Margaret mentions that Marie's outfit is stolen from Elizabeths wardrobe. So now you have the mental image of Elizabeth dressed as Marie because that's canon
Igor during Persona 5: Igor: Welcome to the velvet room, My na- Lavenza: Igor he knows already Igor: Man did I miss something? Anyways, My name is Igor, and I am pleased to make your acquaintance. Lavenza: Igor! He knows already hes been here for like months Igor: God dammit I need to say my line I haven't gotten any screen time so I need to make it up right now. This place exists between dream and reality, mind and matter!
I do believe you forgot to mention that Lavenza is actually the youngest sister of the attendants. By defeating the twins, it slightly jogs Caroline's memories, and she says, quite excitedly, "Our sisters are gonna be upset about this, huh?" to which Justine replies, "Sisters? What do you mean?"
DarkMatterZero I believe lore wise the attendants are actually made from Igor, as they are subservient to him and they make no appearance when Nameless or Belladonna is there. It makes you wonder where they went though? Are they still somewhere in the velvet room?
I find it interesting that Yusuke actually has the same kind of ability as the Demon Painter. He could very well end up going down a similar path in the future though only time will tell.
I just realized how Morgana was supposed to be a guide to help Joker and he sticks with him for basically the whole game whereas in the other games you're by yourself when going around.
@@renamamiya7768 No, you absolute fool. Think of Morgana as an imprint of yourself on a magical being formed to guide you. Lavenza would more so be a separate entity from you, like your several friends, but one who has been affected by you.
I mean, the executions would be on the stands, and the jury part could be raised for hanging, the judge chair for itemizing and group guillotine would be the viewers seats- P6 leak?
The fake igor said: “welcome to MY velvet room” But the real igor says in every other game:”welcome to THE velvet room” Also the fake igor has a low pitch voice instead of the real igor’s voice that kinda had a weird tone i guess?
well the thing with Igor having a lower voice was kinda meta due to Igor's VA (atleast in Japan) passing away. I think they tried to use that as a way to explain why Fake Igor's voice is deep, but in reality its because it was actually a plot point
its still the same space its just fake Igor doesnt understand Igors true role probably because since seeing him as a butterfly in P3 Philemon has been absent so to fake Igor not understanding the structure behind the velvet room assumed it was Igor's
"first real self-insert character in any major cultural work of fiction" bruh Dante be out here writing whole ass religious fanfiction about himself in the 14th century and you're just gonna skip by that? He does deserve it tho
Though it's not confirmed, I feel like the prison of Akira's Velvet room is, to some degree, appropriate. Akira is imprisoned by society and the pressure of the masses. Hence, in Royal, once he enters the thrid semester where he works with Lavenza and the real Igor, he is still in prison. That is, until later when his cell is open and he's in his clothing that represents a "spirit of rebellion". I do think it may have manifested as something else, but because of Yaldabaoth's "Game", the general masses' oppression was made all the more prevolent, so as to form the prison in Akira's Velvet Room. So I think, while Yaldabaoth inevitably influenced the formation of Akira's Velvet room, the prison truly was a reflection of Akira's heart as "Spirits of Rebellion" and "Being chained down by the power of the masses" is a central theme in persona 5
also the fact arsene lupin was arrested for helping a woman in need and got sent to a prison with the exact dimensions (4m x 2.5m x 3m) and sectors (14) as jokers velvet room/cell, this pretty much secures the fact this Is his velvet room
Theo is canon he is the young brother to Margaret and Elizabeth and older brother to Lavenza, Spin-offs related to persona 4 are Canon. Theo was finding elizabeth and in the end of P4AU he decided to stop and he learned something.on his journey of finding coke cans
Igor normally: "Eh, a little unsettling, but he seems cool" Igor standing: "I don't like this, please go back" Igor going super sayin: *Holy fucking shit kill it with fire*
For the Velvet room's color, it always reminded me of the blue from an old computer's debugging/default screen. The room acts like a command prompt for the collective unconscious with music/tarot reading as the input rather than keystrokes. Even with the ability to do a lot in the Velvet Room it needs the actions of a living user to do anything and even then what it can do is limited to that user's knowledge. Persona 5 even proved it was possible to infect it and cause problems for an unwitting user but it cannot be destroyed (because that would take down the entire system with it)
The computer theme also works, as the smt equivalent to the velvet room is the cathedral of shadows, which converts your demons back into data and fuses them.
Head-cannon on where Nameless and Belladonna are in Persona 3-5. Persona 3: In the operators room (You are hearing them over the PA. Persona 4: Nameless is driving while Belladonna is in the passengers seat. Persona 5: They are in two of the other cells.
You know what's interesting? People tend to make their own versions of the Room and it's kinda nice to see what they can come up with, considering that it's a place that changes shape. For instance. there's one version from a fanfic I read weeks ago. This version is shaped like a Classroom and contains some doors that contains branchs. And the outside looks like a landscape devastated by fire. As the protagonist progresses, the flames are put out. BTW, the protagonist is Female Hakuno from the Fate Series. Yes, it was a crossover. Another version took shape of an Airport. There isn't much else I know. My personal favorite is from another fanfic. In it, it looks like a fancy Science Lab. The walls are littered with monitors, tubes and all things related to Science. There are windows that allow us to see outside, which is outer space. Oh, and it has it's OC Attendant. The other ones had characters we already know. The first one I mentioned had Caroline and Justine (for some reason) and the second one had Margaret. This one has an OC character that, obviously, dresses like a Scientist and his Compendium takes shape of a Tablet. His name is Victor. I believe that figuring out the reference it's a no-brainer. I'll be looking forward to see how many people can make their customized Velvet Rooms and how interesting they may look.
