HIGH ALTITUDE Flight Planning in a Rockwell Commander 112TC!
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- *DISCLAIMER: This video is for entertainment purposes only. Please consult your aircraft and engine manuals for performance data and fight planning*
Want to save yourself a fuel stop? Join us as we take the turbo-charged Commander 112TC to 3 different altitudes (up to 15,000 feet!) to measure the fuel consumption and speed at various power settings. From there we head back to the hangar to input the data into ForeFlight to see what it will take to plan a cross country flight and eliminate a fuel stop!
Thanks for this detailed explanation.
I agree with JonasS. Inspired to try with my 114tc. I am willing to bet Commanders are not in the "performance plus plan". Enjoy the videos keep em' coming. :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed!
Absolutely GREASED that landing! Great video too!
112TCA is the easiest airplane to land I have ever flown.
Nicely done guys .
13:10 bro, that made me LOL. *applause
Thanks for the inspiration, must try this with our 112 TCA!
Glad you enjoyed! Let us know the results!
The Plane Life btw, did you mix up the results for 65% ? In the video:
5k 11.2 gph 134kt
10k 11.6 gph 132kt
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I would expect vice versa?
Yes sorry! It looks like we might have. You are right it makes more sense the other way!
Good job.
Good! nice plane!
For the life of me do NOT understand how such an awesome, comfortable, modern and well built aircraft with tons of ramp appeal … “failed?!”
Dude stepped into that Commander … EFFORTLESSLY! Just slid right in!
Awesomeness!
My guess is the lack of useful load. Myself, Being a large man with large friends, it’s not feasible, but that purely a guess. I guess for most smaller guys that wouldn’t be a problem. I agree, they have great ramp appeal and are wonderful machines, but that’s the big kicker every time I find myself eyeballing one.
Nice video. If I have one criticism (and I see this a lot), is the lack of use of shoulder harnesses. It just may save your life one day. Don't assume you'll have time to put in on.
+1 lap belts are never enough, use those shoulder belts. I had a catastrophic engine failure on departure at 300', my Debonair at the time did not have shoulder belts. Trust me when I say, the dash pad will win, and you will need stitches. We recently purchased a 112A and loving it.
Check out either the AMSAFE airbag seatbelts (they call it SOARS) or the Hooker Quickie harnesses (a poor mans way of making your 3 point harness into a 4 point harness by leveraging the rear seatbelts (which, of course, must be unoccupied) to secure two over the shoulder straps with loops to route your lap belt through.
Great job guys!!! I’m proud to be apart of your first 100 subscribers...lol. Looking forward to seeing future videos.
Great video
Wait… 75° ROP? But why?
Nice data collection and a very nice landing. Question, is Adam a pilot or just yourself?
Great channel guys. I really appreciate your real world performance numbers. Would also appreciate a cost of ownership so far video as I am interested in owning a Commander. One more thing. What is your useful load? Thanks.
Maybe you could confirm this is the 200 hpr engine. The cruise speeds are slow to me. It would be great if you could get numbers for the larger engine turbo charged version with 260 & 270 hpr. Thanks!
It’s a 112tc so yeah it’s 200hp continuous. I believe they are 210hp on takeoff for less than 5mins. The 114tc and 115tc are TIO-540 engines with 60hp more.
Can't believe you only have 56 followers
Thanks for subscribing! Hoping to have more soon!
We are looking at the purchase of a 112TC, what part of Michigan are you to fly up meet and pick your brain. We are at KEKM
How are you making more power (with commensurate fuel flow ) at 15,000 ft over 10,000 ft?
I flew this airplane in 1976. It yaws worse than any other airplane I have ever flown. It needs a yaw damper bad...
Looking at a 112TCA tomorrow. Cross country family flying. Do find the turbo useful for getting over weather/ice?
I would like to know the thoughts of converting the 114TC to the IO-580 non turbo.
