A Routine Approach to Land Instantly Turns into a Deadly Nightmare (With Real Audio)

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  • Опубліковано 22 гру 2024

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  • @Lastdon56
    @Lastdon56 Рік тому +783

    I swear on that second accident, that plane was doing everything it could to not crash, but was overridden by some horrible pilots.

    • @clqudy4750
      @clqudy4750 Рік тому +35

      At least they'll never do that again, I guess.

    • @AE.rojet_aviation
      @AE.rojet_aviation Рік тому

      @@clqudy4750yeah there up there

    • @W8RIT1
      @W8RIT1 Рік тому +39

      I don't remember exactly which video here on this channel. It was the one with the Russian pilot who lets his son "fly" the plane. I think the video creator commented that it was as if the pilots wanted to crash because there were 2 points in their disaster that if they simply let go of the controls, the plane would have corrected itself.

    • @bignades1
      @bignades1 Рік тому +15

      ⁠@@W8RIT1 you got it mostly right, the plane likely wouldn’t have corrected itself, but had they just turned on the autopilot at any point prior to the final dive, it would’ve easily recovered

    • @tbm3fan913
      @tbm3fan913 Рік тому +74

      Exactly why I will not fly any Third World airlines. Maybe biased but then it is MY life and so I can be as biased as I feel necessary.

  • @jaimhaas5170
    @jaimhaas5170 Рік тому +413

    The sheer incompetence of that second one leaves me baffled. How did these pilots ever get certified?

    • @vivi6121
      @vivi6121 Рік тому +12

      good question

    • @stephenhazeldene7719
      @stephenhazeldene7719 Рік тому +17

      Cornflakes packet

    • @kevinmalone3210
      @kevinmalone3210 Рік тому +3

      That's a very good question.

    • @JDH_MUSIC
      @JDH_MUSIC Рік тому +57

      the airline was called yemenia, that's explanation enough

    • @malcolmwhite6588
      @malcolmwhite6588 Рік тому +19

      Yes, it’s like a panic error made by a private pilot who has only just gone solo and yet you’ve got a couple of experience people on the flight date with lots of automation to help and lots of warnings, interesting I don’t know if that’s relevant or not, but a friend of mine who flew for our national Carrier in New Zealand did an upgrade to a 737 type rating in America, and while he was there, there was a pilot from a very wealthy country from that part of the world in this video I can’t remember the exact country, but apparently the pilot was absolutely useless, but he tried to literally bribe the American instructor with money to pass him when he wouldn’t. He departed and said no problem he will find a flight training instructor that will give him his 737 rating!

  • @b.t.356
    @b.t.356 Рік тому +299

    The sheer negligence in both cases is disgusting

    • @tayyub7182
      @tayyub7182 Рік тому +27

      Especially the Controller in the second incident doesn't know what he's saying just stuttering and yapping

    • @ADPeguero
      @ADPeguero Рік тому +26

      Not just disgusting, but also scary. We place our lives in the hands of people that may be full of incompetence.

    • @luuduonghy659
      @luuduonghy659 Рік тому +2

      @@tayyub7182 The first incident wasn't much better as pilot let these kids into cockpit, something that was forbidden in aviation.

    • @glamdolly30
      @glamdolly30 Рік тому +11

      @@luuduonghy659 Huh? No kids caused either accident - you are referencing an entirely different crash!

    • @serverbf100mr
      @serverbf100mr Рік тому +12

      ​@@luuduonghy659What you just said was Aeroflot Flight 593 not that Inex Adria Flight

  • @georgem7400
    @georgem7400 Рік тому +147

    I've never piloted a plane, but the split second it tells me TERRAIN! PULL UP! PULL UP! I'm PULLING UP!

    • @lunayoshi
      @lunayoshi Рік тому +21

      Until you pull up too much and it stalls, I guess. :( As was the case with the second plane.

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 Рік тому +17

      @@lunayoshi First, full throttle!

    • @muitosabao
      @muitosabao Рік тому +5

      that's exactly what they did on the second crash, and that ultimately made the plane stall and crash!

    • @hoopdesign
      @hoopdesign Рік тому +25

      @@muitosabaoyou can pull up without pulling up to the moon. In the first video the pilots went 9 seconds without doing anything after hearing “pull up!” In the second video the pilots decided the plane was a rocket and could head to the moon. Can’t pilots just pull up like normal, like they know how to operate a plane or something?

    • @secondskins-nl
      @secondskins-nl Рік тому +6

      @@hoopdesign I'm not a pilot but on approach you've basically idle thrust since the plane gets more like a glider from your top of decent. All is calculated in a way you land as slow as possible with margin of course. The pilots didn't pull up anything, it's the automatic applied full thrust that made the plane pitch up. As said in the clip, the pilots should actually have pushed the nose down to counteract. You want to keep speed, without enough speed you drop like a brick.
      And it's all split second work, once you lose sufficient air flow over the wings you're too late. You can add power etc but all has a delay with a big heavy plane and already close to the ground there ain't much margin.
      Flying a plane ain't hard but doing exactly what's right in some seconds in a unusual situation is. That's why pilots are trained on situations they often never will encounter. Both of these accidents where avoidable but that's with a lot of accidents. Humans are pretty lousy if it's about focussing at a lot at the same time and if there is happening a lot around you it's really easy to miss something. Especially when things are unexpected.
      If you read the comments you'll notice a lot of super talented pilots who won't make mistakes are actually just commenting UA-cam videos the entire day. Total waste of talent and could make aviation so much saver to have them as pilots /sarcastic

  • @cattinkerbell4946
    @cattinkerbell4946 Рік тому +206

    2nd case: You can't convince me that these dudes ever passed any flying test without bribes.

    • @wokewokerman5280
      @wokewokerman5280 Рік тому +23

      ...some airlines and in some countries are absolutely scary....

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane 11 місяців тому +4

      @@wokewokerman5280 ATC in the second video were unbelievable. ww win. watca call it. You n n know, that blowy stuff.
      Meanwhile on the first video, when the pilots could well have had a missed approach, ATC would send them on a sightseeing tour over the mountains.
      In both cases, both ATC and the pilots were a bunch of clowns.
      In the second video, After nearly landing in the water. Airbus automation along with both pilots, could not get them back to 1,000 feet without stalling. What right minded pilot sets the autopilot to descend to zero.
      Meanwhile, to save interrupting the sterile flight deck, the pilot monitoring had gone off to make some coffee.
      Sorry.
      I should not be so light-hearted about situations where people died.

