In the books the smugglers are one of the many important factions operating on Arrakis , they deal with distribution of spice and other goods while operating out of the purview of the Guild. If the game is set on Dune then it makes sense they are one of the choices, to leave them out would make less sense. Also House Ordos is never even mentioned in the books it has been made up for video games/fan fiction etc...
True-ish, I think House Ordos was mentioned in the Dune encyclopedia as a member of the Landsraad, but they are otherwise not mentioned. I think they should've made Tleilaxu a faction instead, would have made more sense.
Ah Dune 2, My favourite memory of it. House Atriedes on the final level. The Harkonnen's eventually wiped me out, bar one little Fremen. He was just inside the main HQ and shot at it until it blew up. Game won! Thankyou my pixelated Fremen friend!
@@SymeonPhronema Dispatching units at a time. Magnificent. Then warcraft came along and you could drag and select mutiple units. Ahhh - good days. God I loved Dune.
Ordos were a House made up by the Westwood Studio based on a name "Ordos" in the index of houses, since this One is based on the movies I suspect they might not exist, unless they pull a Northgard on us and create all lesser houses for future DLC.
Not true. If you Google "houses of landsraad" you will find the name in that list (there are loads). In fact it seems Westwood used the wrong coat of arms for house Ordos.
@@smoothjamie4046 yes, thats the index I stated, the information on Ordos is superficial. Westwood did a good job in developing it. And FYI I did read the book, theres no Ordos in the story either.
Had a lot of fun playing Dune 2000 as a kid, then i played Emperor battle for dune, which was so far ahead of its time. I am going to be playing this, i guess.
You must be mad, it was a pile of crap. Boring, Uneventful rubbish. The only people who would describe that movie as good are kids born in 2000 who've never seen a decent film.
I bought it. Although still a bit sober, it's a lot of fun in my opinion. I do find it weird that every sector has a village (really? On a desert planet?) But for gameplay purposes i can understand it. I do miss the grander scale of the books. Like the different planets and other Houses. BTw Ordos were a fantasy made by Westwood into a game. Originally form the Non-Canon Encyclopedia. They are NOT in the books. The smugglers are in the books. :)
In fairness, there were a lot of Sietches on Arrakis but only the Fremen knew they were there. The Harkonnens and the Empire at large vastly under estimated the Fremen population.
@@spartacus3111 Yes, but that is not my point. Sietches are also in the game APART from the towns. You get raided by Fremen and you can trade with them, which is a different thing than owning towns, which you can upgrade with buildings. Actually there are a lot of towns, and only a few sietches in this game. Which is weird.
The main reason I was excited about this game is that the atmosphere reminds me of the film and the old Dune 2 game by Westwood, although it's completely different. I lost my Dad a week ago unexpectedly and with all this grief, I need this connection with a brighter past.
Ahh memories of Dune 2, running over troops with my harvester. I had some all nighters with that game. Off topic, just noticed, Trigon: Space Story is out (the FTL clone)
House Ordos was basically an invention of Westwood studios, iirc it was mentioned in some notes of Herbert’s but never in the stories, they wanted a canvas they could work with rather than something from the lore.
Hi I don't usually do the early access thing but been wanting to play a good RTS game. Have the devs abandoned it now or is it still on the way to being a successful release?
I think the Ordos were invented or were a very very minor (never mentioned in the original books) to be a 3rd faction in the Westwood RTS games. The smugglers did exist in the books, and functioned very similar to the Ordos (a house of crime of smuggling) But I do wish Atreides were blue and smugglers were green, for old time sake
Why are there units firing blasters around, where in books almost noone uses them because of the risk of nuclear-like explosion if you hit the shield with blaster?
They're using projectile weaponry. It's only lasguns that cause nuclear explosions when they hit shields. Also, there aren't really shields in the game which is kind of sad - but this DOES make sense, because you can't use shields sin the desert without attracting worms.
@@FlawedFabrications Imagine trying to balance lore accurate shields. Either regular projectile weapons do nothing or lasguns basically cause a nuclear detonation.
I get the sneaking suspicion Mainstream Computer Entertainment has utterly stagnated the advancement of gaming as a whole. I just fired up Rise of Nations not to long ago. I played it when it first came out and thought "man, i cannot wait for the future and what they could accomplish with something like this." Wtf is there today? Mobile gaming ported to PC... Awful industry.