@@Zackgamer193 could see the velvet room become a Gym in a game all about self improvement and becoming the best version of yourself. With the attendants being either an encouraging or abusive gym coach
14:24 While the Velvet Room was taken over, and molded to be that way for Yaldabaoth, the God of Control, It's also explained in P5 that Joker literally feels like a prisoner to society. His heart is a prison. So the Velvet Room is how he sees himself. Which is why it's not until the very end of the game that Joker breaks free from his prison finally feeling freedom
"Welcome to the Velvet Room, this place exists between mind and matter, dream and reality, back alley drug deal and satanic ritual." - Man with a Long Nose P3Abridged
It's still absolutely fucking crazy to me how yabbadabbadoo (not even gonna try spelling it) was able to not only break into the velvet room uninvited but defeat Igor and split Lavenza in two, when they are probably some of the strongest beings in the entire damn multiverse
in reality the assistants are not so powerful, they are a little below the level of the protagonist on duty and igor is nothing more than an assistant to a much more powerful entity I'm not surprised that something like the Jaldabaot could easily take them on, as it is impossible for the protagonist to defeat him alone, needing MUCH EXTRA HELP
I was expecting a comprehensive deliberation on the principle of a space existing between "between worlds", rather than a summary. That said, nicely done summary. I learned about some references today.
Akira's Velvet Room would still have been a prison due to what happened to him but the "Holy Grail" still had a huge part in it still. Plus, if you talk to Lavenza on the last day of the game, P5/P5R, she'll end up giving him the key for his cell and is told that the key would have been given to the Trickster upon the first visit.
Thank god i literally beat persona 5 yesterday, and was hoping that you would eventually make a video about this subject one day. Thanks for helping make me a happy boi.
14:15 also let's remark the fact that Yaldabaoth refers to the the velvet room in P5 as HIS velvet room whilst Igor in any other Persona games refers to it as THE velvelt room dropping a little hint since the begining that this may not be the Igor we know at all
@@ShermTank7272 I think Morgana was just remembering things incorrectly. Igor did create Morgana last second and he could really be a shadow, as there have been shadow characters in the past games (ryoji and Teddie) What I think(this will be wrong, sorry Edit:meant long, not wrong) When humanity unconsciously desired for a ruler, mementos was created and Yaldy takes root in the depths as the treasure. I guess Igor and Lavenza(maybe some more attendants) head down to the depths and battle. Why a trickster wasn't found beforehand, idk they might've been taking auditions still Obv, they lose. Lavenza splits, Igor is taken over and Morgana is created. But my theory is(and this could be totally wrong): Igor creates Morgana. He is created by those black and red sludge effect thing, and since Igor and gang were fighting Yaldy, it explains why the background is mementos. Perhaps Igor was inflicted with Distorted Wrath, but could resist it well enough. Morgana was created with Wrath affecting him, but Igor healed him, gave him Zorro(?) and told him to find the trickster, and disappeared. That's maybe why morg's eyes are yellow bc awakening and stuff
@@clarinethro1695 it's stated that Igor made Morgana using the hope of humanity and a piece of himself. So he is basically a piece of Igor made flesh with the hope of humanity as the desire, that desire allows him to awaken Zorro. Bada Bing Bada boom pseudo shadow with it's own persona
Welp I just imagined Belladonna driving the P4 limo "motor mouthing" and Nameless in the passenger seat jamming on a keyboard and that is my new headcanon
It's just a Twin Peaks reference. It's a reference to the black lodge and named after the movie Blue Velvet. P2 end is just Twin Peaks S2 end. Also Persona 3 and 4 = JoJo and 5 = Lupin 3 with stands. See you in 25 years, when the time comes again.... Inmate.
persona 5 is still jojo i mean doesn't it sound familiar to you a teen put in prison as a key part of the plan a servant of god(god in p5) lead astray by evil made the plans succeeds but in the end it came to bite him in the ass.
ThatIrishPerson97 i doubt it, but possibly you could be akechi or a yakuza something like that or maybe the last boss is your father maybe it's about cowboys maybe you lost your memories who knowa
My headcanon for the velvet room is that there is a building which contains all velvet rooms and Theodore is a receptionist who comunicates with all the attendants, but Elizabeth is on vacation in p3f so he just replaces her
Igor comes from success of Twin Peaks and the "The Man from Another Place (The Arm)". He also appears in another David Lynch movie "Mulholland Dr." in a bit of a different, but still dream induced role. He influenced the creators of Persona 1 and they just kept the theme going. Look it up for the reference.
@@denkerbosu3551 Yosuke probably because of his cut romance with Narukami, Teddie because he's Teddie, Yukiko literally tells us that Chie is one of her Princes, and Daisuke straight up says he doesnt like girls during is S Link
If you ever get the opportunity, then I say do it!! I started with 5 when it came out, but couldn't get around to playing it after my bf took the ps4 with him to school, so I was stuck with his ps2 and my roommates psp. So I played p3 and p3p through out this past winter and p4 this past spring. I actually was able to finish 5 with my bf this summer! They were all fun and while I must say 3 is my fav, they all have their magic to them that make each one special. I hope to find the psp ver. of Revelations Persona (aka Persona 1) to play it and also find Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment (the two Persona 2 games). I'm super excited that I became a fan right as the most recent game released and was blessed to play the other cult classics, and I hope everyone who is interested looks into the series!
