The Ryswells are implied as horse skinshangers. Brandon liked to hang out with them. Him and Lyanna were like centaurs and so on. So if the young lord Dustin who died at the Tower of Joy had been a Ryswell, a skinchanger, he would have a second life in his horse. So Ned actually did something honourable when he returned the horse.
Maybe it was the same with Dawn? If Ned executed Arthur Dayne with his own sword. His soul could be trapped in Dawn, and then brought to rest or to a nice afterlife with his ancestors at Starfall. And again, that is a parallel to Ice. Ned is executed by his own sword. His blood and soul are in there. Rob wanted it back along with his bones. Perhaps both things are needed to pass to the afterlife in the Weirwoods. The proper rituals are needed as well. Cleaning the sword in the pond in front of the Heart tree, the bones among the roots and so on. It aligns with both the magic of the story as well as real world religious beliefs.
Pretty sure Lady Barbrey went down to the crypts to verify Wyman Manderly's story, that Bran & Rickon are still alive. But don't get me wrong she was definitely happy to get her two minutes of hate in, lol
@@serpounce5699 and I know somebody in the live stream chat said that she was down there to find an escape route but as far as I know she didn't find any evidence of one or really even look for one That could be why Mance is looking for them, though. Or maybe he's thinks for the Horn of Winter is down there or something, idk
Hey, thanks for your content! Here are some thoughts I have about Barbery Dustin. Firstly, she surely knows that it’s not Arya Stark. I think she probably would have gone to a harvest feast at Winterfell and had an interest in Ned’s children. She would have noted Arya particularly as she was the only true born child of Ned that really looked like him. Ned has said how Arya looks like Lyanna, who it sounds like Barbery knew. Barbery had Jeyne Poole in her care right before the wedding, she had plenty of time to get a good look at her. Second, I think that Barbery may be bitter but she is really playing it up. Okay, yeah, she didn’t get to be a Stark and ended up marrying Lord Dustin who wasn’t her first choice. She was married to him for a very short time when he was sent away to war. I doubt she would have been super in love with him. In fact, his death made her the Lady of Barrowton ruling in her own right. Those wrongs perpetrated by the Starks are ancient history. Has she really been sitting there fanning those resentments? They are nothing compared to what the Boltons and Freys have done. She lost men at the red wedding and knows the Boltons were involved. She knows what Ramsey did to Lady Hornwood. Even if she wasn’t close with Lady Hornwood she must recognize the similarity of their circumstances and see herself a bit . She loved Domeric and knows Ramsey killed him. I think she is has actually been communicating with Manderly (eschewing the maesters and their ravens of course) and asks to see the crypts to verify his story. Her criticism about Manderly being a craven and being friendly with the Boltons despite the death of his son is actually a criticism of Roose (who does nothing to Ramsey even though he knows he killed Domeric)and an attempt to cover for Manderly’s over the top friendliness ( no subtlety whatsoever). When she tells Theon not to tell anyone what she said, she is fully counting on him to tell Roose or Ramsey; it’s an attempt to reinforce the idea that she’s on their side as she hates the Starks sooo much. The north remembers. Anyway, that’s my take. Sorry, little long.
All good points, and I definitely think she was down there to verify Manderly's story. It's why she mentions the swords being missing, because that's one of the details she was trying to verify
Whoa. At 43:55. The flirtation was giving me strong Lady Weber vibes, the shift of the hair, mounting the bench like a horse, spider?, then she said her name. Rohanne? Whoa.
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Can we talk about how the Winterfell crypts make no sense?? WHY would they start with the oldest Starks at the bottom??! The only answer I've ever seen that solves this, is that the crypts are a cave, a weirwood cave that the Starks started using. The are going to be running out of space very soon.
I love these streams and videos! It's interesting to me, the deeper I dive into these, how despite being a life long reader, that there is this...shadow world living beneath the story. I think my mind subconsciously has been picking up on it, even just reading the first line of this chapter, there's a poignancy to it that defies description. My mind revels in it, as it does these streams. Does anybody have a book or video they could recommend as to the fundamentals of symbolism, so that I could begin learning better on how to pick up on it, how to interpret it, etc? (Besides continuing to watch these videos, which I will do haha)
The parallel action of the Bran and Theon chapters always makes me feel like Theon is going to become Bran's tool in some way. Perhaps they do give Theon for the trees, only for him to rise as a zombie. Like Jaime, Theon's arc is predicated on the idea of redemption and we will see that arc finished when he finally has a vehicle to atone for his sins against his family (the Starks). Not sure what that vehicle is tho. PS - Tim's comment about the black coffin at the heart of winter reminds me of The Thing.