    • @meadahagain
      @meadahagain 8 місяців тому +3

      @@wilsjaneand that’s the problem I see in the comment section of a lot of these type of videos. A pilot is required to go under arduous testing and training for a reason. Unless the fault is that of a mechanic or air control personnel, I feel as though you can criticize a bad decision made by the pilot to your heart’s content. I don’t care how much stress they were under before the crash, you are literally trained for this.

    • @wilsjane
      @wilsjane 8 місяців тому +3

      @@meadahagainThe problem I often see, is the pilots working like parrots and having little understanding of what the controls are actually doing.
      The more automation that is added, the worse this is becoming. We have pilots today who would struggle to fly without automation.
      A friend of ours is the retired chief pilot of a major international airline. Both she and her successors insisted on regular manual flying. In this situation, the automation becomes the backup and if they need to use it, the realise that their skills are lacking.
      They are the only major airline who have managed 55 years without a crash or incident resulting in injury.
      Can you name the airline, it's the one that you never see in any of these videos, LOL

    • @brandmotivo
      @brandmotivo 7 місяців тому

      @@wilsjane Qantas?

  • @todd5082
    @todd5082 Рік тому +62

    On that 2nd crash I lost track of how many mistakes the pilots made.

  • @margeebechyne8642
    @margeebechyne8642 Рік тому +143

    The air traffic controller in the first case should NOT have been cleared. He made assumptions, didn't truly listen to what the pilots were saying, and these two pilots trusted his judgement. RIP 180 souls. The second was 100% pilots' errors - many errors. Wow. I'm amazed young Bahia Bakari survived, may God bless her. RIP 152 souls. Thank you for another great presentation.

    • @emiliaxx1668
      @emiliaxx1668 Рік тому +24

      Yes! I'm so surprised to hear he was cleared of all charges when he initially made an assumption how the pilots were flying. Should have asked instead.

    • @W8RIT1
      @W8RIT1 Рік тому +4

      Agreed, I'm no expert, but you would have thought that the ATC controller would have had a much closer eye (radar, ADS-B) of the flight path. Hell...he had ONE job to do. Again, I'm not an expert, but from what I've watched on flight tracking sites, my Monday morning QB'ing doesn't seem like it is all that hard. In fact, more mundane and repeated over and over. I can get the gist by listening to radio communications at a major airport vicinity and flight tracking sites, or just receive my own ADS-B...ACARS or HFDL can be a tool as well.

    • @user-rj4vr2sc2d
      @user-rj4vr2sc2d Рік тому +7

      That's not how it works though. The pilots are the ones in the sky, and they hold the ultimate responsibility in keeping the plane safe. It is their job to override the controller if they are instructed to do something unsafe.
      If you're driving a car and the GPS tells you to drive off a cliff, and you do it, is the GPS at fault?

    • @W8RIT1
      @W8RIT1 Рік тому +6

      @@user-rj4vr2sc2d If they were instructed to do something that they knew was unsafe, they wouldn't "override" the ATC controller, they would raise a dispute over the instruction. No, ATC, I am unable to descend to that altitude due to _______. That's not how it works tho....

    • @TillyOrifice
      @TillyOrifice Рік тому

      @@user-rj4vr2sc2d Erm, I think I'd sack my GPS if it did that..

  • @darylhope641
    @darylhope641 11 місяців тому +29

    The incompetence of the pilots on the second one is literally astounding.

  • @gusmc01
    @gusmc01 Рік тому +227

    The aircraft tried to save them, but they were determined to fly it into the ocean.

    • @ThomasthetankengineE2
      @ThomasthetankengineE2 10 місяців тому +4

      Yeah. For once, the A/P and the computer systems are on the good side

    • @TheRuben_music
      @TheRuben_music 9 місяців тому

      Well they didnt crash into the ocean. But nice try

    • @TheRuben_music
      @TheRuben_music 9 місяців тому

      For once? 50 millions flight last year were on the good side@@ThomasthetankengineE2

    • @jstring
      @jstring 9 місяців тому +4

      @@TheRuben_musicum. Yea they did. They were in a nose up stall and slammed into the ocean killing everyone aboard except a 13 year old girl. Did you not watch the second part???

    • @TheRuben_music
      @TheRuben_music 9 місяців тому

      I commented clearly before I realized there were more stories in the video than the first one.@@jstring

  • @yerunski
    @yerunski Рік тому +87

    In the real audio of the last flight in the video, there is a noticeable silence from both pilots.. they were barely communicating. Shocking.

    • @AlexandreG
      @AlexandreG 8 місяців тому +5

      They just wanted to go in style, and take a bunch of innocents with them. Cowards

    • @winterhaydn
      @winterhaydn 7 місяців тому +4

      @@AlexandreG - Augh. There's no evidence of that.

    • @AlexandreG
      @AlexandreG 7 місяців тому +2

      @winterhaydn my bad for claiming stuff that 10 people will read on the internet without enough evidence, I really should think next time before claiming such things about some suspicious pieces of shit who just crashed a perfectly calm land approach out of the blue with hundreds of people in the plane, thank you

    • @dudemanismadcool
      @dudemanismadcool 3 місяці тому

      @@AlexandreG Yeah. So many of these air disaster stories are blatant cover-ups I reckon. Lot's of bombs and pilot murder/suicides passed off as malfunctions or pilot error I reckon

  • @radudeATL
    @radudeATL Рік тому +23

    I don’t even understand how that last flight went so wrong. Baffling incompetence.

  • @Keys879
    @Keys879 11 місяців тому +8

    I am so thankful, as a pilot, for modern avionics and navigation equipment. Things like this are almost entirely a 'thing of the past' with the access to so much information.

  • @CBU-j2v
    @CBU-j2v Рік тому +9

    That level of incompetence is astounding.

  • @aaaaaaaa-rn5kl
    @aaaaaaaa-rn5kl 11 місяців тому +35

    I was so sure that the second one wouldn't have any survivors. The fact that she survived is a miracle.