I know this isn’t necessarily relevant to the video but damn seeing P1-3 at the beginning of the video. I really love the softer cloudier art style the first 3 games had.
When I watched twin peaks I was like this is definetly where they got the velvet room from especially the strange midget man obviously being the inspo for Igor
I though Margaret was the best attendant and then you told me that she’s a jojo fan! and I cannot tell you exactly how much better she is than every other persona character ever
With the possiable change comming to the velvet room due to the real life death of the japanese voice actor of igor. I'd love to see lavenza take over Igors role. The fact she showed just how powerful she could be. It would be interesting to see her struggle and find her way along with the protagonist. I would also love to see igor becpme a top tier persona fpr the memory of the voice actor who was lost.
and I just realised again that, I remember the band who sing in the velvet room always singing the theme of velvet room specially on persona 4 golden that i just played again while fusing my frickin persona for dont know hours i spend on , lmao
I still wonder who the strongest attendant would be. My bet is on Elizabeth since she does not even have a social link as she is already in possession of ZA WARUDO.
I'm just waiting for the game where the were the gods of the persona series show up again because when they do I know we are going to get a epic scene of that place getting invaded. It's going to be a giant scare but it's going to be worth it.
Now that I’m thinking about it in every game that doesn’t show them physically there is a way that the music can be played. In p3 there’s the elevator speakers. In p4 there’s the car radio. And in p5 there’s the speakers hanging from the ceiling.
Makes me wonder what Philemon thought of yaldabouth interfering with his and neps bet, I wonder if we will see Igor or Phil taking measures in p6 to ensure the velvet rooms security. If yal was able to take over the velvet room, then there are definitely entities out there that want to interfere directly and are aware of the room.
I thought yalba mentioned that the room takes the form of someone’s heart and that akira truly felt imprisoned in his heart. I assumed that the reason he broke out later in the game was because his heart was freed.
A reasonable thought but Joker's heart was free because he was able to summon a Persona. It was a prison because the God of Control was trying to keep tabs on him so Joker would not beat him in the end.
yeah the Velvet Room Prison IS Joker's vetlvet room. He felt like a prisoner, his heart was a prison :'( and he felt that way for almsot an entire year until he gained his Phantom Theif clothes because he felt freedom
The Velvet Room and the two attendants make sense to me with Joker when the game begins. Trapped with no place to go and the two wants of helping people and not getting into trouble who do battle in your head... Anima, Animus. The feminine in the masculine, the masculine in the feminine.
Are we just not gonna talk about how both fake and real Igor's VA uses a velvety voicetype, plus all the attendents?! Ecluding Caroline I guess because of her yelling, but still!
aw. poor marie. not a big fan of her. but i dont get the hate. i liked her in persona Q thou. i was curious lore wise about her. but oh well, there was probably much about her anyway. edit also found this on a forum about Marie "Her fate is woven around the MC's and she has amnesia. She is sent as a spy to find out the wish of mankind. Through her, our main boss figures that the world is better shrouded in darkness because people quit looking for the truth themselves and are more content to watch from the outside. After you beat Adachi, the boss doesn't need the fog to envelop the world anymore. Marie takes the fog within herself to prevent the destruction of the world. She disappears into the Hollow Forrest to disappear. If you max her SL before the end of December, you get the option to save her. You do so and she remembers who she is and why she was originally created" also "she serves a role just like Kunino-sagiri and ameno-sagiri. through her social link and story progression it is revealed that she is more or less the good side of Izanami, which was focefully split from her desire to grant mankind it´s desires. after you defeat Izanami she reunites with Marie (she keeps her human marie look) to become Izanami-no-Mikoto. she then becomes the weather forecaster of inaba, or rather she desides the weather." is this all true? i dont know, i found this online, you decide
You get Jokers lore a bit wrong. Not just anyone was adressed as "Trickster", that was Jokers title as he had been chosen as the proxy to stop Yaldabouth. That title had been chosen because of Jokers trickster attributes, I believe? I dont fully remember, it was a while since i played the game...
I've been playing persona 5 for hours and it's a great game . It's honestly one of the best games I've played. It's the first PE I've played and damn. Just amazing
Is it not also a reference to Yves Klein? he did a piece called "the Void" in which he opened a gallery that was completely empty in order to provide a spiritual experience to his participants. he was also obsessed with a certain shade of blue that he dubbed IKB (International Klein Blue) which is the exact shade of blue used in the Velvet room. www.theartstory.org/artist-klein-yves.htm
Just putting it out there after thinking on it a whole lot, while I understand how it’s thematically appropriate that P4’s Velvet Room is a limousine driving through the fog, a part of me is really starting to like this alternate idea of the P4 Velvet Room being a train car, possibly a “recreational area” so we can still have the alcohol. Y’know, murder-mysteries are popularly held on trains and all that, also while it’ll be *really* hard to derail a train onwards to its destination (i.e. the “Truth”) derailing a train can fuck over everyone really bad I think it works as a parallel to the train crashing representing how badly Inaba is gonna get fucked if it merges with the TV world Just voicing this idea because I got afflicted with some P4 again after finding this Izanami Swap AU and reading Pursuit Through The Fog, a fanfic that just inserts Izanami (who calls herself Nami) as a part of the Investigation Team to get a first hand look at how her “experiment” is going based on some “what if?” drawings by Mgx0 on twitter and I desperately need help because they got me in a chokehold
Margaret mentions that Marie's outfit is stolen from Elizabeths wardrobe. So now you have the mental image of Elizabeth dressed as Marie because that's canon
I will now have sexual thoughts about that
muhammad nazirul good that's a big mood.
