Cumberbatch barely blinks in this scene. And of course the camera angles and lightning magnifies the effect, but he looks really intimidating when he says "everything". Just awesome.
Oh yea. The way they did all this whole scene was incredible it really makes it truly incredible moment. you can sympathize with him even though you know he is supposed to be a villian
I think perhaps it is because he plays Khan as a colder mechanical less human character whereas Montablans character shows a more human ,learned intellectual who could be ruthless.
Also the one time he conspicuously does blink is to squeeze out a perfectly, PERFECTLY, timed single tear. He was earning the shit out of his pay cheque that day.
I like both Khans, honestly. Montalban's performance worked for an older, more calculating Khan. Cumberbatch's performance, however, feels like he's fresh out of the augment lab he came from, thirsty for blood. Two angles of Khan Noonien Singh, both I find interesting.
It's just these movies with all their EMOTIONS!!! would of course have a bloodthirsty one. For ACTION! and DRAMA! They're good movies, but they're not Star Trek movies.
Yes and Cumberbatch's brilliant performance really helps to make us feel his pain and sincerity, adding to a sense of compassion for this villain. Such a great actor!
This movie was spectacular. Cumberbatch gave an outstanding performance. The hate for this movie is ridiculous. For the record I've been a fan of Star Trek since I was a kid.
And this movie was the first time I got into Star Trek when I first watched it twice when it first released. So Star Trek Into Darkness really has an important part of my personal life.
@@stephenbyrne2170 I just tried staring for as long as he did, only bliking after he did too. My eyes started burning just after the halfway point. Lol.
Thank you! It’s the best out of the trilogy and definitely has a more visceral tone than the other two. And the scene of him taking out the Klingons is just 🤌
@Micah Johansson oh his performance was truly epic. But great work tends to go unnoticed often unappreciated in their time. But its also possible to turn down such awards. Not all like them
For all of Khan's sociopathic and arrogant behavior, he actually does have an Achilles' heel beyond those qualities. He *does* love his crew. We saw it in the Wrath of Khan and we see it here. Small fleeting scenes, but he does show true emotion for them. That's why he had to turn away from Kirk. Sure it may be because he only loves them because they are *his* but it's something. He'll never know true love so he'll take it in whatever form it's given to him; like the Borg Queen needing her Borg.
Out of the three villains in the new Star Trek movies, Benedict Cumberbatch's Khan is definitely the most well-developed. I don't understand why he and this film got such criticisms.
It wasn't because of his performance. The fans were upset because of how JJ marketed the lies about him being Khan, and the fact he was now "white"(it's explained as a section 31 genetic makeover in the canon idw comics, but that doesn't help offset reactions).
I understand what you mean. My father was a diehard Star Trek fan, and I grew up watching the original series, the next generation, etc. He loved the first movie, but hated this one. He thought that this movie did not do anything original. Except modernize, "space seed "and "the wrath of khan ".
While Benedict Cumberbatch channelled a good amount of Sherlock into this version of Khan, I feel like, at least visually, Ben Kingsley may have been closer to the Khan of the original Timeline.
because KAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHN! Wrath of Kahn is such a cult classic that it is VERY hard to not get criticism to kind of remake it in this new Calvin timeline.
Benedict Cumberbatch's Khan has the strength and intellect potentially surpassing Spock but he can be emotional and has leadership qualities like Kirk proven in his past as per what was told. Spock speaks in a logical and scientific manner and Khan mixes that with emotion which makes the lines all the more dangerous and captivating to hear. So Khan is essentially equal to Spock and Kirk both.
In the original Spock is more seasoned so is more of a match for Khan. In this series Spock is great but doesn’t have the experience to counter Khan. Thankfully Spock prime was available to give crucial guidance. Khan is spoken of as a two dimensional thinker iirc. His arrogance proves to be a vulnerable quality as well.
1:50 - The one thing that truly struck me in this scene is his expression after he announced his name. That slight dip with his head in order to more see how his eyes are looking at the screen, you can see his ferocity, eventually saying 'I am deadly and will not hesitate to kill you'. Like a predator...
Cumberbatch really put his acting chops into this scene. The dramatic “hold…most…dear” quote with his dramatic mouth movements was a little over the top.
I gotta be honest here, the entire time I watched this movie, I thought there was no real "bad guy" just several characters doing what they think is best for their people. Khan included.
Kirk and Spock missed an opportunity to defuse Khan a bit by explaining that the officers that were attacked were not a part of Admiral Marcus' plan and that Khan's attack killed the very officers who could have helped him expose Marcus, get his people back, and be free to go colonize a planet and start over. If Khan had realized that his rage led to such a mistake, he might have had that thought in his head later and used more self control in order to avoid making another mistake out of anger.
+Markus Galt Actually in the original series they also had a lot of trouble recognizing Khan from history... which never made much sense to me, but there you go.