    • @matthewdavis4406
      @matthewdavis4406 11 місяців тому +3

      Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable

    • @Memoriesinseconds
      @Memoriesinseconds 11 місяців тому +1

      And she says there was a bomb in the plane

  • @ronaryel6445
    @ronaryel6445 Рік тому +97

    First incident in 1981: The pilots were flying a route that was new to them. They obviously did not study terrain charts before departing, and had no clue they were flying toward a mountain. This is inexcusable. They entered a holding pattern at the wrong speed, which means their execution of that holding pattern was incorrect and led them toward the mountain. Again, inexcusable. It was their responsibility to understand the correct speed required of that pattern. If the air traffic controller had access to radar that could tell him where the airliner was, he could have told the pilots in plenty of time that they were in the wrong place. Instead, both he and the pilots made all kinds of assumptions. Had the pilots told him "We have never been here before," maybe he could have been more helpful. The investigation cleared the controllers, but I think their asking the pilots for the airliner's position would have prevented the crash. Second incident (Yemen): Did this flight crew learn how to fly an airplane? Suppose they had shut off all the automatic functions. Could the Captain have manually flown the plane to a safe landing? One girl won the lottery - she lived to tell about it. It's sad that every other passenger and the flight attendants had to die for this crew's gross stupidity.

    • @thebeasters
      @thebeasters Рік тому +7

      The controllers should of recognized by the questions, the altitude and speed and what *they were actually supposed to do" that something didn't make sense.
      Both made mistakes but the altitude alone was a huge sign

    • @cs77smith67
      @cs77smith67 11 місяців тому

      ​@user-tz1zo6nu3nwhere did you hear about her full story?
      Link 🖇️

    • @micheleh5269
      @micheleh5269 11 місяців тому

      How was speed the problem in the first crash? It was altitude. They hit the mountain. They didn't stall

    • @ronaryel6445
      @ronaryel6445 11 місяців тому +3

      @@micheleh5269 The incorrect speed was the cause of an incorrect turn radius, which directly led to hitting the mountain. Lower speed (still above stall) = ability to turn tighter. Higher speed means a wider turn. Simply put, the aircraft ended up in the wrong place because of that.

    • @fayelitzinger9824
      @fayelitzinger9824 6 місяців тому

      @user-tz1zo6nu3n when I was a kid I used to think that if I jumped on an airplane it would crash. like I was 100% convinced if anyone jumped we would immediately go down.

  • @tomoakhill8825
    @tomoakhill8825 Рік тому +11

    What I like most about this channel, and why a support it, is the textual commentary. The experiments with voice narration fail with me. But the wonderful, detailed, well written, text is an example of the best in film making.

    • @krashd
      @krashd Рік тому

      That last sentence makes me think you are a bot, but then a bot would not know about his voice experiments. That last sentence could only have been written by a bot though, or someone who has never seen written English before in their lives...

  • @user-bv6gs4qw9k
    @user-bv6gs4qw9k Рік тому +52

    Great production quality, especially since you seem to be a one man crew? I don't know how it works but since you don't voice-over and seem to do the editing yourself, learning of the technicalities of each incident, recreating it in the sim and digesting the info and presenting it to a laymen audience, the effort seems immense.

    • @ashleypg1708
      @ashleypg1708 Рік тому +9

      I've been watching TFC for years-- it really is an amazing channel.

    • @vampiresforesl
      @vampiresforesl 11 місяців тому

      The text is sometimes taken from Wikipedia on this channel.

    • @Highland_Moo
      @Highland_Moo 9 місяців тому

      All the info on these incidents is available on Wikipedia - most of what he has displayed on screen has been copied and pasted directly from Wiki. Even the very start of each upload has the exact opening of Mayday/Air Crash Investigation tv show…..the part about recreation made from testimonies of those involved and the crash reports etc. This channel recreates the events using flight simulation software and he does that well, but the info that goes up on screen is copied. Still, it’s a good channel and involves a lot of work. Makes it easy to imagine what happened rather than just reading a hard copy of the investigation report.

  • @High-Alpha
    @High-Alpha Рік тому +18

    One glaring thing I noticed about the second case was that there was no communication between the pilots. I never heard a single word spoken on the CVR. Only aural warnings. What were they doing up there?

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Рік тому +2

      We are all asking the same question.

    • @aeomaster32
      @aeomaster32 Рік тому +9

      Yes, the co pilot would have quietly watched them fly into the sea as the altimeter reduced to zero.

  • @christina5kids16grands
    @christina5kids16grands 11 місяців тому +9

    I've looked everywhere to find Bahai Bakari's book "Moi Bahia, la Miraculée" in english, but I don't see any translated editions. If anyone knows how I can get my hands on that book in english, please lmk. What an incredible story - 12 years old, stayed in the water with a broken collarbone and pelvis for 13 hours overnight until she was finally rescued! Incredible story of a young lady with a strong will to survive...even knowing her mother was no longer alive. This is one hell of a story.

    • @DeepestQuotesAnd
      @DeepestQuotesAnd 9 місяців тому +2

      Get it in digital version in French then copy paste each paragraph in a translator online. ✌️

  • @Llanovanya85
    @Llanovanya85 Рік тому +169

    Having watched about 300 accident case studies like these until now, I can positively conclude that 95% of all disasters could've been avoided if the pilot would be forced to look at his friggin artificial horizon at least once in a while...
    All these elaborate explanations, explaining somatographic illusions blah blah blah are just describing the symptoms, not the cause. The cause is that pilots over the last 50 years somehow fail to check the single most crucial instrument right in front of their faces.

    • @ClearedAsFiled
      @ClearedAsFiled Рік тому +2

      You are soooooo right...!!

    • @szwolinski4587
      @szwolinski4587 Рік тому +24

      The aviation industry as a whole, instructor pilots, and instrument qualified pilots all know and acknowledge what you are saying. However, until you have experienced 'vertigo' while in the 'goo' at low altitude doing 150 knots, you have no idea how difficult it is to overcome millions of years of evolution developed 'balance.' Needless to say there are hundreds or thousands of cases where the pilots did overcome this difficulty by using their instruments. We only read or hear about the ones that didn't.

    • @aeomaster32
      @aeomaster32 Рік тому +11

      The essence of instrument flying is to learn NOT to rely on your feelings but on the instruments. Always remember the basics; knowing the attitude (artificial horizon attitude indicator) and power at all times. A level attitude and cruise thrust are where you reset to when confusion reigns.

    • @esecallum
      @esecallum Рік тому +5

      It is hidden out of sight. just like airspeed and height. cockpit designs are terrible nowadays with so much crap obscuring vital indicators

    • @pikestance4219
      @pikestance4219 Рік тому

      I har what you are saying, but they are examples of instrument failures, and the pilot used his instruments to their deaths.

  • @duanebidoux6087
    @duanebidoux6087 Рік тому +37

    As always, awesome production values. The second clip, however, left me wanting a LOT MORE from the video. No history on pilots, and a clearer (if any) understanding of the investigation and the parties involved was very much missed. If that was "real audio" I'm thinking to myself that I have not heard a single word spoken between the pilots the entire time under a barage of circumstances that should have demanded constant verbal communications between the two. I found myself thinking after a bit "are these guys high, or what?" I'm going to have to go find other stuff on this accident. Your videos are great generally--more info on the second accident would have been great.