@@290naz She's not real, bruv.
@@manuelmateo3392
Neither are you
That's great! Elizabeth and Marie are great :D
_Welcome to the Velvet Room. This place exists between dream and reality, mind and matter._
my name is Igor
Iam pleased to make your acquaintaince
Only those who bind by bond may enter
Igor during Persona 5:
Igor: Welcome to the velvet room, My na-
Lavenza: Igor he knows already
Igor: Man did I miss something? Anyways, My name is Igor, and I am pleased to make your acquaintance.
Lavenza: Igor! He knows already hes been here for like months
Igor: God dammit I need to say my line I haven't gotten any screen time so I need to make it up right now.
This place exists between dream and reality, mind and matter!
@@derekmartin5340 have you seen nicob.
Random person: the drink was drugged... I knew it, I am dead...
I refuse to believe at one point Igor did not grab his demon phone and say "Eyo, Satan, I need ya to come down here."
“ayo throbbing king of desire can u come over here for a bit”
“Loki whatsup can you come down with us”
"Hello Lucifer can you do what these kids call a solid?"
Yes, is this the Messiah? alright i need you to do me a favor, thanks.
with the italian accent
1-4: (You are safe here)
5: *WAKE UP! IT'S TIME TO DIE INMATE!!!*
I haven't played persona but from what I've seen of the twins. I hate them.
@@Johncruel How dare you say that about Caroline and Justine-san without even getting to know them.
The man behind the slaughter~ and I semi agree with the weeb you’ll like them more if you play the game and rank up the social link
@@melancholy7928 I'm not a weeb, I only watch one anime and it's called Neo Featherman the animation.
@@renamamiya7768 the fact that you added -san to the end of that makes me want to die.
I do believe you forgot to mention that Lavenza is actually the youngest sister of the attendants. By defeating the twins, it slightly jogs Caroline's memories, and she says, quite excitedly, "Our sisters are gonna be upset about this, huh?" to which Justine replies, "Sisters? What do you mean?"
Kamanira dude, fucking spoilers. Put a warning ffs
@@ohmarrr1430 dude, this entire video is a spoiler calm the hell down.
Its confirmed they are related in P5Dancing
Makes me wonder if they are Belladonna and Nameless' children.
DarkMatterZero I believe lore wise the attendants are actually made from Igor, as they are subservient to him and they make no appearance when Nameless or Belladonna is there. It makes you wonder where they went though? Are they still somewhere in the velvet room?
I find it interesting that Yusuke actually has the same kind of ability as the Demon Painter. He could very well end up going down a similar path in the future though only time will tell.
TIME TRAVEL WILL TELL?
What if the Demon Painter is Yusuke's dad?
@@silentspirit8923
*200 years old*
@@cyan.6399 I don't see anything wrong with that
@@silentspirit8923 Could just be 200+ year old Yusuke :u
I just realized how Morgana was supposed to be a guide to help Joker and he sticks with him for basically the whole game whereas in the other games you're by yourself when going around.
@@kana22693 Morgana is like my daughter assistant?
@@renamamiya7768
No, you absolute fool. Think of Morgana as an imprint of yourself on a magical being formed to guide you. Lavenza would more so be a separate entity from you, like your several friends, but one who has been affected by you.
Yes but he was only made because the velvet room was being distorted as igor was overthrown
A court. Ren/Akira would have had a court room. Wow.
I mean, the executions would be on the stands, and the jury part could be raised for hanging, the judge chair for itemizing and group guillotine would be the viewers seats- P6 leak?
Or maybe in P5R ? We can hope
@@Oszy333 nope played P5R still the same.... except the door is open now
@@drakofox1362 nope its still closed
i checked
@@gabijota11 not until you get to the end and the new palace than the door is open
24:55 He's the Velvet Rooms pet cat, whose treated as more of an equal than Theodore.
That's just sad...
Also, he calls Lavenza ‘Lady’. Maybe he’s an agent of the Velvet Room, but he most likely ranks below the Attendants themselves.
My boi Theo deserves better than this
of all the personas you could have show up at 9:30 . It just had to be Mara
It was such a dick move of him.
@@dragonkid1818
You may think that pun was good but don't get cocky
Oh don’t worry, I’m sure there will be more to cum.
Those puns PISS me off
*Insert clever penis pun here*
The fake igor said: “welcome to MY velvet room”
But the real igor says in every other game:”welcome to THE velvet room”
Also the fake igor has a low pitch voice instead of the real igor’s voice that kinda had a weird tone i guess?
well the thing with Igor having a lower voice was kinda meta due to Igor's VA (atleast in Japan) passing away. I think they tried to use that as a way to explain why Fake Igor's voice is deep, but in reality its because it was actually a plot point
GamxrLee XAO the real Igor English voice comes back though.
@@501sttrooperbmc2 different Voice Actor but that is original igor.
its still the same space its just fake Igor doesnt understand Igors true role probably because since seeing him as a butterfly in P3 Philemon has been absent so to fake Igor not understanding the structure behind the velvet room assumed it was Igor's
But apparently the all seeing got yabadabado doesn't know that
>NOT A JOJO VIDEO
>STILL REFRENCES JOJO
OK I SEE HOW IT IS
Doctor Fuze But persona is jojo with a bit of carl jung
Cake# I love your comment, please never stop being awesome
rockstickcomics don’t encourage him
Meti: breathes
Jojo fans:
Jojo is a SMT reference
"first real self-insert character in any major cultural work of fiction" bruh Dante be out here writing whole ass religious fanfiction about himself in the 14th century and you're just gonna skip by that?