David Stahl it is believed that due to world war three and eugenics war before that, that most records from that era were lost plus it is said that Kahn has had surgery to alter his appearance
I think that Kirk and Spock miss several opportunities to defuse Khan. The underlining problem is that Kirk is young and wallowing in his grief and self-pity. Then there is Spock who lacks any ability to think/see beyond logic. The sad thing about the entire situation is that Kirk understands intimately how Khan feels, you can see it when Khan explains his actions. Kirk has the same reactions. It cannot be said for sure that all of the officers that were attacked were not part of Admiral Marcus’ plan. After all, you don’t start something that big without help from ranking people. It can only be said that Pike, Kirk, Spock, and perhaps the other first officers in the room were not a part of the plan. Be that as it may, it might have been possible to defuse Khan by reminding him that he did repay in kind for what he believed Marcus had done to him and his family. Marcus is exposed now, no longer a threat to him, and would pay for what he has done. His family is safe, it may be possible to be free to colonize a planet and start anew, if he is willing to leave in peace. Next, when Kirk, Scotty, and Khan take over the bridge of the Vengeance notice Khan actions. Once the bridge is secured Khan is in back of Kirk, he has a clear shot but he doesn’t take it. Instead his actions are those of one who is deferring to a leader, which in this case is Kirk. Khan keeps a phraser trained on the person he is guarding but he also glances towards Kirk, taking his cues from him. It is hard to say but there might have been a possibility that if Kirk hadn’t order Scotty to stun Khan, Khan may not have attacked. When Khan does attack it is brutal, it is the sort of anger that is seen in one who is betrayed. That so called clever stunt that Spock did with the torpedoes was idiotic to say the least! You watch this man put to the sword an entire squad of Klingons single-handedly to keep Uhura, Kirk, and yourself alive all because you threated his crew who were in the torpedoes, Then you pull a stunt causing him to think that you killed his family by firing the torpedoes, what did you think his reaction was going to be? If he didn’t have reason to hate Star Fleet before, Spock sure as fuck gave him reason to now! Sidenote on that last statement, Khan still believes his crew to be dead. He was knocked out during the fight with Spock and you can be damn sure they kept him out, took what they needed then put him in storage. So as far as he knows, his family is dead.
Into Darkness is extremely split down the middle as far as popularity goes, but I think most agree that, when not being compared to Montelban, Cumberbatch did a good job in the role of Khan.
Tim Hands or we could just say he is a different iteration of khan. James Bond doesn't always have to act or look like Sean Connery, even though he's the original. So why should khan always have to act or be like montelban?
BaldManLogan Maybe, perhaps it is because he is 300 years old (or at least 200 years old) before Admiral Marcus instead of Captain Kirk found Khan that perhaps Khan has not changed through the timeline as other characters have.
So basically, the wrong person woke him up at the wrong time? If he had been woken up during a peaceful time in the Federation's history by a peaceful group people, lets say the Vulcans, nothing would have happened.
That's what happened in the prime timeline. Kirk woke him up, and initially things were civil, but then Khan decided that humanity had grown weak and soft, and so he resolved to take over Earth and reforge humanity in whatever image he deemed right. Fortunately, Kirk stopped him.
@@punkrockdavid In the startrek timeline he would have been exiled in the late 1990's. He would be in hydrogenic sleep module aboard the Botony Bay in deep space right now. He was helped to escape by time agent Gary Seven.
I much prefer this version of Khan actually. The way the first Khan was depicted, with long, messy hair and dressed up like a medieval nomad despite operating a star ship was borderline ethnocentric. This image of Khan is the image of how you can easily project the image of fitting well into a civilized order while still being a megalomaniacal sociopath. The enemy that is so much harder to see and accept but so much more realistic.
Alia Knight Well, the "long, messy hair and dressed up like a medieval nomad" Khan had been living on a barren planet for fifteen years with dwindling supplies, so....
+Alia Knight Long, messy hair Khan was waiting for 15 years to take revenge on Kirk, that is what makes him a great villain. This Khan meet Kirk 15 hours ago. He is just some guy.
What made Khan and his crew so dangerous was they were ruthless. As he even said scientist genetically enhanced them to fight a War. So I'm pretty sure they committed war crimes against humanity to accomplish the task they were created for. Then when it was over they were convicted. As I seem to remember Kirk asking how they ended up in the cryotube ship. As Khan had stole it to escape. They really should make a stand alone movie on Khans past. As in this time line Star Trek he is still alive!
Khan and his crew is like an army of anti Captain America/Steve Rogers that Colonel Phillips wanted except they are like what Hitler would like to have as a "perfect" race.
Claude Rains But they shouldn't really be considered as criminals. I mean, they were created to be perfect, to be savage and ruthless so that they could lead us to peace at the time of war. Humanity does not apply on them. Anyway, they did released a pre-sequel comic. It explains a bit more background stories about this version of Khan. Take a look at it if interested.
1:20 I like the odd shift in scenes here. The change in the ambient sound. The drastic change in Khan's tone. This scene, whether production intended it or not, marks the branching paths in the Star Trek Timeline. Up to this scene, Khan's story is exactly the same as it was in the original timeline. But this scene shows one of the many effects of those aforementioned changes, set in motion by Spock & the Red Matter
You can’t deny at the end of this video, even if Khan is a villain, when he asks Kirk that question, you can’t deny and have to admit, that he has a valid point. And Khan’s crew is his family, just like Kirk’s crew is his family. And when Khan asks that, you can’t help but feel and agree with him, even if he’s a criminal and a villain in this movie. And that is, Khan’s crew is his family. Is there anything that Kirk wouldn’t do, for his family? Like when Kirk went to save Spock from dying at the beginning of the movie to avoid his inevitable death in the volcano, he knew the risks. But he was still saving Spock’s life, regardless of that question, which again, is there anything Kirk wouldn’t do for his family, which is his crew?
They should make a prequel movie about the Eugenics Wars...reading the 'Star Trek: Khan' tie-in comics by IDW really piqued my interest. Shame how the conflict has only been mentioned in passing throughout all Trek continuity, as it's a pretty high-end concept.
There's a comic book prequel to this movie in which Marcus revives Khan and gives him a surgical makeover so no one would recognize him. I can't help wondering if people would've been more forgiving of Khan being cast as a white actor if that detail had been covered in the actual movie.
They would still complain and whine. Benedict Cumberbatch was FANTASTIC as the role of Khan and I'm so glad he was in this movie for this role as he's fantastic in it.
Chris Pine really adds to this scene with the looks he’s giving Khan. He looks like Khan’s words have him in sort of a trance. Immediately after this scene when Sulu pages him, Kirk shakes his head before responding as if he was waking from a sort of dream-like state. Great acting on both ends.
