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Once again we see the culture war generating all sorts of new "experts" that talk talk and talk about stuff they have never cared about nor read anything about for their entire life.
Surnames and Feudal Japan is a highly misunderstood topic, mostly due to myths that have become "facts" but also the wrong interpretation of Edo period laws that were indeed passed by the government when it comes to surnames and the general non samurai population.
On this video I'll try my best to clarify a few factors, but differently from the culture war vultures, I'll present period evidence to confirm my takes on this matter.
If you have any further question please feel free to let me know in the comments below.
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You are excellent, but I think your followers are right in disagreeing that correct opinions that ridicule black samurai are equally wrong as wrong opinions about black samurai.
FRom Brasil, Obrigado.
Loved the break from ear torture at 10:22
Honestly I don't care if the gain would be bad and sound like ham radio like many people do, but the echo here is SHARP, damn. Blink twice if a complete Roman phalanx is forcing you to do this at the point of their most terrifying weapon: the shields.
The sound had an echo that made it hard for me to hear with clarity in your video today.
After finishing the serries, I read the novel and started a very cursory investigation into Japanese history. I was wondering if you as a historian , would comment on one pressing question both the novel and the subject of Yasuke raised. How often was it when a Diamio elevated anyone to the rank of Samuria?
Just based on logic alone, it would appear to me that the fact "farmers had surnames too" doesn't contradict the idea that "samurai all had surnames", which is the argument some people are making, they are not saying "farmers don't have surnames" but rather "Yasuke would've had a recorded surname if he was a samurai". Not saying this is how it is cuz I'm no expert in Japanese history, but that's what the real argument is to me.
Look up how Yasuke got his name.
Yeah. If he contribute significantly as "legendary samurai", how the hyped from the woke claim about then why his records are next to none? Shouldnt he have statues of him, proper historical data of his name etc, etc if he is "legendary"? But no we dont have all those. Just modern western politic using this as a tool
@@shadowone01x99 Yeah, someone basically basically took have of the word for "darkness" and added "suke" to it, which means that Oda Nobunaga reincarnated as Rick James.
@@InfernosReaper 弥助 would translate as "massive servant", no reference to darkness that I can find
@@mrarmaggedon31415926 Are you sure? I can't find anything in my dictionary or online translation to indicate that
Meanwhile, I do know that his skin tone was his big draw and many Japanese love wordplay, especially using combining 1 word with a partial or 2+ partial words to make a new word.
My favorite's a combination of "baka" and "chiwawa" which comes out to "bakachi"
As a Japanese, what pisses me off the most about Assassins Creed Shadows is not the game itself, but the behavior of UBI.
If they had said, "This is fiction, a fantasy work that hypothetically imagines what would happen if the mysterious black man Yasuke were a samurai," many Japanese people would have been convinced.
Even though the sloppy historical research and settings have been pointed out over and over again, they still boast that "Yasuke is a historical figure in Japan and the strongest legendary samurai."
To be honest, Yasuke is not such a person. He was certainly the legendary "Nobunaga's black pet," but nothing more and nothing less.
Some people claim that he was Nobunaga's bodyguard, but in reality, far from protecting Nobunaga's life, he escaped from Honnoji Temple with the maids and monks.
On top of that, after being captured by Akechi Mitsuhide, he was returned with the words, "Yasuke is a animal not worth killing. Send him to a Nanban temple."
In the first place, there is no way that a tool carrier who was not even given a surname could be a samurai.
This is something that every Japanese person knows, but UBI has no qualms about distorting history as if they were witnesses to it.
This behavior is infuriating.
I still think Yasuke was a bodyguard and had a very comfortable life
Until Oda died
@@badfoody In feudal Japan, a guard whose lord was killed was not allowed to live.
The reason Yasuke survived was simply because "no one expected anything from Yasuke."
In other words, Yasuke was not a bodyguard.
This is an extremely plausible explanation coming from a Japanese person, so it would be good to change your perception.
My brother, start any Ubisoft game and read "This is a work of fiction [...]" before you even reach the menu.
You don't need that disclaimer to understand the Dan Brown-esque theme of the games, but they put it anyway.
When did they say strongest samurai? Also, a game about a pre human civilization with god like powers needs it to tell you it’s a work of fiction? You know, like the beginning of every AC game ever?!
Assassin's creed has never been historically accurate so it doesn't matter if yasuke is a samurai or not. The problem I have with the game is yasukes fighting style, he fights too much like a samurai for someone who learned a martial art in India, it'd be cool if maybe he can use non Japanese weapons and change his fighting style
The largest issue and biggest crime are just that Ubisoft are paying creators to say "Yauske was tots a real samurai, my dudes"
Do you feel the same way about Japanese studios who named Yasuke a samurai in Nioh 2 or samurai warriors 5???
@@legendofsaig No. The difference are that they are payed to say it as a historic fact. No one jumped around and did the same for those games.
@@grejsancoprative Ubisoft isn’t paying anybody to say he was a samurai that’s what yall dumb asses think though
@@grejsancoprative when did they say it was historic fact lmk
@@grejsancoprative Ubisoft has stated at the beginning of every Assassins creed game that they are influenced by history but THEY ARE STILL WORKS OF FICTION. If you went on ubisofts website it’s literally verbatim word for word but no you dumb fucks think yall know everything while simultaneously showing us either you haven’t played the game or too stupid the realize the text that explains this to you. Which one is it?
I'm pretty sure the argument being made isn't "Only samurai had surnames" but rather "If he was samurai, he would have had a surname".
Japanese are notorious for keeping detailed records of the warring period & Edo period
Fun fact; the origin of Samurais can be traced back to the Ainu people who were the first to master cavalry tactics in Japan. Given that ainus originated from Siberia, one can find a Russian connection with Samurai.
I agree
@@AngusMcFife-sd8cm in Serbian Samurai reads as sam u raj which means alone to heaven which could be connected to seppuku
In other words: "six of one and a half dozen of the other"? Brilliant! You're perceptive and very, very smart!
😂😂😂😂😂😅😅
Ubisoft needs to tone down the cultural appropriation.
go watch Shogun it will bring u some cultural appropriation joy
侍は世襲の武家貴族みたいなものなので必ず家名が必要です。信長が弥助に苗字を与えなかった事実が、信長は弥助を侍にするつもりがなかった証拠です。身分的には、弥助は奴隷です。信長が弥助を傍に置いたのは、黒人が珍しくて人々に見せびらかして自分の権力を誇示するためです。金持ちが珍しいモノを集めるのと同じ論理です。だから日本人の間では珍獣ペットと慕われていたんです。奴隷よりペットの方が可愛げがあるでしょ？
english channel dont write in your shitty langue and characters
@@1chibanKasugathe owner of the channel literally lived in Japan and speaks Japanese.
Maybe try looking up other cultures and languages. If you are a fan of this channel instead of being an ignorant fool.
Stop pretending to be Japanese to further your agenda
did you translate this on Google after writing it out cause you made some grammar mistakes😂
@@reallyscarus 自分達に都合の悪いコメントは全部非日本人扱いする外国人が増えて来たね。ポリコレ白人というよりも弥助偽侍信者の黒人系が多いように感じる。彼ら黒人の特徴は「泣き笑い絵文字」を多用すること。今まで何人もの黒人と議論してきたけど、殆どこの泣き笑い絵文字を多用して、おちょくるような調子で愚弄してきてまともな議論を避ける傾向がある。つまり、弥助偽侍信者たちは提示できる歴史的記録がないから、日本語の史料を読める日本人らに対しては外国人のレッテルを貼って、うちら日本人の反論を封じ込めようとするようなことをやっている。あるいはIQが違い過ぎて会話が成立しないだけかもしれない。
I thought the argument is the reversed, meaning all Samurai should have a surname, while non-samurai could have surname. If you don't have it, the lords you served should grant you a surname. Please correct me if I am misunderstanding it.
yes, Metraton's portrayal of the argument is incorrect, if I say "this animal has no sharp teeth, therefore it is not a lion", it does not entails that "all animals with sharp teeth are lions". Saying that common people could have surnames does not refutes the objection, for that you should have provided proof that a person without a surname could be samurai regardless
@@TheDarklugia123 All the "Yasuke is samurai" arguments were spoken on the basis of "you can't prove that he is definitely not a samurai", which is already laughable to begin with. It should be, the other way round, that you should prove that he is a samurai first, but not by editing wiki LOL. And also, it is completely OK to make a non-samurai Yasuke as main character, as non-samurai can also fight as a retainer, and be a cool "assassin". But, they can't hold themselves to tie the cool name of "samurai" to Yasuke even without enough evidence. AC is fictional, yeah, but depriving realism for the sake of agenda, and calling people out for criticizing this action? Mad.
@@michaelay4900 Japan Rejects it.