Yup. I'm 31 and busy with irl. But when I have time to play it's mostly old games. Currently playing Kotor 1.they just don't make games like thst anymore
Here's my personal hint to make the game a bit more interesting and fun: consider turning up sandstorms and worm frequency up. They're pretty rare in the base game and rarely affect the outcome of anything important, so they're just kind of... There. If you turn them up, it's slightly more engaging because you're more likely to have these events actually matter, and it makes the world feel more dangerous. The only downside is you have to spend more time pulling your harvesters out of the desert, though there IS a setting to auto do that at the expense of a slightly lower spice gain rate.
If you're a reader at all Mack, you should read at least the first Dune book. It's tough to get into but the payoff is huge. And you'll learn who the Smugglers are.
House Ordos was not in the books/movies/etc. The smugglers were more a class of people than an organized group I can see how they can be made into a faction like a sort of thieves guild. I was bummed that this wasn’t like Dune2000 but I’ve never really tried a game like this so maybe I’ll check it out. One question though, was there any storyline?
Honestly don't get why they went with "smugglers" and not CHOAM as a faction. Or try to follow in the footsteps of the board game and have the Bene Gesserit as a middle-man faction who gets a "assisted" victory if they can manipulate the win condition in their favor.
@@GremlinHunter CHOAM is strictly a neutral trading institution. It wouldn't make any sense for CHOAM to be a faction in the game, because every other faction makes their spice sales to CHOAM
@@Adrian-mw7us Although it was CHOAM who funded the venture with the Sarderkar and House Corrinos attack on Arrakis with the Harkonnen. I also recall it was CHOAM that forced the end of the war because they knew Paul could destroy Melange production. CHOAM might not be a house in the Landsraad but they are still a company and have their own agenda, even if "neutral". Kind of like the Bene Gesserit in some instances.
The new Dune movie is incredible you need to watch it Mack. I was surprised at how good it was and it stuck to the source material which was unexpected too. I cannot understand why it isn't given more attention but then people watch the Kardashians so maybe it requires too much imagination for most people.
Truly was a great movie, difficult to follow when i first watched as i knew absolutely nothing about dune prior. But i think it won like 6 oscars and received tons of nominations so it does seem to be getting good attention. Hope the second movie builds and does even better
I love when the comentator gets carried away and starts talking crazy, gets the angry sherif picture, then he has to calm him self down with a bell ring. Pure gold.
Dune 2000 was basically a Dune 2 remake. I played mostly Emperor Battles for Dune who was one of the first fully 3D RTS and arguably a sequel to Dune 2000.
@@KeimpeJ Of course it’s lacking, there just no way to fit that much world building and content into a movie without it being as big of a mess as the first one was
@@AsSiMiLaTeD77 The older movie was actually fine. It explained enough to create a convincing political landscape with key players. You really didn't need to have read the books at all. I think people are exaggerating how 'bad' the older movie was. It was actually pretty cool. The new Dune though... very much crap.
OK, I'll say it. I love the David Lynch film. I've watched it countless times since first seeing it on video in 1986. It inspired me to read the books and buy those early Dune games. Yes, the film might have annoyed me if I'd read the books first. The new film is technically better but lacks the passion of the original and the less said the better about the gender swapping of a secondary character who they then barely used and in fact used incorrectly. It just comes across as ticking the woke box for no reason what so ever. It's not like there are no strong women in the book: Gaius Helen Mohiam, Jessica, Chani, the Shadout Mapes, Ramallo (Sayyadina), Irulan and Alia.
To be so mad about a fairly unimportant characters gender is pathetic. The character still played the same role and the death was arguably better than having her wander about delirious in the desert being scolded by the memory of her father for 10 minutes and then blowing up. that would have ruined the tone and pacing of the movie. Oh and Irulan being an example of a strong woman? yeah right
@@09tomforeman It strikes me that you are more triggered on this subject than I am. I just think it is wrong to ignore what the author wrote. Especially as they put less effort in the new version to show the character changing allegiance. I guess you know better than the author how his story should be told. I also gave a list of strong female roles and you cherry picked one of them. Despite that, Irulan is a core character through this book and the next. Strong character roles doesn't have to mean powerful forces for good. Are you going to suggest that she doesn't strongly influence the story going forward?