He does deserve it tho
Though it's not confirmed, I feel like the prison of Akira's Velvet room is, to some degree, appropriate. Akira is imprisoned by society and the pressure of the masses. Hence, in Royal, once he enters the thrid semester where he works with Lavenza and the real Igor, he is still in prison. That is, until later when his cell is open and he's in his clothing that represents a "spirit of rebellion".
I do think it may have manifested as something else, but because of Yaldabaoth's "Game", the general masses' oppression was made all the more prevolent, so as to form the prison in Akira's Velvet Room.
So I think, while Yaldabaoth inevitably influenced the formation of Akira's Velvet room, the prison truly was a reflection of Akira's heart as "Spirits of Rebellion" and "Being chained down by the power of the masses" is a central theme in persona 5
it IS confirmed. Joker felt like a Prisoner to soceity so that's why Joker has a prison
Dude this is obvious...
also the fact arsene lupin was arrested for helping a woman in need and got sent to a prison with the exact dimensions (4m x 2.5m x 3m) and sectors (14) as jokers velvet room/cell, this pretty much secures the fact this Is his velvet room
Does anyone else hope that Philemon comes back in Persona?
Philemon in P5R
He came back for like a second in PQ2 but I do hope he returns in a main franchise game
Philemon's saga cannot be forgotten
He is but only in his butterfly form occasionally but only time will tell if he should return.
He comes back in persona 93504
93r50n4
Theodore is also canon in the dancing games which also makes him cannon in all the games kinda
Dancing games are non canon (except for p4d)
@@jokingbanana1042 don't they mention him alot tho? Like P4AU, PQ, ect
Theo is canon he is the young brother to Margaret and Elizabeth and older brother to Lavenza, Spin-offs related to persona 4 are Canon. Theo was finding elizabeth and in the end of P4AU he decided to stop and he learned something.on his journey of finding coke cans
Igor normally: "Eh, a little unsettling, but he seems cool"
Igor standing: "I don't like this, please go back"
Igor going super sayin: *Holy fucking shit kill it with fire*
For the Velvet room's color, it always reminded me of the blue from an old computer's debugging/default screen. The room acts like a command prompt for the collective unconscious with music/tarot reading as the input rather than keystrokes. Even with the ability to do a lot in the Velvet Room it needs the actions of a living user to do anything and even then what it can do is limited to that user's knowledge. Persona 5 even proved it was possible to infect it and cause problems for an unwitting user but it cannot be destroyed (because that would take down the entire system with it)
The computer theme also works, as the smt equivalent to the velvet room is the cathedral of shadows, which converts your demons back into data and fuses them.
Firstly, that was actually a really good comparison and a very good read, I respect it
Secondly, NEEEEEEEEERD
Someone had to say it
@@jennytulls6369 calling someone nerd is kinda cringe ngl
Now I need to see The Velvet Room that looks like an internet cafe or something similar
🅱️elvet room
Dio's room
Ok what does 🅱️ mean?
@@briceschiele6955 🅱️ is the god of all things.🅱️ is the ultimate meme.
🅱️elvet 🅱️oom
*🅱️ A R U*
Head-cannon on where Nameless and Belladonna are in Persona 3-5.
Persona 3: In the operators room (You are hearing them over the PA.
Persona 4: Nameless is driving while Belladonna is in the passengers seat.
Persona 5: They are in two of the other cells.
I like the idea of the blind pianist driving through the impenetrable fog of lies so I'm stealing that headcanon
You know what's interesting? People tend to make their own versions of the Room and it's kinda nice to see what they can come up with, considering that it's a place that changes shape.
For instance. there's one version from a fanfic I read weeks ago. This version is shaped like a Classroom and contains some doors that contains branchs. And the outside looks like a landscape devastated by fire. As the protagonist progresses, the flames are put out. BTW, the protagonist is Female Hakuno from the Fate Series. Yes, it was a crossover.
Another version took shape of an Airport. There isn't much else I know.
My personal favorite is from another fanfic. In it, it looks like a fancy Science Lab. The walls are littered with monitors, tubes and all things related to Science. There are windows that allow us to see outside, which is outer space. Oh, and it has it's OC Attendant. The other ones had characters we already know. The first one I mentioned had Caroline and Justine (for some reason) and the second one had Margaret. This one has an OC character that, obviously, dresses like a Scientist and his Compendium takes shape of a Tablet. His name is Victor. I believe that figuring out the reference it's a no-brainer.
I'll be looking forward to see how many people can make their customized Velvet Rooms and how interesting they may look.
One version of fan-made velvet room i know is therapy room in persona themed fangame
@@Zackgamer193 could see the velvet room become a Gym in a game all about self improvement and becoming the best version of yourself.
With the attendants being either an encouraging or abusive gym coach
14:24 While the Velvet Room was taken over, and molded to be that way for Yaldabaoth, the God of Control, It's also explained in P5 that Joker literally feels like a prisoner to society. His heart is a prison. So the Velvet Room is how he sees himself. Which is why it's not until the very end of the game that Joker breaks free from his prison finally feeling freedom
It's always a good time going on a massive fusion bender while "Aria of the Soul" plays. Excellent vid.
Me: about to sleep.
UA-cam: here's a video about a man with a big nose, hot chicks and Lolis.
Theodore ain't no loli!!!