    • @flybywire5866
      @flybywire5866 Рік тому +7

      In the second clip, ATC sounded drunk, or at least had serious difficulties articulating. I´m not sure the pilots were ok, either. Very strange. As you wrote, more information would be nice. Rather one event per video than two abbreviated ones.

    • @duanebidoux6087
      @duanebidoux6087 Рік тому

      Well, I remember the ATC guy was really slow but he seemed clear. But, it was just one thing after another with those guys. I gotta find out more@@flybywire5866

    • @dieheiligenhallen5184
      @dieheiligenhallen5184 Рік тому +10

      I can recommend Mentour Pilot for great detailed insight in such kind of accidents.....Flight Channel is awesome too...

    • @mo1test
      @mo1test Рік тому +1

      @@flybywire5866 maybe some low oxygen level? they were low so should not be an issue but they seem intoxicated

    • @Jump-2-the-moon
      @Jump-2-the-moon Рік тому

      Completely agreed!

  • @johnwinkler5361
    @johnwinkler5361 10 місяців тому +4

    What is not said in the video is that the circling approach on runway 20 in Moroni is particularly challenging. There is actually a hill (not shown here) near the 20 final. You can’t just extend even a bit the downwind leg, you have to be fairly close and the final is necessarily short. You are stabilized on final only at around 300 ft. There are lights which must be operating at night to provide some guidance. This is way over the level of competency of those pilots, who couldn’t even control even a basic flight path at night, like making a turn without descending, according to this video.

    • @lizardfirefighter110
      @lizardfirefighter110 5 місяців тому

      Always, when you make a turn always keep an eye on the altimeter. Basic shit😳

  • @eshelly4205
    @eshelly4205 Рік тому +23

    In the 80s we had a horrific approach into Preswick Scotland aboard a British midland aircraft. Looking out the side window you couldn’t see the wingtip. The turbulence was so severe that the over head bins opened up. I was a young Marine and I was with a Corporal from our unit. At first we were laughing but then our wing tip dipped and kept dipping. I looked over at the flight attendant and she was petrified. The plane leveled out and everyone was screaming. I honestly thought I was going to die. The turbulence was even worse and the engines were screaming. I looked out of the window and saw green but no runway. We slammed into the runway and the grass. We shuddered went airborne and slammed back down. Slid sideways and then straightened out. As we taxied to the gate the pilot said in his Scottish accent. “Thank you for flying British Midland airlines. We hope you enjoy your time in Preswick or other Scottish adventures” As I was leaving the plane I asked the flight attendant for her number, what is the worst that could happen after that. We dated for a year after that…

    • @Jimbo-qd5zz
      @Jimbo-qd5zz 11 місяців тому +2

      good work

    • @eshelly4205
      @eshelly4205 11 місяців тому

      @@Jimbo-qd5zz ?

    • @jameshardy6277
      @jameshardy6277 11 місяців тому

      Hoofing dit Royal.

    • @eshelly4205
      @eshelly4205 11 місяців тому +1

      @@jameshardy6277 WTF are you saying?

    • @jameshardy6277
      @jameshardy6277 11 місяців тому

      If you don't know what 'hoofing dit Royal' means then no way were you in the Corps.
      @@eshelly4205

  • @danesen
    @danesen Рік тому +5

    Very good animations and visual effects. Thank you for highlighting this disaster for all to understand.

  • @jaguar3248
    @jaguar3248 Рік тому +10

    The second one is sadly not the first time an airliner has crashed because of the crews inability to fly a visual circuit in the dark. Gulf Air lost an A320 in 2000 after a go around ended up with a botched circuit and a crash on finals. Worse still Gulf Air did there level best to blame the aircraft and not the crew even after the CVR was released and proved the crew ignored multiple "pull up" calls, along with being all over the place when it came to height, speed, and headings.

  • @thebeasters
    @thebeasters Рік тому +7

    Cleared of all charges is ridiculous

  • @machone1672
    @machone1672 Рік тому +15

    The second crew totally lacked situation awareness and seemed to have little understanding of proper aircraft control/flight dynamics. Never should have been in a cockpit.

    • @kevinmalone3210
      @kevinmalone3210 Рік тому +3

      Yep, and because they were allowed to become pilot's, they killed all those passengers and the flight crew.

    • @ronjones-6977
      @ronjones-6977 Рік тому +2

      Just like the TNFlygirl that crashed recently. If you don't understand the basic mechanics of HOW an airplane is able to fly, you're gonna do something stupid eventually.

  • @british.scorpion
    @british.scorpion Рік тому +14

    Amazing the youngster, Bahia, survived after clinging to wreckage for thirteen hours. God blessed her.

    • @RoamingHeathen
      @RoamingHeathen 11 місяців тому +5

      So God chose to bless her and let everyone else die?

    • @british.scorpion
      @british.scorpion 11 місяців тому +1

      @@RoamingHeathen Yes, obviously.

    • @jamespenny9482
      @jamespenny9482 11 місяців тому +1

      @@RoamingHeathen Proud to be a heathen, right? Bruh, you need to humble yourself, creation didn't create itself! Read the Bible for yourself, I guarantee it will surprise you.

    • @flyguyry1
      @flyguyry1 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@jamespenny9482 😂😂😂 telling other ppl to humble themselves while ar same time belittling them. Classic christianity. If "creation" needs a creator, that means the creator needs a creator too. Also by letting all those ppl die for no reason, and keeping her alive to live with trauma, is no present. Suffering is many times worse than death.

    • @LifebyDesign
      @LifebyDesign 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@jamespenny9482clearly you haven't read the Bible or the insurmountable number of contradictions and errors would surprise you.

  • @GARYBRUNDAGEMUSIC
    @GARYBRUNDAGEMUSIC 11 місяців тому +4

    There was a young 12 year old girl who survived the second crash- the sole survivor. Her name is Bahia Bakari and she released a memoir in 2010 including her experience. She was approached by Steven Spielberg to make a movie out of what happened, but she reportedly declined him.

    • @George-xb5ey
      @George-xb5ey 11 місяців тому

      Spielberg is on the Epstein list ofcourse he approached a 12 year old girl

  • @pachhhanel
    @pachhhanel Рік тому +7

    If you could do the 1988 YAK-40 crash in Bulgaria, because of being pressured by the communist leader Todor Zhivkov back then, who was in a rush, the plane (YAK-40) took off earlier and crashed, then his Tu-154 plane was taxiying over its debris and had its uneventful flight.Sofia-Varna flight 2nd of August 1988. All Bulgarian plane crashes fall into mystery, we do not have a single one uncovered. So would really appreciate a video about if not this one, any other Bulgarian related.

