+adamcrookedsmile Because he thought Spock, with his logic and self-control, would quickly refrain from letting his emotions get the best of him but he was wrong.
What people forget about Vulcans is that they're aren't unemotional. They're actually intensely, destructively emotional, which is why they've adopted a philosophy of keeping their feelings under tight control. When that control breaks, it breaks hard.
That's why no one tries to stop him physically: he could easily overpower them. Savek did the right thing to wait it out a bit because he could see when Spock was not able to listen until the right moment. I'm sure he would have done the nerve pinch on his own son if he had to.
vulcans are just a lot stronger than humans, in the original series, kirk said spock was twice as strong as him. So, spock didn't need any training to completely overwhelm kirk - it was like a grown man attacking a child.
I love the acting at 0:29. Just the slightest delay of Spock's answer "...yes of course I did." It shows the beginning of his emotion breaking under Kirk's questioning. Good directing. Good acting.
It is to show that Kirk had to go through some ass-whippings before he became the man he was. You are not born tough or a good fighter, it is practice getting your ass-whipped. :)
Emily Pyles Yeah, true. If the others knew WHY Jim had to get Spock to snap, for his sake and the crew’s, I doubt they would have stopped Spock due to how he and Jim had been coming to a head for a while since their days at the Academy.
The way u texted u not exactly all their either smh he didn't mention his mother yet so for u to say this u in a small world just like spock here just think on this...just saying
+KaregoAt Nice people aren't used to getting angry, so they are a lot worse at controlling or throttling it when pushed over the edge. someone who is angry all the time is a far less scary proposition. It's probably even worse for Spock because even the nicest human has some experience with their anger. I'm surprised Kirk is alive.
People need to quit saying "Kirk is a bully" and any variation of that, lol. If you watched the movie you know that he HAD to say those things to provoke Spock into lashing out and relinquising his control to Kirk because despite being fucked up emotionally on the inside and unlikely to make the best decisions, no one could tell because of his amazing pokerface.
How true. The older Spock told Kirk he needed to make the younger Spock feel and express his emotions at the loss of his planet and his mother, because Spock due to his logical nature and by the book approach was not going to do what was necessary to stop the Romulans whereas Kirk was more willing to throw out logic, damn the rules and do what is necessary rather than by the book and be more likely to save the Earth.
And the likelihood burying the pain and anger he felt at his mom's death and the loss of his people would cause Spock to blow up in another way and it could get everyone in the Enterprise killed.
This scene is much deeper than most realize. Spock is half human & he's trying his damnedest not to feel anything. Kirk was doing Spock a favor by forcing him to actually process what just happened to his home world, his fellow Vulcans & his mother.
Drew Splove agreed. If Spock hadn’t broken down then are there, he definitely would have later, and that would probably have made things much worse. Kirk went a bit too far, maybe, but he had to.
Spock is such a hypocrite. He deserves it after making a remark in the beginning of the film about Kirk’s dad when Kirk beat his test. He deserves that.
Ever been so angry that you don't want to talk about it but have someone keep saying what's wrong. And then you just let all that anger out at once without a true sense of control. That's pretty much how it feels
And that is why I love the new Star Trek just as much as the old stuff. It was gritty, dark and so worth watching. It showed that even a Vulcan like Spock is not immune to losing everything. Damn the fact that he was half human.
This is just my opinion, but to me Kirk is Spock's "human side" and that is the reason why Spock disliked Kirk so much; because Spock is in a constant battle with his human half and when his father Sarek tells him that he indeed loved Spock's mother was when Spock was truly able to stop struggling. Again, this is just MY opinion.
+mariakai yes to sarek resolving some issues for spock but i don't think him disliking kirk has anything to do with him being human. If that was true he'd dislike his mother too and he'd never fall for a human and decide to have a relationship with her (uhura).
Wow, I actually agree with you. Anger towards certain things is often a disgust or a shame response. Spock was embarrassed perpetually by his human side. Aaand I just realized this comment was 7 years old geez lol
I swear in this scene, Pine transforms into Shatner. The tonal patterns, the mannerisms, everything; the casting folks for this movie must have been geniuses or something. Every major character in the reboot retains the mannerisms they had in the original series while at the same time being slightly different (especially McCoy and Scotty; Kelley and Doohan would be proud of Urban and Pegg's portrayals, I'm sure of it).
Sarek is so underrated in this film, so much heart. I believe Spock is even more human than Vulcan thanks to his father who, himself, is not entirely driven by logic.
He did fall in love with a human woman. They had their problems, but Amanda would often explain things to him. He didn't often get it, but she always turned out right when it came to emotions. Sarek is old enough to know how Vulcans had treated humans in the early days of their alliance (he was born 10 years after NX-Enterprise's adventures ended), which may have been a factor since he was a first-generation Vulcan to grow up with Vulcans and Humans as friends.
I would guess that some were in shock, others wanted to see where he was going with it, and maybe one or two could guess where he was going and supported him.
Regardless of which canon, I love the Trek moments that reveal that it's a damn good thing Vulcans went the logic route instead of the angry, violent route. Their Romulan brothers might make a plan a decade in advance to ruin you, but a mad Vulcan will just beat the snot out of you.
This scene breaks my heart every single time I see it. Poor Spock, I cant imagine the amount of guilt, self-loathing, anger, and possibly even survivors guilt he was carrying at that moment. From not being able to save his mother, his guilt in being the few vulcans survived and probably deep down wishing that someone else should have been taken. Not his mother. Self-loathing and doubt of his ability to 'rule' in the face of something so personal. All the while he lost control of his anger, abandoned all logic, and resorted to severe physical violence. Honestly, after all the 'transgressions' he committed I believe the hardest part for him was knowing that he lost control in front of his entire crew, but worse off the fact that Sarek witnessed the entire thing.
