I "came out" in 1968 at age 24 after serving four years in the USAF, honorably. I would never have believed the topic/issue of being gay wouild become so open and non-threatening. In the 1980s I was very active in gay rights groups. Hopefully, some of what we did then has helped us reach this point of openness and acceptance.
You deserve some gratitude. Thnkyou. Me too. I came out in the early 80s , marched, chained myself to a fence at one time, fought the good battles for rights and against AIDS. I lost almost all my friends in the 90s due to it. I’m glad it’s easier now but I don’t get a sense of appreciation of the younger generation or even a sense that they are interested in what my generation was up against. I’m not bitter, but rather, disappointed. On a side note, I totally agree with the sentiment in the video about community and socializing before digit ital/social media. The bars provided a sense of community. You knew everyone, it’s where you got the latest news on the next protest or who was dating who. And at the time it was almost clandestine and felt a bit underground, like being a member of the coolest ‘club’ in the city. It was amazing. It’s unfortunate that doesn’t exist anymore and has lead to a more disconnected community.
@@davidhyman1855 The bars I went to in the seventires were high-energy dance bars in DC: Lost & Found, Tracks, Pier 9. I remember when "The Advocate" was one sheet of paper! As to your "clandestine" remark, I was more at ease when "they" knew less about us.
Remember when gay pride day was a protest march to the capitol buildings? Now it’s called a parade and it does little more than make us all look like clowns and freaks. 😞
I’m a gay man in my late 50s. I came to the realization that I was gay in middle school in the late 1970s. In my very religious upbringing, being gay was not just unacceptable - it was unimaginable. In high school, the very start of the AIDS crisis shoved me even further into the closet. I didn’t know any gay people. Gay people, when they rarely appeared on TV or in film, were either villains or to be ridiculed. I was unable to come out to anyone I knew until after I finished my undergraduate degree. I didn’t have sex with another man until I was 23. Sex was death back then, and I lost a bunch of very dear friends to AIDS, so sex was terrifying. I did eventually get over that, after a decade of therapy. I went through my promiscuous phase, having sex with 150+ guys over a number of years. I settled down with a guy who had previously been married to a woman and had two kids. That’s where things get interesting. Our son, upon graduating from high school, wanted to go work at Disneyland. He’d gone to the Disney parks throughout childhood and working there was his dream. He wanted to work in Entertainment, which is the department that covers costumed characters, musicians, dancers, and other performers. He ended up being cast in the costumed characters department, playing such characters as Tigger and the Sheriff of Nottingham. He’s straight, but working in Entertainment at Disneyland actually made him wish he was gay. He says that about 80% of the males in Entertainment are gay, and straight people are often looked down upon or shunned by the gay guys. He spent a couple of years acting "gay" just to try to fit in, I found it utterly amazing that the culture had shifted so much over about 30 years and how young people could ever possibly feel the need to pretend to be gay just to fit in with the "cool" crowd! Our son eventually decided that it’d be a lot easier to meet girls if he came across as having some interest in girls, but there was one thing that he used to keep himself "cool" - his two gay dads. He’d show us off to every gay cast member he knew. He’d take us backstage and introduce us to everyone. He’d invite his gay friends to come out to eat with us. He’d have his gay friends arrange for special things like VIP parade viewing or getting to go up into the pilot house on the paddle-wheel steamboat. We actually made quite a few friends at Disneyland because of this! It really is a completely different world for most young people today. Even for those trapped in religious families, they see positive, normal depictions of gays in media. Representation matters so much more than those in the majority can ever know, and seeing gay characters who are just like the straight characters in TV shows and movies makes a huge difference in the lives of young gay people. When you combine that with the ability to communicate and form relationships with people all around the world through the internet, it’s almost like living on a different planet compared to the one I lived on in the 1970s when I was struggling with what it meant to be gay. Interestingly, my first real contact with other gay people was via online bulletin boards in the late 1980s. You’d dial up with your modem, and then you could read messages and post messages. I got CompuServe and found other gay men from different parts of the world. It was the first time in my life that I didn’t feel completely and utterly alone…or terrified. I even used some of those early dial-up services like Prodigy and AOL to find my first sexual partners. I was finally comfortable enough with one local guy - who was also a virgin - to have sex for the first time. Being virgins, we felt comfortable not using protection, too. Maybe not the smartest thing, but it made our sex very intimate and created a really strong bond between us that lasted for quite a few months. We weren’t all that compatible personality-wise, but we sure did have a lot of sex! We both learned a lot of skills with each other. Sort of the perfect starter relationship - and all because of the early internet. Without that, I might have been a virgin for another decade.
@@roundesthedgehog yes indeed, you do need a huge amount of support. It’s shameful how LGBTQ+ are treated as less than human in so many parts of the world.
I'm a 74 year old gay man and I still believe it is traumatic for young people to come out. I don't think anything has changed there. Nobody chooses to be gay and I certainly would not have chosen this path out of choice.
I’ve always been sexually attracted to men since I hit puberty as a young man in his 20s honestly I knew being gay men being sexually attracted to men and there were complications in my life not enough to say I would be victim personally but if you ask me I think gen z has it easier compared to the older gays like you all I simply did is distancing myself from religion and figure things out in my own pace and grown up I realize there’s no reason to feel overly sensitive A normal thing to do is just live life
Being Gay is the greatest single thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life. The difference between a gay male and a straight male is so overwhelming that I almost think I would have ended my life if I knew I was straight. Sound strange to you.....read my comment on this page.
Whether or not someone is "cool" shouldn't hinge upon sexual preference. A person should be judged by the content of their character, not who they sleep with.
Thank you. "Being cool" was the last thing on my mind when coming out with my first partner. "Being cool" trivializes being gay and labels is a status symbol.
I'm over 60 and didn't come out till I was thirty growing up in the 70's you didn't dare come out but after I graduated in 1980 and found out that there were a lot of my classmates that were gay when I went to a gay bar in Philly sort of blew my mind. No matter whether old or young most will think that you two guys are hot.
i believe it is, to certain extent, truthful. As a Chinese, i have seen an increase amount of "appreciation" or "fangirling" of straight girls towards gay people, there are even people compete with each other on the number of "gay friends" they have on social media which i found quite ridiculous as if gay friend as an item of showing off. They think gay friends are more understanding, more caring and more well put-together, have fashion senses, and more connected to them.
