Crashing Just Before Landing in West Virginia | TWO Football Tragedies
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In the Chapecoense accident, the pilot was the company's owner. The company had problems paying before refueling and was financially unstable. I believe the pilot was avoiding the MAY DAY to avoid the investigation that would certainly discover the nonstop in Bogotá and probably stop its flights.
From Australia. Very good point. I”m ex RAAF and once flew with a private pilot, who unknown to me at the time, skimped on fuel. In spite of the engine (Bonanza 36) cutting out for a very short time when h3 executed a turn onto vectors for Canberra at about 20 miles, over mountains, he refused to call a PAN or declare an emergency. When I leant over to check his fuel, it was almost stuck to E. I told him I would never fly with him again, and informed the owner of aircraft. Harsh, but he would have ended up killing someone.
He didn't want them to find out he ran out of fuel. He and the company would've been suspended, huge fines, they would have to file for bankruptcy and he would most likely lose his license.
@@David-d4k9kOutstanding attitude. It is that separates the men and the brats.
😢 noi italiani piangiamo ancora la magnifica squadra del Torino, che si schianto' contro la Basilica di Soperga il 4 maggio del 1949...quante giovani vite spezzate.
@@Nisie23 instead his arrogance lost his life and those of all the others
We are Marshall. Everyone in the Tri-state knows someone or a family affected. There were a lot of factors, the weather, steep terrain, the nearby and confusing lights of a refinery and lack of ILS. This flight went almost directly over my home a few miles away. Whenever I fly into HTS I think about this tragedy.
I remember as a young pilot being told a cautionary tale by a Marine major. A few years prior he and another lieutenant were transiting from Florida up the East Coast in a Huey. They were carrying an internal fuel bag so that they could fly non-stop. Whenever they reached a low fuel state they would turn on an electric pump to transfer fuel to the regular tanks. At one point he reached down to turn on the pump and found that it was already on, and he realized that they had forgot to turn it off the last time they refilled the tanks. Their extra fuel had been vented from the overflow vent. As luck would have it they weren't too far from an Air Force base so they contacted the tower and requested to land and have a fuel truck meet them at the end of the field. The tower asked if they were declaring emergency fuel to which he replied that they'd rather not. The tower allowed them to land and a fuel truck came out. However, one of the base safety officers also came out and had them fill out a refueling report. He and the other pilot spent months worrying and waiting for the report to come back to their command. It never did. His advice: Own up to your mistakes so that others can learn and to save yourself many sleepless nights.
On October 2, 1970, about six weeks prior to the Marshall University crash, 31 passengers - 14 of whom were Wichita State, football players - were killed in a similar airplane crash in Colorado. The cause of the crash was determined to be pilot error - controlled flight into terrain.
Thank you for remembering the Chapecoense tragedy, it was something very sad and hard for all the soccer fans on the southern side of the American continent, South America mourned that accident. Great recreation as always. Greetings from Argentina.
Football here we kick kick offs & field goals & extra points & punts with our feet
The second one really agitated me. Refusing to refuel when you know the plane has the bare minimum to approach your destination. What did they think was going to happen?!?!?
The flight would have to be abandoned at Bogota. The company had no credit for fuel at Bogota so would have been stranded. Unless someone on the plane had $30,000 in cash to pay for fuel on the spot. Its actually happened before a few times.
Right, why pay $30,000 when you can pay with your life instead? Sarcasm aside, it's a shame that money troubles are the root cause of so many preventable tragedies.
So to save money, they refused to refuel. Now we know why. The question
ryanlukkarinen2603 asked was "What did they think was going to happen?!?!?" @@jamesharris9816
"We are Marshall " is the movie to watch to see how the town/team recovered.
Thank you for the recommendation. I've already seen United (2011), the David Tennant film about the soccer/football team airplane crash, so this should also be interesting.
Some of us will never truly recover.
Great movie.