@@Dunk1970 if you say so fella. There are many things that both films missed or changed from the authors writing so that’s a poor argument. Kynes gender has no relevance to the story. the role stayed the same. And the character doesn’t change allegiance, Kynes always does what is best for the Fremen. ‘I guess you know better than the author’ - don’t be a child.. my point about Irulan wasn’t to counter your argument about strong women, I was simply disagreeing that she’s a strong woman. A strong character needs to have… a strong character. Irulan is never in control of her own life and is used by others. After the attempt on Paul she spends her life regretting her choices and trying to make amends. That’s not a strong woman
@@09tomforeman "don't be a child"? Resorting to name calling now are we when debating if gender swapping for no reason is a good idea. Very mature. As you point out, switching the gender didn't affect the story, except in a certain parentage aspect; Oh, and that the Fremen are a patriarchal society. They were just going to let Paul in and sacrifice his mother for her water. And if a Fremen wants another Fremen's wife, he can battle them to the death for her. It was a totally pointless thing to do. I'll rephrase what I've already said, that there are plenty of strong and lead roles played by women in the story. If there weren't many already then there would be as semblance of a case. This gender swap was nothing more than woke box ticking by the director. If you are now going to suggest that it is good to erradicate the patriarchy aspect of the Fremen for sexism reasons, shall we wait and see if they do the same to the Bene Gesserit matriarchy? I sincerely hope they don't as the woke blandification has done enough damage already. The fact remains that there was no point in doing it (no lack of strong female roles), and there are valid reasons not to do it (he was an authority figure in a patriarchy), therefore it was wrong and pointless to do it.
@@WorthABuyreviews i grew up on it back in the DOS days if i remember correctly. Or maybe it was already on windows 95... Pretty sure it was DOS. It's the game that made me fall in love with the genre and it's what started the golden age of RTS!
This looks promising - Liet being female is putting me off a slight bit as it doesn’t follow the book but I guess they’re sort of trying to prevent confusion for people who only watched the new movie… (which was great btw!)
Liet being man or woman is not a big deal of a change, really doesn't matter at all, if you read the book 1, you know what I'm talking about. I think because they got 3 male chars, and they wanted to get the movie vibe and put Liet as a woman.
@@Zalinho in book 1 it doesn’t matter much but it kind of messes up the prequels a bit (if I recall correctly it’s the ‘House…’ series by Brian Herbert); as said, it’s not super important it’s just a bit against canon…
@@Zalinho The ‘House…’ trilogy is entertaining but very different style and goes a bit too far with Vor’s longevity; the schools trilogy I found a bit lacking… there’s a few books they tried to stuff inbetween original Dune and Messiah, those were ok but forgettable. The jihad trilogy is also fun - Erasmus is just written in a fun way… haven’t followed the series for a while though - might be other books out. Anyway, if you get around to it enjoy but expect a very different style.
The Ordos were never in the books, they were a made up faction for the game. So I guess this time they decided to keep the spirit of Ordos without actually making the name up
Dune 2 was the best! 5 minutes for the first mission, 10 minutes for the second. Hell, where did the last 12 hours go? And realizing you can survive the nuclear strike on the final map was one of the coolest experiences I ever had in gaming. I'll have to have a look at this game. Any info on the developers?
Worms should be bigger and swallow more units at once. Needs more units and air fights. Units are bigger than villages. There is a lot more to be wanted from this game. Hopefully devs be active and update it regularly
The new Dune movie I thought was great though can get if it's not everyones cup of tea. You'd be happy to hear Mack that the director despises Marvel MCU movies as just trash movies, said they're 'cut and paste' movies that are turning us into Zombies, he's damn right
Dune 2000 was Amazing. Emperor Battle for Dune was one of my favorites. I was always a C&C and Westwood Studios fan. When I heard there was a new Dune game I was excited to look it up but this doesn't actually look as good as the old games. Was hoping for an updated classic Dune RTS.
This is exactly why i still hesitate to buy the game. I love dune 2000 game style but this just looks way more different. Reminds me of total war games mixed with civilization and sim city. I think i will wait for a real rts game about dune.
Smugglers are a pretty important faction, Ordos dont exist in the books, although Frank had no problem in the dune encyclopedia, so I guess they are canon and a House. Its muhc worse to still keep Liet as a woman, makes less sense considering its the Imperial planetologist and father to chani but hey. The game itself is just meh, highfleet ends up being a better dune game.
I would say although combat can be very potent I find that so far the alternate victory conditions come into play more often than outright killing people if only because most matches have 4 people. Early on at least 1 or 2 dudes end up getting killed then its a bit of a stalemate until someone gets econ/diplo/hegemony victory (that or someone messed up micro and dies army wise letting the other dude siege) but because there is less of a focus on just straight up rts combat the game plays a bit more slowly.
greatm the untis are as tall as mountains compared to the buildings and ofcourse there is the ''manpower'' thing again, ''build een huge army of THIRTY SOLDIERS'', nope maybe ill pirate this but its not even worth it from the look of this.