This has always been the case. It's not "fangirling" - it's pretty straightforward why girls would generally feel more comfortable befriending gay men than heterosexual men. It's obviously going to be much easier to maintain a purely platonic relationship with someone who's gay. A lot of straight women enjoy visiting gay clubs too because they know they aren't going to be harassed by straight guys. This may seem like a "new phenomenon", only because younger guys are feeling more comfortable to come out in more progressive parts of the world. This has been a very recent change; in the past, most gay men kept quiet about their sexual orientation until they couldn't keep quiet about it anymore. It's so ridiculous that, just because a few parts of the world has become progressive enough for gay men to feel comfortable about coming out at a younger age, we have people now questioning if being gay is "trendy" 🙄
@@lastday90925 yeah, but also sometimes i felt in the case of China, gays can be treated almost like a status glorification. Many girls online comments like i have many gay friends, im cool, they take me to shop makeup etc. Im like what the hell?
@@masterbunny9480 that's a bit annoying, even from gay men's perspective. I think that used to be a thing in Western media two decades ago or so, but you don't see that kind anymore.
Today the kids are enamored with gay pop culture, the fashion, music, drag queens etc and don’t have experience with the other side of it which is the painful part, such as the rejection, shame, and isolation which is the part that some millennials and older generations had to endure. And if they are met with that, the support system they need is only a click or swipe away with access to the internet and social media where you can find your tribe of people to not only support you but celebrate your newfound identity. Older generations of queer people didn’t have that luxury most of time unless you were lucky to have family and friends that were accepting of you.
Don't forget the way gay men treat each other, and project their own insecurities on one another. Also, the promiscuity and addictive behaviours rife in the gay male community 😑
The guest is absolutely right. It's easier on certain countries, and I would dare to say regions, where there is LGBT acceptance, so it's safer for them to get out of the closet. But in the rest of the world? that has to be seen. My country is still deeply homophobic (Venezuela). Even at this age I can't see a LGBT teen here having a healthy teen period, I'm sure most of them still linger at the closet in those rough high school times. I'm 45 now, and I only got out of the closet this year. That's how bad it is. Maybe my story is a bit of particular, because back when I was 27 and I was thinking on getting out of the closet, a traumatic event happened and locked me again into the closet until this very year. So yeah, I don't think it's easier for this gen to come out. Just that in certain countries it's definitely easier, but that isn't happening world wide.
this is exactly what i thought. i like what he said about the sense of belonging is not the same as being digitally connected. the generation of today are very lucky to have all the technology advancement which we didnt have back in the 90's, but i am also happy to have experienced the true meaning of connection. 💞
Interesting vignette from your podcast, I live in the U.S. Things in the cities are "Kind of" like that, the biggest difference being many of our cities are hundreds and some times thousands of mile apart. In many instances these cities reside in states that are NOT forgiving on LGBT Attitudes and lives. If there is one growing sentiment I think I'm seeing living in the outlying region of extreme Southern California and traveling up and down the "LEFT Coast" Millennials and Gen-Z, I think are coming to the LGBT community (Gay men in particular)" because they see us, and having to learn how to derive joy with ourselves--- And they come to us, seeking validation and permission to instill that same sexual joy within themselves!
Back in the 80s it was a struggle being queer and even getting friends to buy into your sexuality. You had to keep it to yourself, which was hard . I think it’s moved on a lot for younger people now but I’m sure that struggle still is there at some level . What saddens me is when they get into the community and scene how generic it is and you now have to fit into the expectation of how to behave , socialise and sex . It’s quite generic now which isn’t great
When talking about how much better it is for LGBTQIA younger people, so much gets forgotten. There are still poor and working class kids who don't have access because they don't have resources and may be struggling just to survive. Disabled queer people of all ages often find the community exclusionary and not accessible. Basic rights are still not codified into law in most countries, and people still experience discrimination and violence. too often these conversations come from a place of privilege, where people think that everything is so much easier now. It is for people with privilege. But for most queer people, the struggle is still real and ongoing.
Woke Queer people don’t give a damn about the working class. Could not care less. The working class is the neglected, abandoned runt. Your average Richmond, Nightsbridge, Orange County queer person would not piss on a burning working class person, queer or not. Queer is the new ultimate identity accessory and indicator of ultimate social privilege. It’s dishonest in the extreme.
I think, what people find cool about LGBT people is their confidence. It's maybe sometimes a regret the other person has. Societal pressure to reproduce effect everybody and through recent history we can see it in different forms.
It mght sound weird but it's a vibe I've picked up a few times.... Gay guys who're friends can hang all over each other and touch/hug/etc, each other without other LGBT+ people thinking there's something sexual going on. I think straight guys sometimes wish they could have that option.
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And what about gay people who cannot afford to live in London ? Go up to Hull or even York and see what is available there!!!
What I noticed in the states is a lot of straight women identifying as queer and/or non-binary. I think these identities are very different than being same sex attracted.
hahahahahaha for republirats everything is a menace but their weird morals
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When I was in London recently the gayest place was the terrace outside of Cafe Nero's on the corner of Frith Street. Late 20's early 30's were there and there were smiles and recognitions, but that's all. Of course the drinking places were full, but I felt it would be good if there were more non-alcohol places where you could just read a book, as one gay man was, or sit in the fresh air. Also more gay free magazines to at least show it is not all about money.
I think this comes about because it is easier to not be stereotyped of grouped by a label. Labels and grouping people by specific characteristics helps to denegrate us, and keep us separated. Your sexuality is yours, you dont have to belong to this or that camp. just Be yourself. You want to work on how society handles it, STOP separating people with labels of sex, race, etc.
In the US maybe. Around most part of the world people are still afraid to come out of the closet. I had to pause my relationship with my bf because he was too afraid of the society and what people would think, he told me it is too much for him to handle and he wishes he could live in the US or a first world country where he can be accepted.
Oh look at me look at me I’m interesting and different! Oh the horror and shame of not being interesting! Everybody must love me and if it’s not everyone then I’ll show them!