  • @rnsteve2265
    @rnsteve2265 Рік тому +22

    Absolutely terrifying.

    • @mortenrahm
      @mortenrahm Рік тому +2

      poor girl

    • @jaimhaas5170
      @jaimhaas5170 Рік тому +4

      Even worse if you were on board.

    • @rnsteve2265
      @rnsteve2265 Рік тому

      @SteviPantyhose-mt5lm Do you like pantyhose?

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому

      ​@@jaimhaas5170No shit

  • @kevinmalone3210
    @kevinmalone3210 Рік тому +8

    Where did the crew of the 2nd airliner get their pilot's liscense?

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 Рік тому +5

      They probably bought them.

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому

      ​@@sarahalbers5555😂

  • @MegaSunspark
    @MegaSunspark Рік тому +7

    Complacency and blind routine-following on the part of the controller here killed those people in the first crash.

  • @aeomaster32
    @aeomaster32 Рік тому +5

    Well presented video concentrating on the essentials needed to see what occurred. Because visual circling approaches require manual memory muscle flying skills, automation can't be used to help these poorly trained pilots. I have done many 600 foot circling night approaches in the mountains, and made sure that one set of eyes remained in the cockpit to monitor speed and altitude. A sad and unnecessary a tragedy.

  • @Mach7RadioIntercepts
    @Mach7RadioIntercepts Рік тому +8

    Who TF taught that second crew how to fly an airplaane?? Damn! Or how to fly a circling approach?? Damn!

  • @jackwebb3757
    @jackwebb3757 Рік тому +5

    My favourite channel on UA-cam

  • @knrdvmmlbkkn
    @knrdvmmlbkkn 11 місяців тому +1

    05:57 06:09 Thanks for the big white arrow. I couldn't possibly have noticed the plane without it.

  • @terrybrennan4978
    @terrybrennan4978 Рік тому +5

    Nice job as usual. 👍👍 Crazy how inept these pilots were in both cases.

  • @adotintheshark4848
    @adotintheshark4848 Рік тому +8

    In the first crash, why have that holding pattern over land at all? They could've done the same thing over water and then line up their approach.

    • @kevinmalone3210
      @kevinmalone3210 Рік тому +3

      It's because if there are other aircraft about to land ahead of them, so they have to fly into a holding pattern. If there's no aircraft in the pattern, then ATC could've told them to fly the shortest route. ATC in this case were incompetent, as were the pilots.

    • @adotintheshark4848
      @adotintheshark4848 Рік тому

      but it wasn't a busy airport, and all that area they have over water...
      @@kevinmalone3210

    • @krashd
      @krashd Рік тому +3

      Pause at 3:54 To get from the VOR to an over water holding pattern a plane would have to fly directly through the approach path for the airport, much safer to keep aircraft on the "same side of the road" as the VOR rather than sending them through what is likely a busy corridor in the summer holiday season.

    • @creolespanish34
      @creolespanish34 5 місяців тому +1

      They actually changed it after this accident, now it's drawn over the sea. They also installed a radar, which the airport didn't have at that point, and banned alternative words to 'landing' in communications when the intention is initiating landing procedures

  • @hachimaru295
    @hachimaru295 Рік тому +9

    second one feels like ,High work load and flying on instruments to a third world airport by a crew quickly out if their depth

    • @flyguyry1
      @flyguyry1 11 місяців тому

      3rd world airport?? Just bc they have an accent? Pilots were the idiots

    • @hachimaru295
      @hachimaru295 11 місяців тому

      @@flyguyry1 only you mentioned their accents

  • @naknaksdadn572
    @naknaksdadn572 Рік тому +15

    WTH, the captain had no clue as to the elevation of the terrain around him and the controller had no idea where the aircraft was and sent it straight into the mountains!!! My gosh, nobody knew what the hell was going on!

    • @danielkokal8819
      @danielkokal8819 Рік тому +2

      they waited 9 sec while the plane was screaming Terrain !.... I'd be on that yoke
      and throttle in a heartbeat regardless of anything else. you can get your bearings
      later.

    • @pomerau
      @pomerau Рік тому

      @@danielkokal8819 His brain was trying to process what he was not expecting to see. Pilot instinct left him and he could only react after he could work out why. My guess, is all; but shouldn't training throw these instant curve ball at pilots?

    • @justinschexnayder8485
      @justinschexnayder8485 10 місяців тому

      3-5% of people in every occupation are going to be terrible at their job

  • @majbach1968
    @majbach1968 Рік тому +8

    I enjoy your videos. I had to 'rewind' the second incident a few times b/c what I was seeing and what I was reading were two different things. If the overhead view of the approach been aligned with magnetic north or at least a "N" symbol on the map, it would have been easier to follow.