I can see the smugglers being the Ordos, as because the Ordos were trading guild specializing in sabotage - so I can see them as the smugglers. But the fact that the Attreides are green and the smugglers (read Ordos) are blue just triggers me...
LOVED Dune 2 as a kid, even though this is different, I am still going to check this one out looks fun. Also if you don't mind reading, check out the books!
I think Ordos is owned by EA still, and they can of course only use it if they also have the Dune license, so basically never seeing them again probably.
Lynch's Dune was bad, but I put it at a slightly higher rating than the remake. For as convoluted as the eighties version was it did a better job of explaining the Dune universe and to be real, besides better special effects the new version doesn't do anything better. That said, highly disappointed to hear this game isn't more along the lines of Battle for Arakkis.
Dune 2 & Dune 2000 were great... Precursors to C&C :-) Mac - Thanks for the great review. The new Dune movie was Great (as a fan of the original books) But the new movie covers roughly the first half of the first book (Dune).
I was waiting for this one. Great job Mack. Edit.... I was expecting something like Sins of a Solar Empire, this is not my cup of tea... looks like CIV games. Now if they did something like Dune 2 with the strategic zoom from Supreme Commander plus the full motion videos from C&C Westwood... just imagine the masterpiece of RTS that would be.
watched a few hours of game play and i think its still more sins than civilisation, villages change hands a lot and the neutral villages launch attacks etc
I really hope I misjudged this game. However, the faction choice is weird. The game also looks a bit shallow, almost like a interactive tabletop board game. And where are all those towns coming from? I can't remember that from the books. The Fremen live in caves.
@@jonahulichny9874 I've to take a look again at this game when it's more finished. I really like Dune and I really like to see the producers succeed with a good new Dune game.
i havent played the game yet so maybe im missing things but seems like it makes zero sense for ether the fremen or smugglers to be paying any kind of spice tax to the emperor. both operate outside the the empires jurisdiction. same thing if they interact with CHOAM and the landsraad.
i mean there is not enough information about them to build them as a definitive faction like dune2 or emperor: bfd does. Maybe the creators of this game wanted to stay closer to canon ;)
Lasguns are a big nono. Projectile weapons are used but countered by shields. So they have to use low velocity projectile weapons like needle guns to get through the shields but they get countered by armor worn under the shield.
My very first computer game was Dune in 1992. I was like 7. I never play games until they are fully released, but I bought this right now, supporting RTS and Dune in video games 100%. In 2022, Star wars is dead, Dune is the hope for us scifi nerds.
This is honestly pretty much just Stellaris with Dune coat of paint. Obviously it's a slight oversimplification, but it plays so similar that I think it's fair.
![Dune: Spice Wars - Fremen Gameplay - [2/2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WTk2XQ6q-M4/mqdefault.jpg)
In the books the smugglers are one of the many important factions operating on Arrakis , they deal with distribution of spice and other goods while operating out of the purview of the Guild. If the game is set on Dune then it makes sense they are one of the choices, to leave them out would make less sense.
Also House Ordos is never even mentioned in the books it has been made up for video games/fan fiction etc...
Wasn't Gurney Halleck a smuggler before meeting back up wth Paul?
McNelly, Willis E. (June 1, 1984). "GREAT HOUSES, THE". The Dune Encyclopedia. So Ordos was not made only For games
@@jarkkoasukas7287 When did you last read the book? I dont remember it being mentioned or playing a large role.
True-ish, I think House Ordos was mentioned in the Dune encyclopedia as a member of the Landsraad, but they are otherwise not mentioned. I think they should've made Tleilaxu a faction instead, would have made more sense.
Ordos are basically smugglers and they are in the lore. They were there before the games.
Ah Dune 2, My favourite memory of it. House Atriedes on the final level. The Harkonnen's eventually wiped me out, bar one little Fremen. He was just inside the main HQ and shot at it until it blew up. Game won! Thankyou my pixelated Fremen friend!
I loved Dune 2 ! It was my first RTS in the early 90s.
@@SymeonPhronema Dispatching units at a time. Magnificent. Then warcraft came along and you could drag and select mutiple units. Ahhh - good days. God I loved Dune.
Ordos were a House made up by the Westwood Studio based on a name "Ordos" in the index of houses, since this One is based on the movies I suspect they might not exist, unless they pull a Northgard on us and create all lesser houses for future DLC.
Not true. If you Google "houses of landsraad" you will find the name in that list (there are loads). In fact it seems Westwood used the wrong coat of arms for house Ordos.
@@smoothjamie4046 yes, thats the index I stated, the information on Ordos is superficial. Westwood did a good job in developing it. And FYI I did read the book, theres no Ordos in the story either.