I think the whole point of Aaron holding the kingsmoot, an old tradition not used in ages, and we’re told the story of another ironborn leader whose name was Torran (I think) the “late comer” who should have been eligible for a kingsmoot in his time but couldn’t come, he made an appeal and the king from that moot was deposed and a new one was held and Mr. Late comer was chosen king. It seems likely we’re given this history to make a precedent for Theon to make his claim and sit the sea stone chair. Euron will claim it first by a false election by his own picked men and will very powerful so it’ll be hard to deny his the throne whether he’s legitimate or not, Theon can’t do it by force so he’ll likely do it thru political means while our hero’s destroy euron eventually. I think it fits in lots of ways for the characters and mag lead the iron born away from violence, I would certainly think Theon would decry no more thralls or slaves, no more gRape, no more torture. I could certainly be wrong and grrm has many options in where to lead the story
Great work as always guys. Loved the live concert nostalgia at the end. One thing I’m hooked on is the parallels to the current women of Winterfell to Lady Rohanne Weber. Most memorable concert was EODM at a small rock venue in the ghetto of EastVan, hanging out with Boots Electric smoking a joint before the show. Rocked the house. It was less than two months before Bataclan.
Soft Machine!?!! No way! They're from my old stomping ground. Canterbury is basically the secret birthplace of prog. Load of other famous proggers either came from there, or went to college there.
DAVID!! I’m just at the point where you’re discussing the idea of Ygg the serpent god and the Yggdrasil weir woods, and I agree with you and Tim on the Lovecraft ghostwritten connection. But also in the Norse understanding of Yggdrasil, there is infact in most depictions a serpent within the roots of the tree. He has a significance that is escaping me this moment. But I’ve been on a Viking documentaries kick lately lol.
109: Theon has turned to the Old Gods because the black pond (that clearly leads to BR’s cave) is frozen over? Going to hear Tim’s ideas now. We love you GWT❤
Speaking of amps blowing at live shows, I saw the mars volta at an outdoor show that was going good until some idiot threw piss onstage and shorted Omar's amp..then cedric(lead singer) told the audience to bring him the guy's head and walked offstage after more ranting about the venue..then my buddy and I ended up in the security area (for smokin weed) and they dragged in a guy in leg shackles and handcuffed, shirtless and all beat up..we assumed he was the pee thrower..then they let us go in time to see the chili peppers..great stream dudes, love the dual read throughs!
HP Lovecraft was a very good writer and if you are unfamiliar with his work I'd recommend starting with "The Strange High House in the Mist" or "The Thing on The Doorstep". The latter which has to do with deep ones as quite a few of his stories do.
I know I'm in the minority here, but I really like the "white walker day care" idea. As in they become baby white walkers and there is an actual white walker community in the lands of always winter. One of the things I like to do is to make book and show continuities both being able to exist within the same lore; due to this, I see White Walkers and The Others as two separate things (even though I'm sure they're supposed to be the same). The Others are the pale, icey shadows who are the expelled Greenmen spirits and the White Walkers are what we see in the show. Going a little off topic, but is the new Snow show picks up where Season 8 left off, there's no reason why it can't be revealed that both The Others and the White Walkers exist within the same continuity. Sorry for going off topic a little there, the notion of White Walker Day Care pricked my ears!
Hold on. This helps out my inkling that the line, “the Others take your eyes” , is really important. They’re doing something with brains and eyes. I think that line means that the others could see through your eyes, so to speak. Green-deer magic and all. The north doesn’t actually remember, but a lot of their swear words and curses probably actually have some truth lol.
Could her husband still be alive in the Neck? Wouldn’t Ned have had his bones stored for later transport if he couldn’t bring them? It would be so important for the Lord of Barrows bones to be returned… If there wasn’t a fight at the Tower at all he could be hiding with the Reeds. Her reaction sure would be interesting if those old bones came out of the swamp… And who is still around now who knows Howland Reed by sight? But people would still know Lord Dustin if info needed to be given about Jon….
I'm about to Hunter S Thompson this shit....so if Bran is actually eating Jojen's brain like you said and the pineal gland supposedly produces DMT, which of course makes you hallucinate and is also associated with the "third eye" in many spiritual beliefs....I mean maybe? I'm not sure eating someone's pineal gland would make you trip but maybe that's where George is going?! Eating the "third eye" of a psychic would be a way to go I guess lol 😂
"Etymologically, the name Kyra has several possible origins. One theory suggests that it is the Anglicized version of the Greek name Kyriake, which means “of the Lord” or “belonging to the Lord.” Another possible root of the name Kyra is the Russian name Kira, which means “throne” or “ruler.” In Persian, Kyra means “like the sun,” and in Sanskrit, it means “a throne or seat of honor.” " Keira: "A modern feminine form of Kieran, from Irish ciar (“black, dark, little dark one”)."