A great movie. In the scene where the new Marshall Coach played by (Matthew McConaughey) went to WVU for help in getting the program going again, the WVU Coach said get what ever you need, that Coach was none other than the legendary Bobby Bowden. I lived in Charleston and remember the accident well. West Virginia is a very close knit population, the accident impacted everyone.
Great movie. Tragic story.
If LaMía had declared Mayday for fuel upon entering Medellin airspace, I wonder if they would have lived.
Either way, you never gamble when the curb is 25,000+ meters down.
you never gamble with a fuel situation, period..there's a thing called the "golden hour rule", meaning you should always fly with and land with no less than one hour's worth of fuel. That's your safety margin.
I remember flying Southern a few times in the very early 70s to see family and friends in Yugoslavia. My family would fly from TLH-Orlando-MIA to connect with National to London. From London to Belgrade on either PA or BEA.
SO was a popular carrier out of TLH back then.
I remember the Chapecoense tragedy. Read all about it and watched lots of news and documentary on it. This happened to a Brazilian team, I'm from Brazil. Such a horrible tragedy! 3 players survived. The reserve goalkeeper, lost part of both legs, and a defender, he made a full recovery and went back to playing and this other player, he eventually recovered but not enough to return to playing.
There was another college football team lost in a plane crash in 1970. My dear high school friend, Richard Stine, and 28 other people from Wichita State University died in a plane crash on their way to play Utah State. There were two charter planes carrying the team, coaches, university officials, state legislators and others to the game. Richard was on the "gold" plane, a Martin 404 twin engine propliner. Other team members and staff were on the "black" plane which arrived safely in Logan Utah. The gold plane crashed into a Colorado mountain near Loveland pass. It was called pilot error. The plane carried 37 souls. 29 died immediately, two more died later of their injuries.
RIP to everyone in the first crash (shocking how brutal it was despite having occurred only a small distance above the ground), and to everyone EXCEPT the pilots in charge in the second crash.
the plane crashed at high speed and at such a shallow angle of impact that wreckage was spread out over a huge area, no one could have survived.
My dad almost walked on the Marshall football team in 1969, but opted to stay closer to home and attend Madison College (which later became James Madison University) where he played football instead. Scary to think about.
Wow! Staying close to home literally made your existence possible.
I’ve got two friends who teach at JMU.
carpenjk understand your dad's reasoning. You are blessed, that he decided to stay close to home. That's okay too. I have viewed this video for a while.
It seems like in every major tragedy similar stories emerge. 9/11 is a recent example.
carpenjk you are blessed that your dad either changed his mind, or was unable to make this flight. Its may be a blessing perhaps in disguise. A very good decision, whatever it may have been by you dad.
Shocking decision making by the pilots. TFC, thanks for the video, the second crash was very hard to watch and listen, running out of fuel because you took a chance and changed flight plan is hard to understand.
Yeah... the fact that they only called emergency with like 5 minutes of fuel left is just unbelievable.
as was stated above, in the 2nd crash, the owner was flying, had money problems, and didn't want to declare an emergency because it would bring attention to the fact that it was an illegal flight. Yeah, I know, stupid. He and the people could have been alive, even if he would have been bankrupt and probably in prison.
The same thing happened in New York State with a South American Carrier. A lot of similarities between the two.
On average there are three to four general aviation accidents with one to two fatalities in the US EVERY SINGLE DAY.
This is a gold mine of content. Those who recognized this (such as Hoover over at Pilot Debrief) are putting up extraordinary numbers, as channels that cover the same incidents of which we are all too familiar watch their numbers continue to fall off. And they wonder why.
Shortly before Thanksgiving, a guy I went to high school with died in a plane crash south of where I live now. I haven't heard much about it since it happened. I'm wondering if they ever figured out what happened.
Yes, but those accidents involve small planes, not commercial airlines and private jets, Carol.
@@donnabaardsen5372 They often involve private jets (these are general aviation as well) but I take your point.
