As a retired professional portrait artist, I have to defend Lee, who everyone is taking on. He is totally and completely right. That is one of the goals of the portrait when it is desired by the client.
trouble with artists, they get it wrong, sandi is correct, it is the 2d effect, and if you do not get this, is a good thing you are an artist, best you stick to drawing pictures, and not meddle with facts.
Right, but notr totally nor completely right. If Lee were totally and completely right, the same would hold for statues, but it doesn't. You actually can walk around a statue and get exactly into the subject's line-of-sight (if it had sight). Statues are, as I understand (I'm not very educated on this point), designed to be viewed generally from a certain favorable angle (sculptor's POV), but there can be no illusion of the eyes tracking the viewer in 3D.
I love these old episodes - it's not that Sandi isn't a good host, it's that the guests now are crap compared to the star-studded lineups they used to get. There were just a lot of really talented and funny people around then, and the new up-and-comers are passable at best.
Yes, i like the older ones better too, and my (extended) guestlist would be besides fry and davies, bill bayley, phil jupitus, johny vegas, aisling bae, and i'll add some if i can remember them :)
Sandi is probably the best host there could be apart from Stephen, but she's an excellent guest too. Would love to see the No Such Thing As A Fish crew do an appearance, especially James Harkin, I think they have the perfect humour for it and are obviously very knowledgable too.
The questions and facts were better back then, too. A lot of people blame Sandi for the decline, but it was already going downhill in Stephen's later series
I love him in QI and other panel shows, but I find him hard to understand in his own shows. He needs someone to bounce of of. Or maybe it's just that he leams towards the queens English here.
What bugs me about this episode is the moment when Lee explains the whole 'eyes following you' phenomenon and Sandy takes the piss out of him... His explanation is absolutely spot on, and this is exactly the kind of show where a brilliant explanation should be applauded instead of mocked.
Konrad Pawelec Yes, that was a pretty condescending reaction from Sandi. What Lee said made perfect sense, he just lost momentum and confidence because of the other guests' reactions. The assumption is that he's a kind of chimp they allow into the studio once in a while to do handstands, but who has to shut up if the humans start talking.
The Sprawl Not quite. He started off perfectly fine, its...when he tried to explain it again...he completely lost track of where he was going and i think didn't understand what he was saying himself anymore, Lol.
To be fair, Stephen seemed like he was trying to, maybe not applaud but at least support his description as a "beautiful" analogy. Before he got interrupted by both Sandy and Lee.
"One's mama is of such stupendousness, that she'd rather sit on the television set and watch the couch, than the reverse." A jolly good one on the streets of New York.
Quite. Indeed, one's mama is of such exquisite corpulence as to ensure that one's nieces and nephews shall always have recourse on their birthdays to a bouncy castle, sufficiently capacious for a score and more of their young playfellows.
Gotta credit Lee for tolerating the misdirected condescension and playing along with it. Some comedians get criticised for being overly aggressive/rude/etc., but you can tell when it's just part of the game when they display professionalism appropriately. This instance is a good example. Lee is incredibly quick-witted and talkative but he doesn't lash back, presumably because it wouldn't end well. If it were, for instance, David Mitchell, Lee would probably just get into a comedic row with him because it'd basically be familiar territory. That said, David's not likely to be this misinformed or rude.
@@francaperotti5934 yeah, anyone taking a medicine for a disorder they have would act different without it....? what point are you even trying to make?
Part of it is that they all have a pretty clearly defined 'persona', and Lee Mack's includes coming across as a bit buffoonish, even though he's obviously quite clever. Same reason they make fun of Alan Davies who's probably more generally knowledgeable than anyone else on the show. It's their role to take the 'insults' as part of a joke.
@@WalterLiddy To be a comedian at all I think you have to be quite clever. Even apart from that, Alan Davies is also very knowledgable, he just does his QI job well.
I love how at 13:08, Jimmy laughs at his own little perverted royal joke, no one in the audience or panel seemed to get it. But it was brilliant I reckon! :D
+skvakagud The others are all hoping for a knighthood, so they wont want to be shown laughing at a joke about the Queen sucking Jimmy Carr off in public.
Lee is absolutely right about the eye-thing, that is until Sandi rudely interrupts him. He never got to finish his line of thought, but it's because of the two dimensional nature of a painting. Things like depth, eyes, shadows etc, will be the same for every direction you view it from. Because, unlike a real three dimensional person, it wont change when we change view-point.
Oh ffs it was just a joke and Lee himself agreed when he decided to riff on himself based on what Sandi said. You beta males always feel threatened by every single joke. Whiny fops
@@gd7681 G D hahahaha what are you on. She's a panelist here and it would be FIVE years until she became the host herself. It's two entirely different roles. And dont tell me you actually believe the roles comedians take on TV is reality. Either you're a sheep or a 12yo
Despite the panelists' response, Lee's explanation of the following-eyes effect was spot on. Stephen's comment ("you have to paint the eyes looking straight ahead") is wrong: you have to paint the eyes looking straight to the painter. Which is how most portraits are painted.
bull - stick a bit of paper on your easel, crouch down in one corner, and draw the eyes "looking at you", then stand back, and look again - the eyes are looking straight ahead, they are not looking down at you, where you were painting from. it does not matter where the artist is looking from, any more than where the viewer is looking from.
Came here to say the same thing as I was watching it. Lee's response is extremely impressive, if anything hard to separate from his character, but he's 100% right.
@@INeedANewHandle He's close, but not quite right. Imagine the same effect on a statue. It's impossible in 3D. It's because paintings are 2D. @rewindustry - you are demonstrating the OP's point. Paint eyes as if looking at the painter, and they will always seem to be looking at the viewer. I don't think most portraits are painted that way though.
@@Khobotov I feel the same way. She's a charming, funny, witty and around great presenter in this show, but it's incredibly hard to follow in Stephen Fry's footsteps. He's incredibile! So, the show is still very much enjoyable but just not the same anymore.