@@arnowisp6244 Anyone should. Wouldn't play it even if it's free
@@michaelay4900 Even if we use the "I don't care" logic, we still end up going back to the original question of "why bother making him the main character?"
I'm sure there are more interesting main characters out there, and I know why Western companies can't change the main character from anyone else.
The "I don't care" logic is silencing any discussion of a better main character, which is Western politics and an insult to Japan.
the argument is not that only samurai had surnames, metatron, but samurai should have surname, and that would be recorded. and remember, it's recorded that the name "yasuke" itself was "given" by nobunaga. yet there's no record that nobunaga, or any other people, "gave" him surname, meaning he had no surname.
and names did change in that era. nobunaga's name was kipposhi, later saburo. ieyasu's name was takechiyo. surname could change as well, tokugawa was matsudaira. huge one is hideyoshi, from peasant kinoshita tokichiro, to samurai hashiba hideyoshi, and lastly toyotomi hideyoshi, new surname given by the emperor. all of these yasuke's peers from the same era are recorded. but yasuke? nothing? no change at all? isn't that a pointer, metatron?
next, land owning. did he own a land, or was he given a land? there is difference between these two, in the former he was a landowner, the latter he lived in nobunaga's land for his service to his lord. and was it land, or just residence? if it's land, where was it, how big was it, where's the record?
now, in the previous video you mentioned shinchokoki? do you know there are several version of it? and do you know only one, yes one, version that mention the name "yasuke"?
for god's sake, metatron, contact your japanese colleagues who are real expert in sengoku era history. actually ask them about all this. don't be like ubisoft, whose "experts" are at most questionable, at worst woke. the only expert you've contacted was lockley, who are now being heavily mocked in japan for being irresponsible in research, and even a japanese expert who was supposed to be fact checker of lockley's book said he didn't do any "exaggerrated thing" like fact checking, just a quick read and said it's ok. you mentioned clavell's book focusing on the myth of the name. well, lockley's book is considered worse than that.
メタトロンはこれに答えるべきでしょう。
まったくあなたの言うとおりです
@@alias-wave もう前のビデオにもこういうコメントを書いたが、彼は答えない。答えれないか、無視する。
Shincho Koki never mentioned about land. No record says about land regarding Yasuke. There is this book? that includes the script copied from the script book that was in the family of some bushi. And that book only tells that Yasuke got a his private HOUSE. not a land.
@@applesoda6308 thank you very much.
so the question is, where does metatron hear about land? (don't tell me it's lockey)
Was hip hop invented in feudal Japan ? When Yasuke fights he get hip hop as background music LoL .
I know, the idea was so dumb
It's historical accurate, you know.
Ubisoft forgot Yasuke was only African, not African American.
Are you serious does that actually happen in the game play or is this a joke
AC2 has electric guitar lmao.
Dude, you still have a Commodore 64 and Amiga...
Both systems I grew up with during the mid to late 1980s.
You're the real deal.
Aliens for the Commodore 64 is still the best film adaptation game ever made.
@kdolo1887 I love that game. Still have it on my C64. It really is thr best adaptation
I had a Commodore 64 and an okidata printer. When my dad gave me that stuff for Christmas I cried with joy, LOL. I had this game where you could pretend to be flying a fighter jet, and it was so bad that I never once landed it on the aircraft carrier, but I played for hours every week bc it was the first time computers had been something the average person could own. Makes me feel really old, LOL
You didn’t answer the original question, though. Whether or not only samurai had surnames wasn’t the claim, the claim was that all samurai had surnames, therefore, if he didn’t have a surname, it was likely he was not a samurai. Whether or not non samurai had surnames is irrelevant, because he didn’t have a surname. If he had a surname, you could claim that he could still not be samurai, but if it was standard for samurai to have surnames, and he was a samurai, wouldn’t he have a surname? Was it common for samurai to not have, or not use a surname?
Simple logic: Only Samurai and peasants with great achievements and recognition are allowed to use their surname in official paperwork. No surname of Yasuke is in any official document. that means he was neither Samurai nor accomplished peasant.
In fact he was and is famous in Japan as Nobunagas black pet. he was there as an atraction and amusement for Nobunagas visitors like a zoo animal. Another srong pointer he was no Samurai.
Buddy he's saying that's not a distinction, even peasants and famers had surnames so to say HE DOESN'T HAVE A SURNAME doesn't mean shi, because it that you're saying he's not a samurai but a commoner, well commoners HAD surnames aswell, so to say there is no records of his surname on records THEREFORE he WAS A COMMONER or just A NOBODY is wrong.
@@johannesg8959 "commoners HAD surnames" all of them? or only the accomplished ones?
you clearly didnt pay attention. 10:48 he clearly answered your question.
@@Yoshimitsu293 He doesnt, perhaps you will? its a preety simple one
doesn't change the fact that there is still no actual evidence of Yasuke of ever becoming a Samurai, the fault is all Ubisoft for claiming it to be historically accurate and setting of this entire debate in the 1st place.
Ubisoft has never claimed to be historically accurate they have claimed to take inspiration from historical elements😂. Don't lose your mind over a video game kid
@@reallyscarus and yet they were marketing YASUKE as Legendary Samurai. And donkeys start their wailing after that. Don't lose your mind over a ridiculous clown parade kid. They never claimed to be historically correct but heavily EMPHASIZED inspiring by historical events.
PLUS the representing a unique black man who goes around assassinate people in public must be the way to praise for the term "WORK IN THE SHADOW".
And shit, if you don't care or losing your mind over this feud you wouldn't even comment on this video. Which part of stage you are on again?
You have shown that depending on the period a commoner could have a surname, but you never touched on the problem itself. The question is could Yasuke have been a samurai without one. I would believe that you couldn't, largely because in the writings of Chikamatsu Shigenori, an early edo period samurai, he weighs several ideas regarding the origin of Shinobi. He goes over a myth where a "bird without a name" does some spying for a deity, making it the first shinobi. He discounts this idea, reasoning that the bird didn't have a name, and therefore couldn't have been a samurai, and therefore couldn't have been a shinobi. A non-samurai could have a name, but a samurai without a name was such an absurd idea to an actual samurai that he was more willing to believe that there was a talking bird that did spying, which he never contests. This doesn't necessarily mean that Yasuke wasn't given a surname, just that nobody used it in any surviving documents if he was.
You have a valid point. I think we all agree that he was very unlikely to be samurai. Idea of he was made samurai cannot be definitely ruled out, however (a non zero chance, no matter how small).
@@GuitarsRockForever "He was not a samurai" will never be ”100% true” in the future.
but While "the fact" that he was not a samurai is piling up year by year, the counterargument remains "maybe."
Of course, at the hypothesis stage, it is not confirmed as 0.
But if there is no fact, The hypothesis is will remain 0.
At present, the only way to advance the theory of being a samurai is to twist the definition of a samurai, in other words, to shift the goalposts.
The way I heard it, Oda Nobunaga was exceptional even for recognizing Yasuke as a human being and honoring him with a role in society, whereas to westerners of the time such was inconceivable. It’s one of Oda Nobunaga’s few redeeming qualities.
Samurai had surnames and swords. Myōjitaitō/苗字帯刀. They had a right to a family and an heir so they had something to die for. This was a special right reserved only for them and the nobility.
So what, Yasuke was granted a sword, right? Was he granted a wife too? The actual surname seems like a moot point in all that to me. To this day they treat foreigners’ names differently in Japan, and having a name is synonymous with being known/renowned in the language. Even just Yasuke might do - what good is a surname for only one generation; wouldn’t that come later? He died when it all went south after that anyway, no?
I’d thought 弥, the ya in Yasuke, means progressive/proceeding. You see it in miroku/弥勒, the future incarnation of Buddha yet-to-come. It suggests to me that Oda Nobunaga saw potential in playing the blacks against the whites, mostly. But I am ever the cynic.
Surname were given to landlords, doesnt mean a land lord had to be a samurai and verse verca. Low iq bait
@@Sean-tb2zz The fate of Yasuke post-Nobunaga is uncertain. What is known is that he returned to the Jesuits and from there disappeared from historical record. At that time he was recovering however.
More important in all this is that when the Sakoku Edict of 1635 was made, whatever familial legacy *any* non-Japanese samurai and their descents had was stripped from them. In addition to, any mixed-blood Japanese were expelled to Jakarta. Whatever "win" people are trying to make by claiming Yasuke *was* a samurai is fundamentally irrelevant. The only people who should care at this point are historians and people who hold an interest in honest history.
By that logic, that only Samurai were allowed to use Surnames in documents, than Yauske not having one in any official document, is indeed a strong pointer that he was no Samurai.