“My crew is my family. Is there *anything* you would not do for yours?” That is such a brilliant and real line. I don’t blame Kahn for his actions, I love my family and yes I would do anything for them, if I were him I’d do the same. If only he found out his crew were alive then maybe things would be different. Why can’t villains be written like this everytime. Give them a motive, give them an emotional anchor to keep them somewhat sympathetic so the audience can understand them. The real villain was absolutely Adm. Marcus, he got so many innocent people killed and if his plan was successful it would have reached genocidal levels
"You can't even break a rule how can you be expected to break bone?" Yeah that is the thing about war which is heartbreaking. They make you read the rulebook, they make you take their oaths, they go through all their training. And then it's time to choose between pulling and not pulling a trigger without a stun setting. And you write your report. And all the rules, regulations, oaths, concepts like dignity, decency, honour and honesty...all the spiritual and social values of a civilized and accountable society... no-one with authority normally gives a damn about them, as long as they get to type up "Mission accomplished" on a file and can convincingly deny accountability for nasty things in front of a camera. In times of war the law falls silent.
I mean. Not really. Actually, there is an entire lawbook of things you can and cannot do. There are regulations for how officers and soldiers should behave. There are rules of engagement, courts, warcrimes. It is not human nature to fight and slaughter. Even for our worst instincts we have rules and values. To me, that is inspirational. Men aren't animals.
Absolutely love Benedict Cumberbatch’s performance here You get a lot of sympathy from him seeing how Admiral Marcus exploited his own crew to win wars strictly for profit and victory It shows a parallel to Kirk; both captains would be willing to save their crews even give their own lives
David Bell not at all. It’s what makes him a better character than most. Because you identify with him, want to emulate certain parts of his character. How many villains can you say that about?
I actually liked that this movie was a copy of Wrath of Khan. It showed how even though those are alternative universes, fate is fate and so, the same prople can meet and the same events happen, but with some modifications.
I always loved startrek because I don't have to think; the show gives you sci-fi but explains the technology and the decisions as you go along with it; i turn off my mind and just enjoy the ride.
"My name is Khan!" He never explained what that name means, assuming that he was notorious enough for Kirk to recognize that name. To be fair, Kirk's response of "300 year old frozen man" proves that he was notorious enough for Kirk to know about him.
That was the time you realized they were screwed? To me that point came long before, when he took out an entire band of Klingons by himself, and took Kirk's punches like they were nothing. At that point I knew he was a menace :P
+Robert Hickson well they didn't send him to Seti Alpha V in this film like they did in TOS, so it could be a possibility that Khan does make a sudden appearance, though it might be the storyline that they shoved him in his cryotube until they could put him and his people on Seti Alpha V.
The upcoming Trek film, has 'box office bomb' written all over it. Might lead to a 'reboot' of the 'reboot' as they have thrashed Star Trek TOS into one mind numbing fight sequence after another.
Khan was very smart when it came to manipulating Kirk. A good man has morals and a heart, both can be used to your benefit, while a hardened or cruel man, can’t be easily manipulated since they are always on their guard. The only thing that kept Kirk from a sad ending was that, he had smart and loyal friends who were willing to do anything to protect him.
Yes! I also think Khan's cardinal mistake was to underestimate how savage Spock could be. Not in a cruel way, he did not actually harm his crew, but the payoff when the torpedoes exploded was great.
Previously on Star Trek Into Darkness: *McCoy:* Jim... you might want to see this. (Close up on person in cryotube.) (Meanwhile, in a base behind Jupiter...) *Scotty:* Holy sh--
At first i was like, "Ah Khan! What an asshole for blowing up a building! And killing Kirk's father figure!", Then i was like "Holy shit He's so awesome kicking so much Klingon ass!" Then i was like "Whoa, he was actually forced to do a bunch a evil stuff because some asshat was holding everyone he knew and loved hostage? Well, now it almost seems justified he went and tried to kill those guys." Then i was like, "So, this guy helped uncover corruption high up in your military rank, gave you super blood that will later save you, helps keep you from suffocating in deep space and helps save your crew, helps you into an enemy ship and DOESN'T kill you or any of your teammates when CLEARLY he had the chance and you still try to stun him and take him away? I'm sorry Mr. Spock, exactly Who is betraying whom here?" Seriously! If Kirk had handled this any other way, they could have been fucking friends! Could you imagine the next movie then!? Kirk, Spock, and Khan all kick ass? Together?!
Wow i never thought of it this way. You're right ...except he did try to kill the entire Enterprise crew, remember? "After all, no ship should go down without her captain."
Khan: My name is Khan... Everyone else: who? Khan: I make super advanced weapons and spaceships Everyone else: Were not not frozen hundreds of years ago? How are you making advanced stuff?
I know, I know, this recent reboot of Star Trek isn’t fantastic in the slightest and I know Wrath of Khan is a better made film…but I love this scene. The acting is en pointe and the direction isn’t distracting.
I think the problem was they tried to hide he was Khan. Which was completely unnecessary. If they just have him be Khan from the beginning it would have been fine. Instead they tried to make it like they were so proud that they surprised us. I wasn’t surprised just dumbfounded that they thought it was a good idea.
I can't be the only one agreeing with the idea of a militarized Starfleet? The Federation is surrounded by belligerent alien powers like the Klingons and the Romulans, not to mention that the Borg will be bearing down on them within a century. Triggering war on purpose is wrong but setting aside all proper weapons and armies, sticking your head in the ground and bleating about "peace in our time", ignorant to the threats is even more unforgivable. This is probably my biggest gripe with Star Trek. Man will always be Man, there will always be a need for soldiers and warfare. I can understand why people in the 60's were so optimistic about abolishing war having just come out of WWII but lets not kid ourselves here, men have fought and killed since they first picked up rocks. Its in our blood and it always will be. Might as well learn to live with it.