I read that there was an attempt to adapt it to the US, but somehow the thing that makes it so enjoyable is the combination of British charm, wit, intelligence and humor that is almost impossible to emulate anywhere else in the world.
@@Ralphieboy Yes! And the fact that the U.S. version would be over-produced, slick and way less spontaneous, even if half of the in this version is somewhat scripted. The Brits just do it better. /;)
@@cozyvamp There's that distinctly British character of being annoyingly pompous yet admirable in cleverness. In the US we're either a brainiac or a dumbass, which are really treated as two kinds of dumbass. We'd have to lure Stephen to the US to make it work. Or another highly respected British actor, like Patrick Stewart - he could pull it off! The panelists could be anybody with talent. I love seeing American comedians do well on QI. But they could never get away with the free-flowing conversation that always risks rubbing people the wrong way here.
You're seeing a 2D image representing a 3D space, within an actual 3D space. Perspective within the illusion of 3D space created by the 2D image always has a fixed point of perspective. Even the curving light analogy kind of works if you're imagining translating the movement of light into the illusion. Lee is probably more right than he's ever been in his life.
He's only got part of the picture. Imagine trying to get the same effect with a statue. You simply can't. In a 2D representation of a 3D object, you get no relative motion when you move around, like you do in a hologram. That locks everything in place. A 2D representation only works from one perspective, but it's not because it's the artist's perspective. It's because it's 2D The artist chooses a perspective, but the 2D medium locks it in.
Interesting to read the outrage about Lee being interrupted. 1. This is the kind of show where people interrupt each other. 2. Being familiar with Lee from many many shows, he's the king of interruption. Of course he's not offended.
I think it's something to do with Sandi constantly commenting on how rude and patronising men are and then behaving exactly the way she apparently hates. Unfortunately her entire schtick these days
@@theyatter In her series as host of QI (N-S?) she has toned that down remarkably. I love her as host. She's definitely played the butt-hurt anti-man feminist in the past (especially in the previous episode!), but I think she's taken a different approach with her new responsibility. There would have been no series O if she hadn't changed.
yup, lee got it right. if you move around the plane of the painting changes in perspective but the image remains the same, if slightly compressed, so it still looks at you.
@@Philrc You're either incredibly ignorant of physics, art, both, or a complete moron. That WAS his point, he was literally explaining it like that, AND that is why, because the painting is always seen from the perspective of the artist, no matter where you stand.
Why are people in the comments so pissed? Sandi made a joke in her usual deadpan fashion. On the show it’s not uncommon to make jokes even though you’re in the wrong with them? It could’ve come from anyone on the panel and I doubt people would’ve made such a fuss over it if someone else had said it.
It's because the others have all been on way more often than him. They're actually discouraged from using the buzzer because it disturbs the continuity of the program. It's supposed to come across more like a conversation than a quiz show
The "gaze" question is not so clear cut, because other studies found the exact opposite. When going through magazines, it were the women who focused on men's bodies, while the men made eye-contact with female faces first.
I have actually seen a lobster that was divided equally in half of colour. One side was red and the other is blue. Some start off blue and then turn red. and some don't completely turn the full colour. Most likely a defect or something. But it was pretty cool to see. It was at the Bonne Bay Marine station in Newfoundland. It was pretty neat to see, don't know if it's still there as it was a few years ago that I vacationed there.
The great thing about doom is that once it happens, you won't be around for it to bother you. So don't sweat it. Just enjoy the hell out of the pending part.
@@R.Daneel I'm gonna go buy a bottle of scotch. Maybe the doom thing will look less menacing. BTW, 2012 was a very bad year for Stephen. He tried to commit suicide that year, presumably much earlier in the year than this was filmed.
I do the happy Queen/sad Queen trick as well, can often get some laughs at the bar if the person never seen it before. Just crease at the eyes/edges of the mouth, and then one in the middle for the nose basically. Can do it with anyone on a bill, provided they're looking more or less in your direction. if you've got some strange bill where the person is looking off to the side, I don't think it'll work. Well... maybe. Given the angle, it might look like the mouth is tipped up in a smile or down in a frown. Interesting, perhaps it WOULD work. In Canada, we've got the Queen on our 20s, and different people on our other bills, so lots of variation. I think Sir John A McDonald, our first Prime Minister is on our 5s, Sir Wilfred Lauier on our 10s, who was Prime Minister during or before WWI, and I know Mackenzie King is on our 50s or 100s and he was our Prime Minister during WWII. The new plastic notes are quite cool; I'm a pretty big guy, 6' tall and having been working out off and on since roughly April 2013, however try as I might, I cannot rip one in half. I could give it my all, but the most I can do is wrinkle the area of which I tried to rip. Amazingly robust. They are, however, not flame nor scissor resistant :P
I just tried it with a US $1, $5, $10, and $20, and they all worked. It's creepy seeing Washington and Lincoln smiling because Washington always refused to smile because he was embarrassed about his teeth, and Lincoln was just so sad all the time (chronic depression). Hamilton worked well on the $10, even though he's looking off to the side quite a bit. Washington was trickiest because it's a much smaller portrait. My $20 has Jackson on the face. I don't know if they've released the Harriet Tubman $20s yet. I'll feel a little less unclean once we get that straightened out.
How funny some say Lee is talking over the others, some that the others are talking over Lee. Its almost if youre opinion of a person influences how you percieve them
+Peter Tæthed: "How funny some say Lee is talking over the others, some that the others are talking over Lee. It's almost if your opinion of a person influences how you perceive them." Great observation. Sandi was rather obnoxious tonite with Lee. Also, her obsession about sexism is tiresome and tedious. Hope she's a better host than she is a player.