Mine is this: Would I rather watch a show about a King Air crash that I maybe hadn’t even heard of or another among the dozens of episodes across various channels about Tenerife or JAL 123?
I will watch an analysis of the King Air crash but will gratefully skip the others that I’ve already been deluged with for decades.
@@donnabaardsen5372 And, Donna?
Your work never fail to amaze me, keep it up dude.. good job👍
It's kinda sad watching this channel and seeing how many accidents would've been prevented if not for flight crew arrogance.
I agree and add to that the occasional arrogant , incompetent or sloppy ATC operators , sloppy maintenance crews and sloppy ground crews . There are far too many examples .
Replace them with robots
What about Wichita State? 1970 plane crash carrying their football team flying to Utah with a similar situation. Crashed due to pilot error. All passengers died.
I lost a dear friend from high school in that crash.
I worked on the film, We Are Marshall, as an extra and am about 30 min east of Huntington. It still hangs in the air there.
Lmfao. No body knows who you are lmfao. I bet you really think that you’re an An actual celebrity carrying around 8 by 10s thinking people will recognize you and want your autograph 😂😂😂 I heard that of a lot of the extras acted like that saying they stared in the movie 😂😂
Again, total pilot incompetence cost lives.
Except the first one tho. I remember there was a movie about it and the inclement weather was the cause
Crazy and so sad as always. Thank you for your amazing work!
May I ask you to create a video about the crash of Lokomotiv Yaroslavl's hockey team in September 2011?
Im from Brazil and i love this channel
Great vid, love this channel.
I would love to see the Munich air disaster in 1958 6 February. Manchester United Busby Babes rip!
TFC, I’ve been with your channel since 2018. I appreciate your video style and how you explain things. I took your older video style and used it for my channel, hope you don’t mind. :)
What software did you use?
As horrible as the Marshall disaster was, I have to point out that the crash of Sabena 548 (which killed the entire 1961 US Figure Skating World Team) is the worst sports disaster in American history. It took six decades and a global pandemic before US Figure Skating allowed an entire team to fly on the same plane-in the latter case, the charter to the 2022 Beijing Olympics.
I’d never heard of that one. I’ll definitely look it up.
Wonder the Beijing Olympics would be one-off or they feel confident now, and just simply travel together
@erinwestphal3281 unfortunately do remember the Sabena 548 flight. Yes, it took some time to recover, start again for United states skating team. You would think even in that era, air travel was the best option, depending where you were ? It seems after all these years, aviation have not learnt unfortunately. Also referring to the tragedy of 1977, on tenerife, unfortunately so many "if's" on that day in question. So many lives lost, incident could have been avoided, if they had waited 5 or 10 minutes for the weather to clear. That incident had happen over 40+ years ago, hopefully we have learnt that over time air travel would be safe for all. Hopefully so. After all these years have passed, this incident is still the most tragic lose of life, on ground, not in flight.
On December 13, 1977 a DC3 aircraft crashed shortly after take off. It was carrying the University of Evansville basketball team.
Small nit "flight crews must execute a missed approach if the visual reference has not been obtained on reaching the MDA" its a minimum descent altitude. The other would be the decision altitude or DA. MDAs mean you can follow the altitude until you reach the missed approach point or MAP, usually located at the runway threshold.
This is why MDA approaches are often called "dive and drive approaches", because you descent to the MDA, then toodle along for a while looking for the runway.
I took a deep dive into Southern Airways 932 (partly in turn from the original video, and partly from Southern 242 as a whole) and was quite surprised by the way these pilot acted. You would think that the conditions they found themselves in would make them aware of there surroundings, but i guess get-there-itis did what it does best, distract.
So sad! They were so close to home. So close to the airport and then this horrible tragedy!
Such tragedy... and for the 2016 flight, for ZERO excuses...! Great job TFC.