The word “queer,” is defined by GLAAD as “experiencing sexual attraction in a way that does not fit into… dominant norms.” The word originated as a slur against people who are gay; some gay people have reclaimed the word, but for others, it remains a term of abuse. Within progressive circles, many otherwise ordinary, straight people have taken ownership of the word, because identifying as “queer” grants them the ability to claim sexual minority status. In a new the majority of people identifying as “queer” are nontransgender women. In my opinion, for straight men, identifying as “queer” can be a tool signaling their progressivism so that feminist women will date them. For the group of otherwise straight, female-typical women identifying as part of an oppressed class is intersectionality. Mainstream feminism, however, has encouraged an entirely new, malignant application, with groups who would otherwise be considered to have privilege clamoring for minority status so that their opinions are given more weight. Seizing one, or a handful, of the gender nonbinary identity labels allows a person to join the LGBT+ movement tangentially, without question, even when there is nothing L, G, B, or T about them. Based on recent poll’s findings, millennials are almost twice as likely to identify as “LGBTQ” as people in Generation X. Despite this, millennials who are not part of the community were less likely to know someone who identified as “gay” or “lesbian.” This means those who consider themselves to be “LGBTQ” are identifying as something other than lesbian or gay, speaking to the broadening of identity labels used to describe one’s sexual orientation. More people are identifying as part of the community not out of a true sexual identity, but because it is trendy to do so, or because they believe sexuality is “fluid.” This undermines biological explanations for sexual orientation. Gay rights activists fought for the “born this way” narrative because it came with greater social acceptance-and not only that, it is scientifically correct. Biological evidence supports a person’s sexual orientation to be hardwired before birth. It doesn’t appear that nonbinary activists have thought through the implications of denying If being gay is a choice, it makes it more difficult to advocate against attempts to change it. Some nonbinary people will say that they don’t like labels like “gay” or “lesbian” because they are binary terms; attraction to a man or a woman, even in the context of being gay, is still considered attraction to a binary gender. Others have argued that you can be a “nonbinary lesbian,” which doesn’t make sense. In order to be a lesbian, by definition, one needs to be a woman. The whole thing illustrates how ill-conceived these theories pertaining to the gender spectrum are. (As for the term, “LGBT+,” it is made up of distinct factions that don’t really have much to do with each other.) For instance, bisexuality has been redefined to include people who have romantic feelings for people of both sexes. The “sex” part of “bisexual” is no longer required. Doing so lowers the bar for people to self-identify their way into the community. From what I’ve observed, sexual orientation does, however, play a role in the decision to identify as nonbinary. Because lesbian women tend to be more male-typical in some respects and because they are sexually attracted to women, some gravitate toward the nonbinary label because it is more socially acceptable than being a masculine woman or identifying as gay. The same applies to some gay men who have embraced the nonbinary label. When asked in media interviews about how they knew they were nonbinary, many profess a love of being a man, but also wearing makeup and high heels. One of the bedrocks of the gay community is drag shows, in which adult men dress up as very feminine women to lip-synch to pop. Feminine gay men and masculine lesbians, by virtue of being gender-nonconforming, are not trans or nonbinary; they are gender-nonconforming men and women. In a recent study, roughly one-third of Gen Z and one quarter of millennials reported knowing someone who uses nonbinary pronouns like “they,” compared with only about one-sixth of people in Generation X, with the proportion continuing to drop for older generations. Along with he/him/his and she/her/hers, there are also pronouns of the gender-neutral variety, they/them/theirs. There is also zie/zir/zirs and sie/hir/hirs and ey/em/eirs. As critical as I am of the nonbinary movement, I do think language matters, and I will use the pronouns someone wants me to use. But sometimes I get the sense that the language thing has more to do with controlling others than the desire for people to be respectful.From what I gather, being nonbinary is a way to experiment with self-expression, the way that everyone did as teenagers. Some of us got body piercings, tattoos, or poorly thought out haircuts, in addition to making questionable fashion choices. That was part of the beauty of being young and figuring out who you were. But adults recognized it for what it was, and we were never authoritarian about it. A big part of the nonbinary movement is the refusal to subscribe to traditional gender norms while also denying that gender has any meaningful correlation to biological sex. What it fails to realize is that it’s possible for a person to be gender-nonconforming while identifying as simply a woman or a man. By nonbinary activists’ definition, everyone on planet earth is gender nonbinary. If a man decides he sometimes enjoys putting on women’s clothing, does that mean he’s actually actually genderfluid? Not necessarily. He may just be a man who, for whatever reason likes to wear women’s clothing. And to be clear, saying that gender is binary is not the same thing as saying that prejudice against gender-nonconforming individuals is acceptable or that we should impose gender conformity on them. We can acknowledge that some people are gender-nonconforming or gender-diverse, and encourage them to be who they are, without rewriting science to facilitate this acceptance. Gender has become trendy and being something other than female or male sounds exotic; a person appears interesting and ahead of the curve. By simply being known as nonbinary or genderqueer or going by “they/them” pronouns, it immediately conveys to other people that this particular individual is different and to some degree, special, because they are an exception to the rule, which could be expected in young people and especially teenagers. As more people take on these labels, being nonbinary has become a way to find community, a sense of belonging, and acceptance. It’s not so much about individuality as it is about group membership. “transgender” has expanded to encompass anyone who feels, in any way, different from what would be expected of them, based on their birth sex. This includes gender-atypical and gender-nonconforming people and anyone who feels even mild discomfort about their bodies. The widening of the application of what it means to be transgender means more people will potentially identify this way, thereby inflating its prevalence in the general population. If a larger percentage of people identify as transgender or nonbinary, this offers support for the argument that these identities are real phenomena and discrimination against them is unjust. But we can advocate for this acceptance without socially engineering numbers in favor of it. Doing so only leads to a further lack of clarity for those who will be inappropriately grouped as part of the community. Those who are genderfluid describe their gender, gender dysphoria is not a whimsical feeling that comes and goes depending on which direction the winds are blowing that day. If anything, the concept of gender fluidity calls into question the very idea of being transgender. The concept of gender dysphoria rests on the idea that gender is innate and that the brain of one sex exists in the body of the other. Gender fluidity suggests the very antithesis to this, that one’s internal sense of gender can vary by the hour. If one’s gender can change, why shouldn’t it be malleable to align with a person’s birth sex? The concept of gender fluidity argues against trans adults’ right to transition. I understand why the nonbinary movement has gained such momentum so quickly and why it’s being held in such high regard. Other sexual and gender minority groups, including gay and transgender people, have long had people telling them that what they experience isn’t real or that they’re just going through a phase. Part of the push to accept people identifying as nonbinary (and also, children who say they are transgender) stems from the empathy of those who want to correct for mistakes in the past. Then we have celebrities who are capitalizing on gender’s moment in the sun. If someone has a large public following and they announce they are nonbinary, it is hard to believe that doing so is anything but a publicity stunt to get people talking about them. Identifying as nonbinary provides social, and literal, currency, and public figures who “come out” as nonbinary obtain adulation and a newfound relevance as every media.
Gay? Maybe cool if you’re a girl. There’s always been those young teens that kiss their friend to be edgy and whatnot. Not really a thing with men and it all really depends where you are geographically. I agree with the general consensus that basically being “unique” and not the normal is now considered cool, so we get all these very vague labels like “queer/nonbinary/ abcd-sexual because they’re very non-commital and not easily definable and kind of easy to just not be whenever that phase of wanting to be unique ends for people.