About saving somebody by getting on the tracks and push him down so the train doesn't hit you ... Don't try it. It may have worked back then, but trains are different now. They don't have enough of a gap these days. And they have steel brushes ... It won't look pretty
For the record, that "lie flat" thing doesn't work as well with trains here anymore, because there's a hook on the back to clear roadkill or obstacles kicked up onto the track by the train. That hook will super definitely absolutely kill you if it hits you.
The lobster bit is also misleading, while it is true that lobsters do not experience cellular decay like most animals, the act of moulting requires a lot of energy, and eventually a lobster grows to such a size that it cannot get enough energy to sustain another moult so it either dies inside a shell that's too small, or it gets an infection that kills it. So they can kind of live forever, but in practice, they can't and its very likely these super lobsters they were theorizing here never existed.
i think there are similar lobster related question in sandy days as the host. and they said, the rings of its body are the clue of the lobster’s age.... I love old episodes, stephen could make a mundane subject very interesting and triggers dynamic response of his guests.
***** Good to know, none of my thermometers that have both scales go that far low and my outside one only shows Celsius but it goes from -50 to +50 and here is a nice pic that shows how correct you are, apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/classes/met130/notes/chapter2/graphics/tscales.jpg i stand corrected. (never bothered to learn Fahrenheit by heart, I am afraid) For me a good winter day here on the coast is -7 but of course in drier inland climate -20 is not so bad, the coast, of the Baltic and especially that of the North sea is really terrible at sub-zero even a few degrees...Never felt the cold as much in my life as once a windy December day in Amsterdam.
About Rasputin not being killed by being shot, the revolver that was in service at the time was the M1895 Nagant. Shot 7.62x38r, which might sound big, but it's a rather diminutive round. Only a small step up from .32 ACP which is kind of known to be an underpowered cartridge, and quite a bit weaker than 9x19mm. Around 100gr going 1000 ft/s vs roughly 115gr going 1300 ft/s or 147gr going 1000 ft/s. Pistol rounds in general aren't very lethal unless they're well placed, but of course it wouldn't hurt to have a bit more oomph. The later TT33 had a much more potent cartridge with the 7.62x25. Around 95gr going 1400-1600 ft/s if memory serves. It's essentially just a lengthened 9x19mm casing necked down to .31 cal (9mm uses the same sized bullet as .357 Magnum and .38 Special I believe).
***** I never said that the British used the M1895 Nagant. Did Stephen? I can't recall, been a while since I watched the episode. I was simply describing how the Nagant's 7.62x38r cartridge wasn't too powerful, so if the rounds weren't well placed, he could have very easily survived for a few minutes or hours at least. I might also add, it's basically the only mass produced revolver that's capable of being properly silenced, because it creates a gas seal when using the proper 7.62x38r ammunition. As for the British, yeah, they've used the old Webley style revolver for ages. Definitely advantageous over fixed-cylinder designs such as the M1895, or M1873 Colt SAA. Also the double-action trigger pull on the Webley Mk.VI isn't too bad, that's the model famously used in WWI. Enfield Mk.II was used in WWII if I recall correctly, using a smaller .38 calibre round I think.
yes, I have known about the aye aye for as long as I can remember... it is indeed crazy looking, I can kinda understand why the local people think it can curse you!
Only warships ie Royal Navy fly the union flag from the Jack staff at the front the us navy is easier to note as it’s only the stars and none of the stripes that flies on the jack staff the ensigns been flown at the stern
I've been to Ireland and England there is no discernible difference in their alcohol consumption any Friday night in England looks like projectile vomiting is the national sport
It feels ironic that Rasputin was right about trying to persuade the Czar not to enter the war. Had Russia stayed out they would’ve probably been fine, at least for a little while longer
Egeli Kirk They had an episode on that ^^ A special for outdated facts, apparently 80% of season A is now wrong, and 20% of season K or something :P Science moves fast
this episode shows why i dislike sandy. she only talks to stephen, and when she says anything to another panelist its correcting them. and in lee's case about the painting, lee was spot on with the explanation
What he was trying to say made perfect sense (a 2D image looks the same no matter what angle you view it from). He just explained it _really_ badly. Possibly on purpose, after a bit, because once he got into that long, rambling explanation it was either bore everyone to tears, or turn it into a joke.
That point just isn't true. She talks to the others, laughs at their jokes and doesn't keep correcting them... Methinks your negative opinion of the woman might be clouding your judgement a tad.
@@lethe56 She did and still does occasionally have a rather ferral hatred for anything male though. When they discussed the invention of the chainsaw as a lifesaving device to help women in labour, she was just full of disdain because it was men who invented it. She's also said that when boys found out they played a role in conception, that ruined the world. I like Sandy, but she's really quite an unpleasant manhater at times, and most of the time it doesn't even make any sense. She's fortunately let a lot of that go when she became the host (probably because the producers told her to tone it down a bit). When I first heard her anounced as the host, I was rolling my eyes and convinced the show was going to end up as a soapbox for her irrational anti-male attitudes.
Maybe trains are different across the pond, but in Canada you would still be dead if you tried to lay as flat as possible. Unless your body and head were lower than the rail. The plow sits just above the asphalt at road crossings. Sometimes it scrapes the road too
I literally just watched Series K's Kaleidescope episode where Sandi also mentioned her kayaking trip AND getting trench bottom! Incredible how the universe lines up some times.
I can say something about the life expectancy of "this lobster." It doesn't have a life expectancy; it's an ex lobster. It has ceased to be. Lobsters don't turn red until you boil them...
Giving cyanide inside of desserts LOL they clearly didn't know how it fully worked... Sugar stops cyanide from activating in the right amount and desserts have lots of sugar...
The way Sandi explains stuff just makes me think when they were looking for Stephan s replacement they watched old episodes and thought oh look Sandi already acted like a host she's perfect
13:02 nobody quite got Jimmy's joke about the Queen bowing down. When I see a dog I can honestly say its balls are not the second thing I look at... ... nor are they the first.