Yasuke being given land, a weapon, and a house is also a strong point that he is ...again there's points everywhere that's what he's saying
@@trvpmusic2569 not really cause plenty of retainers were not samurai. He was never granted a Katana which was basically a sign/symbol of ones status as a samurai he was never granted it, was never granted a surname like Hideyoshi who was a peasant by birth. 15 months never fought in any known battles nor appeared to have done anything of merit according to records it is highly unlikely that such a man an outsider at that would of been made a noble class. William Adams served for 10 years trained armies in cannon and firearms usage, participated in battles, opened trade routes for his dynamo and made him rich and after that he was granted such a title which included a Japanese name including a surname and two blades known as daishō which was traditionally what samurai wore.
@@trvpmusic2569why do you believe about in delusion
@@DustinDonald-cz9otkatana was not a symbol of Samurai until Edo-period
@@a.m928 false it was used by military nobility i.e what became the samurai class as early as 1100 AD 500 years before the Edo-Period, always been a symbol of rank and nobility.
Did anyone ever say that only samurais had surnames? I didn't even know of the myth.
Even before Hideyoshi was given the Hashiba and Toyotomi surnnames, he took the name, Kinoshita Toukichirou, which has a surname.
The point wasn't that Yasuke simply didn't have a surname, but it was that he wasn't _officially given/assigned a surname._
Even if you make the point about erasures of unofficial names and surnames, then how did we even know about "Kinoshita Toukichirou" or his even the "little monkey" nickname? I would think that if Yasuke was known by 20 other names, they would have been all recorded at least as part of history. Even if Yasuke never became as remarkable as a regent or a shogun, he was still an unusual figure in Sengoku Jidai who stood out - it would have been very unlikely that such details wouldn't have been noted.
Now the only way you could invalidate the thing about samurais with surnames is to give an example a recorded/recognized samurai without a surname in their full name... or at least that would have convinced me that samurais/nobility need not have a surname.
Cher,Elvis,Arnold,Denzel,Yasuke... No last name needed.
@@user-vw9gy4ze5l No samurai thank you.
@@user-vw9gy4ze5l Except a) west b) Presley and Schwarzenegger are iconic and Denzel Washington is almost always written with his surname because both parts on their own could apply to a handful of other things, from car brand and fairy hating jerk for the first to 3 different cities and its own US state for the second.
Yayosu, was a Dutch navigator, given the rank of Hatamoto and worked for the Tokugawas as an interpreter. No surname.
@@temperededge the hatamoto are kinda different. they'd be the ones stationed directly around the lord, so that means Yasuke would probably been considered as one too. Tokugawa then institutionalized the ranking. so in Tokugawa's time it's kinda like a government official, but not quite nobility, otherwise, they're also just retainers. the samurai class during the Edo period did transform from warriors to bureaucrats after all.
in the context of samurai and surnames, or at least the topic at hand, we're talking about nobility, not just lieutenants, guards, or ministers. also, an example from post-Sengoku Jidai (Tokugawa's era) wouldn't convince me as well as if it happened earlier, or at least around the same time as Toyotomi and Oda. historical figures who are fully Japanese who were nobility below the emperor but somehow does not have a surname are the ones i'm really looking for, since it would have served as a baseline for samurai which term wasn't quite established yet during Oda's time.
If yasuke was a Samurai, it would also meant he was a dishonorable ronin, but the historical revisionists would probably skip that part
That is very true. He lost his master and his master´s heir in the Honnoji-incident. A true samurai and a bodyguard would either have committed seppuku or would have tried to avenge his lord. Yasuke instead surrendered to Akechi Mitsuhide whose revolt forced Oda Nobunaga to commit seppuku and from the samurai point of view that kind of behavior was very disgraceful.
@Finnish well, there are records of a dark skinned guy manning a cannon, fighting alongside the people avenging Oda Nobunaga after the betrayal incident. Of course, we don't know if it was Yasuke for sure but still interesting.
@@FinnishDragon I mean, he didn't surrender, but was captured
That's why they made the pirate theory
@@chrisdiokno5600 yeah, it's pretty clear that akechi did not like him. If I was akechi I wouldn't allow him to die honorably either seeing as he was loyal to the Oda Clan. Besides, his life as a Samurai(come at me, bro) was cut short by akechi's betrayal so he wouldn't immediately know all the intricacies of samurai self deletion.
You’ve reversed the argument. “All cats are animals” doesn’t imply “all animals are cats”. I’ve never heard argued that “only samurai could have surnames”. Rather the argument is that, as part of becoming a samurai, they would be granted a surname if they were not already from a samurai family, or sometimes even to replace their previous surname.
I’m not sure how you made this mistake. Perhaps you’re taking the criticism a little too personally, and getting your dander up unnecessarily? Yes, there are jerks on the Internet, but you don’t have to match their style. Address arguments, not people. Or at least, that was my impression of what you were trying to do before, and what I appreciated.
10:48 if you listen closely then you can hear how he clearly answers the question. stop listening to the first 3min of a video and then assuming what the rest contains
He did not justify that statement, he talked about there not being a clear divide because even commoners had surnames. Not once in the video does he say that some samurai didnt have surnames except by implication when he said Yasuke might have been one despite not having one recorded in history.
@@Yoshimitsu293Did you mishear what he said? His argument was precisely what I articulated, that because some non-samurai may have had surnames, that invalidates the argument that Yasuke wasn’t a samurai because he wasn’t given a surname. It’s a basic syllogistic fallacy. “Some non-samurai had surnames” has no bearing on “all samurai had surnames”.
In order to argue the point you believe he’s making, he would have had to show evidence that some were given samurai status without an attendant surname. He didn’t do this.
@@Yoshimitsu293 That was a uncommon Metatron L, his conclusion does not make sense "Oh, but some commoners had surnames, therefore he could have been samurai" is not a good argument.
Its like saying "Some aquatic life need to breath air, therefore the whale shark could be a mammal", one has nothing to do with the other, and does not prove the argument. Just because commoners could get a surname does not discount the fact all samurai we know of had them.
@@Yoshimitsu293 He basically filled the rest by himself. He's that good.
I do that to books, i read the first 3 pages and then fill the rest with my imagination.
I don't know if you talked about the architecture in the game or not. Apparently, some Japanese claimed that the architecture resembled Chinese more than Japanese.
I havent really paid attention to the architecture but that would be an interesting catch if true
To be fair, early Japanese architecture was derived from Tang and Song dynasty architecture.
@@tokyo_taxi7835Yee but the game is based in late 1500s Japan tho
they had a tori gate as the entrance to a town too
i'm japanese
not only the architecture but also clothes, behavior, scenery... everything in the trailer doesn't look like japan somehow
I don't think it's entirely just an anachronistic misunderstanding based on Shogun, though that probably does contribute.
There also is that at the time period it generally was common for people, especially samurai, to receive entirely new names when they advanced within society. Someone like William Adams was given a full Japanese name [with a surname] when he was brought into Tokugawa's service, prior to his being given a samurai title. But also that every important person in the Sengoku period goes through at least one major name change, oftentimes more.
To use apples to apples comparison of a person born of low status who is affiliated with Nobunaga, we can look at Hideyoshi, who was born with the surname of Kinoshita and when he advanced beyond being a sandalbearer he received his first surname change to Hashiba. He wasn't formally part of a samurai clan until his next name change to Toyotomi but people would probably agree that during his time as "Kinoshita" he wasn't what we consider a samurai but as "Hashiba" he was.
So in my opinion, the idea that Yasuke didn't have a surname is something you can use as part of the argument against him being a samurai - to the best of our knowledge he never received a formal name change when that was something that was extremely common at the time which implies his status did not undergo a notable change during his brief time in Japan.
He was also given land. Curious that just a simple shipwright was given a title, land and a surname and Yasuke was not, despite being the greatest samurai the world has ever known.
that’s a good point you got there
@@kdolo1887 Japan was bad at building ships. So a shipwright was important.
@@paulodelima5705 So, youre saying a person with a skill would have been given a title, land and a surname, and someone who was just a status symbol brought around for his exotic appearance would not have been given a surname, land and, most importantly to this conversation, a title?
@@kdolo1887 Well, yes. William had a skill which was incredibly valuable to the Japanese. That in of itself warrants a name change. William literally changed the entire history of Japan, and the world. Without him, Japan may have been late to the party to build up a fleet and army which could rival China and Europe. Without William, Japan may have never been able to defeat the Chinese navy with their smaller but more advanced ships. This in of itself could have directly impacted the Japanese involvement in WW1 and WW2, and changed world history because people forget how pivotal Japan was to the global scale.
During the time, and in the long run, William Adams was a stupidly important individual. I’ve been seeing a lot of shade thrown at him, and I’m sorry, but the honest truth is, he was more important than Yasuke, and we have many documentation of him, and not the latter.
Now, I don’t believe Yasuke was a simple slave or servant, not even just a pet, but I don’t believe he was a samurai either. Proving Yasuke was not a Samurai is such a twisted take on things. In reality, we should be proving if Yasuke WAS a Samurai, because we have no evidence for it. We know he was a particularly interesting person of history. Maybe not quite important, but he wasn’t a nobody. This doesn’t change the fact there is no evidence of him being Samurai. A surname is a start.