@@smoothjamie4046 Ordos is just a fan made creation in the old encyclopedia. Its not cannon.
Emperor battle for dune was one of my first games I ever loved! Me and my friend still quote the units from time to time. What a game¬
I loved Dune II. My first RTS
same
@@WorthABuyreviews I'd love a re-release of both Dune and Dune 2 similar to what they did with C&C...
It's also Funcom...Meaning, it will never be finished. They'll throw some DLCs and call it quits.
Had a lot of fun playing Dune 2000 as a kid, then i played Emperor battle for dune, which was so far ahead of its time. I am going to be playing this, i guess.
Been replaying E:BFD recently. It's awesome. Just finished Atreides campaign. Definitely holds up. Runs on Windows 11 if you download the patch
the Dune movie was one of the best movies i seen in a long time, cannot wait for part 2
Since it did so well in the box office, part 2 will arrive in late 2023.
I found it really boring
Incredible Movie!
You must be mad, it was a pile of crap. Boring, Uneventful rubbish. The only people who would describe that movie as good are kids born in 2000 who've never seen a decent film.
Yes no gender politics or subliminal messages.
I bought it. Although still a bit sober, it's a lot of fun in my opinion. I do find it weird that every sector has a village (really? On a desert planet?) But for gameplay purposes i can understand it. I do miss the grander scale of the books. Like the different planets and other Houses. BTw Ordos were a fantasy made by Westwood into a game. Originally form the Non-Canon Encyclopedia. They are NOT in the books. The smugglers are in the books. :)
Dune 2 > Books which is why i failed school :)
@@WorthABuyreviews Hahaha. ;) All the best, mate.
Ordos were not made by Westwood
In fairness, there were a lot of Sietches on Arrakis but only the Fremen knew they were there. The Harkonnens and the Empire at large vastly under estimated the Fremen population.
@@spartacus3111 Yes, but that is not my point. Sietches are also in the game APART from the towns. You get raided by Fremen and you can trade with them, which is a different thing than owning towns, which you can upgrade with buildings. Actually there are a lot of towns, and only a few sietches in this game. Which is weird.
I still play Dune 2 on my phone today. This version of Dune looks like Civilization 6.
I liked Northgard as a casual RTS. Glad to see they made an enjoyable 4X based on my favorite sci-fi series!
Was gonna say, it has Northgard style of capturaing zones and being limited to what you can do in the zone
I wouldn't call Northgard casual at all =)
One of the most cutthroat multiplayer games I've played.
StarCraft is also casual on low difficulty ;-)
@@igorthelight Starcraft doesn't starve all my SCV population to death if I run out of vespene gas. ^^
The main reason I was excited about this game is that the atmosphere reminds me of the film and the old Dune 2 game by Westwood, although it's completely different.
I lost my Dad a week ago unexpectedly and with all this grief, I need this connection with a brighter past.
"The spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel."
- Princess Irulan, 'Dune'.
@daDriver more or less
@daDriver It goes straight up the nose
Bit like mushrooms here
Interesting tidbit--- pretty sure that line occurs nowhere in the novels. That is a "Lynch special" like the Weirding Modules.
@daDriver They eat it, drink it, snort it, smoke it.
Ahh memories of Dune 2, running over troops with my harvester. I had some all nighters with that game. Off topic, just noticed, Trigon: Space Story is out (the FTL clone)
"Talent Tree"... 😂😂🤣🤣 Bro that's called a goddam tech tree.
House Ordos was basically an invention of Westwood studios, iirc it was mentioned in some notes of Herbert’s but never in the stories, they wanted a canvas they could work with rather than something from the lore.
Hi I don't usually do the early access thing but been wanting to play a good RTS game. Have the devs abandoned it now or is it
still on the way to being a successful release?
The Scifi Channel miniseries is better than both movies, imo
I think the Ordos were invented or were a very very minor (never mentioned in the original books) to be a 3rd faction in the Westwood RTS games. The smugglers did exist in the books, and functioned very similar to the Ordos (a house of crime of smuggling) But I do wish Atreides were blue and smugglers were green, for old time sake
Why are there units firing blasters around, where in books almost noone uses them because of the risk of nuclear-like explosion if you hit the shield with blaster?
They're using projectile weaponry. It's only lasguns that cause nuclear explosions when they hit shields. Also, there aren't really shields in the game which is kind of sad - but this DOES make sense, because you can't use shields sin the desert without attracting worms.
@@FlawedFabrications Imagine trying to balance lore accurate shields. Either regular projectile weapons do nothing or lasguns basically cause a nuclear detonation.