Actually, all letters were pronounced in old and middle English; that's why we have all sorts of silent letters in modern English spelling. So, in "the olde pork pie shoppe", olde and shoppe would have had 2 syllables. Further, pie would have been pronounced /pee-a/, that is, before the Great Vowel Shift that took place between 1400 and 1700. Just saying, . . .
I rewatch the series quite often, especially to fall asleep so I often miss parts, and 33:50 is the first time I heard a clarkson for Sandi :D a miracle!
Interesting dynamic. Sandy is basically Stephen. Lee is his atatus opposite. Alan is his intelligent opposite. And Jimmy is just a pervert with a funny laugh..
"Separate the men from the boys" is an English idiom that means "tell the capable people from the useless", but Stephen's joke hinges on using "separate" in a literal sense.
@@jgt_ his parents are irish, he was born and raised in England. While one may argue he is of irish heritage and therefore irish, he is as english as they get.
I think the average top speed of newly built aircraft also went up by a significant amount during WWII. Wouldn't surprise me if that also was in the order of 57%. Speaking of WWII: if you're interested in people who survived a lot, look up Alan Deere. Dude scrapped more Spitfires than most Germans did.
As a retired professional portrait artist, I have to defend Lee, who everyone is taking on. He is totally and completely right. That is one of the goals of the portrait when it is desired by the client.
Bev B. I got him . I don't understand why they brushed him off
It also made sense with Physics. His bent telescope analogy was on point.
It's because of Lee's implausible delivery. Sandi added the 2 dimensionality aspect.
trouble with artists, they get it wrong, sandi is correct, it is the 2d effect, and if you do not get this, is a good thing you are an artist, best you stick to drawing pictures, and not meddle with facts.
Right, but notr totally nor completely right. If Lee were totally and completely right, the same would hold for statues, but it doesn't. You actually can walk around a statue and get exactly into the subject's line-of-sight (if it had sight). Statues are, as I understand (I'm not very educated on this point), designed to be viewed generally from a certain favorable angle (sculptor's POV), but there can be no illusion of the eyes tracking the viewer in 3D.
Every episode where Sandi appears as a panellist rather than the host now seems like she’s working on her internship.
I too rewatch from the beginning often to watch the evolution and have done a Randy scandi marathon. Always hilarious.
I love these old episodes - it's not that Sandi isn't a good host, it's that the guests now are crap compared to the star-studded lineups they used to get. There were just a lot of really talented and funny people around then, and the new up-and-comers are passable at best.
Yes, i like the older ones better too, and my (extended) guestlist would be besides fry and davies, bill bayley, phil jupitus, johny vegas, aisling bae, and i'll add some if i can remember them :)
Sandi is probably the best host there could be apart from Stephen, but she's an excellent guest too. Would love to see the No Such Thing As A Fish crew do an appearance, especially James Harkin, I think they have the perfect humour for it and are obviously very knowledgable too.
The questions and facts were better back then, too. A lot of people blame Sandi for the decline, but it was already going downhill in Stephen's later series
But at least they're woke leftists who agree with everything Sandi says, so there's that.
If i had Lee Mack’s sense of humor, I would never stop talking
he does not
I know right, I wouldn't either. Guy is fantastic!
This is clearly Lee Macks burner account
I love him in QI and other panel shows, but I find him hard to understand in his own shows. He needs someone to bounce of of. Or maybe it's just that he leams towards the queens English here.
@@Ludifant There are a lot of comedians who seem to work better on panel shows than they do in standup.
What bugs me about this episode is the moment when Lee explains the whole 'eyes following you' phenomenon and Sandy takes the piss out of him... His explanation is absolutely spot on, and this is exactly the kind of show where a brilliant explanation should be applauded instead of mocked.
Konrad Pawelec Yes, that was a pretty condescending reaction from Sandi. What Lee said made perfect sense, he just lost momentum and confidence because of the other guests' reactions. The assumption is that he's a kind of chimp they allow into the studio once in a while to do handstands, but who has to shut up if the humans start talking.
The Sprawl Not quite. He started off perfectly fine, its...when he tried to explain it again...he completely lost track of where he was going and i think didn't understand what he was saying himself anymore, Lol.
nope, he just lost momentum and confidence because of the other guests' reactions. , then, to not seem a poor sport, joined in.
To be fair, Stephen seemed like he was trying to, maybe not applaud but at least support his description as a "beautiful" analogy. Before he got interrupted by both Sandy and Lee.
Yet they hired her to be host. Wish Stephen would come back to it, these were the best episodes.
I think Sandi didn't understand the painting question because what Lee said made sense.
Mark Halton I thought we didn't know who it was. I am surprised it's her though, I would have guessed it was Brandreth or something.
Mark Halton I don't even know what the Hay festival is lol. I'm not British.
SilverEye Lol, you're not, lol, Brit-lol-ish? I hope this has been helpful because I'm here to serve. ~~~~~~~~~~~Lol to you too.
SilverEye Yes you did and I'm sorry.
ameagher2 Did you just admit being wrong on the Internet? Whats more, on UA-cam? Is this real life?
"One's mama is of such stupendousness, that she'd rather sit on the television set and watch the couch, than the reverse." A jolly good one on the streets of New York.
Quite. Indeed, one's mama is of such exquisite corpulence as to ensure that one's nieces and nephews shall always have recourse on their birthdays to a bouncy castle, sufficiently capacious for a score and more of their young playfellows.
Gotta credit Lee for tolerating the misdirected condescension and playing along with it.
Some comedians get criticised for being overly aggressive/rude/etc., but you can tell when it's just part of the game when they display professionalism appropriately.
This instance is a good example. Lee is incredibly quick-witted and talkative but he doesn't lash back, presumably because it wouldn't end well. If it were, for instance, David Mitchell, Lee would probably just get into a comedic row with him because it'd basically be familiar territory. That said, David's not likely to be this misinformed or rude.