Yasuke’s name change into Yasuke isn’t nearly enough evidence to prove he was a Samurai. The Japanese already did this to other foreigners. They’d change their names to Japanese ones for convenience, doing this without granting Samurai titles. This was particular for Portuguese monks, calling them by a name which was easier for the Japanese to pronounce and remember.
Yasuke is no exception.
All the "Yasuke is samurai" arguments were spoken on the basis of "you can't prove that he is definitely not a samurai", which is already laughable to begin with. It should be, the other way round, that you should prove that he is a samurai first, but not by editing wiki LOL. And also, it is completely OK to make a non-samurai Yasuke as main character, as non-samurai can also fight as a retainer, and be a cool "assassin". But, they can't hold themselves to tie the cool name of "samurai" to Yasuke even without enough evidence. AC is fictional, yeah, but depriving realism for the sake of agenda, and calling people out for criticizing this action? Mad.
yea he could be a cool side character or playable one aslong as he isnt a damn samurai
@@rey6708 The best way to "promote black people" is make him a badass companion, not this crap
@@michaelay4900 or people could, you know, make storys where it fits instead of injecting black people everywhere. loved resident evil 5 with sheva alamor or clementine and lee from walking dead. its so weird that that people call me rasics for pointing this shit out while my 2 favorite actors of all time are christopher judge and samuel L jackson. its not even about wokeness or some shit its simply cringe xD
@@rey6708 I just don't know who is still in love with AC's game design and all that. The story theme is incredibly cringe and gameplay feels like they are handing candies: Extremely EASY but badass-wannabe animations. How 2010 can they get?
@@michaelay4900 yeah i dont get it either. why are his finishers so incredible violent and focused? is this fokn mortal kombat now? thought its a game about assasins being sneaky
If I had to weigh in on this;
-I'd say while the fact that Yasuke never had a surname attributed to him, even in courtly documents, may not necesserily idicate that he absolutely was or was not a samurai but it does do more indicate that he wasn't samurai because the names of samurai were very important to them. It's definitely much more a pointer than an absolute.
-The same can be said about the land ownership. All samurai owned land, but not all land owners were samurai.
-On the "being given a sword" thing. Many of the sources on this use the specific phraseing "a ceremonial short sword..." That does not sound like a katana to me. That sounds an awful lot like a wakizashi. You know, the wakizashi, one of the most commonly owned self-defence weapons of the sengoku period. The very same kind of short sword that farmers, merchants, traveling salesmen and housewives tended to own in more dangerous areas. Some state that being given a wakizashi makes you samurai, but it is really the daisho that makes you samurai, it must be both katana and wakizashi, not one or the other. At least from my understanding, of course.
problem is that it isnt even specified wether it was land, a fief, or simply some house to sleep in. pretty much everything points to him not being a samurai.
@@rey6708 “a house” could be just figurative of speech. Like a home. A roof under your head when sleeping. And definitely no indication of the size of the house.
@@snowshock8958 and a house is not the same as a fief (which is where i think they got the idea of "oh he got a house, must be tied to some land") but i could not find sources on him getting a fief.
@@snowshock8958 ??? dont you think i know what a house is or what.
Not even Wakizashi. Yasuke got a shortest sword called 腰刀 Koshigatana. Something like the one Mariko tried to use for her Seppuku in Shogun 2024 in episode 9. Yasuke did not commit seppuku with his shortest sword. What a legendary chicken,
But isnt the fact tha he doesn't have a recorded surname a pointer that he wasnt turned Samurai? I don't think other people having surname discount that, it actually make it even stranger that he don't. The same way owning land is a pointer of the opposite.
Could he even speak the language? He wasn't there for very long, has no notable history or deeds, and was then sold off again at the end. Even the land thing, was he granted land? I thought it just said he was given a place to sleep
Yes, I'm of that camp that his story is heavily exaggerated by third parties of the time. Either to cause outrage against the Oda or the jesuites. And I firmly believe Nobunaga would make a show of turning Yasuke a Samurai, he was very transgressive after all.
@@ilikecatsandstuff1 Why are you expposing your idiocracy by saying I thought, I thought, I thought, when a real historian is telling you otherwise, what kind of dumbfckery delusion is this.
@@thatoneLerrydudeokay. If he does that. It's just him. After his death. The successor can simply revoke it. It's a pretty common occurrence
@@ilikecatsandstuff1 he could not speak it. The primary text said it “only understood a little(mediocre) Japanese”.
nobody cares if he was court monkey or a legendary samurai.
developer said it they looked for a non Japanese character when they choose him.
this is text book example of cultural appropriation.
Please share a direct quote/s of this, source and date it was stated.
@@shadowone01x99
"rev says desu"
in his video "kotaku journalist challenges ... "
shows a picture of that tweet around 6:38 mark.
@shadowone01x99 I recall it was in a Famitsu interview where the devs said they explicitly wanted "non-japanese eyes".
@@shadowone01x99 The director's comments are shared by all Japanese people participating in this discussion,
As a statement from a Western company or person who publicly pledges to be diversity, inclusive, and non-racist.
and of course, viewed as negative.
Nobody acares if you keep on crying, 1, you're not Japanese. 2, the game is getting a lot of pre-orders and sales. 3, the game is almost done so yeah you're just crying in the void.
The fact that the « inclusive » people said that asian people have « enough » representation…in THEIR own culture, is actually despicable.
Also there's hip hop of all things when Yasuke fights. How "progressive" of them.
Dude is killing natives by wearing Japanese armor, weapons, techniques and extremely brutally(this was an intentional and exciting feature. This is what Ubisoft people said). Ubisoft keep talking about oppressors? Well he seems like one of them.
But you don't mind guitars and other modern instruments that are visible in most period shows?
@@ibrahimihsan2090Are you saying guitars are a white only thing?
@@snowshock8958 I bet you're the same people ranting about Chris killing black people in RE5.
@@Circurose I can understand if people had problem with re5. Even if “they” were zombies. As much I want a remake of it…
Well
Ac didn't even bother getting a Japanese to check if the stuff make sense.
Torii are commonly for shine, not village entrance
Also charry blossom and persimmon are couple months apart, how can this be on the same scene without the technology if greenhouse or refrigerator?
I mean, valhalla has a viking weilding 2 two handed swords climbing a church that was build 300 years after its death.
Yasuke could've been exiting a shrine
@@llama6394 riding?
Ghost of Tsushima has people harvesting at the same time as red leaves but no one care.
@@Circurose harvesting what though? If it is rice then approximately the same time (September -october)
Why? Yasuke didn't achieve big achievement to be recognize as a full pledged samurai and didn't even commited Seppuku..
Oda's enemy didn't even bat an eye of him as an obstacle.
I think what people said is not "only samurai have surname" but "if he was a samurai,he would have surnames"
Samurai has their clan name as a surname
That’s exactly what people are saying.
@@zzodysseuszz I know but he took it as "only samurai has surname"
@@ikhlasulamal8067 I wonder why he took it that way?
As other people pointed out, I think the argument is that you cannot be a Samurai with no surname, not that everyone who wasn't a Samurai did not also have one. Yasuke didn't have one, so by this argument, he couldn't have been a Samurai.
To debunk this, I tried looking for Samurai with no surnames, and couldn't really find any. Common examples on the web include, for example, Miyamoto Musashi, but by the time he was officially a Samurai he already chose a Surname.
It seems that during the Kamakura period, the practice of adopting and using surnames became more standardized and widespread among the Samurai, particularly as the governance structure solidified around feudal lords and their retainers. By this time, it appears as though a surname was a critical element of a Samurai's identity.
I don't know any case similar to Yasuke's, so things might be different for a foreigner, but if I remember correctly William Adams was given the name Miura Anjin, with Miura functioning as his surname, specifically in order to properly integrate him into samurai society.
I'm not an expert on Japanese history, but it seems to be a pretty good point in the "Yasuke was probably not a Samurai" basket.
your portrayal of the argument seens to be incorrect, i believe the argument is that a samurai should have a surname, not that only samurai have surnames, if I say that "this animal has no sharp teeth, therefore it is not a lion", it does not entails that "all animals with sharp teeth are lions", saying that "some animals who are not lions have sharp teeth too, thefore this animal without sharp teeth could be a lion" is not a valid objection. Saying that common people could have surnames does not refutes the argument, for that you would need to provided proof that a person without a surname could be samurai regardless.
anime pfp, your opinion is worthless
@@HPLovesCraftsCat 確かに正しいですよ。この議論は答えができないわけで私が負けてしまいました。名誉を戻るのために腹切いがいしかたない。
If anything, I'd say it makes the argument he isn't a samurai stronger.
All I know is this game is hated in japan
It’s really the opposite. I’ve only seen non-Japanese mad.