The problem is he's been ignoring that he has to face his feelings and Sarek has a realization that his wife *warned* him *years* ago that something like this could happen. See there's a deleted scene between Spock's parents where Amanda explains to Sarek that humans have to know when to walk away when they're in an argument because of their emotions. Vulcans *don't* walk away from an argument: they keep arguing until one side is defeated, be it by logic or by physical. And Spock has been vehemently trying to ignore his human side in favor of his more controlled Vulcan side, not understanding that it would only work for so long before the dam breaks. Sarek *didn't understand* until this moment. That's why it takes him so long to respond: he's genuinely surprised to see his son lose control like this because Amanda, even in her most emotional, never did, and she explained why. Never occurred to him that his son needed to learn to walk away too because if he doesn't someone could get killed. Spock has been dealing with his emotions in unhealthy way for a long time and the Vulcans can't help him with it because they genuinely don't know how. To them, emotions are to be controlled or purged, not accepted. It works for them, but that's because they are built differently brain-wise. Spock doesn't have the Vulcan-brain chemistry, control for him is a long-time practice and he's only 28, which is young for a Vulcan, a species that can live up to 200 years. Poor Sarek. For all he knows his son is hurting, he never realized just how much he's failed him as a father by not helping him accept he's half-human. And for all he loved Amanda, the one thing he should have known that she would know better is the one thing his kind fear: accepting the loss of control of emotions is NOT an inherit bad thing. It's part of being human, which Spock must accept he is as much as he is Vulcan.
The reason Kirk brought that out of him now, was not only to get command of the Enterprise, but to also ensure that Spock does it before he’s in the middle of a serious situation, and risks the lives of everyone on the ship because of his emotions. It was, in a weird, twisted way, the logical decision to make
@@Twocoolman115 that is after talking to old spock was it? Was it the future spock who made kirk realized what he must do? Because they become the best of friends in the end?
@@Juanito1124 yea, cause he knew even tho the timeline was different kirk needed to be the captain and old spock just straight tells him "i just saw my planet die" which gave him the hint young spock feels this too.
Hold it! Wait a Minute! Don't bring anyone's mother into this, she ain't here. If it wasn't for your mother you wouldn't be here. So remember when you put down one mother you're putting down mothers all over the world.
This Is My Name I'm taking Spock's side because I actually want to live!!!!!! If he was a 50 - foot giant, and he got angry at you....... RUN RUN RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!!!!! THEN JUST HIDE AND PRAY HE DOES NOT FIND YOU!!!!! VULCAN HEARING AFTER ALL!!!!!
If anyone was wondering why it looked like Kirk was having such a hard time fighting Spock you have to remember something. A human fighting a vulcan hand to hand is about like a human fighting a vampire. They are much stronger and resilient. The writers wanted it to also look like Spock was "pulling hits" and not hitting him full power all the time and have Kirk look like each blow was super human ( hence the pain when he blocked a punch ).
***** Not necessarily true. Genetics don't always work that way. Sometimes hybrids are superior than either parent in certain regards. A mule is a good example.
+Corey Pack That sounds like a nicely written piece of fiction and I am not trying to be rude at all, but what does this have to do with my comment lol?
Notice they fade quite a bit after Spock regains himself -they were a synonym for his blind rage and losing control until he composes himself at the end there.
Yep I remember the day I lost my shit I still can in adulthood, being bullied was one of the worst things I went through in grade school for many years I wanted to kill those bullies that hurt me. When someone tells you that you have a good soul there's a reason that you were put on this earth and that is to fuck up bullies. And defend the ones who can't fight back or that are too weak.
School social structure are kinda similar to prisons, so bad advice kid : if you don't want to get bullied, you find the biggest and meanness bully at school and started a fight with him. You don't have to win, you probably get beaten pretty bad. But after that you won't get bothered, because everyone knows you started a fight. 😁
Well... technically this was before he was the Kirk we all knew. Before he was captain, and before his mission to explore new worlds. So the inexperienced and childlism may be on character.
Someone's gonna have a hell of a time explaining all of this when they get back to Earth!!! Emotionally compromised Vulcans, cadets sneaking aboard and becoming Captain rather than ending up in the brig... oh yeah I'd've LOVED to read THAT report!!!
While you're giving Spock props for being a "total badass" keep in mind that the way he reacted here exposed his weakness and vulnerability. Kirk's intent was to purposely anger Spock so that he would then compromise his position as leader which he did and therefore allowed Kirk to take over. This only proves that in more ways than one Spock was no different from other human beings.
OMG this is so ruined. I;m so glad I didn't go see this. Sylar rules here as always up until the script forces him to join this Kirk's circle jerk. Kirk isn't even acting its just garbage slobber. How can you guys even watch this? Sylar needs to play General William Tecumseh Sherman with a really good script with all his perfection and flaw. He saved a lot of lives and pain ripping it quick and clean like that.
I love how this scene portrays how much stronger Vulcan's are compared to humans. Kirk is clearly a capable fighter but Spock simply overpowers him and goes right through him
I honestly love this scene because it packed so much, from emotion to character. And I believe no one tried to stop Spock because like Kirk himself, who instigated the whole thing, they know that this, no matter how painful to watch or in Jim's case, feel, absolutely needs to happen. Superb acting here from all the actors!
@@JamesJohnson-nm5pu On the show, when Kirk had to enrage Spock to get rid of the spores (I forget the episode name). Spock kicked him around that time too.