It's hard to understand how many of these fatal crashes are caused by pilots inconceivably ignoring standard protocols. It makes me wonder how much of this goes on and puts so many members of the flying public at more risk than they ever realize. The Marshall crash was just stupid. I think the pilots simply forgot there was an MDA restriction and they just blew through 1200 feet right into the ground. The LaMia flight is more concerning. They gambled and lost without any concern for the passengers. Gambling on "Can we get there flying right to the edge" is something a commercial pilot can't do. You want risk your life flying your Cessna on fumes, go right ahead but leave me out of it!
Someone else commented that the Colombian flight captain was the company owner. He was avoiding “May Day” calls and didn’t refuel because of money issues and was trying to avoid being investigated. Instead he killed dozens of people.
Well Said.
The song "DOA" by Bloodrock was supposed to be about the W VA plane crash.
The piloting in both of these incidents is beyond irresponsible. Completely avoidable if protocol was actually followed.
Human error, that is why I don't fly 😂
@@Gunsandfun1961As well as myself..... I'll never fly in any commercial aircraft... I had a horrid experience as a child on my late mother's friend's single engine Cessna....... That's another reason...
@@omarthompson3957 What happened?
@@JuanMendoza-qd5lm It was door related...... The craft was freezing 🥶 It was during winter .... Probably not that horrible as an adult .... But when you're a young boy ???? I was scared to death ... Then I realized the altitude .... I'm just not cut out for flying ......
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@@Gunsandfun1961 if human error is your fear you shouldn't drive, ride, walk or eat. Live in a house? And who do you think designs and makes guns?
I remember when Flight Channel first covered the LA Mia flight in an earlier episode years back..
They made a movie about it: "^We Are Marshall". I was at Penn State at the time. The crash sent tremors through all college football teams and student bodies.
Please make a video about the Oklahoma State University young team killed in a plane crash in January of 2001. I think it was disorientation because of the snow storm. I believe several team members were killed, a sports announcer whose wife was a flight attendant.
the incompetence of these pilots is beyond understanding
So the second flight was doomed the day they certified the captains pilots license. The aircraft had 4 engines. They could have easily shut one down to save fuel and probably even 2 in an emergency.
Wouldn't that make the remaining engines burn fuel faster?
@@Mephisto707 yes it would. up to twice as much. Cant stay up at 33000 with 3 engines let alone two. two engines would probably mean 21000ft and near 100% power on the two engines depending on weight.
Vectores, vectores..... How sad!! Bad decision
The Marshall crash is still rather odd to me as it would seem that visibility was SUPER poor as they couldn't even see the ground let alone a lighted runway...........
TFC is re-running incidents when there is a bunch of new incidents occurring on 737 MAX aircraft lately.
Did the NTSB figure out what happened to Alaska Airlines flight 1282? I'm guessing bad maintenance.
@@vickiweber4718missing bolts on door plugs
@@vickiweber4718 Missing bolts never installed seems to be the current theory
It was a brand new plane, delivered in November 2023, so unlikely to be maintenance.
@@cchristensen9901 yep, seems to be more of an installation issue...
The sports crash that comes to mind first for me is Sabena Flight 548, when the entire 1961 US Figure Skating Team was lost on the way to the world championships.
lisadioguard5742 yes unfortunately do remember that crash. I'm old presently, in my mid teens when that incident happened.
The Flight Channel should consider describing this one.
Nice explanation of approaches for the 1970s.
Pretty sure the first video is a remake. Been a lot of those on here recently.
Definitely agree
Yep running out of content.
They both are. For whatever reason, this channel hasn't produced new videos for weeks now.
latest episodes are like clickbait, just reposting old episodes again under different titles. In that matter Allec Joshua Ibay's aviation channel is far superior he posts new episode content.