There’s even a video going around of a guy that flew to Japan to interview the Japanese on this subject. Turns out not one person in the video actually cared.
Plus the game is 1# in pre-orders for the PS5 on Amazon Japan.
@@coronavirus553 すぐにばれる嘘はやめたほうがいい。このゲームの現在の日本のアマゾンでのランキングは45位で過去1か月に500買われている。
ビデオの作成ありがとうございます。
「姓を持ち、公式にそれを周囲に名乗っていたのが侍であった」とご理解くださいませ。
8:11の寺の山門は、日本じゃなくて朝鮮（韓国）ですね。
平民で姓を持っている人もいましたが、多くは自らの領主と同じであったり、
彼らが住んでいた場所の「地名」を利用していました。「東京都太郎（東京都の太郎さん Tokyo Taro）」のような感じです。平民が家の外で苗字を名乗っていたかというと、名乗っていませんでした。
信長が弥助に下の名前だけしか与えていないことが、信長が弥助を武士とみなしていなかった証拠です。武士は家名を持ち武家を形成して世襲で家臣になるので必ず苗字が必要ですからね。上級武士の侍なんて頭の隅にもなかったでしょう。信長にとって弥助はイエズス会から貰った珍しい奴隷で周囲に見せびらかすためのものです。珍獣ペットが最適なニュアンスです。
@@applesoda6308yall didn’t watch this video at all and it shows… dummies
@@applesoda6308 当時、外国人（特に黒人）が珍しかったのは事実かと思いますが、信長への謁見時には在日2年目ぐらいで、日本語も多少できたようです。おそらく人柄は良かったのでしょうね。好かれていたようには思います。
多くの日本人がそうだと思ってはいますが、弥助が嫌だとか、黒人侍は嫌だというのではなくて、Ubisoftとロックリー・トーマス氏の誇張した主張が、世界で史実化されるのが嫌だということかと思います。今、フィクションだと言い出して修正を計ろうとしているので、今後どうなるのでしょうね。
@@applesoda6308
給料を与えていたので奴隷ではないですね。雇用理由が人々の目を引く未知の人種だった事でも。弥助は複雑な会話はできないけど、信長には気に入られてたと思う。短刀なら与えられてる。
でもやはり、彼は15か月間居ただけの異邦人で、侍未満の召使だね。
These people should be ashamed of themselves for disrespecting the whole culture of Japan.
Hard being a snowflake, isn't it?
Im not sure they have that cognitive capacity.
Bruh@@Daniel-hp3tk
disrespecting whole culture of Japan? Japan did disrecpect their own culture by making yasuke samurai in their media? xd are you stupid?
You are talking as if they had any shame to begin with
So you're telling me there were no Samurai surnames like Champloo?
and what if "Samurai" itself was the surname - like in Afro Samurai?
@@t.kersten7695 you know in Japanese language samurai means 'to serve' xD gg
Champloo is Korean.
I am Japanese. I want to tell facts that are common knowledge for Japanese people.
I love to imagine dramas and events that were not written in history books. So I personally like the theory that Mitsunari Ishida let Yasuke go as a friend, and I think it would be wonderful if the historical facts were also true. However, I think that if you know that Kyoto people have similar sense to UK jentlemen people, you will understand what they meant by the anecdote that people in Kyoto rumored about Yasuke, for example, that he might eventually become a lord. It cannot be evidence that he was a samurai.
The Kanji characters in Yasuke's name also provide some insight into his class. As you know, each kanji character has a different meaning and image. To put it simply, the kanji for Yasuke (26-27 years old according to records) are not those used by adult samurai men, but those common to ordinary people. The image of his supposed occupation as a "OKOSYO" (a role in which he served close to nobles and performed chores around him, often as a boy) is more fitting. The kanji fits better with the image of his occupation as a "OKOSYO" (a man who serves near a nobleman, often a boy). I would like to point out this discrepancy more than the presence or absence of a family name.
イギリス人がひねくれた皮肉屋であることは世界の共通認識なのだろうか？ 3枚舌のKuZU野ROUが中東を大混乱させたのは誰もが知るとことだと思います。
「ぶぶ漬け、どうどす？」と言われる前に退散します。
Yasuke was referred as a "little moor" in a letter from Luis Frois to Florenco Mexia. It was also mentioned that Alessandro Valignano's height and Yasuke's dark skin that drew in crowds upon their arrival.
@@tobiasthesecond5605
What you wrote is what is written in the actual letter.
I don't understand, being Japanese, what exactly do you mean by "Little Moor"? I would like to know what meaning or nuance each word, little and Moorish, has.Please tell me.
@@bird56789 As in he was a young man and not of great stature (especially in contrast to Alessandro Valignano whom was known for his height). In one context moor meant someone who was of the Muslim faith (usually referring to Middle Easterners, North and Sub-Saharan Africans, being the majority. European converts were also called that). In the English translation on the passage on Yasuke in the Shincho-koki (his name is not mentioned) he was called a Blackamoor (term used to refer to Sub-saharan Africans). Also in the Shincho-koki, there is mention of two different men (one is a Samurai, the other likely Ashigaru) with the name Yasuke (Shichizo Yasuke and Yasuke Iwanari), but they are not "Yasuke".I was told that outside of Ietada's diary, his name is mentioned in the Maeda version of the Shincho-Koki. Which is also the source of him being granted a sayamaki and a stipend.
Well here's the real question.. did any samurai not have a surname?
Trying to prove a negative? Not possible.
@@user-ny1ji3vw6y no there would be positive proof if a samurai did not have a last name via records. And negatives are not "impossible" to prove, just typically very difficult typically. But in this case, it is much easier to find instances of samurai that were not granted or given last names than find out if the dude was a samurai.
@user-ny1ji3vw6y not really proving a negative. If there is any example of a samurai without a surname it would prove that they can exist. If there is 0 evidence of a samurai without a surname then it is strong evidence that they typically don't
No longer, It's like trying to prove that someone without a family register is a citizen of that country.
In the end, if they claim that someone with no records or surname is a samurai, then it's "Your samurai." There is no truth in that yet.
This discussion is turning as scientific as "is there a god". Neither side can prove their opinion, yet neither side is willing to admit that they can't definitively prove it
The argument isn't that only Samurai had last names but that anyone who was a Samurai had a last name which was indeed the case. In the case where someone wasn't born of Samurai class and didn't even have a last name, they usually were given their Lord's last name. The fact that the historical records doesn't give Yasuke who itself wasn't given name but a nickname means that he most likely was not a Samurai. For example William Adams was given the Samurai name of Miura Anjin, which means the Miura Pilot sure but Tokugawa himself officially gave him that name saying that William Adams is dead the Samurai Miura Anjin lives when he made Adams into a Samurai. Something like this, a foreigner being made into a Samurai would have most definitely been written into the history books so the fact that Yasuke doesn't have said information written down, in a period of history that is heavily researched and studied is super sus.
10:48 listen closely please
Did you watch Metatron's previous videos? Metatron talks about half samurai in the previous video about this issue and how lower level Samurai were [sometimes] not given a surname.
@@Intranetusa which signify that Yasuke is just that, Oda's black pet
@@Intranetusa Metatron is not Japanese expert. Please don't believe whatever he just says. Samurai was a high rank Bushi. Even low rank Bushi had a surname. Surnames don't always have to be given by their lords if they already gotten from somewhere. If Nobunaga wanted to make Yasuke as samurai, Nobunaga would have given him a surname. Samurai was a noble warrior clan. So they have to get a surname to form a clan. Vassal is a clan that serves the lord's clan. I wanted to explain in Japanese but Bushi and Samurai get all translated into samurai in English. 武士も侍も家名を一番大事にしました。名誉ある切腹も全ては家名に傷をつけないためです。それくらい家名はお金よりも土地よりも何よりも大切なものでした。
@@Intranetusayeah except that’s not true tho. Metatron was referring to groups so low rank that they weren’t even samurai, their rank would’ve been documented regardless. Yusuke had no records of being a samurai or any lower rank
"this is youtube, this is not an airport. you do not need to announce your departure..."
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Sure, it's a possibility, but knowing how hardass the Japanese have been with their traditions I'd call it a very slim one. Or it might be the way that cop got a driver's license in Taxi 2 after failing the test 26 times, "Here's your license, you are a driver now. You will take it now and WALK home, slowly".
LOL Japanese being "hardass with their tradition" is itself a stereotype and a huge generalisation.
Not to mention Oda Nobunaga himself is a massively eccentric character and often DO scoff at tradition. We are talking about a guy when challenged by Takeda Shingen saying he will be doing the heaven's work wrote back and trolled Takeda by signing off the letter and literally called himself the demon lord. If Oda was a hardass traditionalist he would himself claim he has heaven's mandate etc etc, rather than troll Takeda like this. So Oda giving/not giving Yasuke a name but not a surname doesn't mean anything considering Oda's personality.