PLEASE BE GOOD PLEASE BE GOOD
I get the sneaking suspicion Mainstream Computer Entertainment has utterly stagnated the advancement of gaming as a whole.
I just fired up Rise of Nations not to long ago. I played it when it first came out and thought "man, i cannot wait for the future and what they could accomplish with something like this."
Wtf is there today? Mobile gaming ported to PC...
Awful industry.
Yup. I'm 31 and busy with irl. But when I have time to play it's mostly old games.
Currently playing Kotor 1.they just don't make games like thst anymore
Honestly the only channel that comes anywhere close to succeeding Total Biscuits Legacy. They are big shoes to fill ,but keep it up and one day maybe.
I recall the first dune that starts as an adventure game and then becomes a tactical worm smash
Watched 80s dune again and it's still great
Spicediver's Alternative Edition Redux version of '84 Dune is phenomenal. I prefer it to the 2021 movie which had distractingly terrible casting.
Here's my personal hint to make the game a bit more interesting and fun: consider turning up sandstorms and worm frequency up. They're pretty rare in the base game and rarely affect the outcome of anything important, so they're just kind of... There. If you turn them up, it's slightly more engaging because you're more likely to have these events actually matter, and it makes the world feel more dangerous. The only downside is you have to spend more time pulling your harvesters out of the desert, though there IS a setting to auto do that at the expense of a slightly lower spice gain rate.
I usually micro one harvester until I expand to another spice location. Then I set them on auto with crew.
That you have to say you can not only rebind your keys, but all of them, shows what sort of a state the gaming industry is in
You had me at "spreadsheet."
lol
If you're a reader at all Mack, you should read at least the first Dune book. It's tough to get into but the payoff is huge. And you'll learn who the Smugglers are.
House Ordos was not in the books/movies/etc. The smugglers were more a class of people than an organized group I can see how they can be made into a faction like a sort of thieves guild.
I was bummed that this wasn’t like Dune2000 but I’ve never really tried a game like this so maybe I’ll check it out.
One question though, was there any storyline?
there's no story mode as of yet
Honestly don't get why they went with "smugglers" and not CHOAM as a faction. Or try to follow in the footsteps of the board game and have the Bene Gesserit as a middle-man faction who gets a "assisted" victory if they can manipulate the win condition in their favor.
@@GremlinHunter CHOAM is strictly a neutral trading institution. It wouldn't make any sense for CHOAM to be a faction in the game, because every other faction makes their spice sales to CHOAM
@@Adrian-mw7us Although it was CHOAM who funded the venture with the Sarderkar and House Corrinos attack on Arrakis with the Harkonnen. I also recall it was CHOAM that forced the end of the war because they knew Paul could destroy Melange production. CHOAM might not be a house in the Landsraad but they are still a company and have their own agenda, even if "neutral". Kind of like the Bene Gesserit in some instances.
Seeing this just makes me want Dune 2/2000 to have a remake even more.
If this is related to that one, to me looks like a crap compared to the old... It went animated style like EA ruined C&C and it's not my cup of tea :(
You deserve 1mil subs 👍 brilliant work mate
The new Dune movie is incredible you need to watch it Mack. I was surprised at how good it was and it stuck to the source material which was unexpected too. I cannot understand why it isn't given more attention but then people watch the Kardashians so maybe it requires too much imagination for most people.
lol :) Yeah am deffo going to watch it after playing this.
Just be prepared to watch many, many tracking shots
Truly was a great movie, difficult to follow when i first watched as i knew absolutely nothing about dune prior. But i think it won like 6 oscars and received tons of nominations so it does seem to be getting good attention. Hope the second movie builds and does even better
@@WorthABuyreviews Can we have a review of the movie after you've watched it dear Mack? :)
@@Magnumbean I 2nd this
I love when the comentator gets carried away and starts talking crazy, gets the angry sherif picture, then he has to calm him self down with a bell ring. Pure gold.
Dune 2000 was basically a Dune 2 remake. I played mostly Emperor Battles for Dune who was one of the first fully 3D RTS and arguably a sequel to Dune 2000.
But Mack.. where's the WORM?! ;)
Mack did you say hornicopter 😂! Just playing great video mate!
Mack you should watch the new Dune movie with some good surround sound! One of my faves of the last 5 years
As a reader of any book of Dune, i found it lacking almost in every aspect. But i am glad Dune media exists. ;)
@@KeimpeJ Of course it’s lacking, there just no way to fit that much world building and content into a movie without it being as big of a mess as the first one was
I shall
@@AsSiMiLaTeD77 The older movie was actually fine. It explained enough to create a convincing political landscape with key players. You really didn't need to have read the books at all. I think people are exaggerating how 'bad' the older movie was. It was actually pretty cool. The new Dune though... very much crap.