With (crazy) social justice theory so in vogue these days (it's taught in our schools and colleges and is widespread on the Internet), people's individual social standing (status) is often being graded on an inverse scale; with the best status group being black, gay female that has multiple handicaps, both physical and mental; and the worst of the worst status group being a socially well adapted sane straight white male. To gain a better social standing, children and other people are encouraged to transition to the opposite gender, become gay, identify as being on the Autistic Spectrum (or other mental problems like OCD, bipolar, depressed, anxiety, or some other mental disorder or learning disability). Schools and counselors essentially peddling these disorders to elementary, middle school and high school students, it is no wonder the number of Trans, gay and autistic students have become such an epidemic these days. There seems to be some kind of plot to reduce the U.S. population by sterilizing people metaphorically by brainwashing them to be gay, or literally by transitioning them to the opposite sex. Part of the plot seems to be to break up the nuclear family and knowing major population declines often lead to economic decline (like Japan over the past 30 years), it could be a long term plot to damage the US economy. With these ideas in mind, my guess is it is some Marxist (or Maoist) plot hatched in Russia or China. But other than raising the question I can't cite more scientific evidence to back up my hunch. I am over 70, so my hunch is based on personal observations, not so different from my views on global warming that I have been pointing out for decades.
What about the cost, the cost of everything is up, up , up,, i can,t imagine raising 8 children now the way my parents did,, we were poor but we never went without too much,, ok, you can put your tinfoil hat back on now !
I’m sorry you think what you think. You’re born gay or trans. It’s just a fact. No big plot going on. We’ve always been here but we had to cover who we were. We are not the decline of anything in the world.
I've run into comments & observations like yours quite often in the past few years. I can't imagine how to research this but I wonder if it's tied to location somehow and there's LESS of this going on in areas that have a history of acceptance (even if grudging) of people who are different in any way. I've spent about 25 years in NYC schools (including about 15 as a teacher) and I can tell you that NONE of this kind of thing is going on. Teachers, counsellors, etc. have no time to engage in the things you describe. OTOH, even back in the 90's nobody cared if HS teachers or students were gay. Nobody broadcasted it but nobody hid it because it just wasn't important enough either way. Maybe NYC is some kind of bubble world because I've never run into any of the 'rainbow', 'alphabet', or 'pronoun' stuff that seems to be so widespread.
It is truth to a certain extent, but the truth about gen Z is that they are extremely polarized on the subject. We can see that in France where our political spectrum in national elections goes from revolutionary anti capitalist to extreme far right. The young generations have completely abandoned the central part of the spectrum, the one who would never do anything actively homophobic but yet is still reluctant not going too far in changing social norms. Half of them have voted for the very progressive New Popular Front. But a third of them have voted for the very regressive national rally, where the only lgbtqia+ accepted are anti woke gay men. So it is certainly more cool than it was before but in the same time it makes haters more stealth, but they are still a real thing. And my own personal experience is not that positive. I have been out as gay since I was 18 (46 now) but didn’t feel really comfortable with it. I love gay culture but I have always felt that I am sort of out of it. Sexually I have always been a bottom. Until I realized I am agender and that my exclusive attraction to men was in many ways internalized cis heteronormativity where only cis men can top. All my coworkers where gen Z or very late gen X (born in the early 90’s), I have always been discreet about my private life at work but, as talking about gender violence or the personal experience of a lesbian coworker was always easy I felt confident enough to come out. I was wrong. Just for coming out about my gender identity and sexual orientation (as it is not driven by the gender identity of my partner but the role they can play, being a bottom is part of my orientation), I have been rejected, even in a very progressive environment such as Paris . And in many ways, the fact than things are now easier globally makes things worse the few times it doesn’t go well. As my second coming out with friends didn’t go well either, I am now less out than I was 15 years ago when I was working for boomers from the Turkish community…
As an older gay man you present a very complex social scene that I have difficulty understanding or taking seriously. Long ago I knew people who had different gender identities and a mixture of people they were attracted to but it wasn’t so hyper organized, categorized and important that one would take offense if not recognized appropriately. Getting too old for to understand the importance.
@@WillFinch-k4j so you were in an accepting environment, good for you. But it is not only for my complex identity. It is about a coworker who was so shocked by an effeminate man she met in a shop, that she would feel the need to talk about in the open space and all the others would agree that it is going too far… Or that she could not stand the idea I could have a pink protection for my phone. Of being accused of “pretending” just for having a pink shirt. Or having witnessed constant harassment of women, queer and non white coworkers. Including a friend who were harassed for being bi by his boss. Or having to work with far right coworkers who were free to deliver their hate speech but being summoned by my boss for my coming out. Being asked to stop talking about the subject in front of my coworkers but being told they could do nothing to stop them expressing their opinions… I understand the world is too complicated for your limited brain but maybe, just maybe you could have guess that the situation was a little more complicated than what was said on a UA-cam comment… And btw, the friend who was harassed both morally and for his sexual orientation killed himself… But I am sure there was not such snowflakes during your time…
In the 1970s it was real simple a bunch of guys hanging out saying girls aren't going to put out until they get married, so let's just go and have sex with each other. And we don't have to worry about somebody getting pregnant. It was easy to hook up with another best friend.
I "came out" in 1968 at age 24 after serving four years in the USAF, honorably. I would never have believed the topic/issue of being gay wouild become so open and non-threatening. In the 1980s I was very active in gay rights groups. Hopefully, some of what we did then has helped us reach this point of openness and acceptance.
You deserve some gratitude. Thnkyou. Me too. I came out in the early 80s , marched, chained myself to a fence at one time, fought the good battles for rights and against AIDS. I lost almost all my friends in the 90s due to it. I’m glad it’s easier now but I don’t get a sense of appreciation of the younger generation or even a sense that they are interested in what my generation was up against. I’m not bitter, but rather, disappointed. On a side note, I totally agree with the sentiment in the video about community and socializing before digit ital/social media. The bars provided a sense of community. You knew everyone, it’s where you got the latest news on the next protest or who was dating who. And at the time it was almost clandestine and felt a bit underground, like being a member of the coolest ‘club’ in the city. It was amazing. It’s unfortunate that doesn’t exist anymore and has lead to a more disconnected community.