@@nanaholic01 Well, you said it yourself, it would be pointless to troll people with scoffing tradition if it was the norm, or even somewhat common.
And yeah, I agree it was entirely possible that even if Nobunaga actually did make him a samurai or whatever the equivalent was at the time, it might've been to piss people off and it wouldn't be recognized by others.
I see it mentioned that not killing himself after his master died was proof that he wasn't a samurai , but the way I understand it, that wasn't really the norm, it depended a lot on your position. I imagine that if you were a low-rung retainer it might be seen as pretentious, or even insulting. If the above about trolling was the case, I'm thinking they probably wouldn't let him commit a ritual suicide even if he offered to, because that would also mean that they're accepting him.
The fact that he doesn't have a surname, Although it's not perfect logic, it's 99% correct
Because most foreigners who claim to have been samurai are delusional in thinking that he achieved the same status as Miura Anjin
This will allow a large number of delusional people to drop out, moving his existence to the border between being a samurai and not being a samurai.
Regarding new Asssassin's Creed game, it is an awful idea for a protagonist to be Yasuke, a historical figure, same as it would be awful if Nobunaga or Hideyoshi were the protaginist. Simply because I personally prefer when our main assassin is a fictional character that interacts with historical figures (Altair with king Richard, Ezio with Da Vinci and Borgias, Connor with Franklin and Washington, Edward with Blackbeard and so on)
I want Lincoln the next hero in Assassin’s Creed.
"How dare you have integrity and be neutral? It's 2024, you're meant to pick a side! "
Being neutral is the opposite of integrity. It’s what fence sitting clowns like boogie 2988 do. He’s also completely wrongly characterizing the argument. The argument was IF he was a samurai he would have a surname.
Obviously a right wing radical! :/
Here's the fun thing. You do have to pick a side, as it'll happen regardless, but some don't consider that speaking the truth doesn't have a side, for it's truth.
Truth itself is a neutral thing if it remains respected.
if you don't see a side then you're woke. he is indeed more woke than right wing.
You can tell, left leaning people argue in a way and thats the same as the right.
brain patterns and what not states no matter how or what you say to them their brain can't comprehend nd understand or be swayed to your side.
if you can then i mean i always says you're born a liberal and die a conservative so something must switch with people i don't know what though maybe its experience.
notice also how the people who agreed with you were in fact woke liberals who accused them of being right wingers instead of people who knew "history".
Yeah as in don't put your crap in with my crap. Very basic idea of things don't mesh and should not be done
Despite making up 13% of the population they make up 50% of samurai sword related attacks.
Hilarious using outdated statistic as a dogwhistle your kind isn't welcome here you make us look like fools
Strange how that works out
I see what you did there.
Eeehh.... NOT according to what we have all seen online showing waaaay MORE THAN 50% of the attackers are from Yasuke haters.
Just saying it as it is!
@@shadowone01x99 we wuz unable to comprehend per capita
As a Japanese that studied Japanese history in a Japanese university and a university abroad, the thing I love the most after the announcement of this game is realise how many white and black people knows so much about Japanese history and our culture! Even more than myself who's a Japanese! Cant tell how excited I am for people to tell me I dont know my own history online!
(This is sarcasm btw, if you didn't catch it. Metatron is cool tho, he knows his shit)
You are absolutely right, and it is not the absence of famliy names that is the problem, but the fact that there are no records of family names left, given the rules for describing the names of samurai and bushi of the time.
For example, when the names of people involved in the Honnoji Incident are excerpted from Ietada's diary, there are descriptions of Akechi Hyuga-no-Kami 明智日向守 and Oda Shichibei 小田七兵衛 as having rebelled. The former is Akechi Mitsuhide and the latter is Tsuda Nobusumi.
Furthermore, the next day, we learn that Tuda Nobusumi's betrayal was a false report, and there he is described as Shichibei-dono.七兵衛殿
In this way, it is common to use the family name and official rank, or the family name and common name.
Of course, exceptions exist, and there are documents that write the lord by his real name or add "sama 様" to his real name.
but Yasuke's case falls into neither of these categories.
If we follow the writing rules of the Sinchoukouki 信長公記, This is consistent with the part that mentions commoners and servants.
To begin with, this argument is nonsense.
Summary of 43p of the Japanese version e-book of the book that started it all
"Assume he is Kosyo 小姓."
"But assume that he did not participate in strategically important meetings."
"He was not given an official status "
I do not know about the English version of the expression.
But in a general sense, one would not call something a social status if it was not officially given.
Why is a hypothesis that needs to be annotated as not having been given official status being circulated as if it were a confirmed fact?
That's the important part.
Yasuke's name does not appear in historical records. It's a name that was invented for him in the 1968 book, Kuro-suke, by Yoshio Kuruso. A whole fan-fiction dedicated to him. Thomas Lockley used the events of the book as his 'historical facts'.
@@tobiasthesecond5605
That is not true. To be precise, the only record that can be confirmed is the Matsudaira Ietada Diary "only.
This can be found in the digital archive of the National Diet Library in Japan.
Ota Ushiichi's "Shincho Koki" is not included in what is generally known, and the edition said to be in the collection is not available to the general public.
The Jesuit letters consistently refer only to "kafre (Portuguese African slaves) given to Nobunaga.
You may be a gamer but there's no way you're a sound technician. Potatoes are not microphones.
seems something was off this video
he clearly recorded off a secondary mike by mistake, it's better than nothing
Well, as one, lol.. yeah, it's secondary audio from the camera and not from the mic in front of him (which he might of forgot to unmute, turn on, plug in, hit the phantom power or was otherwise was unusable).
You can tell because of hearing the reflections of his voice off the walls, which means the mic element was some distance from the audio source ie Metatron's mouth.
Useful if trying to capture the specific quality of an environment (ie natural reverb) but not so much for a UA-cam talking head video, lol..
But also, shit happens.. it's a judgement call.. go with what ya got or start over.. his usual audio is fine, so at least for me, it's not a big deal for a short off the cuff vid like this..
But honestly, to add just for discussion's sake.. (as I'm semi retired now and have way way too much free time 😂). I totally believe in having a minimum level of production standards.. and the audio issue should have been acknowledged in a screen note, which is often done in my experience but giving the benefit of the doubt, I dunno anything about the BTS situation.. still, a note in the description doesnt take any real extra effort.. I honestly haven't checked, is there one?
I dunno, it's just a quick fairly raw unscripted reaction video where the point is more about getting the coherent point he wants across rather than be stylish. Ideally you want both but obviously and compared to other vids, there was some tech glitch and no usable near field audio.. and the backup from the cam was decent enough for what the vid is.. so, judgement call. It's all about spending your time as efficiently as possible.. and it's possible he felt if he redid it, it wouldn't come off as genuine. I dunno, I'm not in his head, lol, or gonna second guess him. I just know from experience how this sort of thing can happen..
And while on the lower end of the spectrum, it still meets a fairly acceptable level of production standard for what the video is.. def not his usual decent audio standard by far but as an outlier due to a rare tech difficulty, yeah, not so bad.
Still, gonna check for a mention in the description. I do think it should have that at least.. it just helps to show us, the audience, a level of care and reassurance. Because someone is gonna notice and care. Someone always does, and then comment. lol. It's the internet.
Now I'm curious how many hours you've got in the total war: warhammer trilogy.
Great video man
I had a pretty mild, negative comment about the Dragon Age trailer and someone called me a tourist, hilarious because I remember being ruthlessly bullied for being a "nerd" in highschool...I can't win for losing.
Don't try to prove yourself to these schmucks, they are a waste of time.
Thanks to the Woke. Gaming Communities after seeing the nerd Hobbies decimated and destroyed on the Altar of Wokeness are now hyper defensive and are now strongly encouraged to gatekeep there hobbies from anyone seeing to subvert it.
Believe me actual tourists must be gatekept from our hobbies or they will destroy them. Anita Sharkesian was a tourist.
The schmucks are like 50% of views so he have to mention them xD
@@captainvanisher988 Um. how do you expect people to get into said hobbies then?
They join the hobby and dont bring their woke activism@@chrisdiokno5600
If Yasuke was a samurai, why would Chewbaca, an 8-foot tall wookie, want to live on Endor with a bunch of 2-foot tall ewoks? it does not make sense, therefore if Yasuke was a samurai you must acquit.
I earlier argued that if Yasuke had been elevated to samurai status, then he would have been given a surname. I based that argument on the customs of late Edo period Japan, which is my area of (limited) expertise. The specific example I was thinking of was the case of Nakahama Manjuro, also known as John Manjuro. He was a young fisherman named only Manjuro, but when he was elevated to samurai status in the 1850's he was given the surname Nakahama, after his home village of Naka no Hama. I do not have enough knowledge of late Sengoku jidai Japan to say what the custom was then. However, I would think that had Nobunaga elevated Yasuke to samurai status, he would have awarded him a surname as well, just as Ieyasu did to Willam Adams by naming him Miura Anjin. And, that is the same time period as Yasuke.
