Do You Need Offroad Sway Bars? Ultimate Land Rover Discovery Build Episode 27
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- Offroad sway bars. Do you need one? Today on Dirt Lifestyle I want to talk about the pros and cons of using an offroad sway bar. We are also going to retrofit a used sway bar on my 2003 Land Rover Discovery 2. There are lots of options out there! Choose one that works for you and make sure you have a full understanding of what you are gaining and giving up. Enjoy the video!
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Your the first person I've ever seen add a sway bar to an off roader. I've always taken mine off for more flex. But that's an interesting perspective.
If you aren't flexing enough to pull tires off the ground it really doesn't matter that much. Especially for a daily driver where swaybars add a lot to the driveability on road.
with he proper spring rate you WILL need sway bars on OR offroad, also you gaing A TON of stability offroad; dont think that a tire on the ground its automatically better/more traction and a tire in the air its a "bad" thing.. i used to think like that until i reworked my springs/shocks and added a sway bar (lowered the spring rate, revalved shocks, sway bars and bump stops) and now my jeep its a whole different vehicle; it works soo much better now its actually hard to explain it
This theory only works if vehicle is fitted with diff locks. In the case of open differentials (not centre diff) then wheels are needed on ground for traction.
I think this is the key factor he failed to mention/clarify.
@@ottoscribante5230 I assumed he has diff locks since most serious off-road rigs do. Even my 4x4 van has lock in the rear and very good limited slip in the front.
I wanna see a video of before and after body roll/axle flex with the sway bar
Great video, I’ve learned a lot watching your fabrication videos. I can’t wait to see how you’re going to put the Taco on 37’s!
Drop it on them from a helicopter.
This is what I was searching for! Trying to put a rear sway bar on my ‘98 Isuzu Trooper. I’ve broke two already. And your rover set up is extremely similar.
I added a heavy duty rear sway bar on my van. It made a big difference.
My tundra. I run a heavy duty rear swaybar and no front swaybar. With upgraded suspension it’s manageable on the highway and rides so much better on the trail
probably forces your front ifs to travel pretty well
It's funny that this video should come up at this time.
I lifted my Jeep XJ a while back put it on 35s made a long travel suspension for it but I took off the sway bars.
Now after driving it back and forth to work for a while I'm not happy with the body roll when I'm turning corners.
So I watch this video after literally coming in from the barn from modifying the original sway bar so I can put it back in the Jeep
Thanks Nate! Been looking forward to this one.
Love you're content Nate best thing on UA-cam down here in Australia keep up the great work. cheers
Thank you for the support!
I always preach the value of swaybars. Lots of people dump them. What they don't realize is they help prevent roll overs in emergency situations.
Right on thanks brother, this is really going to help me with my 96 Disco
Been without sway bars for a wile
Looking forward to this next project on my rig now
Another incredible video Nate!!! Keep up the amazing work and love how consistent you are with uploads!! Love the channel 👍❤️
Awesome!! Nice video, always enjoy the content!
Awesome video! Thanks for this info! Always helps the way you explain things! Thank you!
This is exactly why you save things you take off a vehicle, or spare/scrap parts. I save as much usable pieces as possible. I really like your addition and the white board explanation!! Can’t wait to see what’s next!!
Love the new garage cabinets!
I've got a tj that I added a 4 inch short lift and I've considered upgrading my sway bars to see if that helps with body roll so great video man may have to look into this a little more
You shouldn't have any issues with body roll utilizing the factory bars. I have a TJ, 4-in lift JK axles on 38s. Stock bars with quick disconnect. Does great on the highway. Yes there's some sway but I'm never worried about tipping over in a turn. It's an off-road vehicle not a race car... Most people's idea of upgrading the sway bar is going with a smaller diameter bar like an antirock.
Great vid. Loved the fabrication. Your explanations are very clear and concise.
Thank you!
From what I read about the currie anti rock, on the lightest setting, it reduced total flex by 5% on an rti ramp, but in competition rock crawling, the rigs with anti rock were outperforming the rigs with no sway bar.
If you look at ultra 4, it seems every rig has a sway bar. I personally have just a front sway bar on my LJ, has quick disconnects but I prefer it connected and I can still use all of my 14 inch travel shocks. I do plan on anti rock to make it able to tuck a winch back. I hope I'll be able to fit the rear on, but I'm not sure it'll fit.
Your skills are awesome Nate not only what you can do but how you explain what you're doing and I appreciate how you do it thank's Nate 😎👍
Thank you for watching!
Great video. Thanks for the info. Keep the videos coming
Anti rock is fantastic on my XJ, no rear swaybar due to room but the front antirock also forces the rear leaf to actually flex.