Meti doing persona, fither doing jojo, what non-canon portable universe did i stumble into?
All of them.
This must be the work of the Velvet Room!
The series I still need to get into
Pajamapants Jack I recommend starting with 3
Begin with 5
Pajamapants Jack Don't be a pleb start with persona 2.
Cake# As big a fan of Maya as I am. I don't think that's a good idea as P2 isn't a very acessable game for new comers
Better to staet at 2 and work up, if you work backwards the controls and shit will be a problem for some.
you saying carolina and not caroline like how they say it in the game makes me want to grab an evoker
and get yourself a persona
Not to mention “Yeltabeth”
"Welcome to the Velvet Room, this place exists between mind and matter, dream and reality, back alley drug deal and satanic ritual." - Man with a Long Nose P3Abridged
It's still absolutely fucking crazy to me how yabbadabbadoo (not even gonna try spelling it) was able to not only break into the velvet room uninvited but defeat Igor and split Lavenza in two, when they are probably some of the strongest beings in the entire damn multiverse
in reality the assistants are not so powerful, they are a little below the level of the protagonist on duty and igor is nothing more than an assistant to a much more powerful entity
I'm not surprised that something like the Jaldabaot could easily take them on, as it is impossible for the protagonist to defeat him alone, needing MUCH EXTRA HELP
24:40 Today I learned that it's okay to be wrong sometines.
Yeah, like enjoying Marie
@@MetiNotTheBadGuy You are objectively wrong, in my opinion.
Marie is garbage. It was so disgustingly cringy when she confesses to you on live TV.
she is fucking supid
@@ElDrHouse2010 Let's be honest, Elizabeth would have done something just as dumb in that position
Finally, a man of culture among these heathens.
I was expecting a comprehensive deliberation on the principle of a space existing between "between worlds", rather than a summary.
That said, nicely done summary. I learned about some references today.
Akira's Velvet Room would still have been a prison due to what happened to him but the "Holy Grail" still had a huge part in it still. Plus, if you talk to Lavenza on the last day of the game, P5/P5R, she'll end up giving him the key for his cell and is told that the key would have been given to the Trickster upon the first visit.
Thank god i literally beat persona 5 yesterday, and was hoping that you would eventually make a video about this subject one day. Thanks for helping make me a happy boi.
A Persona video?! Hell yeah!
14:15 also let's remark the fact that Yaldabaoth refers to the the velvet room in P5 as HIS velvet room whilst Igor in any other Persona games refers to it as THE velvelt room dropping a little hint since the begining that this may not be the Igor we know at all
The type of Velvet Room that Igor greeted me in was a bedroom...
You’re welcome for that image.
Mine was an author's study
I hate you
Demi-Fiend of Time what
I love his nose, it can touch all the spots
My velvet room would be an infinite library.
So if Morgana was summoned by Igor at the last second, does that mean he's actually a demon?
@@lyzder7298 So morgana is also an attendant?
I mean, in those flashback/nightmare scenes, he does appear to be summoned in a way similar to how demons appear in palaces
@@ShermTank7272 I think Morgana was just remembering things incorrectly. Igor did create Morgana last second and he could really be a shadow, as there have been shadow characters in the past games (ryoji and Teddie)
What I think(this will be wrong, sorry
Edit:meant long, not wrong)
When humanity unconsciously desired for a ruler, mementos was created and Yaldy takes root in the depths as the treasure. I guess Igor and Lavenza(maybe some more attendants) head down to the depths and battle. Why a trickster wasn't found beforehand, idk they might've been taking auditions still
Obv, they lose. Lavenza splits, Igor is taken over and Morgana is created. But my theory is(and this could be totally wrong):
Igor creates Morgana. He is created by those black and red sludge effect thing, and since Igor and gang were fighting Yaldy, it explains why the background is mementos. Perhaps Igor was inflicted with Distorted Wrath, but could resist it well enough. Morgana was created with Wrath affecting him, but Igor healed him, gave him Zorro(?) and told him to find the trickster, and disappeared. That's maybe why morg's eyes are yellow bc awakening and stuff
@@clarinethro1695 it's stated that Igor made Morgana using the hope of humanity and a piece of himself. So he is basically a piece of Igor made flesh with the hope of humanity as the desire, that desire allows him to awaken Zorro. Bada Bing Bada boom pseudo shadow with it's own persona
he created Morgana not summoned
Welp I just imagined Belladonna driving the P4 limo "motor mouthing" and Nameless in the passenger seat jamming on a keyboard and that is my new headcanon
The ways you place your name in each video is really clever.
It's just a Twin Peaks reference.
It's a reference to the black lodge and named after the movie Blue Velvet.
P2 end is just Twin Peaks S2 end.
Also Persona 3 and 4 = JoJo
and
5 = Lupin 3 with stands.
See you in 25 years, when the time comes again....
Inmate.
persona 5 is still jojo i mean doesn't it sound familiar to you a teen put in prison as a key part of the plan a servant of god(god in p5) lead astray by evil made the plans succeeds but in the end it came to bite him in the ass.
necho cat Wait a second, you right. I'm just off a part.
Persona 6 set in Italy so?
ThatIrishPerson97 i doubt it, but possibly you could be akechi or a yakuza something like that or maybe the last boss is your father maybe it's about cowboys maybe you lost your memories who knowa
I liked this video, except the fact that he didn't mention Blue Velvet! I was almost gonna subscribe to him!