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@@nocturnalrecluse1216 The only time he should be crying is when watching Spock 🖖 die in the original...arguably the greatest emotional, yet noble scene ever filmed in science fiction history!
I love how Sarek and Nyota are standing next to eachother and Spock looked right at them both, he was looking at the only 2 people left in the world that he loves❤☺
I understand Kirk is provoking Spock because Spock Prime told him to. However, if many people have argued that Kirk is more of the guy that does stuff rather than a Captain/leader who makes rational decisions, why would Spock Prime not want his younger counterpart to command the Enterprise? Why does he want it to be Kirk?
+Rendersen22 because at this moment spock was making the wrong choice. the protical demanded they return report and if he pursued the bad guys spock would have felt he was attacking based on emotion or revenge. He isn't really thinking logically he just thinks he is. or in another way the logical choice was the suicidal choice. Instead Kirk knew that it was reckless to pursue the bad guys but the only real choice.
@Rendersen22 Apologies for answering your old comment question regarding why old Spock wanted to have Young Kirk be Captain of the Enterprise instead of his younger self... In the Original Star Trek, the original Spock (who is also old Spock) has stated in several episodes that he has never desired to be a starship captain. "Mirror, Mirror" is one episode in which Spock prime makes this claim. Also Spock Prime (Nimoy) tells Kirk in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", that it was a mistake for Kirk to accept an admiral position - and Spock Prime gives the original Kirk (Shatner) back the Enterprise.
Kirk was actually just trying to tell Spock to get some therapy and sacrificed his body to help Spock vent his emotion. That's what a good friend is for.
When I saw this scene in theaters, I was on literal pins and needles, because I knew Kirk was going to unleash a whole slew of insults and all manner of ways to get Spock’s blood boiling. And Kirk knew exactly how to push Spock’s buttons. And for anyone not paying attention, and who think Kirk is a regular human punching bag, I do have to point out that Vulcans, Romulans, and even Khan are all enhanced super-beings with ten times the strength of a normal human being. So, if Kirk was getting tossed around like a rag doll, it’s because against super-beings, Kirk is little more than a mere child sitting at the grownups table. And the point wasn’t to fight Spock, the point was to reveal he was emotionally compromised and therefore unfit to serve as captain of the Enterprise.
Although this isn't one of my favorite Star Trek movies, this was one of the best and most memorable scenes in the movie. showing what happens when Spock finally loses patients with you, and he is a very patient man. all you have to do is hit the right nerve
Gabriel Rodriguez Tumblr aside, I was more thinking along the lines of Kirk being an annoying fuckwad in this movie and him getting his ass handed to him was an enjoyable experience. But I guess the Kirk/Spock fangirls would enjoy it for that reason.
In Vulcan's distant past (before Surak) they were not only this violent, but had it been a classical Vulcan, Kirk would have been killed swiftly. This is the best example of what a Vulcan can be and because Spock is half human, it makes him even stronger. Look up Voyager where Tuvok had to have his emotional control disabled so he could be treated. Tuvok and Spock both show what Vulcans were once.
I like how everybody gets on his case for like beating the crap out of Kirk, but they don't take into account the fact that he has held in all of his emotions for years in order to compete to get where he is, his race is all about statistics, emotions can hardly be a variable on his work
Boy imagine watching your mother, the woman you love most in your life get murdered in front you, then have someone tell you that you never loved her implying you never cared enough about her… i’d be infuriated too.
Kirk does actually bring up a good point, Spock says that fear is necessary but a Vulcan wouldn’t feel that so Spock would not really be fit for command
his father waited quite some time before telling his son to stop.
+adamcrookedsmile Because he thought Spock, with his logic and self-control, would quickly refrain from letting his emotions get the best of him but he was wrong.
e. davian
I should have put a smiley on that post.
because the guyy was slagging of his species his wife and his son no harm in letting him get a bit beaten just stop him from getting killed. lol
>his father
ಠ_ಠ
plot demanded it so it would look like Kirk would die but he his the main character, and we needed more Star Trek movies anyway
What people forget about Vulcans is that they're aren't unemotional. They're actually intensely, destructively emotional, which is why they've adopted a philosophy of keeping their feelings under tight control. When that control breaks, it breaks hard.
That's why no one tries to stop him physically: he could easily overpower them. Savek did the right thing to wait it out a bit because he could see when Spock was not able to listen until the right moment. I'm sure he would have done the nerve pinch on his own son if he had to.
Vulcan vs Romulans?
You’re making an argument for a garbage script/ garbage movie.
@@t7489 and that's all you can say because that's how much your brain can publish.
YASSSSSSSSS....was just explaining this to a non-tekkie
I love how no one even tries to do anything to stop it except Sarek.
And even he kinda took his sweet time waiting to say something...
Yeah I know, that always used to piss me off years ago, not even Bones or Sulu intervened.
And Kirk completely gets away with eliciting the violent response too! Starfleet is absolutely batshit.
That's cause they didn't wanna get their asses kicked too.
Surely that's why they have security guys... and phasers :P
The way spock dismantles Kirk with his rage induced martial art is fascinating
vulcans are just a lot stronger than humans, in the original series, kirk said spock was twice as strong as him. So, spock didn't need any training to completely overwhelm kirk - it was like a grown man attacking a child.
Yeah, “dismantle” is exactly the word for it. That was an absolute beat-down, Kirk just had no answer to any of it.
"...fascinating..."
Indeed 😁
I wanna learn the Rage induced martial art😂
I love the acting at 0:29. Just the slightest delay of Spock's answer "...yes of course I did." It shows the beginning of his emotion breaking under Kirk's questioning. Good directing. Good acting.
