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Whenever the sifu touches his student, the student makes ridiculous gestures and falls on the ground. Whenever he touches you, you just lightly lose your balance. I've trained with masters and I reacted the same as you, I just lightly lose my balance. How do you explain that students are always overreacting each time their master touch them? Is it just a marketing stunt?
Ho ho ho... one of the rare precious demos here on youtube. So true, honest demo of important issues - Song as release, not weakness. Thank you for sharing it.
Very good Liang De Hua, and best of all you seem to have a compassionate attitude. Who was is your master? Myself I am of the Huang Sheng Shyan lineage. Plenty of people martial artists or street fighters for that matter can hurt people, and there are plenty of these type of people who like to put themselves in situations where they can do that. Something to prove, an ego problem of some sort, not realising karma has it's way of taking care of things sooner or later. The trickiest opponent or enemy, is the self, he is always with you and can cause you more problems than any other in this life, so evolve friends, there is no end to it.
Wow, excellent detailed explanation. The first time I experienced something like this my joints vibrated and I crumpled to the floor. Over time, whole-body conditioning imparts a spring-like quality, that is why the student is seen to bounce away. This is all a teaching exercise, not actual fighting.
THX, Sifu. Much respect and gratitude for your brief instruction. I am glad there are still masters like you although few; it has always been about quality not quantity.
When you push or pull upon a person, even gently, both of your bodies perceive the need to readjust balance -- this is a reflex, and so it is impossible to unlearn. This technique, and a few others like it (also in Tai Chi), "attack" the body's reflex to regain balance. By applying a bit of force and then abruptly changing the direction of that force in a clever way, it is possible to manipulate the opponent's movements -- force them to turn, force them to take at least one step in the direction of your choice, and yes even make them fall down in some cases. What you may not realize is that this technique is EVERYWHERE. You see it in boxing, out of the clinch. You see it on the line in football, on both sides. You see it in basketball when someone is in a close guard and there is body contact. The only difference here is that in all of these cases, this isn't a taught skill but just something one of these athletes picked up intuitively. Tai Chi identified the nature of what is happening, and deliberately teaches manipulation of someone's sense of balance as a skill. It is very nearly the only martial art that does so, with the exception of certain Aikido techniques that manipulate the opponent's head with a relaxed motion to force them to fall down. The people who know this technique don't relay on it. Everyone saying "I would totally trounce this guy" are missing that this is just one arrow in a very deadly quiver. If this technique doesn't get you (although I promise you it would; the only way to avoid this is not to come into contact, aka run away), something else they know might. It's bluster to declare that you could "beat someone in a fight" when you don't even know the depth of their training. It takes less than a year to learn a technique like this, at least the basics of it. I learned more than one in less than that, and even without practice it is not that difficult to recall and use. It is not like other skills that require muscle memory and a fit healthy frame. It is almost entirely just a knowledge base, an understanding of what is happening internally to your opponent.
I love what you have said but it cannot work on a person who does not already believe in it and comply with it. It is NOT impossible to let your arm go limp rather than be pushed away. This is BS for CERTAIN and only those who comply are effected by it.
@@kongkong1364 I know this based on experience. As long as you stand how they ask you to stand and do what they ask you to do it works a little. There is something there. However you have to agree to a whole set of implied parameterts for it to work. Its a trick.
Yes timing and distance become a factor. I don't know what the Chinese word for this concept is as I was trained in Aikido, but the Japanese word for the concept is maai: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maai. Chi and maai are basically the two most important concepts in the internal arts. How long it takes to develop always depends on the student and the teacher.
I can say that it's way easier to do in Judo (because I have done it repeatedly) verses a guy who grabs you than a guy that punches. It has to happen at the moment of contact before the striker can start retracting their arm. Maai is a factor in both but it's way more critical when someone is striking you. Though now I am curious how to apply it with a traditional boxing style cover up verses blocking, as I am not a fan of blocking. I'm sure it can be done, but would require lots of mat time with progressively faster striking. Now my head's exploding. LOL
I love the arguments where MMA students explain MMA is tested and proven. So, Kung Fu, which has been used in war, street fights and completion is not proven... even though it has existed for a thousand years... love this Chanel.
One can understand why this knowledge has always been kept secret. Gotta say I cringe at the prospect of MMA idiots getting their hands on it. But then they're probably too shallow to be interested anyway.
@John Smith Hence there was so much secrecy in China and there's more discipline and respect in most traditional cultures. Patience, wisdom, humility...everything Western cultures have lost.
To be honest, Chinese Martial Arts(CMA) is long lost. A famous martial artist and actor called Sek Kin from Hong Kong was born around 1910. His master is from the mid to late 1800s. Here's what his master taught him, "If someone likes to move their head left and right a lot, you hook them. If they bob their head up and down a lot, you uppercut them." This is a VERY important quote. It means before the cultural revolution completely messed up CMA, fighters in China used to bob and weave, and use foot work. This whole "grounding yourself and throwing very straight solid punches" thing only showed up in the late 1900s because performance Kung Fu took over the Fighting Kung Fu. As for REAL CMA from ancient China? I believe they're the real thing. When the Mongolians took over the entire world and were unstoppable, Yue Fei was the only person to have a 10 year winning streak against them in war. Yue Fei supposedly is the creator of Eagle Claw. One of the most skilled fighter/tactician in human history wouldn't create a useless martial art.