My headcanon for the velvet room is that there is a building which contains all velvet rooms and Theodore is a receptionist who comunicates with all the attendants, but Elizabeth is on vacation in p3f so he just replaces her
Pq2 implies that the one velvet room exists between all dimensions.
Igor comes from success of Twin Peaks and the "The Man from Another Place (The Arm)". He also appears in another David Lynch movie "Mulholland Dr." in a bit of a different, but still dream induced role. He influenced the creators of Persona 1 and they just kept the theme going. Look it up for the reference.
The alternate universe counterpart for Jotaro in Persona 4 is goddamn, arguably gay, teddy bear.
This information brings me inner peace.
Nah, the only arguably gay character is Kanji, but Teddie is arguably straight
Oh honestly, most P4 characters are (probably) part of the LGBTQ+ community. Yosuke, Kanji, Yukiko, Teddy, Daisuke, and etc.
@@hornyanddepressed6805 I get why Kanji, but wtf with everyone else?
@@denkerbosu3551 Yosuke probably because of his cut romance with Narukami, Teddie because he's Teddie, Yukiko literally tells us that Chie is one of her Princes, and Daisuke straight up says he doesnt like girls during is S Link
@@thepoppets1052 Let's say Teddie is most likely bi,heck his clothes and appearances vary from a boy to a girl in his human form.
Love the velvet room music
The Velvet Room, a place named after the voice chat in xServer, what an honor.
I've been playing persona 5 but I also want to play the previous games
If you ever get the opportunity, then I say do it!! I started with 5 when it came out, but couldn't get around to playing it after my bf took the ps4 with him to school, so I was stuck with his ps2 and my roommates psp. So I played p3 and p3p through out this past winter and p4 this past spring. I actually was able to finish 5 with my bf this summer! They were all fun and while I must say 3 is my fav, they all have their magic to them that make each one special. I hope to find the psp ver. of Revelations Persona (aka Persona 1) to play it and also find Innocent Sin and Eternal Punishment (the two Persona 2 games). I'm super excited that I became a fan right as the most recent game released and was blessed to play the other cult classics, and I hope everyone who is interested looks into the series!
I love Igor’s skeleton phone so much, he needs to use it again in P6
8:45 I've never picked up on the bit on the doors
I know this isn’t necessarily relevant to the video but damn seeing P1-3 at the beginning of the video. I really love the softer cloudier art style the first 3 games had.
I'd love to see a follow up on this now that we have more content like PQ2, P5R and even P5D.
That cheeky edit in the beginning putting the correct line in the beginning with Igor welcoming you.
The sound I made at "Nep Nep" isn't human.
When I watched twin peaks I was like this is definetly where they got the velvet room from especially the strange midget man obviously being the inspo for Igor
I though Margaret was the best attendant and then you told me that she’s a jojo fan! and I cannot tell you exactly how much better she is than every other persona character ever
Nice detail on having the music stop at p5 velvet room. Also putting regular ivor back in p5 velvet room to match your video is nice.
Or if the p5 Igor change is a new game plus thing I don't know about then kill me
Would be neat if you did a video on mainline SMT
13:24 and the Velvet Room is like that becuase Joker feels like a prisoner to his fate and society
I actually got a Persona Q2 ad before this
With the possiable change comming to the velvet room due to the real life death of the japanese voice actor of igor. I'd love to see lavenza take over Igors role. The fact she showed just how powerful she could be. It would be interesting to see her struggle and find her way along with the protagonist. I would also love to see igor becpme a top tier persona fpr the memory of the voice actor who was lost.
remember that in the beginning of P5 "igor" seemed genuinely surprised that the velvet room was a prison, saying it was unexpected
so is yusuke the demon painters reincarnation or at least someone similar? maybe just a reference though
Isn't Philemon supposed to be named after the man Carl Yung saw in his dreams? That sounds like a much more plausible reference than Frankenstein
That would be much more likely. Though take that with a grain of salt as I am brand new to the Persona series and Jungian psychology.
ugh my head can't procces this much name lore, you were talking about elizabeth LAVENZA my lore flag popped up
I laughed so much when SMTIV Mido appeared out of nowhere being like WHOA
and I just realised again that, I remember the band who sing in the velvet room always singing the theme of velvet room specially on persona 4 golden that i just played again while fusing my frickin persona for dont know hours i spend on , lmao
Cool, 27 minutes of METI.
I love how fast you said that last bit even inserting the it does not exist twice into it. Great!
Hello young man, welcome to the V E L V E T R O O M
Bro when I was watching when the velvet room music played I was in the velvet room in p5 and it was timed perfectly
I still wonder who the strongest attendant would be.
My bet is on Elizabeth since she does not even have a social link as she is already in possession of ZA WARUDO.
Lavenza is also in possession of za warudo
This video was really cool and interesting other than the fact that I was spoiled about person 5 which sucks but other than that this is great
Drake & Josh & Sonic & Knuckles
What up Stone lol
& Dante from devil may cry
"Drake? Where's the Choas Emerald?"
I'm just waiting for the game where the were the gods of the persona series show up again because when they do I know we are going to get a epic scene of that place getting invaded.
It's going to be a giant scare but it's going to be worth it.
My headcanon is that nameless and belladona are always hidden in the velvet room, in angles where the camera can´t spot them.
Now that I’m thinking about it in every game that doesn’t show them physically there is a way that the music can be played. In p3 there’s the elevator speakers. In p4 there’s the car radio. And in p5 there’s the speakers hanging from the ceiling.
