Opposing Planned Obsolescence: Solidus Snake
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2023
- Solidus Snake is one of the more interesting villains in the whole of the Metal Gear series, even calling him a villain is debatable to some. A truly wonderful example of an anti-villain, someone who's staked his life on defying the one's who tried to shackle him. He rebelled against his planned obsolescence.
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As far as Solidus being the first third party president, one would have to assume that political parties were never real, and that every president was installed by the Patriots
Only after the events of snake eater
@@dragon44048probably a little after, as Major Zero only officially started the Patriots organization with Big Boss in 1972. With him setting it up with the Philosopher's Legacy in-between. So it probably took a while to 100% control the presidency.
So is irl
@@hominhmai5325 if you think that you're schizo
@@skellymen2395 u r not smart at all r u
If I had an egg for every time Raiden has slashed a high ranking US Government official, I’d have two eggs. Which isn’t a lot, but we’re making the mother of all omelets here. Can’t fret over every egg.
Damn two references in one
Sunny, ruining eggs isn't your fault. You have to let it go.
Nice lol
That's a nice argument Senator, but why don't you back it up with a source?
@@wkadams88 my source is that i made it the fuck up
Solidus wanting be remembered only to be forgotten is one of the worst things ever to happen to someone who holds onto their ideals till the very end.
Sons of Liberty in itself is one of the most tragic games in the series: from Solidus’s tragic fall, Raiden’s tragic upbringing to the tragedy of controlled digital information still just as relevant today as it was back then!
I feel like that's something that never gets talked about. Solidus wanted his memory to live on as a heroic one, but in Revengeance, we see the Sears Program. His legacy is only that of his use of child soldiers, and that's it. He's not even really remembered for starting the Shadow Moses uprising. He's definitely not remembered as one of the first third party people to actively fight back against the Patriots. He's only remembered for being a psychotic warmonger who tortured and endangered children. Is it unfair? Probably not. But considering how much worse Big Boss was, yet the world still admired him posthumously, it does suck.
Adding to the tragedy that third party might be a sort of Patriot run party. Compared to the two others that actually aren't.
@@mercury2157 wait he started Shadow Moses?
PS2 has some good classic games tho still
@@mercury2157how was big boss worse than that
"Everything that Solidus feared five years ago... It's all come to pass"
Not quite yet, but we are easily heading there.
"King! Fatman is dead!"
"It doesn't matter 🗿"
My favorite Snake. A pity he is often forgotten next to his brothers and father. A tragic irony for one who wanted to be remembered by history and other people...
As he himself so ironically put it to President Johnson, "Pawns can never become players."
Funny how he ended up like his pseudo-father, Venom. A man forgotten.
It’s weird to me that solidus feels somewhat forgotten as a villain in the series. He’s not meme’d like others, he’s not wacky. He feels grounded and subdued compared to every other villain in the series, which is why he’s one of my favorite. He feels real.
I'd say the only "meme'd" villains from anything related to Metal Gear as of recently have too be the Metal Gear Rising villains who were mostly liked because the vast majority of people played that game before the Solid series of games that Kojima directed. Also, that game being completely over-the-top in action and most of it's story moments and character interactions is probably why it's still remembered to this day. Ten years after it originally released.
My guy you need to read and watch hiimdaisy's comics Let's Destroy xD
"I AM THE BAWS TO SURPASS BIG BOSS, I AM THE BIGGEST BOSS, BOSS, BOSS, BAWS!"
THEY GOT MAH EYE
@@zion6680CHECK OUT THESE TENTACLES
*WIGGLE WIGGLE*
@@breadbucket66
“VAMP, GO!”
“HAH!”
Just a minor correction: The final battle between Raiden and Solidus takes place not on Capitol Hill, but on Federal Hall, Capitol Hill is in Washington, DC. Federal Hall is in Manhattan. This detail is important both for it's location on Wall Street symbolizing the Patriots' control of both the government and the market, and for Solidus as Federal Hall was the birthplace of America's first congress and the place where George Washington was sworn in as president, which ties into Solidus' own ambitions of being a kind of George Washington style revolutionary.