"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in a storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man."
nice☺
+David Ellison Patrick Rothfuss, out of place reference but a well-made one.
+David Ellison when is the doors of stone going to be released??
You forgot an angry girlfriend
I'm suprisd that Line hasent been used in any si fi movie with a Kind Hero that has an inner rage like, Spock , The Doctor from Dr Who or Picard.
is it just me or is this movie about Chris pine getting his ass kicked by everyone
Someone needs to do a compilation video of all the times he gets punched/beaten up in this movie or all the movies. XD
There's one already it's titled " It's not easy being James T Kirk" or something along those lines.
James Johnson Couldn't find it with that title :P
It is to show that Kirk had to go through some ass-whippings before he became the man he was. You are not born tough or a good fighter, it is practice getting your ass-whipped. :)
luis marquez yet despite all the beatings, he still stands tall
i love how no one stepped in when Kirk was getting strangled to death by a pissed Vulcan
They all knew he overstepped and had it coming. When not even Bones steps up to do anything you know Jim has done some stupid shit.
I wouldn't either
Emily Pyles Yeah, true. If the others knew WHY Jim had to get Spock to snap, for his sake and the crew’s, I doubt they would have stopped Spock due to how he and Jim had been coming to a head for a while since their days at the Academy.
Half human, mind you, that’s probably why Kirk managed to block some of spocks hits
They were takings bets to see if Spock would snap him in half.
Wait....Kirk's called Jim, hes slim and spock snapped.
Spock: SNAP INTO A SLIMJIM!
The moment Spock says Step away from me' you know it's gonna get serious
Magic Goldfish
Yeah it's like "Kiiiirrrrrk!!!!! Step awayyyyyyyy!!!! He's getting angry!!!!"
The way u texted u not exactly all their either smh he didn't mention his mother yet so for u to say this u in a small world just like spock here just think on this...just saying
That was his last warning lol
Xelayans can probably solo vulcans in combat
That cough sounded painful.
I wonder if they actually had to choke him to get that out XD
I heard breathing hurts for a while after that.
Natasha Price Nah, it's pretty easy to fake a choking fit.
Anyone think it was done in adr? Possibly by a different voice actor?
@@robinelms1143 Most likely.
Spock is what happens when you manage to royally piss off the nicest people.
I love it. This comment gives me life.
Chelesea Boone Good to hear :D
+KaregoAt "Demons run when a good man goes to war."
Yeah exactly. And don't forget, Superman, whenever Superman gets angry everything goes south in the comics and films.
+KaregoAt Nice people aren't used to getting angry, so they are a lot worse at controlling or throttling it when pushed over the edge. someone who is angry all the time is a far less scary proposition. It's probably even worse for Spock because even the nicest human has some experience with their anger. I'm surprised Kirk is alive.
Lens flares. Lens flares everywhere.
Meh, I barely notice them anymore.
I always start counting them when I start watching this film then I give up cos there’s too many
Well, that's Abrams for ya
These flares ruin this otherwise great movie.
Makes you wonder how anyone can even see on that Apple store of a ship.
People need to quit saying "Kirk is a bully" and any variation of that, lol. If you watched the movie you know that he HAD to say those things to provoke Spock into lashing out and relinquising his control to Kirk because despite being fucked up emotionally on the inside and unlikely to make the best decisions, no one could tell because of his amazing pokerface.
How true. The older Spock told Kirk he needed to make the younger Spock feel and express his emotions at the loss of his planet and his mother, because Spock due to his logical nature and by the book approach was not going to do what was necessary to stop the Romulans whereas Kirk was more willing to throw out logic, damn the rules and do what is necessary rather than by the book and be more likely to save the Earth.
And what if he blew up on some unexpecting person
Welcome to war. You can't save everyone, even the innocent.
Salene Brom thats why Kirk was the one to do it. You can’t wait until the heat of the moment when Spock does break.
And the likelihood burying the pain and anger he felt at his mom's death and the loss of his people would cause Spock to blow up in another way and it could get everyone in the Enterprise killed.
Shit goes down when the quiet one snaps.
Exactly
Thùy-Anh Thái me in middle school basically
Thùy-Anh Thái It's the quiet ones no one notices. I make it a point to pick them out. This is exactly what their capable of
Demons run when a good man goes to war
Watch out for the quiet ones.
You can insult his ears, you can insult his eyebrows, but when you insult his love for his mother, you're dead.
I think that's anybody in general. Insult anyone's mother, and you're dead. Lol
I'm glad that Kirk didn't use that Spock's family were robots or Spock really would've flipped out.
Or his FATHER!
Martha.
Sorry, can't resist the temptation.
Yeah it was necessary, but so screwed up
This scene is much deeper than most realize. Spock is half human & he's trying his damnedest not to feel anything. Kirk was doing Spock a favor by forcing him to actually process what just happened to his home world, his fellow Vulcans & his mother.
Drew Splove agreed. If Spock hadn’t broken down then are there, he definitely would have later, and that would probably have made things much worse. Kirk went a bit too far, maybe, but he had to.
Scene slaps even harder when you realize this referenced one of the episodes from the TV series.
Uhhhh obviously lol, that’s established before this scene even takes place
Spock is such a hypocrite. He deserves it after making a remark in the beginning of the film about Kirk’s dad when Kirk beat his test.
He deserves that.
100%
I wonder what it must be like to have someone FORCE you to feel emotion. That must be pretty godamm painful
Well he wasn't technically human my guy just saying something's were left out if u kinda wanna say so
Ever been so angry that you don't want to talk about it but have someone keep saying what's wrong. And then you just let all that anger out at once without a true sense of control. That's pretty much how it feels
And that is why I love the new Star Trek just as much as the old stuff. It was gritty, dark and so worth watching. It showed that even a Vulcan like Spock is not immune to losing everything. Damn the fact that he was half human.