  • @jenniferayers5354
    @jenniferayers5354 10 місяців тому +1

    60% of the air crashes I see on ALL of these channels are caused by the planes' onboard computers. The computers are programmed with instruction sets and algorithms based on past experiences so in NEW situations they are not informed and the pilots are left to battle with not only conflicting data but the AIs themselves. How many times do you see a pilot trying to descend but the computer either tells them to ascend or in many cases, fly-by-wire, fights with the pilot's inputs to the craft and what needs to be done in the given circumstance?
    As a for-instance in this video look at 16:25. Auto-pilot had already been disengaged by the pilots so that the pilots could maneuver the craft in a way they felt could resolve the situation but the AFP took control and drove them all to their deaths. In my humble opinion the pilots actually made the right choices based on their own flying capabilities and immediate plan to resolve the issue but an onboard computer algorithm took over and disrupted their plan throwing them into the catastrophic event chain that followed. At 17:01 the stick shaker then activates. What is the force of the stick shaker to responsiveness of a forward push response for downward action? Does this intense jarring not further rattle the already stressed individuals attempting to bring a craft under control? 17:22: proof that the computer put the aircraft into roll based on its algorithmic approach and ability to control the aircraft when it shouldn't have. 17:41: "Real Audio" is used from the cockpit and NO ONE is saying a word. This is because the pilots have put their full trust in the systems they were told were designed to NOT let something like this happen so they are in utter disbelief that it is actually happening. No one screams, no one shouts out to the other to make a move on their end to help (co-pilot, flight engineer). In a split second they all realize they have been overtaken by the fact that they are not actually in charge of the aircraft itself and are actually powerless to stop it. The verbiage used by investigatory agencies and parroted in these presentations typically lays blame on the pilots but they did not in fact have full control over the aircraft and the sequence of events that followed or ultimately led up to the demise.
    This is now becoming common with the computer-aided cars and trucks on the road.
    Folks, we are not at a place in time where a true AI exists so that you can just kick your feet back and let the computer do the work while you collect a paycheck or get from point A to B. Plus, doesn't it take the fun out of life anyway to let some coded pile of junk do your job and joy for you? What's next, the computer eats, sleeps, talks and has sex for you too? Wait...
    Another point pre-comments. I know everyone likes to blame human error in these instances but like I already stated, who programs the AIs? A system is only as intelligent as its programmers so in ALL circumstances human error IS the culprit. It is human error to go cheap on air traffic controllers working a given area at a given time. It is human error for an air traffic controller to be overworked and not push back. It is human error that goes into programming AIs while not allowing for pilot redress at crucial moments. It is human error to go cheap on sensors on the aircraft so that they become compromised often so that the onboard AI cannot calculate properly, it is human error to trust the airline industry AT ALL anymore based on their obvious lack of concern over the safety of people over more profits than anyone should make in a lifetime and you can't take it with you.
    One final note. My husband and I have developed a new type of compute architecture that resolves many if not all of these problems and it also applies across the board to any and all other compute-related industries right down to the consumer level but nobody wants to be involved or see it come to fruition. This tells us that they don't want the solution, only the problems. That says to us unequivocally that these incidences are not so much accidents as they are by design. That means they are human sacrifices used to continue a control structure by chaos. Ordo ab chao. Cheers!

  • @SRussell-se8if
    @SRussell-se8if Рік тому +4

    In the first accident, does air traffic control not have access to radar and actually see planes? I always thought that was the case instead of strictly relying on verbal communication for determining location and headings.

    • @13rdp
      @13rdp Рік тому +1

      There was no radar in AJo in those years.

  • @thestimp1
    @thestimp1 Рік тому +13

    how hard is it to monitor your 2 basic instruments, speed and altitude. "all this equipment to monitor" speed and altitude tells you 80% of what you are doing.

    • @krashd
      @krashd Рік тому

      You mean the speed and altitude instruments that were registering -1000ft and -1000kph at times?

  • @darkfox2076
    @darkfox2076 Рік тому +8

    Great video as always. Really enjoyed this one

    • @JSFGuy
      @JSFGuy Рік тому +1

      It just started, you haven't even watched it yet how is it great? Maybe you should watch it first.

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@JSFGuyLegend has it that he still hasn't watched the video yet

  • @amyjohnston7250
    @amyjohnston7250 Рік тому +2

    Does anyone know the name of the musical piece that starts at 7:12 minutes? It’s in a lot of TFC’s videos, but I can never find the name of it. Thanks to anyone who can help, and thanks to TFC for another great video!

  • @dx1450
    @dx1450 Рік тому +5

    Setting the autopilot altitude to 0 is never a good idea unless you want to crash...

  • @travelwithtony5767
    @travelwithtony5767 Рік тому +3

    So they didn’t have radar installed to follow the flight path and altitude of the inbound aircraft?
    How is it possible they didn’t detect it?

  • @georgemalley6414
    @georgemalley6414 Рік тому +7

    Why do pilots ignore warnings? The system is yelling Pull Up Pull Up Terrain Terrain yet the pilot continues flying as if it's the turn signal of a car in North Carolina that never turns off.

  • @helenphillips4204
    @helenphillips4204 10 місяців тому

    I remember seeing pictures of the wreckage of this inex Adria plane on the side of a mountain. Apparently,the bits were left there for years,and there was a clean up in 2008,with a memorial plaque being placed where the wing impacted the ground,(I think).
    The pictures were very sad to look at xx

  • @teddyjackson1902
    @teddyjackson1902 Рік тому +6

    Imagine seeing that jet flying a hundred feet above the surface of the sea with its landing gear out.

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому

      I would've been like wtf

    • @wisdaniel
      @wisdaniel 7 місяців тому

      I I were in a boat I'd a had a heart attack.

  • @danieldenis676
    @danieldenis676 Рік тому +1

    The approach described at 02:00 is for runway 03 and not for runway 21....

  • @nenblom
    @nenblom 9 місяців тому

    These accidents show how incredibly important good, clear communication between the two pilots and the pilots and ATC is. No radar? RIP ❤❤

  • @blitzcraig26
    @blitzcraig26 Рік тому +8

    Great reproduction as always.
    I wonder though how the flight lost altitude every time it turned, first -2000 and then -1000 Ft.PM. Could it be due to the tail wind?

    • @majbach1968
      @majbach1968 Рік тому +14

      Because the pilots were flying manually and not paying attention to the altimeter. I cannot comprehend how anyone can fly an a/c and not look at the altimeter and ASI constantly.

    • @hockeyguy820
      @hockeyguy820 Рік тому +3

      Wind direction does NOT affect an airplane aerodynamically while it is flying thousands of feet high. Wind direction is relative to the ground so it affects groundspeed, never airspeed (except for random turbulence and wind shear which were not in play here).

    • @kevinmalone3210
      @kevinmalone3210 Рік тому +3

      They weren't monitoring their airspeed. They simply failed to fly the aircraft properly.

    • @majbach1968
      @majbach1968 Рік тому +1

      @@kevinmalone3210 Actually, they were monitoring their airspeed (likely) when they sank. Looking at the simulation and CVR, their airspeed remained constant and there never were any alarms. Planes descend when they are not achieving enough thrust, not when their airspeed gets too low.

  • @SRPM-yk9xw
    @SRPM-yk9xw Рік тому +6

    It seems rather daft that 0ft is a legitimate option on Altitude Select.

    • @jeSuperfly
      @jeSuperfly Рік тому +2

      Kinda like the burn it to heck setting on toasters

    • @skullsaintdead
      @skullsaintdead Рік тому +1

      At least give them an aural warning/red light illumination or something, it's a dial too so I could imagine you setting a low alt then moving your hand away and accidentally lowering it further. Odd, possibly dangerous...

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      It should have been set to go-around altitude for that runway.

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      But to answer your question directly, there are airports which are situated below sea level, so even a negative value is a valid altitude.