2:35:34 - mmm I'm not sure it's only symbolism! The barrows are telling us something important about the most ancient Northern burial customs, and we're exposed to then very early on in GoT. The first few chapters of the book give us all 3 in a row: being fed to the trees, being buried in crypts, and the barrows, which are the most ancient. Barrows are equivalent to cairns, which are supposedly what Ned did to his companions after the ToJ. I believe it's a hint that the first men's adoption of the CotF religion (post-barrows) had something sinister or tricksy about it, and we see that when it comes to regular humans joining/feeding the weirwood net - it's reserved for criminals, deserters and traitors. The Starks themselves don't partake, and seem fearful of releasing their souls inside the crypt (which very well may be a former weirwood cave)
interesting thoughts. there couod be something to the general idea of keeping vengeful spirits locked up - the Starks could be babysitting the godswood because it's a prison for the Others
At 134: there are no Starks in Winterfell but there is a Nights Watchman, Mance, Theon, an adopted? Stark and Jeyne.? Calling down a storm from within the crypts, possibly Benjen?
One of Bran's chapters tells you where the secret tunnel is. Theon is being called to the weirwood by Bran. Bran will tell him the passageway. Just read bran's chapter where he is exploring winterfell :) "The builders had not even leveled the earth; there were hills and valleys behind the walls of Winterfell. There was a covered bridge that went from the fourth floor of the bell tower across to the second floor of the rookery. Bran knew about that. And he knew you could get inside the inner wall by the south gate, climb three floors and run all the way around Winterfell through a narrow tunnel in the stone, and then come out on ground level at the north gate, with a hundred feet of wall looming over you. Even Maester Luwin didn't know that, Bran was convinced." It mentions in this chapter that the two walls are filling with snow, so that may make accessing this entrance easier.
Bran eats the brain, Danny the heart… all we need now is for the Kings Road to turn gold, and for Jon to find his courage. Then together they can unmask the great and powerful Oz! 😂
The swords have somthing to do with the afterlife as well. Nissa Nissa's blood and soul went into the steel. Maybe a part of Edrick Snowbeard Stark is still in Hodors sword? Or is it only a memory of Valyrian steel? Is it Ice who keeps the dead in their tombs becaus it can kill Other's? Or has it somthing to do with the original Ice aka Dawn?
PBS has a film recording of Pink Floyd Pulse, the concert performed in Great Britain in 1994. I could not give it a higher recommendation. Listen to it and tell us what you think
A Dornishmans wife IS a Northman’s daughter, if Mance is Arthur Dayne and he married Lyanna before she died…Can’t help but think things got bad between Rhaegar and Lyanna, and Arthur chose her side….
Sansa, ?Alys?, Jeyne, and ?Cat? in the Lysa letter scene (maybe, foggy memory) all end up in a cloak from marriage. Furry one for marrying a skin-changer, I don’t remember Sansa’s but probably less animal-ish than the others. Barbary wears hers since she to married a skin-changer, (the cloak metaphor doubles as a clue link to the Boltons), specifically marrying Brandon at the tree with no witnesses. Her lips are “like Ramsey’s “ because she’s his actual mother. In some clue sets about the previous generation she’s the eldest sister of three: the other two Lyanna and Cat. Each dealt with similar marriage set ups in different ways, metaphorically like different timelines of what choices women have in this setting. Barbary plotted long revenge with the enemy of the Starks (note: she probably didn’t let Roose know), Lyanna tried to overthrow the government marrying someone who won’t or can’t sleep with her, and Cat went along with who she was given till she ended up in Lyanna’s and Barbary’s position later: literally no choice was the right one. The “stone women” stuff like “a lain stone” is because men are walking on them or/and being stepped over in hierarchy sense; which creates “Stoneheart” and terrible wrath… “a woman scorned” and all that. A dire warning about the power of woman and the consequences of treating them wrong. Literally a modern tale of ?Madea? from Greek Myth with the murder weddings and that Dowager queen from Shakespeare.
Why do the snowy sentinels have to be Others? To me, the fact that there are 79 (or whatever large number) sentinels at the Night Fort would suggest they are the whytes, just cause there are so many of them.
I don't buy Lady Dustin's story about how she hates Ned so much. She even says she hardly knew her husband. Plus, she's only a Dustin by marriage, so she likely doesn't hold burial quite as sacred as the blood of the Barrow Kings. BUT it's good enough to gain Theon's trust and get access to the crypts. I have a suspicion Barbrey was really in love with Ned, hence the last lingering look.