You done hit it! You done hit it on the head!
This is just my opinion, but to me Kirk is Spock's "human side" and that is the reason why Spock disliked Kirk so much; because Spock is in a constant battle with his human half and when his father Sarek tells him that he indeed loved Spock's mother was when Spock was truly able to stop struggling. Again, this is just MY opinion.
+mariakai yes to sarek resolving some issues for spock but i don't think him disliking kirk has anything to do with him being human. If that was true he'd dislike his mother too and he'd never fall for a human and decide to have a relationship with her (uhura).
Wow, I actually agree with you. Anger towards certain things is often a disgust or a shame response. Spock was embarrassed perpetually by his human side. Aaand I just realized this comment was 7 years old geez lol
I agree with you.
Well said - I love this theory
Only in the stupid reboot 🥾 🥾🥾!...not in the original.
I swear in this scene, Pine transforms into Shatner. The tonal patterns, the mannerisms, everything; the casting folks for this movie must have been geniuses or something. Every major character in the reboot retains the mannerisms they had in the original series while at the same time being slightly different (especially McCoy and Scotty; Kelley and Doohan would be proud of Urban and Pegg's portrayals, I'm sure of it).
Clones
Fun fact, when Nimoy visited the set urban’s accent was so spot on that he shed a tear for the actor who played him.
@@AtticTapes14 lol No, they're not.
@@bradydavis5791 visually at least theyre better
@@bradydavis5791 they look better
Sarek is so underrated in this film, so much heart. I believe Spock is even more human than Vulcan thanks to his father who, himself, is not entirely driven by logic.
He did fall in love with a human woman. They had their problems, but Amanda would often explain things to him. He didn't often get it, but she always turned out right when it came to emotions. Sarek is old enough to know how Vulcans had treated humans in the early days of their alliance (he was born 10 years after NX-Enterprise's adventures ended), which may have been a factor since he was a first-generation Vulcan to grow up with Vulcans and Humans as friends.
who underrated him? what was his rating?
I guess old Spock left out the part where the angry Vulcan attempts to murder you.
He knew it was coming but it needed to happen or he might have exploded on someone not expecting it
kirk i hold him back but he is strong in arm and broke my arm and have to have a aploizie
Can attest to that. Who ever coined Vulcans probably met a Family Member.
Different timeline. This never happened in Spock Prime's timeline.
It will be forgotten(maybe not) when pon farr comes! :)
"YOU NEVER LOVED HER"
"MAAAAAAAA".
Why did no one stop him lol
Jack O'Neill The centre of his aggression was Kirk. I'd imagine someone could calm him down.
Jack O'Neill Not after he half throttled Kirk to death.
CHIN CHIN
Because Kirk was behaving like an ashhole
maldicientin Still. \(:/)/
I would guess that some were in shock, others wanted to see where he was going with it, and maybe one or two could guess where he was going and supported him.
Regardless of which canon, I love the Trek moments that reveal that it's a damn good thing Vulcans went the logic route instead of the angry, violent route. Their Romulan brothers might make a plan a decade in advance to ruin you, but a mad Vulcan will just beat the snot out of you.
This scene breaks my heart every single time I see it.
Poor Spock, I cant imagine the amount of guilt, self-loathing, anger, and possibly even survivors guilt he was carrying at that moment.
From not being able to save his mother, his guilt in being the few vulcans survived and probably deep down wishing that someone else should have been taken. Not his mother.
Self-loathing and doubt of his ability to 'rule' in the face of something so personal. All the while he lost control of his anger, abandoned all logic, and resorted to severe physical violence.
Honestly, after all the 'transgressions' he committed I believe the hardest part for him was knowing that he lost control in front of his entire crew, but worse off the fact that Sarek witnessed the entire thing.
The problem is he's been ignoring that he has to face his feelings and Sarek has a realization that his wife *warned* him *years* ago that something like this could happen.
See there's a deleted scene between Spock's parents where Amanda explains to Sarek that humans have to know when to walk away when they're in an argument because of their emotions. Vulcans *don't* walk away from an argument: they keep arguing until one side is defeated, be it by logic or by physical. And Spock has been vehemently trying to ignore his human side in favor of his more controlled Vulcan side, not understanding that it would only work for so long before the dam breaks.
Sarek *didn't understand* until this moment. That's why it takes him so long to respond: he's genuinely surprised to see his son lose control like this because Amanda, even in her most emotional, never did, and she explained why. Never occurred to him that his son needed to learn to walk away too because if he doesn't someone could get killed.
Spock has been dealing with his emotions in unhealthy way for a long time and the Vulcans can't help him with it because they genuinely don't know how. To them, emotions are to be controlled or purged, not accepted. It works for them, but that's because they are built differently brain-wise. Spock doesn't have the Vulcan-brain chemistry, control for him is a long-time practice and he's only 28, which is young for a Vulcan, a species that can live up to 200 years.
Poor Sarek. For all he knows his son is hurting, he never realized just how much he's failed him as a father by not helping him accept he's half-human. And for all he loved Amanda, the one thing he should have known that she would know better is the one thing his kind fear: accepting the loss of control of emotions is NOT an inherit bad thing. It's part of being human, which Spock must accept he is as much as he is Vulcan.
@@girl1213 Damn, this was well written. Nicely done.
At least Spock realizes that he is "emotionally compromised" and unfit for duty.