  • @chrisnewson1560
    @chrisnewson1560 11 місяців тому +1

    Why does the alpha floor protection not put the plane in a stable climb configuration? If it occurs it is likely the pilots are already overloaded and behind the plane. Expecting a nose down input soon after a GPWS or pull up alarm is counterintuitive at the best of times - let alone when you cannot work out what is happening.

    • @OrangPasien
      @OrangPasien 10 місяців тому

      Their problem was poor training and lack of experience. Plenty of pilots fly these same airplanes everyday in worse situations than this and do so with skill and competence. Had the the airplane been built to assume a stable climb in all circumstances (i.e. fly itself) these two might have been able to handle it. But then they really wouldn’t be needed, would they?

  • @Kimian111
    @Kimian111 Рік тому +2

    So, if it weren't the first time using AJO VOR, the flight crew would not follow procedures with as much precision as possible????

  • @2puffs770
    @2puffs770 Рік тому +4

    I swear to pieces, if I am a pilot and I hear the words "PULL UP", I would probably OVER REACT to the command!
    Yesssirree, that command given for a reason!!!!🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Рік тому +1

      @@R_love45 If you are already too low there is not much chance of exiting a stall.

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      And that’s one thing you should NOT do - overreact. That’s what gets you into a stall.

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому

      Well thank fuck you're not a pilot 😅

  • @thegunnylingus4751
    @thegunnylingus4751 9 місяців тому +1

    Reports like this have cause me to stop flying no joke

  • @davidmccann9811
    @davidmccann9811 Рік тому +3

    I've watched this three times I still have no idea what this Yemenia crew were doing. Even when the aircraft was climbing vertically like a rocket and was about to stall, the PF still didn't think he should lower the nose incase he hit the sea. What the hell?

    • @Jamenator1
      @Jamenator1 Рік тому +2

      In real life, the plane was at most 30 degrees up, nowhere near vertical and much of the time it was only a little steeper than a typical climb attitude. This youtuber is notorious for getting the animations completely wrong in their videos. When the stall warning first sounded the plane was less than 20 degrees nose up, a completely normal attitude for that plane in a low level climb. The crew were focused on the lack of roll control, that's why they didn't recognise the nose was higher than it should have been

  • @martinkirugi254
    @martinkirugi254 Рік тому +5

    The second plane wasn't ready to crash but the pilots forced it to. Going down with innocent lives

  • @Johnnywhamo
    @Johnnywhamo 29 днів тому

    That poor little girl, oh man! She not only had to deal with the shock of the crash itself, but considering her age I would think she was probably travelling with family that is not only not there with her but will never be with her again …..THEN….she then spent the next 13 hours alone in the ocean holding on to a mear scrap of something. That is heartbreaking 😢

  • @buddhistsympathizer1136
    @buddhistsympathizer1136 Рік тому +7

    Great video - But I have no clue exactly what was happening with the second video. How did they continuously get so low to the ground?
    (I think stress lead to the ulitimate loss of control of the plane).

    • @skayt35
      @skayt35 Рік тому +1

      If you're hand-flying and your reaction to getting too low is to pitch up, repeatedly, and never increase thrust, plane will ultimately stall. At that point, with the pilots not even reacting to stick shaker, the plane set thrust to TOGA on its own, but then pilots' only reaction: pitch up. The pilots were severely out of order.

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      They continuously got too low because they failed to execute a basic maneuver - holding a Rate 1 turn while maintaining altitude. When you execute a turn, you must monitor your altitude and/or vertical speed. If the aircraft is losing altitude, proper pitch correction is due. PF was not doing that, he attempted several turns and lost all the altitude resulting in GWPS warnings. I don’t understand the altitude setting of 0… You are handflying… your altitude setting should be changed to the go-around altitude published for every runway in the charts.

  • @geoffrey_goodman
    @geoffrey_goodman Рік тому +1

    great video! what sim and plane did you use for Flight 1308?

  • @TheJoe971
    @TheJoe971 7 місяців тому

    I swear even if it's only animation, watching the plane plummets to the sea still creeps tf out of me. The girl who survived... I can only imagine how it felt to be a 100 tons tube free falling.

  • @AnahiRumak
    @AnahiRumak Рік тому +7

    What happened to the single story, unique, aircrash videos?

  • @trevorhuppert7107
    @trevorhuppert7107 Рік тому +2

    so in the first one would ATC not see them on the radar and then relize that they are in the holding pattern?

    • @krashd
      @krashd Рік тому

      Nope, they didn't have radar in 1981, probably don't have radar today, it's a tiny little place.

  • @llYossarian
    @llYossarian Рік тому +1

    17:47 - Is that final angle and speed even remotely accurate? How _on Earth_ could there be a survivor from an impact like that?

  • @nicoledrury9337
    @nicoledrury9337 Рік тому

    The first one seems very similar to TWA 514 in 1974. Instructed to descend too low, bad weather and poor visibility. They also couldn't see the mountain

  • @michaelrichter8766
    @michaelrichter8766 Рік тому

    What was the MDA on the circling approach plate chart?? Did they fly it? I guess not.

  • @barbied.5932
    @barbied.5932 Рік тому

    That was intense ! Thanx for sharing !

  • @peterdevreter
    @peterdevreter 10 місяців тому +1

    That poor airbus in the second crash did everything it could to compensate for the terrible actions of the pilots. My god.

  • @asteverino8569
    @asteverino8569 Рік тому +1

    I am wondering about ground radar ???
    Seems the tower couldn't see where the planes were.

  • @jamespenny9482
    @jamespenny9482 11 місяців тому

    Thank you for not using ALL CAPS in the text. It's much easier to read lowercase!

  • @maxtornogood
    @maxtornogood Рік тому +3

    I'm surprised anyone survived an airplane nosediving into water!

    • @krashd
      @krashd Рік тому +1

      At such a low altitude and speed it likely didn't hit the water as hard as an aircraft nosediving from many thousands of feet.

    • @Jamenator1
      @Jamenator1 Рік тому +2

      In the actual crash, it never nosedived, it impacted the water in a nose up attitude with low speed. The animation is grossly incorrect.

  • @elijahsackville-glucksburg
    @elijahsackville-glucksburg Рік тому +1

    I'm not an aviation expert and I watch these videos for leisure in addition to educating myself on the complexity of the aviation industry (I also get help from a lot of the people in the comments section who works and used to work in the aviation industry) but in the first video, I don't think the blame should be placed on the pilots ENTIRELY because firtsly, the ATC officer started the chain of events leading to the disaster, did he not? Well, the crew did commit grave mistakes on their part but the ATC officer did worse I think and they committed the FIRST mistake here and the fact that they were cleared of all charges is beyond me. If I'm mistaken or missing something here, somebody explain it to me, thank you.