I find it annoying that everyone says the 3 eyed raven is Bloodraven. George hasn't verified that yet. I also think it's him but, we don't know yet lol
it's not annoying, it's directly implied by the story. Any other theory is far-fetched and counter-intuitive. Doesn't mean impossible, but there are zero clues that it's anyone else
@greywastetim I saw the Sex Pistols on their anniversary tour in Aug. 25th 1996 in Toronto with the original bassist pre-Sid. Glen Matlock. Good fun. @DavidLightbringer I love All things Maynard. Check out Curve from the 90s. Good tunes. Saw them live in a bar that use to be an opera house (and they named it that) and it was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Sisters of Mercy is a great band as well good live show. Live! Was a great show too. I once saw G&R and Zodiac Mindwarp and the love reaction open for Iron Maiden. Run DMC, a new years show with Kiss, I’m 52 so i saw all the 80 rock bands lol Tool /APC are in every playlist but I never saw them live sadly. Also great video. ;)
Sorry, had to take my like away because I accidentally took it from 420 to 421 for a second. Can't fuck with sacred math! . . . Ok, we powered past it so I restored my like as we head towards 666!
Quite disappointed. I've sent through the same question twice on paypall and it's not been addressed. I wna support the program, Byt would be nice if my questions were addressed. Unfortunately I'm hardly ever able to catch the stream live. So I have to send my questions after the fact. Still, I support the programme, don't my questions deserve to be answered? Or is it cause my questions refer to menstruation and LML is too embarrassed to touch on the topic?
Just pointing out that the phrase moon blood is quite uncommon in the real world, but basically the only way Martin describes menstruation. I think its deliberate. I think he wants us to link broken moons and dragons and period blood. Just wanted LMLs input
@@Larissa1740pringiersit’s main function (I’m sure there are many functions to moon blood) in the story is to point to the moon as pregnancy: specifically Daenerys’ future daughter: the “song” of Ice and Fire, who will be given to the Others to replace to hive queen (who is leaving to start a new hive, died, or most likely dying.)
The Ryswells are implied as horse skinshangers. Brandon liked to hang out with them. Him and Lyanna were like centaurs and so on. So if the young lord Dustin who died at the Tower of Joy had been a Ryswell, a skinchanger, he would have a second life in his horse. So Ned actually did something honourable when he returned the horse.
Maybe it was the same with Dawn? If Ned executed Arthur Dayne with his own sword. His soul could be trapped in Dawn, and then brought to rest or to a nice afterlife with his ancestors at Starfall.
And again, that is a parallel to Ice. Ned is executed by his own sword. His blood and soul are in there. Rob wanted it back along with his bones. Perhaps both things are needed to pass to the afterlife in the Weirwoods. The proper rituals are needed as well. Cleaning the sword in the pond in front of the Heart tree, the bones among the roots and so on.
It aligns with both the magic of the story as well as real world religious beliefs.
This is a good theory and I love it but the other half of my brain is going „he was last seen a horse“ in a glidus voice 😂😂😂
Pretty sure Lady Barbrey went down to the crypts to verify Wyman Manderly's story, that Bran & Rickon are still alive. But don't get me wrong she was definitely happy to get her two minutes of hate in, lol
Absolutely. That's why she notes the missing swords.
@@serpounce5699 exactly, good point
@@serpounce5699 and I know somebody in the live stream chat said that she was down there to find an escape route but as far as I know she didn't find any evidence of one or really even look for one
That could be why Mance is looking for them, though. Or maybe he's thinks for the Horn of Winter is down there or something, idk
Yeah I don't think she's interested in an escape route honestly. She's a politician not a covert agent like Abel.
@@serpounce5699 lol, right! Picture her making a break for Stannis's camp or Barrowton in a blizzard 😆
Hey, thanks for your content!
Here are some thoughts I have about Barbery Dustin. Firstly, she surely knows that it’s not Arya Stark. I think she probably would have gone to a harvest feast at Winterfell and had an interest in Ned’s children. She would have noted Arya particularly as she was the only true born child of Ned that really looked like him. Ned has said how Arya looks like Lyanna, who it sounds like Barbery knew. Barbery had Jeyne Poole in her care right before the wedding, she had plenty of time to get a good look at her. Second, I think that Barbery may be bitter but she is really playing it up. Okay, yeah, she didn’t get to be a Stark and ended up marrying Lord Dustin who wasn’t her first choice. She was married to him for a very short time when he was sent away to war. I doubt she would have been super in love with him. In fact, his death made her the Lady of Barrowton ruling in her own right. Those wrongs perpetrated by the Starks are ancient history. Has she really been sitting there fanning those resentments? They are nothing compared to what the Boltons and Freys have done. She lost men at the red wedding and knows the Boltons were involved. She knows what Ramsey did to Lady Hornwood. Even if she wasn’t close with Lady Hornwood she must recognize the similarity of their circumstances and see herself a bit . She loved Domeric and knows Ramsey killed him. I think she is has actually been communicating with Manderly (eschewing the maesters and their ravens of course) and asks to see the crypts to verify his story. Her criticism about Manderly being a craven and being friendly with the Boltons despite the death of his son is actually a criticism of Roose (who does nothing to Ramsey even though he knows he killed Domeric)and an attempt to cover for Manderly’s over the top friendliness ( no subtlety whatsoever). When she tells Theon not to tell anyone what she said, she is fully counting on him to tell Roose or Ramsey; it’s an attempt to reinforce the idea that she’s on their side as she hates the Starks sooo much. The north remembers. Anyway, that’s my take. Sorry, little long.