@@davidhyman1855 The bars I went to in the seventires were high-energy dance bars in DC: Lost & Found, Tracks, Pier 9. I remember when "The Advocate" was one sheet of paper! As to your "clandestine" remark, I was more at ease when "they" knew less about us.
Thank you for making it easier for the rest of us.
Hope Young generation will remember the past.
Remember when gay pride day was a protest march to the capitol buildings? Now it’s called a parade and it does little more than make us all look like clowns and freaks. 😞
I’m a gay man in my late 50s. I came to the realization that I was gay in middle school in the late 1970s. In my very religious upbringing, being gay was not just unacceptable - it was unimaginable. In high school, the very start of the AIDS crisis shoved me even further into the closet. I didn’t know any gay people. Gay people, when they rarely appeared on TV or in film, were either villains or to be ridiculed.
I was unable to come out to anyone I knew until after I finished my undergraduate degree. I didn’t have sex with another man until I was 23. Sex was death back then, and I lost a bunch of very dear friends to AIDS, so sex was terrifying.
I did eventually get over that, after a decade of therapy. I went through my promiscuous phase, having sex with 150+ guys over a number of years. I settled down with a guy who had previously been married to a woman and had two kids. That’s where things get interesting.
Our son, upon graduating from high school, wanted to go work at Disneyland. He’d gone to the Disney parks throughout childhood and working there was his dream. He wanted to work in Entertainment, which is the department that covers costumed characters, musicians, dancers, and other performers. He ended up being cast in the costumed characters department, playing such characters as Tigger and the Sheriff of Nottingham.
He’s straight, but working in Entertainment at Disneyland actually made him wish he was gay. He says that about 80% of the males in Entertainment are gay, and straight people are often looked down upon or shunned by the gay guys. He spent a couple of years acting "gay" just to try to fit in, I found it utterly amazing that the culture had shifted so much over about 30 years and how young people could ever possibly feel the need to pretend to be gay just to fit in with the "cool" crowd!
Our son eventually decided that it’d be a lot easier to meet girls if he came across as having some interest in girls, but there was one thing that he used to keep himself "cool" - his two gay dads. He’d show us off to every gay cast member he knew. He’d take us backstage and introduce us to everyone. He’d invite his gay friends to come out to eat with us. He’d have his gay friends arrange for special things like VIP parade viewing or getting to go up into the pilot house on the paddle-wheel steamboat. We actually made quite a few friends at Disneyland because of this!
It really is a completely different world for most young people today. Even for those trapped in religious families, they see positive, normal depictions of gays in media. Representation matters so much more than those in the majority can ever know, and seeing gay characters who are just like the straight characters in TV shows and movies makes a huge difference in the lives of young gay people. When you combine that with the ability to communicate and form relationships with people all around the world through the internet, it’s almost like living on a different planet compared to the one I lived on in the 1970s when I was struggling with what it meant to be gay.
Interestingly, my first real contact with other gay people was via online bulletin boards in the late 1980s. You’d dial up with your modem, and then you could read messages and post messages. I got CompuServe and found other gay men from different parts of the world. It was the first time in my life that I didn’t feel completely and utterly alone…or terrified. I even used some of those early dial-up services like Prodigy and AOL to find my first sexual partners. I was finally comfortable enough with one local guy - who was also a virgin - to have sex for the first time. Being virgins, we felt comfortable not using protection, too. Maybe not the smartest thing, but it made our sex very intimate and created a really strong bond between us that lasted for quite a few months. We weren’t all that compatible personality-wise, but we sure did have a lot of sex! We both learned a lot of skills with each other. Sort of the perfect starter relationship - and all because of the early internet. Without that, I might have been a virgin for another decade.
Very nice statement, thank you so much
In US you guys proceed a lot but we still need lots of support in less developed parts of the world.
@@roundesthedgehog yes indeed, you do need a huge amount of support. It’s shameful how LGBTQ+ are treated as less than human in so many parts of the world.
I'm a 74 year old gay man and I still believe it is traumatic for young people to come out. I don't think anything has changed there. Nobody chooses to be gay and I certainly would not have chosen this path out of choice.
I’ve always been sexually attracted to men since I hit puberty as a young man in his 20s honestly I knew being gay men being sexually attracted to men and there were complications in my life not enough to say I would be victim personally but if you ask me I think gen z has it easier compared to the older gays like you all I simply did is distancing myself from religion and figure things out in my own pace and grown up I realize there’s no reason to feel overly sensitive A normal thing to do is just live life
Being Gay is the greatest single thing that has ever happened to me in my entire life. The difference between a gay male and a straight male is so overwhelming that I almost think I would have ended my life if I knew I was straight. Sound strange to you.....read my comment on this page.
@@jeffrey8783 it’s good to see the beauty of men in general when we’re also men
@@akirahimurakinakiyama99 Yes
I would have. Even after being a victim of years of bullying and a hate crime. I would NEVER want to be straight.
Whether or not someone is "cool" shouldn't hinge upon sexual preference. A person should be judged by the content of their character, not who they sleep with.
Thank you. "Being cool" was the last thing on my mind when coming out with my first partner. "Being cool" trivializes being gay and labels is a status symbol.
I'm over 60 and didn't come out till I was thirty growing up in the 70's you didn't dare come out but after I graduated in 1980 and found out that there were a lot of my classmates that were gay when I went to a gay bar in Philly sort of blew my mind. No matter whether old or young most will think that you two guys are hot.
i believe it is, to certain extent, truthful. As a Chinese, i have seen an increase amount of "appreciation" or "fangirling" of straight girls towards gay people, there are even people compete with each other on the number of "gay friends" they have on social media which i found quite ridiculous as if gay friend as an item of showing off. They think gay friends are more understanding, more caring and more well put-together, have fashion senses, and more connected to them.
This has always been the case. It's not "fangirling" - it's pretty straightforward why girls would generally feel more comfortable befriending gay men than heterosexual men. It's obviously going to be much easier to maintain a purely platonic relationship with someone who's gay. A lot of straight women enjoy visiting gay clubs too because they know they aren't going to be harassed by straight guys. This may seem like a "new phenomenon", only because younger guys are feeling more comfortable to come out in more progressive parts of the world. This has been a very recent change; in the past, most gay men kept quiet about their sexual orientation until they couldn't keep quiet about it anymore. It's so ridiculous that, just because a few parts of the world has become progressive enough for gay men to feel comfortable about coming out at a younger age, we have people now questioning if being gay is "trendy" 🙄
@@lastday90925 yeah, but also sometimes i felt in the case of China, gays can be treated almost like a status glorification. Many girls online comments like i have many gay friends, im cool, they take me to shop makeup etc. Im like what the hell?