If he wasn't taking ritalin to control his ADHD his reaction would probably be very different.
@@francaperotti5934 yeah, anyone taking a medicine for a disorder they have would act different without it....? what point are you even trying to make?
Part of it is that they all have a pretty clearly defined 'persona', and Lee Mack's includes coming across as a bit buffoonish, even though he's obviously quite clever. Same reason they make fun of Alan Davies who's probably more generally knowledgeable than anyone else on the show. It's their role to take the 'insults' as part of a joke.
Franca Perotti at least Lee is intelligent and funny........
@@WalterLiddy To be a comedian at all I think you have to be quite clever. Even apart from that, Alan Davies is also very knowledgable, he just does his QI job well.
I love how at 13:08, Jimmy laughs at his own little perverted royal joke, no one in the audience or panel seemed to get it. But it was brilliant I reckon! :D
+skvakagud The others are all hoping for a knighthood, so they wont want to be shown laughing at a joke about the Queen sucking Jimmy Carr off in public.
Lee is absolutely right about the eye-thing, that is until Sandi rudely interrupts him. He never got to finish his line of thought, but it's because of the two dimensional nature of a painting. Things like depth, eyes, shadows etc, will be the same for every direction you view it from. Because, unlike a real three dimensional person, it wont change when we change view-point.
Spot on! The shapes on the face, shadows etc. look like they do when a person is looking right at us, so our brain perceives that as being the case.
Sandi knows a lot but she’s pretty stupid when it comes to thinking logically about sciencey things.
Oh ffs it was just a joke and Lee himself agreed when he decided to riff on himself based on what Sandi said.
You beta males always feel threatened by every single joke. Whiny fops
Ghelma - Nah, as the host of QI, she should be encouraging insightful/knowledgable contributions, but she was too stupid to recognize it.
@@gd7681 G D hahahaha what are you on. She's a panelist here and it would be FIVE years until she became the host herself. It's two entirely different roles. And dont tell me you actually believe the roles comedians take on TV is reality. Either you're a sheep or a 12yo
Despite the panelists' response, Lee's explanation of the following-eyes effect was spot on. Stephen's comment ("you have to paint the eyes looking straight ahead") is wrong: you have to paint the eyes looking straight to the painter. Which is how most portraits are painted.
bull - stick a bit of paper on your easel, crouch down in one corner, and draw the eyes "looking at you", then stand back, and look again - the eyes are looking straight ahead, they are not looking down at you, where you were painting from. it does not matter where the artist is looking from, any more than where the viewer is looking from.
Came here to say the same thing as I was watching it. Lee's response is extremely impressive, if anything hard to separate from his character, but he's 100% right.
@@INeedANewHandle try it, and see.
@@INeedANewHandle He's close, but not quite right. Imagine the same effect on a statue. It's impossible in 3D. It's because paintings are 2D. @rewindustry - you are demonstrating the OP's point. Paint eyes as if looking at the painter, and they will always seem to be looking at the viewer. I don't think most portraits are painted that way though.
Lee is right wtf? I feel sorry for him being patronised like that
Sandi is often patronising in my opinion.
I'm only a minute in and have my expectations through the roof with this panel
QI isn't the same without Stephen Fry
Sandi has done a wonderful job, in my opinion. I enjoy the show as much with her as I did with Stephen Fry
@@ProfRonconi Didn't say she's doing a bad job. I just really enjoyed the show with Stephen Fry.
@@Khobotov I feel the same way. She's a charming, funny, witty and around great presenter in this show, but it's incredibly hard to follow in Stephen Fry's footsteps. He's incredibile! So, the show is still very much enjoyable but just not the same anymore.
l love Stephen Fry but was never aware of this show, probably because I'm in the U.S. So glad to have found it on UA-cam! Thanks
I read that there was an attempt to adapt it to the US, but somehow the thing that makes it so enjoyable is the combination of British charm, wit, intelligence and humor that is almost impossible to emulate anywhere else in the world.
@@Ralphieboy Yes! And the fact that the U.S. version would be over-produced, slick and way less spontaneous, even if half of the in this version is somewhat scripted. The Brits just do it better. /;)
@@cozyvamp There's that distinctly British character of being annoyingly pompous yet admirable in cleverness. In the US we're either a brainiac or a dumbass, which are really treated as two kinds of dumbass. We'd have to lure Stephen to the US to make it work. Or another highly respected British actor, like Patrick Stewart - he could pull it off! The panelists could be anybody with talent. I love seeing American comedians do well on QI. But they could never get away with the free-flowing conversation that always risks rubbing people the wrong way here.
You're seeing a 2D image representing a 3D space, within an actual 3D space. Perspective within the illusion of 3D space created by the 2D image always has a fixed point of perspective. Even the curving light analogy kind of works if you're imagining translating the movement of light into the illusion. Lee is probably more right than he's ever been in his life.
He's only got part of the picture. Imagine trying to get the same effect with a statue. You simply can't. In a 2D representation of a 3D object, you get no relative motion when you move around, like you do in a hologram. That locks everything in place. A 2D representation only works from one perspective, but it's not because it's the artist's perspective. It's because it's 2D The artist chooses a perspective, but the 2D medium locks it in.
Interesting to read the outrage about Lee being interrupted. 1. This is the kind of show where people interrupt each other. 2. Being familiar with Lee from many many shows, he's the king of interruption.
Of course he's not offended.
Also he is a bit of an asshole
I think it's something to do with Sandi constantly commenting on how rude and patronising men are and then behaving exactly the way she apparently hates. Unfortunately her entire schtick these days
@@axellundgren6151 Envy mate, don't let it get the best of you.
