SUR-RON + Nucular Controller • AUTO-SETUP (super easy)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
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So much POWEEEEEEEEERRRR ohhh yeeeaaahhh!!!! - Наука та технологія
Thanks Bruno, love your work and super generous of you to make these videos with your insane schedule, all the best!
Yeeeeeeaaahhh... thaaanks mate... I just really love to spread the word and share good stuff with you guys... I’ve been playing with Nucular for about 5 months and it’s just amazingly brilliant!!!! Soon they’ll be releasing their BMS so it will be a complete all in one solution (motor controller + display + BMS + charging controls). Such integration you only see from big brands, amazing to see all that now available for DIYers like us ohhhh yeaaahhh =]
AWESOME!!! Thank you for the video!!
Hahaaaaa thanks for coming here and checking it out haha... yeah more Surron stuff coming... =]
I have pre-ordered a bunch of their stuff after I saw it here. Cant wait for it to show up..!!
Yeeeaaahh tell Vasiliy that you found out about Nucular because my videos so he know BrunoPOWEEER is helping him (I don’t get any money or commission) I’m just spreading the word showing good tech to people =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER Done! :)
Very useful!!
Yeaaahh I hope this video helps a lot of people out there looking for a very user friendly controller that is a true plug and play upgrade for the Surron or any other bike/motorcycle =]
Ohooo getting more RPM too as like you said and more torque too like i said 😎🤟
Niiiiiiiiiicee! Thanks for always sharing cool videos, these Nucular controller are pretty awesome
Hahaaaa that was just a super quick video, I’ll post more details about this controller and some test rides haha ohh yeaahh
hi bud looking forward to some new videos ;)
Have you had the chance to record its full range with the stock battery? With BMS, how will the range be affected? Thanks ;)
Does the motor gets hot if we add friction?
Hello. I have a segway that I barely use. Can I use the batteries from it onto an e bike?
That was easy 🏍
Yeaahhh Nucular is making life much much simpler... even the wiring came all the perfect length for the Surron... ohh yeah
@@BrunoPOWEEER if I have a 200 amp alternator that gives 72 volts at 4000rpm can I use it as a motor and feed it 200 amps at 72V??
It should spin at 4000rpm and give 14KW right??
Which controller is better the nuclear controller or ASI?
POWWAHH!!! Yeah!! 😎😀
Sooo much POWEEEEEEEERRR Ohhh yeaahhh ohhh yeaahh hahaaa =]
Link for the rear fender ?
Where did you get the controller, I can’t find any In stock I don’t mind what controller it is as long as it’s upgraded lol.
Need to pre-order from Nucular website, I think you don’t pay anything you just add your name to the list. Hurry up and put your name there, the list is growing faster than they can deliver... Dan Orlov will have some Nucular coming to his website soon www.surronshop.com/ and he also sells the Sintech which is the bigger controller very similar
Hello, I wrote you on Facebook but just got an automated reply. Can you tell me how to programming the voltage and amperage of an Ermerson R48-2000e3 rectifier?
So I have pre ordered everything I believe that I need from the Nucular website concerning the 24 controller. I just wanted to know if it will work on my stock Sur Ron X without having to bypass the bms on the stock battery? Thanks in advance BrunoPOWEEER.
Could you post everything you ordered from the web site. Orlave sells the complete package but on the Nucular web site there is so much stuff I am not sure what to order besides the controller and the computer.
@@LarryRichelli I could not wait any longer and ordered an ASI BAC controller instead.
Hello im from the u.k and iv put my order in for the Thermo nuclear 24f and a controller. My question - is it easy to install them both ? Im new to electric and dont know a thing about it but im good with my hands i rebuild my dirtbikes myself. Is it just the matter of removing the old and putting the new in its place is it all straight forward? Or do i need to get help from somewhere? Any advice will be greatly appreciated thankyou i love your vids
Yeaaahh then this Nucular controller will be your best option! Anything else will be too advanced and geek stuff... I’ll be uploading more videos showing the wiring, also super simple, nearly impossible to stuff up, all connectors are ready plug and play
@@BrunoPOWEEER thanks for reply the video will be a great help
@@BrunoPOWEEER Hey Bruno! Thanks for your time to make videos and answer here! I'm just like DirtyBoxer, new to electronics! You mentioned you'd upload wiring videos, any news on that? Would be highly appreciated! Thanks!