Bloody Forerunners. How the hell did those noseless self righteous bastards ever cast prehistoric Humanity back to the Stone Age and scatter the Precursors to the infinite void? The future of Humanity will probably be a cross between the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40k, the Verse in Firefly and the UEG from Halo with perhaps a bit of the Systems Alliance from Mass Effect thrown in if we're feeling optimistic. A highly centralized and militarized civilization that must be so to combat threats from outside and in with a few outlying rogue colonies and pirate ports at the margins. Inner colonies closer to Earth are beacons of civilization and commerce and outlying colonies are hotbeds of dissent and less technologically developed yet vital for what they provide in terms of crops and raw materials. God-Emperor I would love nothing better than to be a Rogue Trader.
SinDawg030 I think they realised that the build up of weapons usually leads to a big and catastrophic fight always. After all is that not the cycle of war? Build up militaries, fight a war, cripple yourself, build up again, repeat
Actually yes you are. That’s literally 3 species in a universe of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF SPECIES. But you want the Federation Of Planets to openly declare OPEN WARFARE ON THE ENTIRE GD galaxy??? Wtaf. Starfleet encompassed billions of planets and people and you literally want them to all be out there murdering entire worlds, to become EXACTLY LIKE KHAN??? They’d be literally war criminals, but who cares right?
The actor playing Khan, his mother played a part in the old UFO TV series, the series that was the precursor for Space 1999. In this movie the thing I don't understand is why try to smuggle his people to safety? If I had been him I would have woke them up.
Cumberbatch barely blinks in this scene. And of course the camera angles and lightning magnifies the effect, but he looks really intimidating when he says "everything".
Just awesome.
Oh yea. The way they did all this whole scene was incredible it really makes it truly incredible moment. you can sympathize with him even though you know he is supposed to be a villian
@Daniel Appleton the mans a truly a great actor. He pulls this char. off greatly.
@Daniel Appleton totally agree
I think perhaps it is because he plays Khan as a colder mechanical less human character whereas Montablans character shows a more human ,learned intellectual who could be ruthless.
Also the one time he conspicuously does blink is to squeeze out a perfectly, PERFECTLY, timed single tear. He was earning the shit out of his pay cheque that day.
I like both Khans, honestly. Montalban's performance worked for an older, more calculating Khan. Cumberbatch's performance, however, feels like he's fresh out of the augment lab he came from, thirsty for blood. Two angles of Khan Noonien Singh, both I find interesting.
It's just these movies with all their EMOTIONS!!! would of course have a bloodthirsty one. For ACTION! and DRAMA! They're good movies, but they're not Star Trek movies.
Cumberbatch is brilliant in this
@@squamish4244 I firmly disagree with your opinion.
@@TJBUSMC1973 Don't hold it against me.
Both cold calculating and ruthless one being brazen and vengeful. The other secretive and savage.
"Mr Spock, you can't even break a rule, how can you be expected to break bone"
Later breaks his bone in their last fight scene
dfeenix That’s called a callback :)
I loved his look after that. That's a look that said "I've broken many bones. Just say something about my mother. I dare you."
He also broke a rule by lying during terms lol
And the disdain in the look he gives Spock after that look. Brilliant!
@@MichaelBrown-rg8oi He didn’t lie- he exaggerated.
"...you, you can't break a rule. How do you expect to break bone?" I love how he says that
Funny last words, considering Spock later breaks his arm on Earth.
One of the few lines that lift spark on pause
The irony is that Khan had a point and in a twisted way, felt legitimately justified in his attack on Starfleet HQ.
Thats kind of the point of all Star Trek: to be morally ambiguous.
Hence the name of the movie, "Into Darkness". Markus had become convinced that any means justified the ends.
Almost tragic.
Yes and Cumberbatch's brilliant performance really helps to make us feel his pain and sincerity, adding to a sense of compassion for this villain. Such a great actor!
He’s a ruthless manipulator. Why attack other innocent people such as Captain Pike?
Kirk, that's a high-functioning sociopath you're talking to. It's no good trying to shame him with accusations of murder.
Kirk- 'Who are you?'
Khan- 'the name is Sherlock Holmes and the address is 221B Baker Street *wink*'
Coral Roper yep xD
Merry christmas
BRILLIANT BRILLIANT ACTING BY CUMBERBATCH!
3:46 I agree.
This movie was spectacular. Cumberbatch gave an outstanding performance. The hate for this movie is ridiculous. For the record I've been a fan of Star Trek since I was a kid.
And this movie was the first time I got into Star Trek when I first watched it twice when it first released. So Star Trek Into Darkness really has an important part of my personal life.
Not even I can go that long with blinking.
@@stephenbyrne2170 I just tried staring for as long as he did, only bliking after he did too. My eyes started burning just after the halfway point. Lol.
Thank you! It’s the best out of the trilogy and definitely has a more visceral tone than the other two. And the scene of him taking out the Klingons is just 🤌
After they leave:
Khan-"I would like to thank the Academy..."
@Micah Johansson oh his performance was truly epic. But great work tends to go unnoticed often unappreciated in their time. But its also possible to turn down such awards. Not all like them
For all of Khan's sociopathic and arrogant behavior, he actually does have an Achilles' heel beyond those qualities. He *does* love his crew. We saw it in the Wrath of Khan and we see it here. Small fleeting scenes, but he does show true emotion for them. That's why he had to turn away from Kirk. Sure it may be because he only loves them because they are *his* but it's something. He'll never know true love so he'll take it in whatever form it's given to him; like the Borg Queen needing her Borg.
Out of the three villains in the new Star Trek movies, Benedict Cumberbatch's Khan is definitely the most well-developed. I don't understand why he and this film got such criticisms.
It wasn't because of his performance. The fans were upset because of how JJ marketed the lies about him being Khan, and the fact he was now "white"(it's explained as a section 31 genetic makeover in the canon idw comics, but that doesn't help offset reactions).