Great catch there, I thought Capitol Hill in NYC sounded odd.
Felt bad when solidus was betrayed by the king of betrayal, Ocelot, and the patriots. He risked it all to overthrow the system only to find out 'his' plans were all controlled from the beginning. Definitely the most relatable mgs villain
I always thought it was weird that Solid and Liquid didn’t know George Sears was their brother. The man looks exactly like Big Boss with an intact eye.
They had no reason to think they had a brother with advanced aging running. Plus its not like Big Boss ever dressed like a president. The lack of eyepatch, more formal hair, and just the circumstance of it all likely left the Snake twins maybe being perplexed for a few seconds before moving onto what is actively plaguing their lives.
In the right circumstances, you couldn't tell your own face. Also consider that Solidus's aging rate was faster than Snake's by that point; while Snake looked like he might be in his forties, Solidus looked to be in his sixties. Would you know your own face if it were aged by twenty years?
They show a presidential portrait of him several times during the game. He didn't look anything like Big Boss during his presidency.
I like to think they knew, but simply didn't care. Snake didn't seem to pay him a lot of mind when they spoke in MGS2.
I put it down to the "Clark Kent" effect. They weren't looking for a brother/Big Boss clone as the president. Plus, we've established that people can't recognize people as easily as we thought. Charlie Chaplin, Dolly Parton and so on all lost their own "Look alike" contests
love the metal gear stuff
Solidus with Yujiro's voice is not something I'd ever imagine happening but here we are
Which Yujiro?! Don't tell me..
@@nomad155: Venom Yujiro.
@@MKDumas1981 Hanma?!
Finally! Even though he was only in one metal gear game, solidus snake is one of my favorite characters of the franchise.
He was in two games actually. Pretty important in MGS4.
@@HonerableG I guess I was thinking in terms of active characters. I loved the character design, suit, backstory, voice acting, dialogue, motivation, you name it. I even based a custom Soul Calibur creation on him. In MGS4 he was mostly used as a decoy/spare parts for Big Boss and I noticed the blinded eye, so it foreshadowed part of the ending for me (Kojima, LOL). It was just disappointing that he only got his chance to shine in one game, considering he’s one of the snake brothers. 😎
@@bobbobson8539
I understand Solidus’ motivations and the tragedy of his existence, but I can’t forgive him for killing Olga and taunting Raiden about it.
It’s interesting how the only son of big boss that actually met him was the one who was unaware and wanted no association with him.
So like did Raiden ever look at the TV during the Sears presidency and have a panic attack?
"George, what do you think About child soldiers?"
Solidus: WE NEEED MORE OF THEM
Jack: wtf
Raiden was repressing those memories to the extent that he has amnesia regarding all of it. A self induced amnesia.
Solidus: Dammit, it's the wrong eye!
Ocelot: (In MGSV voice) Don't worry, you still look like Venom.
Solidus: What?
Ocelot: (MGS2 voice) Nothing.
Solidus: Who is Venom anyway?
Ocelot: *Who knows? Not me. I never lost control...*
@@drunk_famasmf5135 Ocelot: Oh, he's your uncle who was retconned in to fix a plothole.
Solidus: What?
In my opinion, Solidus’ character is one of the things that makes the ending of MGR better. Even though he was forgotten to history, by the end of the game Raiden fully commits to fighting for freedom while still being a killer, fully embracing the ideals of his adopted father
i honestly always thought solidus made armstrong a more interesting villain when stacked up against the rest of the series. both were government officials who despised the state of their own country and it’s politics but took action in different ways
if they ever make sequel to Metal Gear Rising
they should bring back some themes connected with Solidus, like another of his student or something as main antagonist
i always thought they should turn sam into a cyborg like gray fox to bring him back and have him fight Raiden using Solidus's swords in a friendly bid to get his Murasama back@@jacek107ify
and that's exactly why Solid is the true good guy, not Solidus
@@esteboi3858 at least Solidus fought for democracy though, Armstrong fought for Social Darwinism. obviously there are parallels but Armstrong's position is intenable compared to Solidus'
I could listen to you analysing characters from literally any piece of media for hours !