All good points, and I definitely think she was down there to verify Manderly's story. It's why she mentions the swords being missing, because that's one of the details she was trying to verify
Yes, yes and yes!! 👌
Whoa. At 43:55. The flirtation was giving me strong Lady Weber vibes, the shift of the hair, mounting the bench like a horse, spider?, then she said her name. Rohanne? Whoa.
Jojen is Bran's best man for his tree wedding.
But he don't wanna marry a tree
Best green man 💀
Love Grey Waste Tim's presence here by the way!
Dany's dream about the kingly ghosts also paralells the Winterfell crypts and the dreams about them.
oh interesting
Appreciation comment offering for LML, GWT, and the real Lion of Night-the UA-cam algorithm.
All seriousness, I love these team ups. GWT proves time and time again to be more than a worthy guest, and the material never ceases to intrigue.
love this damn stream so much. never knew how many historical shows you've been to. protect ya neck!
Can we talk about how the Winterfell crypts make no sense??
WHY would they start with the oldest Starks at the bottom??!
The only answer I've ever seen that solves this, is that the crypts are a cave, a weirwood cave that the Starks started using.
The are going to be running out of space very soon.
Dave & Tim are becoming the ASOIAF Bert & Ernie
🤣🤣🤣
Lmao
Epic! Come for the mythical analysis and stay for the discussion of live music acts!
Tim’s cat is insanely cute
Enjoying these Theon read-throughs immensely. I hope we get A Ghost in Winterfell.
I love these re-read streams. You guys are doing great!
Thank you to both of you. I enjoy your team-ups
Another great stream! Thanks David!
Eva Green is my head cannon Babs. She was phenomenal in Penny Dreadful.
Eva Green is too beautiful for that role
Shit that is now burned into my brain 😮
Thank you for all the work guys
Thank you for these streams. I learn so much
Great show again, Dave and Tim! My favorite Collab delivers as always! Thank you!❤❤❤❤
LML & GreyWasteTime thank you Guys for sharing this Top Notch stream!👌🏻👌🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙂🙋🏼♀️🇨🇦😉
I love these streams and videos! It's interesting to me, the deeper I dive into these, how despite being a life long reader, that there is this...shadow world living beneath the story. I think my mind subconsciously has been picking up on it, even just reading the first line of this chapter, there's a poignancy to it that defies description. My mind revels in it, as it does these streams. Does anybody have a book or video they could recommend as to the fundamentals of symbolism, so that I could begin learning better on how to pick up on it, how to interpret it, etc? (Besides continuing to watch these videos, which I will do haha)
Awesome video guys! Thanks a lot!
long time viewer, first time commenter! i am not surprised davie likes the mars volta. we need that music series!
The parallel action of the Bran and Theon chapters always makes me feel like Theon is going to become Bran's tool in some way. Perhaps they do give Theon for the trees, only for him to rise as a zombie.
Like Jaime, Theon's arc is predicated on the idea of redemption and we will see that arc finished when he finally has a vehicle to atone for his sins against his family (the Starks). Not sure what that vehicle is tho.
PS - Tim's comment about the black coffin at the heart of winter reminds me of The Thing.
I think the whole point of Aaron holding the kingsmoot, an old tradition not used in ages, and we’re told the story of another ironborn leader whose name was Torran (I think) the “late comer” who should have been eligible for a kingsmoot in his time but couldn’t come, he made an appeal and the king from that moot was deposed and a new one was held and Mr. Late comer was chosen king.
It seems likely we’re given this history to make a precedent for Theon to make his claim and sit the sea stone chair. Euron will claim it first by a false election by his own picked men and will very powerful so it’ll be hard to deny his the throne whether he’s legitimate or not, Theon can’t do it by force so he’ll likely do it thru political means while our hero’s destroy euron eventually.
I think it fits in lots of ways for the characters and mag lead the iron born away from violence, I would certainly think Theon would decry no more thralls or slaves, no more gRape, no more torture. I could certainly be wrong and grrm has many options in where to lead the story
Nice read through. Really been enjoying your collabs 🤗
Great work as always guys. Loved the live concert nostalgia at the end. One thing I’m hooked on is the parallels to the current women of Winterfell to Lady Rohanne Weber. Most memorable concert was EODM at a small rock venue in the ghetto of EastVan, hanging out with Boots Electric smoking a joint before the show. Rocked the house. It was less than two months before Bataclan.