It also didn't help that the final 15 to 20 minutes were a carbon-copy of WrathOfKhan. I was enjoying the movie up until that point.
I understand what you mean. My father was a diehard Star Trek fan, and I grew up watching the original series, the next generation, etc.
He loved the first movie, but hated this one. He thought that this movie did not do anything original. Except modernize, "space seed "and "the wrath of khan ".
While Benedict Cumberbatch channelled a good amount of Sherlock into this version of Khan, I feel like, at least visually, Ben Kingsley may have been closer to the Khan of the original Timeline.
because KAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHN!
Wrath of Kahn is such a cult classic that it is VERY hard to not get criticism to kind of remake it in this new Calvin timeline.
Benedict Cumberbatch's Khan has the strength and intellect potentially surpassing Spock but he can be emotional and has leadership qualities like Kirk proven in his past as per what was told. Spock speaks in a logical and scientific manner and Khan mixes that with emotion which makes the lines all the more dangerous and captivating to hear. So Khan is essentially equal to Spock and Kirk both.
In the original Spock is more seasoned so is more of a match for Khan.
In this series Spock is great but doesn’t have the experience to counter Khan. Thankfully Spock prime was available to give crucial guidance.
Khan is spoken of as a two dimensional thinker iirc. His arrogance proves to be a vulnerable quality as well.
Khan was tazed like six times before spock stopped him
1:50 - The one thing that truly struck me in this scene is his expression after he announced his name. That slight dip with his head in order to more see how his eyes are looking at the screen, you can see his ferocity, eventually saying 'I am deadly and will not hesitate to kill you'.
Like a predator...
Yes! Same here! And how he made his eyes look so cold, so emotionless, just pure savagery, is beyond me...🤔 just brilliant! He IS Khan.
That likely was a hard piece of dialogue to see on the page and bring to life...but his facial expression and delivery sells the hell out it.
He practically growls it. Like a predator waiting to strike.
Benedict Cumberbatch nailed this role. Very underrated.
best acting I have ever seen, in my opinion there is no better actor than Benedict :) xx I am entitled to this opinion
Cumberbatch is such an amazing actor ... The tone of his voice, his expressions ...
I remember that one point during Khan's speech, when he shed his first tear, my brother said that he felt sorry for him.
“You can’t even break a rule, how can you be expected to break bone”…that was a cold ass line! 😂
Such a powerful scene.
Cumberbatch really put his acting chops into this scene. The dramatic “hold…most…dear” quote with his dramatic mouth movements was a little over the top.
I gotta be honest here, the entire time I watched this movie, I thought there was no real "bad guy" just several characters doing what they think is best for their people. Khan included.
That’s what makes it good.
Damn Kirk---you made Khan cry.... 😢
Oh my god, I wish I could've hugged him when he started crying 😢 my poor baby
Kirk and Spock missed an opportunity to defuse Khan a bit by explaining that the officers that were attacked were not a part of Admiral Marcus' plan and that Khan's attack killed the very officers who could have helped him expose Marcus, get his people back, and be free to go colonize a planet and start over. If Khan had realized that his rage led to such a mistake, he might have had that thought in his head later and used more self control in order to avoid making another mistake out of anger.
Did Kirk and Spock flunk Earth History 101 ... how can he not know who Khan is... Oh, right, because we needed a cameo later on in the movie.
+Markus Galt Actually in the original series they also had a lot of trouble recognizing Khan from history... which never made much sense to me, but there you go.
David Stahl it is believed that due to world war three and eugenics war before that, that most records from that era were lost plus it is said that Kahn has had surgery to alter his appearance
I think that Kirk and Spock miss several opportunities to defuse Khan.
The underlining problem is that Kirk is young and wallowing in his grief and self-pity. Then there is Spock who lacks any ability to think/see beyond logic.
The sad thing about the entire situation is that Kirk understands intimately how Khan feels, you can see it when Khan explains his actions. Kirk has the same reactions.
It cannot be said for sure that all of the officers that were attacked were not part of Admiral Marcus’ plan. After all, you don’t start something that big without help from ranking people.
It can only be said that Pike, Kirk, Spock, and perhaps the other first officers in the room were not a part of the plan.
Be that as it may, it might have been possible to defuse Khan by reminding him that he did repay in kind for what he believed Marcus had done to him and his family. Marcus is exposed now, no longer a threat to him, and would pay for what he has done. His family is safe, it may be possible to be free to colonize a planet and start anew, if he is willing to leave in peace.
Next, when Kirk, Scotty, and Khan take over the bridge of the Vengeance notice Khan actions. Once the bridge is secured Khan is in back of Kirk, he has a clear shot but he doesn’t take it. Instead his actions are those of one who is deferring to a leader, which in this case is Kirk. Khan keeps a phraser trained on the person he is guarding but he also glances towards Kirk, taking his cues from him.
It is hard to say but there might have been a possibility that if Kirk hadn’t order Scotty to stun Khan, Khan may not have attacked. When Khan does attack it is brutal, it is the sort of anger that is seen in one who is betrayed.
That so called clever stunt that Spock did with the torpedoes was idiotic to say the least! You watch this man put to the sword an entire squad of Klingons single-handedly to keep Uhura, Kirk, and yourself alive all because you threated his crew who were in the torpedoes,
Then you pull a stunt causing him to think that you killed his family by firing the torpedoes, what did you think his reaction was going to be? If he didn’t have reason to hate Star Fleet before, Spock sure as fuck gave him reason to now!
Sidenote on that last statement, Khan still believes his crew to be dead. He was knocked out during the fight with Spock and you can be damn sure they kept him out, took what they needed then put him in storage. So as far as he knows, his family is dead.
That seems more like a Picard thing. Or even a Sisko thing.