    • @bignades1
      @bignades1 Рік тому +1

      If you’ve looked at a lot of accidents, you’ve probably noticed in almost all cases, “blame” is not a good word to use, as accidents are usually a chain of mistakes(though for the second crash in the video is a rare case of pure pilot fuckup). In every day flying, people make mistakes all the time, and nothing happens. Rarely do several mistakes line up so perfectly to cause a crash. You could argue if any of those mistakes didn’t happen, crash wouldn’t have happened. You can’t necessarily blame the first mistake, especially if it wasn’t a severe one. The real question is, how can procedures/systems/training be changed to make this chain of events close impossible. In some rare cases, it’s also ok to declare something an unpreventable freak accident. World is chaotic and crazy shit happens for no reason all the time

  • @gama1123
    @gama1123 Рік тому +5

    In memory of no one...

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Рік тому +1

      That was a very unfortunate omission, not even the (2) seconds that we normally get.

  • @philippeattackman763
    @philippeattackman763 Рік тому +4

    " circle to Land " is a killer 😢😢

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      Only if you fail to aviate.

  • @adrianbooth438
    @adrianbooth438 Рік тому +1

    Second video - did they mean to turn North (0 degrees) as part of their approach, but misselected 0 altitude instead?

  • @chacmool2581
    @chacmool2581 Рік тому +2

    I don't understand the pilots on that second flight. It is obvious in several instances that things are amiss. Why not abort the landing, climb and reassess?

  • @BtcSimmer
    @BtcSimmer Рік тому

    Love your videos thank you soo much!

  • @RickShortt
    @RickShortt 6 місяців тому

    It's like they weren't paying attention to the flight instruments. They became confused and stopped following their basic training.

  • @WWPlaysHoldem
    @WWPlaysHoldem Рік тому +2

    Visual approaches are only used if the pilot flying can visually see the runway. If he loses sight of it the approach should be abandoned and a missed approach initiated!

  • @GB-tc4hr
    @GB-tc4hr Рік тому

    how does he get the traffic to match the time era?
    For Example in the video about the Hughes Airwest cash and PSA 182

  • @cchris874
    @cchris874 Рік тому

    Why would this be a night approach at 8:53am ? (Inex Adria at Corsica)

  • @JanSmith-y5e
    @JanSmith-y5e 10 місяців тому

    Maybe a dumb question, but shouldn't ATC be confirming aircraft location with radar?

  • @someone3.2007
    @someone3.2007 Рік тому +7

    Bad situational awareness. It seemed like the pilots weren't even scared or paying attention when stalling

  • @Jim-nt7xy
    @Jim-nt7xy Рік тому +3

    Always be wary of what airline you select to fly.

    • @amirahal-wehbi
      @amirahal-wehbi 11 місяців тому

      I wish it were so simple...even the best airlines have accident records unfortunately...

    • @sbj97
      @sbj97 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@amirahal-wehbiFacts. You can never truly pick your poison

  • @tomislavmiletic_
    @tomislavmiletic_ Рік тому +3

    I remember that Ajaccio crash, it was a kinda two day trip if I remember correctly. And tickets where cheap, so the trip was sold out, the interest was that high, so much so, that officials did not know who actually boarded the plane, so for a next couple of days they played the list of all people who showed the interest in the trip on the television...

  • @brianlutz7813
    @brianlutz7813 11 місяців тому

    I simply cannot wrap my head around how the young girl survived with just bruises and a broken collarbone. It's like she magically teleported from the jet moments before impact and then reappeared a few minutes later clinging to wreckage in the open ocean. Only thing I can think of is that the plane wasn't going very fast when it hit the ocean.

  • @jobaecker9752
    @jobaecker9752 11 місяців тому

    In the second half, isn't there some kind of callout that says "Just get to level, stable flight for 3 minutes..."? They can sort out the details and try again later?

    • @jsmirnoff77
      @jsmirnoff77 11 місяців тому

      Yeah, it’s a decision to abandon an unstable approach and hold. But there was zero communication on that flight deck.

  • @mavericktruck6648
    @mavericktruck6648 10 місяців тому

    First one cleared atc...
    Lots of questions to ask. did they not have radar?

    • @OrangPasien
      @OrangPasien 10 місяців тому

      Yes, they did not. A small airport in 1981 couldn’t justify the expense of the equipment and operators.

  • @DarkAngel-dc3te
    @DarkAngel-dc3te Рік тому +1

    Great examples of human factors. There was nothing wrong with their aircraft or equipment

  • @jean-jacquesdelmar6987
    @jean-jacquesdelmar6987 Рік тому

    Nice job as usual !

  • @AviationBoy75
    @AviationBoy75 Рік тому

    what flight simulator did you use?

  • @kimmccabe1422
    @kimmccabe1422 Рік тому +2

    I think the plane worked harder to save lives than the pilots AND air controller! Always sad. Poor passengers 🙏

  • @joonsmelodie9927
    @joonsmelodie9927 Рік тому +3

    Re 2nd 🤡 Landing: I have zero experience/knowledge of piloting anything but an automobile so am I missing something when I ask how in the world does a crew member 'accidentally' input "0" for an altitude??? I believe there was an attempt at explanation but I didn't understand.
    ....otherwise I might be too frightened to ever fly again after seeing this lol.

    • @RatPfink66
      @RatPfink66 Рік тому +1

      "mishandling"...meaning somehow he twisted the dial all the way to zero without realizing it

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Рік тому +3

      You should be safe on domestic main line carriers. Otherwise you are taking a risk. The more obscure the air carrier and route, the greater the risk. Private carriers are worse yet.

    • @joonsmelodie9927
      @joonsmelodie9927 Рік тому

      @@deepthinker999 does that include the discount airline like Spirit and Frontier?

    • @joonsmelodie9927
      @joonsmelodie9927 Рік тому

      @@RatPfink66 exactly, that's what I'm asking, how does that happen? They're supposed to be professionals.

    • @deepthinker999
      @deepthinker999 Рік тому +1

      @@joonsmelodie9927 No - Spirit was caught applying duct tape (or something similar) to a wing. Discount means that corners are being cut to remain profitable. That is pretty much an axiom in business. The money that you save is not worth the risk in my opinion.

  • @jrzygurl
    @jrzygurl 9 місяців тому

    That's a long time with that plane going nose up and then down.. could you imagine the passengers.. oh my God😮

  • @carolinehoward180
    @carolinehoward180 Рік тому +1

    Totally harrowing 😩