@@masterbunny9480 that's a bit annoying, even from gay men's perspective. I think that used to be a thing in Western media two decades ago or so, but you don't see that kind anymore.
Today the kids are enamored with gay pop culture, the fashion, music, drag queens etc and don’t have experience with the other side of it which is the painful part, such as the rejection, shame, and isolation which is the part that some millennials and older generations had to endure. And if they are met with that, the support system they need is only a click or swipe away with access to the internet and social media where you can find your tribe of people to not only support you but celebrate your newfound identity. Older generations of queer people didn’t have that luxury most of time unless you were lucky to have family and friends that were accepting of you.
Don't forget the way gay men treat each other, and project their own insecurities on one another. Also, the promiscuity and addictive behaviours rife in the gay male community 😑
Thoughtful and fascinating.
The guest is absolutely right. It's easier on certain countries, and I would dare to say regions, where there is LGBT acceptance, so it's safer for them to get out of the closet. But in the rest of the world? that has to be seen. My country is still deeply homophobic (Venezuela). Even at this age I can't see a LGBT teen here having a healthy teen period, I'm sure most of them still linger at the closet in those rough high school times.
I'm 45 now, and I only got out of the closet this year. That's how bad it is. Maybe my story is a bit of particular, because back when I was 27 and I was thinking on getting out of the closet, a traumatic event happened and locked me again into the closet until this very year.
So yeah, I don't think it's easier for this gen to come out. Just that in certain countries it's definitely easier, but that isn't happening world wide.
Being your true self, whatever that may be, is what’s cool.
this is exactly what i thought. i like what he said about the sense of belonging is not the same as being digitally connected. the generation of today are very lucky to have all the technology advancement which we didnt have back in the 90's, but i am also happy to have experienced the true meaning of connection. 💞
Thank you.
This reminds me of Nirvana's All Apologies.
What else should I be?
All apologies
What else should I say?
Everyone is gay
Interesting vignette from your podcast, I live in the U.S. Things in the cities are "Kind of" like that, the biggest difference being many of our cities are hundreds and some times thousands of mile apart. In many instances these cities reside in states that are NOT forgiving on LGBT Attitudes and lives. If there is one growing sentiment I think I'm seeing living in the outlying region of extreme Southern California and traveling up and down the "LEFT Coast" Millennials and Gen-Z, I think are coming to the LGBT community (Gay men in particular)" because they see us, and having to learn how to derive joy with ourselves--- And they come to us, seeking validation and permission to instill that same sexual joy within themselves!
Back in the 80s it was a struggle being queer and even getting friends to buy into your sexuality. You had to keep it to yourself, which was hard . I think it’s moved on a lot for younger people now but I’m sure that struggle still is there at some level . What saddens me is when they get into the community and scene how generic it is and you now have to fit into the expectation of how to behave , socialise and sex . It’s quite generic now which isn’t great
When talking about how much better it is for LGBTQIA younger people, so much gets forgotten. There are still poor and working class kids who don't have access because they don't have resources and may be struggling just to survive. Disabled queer people of all ages often find the community exclusionary and not accessible. Basic rights are still not codified into law in most countries, and people still experience discrimination and violence. too often these conversations come from a place of privilege, where people think that everything is so much easier now. It is for people with privilege. But for most queer people, the struggle is still real and ongoing.
Woke Queer people don’t give a damn about the working class. Could not care less. The working class is the neglected, abandoned runt. Your average Richmond, Nightsbridge, Orange County queer person would not piss on a burning working class person, queer or not. Queer is the new ultimate identity accessory and indicator of ultimate social privilege. It’s dishonest in the extreme.
I think, what people find cool about LGBT people is their confidence. It's maybe sometimes a regret the other person has.
Societal pressure to reproduce effect everybody and through recent history we can see it in different forms.
It mght sound weird but it's a vibe I've picked up a few times.... Gay guys who're friends can hang all over each other and touch/hug/etc, each other without other LGBT+ people thinking there's something sexual going on. I think straight guys sometimes wish they could have that option.
And what about gay people who cannot afford to live in London ? Go up to Hull or even York and see what is available there!!!
Even worse, hello from Turkiye..
What I noticed in the states is a lot of straight women identifying as queer and/or non-binary. I think these identities are very different than being same sex attracted.
It's a fad. I'm not queer, I'm homosexual/ gay
Is it now cool for breeders to be a-holes? Apparently.
hahahahahaha for republirats everything is a menace but their weird morals
When I was in London recently the gayest place was the terrace outside of Cafe Nero's on the corner of Frith Street. Late 20's early 30's were there and there were smiles and recognitions, but that's all. Of course the drinking places were full, but I felt it would be good if there were more non-alcohol places where you could just read a book, as one gay man was, or sit in the fresh air. Also more gay free magazines to at least show it is not all about money.
I think this comes about because it is easier to not be stereotyped of grouped by a label. Labels and grouping people by specific characteristics helps to denegrate us, and keep us separated. Your sexuality is yours, you dont have to belong to this or that camp. just Be yourself. You want to work on how society handles it, STOP separating people with labels of sex, race, etc.
Being who you really are, is unassailably cool.
In the US maybe. Around most part of the world people are still afraid to come out of the closet. I had to pause my relationship with my bf because he was too afraid of the society and what people would think, he told me it is too much for him to handle and he wishes he could live in the US or a first world country where he can be accepted.
Being gay in the 80s and 90s sucked. The world was much more intolerant back then.
boy you have missed the boat!! they have it way easier..and they are more mixed up talk to the old guys
Be prideful. 🎉
Cool? I don't think so... If anything, it can be sizzling hot LOL
Oh look at me look at me I’m interesting and different! Oh the horror and shame of not being interesting! Everybody must love me and if it’s not everyone then I’ll show them!
How about having to endure the disrespect of the younger ones and the generation referring to our community as queer
I'm OK with queer but being older... !
@@fabfinwell bully for you.
The word “queer,” is defined by GLAAD as “experiencing sexual attraction in a way that does not fit into… dominant norms.” The word originated as a slur against people who are gay; some gay people have reclaimed the word, but for others, it remains a term of abuse. Within progressive circles, many otherwise ordinary, straight people have taken ownership of the word, because identifying as “queer” grants them the ability to claim sexual minority status. In a new the majority of people identifying as “queer” are nontransgender women. In my opinion, for straight men, identifying as “queer” can be a tool signaling their progressivism so that feminist women will date them. For the group of otherwise straight, female-typical women identifying as part of an oppressed class is intersectionality. Mainstream feminism, however, has encouraged an entirely new, malignant application, with groups who would otherwise be considered to have privilege clamoring for minority status so that their opinions are given more weight. Seizing one, or a handful, of the gender nonbinary identity labels allows a person to join the LGBT+ movement tangentially, without question, even when there is nothing L, G, B, or T about them.