You can't be a believable samurai in the brief amount of time this guy spent in Japan especially in the context as Ubisoft are trying to portray him in.... End of debate.
Yasuke as historical figure is irrelevant.
Previous assassins creed main characters are either indigenous in the country. The Black Flag, however is is not focused in a single country but a region covering Florida and Caribbean territory with strong British presence, so having a British main character dont feel out of place. Comparing to Tom Cruise is nonsesne because movies and videogame are just apples and oranges because the narrative presentation between videogame and movies are far different. Choosing Yasuke is more of a DEI convenience rather than making his character work in a Feudal Japanese setting....just poorly executed.
Yasuke who looks like an American NFL player is insulting to Africans, reminds me of Disney Aladdin (1992) when good guys are voiced with American accent while villain with thick Arabic accent.
the audio today is kinda umm echo-e, like they're in the corner of the room far from the mic. wonder whut happen
The mic didn't record, so I had to use the camera audio. Sorry about that
0:55 "you don't strike me as a gamer"... bro has a Mortal Kombat 2 arcade machine in the background...
"Metatron is *not* a gamer"
-Mortal Kombat cabinet behind him...
What is with the echoing audio?
Great to see happy and sarcastic Metatron. Great video.
I've completely detached from the Yasuke argument and am mostky annoyed that Ubi's getting basic details wrong (peasants dress like Chinese and not Japanese, planting rice out of season, using torii gates for town entrances) when the premise of the franchise is exploring authentic historical set pieces. Their standards have way slipped.
at this point i just come back to your videos on this specific topic just to enjoy you being right about actual real history! love ya mate
the fact they are using Yasuke for woke politics has become even more clear now that the gameplay trailer dropped. Yasuke's theme music is literally hip hop-styled music.
Hip hop style?!!... It did NOT sound that way. Perhaps i am know wrong.🤷 but oh well... Bias will always find a grudge in anything.
@@shadowone01x99 nice poisoning the well while feigning indecision. At 5:11 in the video, the music changes to a very modern sounding music style.
Dude don’t look now but your implicit bias is showing
@@mobrk6036 Ironic since I could say the same for you.
Yep. They literally brought out a trap beat for him when he enters combat. I didn't know that Africans living in 16th century Japan liked African American styled music from before the US even existed as a nation. Amazing isn't it?
And if they just wanted to use a random theme, then why are the developers pushing this theme or notion of "historical accuracy" when they talk about Yasuke? Why didn't they just bust out Intense sounding Japanese music and forgo the trap sound entirely? It wasn't needed at all, they made the conscious choice to add it in.
Ubisoft basically made a game about "Da Samoorai" parody character in Samurai Jack, then made him a Black Flag without the L. 😂
Japan's family register system was established in 540 for tax management purposes.
I most appreciate the depth of research you make, the sources you cite and the nuanced responses you provide, which is the only right approach to have with History. Thank you for your hard work. Oh, and so the world knows, I WILL NOT UNSUBSCRIBE! :D :D :D
Microfono sbagliato?
Yeah, the mic sounds really bad
Ok, i had to do a double take at that ending lol.
No, he said it😅
I don't think anyone said non samurai can't have surnames.
The argument is Yasuke doesn't have a recorded surname.
Also, it took Hideyoshi 10 years to become a Samurai and Yasuke served for 15 months. literally impossible for him to be a Samurai.
If Nobunaga made the only black man in Japan at the time a Samurai it would 100 percent be recorded.
maybe , maybe not cant really take your word for it. Since this is a case that can be argued on either stand point.
@@reallyscarus and that is how revisionist history spreads like a cancer.
@@reallyscarus my word and every Japanese historians words. sure.
@ak-nt2tr saying "every Japanese historian" is disingenuous since there are Japanese historians that argued that Yasuke was a samurai...you don't have to lie to push your opinion and that's all it is at this point opinion. on both sides where you believe he was or wasn't a samurai
Metatron I admire your methodology. You present the historical fact unambigously, and when necessary the use pointers. You Sir are scholar and gentleman. God bless you and your Mrs.
I don't care what your teachers told you, my grandmother always told me that Metatron is a gamer.
Will you review the game that you play or like? As a fellow gamer, would love to know your style. Either historical or not
8:00 You're showing Yasukuni Shinto Shrine while talking about Buddhist temple records for the deceased. “LINK IN THE DESCRIPTION FOR CONSULTATION” I don't find the link of the records in the description.
8:10 This is Jongmyo Confucian shrine in Seoul, South Korea.
I love you, Metatron, but the argument was never that only samurai have surnames. It was that if Yasuke *was* a samurai he would have been given one, as William Adams was.
In Japan, rather than issues of racial differences, people are pointing out various discrepancies in the world depiction. For example, the structures of the buildings are significantly incorrect, and there is no banner representing the 「永楽通宝」"Eiraku Tsuho" coin, which was famously used by the Oda clan. Since UBI is lamenting their mistakes, let's pretend we've been "to be isekai'd" to this incorrect version of Japan and enjoy the game.(lol)
UBI should have used shadow clans like the Imbe clan, the Kamo clan, or the Hata clan, rather than Yasuke, Nobunaga's page, if they were going to do an assassin. The theory that the Hata clan = Ancient Israelites is perfect for Assassin's Creed and ties in with the story of Assassin's Creed 1! The shrines with red torii gates built by the Hata clan retain many influences from ancient Israelites, Persians, and Nestorian Christianity. Please come to Japan and see the shrines. The theory that the Hata clan = Ancient Israelites is just a theory, but it would make for an interesting game. In reality, the Hata clan was not ancient Israelites, but one of the many clans that fled the Akahoya eruption in Japan about 7,500 years ago, moved to the area around Egypt, and returned to Japan after many generations. There were also ancient Israelites and Persians who accompanied the clans that returned, so the Hata clan was probably thought to be Israelites as well. With so many generations passing, there was likely intermarriage too. Wooden tablets from the Nara period found at Japanese archaeological sites recorded that Persians were serving as officials in Japan. UBI probably doesn't know that Oda Nobunaga is connected to the Imbe clan.
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Honestly, the only thing I’m angry about is that the game is completely DEI, and we know exactly why they chose Yasuke as a main character.
The whole debate has become silly to me. It doesn’t really matter if he was or wasn’t a samurai, or part of the warrior class, or anything else, because it’s a game about alternative history, after all. The issue is we know why they picked him, and it’s politics.
1:23 don't worry every week you're actually pretty awesome keep up the good work
Yo, hey what’s up this and I know you don’t know me but huge fan man thanks for all the videos you do on UA-cam love your channel
What really bothers me is Yasuke's accent. Ubisoft hired an actor from Zimbabwe to perform Yasuke, who was from Mozambique.
They really rather change the nationality of a historical figure than hire a native portuguese speaker from Mozambique. Yasuke would be the one time we'd ever have lusophone representation in AC, and they decided to make Yasuke from Zimbabwe instead. It's also just straight-up racist. "We hired someone from Africa to perform this character, so therefore, it's an accurate portrayal"
I mean I am not surprised. They probably also think african amuricans are 1:1 the same compared to real africans. It's because they are amuricans who tend to be incredibly ignorant while also being preachy.
They also shown no indian or african martial arts in yasuke and his main theme uses hip hop and japanese music but non mozambique themes.
They have portrayed yasuke in the laziest form just to have "the black samurai" and the media clicks as rage means sales nowadays
You do know the modern boarders do not reflect ancient boarders? Mozambique has ethnic groups directly related to the Shona of Zimbabwe! The accents are closely related. The Shona empire of Mutapa stretched into Mozambique and during the time the Portuguese arrived they had territory in modern Mozambique! Shona princes and warriors went to
India with the Portuguese! The Sena people of Mozambique are related to the Shona. This is why I can understand most things they say in their language.
I recommend researching a bit before you start complaining. Yes it’s possible he wasn’t tied to the Mutapa empire but, the modern European boarders don’t mean a thing!
@@admirekashiri9879 the ancient ancestry is irrelevant if Yasuke was also a lusophone and Ubisoft hiring an anglophone from Zimbabwe for the role is just not accurate.
The accents aren't similar, I have close friends from Angola and Mozambique and their accents when speaking English are somewhat similar to each other but not similar to Yasuke's accent at all.
The voice actor may have a whole Mozambican lineage, but the fact of the matter is that he isn't a lusophone and it shows.
@@odd-eyes6363 I have family from both Zimbabwe and Mozambique the accents I noticed were similar! But it likely depends on the region you’re looking at so of course regional variance should be taken into account. Either way modern boarders don’t mean a thing as stated there are genetic and cultural links between some ethnic groups in both modern countries. Sorry if that offends you it is what it is I’m afraid.