@Mei Jing a person trained to fight in a free context even without weapon, and even an angry person not used to weapon fights, , will be more able to fight, even with a sword, than whoever pretend to train fighting coreographies with a sword and to be an expert because of this. It is a story tha martial art people say to themseleves to self brainwash on the effectiveness of their training. And I say this, while I am a traditional martial artist. You will tell that it is my problem, and it is fine. Good luck with fairytales.
He is saying things that are totally beyond us. I want to know what to practice to attain that relaxed inner power. I guess the arts that use it have various ways to bring out that energy, but it's all the same. What happens when 2 advanced masters use this energy against each other. Do you have any videos of this guy practicing with another like him? I am curious how the same energy reacts when it encounters opposing force.
You have to understand tai chi walking to apply any of it. Then you need to know how to make the tai chi diagram. Then you need to understand twei shou, then you learn li/chi inshuing then you need to understand tai chi powers and you will understand this. Wayson lau did a book on tai chi jing, chen pan ling did a text book on yang style, ma yuah Liang did a book on wu style pushing hands. And these three books will have basic training for understanding the information.
Interesting I actually understood that. I've been working on it, just releasing, and let my energy flow downward. Is that the extent of what I should be doing to develop sung?
@@THEMARTIALMAN It is 100% deception to say that a person cannot pull their arm back during this application. The master NEEDS you to continue to resist him in order for any of this to work. In other words all you have to do is relax the arm and the connection is ended.
@Mei Jing He is moving an entire persons body by pushing on the arm....... Sorry but unless you cooperate this is impossible. This is BS of the highest order. You MUST cooperate for this to work..... its dumb.
I am sorry. He is clearly starting to fall backwards before the push even begins. At time 0:11 you can see it in slow motion. The very first thing shown on the video shows the receiver moving before the push starts.
He keeps explaining that it is all about the opponent loosing their balance and at that point the opponent needs to lean on something to steady themselves.
My friend's Teacher in Taiwan years ago said Kung Fu is useless if you don't have or develope the power first. My friend spent a little over 1 year learning chi kung, then he learned Chen Style Taichi from his Teacher.
Why doesn't he just relax his arm when is applies his jin? I don't get why this soft pushing should effect his center when he simply could inhibit it reaching his center.
@@vicwarrior106 I achieved a level of relaxation so deep once that I shat my pants and my attacker just took my money and was too disgusted to harm me. Internal martial arts work!
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is sung a sinking of the organs and. red muscle inside the viscera eyc. to be used as a counterweight to the soft tisues and skeleton? this guy certainly has " it".
no, sung is an active relaxation actually it is uplifting you feel lighter, but you sink your energies into the ground and from the ground you get strength and stability.
Slack 'na' 拿 means control, you often hear 'chin' 擒 na 拿, seize and control. 'Fa' 發 means release, as opposed to 'xu' 蓄 harness. 'Jing' 勁 means explosive power. Power is a function of mass and velocity, both require muscular relaxation and skeletal alignment. All martial arts are about biomechanics.
Martial Man, the question I have is why didn't he actually do it to you by crumpling you down and send you flying effortlessly??? He only did it to his student, which seems how most/all of these demos go, and the students always seem to WAY over-react. Let's see him do that to a half-skilled, resisting opponent who is also trying to do him harm. Martial Man, what did you actually feel? Could he have effortlessly sent you flying? I'm asking Honestly? I would love to feel his energy and but I'm am skeptical unless I actually have it done to me.
I practice yang style tai chi chuan and have the opportunity to do push hands with more senor students of my master, and it's unreal. You stand there solidly and strong and when he catches you elbow you loose your standing, you loose balance feel like you would stand on ice, so you get easily pushed away.
Yes. He could've sent him flying as well. It's like if you go to a martial arts school as a guest, the instructor will go easy on you because he/she doesn't know your background and skill level for sure. IE If I went to a Judo school, they will not throw me hard right off the bat just in case I don't know how to fall properly. Also, the student isn't overreacting. It's a weird feeling when someone does it to you.
Yes, it is a weird feeling. The eyes of the students when my master "sends" them look disoriented and confused. I think IT confuses the central nervous system...Whatever that IT is? It does exist. It would be useful in a real situation unless the opponent has a gun. I stopped training MMA after I felt the "force" or whatever it really is. Why? Harder to find a Jedi knight to teach me this than a BJJ gym in a strip mall.
It's when the opponent does that "odd hop" when Liang moves them that is so suspicious. Although subtle here, you see this same reaction in many McDojo' films coming in from China & other places in the world where it's more exaggerated. I honesty know little about this guy, he may have real game, but THIS stuff looks fishy! That's all I'm pointing out.
You must trust and practice in order to really understand it's impossible to explain something that is totally different like this. This guy should spar with mizner. I wonder why we don't see 2 sifus sparring to improve.