Based on recent poll’s findings, millennials are almost twice as likely to identify as “LGBTQ” as people in Generation X. Despite this, millennials who are not part of the community were less likely to know someone who identified as “gay” or “lesbian.” This means those who consider themselves to be “LGBTQ” are identifying as something other than lesbian or gay, speaking to the broadening of identity labels used to describe one’s sexual orientation. More people are identifying as part of the community not out of a true sexual identity, but because it is trendy to do so, or because they believe sexuality is “fluid.” This undermines biological explanations for sexual orientation.
Gay rights activists fought for the “born this way” narrative because it came with greater social acceptance-and not only that, it is scientifically correct. Biological evidence supports a person’s sexual orientation to be hardwired before birth. It doesn’t appear that nonbinary activists have thought through the implications of denying If being gay is a choice, it makes it more difficult to advocate against attempts to change it. Some nonbinary people will say that they don’t like labels like “gay” or “lesbian” because they are binary terms; attraction to a man or a woman, even in the context of being gay, is still considered attraction to a binary gender. Others have argued that you can be a “nonbinary lesbian,” which doesn’t make sense. In order to be a lesbian, by definition, one needs to be a woman. The whole thing illustrates how ill-conceived these theories pertaining to the gender spectrum are.
(As for the term, “LGBT+,” it is made up of distinct factions that don’t really have much to do with each other.) For instance, bisexuality has been redefined to include people who have romantic feelings for people of both sexes. The “sex” part of “bisexual” is no longer required. Doing so lowers the bar for people to self-identify their way into the community. From what I’ve observed, sexual orientation does, however, play a role in the decision to identify as nonbinary. Because lesbian women tend to be more male-typical in some respects and because they are sexually attracted to women, some gravitate toward the nonbinary label because it is more socially acceptable than being a masculine woman or identifying as gay. The same applies to some gay men who have embraced the nonbinary label. When asked in media interviews about how they knew they were nonbinary, many profess a love of being a man, but also wearing makeup and high heels. One of the bedrocks of the gay community is drag shows, in which adult men dress up as very feminine women to lip-synch to pop. Feminine gay men and masculine lesbians, by virtue of being gender-nonconforming, are not trans or nonbinary; they are gender-nonconforming men and women.
In a recent study, roughly one-third of Gen Z and one quarter of millennials reported knowing someone who uses nonbinary pronouns like “they,” compared with only about one-sixth of people in Generation X, with the proportion continuing to drop for older generations. Along with he/him/his and she/her/hers, there are also pronouns of the gender-neutral variety, they/them/theirs. There is also zie/zir/zirs and sie/hir/hirs and ey/em/eirs. As critical as I am of the nonbinary movement, I do think language matters, and I will use the pronouns someone wants me to use. But sometimes I get the sense that the language thing has more to do with controlling others than the desire for people to be respectful.From what I gather, being nonbinary is a way to experiment with self-expression, the way that everyone did as teenagers. Some of us got body piercings, tattoos, or poorly thought out haircuts, in addition to making questionable fashion choices. That was part of the beauty of being young and figuring out who you were. But adults recognized it for what it was, and we were never authoritarian about it.
A big part of the nonbinary movement is the refusal to subscribe to traditional gender norms while also denying that gender has any meaningful correlation to biological sex. What it fails to realize is that it’s possible for a person to be gender-nonconforming while identifying as simply a woman or a man. By nonbinary activists’ definition, everyone on planet earth is gender nonbinary. If a man decides he sometimes enjoys putting on women’s clothing, does that mean he’s actually actually genderfluid? Not necessarily. He may just be a man who, for whatever reason likes to wear women’s clothing. And to be clear, saying that gender is binary is not the same thing as saying that prejudice against gender-nonconforming individuals is acceptable or that we should impose gender conformity on them. We can acknowledge that some people are gender-nonconforming or gender-diverse, and encourage them to be who they are, without rewriting science to facilitate this acceptance.
Gender has become trendy and being something other than female or male sounds exotic; a person appears interesting and ahead of the curve. By simply being known as nonbinary or genderqueer or going by “they/them” pronouns, it immediately conveys to other people that this particular individual is different and to some degree, special, because they are an exception to the rule, which could be expected in young people and especially teenagers. As more people take on these labels, being nonbinary has become a way to find community, a sense of belonging, and acceptance. It’s not so much about individuality as it is about group membership. “transgender” has expanded to encompass anyone who feels, in any way, different from what would be expected of them, based on their birth sex. This includes gender-atypical and gender-nonconforming people and anyone who feels even mild discomfort about their bodies.
The widening of the application of what it means to be transgender means more people will potentially identify this way, thereby inflating its prevalence in the general population. If a larger percentage of people identify as transgender or nonbinary, this offers support for the argument that these identities are real phenomena and discrimination against them is unjust. But we can advocate for this acceptance without socially engineering numbers in favor of it. Doing so only leads to a further lack of clarity for those who will be inappropriately grouped as part of the community.
Those who are genderfluid describe their gender, gender dysphoria is not a whimsical feeling that comes and goes depending on which direction the winds are blowing that day. If anything, the concept of gender fluidity calls into question the very idea of being transgender. The concept of gender dysphoria rests on the idea that gender is innate and that the brain of one sex exists in the body of the other. Gender fluidity suggests the very antithesis to this, that one’s internal sense of gender can vary by the hour. If one’s gender can change, why shouldn’t it be malleable to align with a person’s birth sex? The concept of gender fluidity argues against trans adults’ right to transition.
I understand why the nonbinary movement has gained such momentum so quickly and why it’s being held in such high regard. Other sexual and gender minority groups, including gay and transgender people, have long had people telling them that what they experience isn’t real or that they’re just going through a phase. Part of the push to accept people identifying as nonbinary (and also, children who say they are transgender) stems from the empathy of those who want to correct for mistakes in the past. Then we have celebrities who are capitalizing on gender’s moment in the sun. If someone has a large public following and they announce they are nonbinary, it is hard to believe that doing so is anything but a publicity stunt to get people talking about them. Identifying as nonbinary provides social, and literal, currency, and public figures who “come out” as nonbinary obtain adulation and a newfound relevance as every media.
Well said.
Maybe stop being a sensitive snowflake who gets offended over words.