Love all the vids keep it up always amazing
One small point to make . The length of the sway bar links makes an impact on handling too . Great channel by the way.
Thanks Nate….never really understood exactly how sway bars are effective. Great stuff as always 👍🏻👍🏻
Good stuff Nate,thanks.
Up cycling is the way to do it. Thank you for another great to the point video.
Great video. FYI on the 1st Gen Xterra’s if you don’t remove the factory rear sway bar it’ll contact the rear shock on the passenger side while flexing and damage it. I removed mine (per bilstein instructions) when I upgraded shocks.
Nice great info thank you!!
When Nate talks even deaf people listen
I hit thumbs up before I hit 1 minute in. love the channel man
Great advice on using the jeep parts.
That's some great kit-bashing!
I always keep more crap than I need...I get grumpy about the space it's taking up...until I find a use for it and then pat myself on the back a little.
Might be putting a rear swaybar on my Ranger...didn't come with one stock, and it would help a lot with weight and trailering. As long as I can do it QD for more technical stuff. Will 100% look at junkyard Jeeps now, thanks!
Yes a sway bar will only add traction if you have a locker, if open diff it will go the path of least resistance. Im sure you know that, just for the people that might not👍
Nice work Nate.
A lot of guys over here delete their swaybars (I have a Patrol tourer/ overlander). I went against convention and went to stiffer/bigger bars from a later model as the vehicle started getting heavier and higher, I stand by my decision👍
Plus; do you know much about disconneccts? I'm thinking about getting them but would like to know what options there are, plus pros and cons, if you know anything you'd like to share 👍
Disco with working ACE is a great thing. I've driven it with and without sway bars. Hated it without swaybars.
Key word is with working.. it is a stellar system though!
@@CalebMcKenzie true! I bet most discos have never had fluid and filters replaced.
@@CalebMcKenzie follow up. My ace system started blowing pipes. Tonight I ripped out the whole system, and I'm installing solid bars with front disconnects. :)
Thanks for explaining. Now I know my car gets sway bars. Cheers🍻
Another awesome video
Great video,you always seem to have video about the oddball things I'm into,I been building an overland yj with a roof rack,up high weight equals more body roll with my softer suspension,try to find a rear sway bar for a yj,lol got a used tj rear sway bar on order, gonna try to make it happen,again thanks for your spin on it, always helpful
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I ended up beefing up my fj cruiser rear sway bar and removing the front one completely. 3 inch arb lift kit front and rear with jba heavy duty upper arms on the front. The stiffer front springs, heavy duty upper arms and upgraded poly bushings on the lower arms make sway bar not even needed, in fact it completely hindered it. I have now about 10 nch of travel up front and 13 ish in the back. If I had a lighter sway bar I could definitely have more rear travel. However most of my trips are overland style and not so much crawling anymore so I don't need all the flex, and being more stable when loaded up with all my camping and cooking gear gives me more confidence to take corners a little harder
Running 3in lift with a front swaybar delete. I was going to do the rear but haven't decided yet.
Awesome video man, always learn alot. Quick question when welding on a vehicle, should you disconnect the battery so you don’t risk damaging the electronics? Thanks for the upload..:)
Holy crap probably a whole year later you finally do a sway bar video
Nate. Thought the sway bar fitments affected the diagonally opposing end of each drive wheel on our Full-time 4x4's ? As the original Rangies and Discoveries never had anti-roll bars from the factory, the suspension system spring rates were designed without the mechanical aid ! V.
Plus no axle diff-locks on LR unless aftermarket. Plenty of the UK available 4x4 pickups they have soft vertical springing and thick anti-roll (sway bar) and off road it is like someone punching you in the shoulder all the time.
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Nate if your wrangler sway bar is to light, try one from a 2000ish ram 2500 rear. Axle mounted but stiffer than The wrangler bar
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useful vid for jeep👍
Great information as always👍👍 Wondering if your opinion on IFS would be the same compared to solid axles. I no longer run a front sway bar up front on my 99 4Runner, and run a rear with disconnects.
What disconnects do you run? Seems like there's only one place making them for 3rd gens and they currently have a wait-list.
Good video...Theres a lot of misconceptions on sway bars on an "off-road vehicle". I have a Hellwig rear chromoly sway bar installed on my Zr2 because I have a small truck camper... It made a huge difference on handling and the truck still performs great offroad. I don't do hardcore rock crawling so the amount of flex I lose is negligible. BTW I did work with the Hellwig engineers to help develop a sway bar for the Colorado zr2 platform, its quite a bit different than the one for the standard Colorados. The sway bar is not currently in production for the Zr2 but if enough people contact Hellwig I am sure they would make a production ready model for you guys.