Your mistake was to assume the studio behind assassins creed didnt put yasuke with ideological intention into this game which is pissing more and more people completely off.
Loving this show, cant wait for season 2 😂
Even if he was a Samurai, why choose to base an entire game around the only black samurai over the thousands of known Japanese Samurai?
DEI
What about Samurai Jack?
The reaper was hid surname I think 🤔
Funny thing, We never learned Samurai Jack's true name in the whole series.
Although more of a Ronin archetype he would qualify as more Shinobi than most popular so called ninja.
It’s how they called him in the future. His real name is unknown.
There's a Samurai Jack... There's also a Jack Black! I got it! Samurai Jack was black!!
6:53 Oh, that's Kinkakuji. The one that was rebuilt in 1954 after it was set on fire in 1950.
I'm aware. I visited it as a student. Incredible structure.
@@metatronyt It’s just that I’ve recently reread Mishima’s Kinkakuji and now can’t get it out of my head.
Honestly ? To me, it doesn’t MATTER whether Yasuke WAS a Samurai or was NOT. The “problem” is that regardless of whether he was or not, we ALL know, or “most” of us know, that the ONLY reason we have a “black” male protagonist, and a female
Japanese protagonist is because of pandering. Period ! That’s it ! No more need be said. What’s historically accurate or what isn’t is completely besides the point for this particular argument.
A question i cant seem to find an answer to is what about sabuko(suacide) im sure i spelt that wrong lol but wernt samari requred ti take this action if they lost in battle? And if so why didnt y Yasuke? Im ignorant on japanese teaditions and history so if you can explain id appreciate it
I watch you for your educational content, I don't always agree, but you always give me a good reason to research things I didn't even know that I didn't know. Thanks for being willing to put up with the trolls and dunderheads, you are appreciated by the vast majority and hated only by an ignorant few.
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Why are yall even heating yasuke up? He didn’t actually do anything as he was just a person who lives in japan.
Could you look at the Shadows gameplay trailer and tell us what is accurate and inaccurate? At the beginning of Yasuke’s part, he goes through a torii gate at the entrance to a village, but the gates are used for the entrances to shrines.
Oh man I love this dude’s channel
Look at me I'm the Samurai Now
Ever since I learned about Yasuke, I wanted a videogame of him being an Assassin, I felt it made sense to me, because he has some ambiguity to him and making him be a part of the brotherhood is a good choice. Whether or not he was a Samurai was never the problem, in this situation, it seems people who are excited about this historical character being brought to life, because we like history and are aware he might night of been Samurai, are being called woke bigots, or because we explain our stance we are also being called racist, it's baffaling that people that love history are being ostracized by both sides of the argument!!!
A screenplay by a white Canadian woman shows Asians bowing down to black people in feudal Japan, but there's no sense of history in this, it's a depiction of modern politics, not of historical figures
It's important to be able to portray differences without hesitation
It's history only if you're prepared to be pelted with stones by (us) Japanese people
I think the biggest issue with Yasuke being a central character in anything with any semblance of historical representation is that all we know about him was that he was big, black and followed Oda Nobunaga around. That's hardly a story. If you want to put him into a game like Samurai Warriors, that makes sense because it's gonzo over-the-top ahistorical nonsense combat. Putting him in a game that's pretense has always been, "this is the true history of the world that the Templars don't want you to know" is exactly the type of messaging that gamers are tired of, that Yasuke was the greatest samurai that ever lived, the only foreigner to become a samurai, and the only reason he's been forgotten is because of the evil white racists and their evil white racism, and definitely not that he wasn't noteworthy beyond his features and stature.
@kdolo1887 The pretense of Assassins Creed and its original moto is "History is our playground." They weev loose historical threads into their Scifi/Fantasy narrative. Originally the historical events in even the early games are loosely based on actual events and at times differ greatly from them, they were also twisted to fit the Isu narrative, do you really think rodrigo the pope used an apple of eden to get powers in order to fight a 20 something guy with hidden blades? This franchise has always been inspired by history, never a one to one interpretation of it (Now granted Odyssey and Valhalla took it way to far). Every protagonist is made up and never a real person, that's why I thought Yasuke would have been a great protagonist, because he was a real person but there is a lot of mystery around him, and how little we know about him outside of what you just mentioned. Having him as a protagonist is the perfect vehicle for foreigners to understand the setting because we'd be experiencing the same culture shock as he is. Now, would I have also been happy to have just a Japanese protagonist? Yes, I absolutely would, but I've wanted a Yasuke game so badly since I was young, and now I'm finally getting it, even though it's from damn stupid Ubisoft. Plus, I never heard any complaints about Nioh, where a welsh samurai existed in a pseudo historical world with fantasy elements.
Furthermore, on the topic of racism as a whole, so I'm abundantly clear. To me it was never ancient white men that were evil, it was the societies and cultures that practiced slavery and believed their culture or race to be superior to everyone else and went to tremendous lengths to hide certain facts from people about other cultures to feed their own ego that I view as evil, and I'm aware a lot of them have changed for the better now. So yes racism is evil, ANYONE who practiced or still practices it, no matter their RACE (Black or White, etc.) or cultural and ethnic background WERE practicing a hateful and archaic ideology that has no place in society in any way shape or form, yet sadly it did exist more outwardly and viciously in that time period, so it has to at least be touched on in some way (buy I agree it shouldnt be the focal point). To reiterate, ANYONE who bought and sold PEOPLE, or beleived that their race was better than another, whether they knew so or not, was practicing something truly SINISTER and EVIL.
@@wolfharbinger Rodrigo was a real person with the position posited in the game. Yasuke was, most likely, not.
Also, do you REALLY think he only became an assassin after leaving the Jesuits? Or was he always an assassin and his whole plan was to fake being a slave in order to be handed to the Jesuits so that he could get himself to Japan and chance an encounter with the one daimyo in all of Japan that would make him a samurai so that he could do whatever the fuck he does in this game? Bit of a stretch, wouldn't you say?
Incidentally, racism does have a place in society. In the US, anti-Asian and anti-White discrimination is okay for the purposes of college admissions and for hiring at major game and television studios.
This many people would not have a problem if Ubisoft didn't pose Yasuke as the saviour/protector of Japan. He simply doesn't have much to write home about. And it's also disrespectful to Yasuke, a real man, to just making up stories about him and also make him gay. If they had to make a gay black character then why not a made up character inspired by Yasuke. And Naoe is just sidelined, she should be in front and center since its her home country.
What happened to microphone in this video? It sounds like it was recorded on a camera microphone, far from the subject, rather than a microphone close up. So much reverb. Mixup with the audio track?
My favorite part of this video (besides the elaboration on diffusion of information, the telephone-game, and people's low need-for-closure),
was when you described the person who walked away due to disagreement.
I am fascinated by both plain and willful ignorance and I love learning about all the ways people justify either, who that benefits, and how it benefits.
About ACS, it's interesting how the pro-samurai people make themselves appear moral by painting their opposition as evil, meanwhile, they don't bother asking the opposition about Samurai Champloo (SC), a comparable fictional work about the same thing, that is cool, AND does NOT set out to represent the demographies of Japan, for it has no previous iterations where it does just that.
When given the choice of being better than someone else, and not, what would you pick? That's why people decide as they do.
Ever since this controversy started, I was thinking that Oda would've made Yasuke a fully fledged samurai several years later, if he wasn't killed.
I mean given his proximity to Nobunaga he was probably better off than most Samurais, being one of the personal bodyguards of Nobunaga (which i believe he was) beats being a regular Samurai
@@liquidsnake6879 Im sure most samurai would have been much happier being safe near their lord as a bodyguard than having to fight with honor for their land.
Those who advocate the theory that "Nobunaga is unconventional, therefore Yasuke must be a samurai" ignore the fact that Nobunaga was a meritocrat.
Yasuke had no achievements.
Is something wrong with your microphone or it's youst my phone acting up? God bless you and your work sir Metatron ❤❤❤
Guess the mic didnt take kindly to having its holy stand disassembled
Nice bro
That ending lmao XD. I don't know if it's on my end, but your mic sounded weird in this video.
I'm playing a game about shinobi in feudal Japan right now.
Tenchu: Stealth Assassins.
I like it because you get to play as japanese people in a period of japanese history, instead of... Well... You know.
A few questions, Metatron, if you see this:
1. Did all samurai have surnames?
2. Was he really given land, or just a home to live in, which would have been practical?
3. When speaking about Lord Nobunaga, can we really rely on what traditionally happened? People, I believe including yourself, always say that Lord Nobunaga did what he wanted, regardless of tradition.
Thanks!
I know this video will be so entertaning when 20sec into the vid and ive already got the 'rant' sort vibe in it. wait, lemme first grab my snacks first lol