Agreed
The reason Kirk brought that out of him now, was not only to get command of the Enterprise, but to also ensure that Spock does it before he’s in the middle of a serious situation, and risks the lives of everyone on the ship because of his emotions. It was, in a weird, twisted way, the logical decision to make
@@Twocoolman115 that is after talking to old spock was it? Was it the future spock who made kirk realized what he must do? Because they become the best of friends in the end?
@@Juanito1124 yea, cause he knew even tho the timeline was different kirk needed to be the captain and old spock just straight tells him "i just saw my planet die" which gave him the hint young spock feels this too.
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Okay. Lesson learned: Never piss off a Vulcan. Even a half-Vulcan. And never talk about a Vulcan's momma. That's a death sentence.
hahahahahaha😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He kinda had to or risk Spock exploding on someone not expecting it
Hold it! Wait a Minute!
Don't bring anyone's mother into this, she ain't here. If it wasn't for your mother you wouldn't be here.
So remember when you put down one mother you're putting down mothers all over the world.
This Is My Name That's racist
This Is My Name
I'm taking Spock's side because I actually want to live!!!!!! If he was a 50 - foot giant, and he got angry at you....... RUN RUN RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN!!!!!!! THEN JUST HIDE AND PRAY HE DOES NOT FIND YOU!!!!! VULCAN HEARING AFTER ALL!!!!!
R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy (1931-2015) and Anton Yelchin (1989-2016) 😢👼
this is actually really sad, I feel so bad for spock, but at least he got to kick someone's ass
Don't fock with Spock.
Vincent Harold or you'll get smock
you don't want to get sock in the jock
......FROM SPOCK! lol....
Are you out of your Vulcan mind?
Yeeeee team spock 😉😉😉 in the house
1:24 that hint of a smile out of spock must scared Kirk shitless
"I'd rather not take sides" (smiles) Lol! :D
If anyone was wondering why it looked like Kirk was having such a hard time fighting Spock you have to remember something. A human fighting a vulcan hand to hand is about like a human fighting a vampire. They are much stronger and resilient. The writers wanted it to also look like Spock was "pulling hits" and not hitting him full power all the time and have Kirk look like each blow was super human ( hence the pain when he blocked a punch ).
***** Not necessarily true. Genetics don't always work that way. Sometimes hybrids are superior than either parent in certain regards. A mule is a good example.
+Josheph Muney You sure about that? Usually hybrids have the combined benefits of both parents, such as Blade the half human, half vampire.
+Corey Pack That sounds like a nicely written piece of fiction and I am not trying to be rude at all, but what does this have to do with my comment lol?
What I want to know is why in the hell no one even tried to stop him from attacking Kirk.
Vampires aren't real
Kirk must be the toughest man in the universe of Star Trek...
...he survived a pissed-off Spock.
my favorite part was at 1:38 where you can't see shit because the screen goes completely white.
betotrono it’s not a phase mom, it’s art
Now that is quality film making.
Obscure Entertainment that wasn't in the movie when I watched it
Star Trek starring lens flares?
Why do these flashes keep happening?
This always makes me really happy. I have no idea why.
why
+serial killer ghost dude i don't know, i love spock and yet here i am
+Alexia Westerterp he was killing kirk you idiot
You are a female, so you are probably happy because Spock finally let himself feel something. :)
Yes. Satisfying!
If this was real the first punch would of broken his jaw.
What about when he got him in the throat?? :O
Robert Harper It probably would break his jaw. Spock's fingers are not going to get away scotch free as well. There is a reason boxers wore gloves.
really
Could have just dislocated it.
starcrafter13terran
Vulcans are *atleast* 2x stronger on average than humans. And stronger bones.
Holy shit that lens flare covered up the entire screen. 1:38
I actually really like the lens flares..
I know its the directors signature on the Lens Flares. but he gets a tad happy with them in this scene eh?
Notice they fade quite a bit after Spock regains himself -they were a synonym for his blind rage and losing control until he composes himself at the end there.
that one quiet kid vs school no.1 bully
Zefanya Lt so true!
Yep I remember the day I lost my shit I still can in adulthood, being bullied was one of the worst things I went through in grade school for many years I wanted to kill those bullies that hurt me. When someone tells you that you have a good soul there's a reason that you were put on this earth and that is to fuck up bullies. And defend the ones who can't fight back or that are too weak.
School social structure are kinda similar to prisons, so bad advice kid : if you don't want to get bullied, you find the biggest and meanness bully at school and started a fight with him. You don't have to win, you probably get beaten pretty bad. But after that you won't get bothered, because everyone knows you started a fight. 😁
I kinda like the whole lens flare thing, though. It makes me feel like I'm on the ship.
@Micah Johansson I really hate the lens flares. In real life there wouldn't be so much lens flare in that room.
I watched the movie 2 or 3 times and never paid attention to the lens flares. Now that everyone is so fixed on it. I can't stop seeing them lol
Jack Shoggoth But you’re under the point of view of a camera, too...
I've never had lens flare on my eyes. Not realistic unless you're wearing glasses and you purposefully keep catching the angle.
I think they got too excessive on board the ship, but I love the use of them in space.
when you bring in mothers to a fight it gets real
Spocks mom is martha also
Patrick Rothfuss - 'There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man.'
Thats the one thing I don't like about the New Star Trek films, Kirk gets his ass beat by Every damn person xD
Yeah bur Spock was always a good fighter so it doesnt come as too much suprise that he whooped kirk
@@andrealexander1796 also, vulcans are much stronger than humans
Well... technically this was before he was the Kirk we all knew. Before he was captain, and before his mission to explore new worlds. So the inexperienced and childlism may be on character.
Okay name all the people who beat him up then
Spock is much stronger than him. Even in the original series
JJ Adams is goofy that way.