This dude shamelessly charismatic
Into Darkness is extremely split down the middle as far as popularity goes, but I think most agree that, when not being compared to Montelban, Cumberbatch did a good job in the role of Khan.
Tim Hands or we could just say he is a different iteration of khan. James Bond doesn't always have to act or look like Sean Connery, even though he's the original. So why should khan always have to act or be like montelban?
BaldManLogan Maybe, perhaps it is because he is 300 years old (or at least 200 years old) before Admiral Marcus instead of Captain Kirk found Khan that perhaps Khan has not changed through the timeline as other characters have.
But there was one character that did not make the transition and that was Saavik.
Actually, i prefer this Khan over the old one. And i enjoyed both movies.
This Khan is actually inrimidating and scary....
What is crazy is how much of the actor goes into the character. As I watch Khan’s face during the monologue I can see Smaug lol.
So basically, the wrong person woke him up at the wrong time? If he had been woken up during a peaceful time in the Federation's history by a peaceful group people, lets say the Vulcans, nothing would have happened.
I mean, if that happened. It would end up like the Prime Timeline events..
But sadly that didn't happen thanks to the events of the first film.
He’s ruthless. He does care for his crew to an extent though.
That's what happened in the prime timeline. Kirk woke him up, and initially things were civil, but then Khan decided that humanity had grown weak and soft, and so he resolved to take over Earth and reforge humanity in whatever image he deemed right. Fortunately, Kirk stopped him.
@@darthimperious1594 So old school. I wish it was more nuanced.
2:30 Spock's like "uhhh yeah i'm pretty sure there's a possible future that i broke yours on top of a transporter"
Look, lets face it, nobody will EVER play Khan as good as Montalban did but this dude did do a really good job!!!!
Man when he said "My name is KHAN" all the Trekkies, dressed up in costume, cheered
Or said "Welp, they're goners".
If Kahn is 300 years old then he was made around 1950s..
They launched into space in the late 1990s
If you read the novels about Khan then you will discover in trek lore that he was born or otherwise "developed in the 1950's
@@thunder9539 so your telling me khan is asleep right now???
@@punkrockdavid In the startrek timeline he would have been exiled in the late 1990's. He would be in hydrogenic sleep module aboard the Botony Bay in deep space right now. He was helped to escape by time agent Gary Seven.
I love that line "because I'm... better." haha
Benedict Cumberbatch=PERFECTION~
I fucking love Benedict! Thanks for your existence!
Finding a man in the torpedo was extremely shocking at first and instantly gouged attention to the movie.
The movie was VERY "gouged" from the start as it was fantastic film to watch and enjoy entirely.
this is the best character in the star trek canon cumberpatch was perfectly cast and should be utilized in future films
I much prefer this version of Khan actually. The way the first Khan was depicted, with long, messy hair and dressed up like a medieval nomad despite operating a star ship was borderline ethnocentric. This image of Khan is the image of how you can easily project the image of fitting well into a civilized order while still being a megalomaniacal sociopath. The enemy that is so much harder to see and accept but so much more realistic.
Alia Knight Well, the "long, messy hair and dressed up like a medieval nomad" Khan had been living on a barren planet for fifteen years with dwindling supplies, so....
+Alia Knight Long, messy hair Khan was waiting for 15 years to take revenge on Kirk, that is what makes him a great villain.
This Khan meet Kirk 15 hours ago. He is just some guy.
Megalomaniacal. That's a mouthful.
stoic romulan and to my knowledge, the actor who originally played Khan was Spanish, wasn’t he? Or Hispanic, I’m not sure
What made Khan and his crew so dangerous was they were ruthless. As he even said scientist genetically enhanced them to fight a War. So I'm pretty sure they committed war crimes against humanity to accomplish the task they were created for. Then when it was over they were convicted. As I seem to remember Kirk asking how they ended up in the cryotube ship. As Khan had stole it to escape.
They really should make a stand alone movie on Khans past. As in this time line Star Trek he is still alive!
Khan and his crew is like an army of anti Captain America/Steve Rogers that Colonel Phillips wanted except they are like what Hitler would like to have as a "perfect" race.
Claude Rains But they shouldn't really be considered as criminals. I mean, they were created to be perfect, to be savage and ruthless so that they could lead us to peace at the time of war. Humanity does not apply on them.
Anyway, they did released a pre-sequel comic. It explains a bit more background stories about this version of Khan. Take a look at it if interested.
I need cumberbatch's voice and accent
1:20
I like the odd shift in scenes here.
The change in the ambient sound.
The drastic change in Khan's tone.
This scene, whether production intended it or not, marks the branching paths in the Star Trek Timeline.
Up to this scene, Khan's story is exactly the same as it was in the original timeline.
But this scene shows one of the many effects of those aforementioned changes, set in motion by Spock & the Red Matter
This scene is the best in the whole movie.
You can’t deny at the end of this video, even if Khan is a villain, when he asks Kirk that question, you can’t deny and have to admit, that he has a valid point. And Khan’s crew is his family, just like Kirk’s crew is his family. And when Khan asks that, you can’t help but feel and agree with him, even if he’s a criminal and a villain in this movie. And that is, Khan’s crew is his family. Is there anything that Kirk wouldn’t do, for his family? Like when Kirk went to save Spock from dying at the beginning of the movie to avoid his inevitable death in the volcano, he knew the risks. But he was still saving Spock’s life, regardless of that question, which again, is there anything Kirk wouldn’t do for his family, which is his crew?
They should make a prequel movie about the Eugenics Wars...reading the 'Star Trek: Khan' tie-in comics by IDW really piqued my interest. Shame how the conflict has only been mentioned in passing throughout all Trek continuity, as it's a pretty high-end concept.
Dude I would love that !
@@kevinwg02 Didn't the Eugenics Wars overlap WWIII?