Finally getting a chance to start catching up on steams after relocating to the west coast! What a greattttt place to start ❤
Special shout out to grey waste tim! Always love when he’s on the channel
Pretty sure someone’s already made the connection but I just realized David and Tim are the Alt Shwift X and Glidus of the American fan base
Radio westerns and history of w. Also rock.
Soft Machine!?!! No way! They're from my old stomping ground. Canterbury is basically the secret birthplace of prog. Load of other famous proggers either came from there, or went to college there.
Also, digging the Rock n Metal chat at the end!
I've seen both Roger Waters and Australian Pink Floyd, two of the best days of my life!
Thumbs up, just for the Parliament Funkadelic reference.
Cool stream. Thank you :)
We're being made to recognize the skin changing of Hodor as a violation akin to rape. The parallels between Bran and Ramsay are all there if you look.
The descriptions when he wargs into Hodor are so dark
DAVID!! I’m just at the point where you’re discussing the idea of Ygg the serpent god and the Yggdrasil weir woods, and I agree with you and Tim on the Lovecraft ghostwritten connection. But also in the Norse understanding of Yggdrasil, there is infact in most depictions a serpent within the roots of the tree. He has a significance that is escaping me this moment. But I’ve been on a Viking documentaries kick lately lol.
yes that's Nidhog, aka Bloodraven haha
@@DavidLightbringerdo you think Bran is meant to be the Eagle and enemy to Nidhog? Also is there Ratatoskr between them?
For the algorithm. Thank you for another great re-read.
I wreaked my board last weekend and had a two minute hate on the mountain like Lady Barbery.
109: Theon has turned to the Old Gods because the black pond (that clearly leads to BR’s cave) is frozen over? Going to hear Tim’s ideas now. We love you GWT❤
Yiiir, Bonus stream
Thanks :)
Love Tim!❤❤❤❤
Speaking of amps blowing at live shows, I saw the mars volta at an outdoor show that was going good until some idiot threw piss onstage and shorted Omar's amp..then cedric(lead singer) told the audience to bring him the guy's head and walked offstage after more ranting about the venue..then my buddy and I ended up in the security area (for smokin weed) and they dragged in a guy in leg shackles and handcuffed, shirtless and all beat up..we assumed he was the pee thrower..then they let us go in time to see the chili peppers..great stream dudes, love the dual read throughs!
Fun stream, guys! My 1st concert (I'm ambivalent to admit) was Winger at Toad's Place in New Haven, CT. 😃
Thankyou!
HP Lovecraft was a very good writer and if you are unfamiliar with his work I'd recommend starting with "The Strange High House in the Mist" or "The Thing on The Doorstep". The latter which has to do with deep ones as quite a few of his stories do.
Just it again in the books!
I know I'm in the minority here, but I really like the "white walker day care" idea.
As in they become baby white walkers and there is an actual white walker community in the lands of always winter.
One of the things I like to do is to make book and show continuities both being able to exist within the same lore; due to this, I see White Walkers and The Others as two separate things (even though I'm sure they're supposed to be the same).
The Others are the pale, icey shadows who are the expelled Greenmen spirits and the White Walkers are what we see in the show.
Going a little off topic, but is the new Snow show picks up where Season 8 left off, there's no reason why it can't be revealed that both The Others and the White Walkers exist within the same continuity.
Sorry for going off topic a little there, the notion of White Walker Day Care pricked my ears!
Hold on. This helps out my inkling that the line, “the Others take your eyes” , is really important. They’re doing something with brains and eyes.
I think that line means that the others could see through your eyes, so to speak. Green-deer magic and all.
The north doesn’t actually remember, but a lot of their swear words and curses probably actually have some truth lol.
MusicalCircus..."The Others Take Your Eyes" AND "The Trees Have Eyes Again" has always connected for me when reading.
"Abel" bursting into the hall, singing "tasting the Northman's daughter" = HI EVERYONE I'M BAEL THE BARD!!!
Really enjoyed all the music talk, glad to hear you've been on the bus now; your manager really is a good influence. LOL
hahahaha yeah I've had several.good Dead experiences through him, I feel lucky to have a window into such an amazing world that I missed growing up
dynamo tim strikes again, excellent stream guys !
1:39. 😂 so good. Awesome stuff 👏👏👏
Could her husband still be alive in the Neck? Wouldn’t Ned have had his bones stored for later transport if he couldn’t bring them? It would be so important for the Lord of Barrows bones to be returned… If there wasn’t a fight at the Tower at all he could be hiding with the Reeds. Her reaction sure would be interesting if those old bones came out of the swamp… And who is still around now who knows Howland Reed by sight? But people would still know Lord Dustin if info needed to be given about Jon….
I'm about to Hunter S Thompson this shit....so if Bran is actually eating Jojen's brain like you said and the pineal gland supposedly produces DMT, which of course makes you hallucinate and is also associated with the "third eye" in many spiritual beliefs....I mean maybe? I'm not sure eating someone's pineal gland would make you trip but maybe that's where George is going?! Eating the "third eye" of a psychic would be a way to go I guess lol 😂
Great stream!