It's not interesting to compare to using muscle force 100 times every video. One good tip on how to make it happen would be so much better than that obnoxious repetition. Sorry for being blunt but it's really annoying.
in fact, it has nothing common with "fireballs" and "hidden energies". It is sofisticated work of mind moving together with body, perfectly trained body. The force applied is not kind of anime... it has much more common with tightrope walking. "you stick and I can not change" - impressive feeling... To make a change is like to lose the contact with the tightrope over the abyss.
/watch?v=p8nuHAH34R0 theres the real thing, if the guy on the left doesnt hold on he would keep flying. This is obvious power, at higher levels they can shift inside their bodies without you seeing anything. Compress that power into a hit and its something different again.
weasel peniz-- That was a pretty good video, thanks. I think the technique in this video is even more subtle than that. I think this practitioner has even better control of his own nervous system and connective tissues. I think they are trying to tell you that control of nerve energy is the key to efficient release of energy from one's own body (like a spring, or a capacitor).
its control of bodyweight / a different way of moving, just like a boxer or any martial artist. Just more subtle use of it. When he's saying root etc, he means the bodyweight not being held within the body.
Imagine that you're pushing a box. If you push it from one of its corners, you are not pushing its center of mass, and the box rotates instead of moving across a distance. Now imagine that you are pushing it at its center. You are pushing the box from its center of mass, and the result is that the box has to move across a distance. Similarly, if you push a person by pushing his arm, he would just move his arm to accommodate your force; the next best thing is if his joint is stiff and you're pushing results in him rotating like the previously discussed box. However, if you push at his center of mass, like the box, he will move across a distance; you can do this in two ways: 1) push him square in his chest, or 2) push at his center of mass through connection with his arm. The 1) method is no mystery. The 2) method works if his joint is stiff, and you are applying a force from a specially chosen angle. That is basically what's being demonstrated in this video. By being Song, or softened/released/relaxed, the sifu follows the student's arm while probing the appropriate angle to push. When the student's arm starts being resistive i.e. stiff, the sifu knows that he starts gaining access to the student's center of mass. Then, at a precise angle, the sifu exerts a force that sends the student across a distance. The student, by being stiff, has trapped himself strategically; the sifu applies a force in a way like you would use a scalpel knife in a surgery. Is this complicated? Very. People studies Tai Chi for years before finally grasping how to manipulate other's limbs with this much control. This isn't some quick and easy self defense technique. This is an art that takes years to master.
Notice when the Sifu applies his energy Martialman gets perhaps believably off balanced. However, the student goes into way overreacting like he’s being ejected across the room lol! No way man. Not buying this at all. I’m open to the chi energy being applied but this is called Shifu worship. If you have sharp as you can see that the student begins to move and then he suddenly further ejects himself unnaturally. Saving face is very important for some people.
Jolie performance d'acteur... Les principes exposées ici sont justes mais faut arrêter le délire de décoller pour rien comme le fait le jeune, c'est ridicule et ça ne rend pas service à la discipline.
MasterofPlay7 Tai Chi Chuan one of those dangerous martial arts ever devised the real stuff let's get blown breaking it hitting vital areas that's nasty
you see I still believed some kung fu have usefulness (that being the southern), the northern styles pretty much been dumped down by the manchurian government in Qing dynasty
THE MARTIAL MAN normally I would have little faith, and think it’s some fake BS, but you as a person seem to go down the honest route. And not knowingly show fake BS. Your channel brings much needed integrity to the more mystic martial arts.... I think it’s something you need to experience. I can only think as 3 points of contact, the student is almost holding onto the teacher for balence, maybe without realising it. Slight shift in centre of mass without knowing. And he controls..
Monkey Nut I’ve felt it before, and yes you are correct to say that your body will instinctively not want to break contact because you feel like you will otherwise fall.
100% I do NOT believe in this at all. There is NO WAY any of this would work on me. All you have to do is relax your arm and then only your arm gets pushed. It is not possible to throw a person this way unless you trick the mind to allow it.
@Mei Jing It IS fake. I don't mean there is not a high level of skill going on but it is a fake game and you have to play by the rules of the fake game for it to work. Its a gimmick. No one can do that to me or anyone who does not buy into the bullshit.
@Mei Jing No need. These guys are a dime a dozen and they can only do it too people who agree to the rules.... It is a real skill and its neat but it doesnt work on uncoperative opponents.
@Mei Jing Two things. 1- that guy is terrible at fighting. 2- even though he is terrible, he is trying, and notice how much less impressive the fake tai chi powers look even against a guy only half trying and who is terrible.