Makes me wonder what Philemon thought of yaldabouth interfering with his and neps bet, I wonder if we will see Igor or Phil taking measures in p6 to ensure the velvet rooms security. If yal was able to take over the velvet room, then there are definitely entities out there that want to interfere directly and are aware of the room.
I thought yalba mentioned that the room takes the form of someone’s heart and that akira truly felt imprisoned in his heart.
I assumed that the reason he broke out later in the game was because his heart was freed.
A reasonable thought but Joker's heart was free because he was able to summon a Persona. It was a prison because the God of Control was trying to keep tabs on him so Joker would not beat him in the end.
yeah the Velvet Room Prison IS Joker's vetlvet room. He felt like a prisoner, his heart was a prison :'( and he felt that way for almsot an entire year until he gained his Phantom Theif clothes because he felt freedom
@@ryantmaloney
Oh I remember yalba sounding pretty surprised himself at the state of the room, but it’s been a while so i could be wrong.
The Velvet Room and the two attendants make sense to me with Joker when the game begins. Trapped with no place to go and the two wants of helping people and not getting into trouble who do battle in your head...
Anima, Animus. The feminine in the masculine, the masculine in the feminine.
Are we just not gonna talk about how both fake and real Igor's VA uses a velvety voicetype, plus all the attendents?! Ecluding Caroline I guess because of her yelling, but still!
if you go to sleep one day and wake up in the velvet room wyd
I’ve been playing Persona 3 a lot recently and hearing ‘Igor’ speak made me jump. I completely forgot how deep his voice was
I knew it! The Velvet room was inspired by twin Peaks black lodge! Man, good thing I was watching Twin Peaks
aw. poor marie. not a big fan of her. but i dont get the hate. i liked her in persona Q thou.
i was curious lore wise about her. but oh well, there was probably much about her anyway.
edit also found this on a forum about Marie
"Her fate is woven around the MC's and she has amnesia. She is sent as a spy to find out the wish of mankind. Through her, our main boss figures that the world is better shrouded in darkness because people quit looking for the truth themselves and are more content to watch from the outside. After you beat Adachi, the boss doesn't need the fog to envelop the world anymore. Marie takes the fog within herself to prevent the destruction of the world. She disappears into the Hollow Forrest to disappear. If you max her SL before the end of December, you get the option to save her. You do so and she remembers who she is and why she was originally created"
also
"she serves a role just like Kunino-sagiri and ameno-sagiri.
through her social link and story progression it is revealed that she is more or less the good side of Izanami, which was focefully split from her desire to grant mankind it´s desires.
after you defeat Izanami she reunites with Marie (she keeps her human marie look) to become Izanami-no-Mikoto.
she then becomes the weather forecaster of inaba, or rather she desides the weather."
is this all true? i dont know, i found this online, you decide
Just play Golden, thats it
Q is the reason why I hate her tbh
Its true
reyzon mateo that’s literally the game lol
You get Jokers lore a bit wrong. Not just anyone was adressed as "Trickster", that was Jokers title as he had been chosen as the proxy to stop Yaldabouth. That title had been chosen because of Jokers trickster attributes, I believe? I dont fully remember, it was a while since i played the game...
the original velvet room looks so homey.
I've been playing persona 5 for hours and it's a great game . It's honestly one of the best games I've played. It's the first PE I've played and damn. Just amazing
Is it not also a reference to Yves Klein? he did a piece called "the Void" in which he opened a gallery that was completely empty in order to provide a spiritual experience to his participants. he was also obsessed with a certain shade of blue that he dubbed IKB (International Klein Blue) which is the exact shade of blue used in the Velvet room.
www.theartstory.org/artist-klein-yves.htm
24:37 I WILL RAIN HELLFIRE UPON YOU!
I saw a theory ones about the tricksters becoming velvet room attendant when they die. Sounds pretty cool
Just putting it out there after thinking on it a whole lot, while I understand how it’s thematically appropriate that P4’s Velvet Room is a limousine driving through the fog, a part of me is really starting to like this alternate idea of the P4 Velvet Room being a train car, possibly a “recreational area” so we can still have the alcohol. Y’know, murder-mysteries are popularly held on trains and all that, also while it’ll be *really* hard to derail a train onwards to its destination (i.e. the “Truth”) derailing a train can fuck over everyone really bad I think it works as a parallel to the train crashing representing how badly Inaba is gonna get fucked if it merges with the TV world
Just voicing this idea because I got afflicted with some P4 again after finding this Izanami Swap AU and reading Pursuit Through The Fog, a fanfic that just inserts Izanami (who calls herself Nami) as a part of the Investigation Team to get a first hand look at how her “experiment” is going based on some “what if?” drawings by Mgx0 on twitter and I desperately need help because they got me in a chokehold
The velvet room always safe
Ppl who finished P5:..........(Laughing maniacally) (silent agian).......
21:25
I think you forgot about the Divine Comedy
Dante is *absolutely* a Self Insert in that book
Funny you upload this i just got into this series thanks to 3portable and 4 on the ps3 last week.
I had to pause the video at the poem of everyone’s souls to listen to the modern masterpiece known as “The Pancake of Everyone’s Souls”
I'm genuinely curious about persona 6's velvet room
I thought up a Persona sequel...
Masked Wrestlers
VELVET GYM DUNGEON!
8P) lulz doggo
Another idea
VELVET RUNWAY
PERSONA VOGUE
Wow, you opened my mind
great video but marie is a fine character no need to jump on the hate wagon.
persona 2 igor be like **itches nose** **looks around** **itches nose** **hunches over** **looks around**
Please keep making persona videos!