Anyone help me out I’ve got a N24F controller on my Sur Ron and my Speedo is way way out it’s either too slow or too fast or as I think I’ve got it bang on when I wind on its speeding up silly fast or slow anyone got one and can help me
Ohhh Yeahhh!!!!!!!!
Pls upload another video like electric r1 modified
How would you rate this against the BAC8000 in terms of power and use?
The BAC Controllers are not user accessible right? So you'd need to buy the OEM kits which are very expensive just to be able to set up the controller for your motors.
is there any extra safety features? so much torque is pretty dangerous when you're not on it.
It reminds me of the first times I build a racequad copter, when the pid controller is configured wrong the motors correct with 100% force making human salad in the proces.
Yeah, lots of safety features, this is made in Russia so they ride on snowy slippery roads and you can set maximum acceleration I think RPM increase per second. It works out like traction control so if the controller detects that it’s accelerating too fast it will limit torque/current. This is just one of the features, Nucular is constantly improving, new firmware etc... and you can chat to the engineer in their Telegram App group. Awesome stuff =]
That was easy!!!!
Haha yeah I think it can’t get any easier than that hey... it pretty much tells u what to do =]
its drawing 62V 40Amps only on stand with full throttle and no load ?
My 42kW trike would drain a LOT more on the bench. I think this is the maximum you’ll get with no load. If you just spin the motor on the bench without all that rotating mass would be way less current.
@@BrunoPOWEEER 2,4kW is quite a lot for drivetrain lossses, pretty unefficiency, I thing its losses in motor and controller, and mechanical losses is under 500W at this speed. Can u please take of chain/belt from motor, to test only losses on motor and ESC ? I'm interested in it, so i can compare it to my ebike with custom motor and esc...
Thanks
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Also how does this compare to or work with the Sin Tech?
Sintech is more powerful will handle big motors better but Nucular on the other hand is much smaller and easier to install (hardware and software). They’re both good but Nucular has a complete package, soon they’ll be releasing a BMS so the whole electrical will be all in one integrated system which is the ideal world everyone wants! =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER Thanks. Am I going to have a lot of problems with my BAC8000/NXT display? It's supposed to arrive next week.
Troy Muni good question... some people love and some people hate saying that it doesn’t work blablabla but yeah mixed opinions. To be fair, it’s pretty hard to make something that works for everyone specially when it comes to DIY stuff. Please let know how you go with yours =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER Thanks man, I will...still waiting on it. I think they're just waiting on the case to arrive before they ship everything. I really have no idea what to expect though, so was trying to get an idea what these "problems" really are. I haven't seen any material issues documented online, just one person mentioned it general in a video. Just considering how minimal community support is for this bike when it comes to details, nothing would surprise me. I had an easier time finding info to build a 1,000rwhp sports car than I'm having gathering info to mod this bike.
was that with a completely stock sur-on battery?
Yes, it’s the stock Surron battery BUT this one I modified bypassing the BMS. The Surron BMS can only handle 92.5A continuously and bypassing can nicely handle 110A discharge. Can do a bit more but then it will start sagging and getting too warm and shorten pack life. Charging still connected to the BMS so all safety still there. There is also the Surron circuit breaker protecting the discharge side from any crazy short. Controller needs to be set to proper Low voltage cut off since the BMS is not able to cut power anymore.