In the TV series when Spock goes apesht they usually dive in mob handed and sedate him.
Man I was really hoping Kirk would start going to Yo-Momma jokes
Yo mama so fat, that when she walks by the tv, you miss the entire show!
Ha ha ha, that was a good one.
My sides.Call the Doctor...
Yo mama so ugly, she could be a modern art masterpiece.
yo mama so illogical that she think the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many
Someone's gonna have a hell of a time explaining all of this when they get back to Earth!!! Emotionally compromised Vulcans, cadets sneaking aboard and becoming Captain rather than ending up in the brig... oh yeah I'd've LOVED to read THAT report!!!
Ridiculous, immature, childish and worst of all undisciplined, isn't it?...obviously they would all be fired!
Spock is a total badass
he is
While you're giving Spock props for being a "total badass" keep in mind that the way he reacted here exposed his weakness and vulnerability. Kirk's intent was to purposely anger Spock so that he would then compromise his position as leader which he did and therefore allowed Kirk to take over. This only proves that in more ways than one Spock was no different from other human beings.
Sims3loser, The Awkward Simmer never mess with Steve Trevor
Livingston
Typical "powerhouse is actually weak because he's a powerhouse" logic.
OMG this is so ruined. I;m so glad I didn't go see this. Sylar rules here as always up until the script forces him to join this Kirk's circle jerk. Kirk isn't even acting its just garbage slobber. How can you guys even watch this? Sylar needs to play General William Tecumseh Sherman with a really good script with all his perfection and flaw. He saved a lot of lives and pain ripping it quick and clean like that.
BEST scene in the movie.
I'm not even really into Star Trek, but I still remember that line "It must not even compute for you! You NEVER loved her!!"
Me neither. My parents merely introduced me to the reboot, instead of the original
I love how everyone else just stands there. LOL
Dont mess with an angry vulcan
Rina Quinto An Angry half human half Vulcan
Lucas Thepeach Truthfully, neither would I.🤣
I love how this scene portrays how much stronger Vulcan's are compared to humans. Kirk is clearly a capable fighter but Spock simply overpowers him and goes right through him
This Kirk is much weaker than the Shatner Kirk.
@@YD-uq5fiyou may be right but neither William Shatner nor Chris Pine’s Captain Kirk would be able to take on Spock
Ye vulcans are roughly 10 times stronger than humans. Kirk can fight but you can't overcome that strength disadvantage
@@johndanvers2379I thought it was approx 3 times stronger?
So it's like fighting a silverback. I don't like those odds.
Chris Pines violent coughing is some supreme acting
I've seen this a million times, but I hold my breath every time. That what I love so much about this scene!
Just keep holding your breath, next time. This world will be a better place, as a consequence.
I honestly love this scene because it packed so much, from emotion to character. And I believe no one tried to stop Spock because like Kirk himself, who instigated the whole thing, they know that this, no matter how painful to watch or in Jim's case, feel, absolutely needs to happen. Superb acting here from all the actors!
1:10
Kirk: Harder Daddy
Spock: What
Kirk: What
Yes
Brilliant 😂
There's always one guy like you in the comments section
Anakin: *force chokes*
Padmé: harder daddy
Obi Wan: what
Anakin: what
Padmé: what?
Oh my😆
Kirk was all 'Last time I *ever* throw a fight'.
With Spock.
@@JamesJohnson-nm5pu On the show, when Kirk had to enrage Spock to get rid of the spores (I forget the episode name). Spock kicked him around that time too.
Take a shot for every lens flare in this scene
My bro took that challenge and now he's dead! lol
My bro took that challenge and now he's dead! lol
My bro took that challenge and now he's dead! lol
@@philippaul6039 you have a lot of bros. Had, at least.
I can't stop watching this scene. I love how ineffective Kirk's attempts to defend himself are. Spock has him touching everything in the room, LOL.
Pretty cool that older spock told young kirk to instigate a confrontation with young spock for good reasons
Dem lens flares doe.
DICE and EA present...
BATTLEFIEL-- oh wait, what? It's not battlefield? How the fuck is it not battlefield, that's all that makes us money anymore? Ugh, fine.
DICE and EA present...
STAR TrEK FIELD 5
+Raul Mejia A lens flare to the eye was the only thing that kept Spock from killing Kirk.
Vulcans are roughly three times stronger than humans.
Impressive that Kirk isn’t unconscious with many broken bones
this scene made me cry because you could really see spock, that he really is emotionally damaged!
Are you a chick or just have lots of estrogen?
@@nocturnalrecluse1216 The only time he should be crying is when watching Spock 🖖 die in the original...arguably the greatest emotional, yet noble scene ever filmed in science fiction history!
I love how Sarek and Nyota are standing next to eachother and Spock looked right at them both, he was looking at the only 2 people left in the world that he loves❤☺
This made the rest of the crew look unprofessional. Just standing there like this was a High School fight.
Exactly. Apparently in the JJ universe, captains can just beat someone on the bridge to death without the crew intervening.
I would never want to mess with spock
Nehwon Mantor
Me neither. I want to live, thank you very much.
Nehwon Mantor I just explain it to him in private with a mind-meld you know you have my permission to know that my mind everything will be fine
Thats what a Real Friend do.
The most terrifying thing a person can face is the wrath of a patient man
I understand Kirk is provoking Spock because Spock Prime told him to. However, if many people have argued that Kirk is more of the guy that does stuff rather than a Captain/leader who makes rational decisions, why would Spock Prime not want his younger counterpart to command the Enterprise? Why does he want it to be Kirk?