@@banterabc5135 it definitely will. Excited to see the other parts
This is Stellaris but looks 20x smaller
OK, I'll say it. I love the David Lynch film. I've watched it countless times since first seeing it on video in 1986. It inspired me to read the books and buy those early Dune games. Yes, the film might have annoyed me if I'd read the books first. The new film is technically better but lacks the passion of the original and the less said the better about the gender swapping of a secondary character who they then barely used and in fact used incorrectly. It just comes across as ticking the woke box for no reason what so ever. It's not like there are no strong women in the book: Gaius Helen Mohiam, Jessica, Chani, the Shadout Mapes, Ramallo (Sayyadina), Irulan and Alia.
To be so mad about a fairly unimportant characters gender is pathetic. The character still played the same role and the death was arguably better than having her wander about delirious in the desert being scolded by the memory of her father for 10 minutes and then blowing up. that would have ruined the tone and pacing of the movie. Oh and Irulan being an example of a strong woman? yeah right
@@09tomforeman It strikes me that you are more triggered on this subject than I am. I just think it is wrong to ignore what the author wrote. Especially as they put less effort in the new version to show the character changing allegiance. I guess you know better than the author how his story should be told. I also gave a list of strong female roles and you cherry picked one of them. Despite that, Irulan is a core character through this book and the next. Strong character roles doesn't have to mean powerful forces for good. Are you going to suggest that she doesn't strongly influence the story going forward?
@@Dunk1970 if you say so fella. There are many things that both films missed or changed from the authors writing so that’s a poor argument. Kynes gender has no relevance to the story. the role stayed the same. And the character doesn’t change allegiance, Kynes always does what is best for the Fremen. ‘I guess you know better than the author’ - don’t be a child.. my point about Irulan wasn’t to counter your argument about strong women, I was simply disagreeing that she’s a strong woman. A strong character needs to have… a strong character. Irulan is never in control of her own life and is used by others. After the attempt on Paul she spends her life regretting her choices and trying to make amends. That’s not a strong woman
@@09tomforeman "don't be a child"? Resorting to name calling now are we when debating if gender swapping for no reason is a good idea. Very mature.
As you point out, switching the gender didn't affect the story, except in a certain parentage aspect; Oh, and that the Fremen are a patriarchal society. They were just going to let Paul in and sacrifice his mother for her water. And if a Fremen wants another Fremen's wife, he can battle them to the death for her. It was a totally pointless thing to do. I'll rephrase what I've already said, that there are plenty of strong and lead roles played by women in the story. If there weren't many already then there would be as semblance of a case. This gender swap was nothing more than woke box ticking by the director. If you are now going to suggest that it is good to erradicate the patriarchy aspect of the Fremen for sexism reasons, shall we wait and see if they do the same to the Bene Gesserit matriarchy? I sincerely hope they don't as the woke blandification has done enough damage already.
The fact remains that there was no point in doing it (no lack of strong female roles), and there are valid reasons not to do it (he was an authority figure in a patriarchy), therefore it was wrong and pointless to do it.
Well said! I’m not even going to watch the woke Dune 1 & 2 movies.
wth! everyone knows the evil harkonnen are red, the insidious ordos are green and the noble atreides are blue!!!
Ah yes this is the truth of Dune, your source of fact is the same as mine - Dune 2 :)
@@WorthABuyreviews i grew up on it back in the DOS days if i remember correctly. Or maybe it was already on windows 95... Pretty sure it was DOS. It's the game that made me fall in love with the genre and it's what started the golden age of RTS!
Mac, how the hell do you review this game without mentioning the best part: you can ride a freaking sand worm as Fremen.
Loved dune 2 on the Amiga
Didn't talk much about the sandworms Mack...This is Dune!
This looks promising - Liet being female is putting me off a slight bit as it doesn’t follow the book but I guess they’re sort of trying to prevent confusion for people who only watched the new movie… (which was great btw!)
Liet being man or woman is not a big deal of a change, really doesn't matter at all, if you read the book 1, you know what I'm talking about. I think because they got 3 male chars, and they wanted to get the movie vibe and put Liet as a woman.
@@Zalinho in book 1 it doesn’t matter much but it kind of messes up the prequels a bit (if I recall correctly it’s the ‘House…’ series by Brian Herbert); as said, it’s not super important it’s just a bit against canon…
@@irbaboon1979 Thanks, didn't read Brian Herbert books yet, but I must in the months to come.