@@BrunoPOWEEER How much more power over the stock xcontroller with just the bms bypass and the Nucular controller? and how much power can the surron motor safely do with a better battery?. Thanks. moooore power yeeeeeaaah!
brett20000000009 difference in wattage isn’t that much on paper BUT.... monster difference on the road with just these two upgrades, goes from mild moped performance (stock bike) to at least 35% faster acceleration and top speed, more like a motorcycle performance. Totally worth doing it. I found myself quickly reaching 84kmh in town in a 60kmh zone all the time. Battery upgrade to 72v that can handle big power will cost $$$$$ only if you reeeeeally feel the need for more POWEEEEERR but yeah motor is your next bottleneck.
@@BrunoPOWEEER thanks for the reply :) i feel like my stock surron power is decent but could
use some extra torque.
Yeah the stock setup is awesome, sometimes feels a bit too mild but apart from that it’s an awesome bike. Yeah fitting a new controller you can tune the bike for your style, definitely get a greater acceleration
What's better, the nuclear controller or bac 8000?
For Surron, you can’t really make a full use of the BAC8000 (even if you want) so BAC4000 is more realistic and that is the same power as the Nucular. Put this way, lots of Nucular users have an ASI and switched to Nucular for many reasons, amazing display and super easy user interface, smaller, black, easier to mount to any bike/moto, true plug and play solution from manufacturer comes with Surron connectors ready to go, technical support is flawless they have a group chat on Telegram App, you drop your question and nearly instantly someone will be replying to you, often Vasiliy the Nucular engineer. This is something you don’t get from other brands. Also because Vasiliy has this close relationship with his customers he’s constantly improving the software, hardware etc. It’s about 3 months wait to get your controller but every Nucular user I know says it’s totally worth and often they go back and buy one or few controllers to convert all their other bikes to Nucular too. This is not even my opinion this is what I see happening out there =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER is there a reliable motor that I can upgrade to in order to get more out of the nuclear 24f?
Don’t worry about motor now... the next bottleneck is the battery, believe me this is the biggest bottleneck after controller upgrade, people are pumping ~17kW or more into this Surron motor... the controller is monitoring the motor temperature so if it gets too hot will reduce power until motor cools a bit.
@Empiron yeaaahhh see I’m not making up stuff.. it’s kinda like “once you go Nucular you never go back” hahaha =]
@Empiron Running on a sur ron?
Is the nucular 12f good for the Sur Ron?
Yeaaahh it is more than enough but I think if I was going to buy one just get the bigger model it will run nearly cool the whole time + you can always increase the power later =]
@@BrunoPOWEEER that is an important point because were I live in summer the air temperature can go up to 37 celcius
Yeaaahh same here in Australia... last summer we had many days over 42 Celsius and a few 46 Celsius... last thing you want is a controller that generates a lot of heat haha =] *i don’t think I would be riding anything on a 46 degrees day
Are u Brazilian? What state/city?
@@BrunoPOWEEER sou português do Algarve 😆👍
4-5 month wait time to get one of these. 😭
Need to pre-order from Nucular website, I think you don’t pay anything you just add your name to the list. Hurry up and put your name there, the list is growing faster than they can deliver... Dan Orlov will have some Nucular coming to his website soon www.surronshop.com/ and he also sells the Sintech which is the bigger controller very similar
@@BrunoPOWEEER Thanks for the heads up man! Just pre-ordered the 24F. 😁
Yeaahhh good one!!! I don’t even know why some people get the smaller ones, the bigger model (the one I showed in the video) still super small and sooooooo much more POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh =]
I don't know what to order for sur ron can you help please
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So much POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh =]
what is the max kw u can run on 72v surron?
Ohh stock battery BMS is limited to 92.5A continuous, I did the BMS bypass in this bike so it’s set to 100A (battery) bike feels very very zippy... I’ve seen some people doing 13kW peak... 17kW peak but can’t really get more than that, bike is so lightweight you get moving pretty quickly and current naturally drops... I would say 17kW max but expect more like 13kW depending on battery and voltage sag etc
@@BrunoPOWEEER im running 72v battery with bac8000 15kw, i keep getting cut off and needed to calibrate the motor after getting cut off, not sure its the nxt software or something. really want to try nucular but man the waiting time can take 3-5 months...