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I have to say that I like both Khans, the 60s and the modern version. To me, it's like watching two different villains that are well made and written.
There's a comic book prequel to this movie in which Marcus revives Khan and gives him a surgical makeover so no one would recognize him. I can't help wondering if people would've been more forgiving of Khan being cast as a white actor if that detail had been covered in the actual movie.
They would still complain and whine. Benedict Cumberbatch was FANTASTIC as the role of Khan and I'm so glad he was in this movie for this role as he's fantastic in it.
Kahn doesn't need weapons, he's got family:- Dom Toretto.
At 04:03 Spock and Kirk look like: F**k that's acting!
Chris Pine really adds to this scene with the looks he’s giving Khan. He looks like Khan’s words have him in sort of a trance. Immediately after this scene when Sulu pages him, Kirk shakes his head before responding as if he was waking from a sort of dream-like state.
Great acting on both ends.
Quality acting, characters with depth
“My crew is my family. Is there *anything* you would not do for yours?”
That is such a brilliant and real line. I don’t blame Kahn for his actions, I love my family and yes I would do anything for them, if I were him I’d do the same. If only he found out his crew were alive then maybe things would be different. Why can’t villains be written like this everytime. Give them a motive, give them an emotional anchor to keep them somewhat sympathetic so the audience can understand them.
The real villain was absolutely Adm. Marcus, he got so many innocent people killed and if his plan was successful it would have reached genocidal levels
Benedict is such an awesome actor.
My name is WALT DISNEY!
"You can't even break a rule how can you be expected to break bone?"
Yeah that is the thing about war which is heartbreaking. They make you read the rulebook, they make you take their oaths, they go through all their training.
And then it's time to choose between pulling and not pulling a trigger without a stun setting. And you write your report.
And all the rules, regulations, oaths, concepts like dignity, decency, honour and honesty...all the spiritual and social values of a civilized and accountable society... no-one with authority normally gives a damn about them, as long as they get to type up "Mission accomplished" on a file and can convincingly deny accountability for nasty things in front of a camera.
In times of war the law falls silent.
I mean. Not really. Actually, there is an entire lawbook of things you can and cannot do. There are regulations for how officers and soldiers should behave. There are rules of engagement, courts, warcrimes. It is not human nature to fight and slaughter. Even for our worst instincts we have rules and values. To me, that is inspirational. Men aren't animals.
Absolutely love Benedict Cumberbatch’s performance here
You get a lot of sympathy from him seeing how Admiral Marcus exploited his own crew to win wars strictly for profit and victory
It shows a parallel to Kirk; both captains would be willing to save their crews even give their own lives
The original Khan was in a Star Trek TOS series before he was brought back in wrath of Khan. Both actors played a ruthless character well.
Is it weird that I find a genocidal ubermensch, a very motivating factor at bettering myself?
David Bell not at all. It’s what makes him a better character than most. Because you identify with him, want to emulate certain parts of his character. How many villains can you say that about?
CREDITS:
TM & © Paramount (2013)
Cast: Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Benedict Cumberbatch, Alice Eve, John Cho, Anton Yelchin
Screenwriter: Damon Lindelof, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman
Director: J.J. Abrams
I can't be the only one that thinks Khan cries really pretty
I actually liked that this movie was a copy of Wrath of Khan. It showed how even though those are alternative universes, fate is fate and so, the same prople can meet and the same events happen, but with some modifications.
I always loved startrek because I don't have to think; the show gives you sci-fi but explains the technology and the decisions as you go along with it; i turn off my mind and just enjoy the ride.
"My name is Khan!" He never explained what that name means, assuming that he was notorious enough for Kirk to recognize that name. To be fair, Kirk's response of "300 year old frozen man" proves that he was notorious enough for Kirk to know about him.
Nah bones told him the guy in the tube was 300 years old, so Kirk assumed correctly that khan was the same age. He had no idea who khan was
Dear God
He’s a good actor!
I just realise bones is èomer from lord of the rings
OH MY GOD
+Xmg Yup! And he's also in the new Star Wars Movie-he plays BB-8 : D
Eeeyup :3 underrated as hell, that man!
2:30 Does anyone else think that "grinch grin" is amazing?
That was the time you realized they were screwed? To me that point came long before, when he took out an entire band of Klingons by himself, and took Kirk's punches like they were nothing.
At that point I knew he was a menace :P
That bone break line really came back to bite Khan in the ass…
They spared Khan at the end; could he make a re-appearance? Maybe, even switch to 'Good' aka Darth Vader?
+Robert Hickson well they didn't send him to Seti Alpha V in this film like they did in TOS, so it could be a possibility that Khan does make a sudden appearance, though it might be the storyline that they shoved him in his cryotube until they could put him and his people on Seti Alpha V.
The upcoming Trek film, has 'box office bomb' written all over it. Might lead to a 'reboot' of the 'reboot' as they have thrashed Star Trek TOS into one mind numbing fight sequence after another.
Khan was very smart when it came to manipulating Kirk. A good man has morals and a heart, both can be used to your benefit, while a hardened or cruel man, can’t be easily manipulated since they are always on their guard. The only thing that kept Kirk from a sad ending was that, he had smart and loyal friends who were willing to do anything to protect him.
Yes! I also think Khan's cardinal mistake was to underestimate how savage Spock could be. Not in a cruel way, he did not actually harm his crew, but the payoff when the torpedoes exploded was great.
kirk sucks. propped up by spock
Cumberbatch acted the F*** out of that scene. 😮🤩
"My name is...Khan!"
Uh, ok...does that mean anything?
yes it means his name is Khan.
It is supposed to invoke in certain audience members, members who are familiar with the critically acclaimed "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan"
Hughie Quan no, really? Wow, never would have imagined that
It means a lot to the audience.