I would love it if you could do a video with Chen yu. To me he seems like the most viable form of the martial aspect of taiji. As much as I envy and respect what this man does I can't see him surviving a fight or even a grappling match. I would love to be wrong but that is my feeling. Much like Adam mizner, they show these amazing unbalancing skills, but Adam mizner has a video called "vs wrestler", or something like that, all of his fa gin stuff flys out the window. He basically becomes a half rate grappler. Yet he allows people to call him "master". As a dedicated taiji student I find it offensive. If "masters" can't step into a mat at a grappling tournament and do these things they need to shut up. We live in a great time for grappling. There is no excuse for these guys not to put their mastery to the test. Thank you for the videos
@@THEMARTIALMAN yes. I stand corrected. I'm sorry. I assumed it was him. But I also stand by my other points. "Master" is a strong word. And in this day and age, especially, it should not be thrown around without "pressure testing". Recently there have been several "masters" that have been crushed in seconds.. Its too easy to show these things on students. If you are gonna let people call you master, get on the mat and put it to the test. That's the beauty of grappling tournaments, you don't have to get punched in the face, or anywhere else. I feel like Chen yu would be able to pull off what he does. What he shows in his videos seems achievable. This fa jin stuff is almost unattainable in any real situation. Maybe I just suck But I have put years into this stuff and I can't do it. So I'd love to see these guys put it to the test. Then I would happily accept that i just suck.
@@timbarry5080 - These are jin training exercises. Would you complain that a boxer doesn't do rope-jumping movements on fight night? The problem is tai chi uses powerful jing in it's strikes, you can't do that in a grappling tournament, and anything less will get you beaten up quite badly as we can see all over youtube.
@@elliotvernon7971 I'm not so sure about that. I mean, I understand that Jin Yong novels popularized him as a character, however I get the impression that someone founded Wudang, and as of right now, the only sources I can find list Zhang Sanfeng as Wudang's founder. Who do you say founded Wudang?
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Whenever the sifu touches his student, the student makes ridiculous gestures and falls on the ground. Whenever he touches you, you just lightly lose your balance. I've trained with masters and I reacted the same as you, I just lightly lose my balance. How do you explain that students are always overreacting each time their master touch them? Is it just a marketing stunt?
shito ryu karateka here who is falling in love with tai chi principles. very thought provoking information!
Ho ho ho... one of the rare precious demos here on youtube. So true, honest demo of important issues - Song as release, not weakness. Thank you for sharing it.
Thank you @The Martial Man. Lost art of Tai Chi is on the rise because of your efforts.
Very good Liang De Hua, and best of all you seem to have a compassionate attitude. Who was is your master? Myself I am of the Huang Sheng Shyan lineage. Plenty of people martial artists or street fighters for that matter can hurt people, and there are plenty of these type of people who like to put themselves in situations where they can do that. Something to prove, an ego problem of some sort, not realising karma has it's way of taking care of things sooner or later. The trickiest opponent or enemy, is the self, he is always with you and can cause you more problems than any other in this life, so evolve friends, there is no end to it.
It’s amazing to see such a resurgence in internal martial arts.
Wow, excellent detailed explanation. The first time I experienced something like this my joints vibrated and I crumpled to the floor. Over time, whole-body conditioning imparts a spring-like quality, that is why the student is seen to bounce away. This is all a teaching exercise, not actual fighting.
Sifu Liang did a great job at explaining a challenging subject. Thank you for the comment
Martial man has done great job. Anybody to support him it Will be valuable. So, he can do even more
Thank you
THX, Sifu. Much respect and gratitude for your brief instruction. I am glad there are still masters like you although few; it has always been about quality not quantity.
When you push or pull upon a person, even gently, both of your bodies perceive the need to readjust balance -- this is a reflex, and so it is impossible to unlearn. This technique, and a few others like it (also in Tai Chi), "attack" the body's reflex to regain balance. By applying a bit of force and then abruptly changing the direction of that force in a clever way, it is possible to manipulate the opponent's movements -- force them to turn, force them to take at least one step in the direction of your choice, and yes even make them fall down in some cases.
What you may not realize is that this technique is EVERYWHERE. You see it in boxing, out of the clinch. You see it on the line in football, on both sides. You see it in basketball when someone is in a close guard and there is body contact. The only difference here is that in all of these cases, this isn't a taught skill but just something one of these athletes picked up intuitively. Tai Chi identified the nature of what is happening, and deliberately teaches manipulation of someone's sense of balance as a skill. It is very nearly the only martial art that does so, with the exception of certain Aikido techniques that manipulate the opponent's head with a relaxed motion to force them to fall down.
The people who know this technique don't relay on it. Everyone saying "I would totally trounce this guy" are missing that this is just one arrow in a very deadly quiver. If this technique doesn't get you (although I promise you it would; the only way to avoid this is not to come into contact, aka run away), something else they know might. It's bluster to declare that you could "beat someone in a fight" when you don't even know the depth of their training.
It takes less than a year to learn a technique like this, at least the basics of it. I learned more than one in less than that, and even without practice it is not that difficult to recall and use. It is not like other skills that require muscle memory and a fit healthy frame. It is almost entirely just a knowledge base, an understanding of what is happening internally to your opponent.
I agree with everything you've said, minus one. There's much more ki involved in aikido than you give it credit for.
I love what you have said but it cannot work on a person who does not already believe in it and comply with it. It is NOT impossible to let your arm go limp rather than be pushed away. This is BS for CERTAIN and only those who comply are effected by it.
@@TheCenterSpirit you know this because you've tried it, or you concluded based on some theories?