Yeah... some people are 3 months... some are 6... but just place an order now, as far as I know they don’t take deposit, they’ll send u an invoice when your controller is ready to be shipped
Lots of Nucular owners had ASI before and they really love Nucular, often go back and buy another one or few for all other bikes... soon they’ll have a BMS integrated to their system all controlled via display. They already have a feature that transforms the controller into a “charger” like you feed a 2000w 48v PSU power supply and it spits out regulated voltage like “regen” to your 72v battery... just like Adaptto used to do as well but this is better more modern version.
Can u operate without the display just the controller?
So I guess if you buy one of these you ideally should also upgrade to a better Sur Ron motor that can handle it?
The motor can actually handle a lot of POWEEEEERR, once you upgrade the controller you only get about 15-20% improvement as you can’t really unleash the full potential, the next bottleneck is the battery. Surron BMS will cut anything over 92.5A continuous, if you bypass the BMS tapping directly to the cells you can use the Surron battery at ~100A, that + Nucular controller will give u about 30% improvement. That number doesn’t sound so big but this is a lightweight motorcycle so it does make a massive difference in acceleration and much greater top speed! Nucular controller is monitoring the motor temperature. If goes too hot it will reduce power until motor cools a bit.
@@BrunoPOWEEER I've got a 72v already and was worried about the motor's ability to handle heat.
SO MUCH EASY HAHA
Hahaaaa yeaaahhh life should be super easy hey!! Hahahaa soooo much POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh =]
hey bruno, its the guy from brisbane who built the 273 70h v4 134kw bicycle, i have a new project
i want to run 184s 24ah 50c (772.8v) through a 273 40h hubmotor on a 17inch wheel for a bicycle
i am looking at these;
www.elmofo.com.au/ac-motor-controllers.html
i will be buying a yasa400r motor in the future for a mid drive bicycle also and want to use a little higher voltage closer to 800v
i will be using the batrium watchmon4 bms and 1000amp shunt with the longmons i brought from you previously,
i have a question in regards to 400Arms;
im a kelly man, so my understanding is the Arms is on the motor side and not on the battery side and that it is roughly 70% of the sinewave motion,
so 1.25X more would be the peak phase current of the sinewave curve so that would be 500amps phase peak? or is that 500amps phase continuous?
or is this the continuous DC rating and i could see alot more at takeoff?
i know kelly controllers are rated in continuous amps and peak (1min or 10seconds, whatever it takes for the controller to hit thermal overload),
i just need an understanding, as i will need to rewind the 273 40h (i'll be grinding out the winding slots for more copper mass like always) and need to NOT blow up the tiny motor at highspeed,
its going on a custom carbon fiber bmx with 17inch Excel rims, 9g spokes and motorcycle street tires 184s 24ah (4x48s 24ah packs on the frame) controller on the side of the long rear tail
If only you could actually obtain one of these.....
You can but need to get in the waiting list about 3 months sometimes longer but every Nucular owner I know says: “it’s worth waiting, never messing around with anything else”
@@BrunoPOWEEER I am, but summer is gonna end before the thing shows up!
I just want the 96v capability for a qs motor.
Just rode a surron myself. Holy crap. These things are unkillable! Goes straight up mountains.
Yeah, both ASI and Nucular are 72v 20s max... I wish they’re 96v cause anything over 20kW becomes “impractical” at 72v
Yeah the bike is awesome but mild performance... too conservative. This bike on the video I’ve fitted the Nucular for my mate, just that alone was about 15% improvement but then BMS was limiting the potential. Did a BMS bypass and increased the amps... it’s about 35% more responsive, we are talking about a lightweight bike so that 35% makes a massive difference. At the traffic lights in town in a 60kmh zone if you don’t pay attention you look the speedo and you’re doing 84kmh and need to back off...