That's the other YT channel I watch every week on aviation crashes/incidents. I like that it still puts out new uploads every week but have to admit the I like The Flight Channel's realistic graphics a bit more. I'm hoping TFC goes back to doing new content. @@agxec2932
Here’s the thing. I guess we should stop bothering him to try to make new episodes. We could be stressing him out so much.
I suspected the first one was about Marshall. If you want to see a detailed "documentary" of the incident, watch the movie We are Marshall.
I don't understand what either set of pilots could have been thinking to do the things they did, especially the one in Colombia. It was absolute insanity to fly nonstop when they knew the plane wouldn't make it. Stupidity should only be painful to the stupid. The innocent shouldn't have to be the ones to suffer, and that goes for the Marshall crash, too.
Welcome to human life.
@@Brendan-Black I know, sigh....the human race can be so stupid and selfish.
Well it’s poor visibility, what you expect?
Better to have fuel and not need it than to need fuel and not have it. A disaster in the making.
Even a small kid will understand if you tell him that if the runway is not in sight don't go below MDA and initiate a Go around. The Captain and the First Officer did not understand this elementary aviation rule and took their lives as well as the lives of a entire football team and their fans and associates.
Two sportsball tragedies. The second one provided no surprises as it concerned the blatantly poor decision-making of the foreign aircrew.
It's unbelievable to me that the pilots did not take on adequate fuel. Nothing like running out of gas and losing your electric at 9,000 feet.
I knew about the Marshall plane crash but you enlightened me to the cause of the accident. I can't imagine flying blind in rain, cloud and fog with no visual or electric markers to navigate by. Both cases are extremely sad
God bless the first responders, the families of the dead and the survivors.
When you Really don’t want the needle at “E”.
I attended Marshall University from 2011-2016. Every November 14th, the Memorial Fountain is turned off until the Spring Semester. During the 2013 football season, Marshall wore special decals with the #75 in remembrance of those who perished in November 1970. We are... Marshall.
Our Marshall brothers, sisters, cousins that were lost still haunt us. WVU fans wept for those lost and still to this day.
Gees, How many houses are crammed in to Huntingdon, shocking..
The airport that serves Huntington WV is several miles away,there is sort of a low area where the Big Sandy and the Ohio rivers converge "KenOVA" where three States lie close together I think the airport is called "TriState"
Much of Huntington is more attractive and has larger house lots than most of the close in VA suburbs of Washington DC
there are tank farms and commercial developments in the low area near the rivers,I think the airport is sort of carved into a hillside above the river low ground area and very near the cemetery (Hillcrest)
wonder if the picture on 1:18 is the people actually who got on the plane or is it the whole team? Is Nate Ruffin in the picture? Is he #40? (Survived because injured and not at the game or inside the plane ,he would be an advocate for building another team so as to continue Football at Marshall.
The crash site is supposed to be very near a cemetery where my mother's sister,sister's husband and two infants that died at birth from my mother's sister are buried
WE ARE!!!
The landscape around Bogota and Medellin is extremely undulating with steep hills, dense aforestation and almost no flat ground whatsoever. There is absolutely no area to ditch an aircraft, especially at night. They really were doomed, due to the captain's poor decision.
Also, Bogota is located at 9,000ft altitude, so flying at 15,000ft doesn't give much room for error.
Medellin is not near Bogota.
It's 260 miles between cities, but I never said they were close
@@MyPropertyChannel not sure why he would mention bogota and its altitude for Medellin's airport.
@@MyPropertyChannel I replied to rebuildingscotland not to you.
@rebuildingscotland why would you mention bogota when they were flying into medellin?
Please make a video about the 2021 Colorado Mid-Air collision
Both accidents resulted from evident instances of inadequate piloting, insufficient training, poor decision-making, and limited experience. Minimum Descent Altitudes (MDA) are established for critical reasons. Pilots, upon spotting potential visuals below the MDA, should still opt for a go-around and adhere to missed approach procedures. It is imperative to follow approach charts meticulously; they are meticulously designed and planned with specific intentions in mind. Tragically, these incidents led to unnecessary loss of lives due to the pilots' incompetence and reckless actions, which are incompatible with aviation standards.