100% agree.
Keep up the great work and content. I'd like to see you build an ext cab Jeep Wrangler pickup with a diesel and fab 9 housings.
I ended up adapting fully adjustable circle track car sway bars to my TJ Unlimited. There were levers I could use to adjust the sway bar spring rates. It really worked out well. Planning on doing the same to my M37CDN build. I'm kinda surprised I don't see this used more actually. They ended up costing about the same as a Currie Anti-Rock, and were way more adjustable than the dual rate bars that a few companies offered. Plus cheaper!
What company did you buy them from?
Interesting subject that nobody else really covers! You mentioned upgrading the brakes with a LR4 booster and master cylinder. Is that a bolt on upgrade. I’ve got a Disco 2 with the same brake issues you are having. Thanks and LOVE the channel!!
Hey Nate! I loved the vid as usual, but I think you possibly missed an opportunity. Could you not have ran a little longer bases off the axle as to mount the Antirock on the axle, and still give you enough clearance to remove your diff cover? I've never seen someone run an Antirock inverted, and I think it would be super cool, especially on that custom rig!
I love this idea. Excellent food for thought
I figured you would drive it and let us know if the sway bar was stiff enough.
Love the videos, they make me think and keep them coming Nate. Looks like the sway bar is up side down to me. If not, can you explain why?
It's not designed for this vehicle so the bends in the bar will be weird looking no matter how you flip it. It's very close to the air line when I flip it the other way but I need to test it to see which way works best 👍
Great video, short and to the point. Are you worried about coming off a rock or obstacle and landing on the hoop of the rear sway bar? It looks like it sticks out from the pumpkin a little bit.
Yay!
Hi Nate, are you re instaling the front antirock on the TJ?
Yeaaaah, I think that the Rancho 2.5" lift springs on my stretched 48 Willys are already too stiff to even consider adding sway bars... The thing rides like a dump truck already..
Thanks Nate, great video. I have a JL and it has a pretty flimsy rear sway bar. I’ve been thinking of getting a heavier one and adding quick disconnects on it.
It’s probably flimsy so it can flex without being disconnected
I don't have quick disconnects on mine and it literally take less than 30 seconds to disconnect .
Swaybars arent hard to disconnect properly don't see the point in spending extra money on quick disconnects
@@willmcc05 lol, go ahead and use a wrench… I’ll pull a pin. 👍
@@mikepierson3097 from what ive seen you need to oil up the disconnects and stuff which is a pain personally I stopped running sway bars a few months back and don't plan to put them back on haha
i took my 2500hd gmt800 on a jeep trail. it did great but i noticed some frame flex, would a rear sway bar help to reduct that flex?
Just subscribed today. Saw you do a video with Trail Recon. I live in Washington State. Yakima to be exact. I’m just getting into over landing and hitting some good trails. Which ones do you recommend? I have a 09 Jeep Wrangler unlimited Rubicon with a 3.5 inch lift on 35’s.
Hey nate if your interested in getting rid of that really narrow sway bar I have a project I could use it on.
You gunna do something with the old Gladiator sometime?
Looking to instal Bilstein 6112's up front in my Tacoma here shortly. Some people claim that the shocks are good enough, that they were able to remove the front sway bar and still retain a fairly flat ride.
Personally, my truck is primarily driven on the street and I'd like to retain the front sway bar. I've also heard that adding a rear traction bar helps with winter handling.
But I also drive on gravel and dirt, and would like the suspension to function as it should. Is there a special sway bar I should be looking into that would provide a decent compromise for both??
I dont plan on rock crawling
Does what you said stay true for leaf spring vehicles like a yj?
My opinion is that the resistance to twisting that's inherent to leaf springs acts like a sway bar already. I use sway bars on coil spring suspension but not leaves, especially when it's leaves all the way around. Just my dumb opinion
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The real challenge would be figuring something out for then front sway-bar on the taco. Taco sway bar is on/off because a quick disconnect ends up puncturing the CV.
I have a Jku with a currie front swaybar and sumosprings, will the sumo springs be too much? theyre the metal cloak standard duroflex sumo springs or whatever they are called?
So, are you supposed to keep the sway bar level at ride height to figure out your link lengths.....?
Here I am taking mine off of my overlander, and you are adding them. 🤔 Strange, but interesting content nonetheless.
He took his off as well!
Rear sway bars generally don’t need to be removed. Front sway bars are easily disconnect-able
Hi. On a YJ with leaf springs. Sway bar or no sway bar?. What about articulation?