I remember on twitter some UA-camr was saying how Solidus is an underwhelming villain who is unmemorable an forgotten by the fanbase.
Reading this (even though he probably just meant he ahd a uninteresting personality) I thought to myself, wow he really did lose everything, the patriots erased his meme so well that he was reduced to mcguffin in mgs 4 and not many remember him to this day which maybe unintentionally has such a strong meta-narrative behind it.
Think of it from a game runtime perspective. I don't know the MSX games well enough to comment, so let me compare _Solid 1_ with _Solid 2._
Liquid was introduced, if not counting the briefing, within the first few minutes of _Solid 1,_ and was shown at various points throughout. Even Ocelot was introduced around a fifth of the way through _Solid 1._
Solidus, on the other hand, was introduced in a post-credits scene in _Solid 1,_ but was never seen, and never spoke. He was completely absent for the first fifth of _Solid 2_ (as he hadn't resurfaced during the Tanker chapter), and wasn't introduced until almost halfway through the Plant chapter; other than the -Hind D- Harrier fight, he wasn't seen again until _Shadow Moses 2: Torture Boogaloo,_ then not seen again until the voice over and eventual appearance in the Pooper section of Arsenal Gear. After the RAY battle, Solidus gets some stage time until the scene becomes dominated by Liquid Ocelot, and Solidus is relegated to the same status as everyone else, listening and responding to Liquid. Sure, Solidus tries to shoot Liquid, but that's about it until the rooftop fight. Liquid, In _Solid 1,_ got the final car chase, and FOX-Die end sequence. When the rooftop fight is done, Solidus is never seen alive again, and doesn't appear at all until halfway through _Solid 4,_ where, arguably, he has more impact on the story as a corpse than he does in all his living appearances.
Liquid, Ocelot, and Liquid Ocelot are much more dynamic villains than Solidus, to the point where an Ocelot of some kind is in all five and a half _Solid_ games, and Liquid appears (in an argued living state) in three of the five and a half, and even gets significant time in 4 as Liquid Snake, with the discussion of his genetics. Solidus is introduced, chopped up, chopped up some more, then basically forgotten.
Many thanks for this illuminating video. Seriously, even years later, I still find out more pieces of Metal Gear lore that I didn't know, and the intricacy of Solidus' design and role within the greater story is a thing of beauty.
26:48 - 26:58 Well, the game revealed that the body was Solidus from the beginning of Act 3 as it is named *Third Sun*
A1: Liquid Sun > Liquid Snake
A2: Solid Sun > Solid Snake
A3: Third Sun > Third Snake
A4: Twin Suns > Twin Snakes
A5: Old Sun > Old Snake
Debriefing: Naked Sin/Son > Naked Snake
If you're paying attention when the body is burned, you can see the left eye is destroyed instead of tge right.
Solidus is actually my favourite of the snake bunch, with BB being my second favourite.
Even considering he has very little screen time in MGS2 and pretty nothing outside of it he always felt like the Snake with the biggest and proudest Goal, sure he did some terrible terrible things, but I can't help but admire him in some way.
Even just his desire of wanting to be remembered, so simple yet so meaningful.
Also his English VA's performance is one of my favourite's in video game history.
Imagine a world where MGS2 isn't virtually censored, and it's released months prior to the 9/11 not the way around.
I can definitely see JP dub psychopath Solidus committing war crimes and mindbreaking children more than the ENG version tbh 💀
It’s pretty weird that you didn’t talk about the song that plays during the Solidus vs Raiden duel. It’s a pretty good song and does have some themes going on like the title which is Father vs Son or how at the midway point, there’s that distorted beat that comes on which sort of symbolizes how it initially went from a Solidus vs Raiden fight to a Solidus vs the Patriots fight as that distorted beat overpowers the other instruments sort of like how the Patriots are censoring the song itself.