"Etymologically, the name Kyra has several possible origins. One theory suggests that it is the Anglicized version of the Greek name Kyriake, which means “of the Lord” or “belonging to the Lord.” Another possible root of the name Kyra is the Russian name Kira, which means “throne” or “ruler.” In Persian, Kyra means “like the sun,” and in Sanskrit, it means “a throne or seat of honor.” "
Keira:
"A modern feminine form of Kieran, from Irish ciar (“black, dark, little dark one”)."
Squires (children) building a snowman army. Did something get out of hand?
Best duo on YT! Another wonderful stream 🤘
2:35:34 - mmm I'm not sure it's only symbolism! The barrows are telling us something important about the most ancient Northern burial customs, and we're exposed to then very early on in GoT.
The first few chapters of the book give us all 3 in a row: being fed to the trees, being buried in crypts, and the barrows, which are the most ancient. Barrows are equivalent to cairns, which are supposedly what Ned did to his companions after the ToJ.
I believe it's a hint that the first men's adoption of the CotF religion (post-barrows) had something sinister or tricksy about it, and we see that when it comes to regular humans joining/feeding the weirwood net - it's reserved for criminals, deserters and traitors.
The Starks themselves don't partake, and seem fearful of releasing their souls inside the crypt (which very well may be a former weirwood cave)
interesting thoughts. there couod be something to the general idea of keeping vengeful spirits locked up - the Starks could be babysitting the godswood because it's a prison for the Others
@@DavidLightbringer babysitting 😆
At 134: there are no Starks in Winterfell but there is a Nights Watchman, Mance, Theon, an adopted? Stark and Jeyne.? Calling down a storm from within the crypts, possibly Benjen?
That concert talk was a fun treat in a already awesome video.
This chapter hit so hard the first time I read it and only hits harder each time
1:16:55 But Tim, if you know the unknown, then it's a known unknown xD
For the algorithm 🎉
One of Bran's chapters tells you where the secret tunnel is. Theon is being called to the weirwood by Bran. Bran will tell him the passageway. Just read bran's chapter where he is exploring winterfell :) "The builders had not even leveled the earth; there were hills and valleys behind the walls of Winterfell. There was a covered bridge that went from the fourth floor of the bell tower across to the second floor of the rookery. Bran knew about that. And he knew you could get inside the inner wall by the south gate, climb three floors and run all the way around Winterfell through a narrow tunnel in the stone, and then come out on ground level at the north gate, with a hundred feet of wall looming over you. Even Maester Luwin didn't know that, Bran was convinced."
It mentions in this chapter that the two walls are filling with snow, so that may make accessing this entrance easier.
52:18. Parallels to John’s vision? Perhaps he will battle the army of the dead on the walls of Winterfell next to the snowmen?
Jon’s men are Snow(’s) men
Bran eats the brain, Danny the heart… all we need now is for the Kings Road to turn gold, and for Jon to find his courage. Then together they can unmask the great and powerful Oz! 😂
But who gets the ruby slippers?!
@@skadoosh88 sansa hahahahha
The swords have somthing to do with the afterlife as well. Nissa Nissa's blood and soul went into the steel. Maybe a part of Edrick Snowbeard Stark is still in Hodors sword? Or is it only a memory of Valyrian steel? Is it Ice who keeps the dead in their tombs becaus it can kill Other's? Or has it somthing to do with the original Ice aka Dawn?
PBS has a film recording of Pink Floyd Pulse, the concert performed in Great Britain in 1994. I could not give it a higher recommendation.
Listen to it and tell us what you think
1:43:21 spiral steps like Night Fort?
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Figured it out. The Kings of Winter had Santa Clause powers.
A Dornishmans wife IS a Northman’s daughter, if Mance is Arthur Dayne and he married Lyanna before she died…Can’t help but think things got bad between Rhaegar and Lyanna, and Arthur chose her side….
2:30:50. I’m leaning towards this head cannon where there were no bones because he and the others are still alive or were.
So is Nissa Nissa the original Night Queen?
Sorry I get confused easily lol
The answer is either yes, or they're closely related figures. but probably just yes
What episode of GOT ends with a System of a down song?
I can't think of one...?
Ciaran is is pronounced the same as Kieran
What is dead may never die
Sorry for taking this long to subscribe 😅
Linkin Park, Staind, and T-Pain are my top 3 concerts of all time. I go to a lot of festivals though, so I've seen many great performances 👏
Tim is such a dear lad you can see he has a big heart
Sansa, ?Alys?, Jeyne, and ?Cat? in the Lysa letter scene (maybe, foggy memory) all end up in a cloak from marriage. Furry one for marrying a skin-changer, I don’t remember Sansa’s but probably less animal-ish than the others.