@@kongkong1364 I know this based on experience. As long as you stand how they ask you to stand and do what they ask you to do it works a little. There is something there. However you have to agree to a whole set of implied parameterts for it to work. Its a trick.
@@TheCenterSpirit Magician tricks of suggestion , even with 1 foot , you could keep your balance.
Fantastic interview/demonstration. Thank you!
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Love the explanations. True and deep.
But not true...
Always great and no-deception! Thanks.
Thanks for the comment
But literally all deception. Bullshito
Like to see that in a full speed attack. At full speed does timing become a factor ? And how long does it take to developer that?
Being able to relax in combat and use internal force is probably the most difficult aspect. I believe this is what separates masters from legends.
Yes timing and distance become a factor. I don't know what the Chinese word for this concept is as I was trained in Aikido, but the Japanese word for the concept is maai: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maai. Chi and maai are basically the two most important concepts in the internal arts. How long it takes to develop always depends on the student and the teacher.
I can say that it's way easier to do in Judo (because I have done it repeatedly) verses a guy who grabs you than a guy that punches. It has to happen at the moment of contact before the striker can start retracting their arm. Maai is a factor in both but it's way more critical when someone is striking you. Though now I am curious how to apply it with a traditional boxing style cover up verses blocking, as I am not a fan of blocking. I'm sure it can be done, but would require lots of mat time with progressively faster striking. Now my head's exploding. LOL
Absolutely amazing. He’s a real Shifu.
How to practice this?
I love the arguments where MMA students explain MMA is tested and proven. So, Kung Fu, which has been used in war, street fights and completion is not proven... even though it has existed for a thousand years... love this Chanel.
kung fu people should stop taking credit just from their ancestors to jutify their current lack in skill.
One can understand why this knowledge has always been kept secret. Gotta say I cringe at the prospect of MMA idiots getting their hands on it. But then they're probably too shallow to be interested anyway.
@John Smith Hence there was so much secrecy in China and there's more discipline and respect in most traditional cultures. Patience, wisdom, humility...everything Western cultures have lost.
To be honest, Chinese Martial Arts(CMA) is long lost. A famous martial artist and actor called Sek Kin from Hong Kong was born around 1910. His master is from the mid to late 1800s. Here's what his master taught him, "If someone likes to move their head left and right a lot, you hook them. If they bob their head up and down a lot, you uppercut them."
This is a VERY important quote. It means before the cultural revolution completely messed up CMA, fighters in China used to bob and weave, and use foot work. This whole "grounding yourself and throwing very straight solid punches" thing only showed up in the late 1900s because performance Kung Fu took over the Fighting Kung Fu.
As for REAL CMA from ancient China? I believe they're the real thing. When the Mongolians took over the entire world and were unstoppable, Yue Fei was the only person to have a 10 year winning streak against them in war. Yue Fei supposedly is the creator of Eagle Claw. One of the most skilled fighter/tactician in human history wouldn't create a useless martial art.
@Mei Jing a person trained to fight in a free context even without weapon, and even an angry person not used to weapon fights, , will be more able to fight, even with a sword, than whoever pretend to train fighting coreographies with a sword and to be an expert because of this.
It is a story tha martial art people say to themseleves to self brainwash on the effectiveness of their training.
And I say this, while I am a traditional martial artist.
You will tell that it is my problem, and it is fine.
Good luck with fairytales.
great demostration how to use fajin from your inter source
He is saying things that are totally beyond us. I want to know what to practice to attain that relaxed inner power. I guess the arts that use it have various ways to bring out that energy, but it's all the same. What happens when 2 advanced masters use this energy against each other. Do you have any videos of this guy practicing with another like him? I am curious how the same energy reacts when it encounters opposing force.
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This is good. It would be great with a bit more 'how to' in it. Thanks!
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Awesome skill
Excellent explanation
Al Fernandez FDZ Happy to hear that you enjoyed it.
What are the basic excercise one is required to practise before we can apply the technique ??
You have to understand tai chi walking to apply any of it. Then you need to know how to make the tai chi diagram. Then you need to understand twei shou, then you learn li/chi inshuing then you need to understand tai chi powers and you will understand this. Wayson lau did a book on tai chi jing, chen pan ling did a text book on yang style, ma yuah Liang did a book on wu style pushing hands. And these three books will have basic training for understanding the information.
does Chen style use the same technique as well? I've seen these effortless "fajins" just in Yang or Wu, so am curious about Chen...thanks!
great videos
Syncing or Sinking?
Is It feel different to Sifu Mizner?
Only in that one focuses on the use of pushing hands and the other the yang style forms.
Is there a part 4 coming soon? Really looking forward to part 4? Thanks so much.
Lots of other videos with Sifu Liang on the martial mans website
Interesting I actually understood that. I've been working on it, just releasing, and let my energy flow downward. Is that the extent of what I should be doing to develop sung?
You should spend your time learning real martial arts.
how the feel of connection inside of the body ?
Really cool. I intend to buy some videos when I can.