"They got my eye!..."
"Vamp, go!"
I always knew the face model bit without really knowing it; you can really tell in the eyes
Solidus: All I ever wanted was a gay robotic son in 6 inch pumps with a cool sword... Just like my Japanese anime...
Raiden: Yeah that's not happening.
Fast forward...
The memes Jack... You've become the meme
The snake on the flag is a more direct reference to the “Join or Die” political cartoon
Is this man gonna eventually make a Library of Ruina/Project Moon video or something cuz he can't just keep teasing me dangling Roland in my face all the time?
this is this and that is that
@@MetiNotTheBadGuyMETI. PLEASE. YOU CANT KEEP DOING THIS TO ME. ( actually yes you can please do )
Man I wanna play MGS2 so bad but the Master Collection is weeks away from launch
Already know this will be good
He said on graphic novel that George Sears was an alias he used while he was president
Outstanding job!
Oh my goodness, I haven't heard that Streaking Mode game over song in years. Still makes me laugh.
Big Boss' Most Loyal Triplecrosser: Revolver Ocelot
It's ironic that Gray Fox killed Naomi's parents and took her in..
Solidus kills Jacks parents and takes him in..
Both Frank and Jack we're brainwashed at a young age..
Frank was forced to become a Cybernetic War Machine..
Jack chose to become 1..
Both always fought for what they believed in..
Both are considered friends to Soild Snake.. Dear Friends honestly..
17:54 Solidus's Suit specs and Katans remind me of things to come in Metal Gear Rising.. Kind pre dates it.. Since he took on Multiple MG Ray's singlehandedly.
Raiden didn't choose to become a cyborg. He was also forced to by the Patriots.
I think Solidus Snakes character design is one reason to make him (at least to me) forgetable. I think Yoji Shinkawa and Kojima went astray with the living metal and exoskeleton designs. This is my personal gripe though.
But as older i realize what he was used to tell story wise. A.i using Solidus and others is so good story to this day and age.
Excellent video! Learned a lot things, even the design reason for Solidus's exoskeleton!
Love your metal gear content
Ah yes! I was waiting for this, I absolutely love this character. Such a shame he is so underrated. Thank you for making good content!
Still dreaming one day we get Meti Ruina video
I don’t think I truly understood MGS2 until this video- even playing the game for myself, I missed so much context.
Great video Meti
Loving the content boss 🫡
y'know I kinda miss the edits at the start of these videos. I remember your older Solidus video from 6 years ago and I really liked the opening you made for him
Great Analysis of am Amazing Character
Looking Back
There Are So Many Great Concepts and Metaphors Here
Always thought he was an amazing character, great vid
8:30 The irony of them giving him a strong stance against eugenics after they created him in the pursuit of eugenics.
How many times do I have to tell you? Use Twin Snakes for MGS1 scenes!
Solidus's voice actor is so good
I love metal gear do more please ❤❤❤
Oh I catched that Roland at the beginning, it'd be pretty interesting albeit possibly long videos about Library of Ruina(Technically also Lob corp since that's where the Sephies and Angela came from) characters.
His suit and design are perfect I think.
The snake on the Sons of Liberty flag is meant to be a reference to the political cartoon that shows the states divided into many pieces. I don't think its meant to reference the "Dont tread on me" snake but you can make that assumption.
Another Metal Gear vid, trully wonderfull
YES BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE!
The crazy part is that we have 0 way of knowing if meti is indeed, not the bad guy
Please do Eva and Ocelot. Glad you did this guy again. I loved the first one and this is also a great watch!
Please do one for Meryl 🙏
Moar Metal Geer
Waiting for dedicated Project Moon video! I'm on the verge of distorting!
I feel so sorry for Solidus. He just wanted to leave behind a legacy, but the way he was taken out in MGS4...