Barbary wears hers since she to married a skin-changer, (the cloak metaphor doubles as a clue link to the Boltons), specifically marrying Brandon at the tree with no witnesses.
Her lips are “like Ramsey’s “ because she’s his actual mother.
In some clue sets about the previous generation she’s the eldest sister of three: the other two Lyanna and Cat. Each dealt with similar marriage set ups in different ways, metaphorically like different timelines of what choices women have in this setting. Barbary plotted long revenge with the enemy of the Starks (note: she probably didn’t let Roose know), Lyanna tried to overthrow the government marrying someone who won’t or can’t sleep with her, and Cat went along with who she was given till she ended up in Lyanna’s and Barbary’s position later: literally no choice was the right one.
The “stone women” stuff like “a lain stone” is because men are walking on them or/and being stepped over in hierarchy sense; which creates “Stoneheart” and terrible wrath… “a woman scorned” and all that. A dire warning about the power of woman and the consequences of treating them wrong. Literally a modern tale of ?Madea? from Greek Myth with the murder weddings and that Dowager queen from Shakespeare.
I will never complain. Love your ideas
Maybe the original Reek was a Squisher? That's why he smelled so bad.
SOLID THEORY
Ramsey himself with his big lips...
Roose with his cold, dead fish eyes!
Why do the snowy sentinels have to be Others? To me, the fact that there are 79 (or whatever large number) sentinels at the Night Fort would suggest they are the whytes, just cause there are so many of them.
oh I mean we're talking symbolism here, there are more likely 7-9 Others than seventy nine haha
I don't buy Lady Dustin's story about how she hates Ned so much. She even says she hardly knew her husband. Plus, she's only a Dustin by marriage, so she likely doesn't hold burial quite as sacred as the blood of the Barrow Kings. BUT it's good enough to gain Theon's trust and get access to the crypts. I have a suspicion Barbrey was really in love with Ned, hence the last lingering look.
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79 sentinels were mentioned a lot this stream. Coincidence that 79 is a large prime number? Probably, but I noticed that.
DAEMON RULES 🖤😻🖤
"Fruitlessly" or "fruitless" like the meat pies made of Frey's...
baleful and direful are synonyms
I find it annoying that everyone says the 3 eyed raven is Bloodraven. George hasn't verified that yet. I also think it's him but, we don't know yet lol
it's not annoying, it's directly implied by the story. Any other theory is far-fetched and counter-intuitive. Doesn't mean impossible, but there are zero clues that it's anyone else
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@greywastetim I saw the Sex Pistols on their anniversary tour in Aug. 25th 1996 in Toronto with the original bassist pre-Sid. Glen Matlock. Good fun. @DavidLightbringer I love All things Maynard. Check out Curve from the 90s. Good tunes. Saw them live in a bar that use to be an opera house (and they named it that) and it was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Sisters of Mercy is a great band as well good live show. Live! Was a great show too. I once saw G&R and Zodiac Mindwarp and the love reaction open for Iron Maiden. Run DMC, a new years show with Kiss, I’m 52 so i saw all the 80 rock bands lol Tool /APC are in every playlist but I never saw them live sadly.
Also great video. ;)
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Sorry, had to take my like away because I accidentally took it from 420 to 421 for a second. Can't fuck with sacred math!
. . . Ok, we powered past it so I restored my like as we head towards 666!
This Mary Warner is a harsh mistress...
@@Slechy_Lesh LOL, " . . .Spark a Great Blaze . . . " and Praise Garth!
Wasn’t the accusations against MM isn’t actually proven
Stop fanboying, I know it's disappointing, I was a big fan too. But read the man's lyrics, read his own autobiography! His own words
@@Slechy_Lesh but I’m not even a fan of his. I’m just saying that the accusations about him isn’t actually proven at all.
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Quite disappointed. I've sent through the same question twice on paypall and it's not been addressed. I wna support the program, Byt would be nice if my questions were addressed.
Unfortunately I'm hardly ever able to catch the stream live. So I have to send my questions after the fact. Still, I support the programme, don't my questions deserve to be answered?
Or is it cause my questions refer to menstruation and LML is too embarrassed to touch on the topic?
I feel certain that David loves moon blood! What's your question, he often responds here
Just pointing out that the phrase moon blood is quite uncommon in the real world, but basically the only way Martin describes menstruation. I think its deliberate. I think he wants us to link broken moons and dragons and period blood. Just wanted LMLs input
@@Larissa1740pringiersit’s main function (I’m sure there are many functions to moon blood) in the story is to point to the moon as pregnancy: specifically Daenerys’ future daughter: the “song” of Ice and Fire, who will be given to the Others to replace to hive queen (who is leaving to start a new hive, died, or most likely dying.)