Jake Reid no shit, sherlock but in terms of the story - nada
I love the way he silences spock with logic
Previously on Star Trek Into Darkness:
*McCoy:* Jim... you might want to see this.
(Close up on person in cryotube.)
(Meanwhile, in a base behind Jupiter...)
*Scotty:* Holy sh--
Doctor Strange and Steve Trevor talking in this scene even before they took their respective superhero roles is pure genius!!
When they said his name, John Harrison, we couldn't help but think of 'ere I am, JH...the ghost in the machine' reference from Terry Gilliam's Brazil.
At first i was like, "Ah Khan! What an asshole for blowing up a building! And killing Kirk's father figure!", Then i was like "Holy shit He's so awesome kicking so much Klingon ass!" Then i was like "Whoa, he was actually forced to do a bunch a evil stuff because some asshat was holding everyone he knew and loved hostage? Well, now it almost seems justified he went and tried to kill those guys." Then i was like, "So, this guy helped uncover corruption high up in your military rank, gave you super blood that will later save you, helps keep you from suffocating in deep space and helps save your crew, helps you into an enemy ship and DOESN'T kill you or any of your teammates when CLEARLY he had the chance and you still try to stun him and take him away? I'm sorry Mr. Spock, exactly Who is betraying whom here?" Seriously! If Kirk had handled this any other way, they could have been fucking friends! Could you imagine the next movie then!? Kirk, Spock, and Khan all kick ass? Together?!
+Zeta The Sixth Damn and blast, why isn't this a thing???
Wow i never thought of it this way. You're right ...except he did try to kill the entire Enterprise crew, remember?
"After all, no ship should go down without her captain."
+Jeff M You do realize that came only AFTER KIRK BETRAYED KHAN
oh yeah. i need to watch it again
Betrayed Khan? Dude it was JUST a stun dude, it wasn't lethal, Khan responded lethally to a non lethal strike.
When I first watched this is was like oh shit! KAHN!
This reminds me of one of my job interviews some years ago...
1:44 Khan: My name is KHAN!
Bones look good in that shirt. Classic trek reference with the short sleeves?
I clicked on this out of interest only to find smaug love that love voice he does so well .
Love the musical hints of Star Trek 2.
the future in startreck is so futuristic 300years ago feels like ancient times
Khan: My name is Khan...
Everyone else: who?
Khan: I make super advanced weapons and spaceships
Everyone else: Were not not frozen hundreds of years ago? How are you making advanced stuff?
The music that was played when he said that his name was Khan was so erie.
Loved him as Khan honestly. He was just ruthless.
Ever wonder what it means when you begin understanding the portrayal of the villain reasoning. Is that a startling revelation?
The last line is so strong
Why is there virtually no sound on all the clips from this person ?
0:19 I wonder if Spock believed it was future technology
It's scenes like this where they really need a goddamn tripod for the camera
1:44 Gonna introduce myself like that, and make that face, in my next job interview.
I seriously began to suspect that it was Khan after seeing how brilliantly laid out his plans in the early stages were
This was Benedict's best role since Smaug.
I know, I know, this recent reboot of Star Trek isn’t fantastic in the slightest and I know Wrath of Khan is a better made film…but I love this scene. The acting is en pointe and the direction isn’t distracting.
With the fuel pods removed how the hell were the torpedoes going to reach Kronos?
I think the problem was they tried to hide he was Khan. Which was completely unnecessary.
If they just have him be Khan from the beginning it would have been fine.
Instead they tried to make it like they were so proud that they surprised us. I wasn’t surprised just dumbfounded that they thought it was a good idea.
I can't be the only one agreeing with the idea of a militarized Starfleet? The Federation is surrounded by belligerent alien powers like the Klingons and the Romulans, not to mention that the Borg will be bearing down on them within a century. Triggering war on purpose is wrong but setting aside all proper weapons and armies, sticking your head in the ground and bleating about "peace in our time", ignorant to the threats is even more unforgivable. This is probably my biggest gripe with Star Trek. Man will always be Man, there will always be a need for soldiers and warfare. I can understand why people in the 60's were so optimistic about abolishing war having just come out of WWII but lets not kid ourselves here, men have fought and killed since they first picked up rocks. Its in our blood and it always will be. Might as well learn to live with it.
Bloody Forerunners. How the hell did those noseless self righteous bastards ever cast prehistoric Humanity back to the Stone Age and scatter the Precursors to the infinite void? The future of Humanity will probably be a cross between the Imperium of Man from Warhammer 40k, the Verse in Firefly and the UEG from Halo with perhaps a bit of the Systems Alliance from Mass Effect thrown in if we're feeling optimistic. A highly centralized and militarized civilization that must be so to combat threats from outside and in with a few outlying rogue colonies and pirate ports at the margins. Inner colonies closer to Earth are beacons of civilization and commerce and outlying colonies are hotbeds of dissent and less technologically developed yet vital for what they provide in terms of crops and raw materials. God-Emperor I would love nothing better than to be a Rogue Trader.
SinDawg030 I think they realised that the build up of weapons usually leads to a big and catastrophic fight always. After all is that not the cycle of war? Build up militaries, fight a war, cripple yourself, build up again, repeat
Actually yes you are. That’s literally 3 species in a universe of BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF SPECIES. But you want the Federation Of Planets to openly declare OPEN WARFARE ON THE ENTIRE GD galaxy??? Wtaf. Starfleet encompassed billions of planets and people and you literally want them to all be out there murdering entire worlds, to become EXACTLY LIKE KHAN??? They’d be literally war criminals, but who cares right?
Is that hal 9000 in the background? bet he or it must be intimidated by Khan :o
The actor playing Khan, his mother played a part in the old UFO TV series, the series that was the precursor for Space 1999. In this movie the thing I don't understand is why try to smuggle his people to safety? If I had been him I would have woke them up.