Mgs 4 was strange.. mgs 1 2 and 3 are the best.. and liquids voice is not in mgs4.. so many things are wrong in mgs4
The fight agaisnt determinism is whatBerserk is all about
Good video
21:44 SUNDOWNER JUMPSCARE
00:00-00:02 this sound is from Silent Hill. I believe, 3. It plays upon running the game.
great video
How cool would it have been to have David Hayter voice Solidus and Solid? I mean Hayter can already do an old man voice as seen with Old Snake. But I guess it really is one if those things that was lost in translation.
Fantastic video.
Now I wait for the Gene & Ursula/Elisa videos. Especially the masterpiece of Gene's voice acting of the likes of Steve Blum.
My favorite enemy.
I'm wondering now if Konami might one day release a "definitive edition" of Metal Gear Solid 2 that has all the cut content you mentioned.
A lot of time has passed.
I have a figure of that man. I woulda voted for him
16:56 I would argue that it was most famously used by the men and women of Stargate Command, but maybe that's just me.
Jaffa, Kree!
@@wizkidgamer9942 Shal'kek nem'ron
Freedom is a belief not a goal this is why all the MG antagonists fail.
Oh hell yeah! Thats my father!
ROLAND JUMPSCARE
It's sad we didn't see more Solidud after Metal gear 2
Buddy I got bad news for you
@@SeanBonJoviii my bad I thought it was solid not solidus
I see that you're using some library of ruina essentially in the opening. Hopefully if it interests you you can probably do some character stuff for That game and the others within the project moon universe
Great video brahhh
I guess there was no comfort in the strings for him
Hey meti[ not bad guy] i really love your video my Request is beauty of shino sosaki aka mandalay from my hero academia video
What's the puppet and bloody dice footage from? It looks interesting
it's funny that the final boss of mgs game centered about raiden is ex-president and president candidate
PLEASE DO A ROLAND ANLYSIS
Roland jumpscared me, i am not ready for his reception again
Metinotthebadguy thanks to you I have understood more deeply the element of design filosophy and lore behind a lit of chracters that have become my favorites among further inspection. Im glad you had been so dedicated and passionate about thecontent that you make and I want to say thanks for giving me the inpiration and motivation to make some original works for myself in my free time. If you get to read my comment I would like to request a chracter who I would like to see you make a video of in the future, that chracter being ultraman. Any version from whatever media you prefer is fine since there have been many iterations. I would like to know more about his design inspiration and history since it is a classic character that I liked since childhood but never new much about besides the most recent netflix shows that star a modern reimaging of the original.
Now that's a pretty MEME~
Anyone else randomly thought about Mother Base resembling Big Shell when you really think about it?
Would you cover mario zuccero please?
Are you planning on making a video about roland from LoR?
Masterpiece
This Sawdust guy sounds pretty cool. You're pretty good.
Look man, your videos are really cool, and man, the Chansaw Man ones are perfect, but like, could you make a video of Asa Mitaka because an analysis of her would be really cool and interesting, so take this comment into consideration, please
Please Meti, can you do a " the beauty of mario zucchero ", I think it was the only character in part 5 that you didn't make a video about, I love this style of video.
BABE WAKE UP, METI MADE A VIDEO ABOUT SOLIDUS SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you do a video about Roland from LoR?
So, a guy dressed like a tentacle monster fighting against a shadow government that wants to censor the world ... I love this game
Although Solidus is my least favorite Snake, he is much bolder in his approach in trying to take down the Patriots. He was a villain and revolutionary. Very mixed feelings about him. But I was happy when Solid Snake in the comic cut him down.
The funniest thing is even with the new-age internet definition of "meme", Solidus is still one of the least memed characters in the series and the most famous one involving him is still just a question about his identity (No, that is NOT solid snake). Not to mentioned he's the least talked about snake as well. Even in the meta he was doomed to be forgotten.
Have you made a video like this for solid snake ?
Hey, perhaps you could for a fun video idea, look into what are the metal gear rising character’s stands would be…!