Hi how many people do you travel ? O asked as I thought about to get of of those but I have 3=4 people plus GSD. Also can you go over the model vs off road tech ? Locker , traction control.....Thanks
Once you install an axle that wasn't a factory option, the idea of an out-of-the-catalog sway bar goes right out the window. I had to do some screwing around to get a front sway bar to fit my modified F250.
I only run a rear swaybar on my Jeep. Can't even put one on the front because there isn't any room because of SD60.
where did you get that shirt! Need one bad!
So...how does it work?
When you weld to your frame do you apply any corrosion protection to the inside of the frame afterwards? Typically the frame will be painted on the inside but welding destroys the paint. I am in the process of welding some sliders on and I was thinking about how I want to handle corrosion protection. I drive my truck in the winter in PA so it will see salt. My truck has a fully boxed frame, so coating the inside with paint is going to be challenging if not impossible. I was thinking about spraying something oil/wax based with a Schutz on the inside of the frame to repel water, but I would need to reapply it at least yearly.
Any advice?
All XJ bros: Rear sway bar? Throw that out.
Including me. Not needed.
I always ran my XJ with no sway bars, but the rear leaves gave it enough stability
And the ZJ I just built is a MESS without the sway bars. They're both connected on that.
Can you do a sway bar disconnect mod on your tacoma..if not can you explain why not safety wise or just not feasible plus tacom has A arm and no axle ...thanks
What's you opinion of traction bars for offroad trucks both rear and front and rear?
Thanks for clearing that topic up. Too many people are running without sway bars on the street and that's stupid and dangerous to themselves and others.
Not only are Jeep parts a plenty they are going to be more engineered/tested than most truck parts as at the core Jeeps are for offroad.
Ram HD with no sway bar and aftermarket 4 link air ride. Decent off road but sketchy when loaded on the highway. Aftermarket rear sway bar that came with the air ride setup is so stiff it doesn't allow for any articulation so it is disconnected.
What about trac bars on a yj? I’ve gone back and fourth and read both yes and no on removing them?
I vote to get rid of them. The leaves center the axle, and the track bar will limit axle travel while adding lots of stress to the already "weak" frame. In the rust belt, the track bar mounts and steering box area are the first areas to crack.
Dirt Church Sunday!! Nate....question for you...have you ever entertained a Honda Element build? Its definitely not a hard core overlander, but a decent little adventure rig. My wife just got a 2010 Lexus RDX 350 to replace the Element. Just curious, as you are not hung up on any one make or model of vehicle.
I know a guy that is building a Honda Pilot as a mild back country rig. Problem he's running into it he can find lots of universal stuff for his back country gear, but when it comes to the Pilot's legs and armor there's little to no support, so custom fab has been his only choice.
I definitely wouldn't be opposed to a build like that but I haven't thought about an element specifically. Maybe one day 👍
Am i wrong or the anti sway bar is flipped from how it should be, I mean when the axle hits a bump the bended part of the sway bar is gona hit the axle instead of separate from the axle
When is the TJ coming back?
Can't believe that's the original sway bar, my td5 is bigger than the one you put in being ACE
Things are looking great on the Disco!!! Let us know if that sway bar is stiff enough..
man i actually think a sway bar makes the offroad high speed stuff feel better. If you have a flexy lightly sprung rig, it can feel real floaty and unplanted without a bar.
Not too many options for a rear sway bar in an XJ, and I’m not looking forward to forking out $300+, any ideas?
There are factory xj rear sway bars. Get longer links and call it a day. 95% of xj I see just have a front one and that works fine for most people.
I would put the disconnect on the bottom so you are not dragging your links over rocks!
And if you have the luxury to buy antirock swaybars for the same manufacturer that are actually made for your vehicle it will benefit on and offroad because the rates are balanced.
I thought I kept hearing the ice cream truck coming down the road, but turned out it was the background music in video.
Okay... soooo... (Mind=blown) Swaybars... wait wha???
What is your opinion on Toyota's kdss
Personally I Have got it and found it great offroad
It's a very smart idea and system but I don't have any experience with it yet 👍
@@DirtLifestyle was it an option on the new Toyota Tacoma you have brought?
the links hang pretty low??
Man it's too bad your disco didn't come with ACE. I have it on mine and it's actually really impressive. Corners really flat on the highway, and then offroad at low speeds they're effectively disconnected which gives tones of flex. I'm limited more by my wheel arches than I am by anything else.
Awesome video! Small correction though, when you say the "spring rate" changes you actually mean the spring "force" is changing. For springs and torsion bars (sway bars) like these the spring rate is near as makes no difference constant, but that constant spring rate gives more and more force the more that you bend/compress the spring! Just a minor correction on terminology.
Either way I love these how to/offroad theory videos, keep them coming! 👍