@@theyatter In her series as host of QI (N-S?) she has toned that down remarkably. I love her as host. She's definitely played the butt-hurt anti-man feminist in the past (especially in the previous episode!), but I think she's taken a different approach with her new responsibility. There would have been no series O if she hadn't changed.
yup, lee got it right. if you move around the plane of the painting changes in perspective but the image remains the same, if slightly compressed, so it still looks at you.
That wasn't the point. It wasn't even Lee's point. ..
@@Philrc That was EXACTLY his point...!
@@MichaelBerthelsen I'm afraid it wasn't. Sorry. .and that isn't why paintings seem to look at you either.
@@Philrc You're either incredibly ignorant of physics, art, both, or a complete moron. That WAS his point, he was literally explaining it like that, AND that is why, because the painting is always seen from the perspective of the artist, no matter where you stand.
@@MichaelBerthelsen you stupid little twat. who do you think you are talking to you prat?
'Have you ever seen a blue lobster?' - My wife and I have seen two, at once!
That sounds like a euphemism.
Ah ... Lee Mack, and he's even better on WILTY!
The funny thing is I was actually more familiar with the aye-aye than the sloth. Thank you Bogleech for that.
The friendly Jackal tip is good to know, but if one ever approached me, I would absolutely pet it
Lee is so fun. Honestly think he's one of the smartest comedians out there right now, he just does an act of being working class, anti-education
Why are people in the comments so pissed? Sandi made a joke in her usual deadpan fashion. On the show it’s not uncommon to make jokes even though you’re in the wrong with them? It could’ve come from anyone on the panel and I doubt people would’ve made such a fuss over it if someone else had said it.
More that she contradicted Lee rather rudely, even though he was actually right.
lee mack seems to be the only one in the show to get the concept of a buzzer
It's because the others have all been on way more often than him.
They're actually discouraged from using the buzzer because it disturbs the continuity of the program.
It's supposed to come across more like a conversation than a quiz show
Lees theory about the painting was very intelligent, i totaly agree
It wasn't THAT strange that Durable Maloy survived being left naked in the snow..
... after all, they had filled him with anti-freeze first.
The "gaze" question is not so clear cut, because other studies found the exact opposite. When going through magazines, it were the women who focused on men's bodies, while the men made eye-contact with female faces first.
It sounded like bolox when I heard it. There was a picture of a dog just after and I definitely didn't look at its dick.
I have actually seen a lobster that was divided equally in half of colour. One side was red and the other is blue. Some start off blue and then turn red. and some don't completely turn the full colour. Most likely a defect or something. But it was pretty cool to see. It was at the Bonne Bay Marine station in Newfoundland. It was pretty neat to see, don't know if it's still there as it was a few years ago that I vacationed there.
It just had escaped the pot half way in
Stephen and Alan look younger here than last series, it makes me feel a bit better about my own impending doom.
The great thing about doom is that once it happens, you won't be around for it to bother you. So don't sweat it. Just enjoy the hell out of the pending part.
@@R.Daneel I'm gonna go buy a bottle of scotch. Maybe the doom thing will look less menacing.
BTW, 2012 was a very bad year for Stephen. He tried to commit suicide that year, presumably much earlier in the year than this was filmed.
What a line up
I do the happy Queen/sad Queen trick as well, can often get some laughs at the bar if the person never seen it before. Just crease at the eyes/edges of the mouth, and then one in the middle for the nose basically. Can do it with anyone on a bill, provided they're looking more or less in your direction. if you've got some strange bill where the person is looking off to the side, I don't think it'll work. Well... maybe. Given the angle, it might look like the mouth is tipped up in a smile or down in a frown. Interesting, perhaps it WOULD work.
In Canada, we've got the Queen on our 20s, and different people on our other bills, so lots of variation. I think Sir John A McDonald, our first Prime Minister is on our 5s, Sir Wilfred Lauier on our 10s, who was Prime Minister during or before WWI, and I know Mackenzie King is on our 50s or 100s and he was our Prime Minister during WWII. The new plastic notes are quite cool; I'm a pretty big guy, 6' tall and having been working out off and on since roughly April 2013, however try as I might, I cannot rip one in half. I could give it my all, but the most I can do is wrinkle the area of which I tried to rip. Amazingly robust. They are, however, not flame nor scissor resistant :P
I just tried it with a US $1, $5, $10, and $20, and they all worked. It's creepy seeing Washington and Lincoln smiling because Washington always refused to smile because he was embarrassed about his teeth, and Lincoln was just so sad all the time (chronic depression). Hamilton worked well on the $10, even though he's looking off to the side quite a bit. Washington was trickiest because it's a much smaller portrait. My $20 has Jackson on the face. I don't know if they've released the Harriet Tubman $20s yet. I'll feel a little less unclean once we get that straightened out.
I love that Lee refuses to be condescended to and bounces it back. Stephen was clawing back control!
How funny some say Lee is talking over the others, some that the others are talking over Lee. Its almost if youre opinion of a person influences how you percieve them
+Peter Tæthed: "How funny some say Lee is talking over the others, some that the others are talking over Lee. It's almost if your opinion of a person influences how you perceive them."
Great observation. Sandi was rather obnoxious tonite with Lee. Also, her obsession about sexism is tiresome and tedious. Hope she's a better host than she is a player.
+Jui B1966 Expecting her to be even higher on her little soap-box. It's cute, in an annoying sort of way.
Peter Tøth ssss swewwwwwwwwwwwwwwswwwwwwsww
@@juib4294
She actually is!
As much as I've still would like to have Fry there, I'm glad she's the host and can't be on the panel anymore.
Almost? The effect is called "priming", which I suspect you know, but you want somebody else to say it. Ok, I'll bite.
About saving somebody by getting on the tracks and push him down so the train doesn't hit you ...
Don't try it. It may have worked back then, but trains are different now. They don't have enough of a gap these days.
And they have steel brushes ... It won't look pretty
For the record, that "lie flat" thing doesn't work as well with trains here anymore, because there's a hook on the back to clear roadkill or obstacles kicked up onto the track by the train.