Do you know that for the first one, the visibility is really poor?
It reminds me of the time Kobe Bryant crashed that helicopter into Lynyrd Skynyrd’s plane and Buddy Holly died.
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Never fly with a discount or small airline plane.
TheFlightChannel, can you do Southwest Air Lines Flight 611
So basically, two dvmb@55 pilots kill their px’s.
Off topic, I just love to hear Colombian women talk, love that accent.
Can you do Egypt air flight 804?
is this the Football team referenced in the movie Beetleguise?
can you do the witchita state crash please😊
I think south american airlines who fly quad jets have a really bad habit of informing ATC about fuel emergencies
In the second episode, they didn't land in Bogota because gas at Medellin was 5 cents per gallon cheaper.
huge pilate error!!! Ashame we don't have cockpit recordings. Just some note, please correct: " did not ARREST" the descent, and replace it with "did not stop" Arrest is used for different things.
For the first one, you need to know that poor visibility is a thing and are you assuming that it’s easy to deal with?
I think the title of this video should have been "Deadly Touchdowns"
“We are Marshall” movie starring Matthew McConaughey is an excellent movie!!! Sad… I have watched it many times; but I always make sure I’m in the mood for it😢
enigmawyoming5201 sorry have not viewed that movie, will look into it.
Houston, we have a problem! We played Russian Roulet with our fuel supply and now we are Toast🤐🤐🤐
Once again, ego will get you killed.
Hey there, are you able to do AAL 587 in MSFS?
Can you make a video of the British European Airways Flight 609 6th feb 1958?
Would like to see a video on the Munich disaster please
This is why I only fly airlines that have professional pilots - unlike the clowns flying that second aircraft. Absolutely unbelievable how they reacted to an ensuing emergency and continued to let it develop.
The channel is great, but you need to slow down with those subtitles, it's too fast and there's no time to read, I have to stop the video all the time.
These were the first bird strikes when the birds were in a nest. 🐦
What the heck are boosters?
Rabid fans who often are alumni and financial donors.
I think I'll refrain from ever flying charter.
I beg u do bek air
But pilot diversity is much more important than pilot knowledge….
I hate flying yet I keep watching these vids which make it worse for me. lol
Think at this point I'm just validating my own resolve to never want to put my life in the hands of pilots.
If they fuck up like this I'm guaranteed to die. At least in a car, I can make own attempt to save myself from an accident.
This a reupload, come on
latest episodes are like clickbait, just reposting old episodes again under different titles
2:59
Do we really want to start hiring our pilots based on quota now?...
All these old videos make me wonder why anyone flew back before they really figuered out flying tech in the 90s.
"Flight crews must initiate a missed approach if visual reference has not been obtained on reaching the MDA" - This complete nonsense. You are confusing MDA with the decision altitude on precision approaches.
I'll just swing over to Google to look for the facts you left out about Flight 932. Were there any survivors? We're not told. Sloppy work.
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I believe it was 1980 an American Amateur Boxing team was killed in Europe. Terrible.
That football team hit the field pretty hard that evening.
Being poor is bad for your health
And bad health is POOR for your pocketbook!😂😂😂
Most of the latest episodes are like clickbait, just reposting old episodes again under different titles.
RIP to Marshall and Chapecoense players 😞
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7/11 was an outside job
7/11 was an underpaid job
@@grmpEqweerLol 😂
I remember that convenience store crashing.😅
Ma i controllori di volo e i piloti stessi dovrebbero comunicare solo nella lingua inglese, perché usano la madre lingua ? X tutte le vittime dei due incidenti Riposate in Pace 🙏✝️🌺
Day 2 of asking theflightchannel to do Avianca 11
Nope
Are you for real?
Or the Chakri Dadri mid-air collision