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wow brilliant
Sifu Liang is the real deal 🙏
That forearms should not be underestimated. (pay attention at his size)
Where is he located if we want to learn
Sifu Liang is located in Thailand and teaches workshops around the world. facebook.com/LiangDeHuaInternalArts
@@THEMARTIALMAN It is 100% deception to say that a person cannot pull their arm back during this application. The master NEEDS you to continue to resist him in order for any of this to work. In other words all you have to do is relax the arm and the connection is ended.
@Mei Jing He is moving an entire persons body by pushing on the arm....... Sorry but unless you cooperate this is impossible. This is BS of the highest order. You MUST cooperate for this to work..... its dumb.
@@TheCenterSpirit why don't you go try it and tell us afterward?
Save your money and learn real martial arts, Paul.
I am sorry. He is clearly starting to fall backwards before the push even begins. At time 0:11 you can see it in slow motion. The very first thing shown on the video shows the receiver moving before the push starts.
Charles Reed nothing wrong, that is precisely what should happen. The ‘pushing’ motion is just a follow through to ‘send’ one away.
He keeps explaining that it is all about the opponent loosing their balance and at that point the opponent needs to lean on something to steady themselves.
Is it Tai Chi?
Yes..Yang Style..
Nice video.. keep it up..
My friend's Teacher in Taiwan years ago said Kung Fu is useless if you don't have or develope the power first. My friend spent a little over 1 year learning chi kung, then he learned Chen Style Taichi from his Teacher.
lol all of this garbage is useless.
Awesome sauce
Where can I see examples of this sifu sparring with someone?
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This is complete bullshit dude. Go seek real martial arts.
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How can you sink without dropping? Difficult to understand.
You practice to relax the whole body when you do form or standing chigong. It's a natural thing that takes place when you relax
The body learns to be a medium of returning movement imposed on it by an external element
It's all bullshit man...
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please fsk and investigate how to devevp fading
Why doesn't he just relax his arm when is applies his jin? I don't get why this soft pushing should effect his center when he simply could inhibit it reaching his center.
There are many levels of relaxation, in fact if you are more "song" (relaxed) than your opponent, you affect his center and he doesn't affect yours.
In fact the student could have avoided it only if he had relaxed his arm more than the teacher.
Exactly!@@vicwarrior106
@@vicwarrior106 I achieved a level of relaxation so deep once that I shat my pants and my attacker just took my money and was too disgusted to harm me. Internal martial arts work!
zhong du huang se luang nian jian chu jong kshu du yang zhi nah chen li huang xiao qiang zai zhen xa chin shi te li shu shi zai tong shan yang dui kong shu pai hai ta xüe xin tun mei xia ih shi ta xüe sheng hai she diao jun yen dui shui
chun tang pai yen lao li song zai xiao linn
Anyone ever experience this first hand?
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Yeah. Trained with a guy called Chee Soo. When I grabbed him he felt like water.
Nice.
His Master has a ghost behind him. It is his ghost that is pulling and pushing you, not him.
Why doesn't he just take a step back instead of hoping like hes flying.
because when sinking energy is applied to you, you lose your balance
He's definitely being obnoxiously theatrical about getting pushed back, but they talk about it in the video. Watch the whole thing.
is sung a sinking of the organs and. red muscle inside the viscera eyc. to be used as a counterweight to the soft tisues and skeleton? this guy certainly has " it".
no, sung is an active relaxation actually it is uplifting you feel lighter, but you sink your energies into the ground and from the ground you get strength and stability.
If "it" is referring to complete bullshit then I think you nailed it.
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I need to know what 'na' 'fah' and 'jing' is...
Slack 'na' 拿 means control, you often hear 'chin' 擒 na 拿, seize and control. 'Fa' 發 means release, as opposed to 'xu' 蓄 harness. 'Jing' 勁 means explosive power. Power is a function of mass and velocity, both require muscular relaxation and skeletal alignment. All martial arts are about biomechanics.
Thanks!
It's all bullshit man; learn real martial arts.
Martial Man, the question I have is why didn't he actually do it to you by crumpling you down and send you flying effortlessly??? He only did it to his student, which seems how most/all of these demos go, and the students always seem to WAY over-react. Let's see him do that to a half-skilled, resisting opponent who is also trying to do him harm. Martial Man, what did you actually feel? Could he have effortlessly sent you flying? I'm asking Honestly? I would love to feel his energy and but I'm am skeptical unless I actually have it done to me.
I practice yang style tai chi chuan and have the opportunity to do push hands with more senor students of my master, and it's unreal. You stand there solidly and strong and when he catches you elbow you loose your standing, you loose balance feel like you would stand on ice, so you get easily pushed away.
I guarantee you if so call senior student tried any of this stuff in a real fight, they be sleeping for days.
Yes. He could've sent him flying as well. It's like if you go to a martial arts school as a guest, the instructor will go easy on you because he/she doesn't know your background and skill level for sure. IE If I went to a Judo school, they will not throw me hard right off the bat just in case I don't know how to fall properly. Also, the student isn't overreacting. It's a weird feeling when someone does it to you.