Hi. I’m interested in a Commander 112TC. Any advise or someone I can speak to? I am looking at a particular plane currently for sale. Lmk. Thanks
how?? my 114 only cruises at 135-140 knots at around 65% power🤣
That's a beautiful aircraft and very nice avionics. What year? I'm in the market for a 112TCA/114
Thank you Ed! It’s a 1977. The 112TCA and 114 have similar performance but only if you get the 112TCA into the higher altitudes. You can’t go wrong with either chose but I’d say be honest with yourself on whether or not you will fly the 112 TCA high enough to reap the benefits of the turbocharger.
@@theplanelife409 Great advice..thank you. I'm planning to take some X-C trips so we'll likely get above 10k' for cruise. Does the TC also give you added power on takeoff? That would help with my local field (3000' grass).
Uhh , isn't mustang areo at troy???
I think the best rate is 15000ft 65% 11,5G 141knt makes 12,26knt/G
i´m right?
Hey - where did you get that cowl flap T handle cover ? Mine is still old school and sticks out in an otherwise modern cockpit.
Came with the plane that way but if you are looking for a part I would connect with the commanders owners group on Facebook.
@@theplanelife409 Ty. I am on the COG board as well. So parts are no problem. Your T-handle was just more ergonomic than mine. ua-cam.com/video/BUV4sD0HdjA/v-deo.html
What is the distance range??
Can you guys tell me what type of oxygen system-delivery and face gear you are using? Thanks
It’s called mountain high oxygen with oxymizer cannulas. With the oxymizer ma you can get around 8 hours of oxygen at 15k feet (or 4 with 2 people)
@@theplanelife409 awesome, thank you. We own 527GT 1980114A, would like to add O2 to it
@@theplanelife409 Nice airstaches
Does ForeFlight interpolate values for TAS, fuel burn etc. at varying altitudes?
Hey Ken. Had a lot of fun testing the plane’s performance and making that video but I’m for sure not a ForeFlight pro. It does do a great job figuring the TAS and fuel burns for climb and decent but I believe for cruise you have to create and select individual numbers for the altitude your going to fly. I’ve found by having numbers for every 5,000 feet to select from, ForeFlight is able to predict the fuel burn to within a gallon on every flight. Way better than the days of the E6B.
@@theplanelife409 Thanks for the quick turnaround. A group of us (3) is thinking of purchasing a commander. We’re looking at a 114 but the fuel burn... How did the numbers you came up with compare to the book numbers?
I don't think you mentioned anything about leaning, unless I missed it. What leaning procedure did you use?
I know it’s not easy to see, but if you look at his EDM, you’ll see he was leaning 100 degrees ROP to about 1625 deg TIT. He mentions letting things stabilize for a few minutes since it takes time to lean a turbocharged aircraft. Slow and incremental leaning is the key since you don’t want to exceed TIT limits (1725 degrees).
Yah his 75° ROP comment threw me for a curve. That’s right in the no no box
7:51 9:29 10:53
:)),, have you tried using the performance plus plan to get the stats for your plane ? to see if they match up with what you have tried by flying to get the numbers ?
Not yet we will try that! Thanks for watching and for the info!
@@theplanelife409 yw,, not sure if they have your plane on their list,,, send them an email to ask first before you buy the plan ,, if they do,, all the book numbers are already enter and makes it easier and more accurate :)
Hey fellas, hope you’re enjoying your 112TCA! I’m replying to a 4 month old post, but I did ask ForeFlight about the performance charts for a 112TC/TCA when I talked with them earlier this year. They said they didn’t yet but would consider adding them in the future. I sent them an electronic copy of the POH, and the guy said they’d follow up if and when they add them.
Nice that your numbers are pretty much the same as mine. I generally cruise at 65-70% power preferably 8-12k give or take depending on winds without being too concerned about following exact power settings. As you know, the important thing is to lean ROP according to TIT. FYI, I’ve done quite a bit of reading through Lycoming literature and talked with the factory - you’ll find that they recommend 125 degrees ROP for best engine and turbocharger longevity. For me, that ALWAYS turns out the be 1600, since I’ve NEVER been able to lean to peak at any temperature below 1725). The inside of my exhaust stack stays light grey, so I’m happy. Fly safe!
Can you tell me your Vs0??
POH says 52 kts IAS but Commander’s with VGs (vortex generators) it’s slightly lower.