That hook will super definitely absolutely kill you if it hits you.
Also, current consensus on Rasputin's death is: hypothermia/hypothermic shock.
In northern Australia, where there can be crocs in both the rivers and in the water at the beach, we’d send the dogs in for a swim first 🐕🐊
The lobster bit is also misleading, while it is true that lobsters do not experience cellular decay like most animals, the act of moulting requires a lot of energy, and eventually a lobster grows to such a size that it cannot get enough energy to sustain another moult so it either dies inside a shell that's too small, or it gets an infection that kills it. So they can kind of live forever, but in practice, they can't and its very likely these super lobsters they were theorizing here never existed.
i think there are similar lobster related question in sandy days as the host.
and they said, the rings of its body are the clue of the lobster’s age....
I love old episodes, stephen could make a mundane subject very interesting and triggers dynamic response of his guests.
As a Canadian who just came out of a -40 snap, may I please say Mr. Fry, -20 is not cold. That is a good winter day
Celsius or Fahrenheit? One never knows with English speaking of which many still adhere to ye olde mesurements of past days.
***** Good to know, none of my thermometers that have both scales go that far low and my outside one only shows Celsius but it goes from -50 to +50 and here is a nice pic that shows how correct you are,
apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/classes/met130/notes/chapter2/graphics/tscales.jpg
i stand corrected. (never bothered to learn Fahrenheit by heart, I am afraid) For me a good winter day here on the coast is -7 but of course in drier inland climate -20 is not so bad, the coast, of the Baltic and especially that of the North sea is really terrible at sub-zero even a few degrees...Never felt the cold as much in my life as once a windy December day in Amsterdam.
***** and I have a measly 7+ today so all the snow is melting here north of Stockholm, Sweden.
ah yes but it's not CEILING'
Hilarious as always but that bit about the dogs and crocodiles was devastating :'(
About Rasputin not being killed by being shot, the revolver that was in service at the time was the M1895 Nagant. Shot 7.62x38r, which might sound big, but it's a rather diminutive round. Only a small step up from .32 ACP which is kind of known to be an underpowered cartridge, and quite a bit weaker than 9x19mm. Around 100gr going 1000 ft/s vs roughly 115gr going 1300 ft/s or 147gr going 1000 ft/s. Pistol rounds in general aren't very lethal unless they're well placed, but of course it wouldn't hurt to have a bit more oomph. The later TT33 had a much more potent cartridge with the 7.62x25. Around 95gr going 1400-1600 ft/s if memory serves. It's essentially just a lengthened 9x19mm casing necked down to .31 cal (9mm uses the same sized bullet as .357 Magnum and .38 Special I believe).
***** I never said that the British used the M1895 Nagant. Did Stephen? I can't recall, been a while since I watched the episode. I was simply describing how the Nagant's 7.62x38r cartridge wasn't too powerful, so if the rounds weren't well placed, he could have very easily survived for a few minutes or hours at least. I might also add, it's basically the only mass produced revolver that's capable of being properly silenced, because it creates a gas seal when using the proper 7.62x38r ammunition.
As for the British, yeah, they've used the old Webley style revolver for ages. Definitely advantageous over fixed-cylinder designs such as the M1895, or M1873 Colt SAA. Also the double-action trigger pull on the Webley Mk.VI isn't too bad, that's the model famously used in WWI. Enfield Mk.II was used in WWII if I recall correctly, using a smaller .38 calibre round I think.
Please English subtitles.🙏 English is not my first language and I love QI!
One of the rare occasion that Sandi didn't understand a simple concept
I have never heard of a sloth being called an ai... and I am doing a biology masters... dammit.
Just wondering had you heard of the aye-aye?
What a crazy looking critter.
yes, I have known about the aye aye for as long as I can remember...
it is indeed crazy looking, I can kinda understand why the local people think it can curse you!
You never did any crosswords then I guess?!
the lobster segment really deteriorated at a rapid pace xD poor poor einstein
I just finished eating a peanut butter sandwich seconds before they mentioned the insects in it. And now I have to try to sleep with that knowledge
The Durable Mike Molloy, a Donegal man.
It is the union flag! The Jack is flown on ships.
Only warships ie Royal Navy fly the union flag from the Jack staff at the front the us navy is easier to note as it’s only the stars and none of the stripes that flies on the jack staff the ensigns been flown at the stern
Sandi blew it here.
I've been to Ireland and England there is no discernible difference in their alcohol consumption any Friday night in England looks like projectile vomiting is the national sport
Every country drinks huge amounts of alcohol. Stereotypes are dumb.
It feels ironic that Rasputin was right about trying to persuade the Czar not to enter the war. Had Russia stayed out they would’ve probably been fine, at least for a little while longer
10:11 in a really nice way he is the only one that understand why the monalisa is constantly looking at you...
Must correct something - humans (and all the other vertebrates as well) also have telomerase!
Egeli Kirk They had an episode on that ^^ A special for outdated facts, apparently 80% of season A is now wrong, and 20% of season K or something :P Science moves fast
this episode shows why i dislike sandy. she only talks to stephen, and when she says anything to another panelist its correcting them. and in lee's case about the painting, lee was spot on with the explanation
That's cos she is a lesbone.
What he was trying to say made perfect sense (a 2D image looks the same no matter what angle you view it from). He just explained it _really_ badly. Possibly on purpose, after a bit, because once he got into that long, rambling explanation it was either bore everyone to tears, or turn it into a joke.
Shut up Rob Pegleg
That point just isn't true. She talks to the others, laughs at their jokes and doesn't keep correcting them... Methinks your negative opinion of the woman might be clouding your judgement a tad.