Yes, it is a weird feeling. The eyes of the students when my master "sends" them look disoriented and confused. I think IT confuses the central nervous system...Whatever that IT is? It does exist. It would be useful in a real situation unless the opponent has a gun. I stopped training MMA after I felt the "force" or whatever it really is. Why? Harder to find a Jedi knight to teach me this than a BJJ gym in a strip mall.
Lol I've been training BJJ for 18 months and just quit. I'm now training kung fu.. I would love to feel this hidden force.
It's when the opponent does that "odd hop" when Liang moves them that is so suspicious. Although subtle here, you see this same reaction in many McDojo' films coming in from China & other places in the world where it's more exaggerated. I honesty know little about this guy, he may have real game, but THIS stuff looks fishy! That's all I'm pointing out.
It's all complete bullshit dude lol
Makes me wonder how people believe in all this.
@@Llucius1 People knowingly drank cyanide-laced Kool-Aid my man...
@@brandontodd14 Must be good stuff...
yang se bahn peng zhi chie hua chin kung xiong jing zai zai shi chin keng xiong chi hai
chun tang pai yen lao li song hai
Let's simple fajin! It's everyone can do it.
song, roughly translated; = "listening" . But in Tai Chi, it's applied to Fa Jin as well. Sink, listen, (feel) expel
You must trust and practice in order to really understand it's impossible to explain something that is totally different like this. This guy should spar with mizner. I wonder why we don't see 2 sifus sparring to improve.
Liang and Adam have been sparring and training together for many years.
It's not interesting to compare to using muscle force 100 times every video. One good tip on how to make it happen would be so much better than that obnoxious repetition. Sorry for being blunt but it's really annoying.
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Looks like a form of hidden telekinesis. Electromagnetic forces controlled by the attention. Genius video.
in fact, it has nothing common with "fireballs" and "hidden energies". It is sofisticated work of mind moving together with body, perfectly trained body. The force applied is not kind of anime... it has much more common with tightrope walking. "you stick and I can not change" - impressive feeling... To make a change is like to lose the contact with the tightrope over the abyss.
/watch?v=p8nuHAH34R0 theres the real thing, if the guy on the left doesnt hold on he would keep flying. This is obvious power, at higher levels they can shift inside their bodies without you seeing anything. Compress that power into a hit and its something different again.
weasel peniz-- That was a pretty good video, thanks. I think the technique in this video is even more subtle than that. I think this practitioner has even better control of his own nervous system and connective tissues. I think they are trying to tell you that control of nerve energy is the key to efficient release of energy from one's own body (like a spring, or a capacitor).
its control of bodyweight / a different way of moving, just like a boxer or any martial artist. Just more subtle use of it. When he's saying root etc, he means the bodyweight not being held within the body.
Imagine that you're pushing a box. If you push it from one of its corners, you are not pushing its center of mass, and the box rotates instead of moving across a distance. Now imagine that you are pushing it at its center. You are pushing the box from its center of mass, and the result is that the box has to move across a distance. Similarly, if you push a person by pushing his arm, he would just move his arm to accommodate your force; the next best thing is if his joint is stiff and you're pushing results in him rotating like the previously discussed box. However, if you push at his center of mass, like the box, he will move across a distance; you can do this in two ways: 1) push him square in his chest, or 2) push at his center of mass through connection with his arm. The 1) method is no mystery. The 2) method works if his joint is stiff, and you are applying a force from a specially chosen angle. That is basically what's being demonstrated in this video.
By being Song, or softened/released/relaxed, the sifu follows the student's arm while probing the appropriate angle to push. When the student's arm starts being resistive i.e. stiff, the sifu knows that he starts gaining access to the student's center of mass. Then, at a precise angle, the sifu exerts a force that sends the student across a distance. The student, by being stiff, has trapped himself strategically; the sifu applies a force in a way like you would use a scalpel knife in a surgery. Is this complicated? Very. People studies Tai Chi for years before finally grasping how to manipulate other's limbs with this much control. This isn't some quick and easy self defense technique. This is an art that takes years to master.
Notice when the Sifu applies his energy Martialman gets perhaps believably off balanced. However, the student goes into way overreacting like he’s being ejected across the room lol! No way man. Not buying this at all. I’m open to the chi energy being applied but this is called Shifu worship. If you have sharp as you can see that the student begins to move and then he suddenly further ejects himself unnaturally. Saving face is very important for some people.
Jolie performance d'acteur... Les principes exposées ici sont justes mais faut arrêter le délire de décoller pour rien comme le fait le jeune, c'est ridicule et ça ne rend pas service à la discipline.
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its just like in aikido,its the same principle.
nonamegod666 Not the same
Right as in they are both bullshit.
so taichi isn't fake? At the moment the mma guy beat up the taichi master, I thought taichi lost all of its credibility
MasterofPlay7 Good Tai chi is hard to find.
MasterofPlay7 Tai Chi Chuan one of those dangerous martial arts ever devised the real stuff let's get blown breaking it hitting vital areas that's nasty
Bone breaking
yeah right, the mma guy finished up the tai chi master within seconds
you see I still believed some kung fu have usefulness (that being the southern), the northern styles pretty much been dumped down by the manchurian government in Qing dynasty
Oh brother
Sticking hands.........????? Spider-Man
Honestly I’ve live to try unsticking against that. Seems totally fake.