Gay? Maybe cool if you’re a girl. There’s always been those young teens that kiss their friend to be edgy and whatnot. Not really a thing with men and it all really depends where you are geographically. I agree with the general consensus that basically being “unique” and not the normal is now considered cool, so we get all these very vague labels like “queer/nonbinary/ abcd-sexual because they’re very non-commital and not easily definable and kind of easy to just not be whenever that phase of wanting to be unique ends for people.
Like anything else the pendulum just has to swing the other way before finding balance.
With (crazy) social justice theory so in vogue these days (it's taught in our schools and colleges and is widespread on the Internet), people's individual social standing (status) is often being graded on an inverse scale; with the best status group being black, gay female that has multiple handicaps, both physical and mental; and the worst of the worst status group being a socially well adapted sane straight white male. To gain a better social standing, children and other people are encouraged to transition to the opposite gender, become gay, identify as being on the Autistic Spectrum (or other mental problems like OCD, bipolar, depressed, anxiety, or some other mental disorder or learning disability). Schools and counselors essentially peddling these disorders to elementary, middle school and high school students, it is no wonder the number of Trans, gay and autistic students have become such an epidemic these days. There seems to be some kind of plot to reduce the U.S. population by sterilizing people metaphorically by brainwashing them to be gay, or literally by transitioning them to the opposite sex. Part of the plot seems to be to break up the nuclear family and knowing major population declines often lead to economic decline (like Japan over the past 30 years), it could be a long term plot to damage the US economy. With these ideas in mind, my guess is it is some Marxist (or Maoist) plot hatched in Russia or China. But other than raising the question I can't cite more scientific evidence to back up my hunch. I am over 70, so my hunch is based on personal observations, not so different from my views on global warming that I have been pointing out for decades.
It all began with Reagan and destroying the unions. The families then society dissolved on their own.
What about the cost, the cost of everything is up, up , up,, i can,t imagine raising 8 children now the way my parents did,, we were poor but we never went without too much,, ok, you can put your tinfoil hat back on now !
I’m sorry you think what you think. You’re born gay or trans. It’s just a fact. No big plot going on. We’ve always been here but we had to cover who we were. We are not the decline of anything in the world.
I've run into comments & observations like yours quite often in the past few years. I can't imagine how to research this but I wonder if it's tied to location somehow and there's LESS of this going on in areas that have a history of acceptance (even if grudging) of people who are different in any way.
I've spent about 25 years in NYC schools (including about 15 as a teacher) and I can tell you that NONE of this kind of thing is going on. Teachers, counsellors, etc. have no time to engage in the things you describe. OTOH, even back in the 90's nobody cared if HS teachers or students were gay. Nobody broadcasted it but nobody hid it because it just wasn't important enough either way.
Maybe NYC is some kind of bubble world because I've never run into any of the 'rainbow', 'alphabet', or 'pronoun' stuff that seems to be so widespread.
@@ak5659 Most of the world doesn't and didn'yt have your privilege which you are throwing around willy nilly.in this comment section. Blabbering on.
It’s been cool
It is truth to a certain extent, but the truth about gen Z is that they are extremely polarized on the subject.
We can see that in France where our political spectrum in national elections goes from revolutionary anti capitalist to extreme far right.
The young generations have completely abandoned the central part of the spectrum, the one who would never do anything actively homophobic but yet is still reluctant not going too far in changing social norms.
Half of them have voted for the very progressive New Popular Front.
But a third of them have voted for the very regressive national rally, where the only lgbtqia+ accepted are anti woke gay men.
So it is certainly more cool than it was before but in the same time it makes haters more stealth, but they are still a real thing.
And my own personal experience is not that positive.
I have been out as gay since I was 18 (46 now) but didn’t feel really comfortable with it. I love gay culture but I have always felt that I am sort of out of it. Sexually I have always been a bottom.
Until I realized I am agender and that my exclusive attraction to men was in many ways internalized cis heteronormativity where only cis men can top.
All my coworkers where gen Z or very late gen X (born in the early 90’s), I have always been discreet about my private life at work but, as talking about gender violence or the personal experience of a lesbian coworker was always easy I felt confident enough to come out.
I was wrong. Just for coming out about my gender identity and sexual orientation (as it is not driven by the gender identity of my partner but the role they can play, being a bottom is part of my orientation), I have been rejected, even in a very progressive environment such as Paris .
And in many ways, the fact than things are now easier globally makes things worse the few times it doesn’t go well. As my second coming out with friends didn’t go well either, I am now less out than I was 15 years ago when I was working for boomers from the Turkish community…
As an older gay man you present a very complex social scene that I have difficulty understanding or taking seriously. Long ago I knew people who had different gender identities and a mixture of people they were attracted to but it wasn’t so hyper organized, categorized and important that one would take offense if not recognized appropriately. Getting too old for to understand the importance.
@@WillFinch-k4j so you were in an accepting environment, good for you. But it is not only for my complex identity.
It is about a coworker who was so shocked by an effeminate man she met in a shop, that she would feel the need to talk about in the open space and all the others would agree that it is going too far…
Or that she could not stand the idea I could have a pink protection for my phone.
Of being accused of “pretending” just for having a pink shirt.
Or having witnessed constant harassment of women, queer and non white coworkers.
Including a friend who were harassed for being bi by his boss.
Or having to work with far right coworkers who were free to deliver their hate speech but being summoned by my boss for my coming out. Being asked to stop talking about the subject in front of my coworkers but being told they could do nothing to stop them expressing their opinions…
I understand the world is too complicated for your limited brain but maybe, just maybe you could have guess that the situation was a little more complicated than what was said on a UA-cam comment…
And btw, the friend who was harassed both morally and for his sexual orientation killed himself…
But I am sure there was not such snowflakes during your time…
When was it not cool? - Gen Z
As someone who was relentlessly bullied by not just schoolmates but also family - it wasn’t cool when I was younger
Cool? People are or are not and that’s it!
Is it cool to have blonde hair? Black skin? You get born with it. It is not choice like some cloths!
Um Tag's answers are VERY over produced. An less like a podcast and more like a politician.
2 sexy guys!😘🌈🌈🌈
creep
Not at all….
Gen z endless search for likes and self esteem through posts
Its all about social media clout. Being straight is boring and played out.
In the 1970s it was real simple a bunch of guys hanging out saying girls aren't going to put out until they get married, so let's just go and have sex with each other. And we don't have to worry about somebody getting pregnant. It was easy to hook up with another best friend.
I might have liked that group of friends
You didn't have HIV/AIDS then either....