@@lethe56 She did and still does occasionally have a rather ferral hatred for anything male though. When they discussed the invention of the chainsaw as a lifesaving device to help women in labour, she was just full of disdain because it was men who invented it. She's also said that when boys found out they played a role in conception, that ruined the world. I like Sandy, but she's really quite an unpleasant manhater at times, and most of the time it doesn't even make any sense.
She's fortunately let a lot of that go when she became the host (probably because the producers told her to tone it down a bit). When I first heard her anounced as the host, I was rolling my eyes and convinced the show was going to end up as a soapbox for her irrational anti-male attitudes.
Maybe I missed it, but the first animal "Ai Ai" is certainly a sloth- a 3 toed sloth, Bradypus.
I so want Alan!!!!
Thisvis one of the best episodes.
Maybe trains are different across the pond, but in Canada you would still be dead if you tried to lay as flat as possible. Unless your body and head were lower than the rail. The plow sits just above the asphalt at road crossings. Sometimes it scrapes the road too
Oh, Lee... Gremlins don't turn into the evil ones when they get wet. They turn if they eat after midnight. Getting them wet makes them multiply.
I literally just watched Series K's Kaleidescope episode where Sandi also mentioned her kayaking trip AND getting trench bottom! Incredible how the universe lines up some times.
All the clips I watched with Sandi, she always mentioned that trip.
Indeed "The hilarious Alan Davies".
lee is the best.
With modern trains lying on the rails flat will leave you minced.
10:12 no Sandi, YOU haven't fully understood it.
The thing with the face of Einstein, around 11:00.. Has anyone ever tried that with the face of cat, dog or another species?
I'd guess it would work with any common three-dimensional image, just not with something abstract the brain can't easily define.
Not sure. It may only work with faces which we are pre-programmed to recognise.
I can say something about the life expectancy of "this lobster." It doesn't have a life expectancy; it's an ex lobster. It has ceased to be. Lobsters don't turn red until you boil them...
maclypse ...and then you watch the rest and go "oh? there's actually red ones in nature? Dear me." Lol.
What was that about the Queen and the horse? Could anyone elaborate please?
11:44 If we're looking at the concave image, how is it casting a shadow on the left? Ow, brain cramp.
Ive seen two aye-ayes before ^^ there my favourite
Giving cyanide inside of desserts LOL they clearly didn't know how it fully worked... Sugar stops cyanide from activating in the right amount and desserts have lots of sugar...
Whenever Stephen gves up the show, i think Sandi would do it quite well
In a nice way, Sandi, you didn't understand it.
I'd heard of the lemur, but not the sloth.
The way Sandi explains stuff just makes me think when they were looking for Stephan s replacement they watched old episodes and thought oh look Sandi already acted like a host she's perfect
13:02 nobody quite got Jimmy's joke about the Queen bowing down.
When I see a dog I can honestly say its balls are not the second thing I look at...
... nor are they the first.
lee is so good. love him.
Actually, all letters were pronounced in old and middle English; that's why we have all sorts of silent letters in modern English spelling. So, in "the olde pork pie shoppe", olde and shoppe would have had 2 syllables. Further, pie would have been pronounced /pee-a/, that is, before the Great Vowel Shift that took place between 1400 and 1700. Just saying, . . .
I'd say it's Sandi and Stephen that didn't understand it. They just assume they're the smartest on the panel so condescend to the other panellists.
At 30:33 Stephen makes a mistake: it is Drosophila, not Drosophilia.
38:26 Don't mention ze waaar, Lee!
Thats Alan that says 'NOBODY KNOWS' at the start is it ?
Funny crowbar joke
It went right over my head. Lol
Why is it turning clockwize when facing outwards, but counter-clockwize when inwards??? (The Einstein model. 11 minutes in)
Actually it isn't that's just another part of the optical illusion
What about cochineal, commonly used for red food colouring? it's made out of beatles.
But two of the Beatles have been dead for years; did you mean beetles...?
I rewatch the series quite often, especially to fall asleep so I often miss parts, and 33:50 is the first time I heard a clarkson for Sandi :D
a miracle!
Lol clarkson
Lee understood perfectly. Sandy didn't. She's such a bloody snob.
Agreed, she's a snooty old cow.
If you were going to P on Einstein, it would be equal to mv*(1-(v/c)^2)^-0.5
Silly Stephen.
23:11 family quarrel.
Took Jimmy Carr a while for a come back to Lee Mack's quick wit.
he's one of a very small number of people that can even come close to lee mack's wit.
Interesting dynamic. Sandy is basically Stephen. Lee is his atatus opposite. Alan is his intelligent opposite. And Jimmy is just a pervert with a funny laugh..
5:15 battle of the titans
And Johnny Vegas was not on?! Sweet relief!
31:35 Anyone have an idea why Sandi and Jimmy are blacked out?
How do they separate the men from the boys in the Navy? With a crowbar.
I don't get this joke. Anyone wanna explain it to me?
Hahaha! Men are screwing the boys, so in order to separate them you would have to resort to force. Much as you would with dogs.
"Separate the men from the boys" is an English idiom that means "tell the capable people from the useless", but Stephen's joke hinges on using "separate" in a literal sense.
Thanks guys.
It seems in Europe horse meat is allowable as replacement for all meat or fish products I'd rather have the pasteurized peanut butter
lol, that joke didn't age well
32:54 The take Lee does when Stephen dismisses his joke :D
is it just me or does that irishman sound like peter griffin?
what irishman?
yesitsvish Probably lee's imitation of an irishman at 28 mins. No it doesnt btw :P
@@jgt_ his parents are irish, he was born and raised in England. While one may argue he is of irish heritage and therefore irish, he is as english as they get.
@@jgt_ well, i stand corrected then .
I think the average top speed of newly built aircraft also went up by a significant amount during WWII. Wouldn't surprise me if that also was in the order of 57%.
Speaking of WWII: if you're interested in people who survived a lot, look up Alan Deere. Dude scrapped more Spitfires than most Germans did.