Because instinct sometimes needs to override logic
+Rendersen22 because at this moment spock was making the wrong choice. the protical demanded they return report and if he pursued the bad guys spock would have felt he was attacking based on emotion or revenge. He isn't really thinking logically he just thinks he is. or in another way the logical choice was the suicidal choice. Instead Kirk knew that it was reckless to pursue the bad guys but the only real choice.
@Rendersen22 Apologies for answering your old comment question regarding why old Spock wanted to have Young Kirk be Captain of the Enterprise instead of his younger self...
In the Original Star Trek, the original Spock (who is also old Spock) has stated in several episodes that he has never desired to be a starship captain. "Mirror, Mirror" is one episode in which Spock prime makes this claim. Also Spock Prime (Nimoy) tells Kirk in "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", that it was a mistake for Kirk to accept an admiral position - and Spock Prime gives the original Kirk (Shatner) back the Enterprise.
Rendersen22 because Spock prime was going based on the knowledge from his timeline and in his timeline Kirk was the better captain
Kirk gained control of the Enterprise with a “ur mom” remark
*spock lands the first punch*
Kirk: well got his attention....what the hell was step 2
"Demons run when a good man goes to war"
Kirk was actually just trying to tell Spock to get some therapy and sacrificed his body to help Spock vent his emotion. That's what a good friend is for.
When I saw this scene in theaters, I was on literal pins and needles, because I knew Kirk was going to unleash a whole slew of insults and all manner of ways to get Spock’s blood boiling. And Kirk knew exactly how to push Spock’s buttons. And for anyone not paying attention, and who think Kirk is a regular human punching bag, I do have to point out that Vulcans, Romulans, and even Khan are all enhanced super-beings with ten times the strength of a normal human being. So, if Kirk was getting tossed around like a rag doll, it’s because against super-beings, Kirk is little more than a mere child sitting at the grownups table. And the point wasn’t to fight Spock, the point was to reveal he was emotionally compromised and therefore unfit to serve as captain of the Enterprise.
I wish they had that iconic fight music theme in the background, that would have been BADASS!!!
When he said; you never loved her... man that was low... I totally agree with Spock
Well, he needed to get an emotional response. It was still screwed tho
It must be the hardest thing for a Vulcan to accept & admit to being emotionally compromised.
Excellent acting. I've watched this scene over and over again. Just love the acting in this scene
Although this isn't one of my favorite Star Trek movies, this was one of the best and most memorable scenes in the movie. showing what happens when Spock finally loses patients with you, and he is a very patient man. all you have to do is hit the right nerve
Let's be honest: We all enjoyed this scene for an entirely different reason than intended by the writers.
"choke me daddy"
"excuse me?"
;) spirk shippers from tumblr be like:
I see immature people. Meep.
If by "we all"; you mean, sick fucks, then yes. JK, you are just slightly sick fucks.
Gabriel Rodriguez Tumblr aside, I was more thinking along the lines of Kirk being an annoying fuckwad in this movie and him getting his ass handed to him was an enjoyable experience.
But I guess the Kirk/Spock fangirls would enjoy it for that reason.
***** Meh. Shippers gonna ship.
I love how vulcans look so unassuming. Youd think theyre all just intellectuals... Until you catch their hands!
nah, that beating was his human side coming out in full force oml
"Compromised?", You should learn the Vulcan way from Picard!
Yes.
In Vulcan's distant past (before Surak) they were not only this violent, but had it been a classical Vulcan, Kirk would have been killed swiftly. This is the best example of what a Vulcan can be and because Spock is half human, it makes him even stronger. Look up Voyager where Tuvok had to have his emotional control disabled so he could be treated. Tuvok and Spock both show what Vulcans were once.
@@deathstrike wh40k author are jerk good god astartes is privatized now...sux
@@deathstrike I remember that episode he kept killing in the Helo deck 😏
that tiiiiiny eye twitch at 0:47... Kudos mr. Quinto!
JJ sure loves those freaking lights
Damn, Kirk just got the sh*t kicked out of him.
A lot of folks dislike the Kelvin timeline, I love it.
I can't even.... omg, this scene gets me EVERY TIME!
I like how everybody gets on his case for like beating the crap out of Kirk, but they don't take into account the fact that he has held in all of his emotions for years in order to compete to get where he is, his race is all about statistics, emotions can hardly be a variable on his work
This was Spock's, "Don't you talk about my momma!" moment. 😂
Boy imagine watching your mother, the woman you love most in your life get murdered in front you, then have someone tell you that you never loved her implying you never cared enough about her… i’d be infuriated too.
The little eye twitch at 0:41 😱🥵🥵
Note to self: Never piss off a Vulcan.
Unless you want to take command of the ship and save the federation.
Spock (pon farr) vs Kirk in star trek 3 i'm calling it.
Sarek didn't call down Spock because he was pummeling Kirk, he called him down because he was showing his humanity.
Kirk does actually bring up a good point, Spock says that fear is necessary but a Vulcan wouldn’t feel that so Spock would not really be fit for command
Jim: "Yo mama..."
Spock: "TODAY YOU DIE..."
The original Spock knew Kirk had to be the one to do it when no one else did
"SPOCK! ...You haven't kneed him in the groin yet!"
1:39
The whole screen is lens flare.
Real sh*t
I recall seeing this scene at the cinema when it came out and it is still vivid in my head.
the problems with vulcans is that by denying any human emotions ever ,when a human emotion arises
these vulcans lose their mind!
My favorite scene in the whole movie! Thank goodness Sarek was on the bridge!
I couldn't tell what happened in this scene. I was too busy getting a seizure from the lens flares. Jesus Christ JJ Abrams.