Monkey Nut Liang De Hua is the real deal.
THE MARTIAL MAN normally I would have little faith, and think it’s some fake BS, but you as a person seem to go down the honest route. And not knowingly show fake BS. Your channel brings much needed integrity to the more mystic martial arts....
I think it’s something you need to experience.
I can only think as 3 points of contact, the student is almost holding onto the teacher for balence, maybe without realising it. Slight shift in centre of mass without knowing. And he controls..
Monkey Nut I’ve felt it before, and yes you are correct to say that your body will instinctively not want to break contact because you feel like you will otherwise fall.
100% I do NOT believe in this at all. There is NO WAY any of this would work on me. All you have to do is relax your arm and then only your arm gets pushed. It is not possible to throw a person this way unless you trick the mind to allow it.
@Mei Jing It IS fake. I don't mean there is not a high level of skill going on but it is a fake game and you have to play by the rules of the fake game for it to work. Its a gimmick. No one can do that to me or anyone who does not buy into the bullshit.
@Mei Jing No need. These guys are a dime a dozen and they can only do it too people who agree to the rules.... It is a real skill and its neat but it doesnt work on uncoperative opponents.
@Mei Jing Two things.
1- that guy is terrible at fighting.
2- even though he is terrible, he is trying, and notice how much less impressive the fake tai chi powers look even against a guy only half trying and who is terrible.
@@TheCenterSpirit get on a plane
I'm just wondering if you have bothered to experience this yet?
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Can't be for real. Try that with me, he be seeing stars.
Your cup is full... so sad
Bulshido
I would love it if you could do a video with Chen yu. To me he seems like the most viable form of the martial aspect of taiji. As much as I envy and respect what this man does I can't see him surviving a fight or even a grappling match. I would love to be wrong but that is my feeling. Much like Adam mizner, they show these amazing unbalancing skills, but Adam mizner has a video called "vs wrestler", or something like that, all of his fa gin stuff flys out the window. He basically becomes a half rate grappler. Yet he allows people to call him "master". As a dedicated taiji student I find it offensive. If "masters" can't step into a mat at a grappling tournament and do these things they need to shut up. We live in a great time for grappling. There is no excuse for these guys not to put their mastery to the test. Thank you for the videos
The video you mentioned (vs Wrestler) is not of Adam, it is one of Adam's students.
@@THEMARTIALMAN its Adam vs one of his students. Or so I thought. I apologize if I'm wrong. But it looks like Adam to me.
@@timbarry5080 It is not Adam, it is his student (Ramzi)
@@THEMARTIALMAN yes. I stand corrected. I'm sorry. I assumed it was him. But I also stand by my other points. "Master" is a strong word. And in this day and age, especially, it should not be thrown around without "pressure testing". Recently there have been several "masters" that have been crushed in seconds.. Its too easy to show these things on students. If you are gonna let people call you master, get on the mat and put it to the test. That's the beauty of grappling tournaments, you don't have to get punched in the face, or anywhere else. I feel like Chen yu would be able to pull off what he does. What he shows in his videos seems achievable. This fa jin stuff is almost unattainable in any real situation. Maybe I just suck But I have put years into this stuff and I can't do it. So I'd love to see these guys put it to the test. Then I would happily accept that i just suck.
@@timbarry5080 - These are jin training exercises. Would you complain that a boxer doesn't do rope-jumping movements on fight night? The problem is tai chi uses powerful jing in it's strikes, you can't do that in a grappling tournament, and anything less will get you beaten up quite badly as we can see all over youtube.
Cultivation isn't 1/10th as strong now as it was in the days of Zhang Sanfeng.
This stuff is useless now. No one who learns it becomes a hero.
Khechari Zhang Sanfeng is a mythical character who wasn’t related to taijiquan until the early 20th century.
@@elliotvernon7971 I'm not so sure about that. I mean, I understand that Jin Yong novels popularized him as a character, however I get the impression that someone founded Wudang, and as of right now, the only sources I can find list Zhang Sanfeng as Wudang's founder.
Who do you say founded Wudang?
Extra emphasis on the "cult"
@@brandontodd14 Maybe. Everything is like that though. Even political parties in 'The Politically Divided States of Amerigo Vespucci' are cults now.
@@VegetoStevieD But it boils down to what works and what doesn't. This doesn't.
HAHAHAHAH
Exactly...Can't believe people believe this shit.
WOW is this the new type of Martial arts?.. or as i call it BULLSH!T arts.
PS: i hope the actor get's paid.
you can call it whatever but your opinion doesn't matter
It's not ancient but it's still about 200 years old, so not new.
well thats 12 mins ill never get back...
LMFAO LOLOLOL LMFAO
Fa sol lá si do re mi
if its real chi energy he must show his chi power and this magical energy realease on some one els exept his student,
Amir Nassibi it is shown clearly on myself in several videos and I'm not a student of Sifu Liang.
Great video. I can see how my sinking isn't good enough yet. I love these details about Song.