@@Zalinho The ‘House…’ trilogy is entertaining but very different style and goes a bit too far with Vor’s longevity; the schools trilogy I found a bit lacking… there’s a few books they tried to stuff inbetween original Dune and Messiah, those were ok but forgettable. The jihad trilogy is also fun - Erasmus is just written in a fun way… haven’t followed the series for a while though - might be other books out. Anyway, if you get around to it enjoy but expect a very different style.
Amigo, you're the best... Dig on your reviews!!! Cheers from the other side, the far side, on the pond.
This is shaping up to be my personal game of the year.
The Ordos were never in the books, they were a made up faction for the game. So I guess this time they decided to keep the spirit of Ordos without actually making the name up
Oddly enough, the Ordos had green color in the game while Atreides were blue.
Yeah makes sense, but still annoying :) they were my favourite faction.
Fremen's leader Liet Kynes being a female was an invention as well... since he is a male in the books.
(they changed that for woke reasons...)
Dune 2 was the best! 5 minutes for the first mission, 10 minutes for the second. Hell, where did the last 12 hours go? And realizing you can survive the nuclear strike on the final map was one of the coolest experiences I ever had in gaming.
I'll have to have a look at this game. Any info on the developers?
Are you going to review Terraformers? Looks like a game you'd like.
Yes it looks fun, got a few more to do first though
@@WorthABuyreviews Wonderful.
do they have the big worm?
Mack, don't know if you've already covered this in a video but how come you still play at 1080p?
Why not
Worms should be bigger and swallow more units at once. Needs more units and air fights. Units are bigger than villages. There is a lot more to be wanted from this game. Hopefully devs be active and update it regularly
Do you think the games become tedious and samey after like 15-30 mins?
The unit variety is supposed to quite low?
I haven’t read or seen the movies, would that matter playing this?
Does the troops have a ranking system like Command and Conquer?
The new Dune movie I thought was great though can get if it's not everyones cup of tea. You'd be happy to hear Mack that the director despises Marvel MCU movies as just trash movies, said they're 'cut and paste' movies that are turning us into Zombies, he's damn right
Funny that he made a comic book movie.
@@TheClassicalSauce oh which one was that?
@@omnisciency Watchmen.
WAIT... NO CO-OP? Even LAN? What a missed opportunity. Would have loved playing this with the lads.
It is planned but no one knows when they will release the multiplayer function.
Dune 2000 was Amazing. Emperor Battle for Dune was one of my favorites. I was always a C&C and Westwood Studios fan. When I heard there was a new Dune game I was excited to look it up but this doesn't actually look as good as the old games. Was hoping for an updated classic Dune RTS.
I should clarify I think the game looks fun in it's own right but not what I was hoping to see.
This is exactly why i still hesitate to buy the game. I love dune 2000 game style but this just looks way more different. Reminds me of total war games mixed with civilization and sim city. I think i will wait for a real rts game about dune.
was hoping you would do this review I was on the fence
payday soon so I might treat myself
you got old megs number?
give us an emperor battle for dune remaster pleaseeeee
this looks like fun and not too complicated like most 4x games gonna def give it a try
Have they said if they are going to make it multiplayer?
Smugglers are a pretty important faction, Ordos dont exist in the books, although Frank had no problem in the dune encyclopedia, so I guess they are canon and a House. Its muhc worse to still keep Liet as a woman, makes less sense considering its the Imperial planetologist and father to chani but hey. The game itself is just meh, highfleet ends up being a better dune game.
I've always wanted a remake of Emperor: Battle for Dune. I was curious how alike this might be, obviously not very.
I would say although combat can be very potent I find that so far the alternate victory conditions come into play more often than outright killing people if only because most matches have 4 people. Early on at least 1 or 2 dudes end up getting killed then its a bit of a stalemate until someone gets econ/diplo/hegemony victory (that or someone messed up micro and dies army wise letting the other dude siege) but because there is less of a focus on just straight up rts combat the game plays a bit more slowly.
"There are no satellites over Arrakis, the Atreides will die in the dark." - Baron, DUNE Part 1 (2021)
This looks like it will be fun to play. Especially old school "LAN" style with a friend.
Mac - It has the Multiplayer button in the MENU too so at the release ww will have multiplayer too. GREAT Review
great to hear that it's a good game, I was expecting it to be not so great. I'll have to check it out when it comes out now. Thanks, Mack.
It seems pretty mid.
greatm the untis are as tall as mountains compared to the buildings and ofcourse there is the ''manpower'' thing again, ''build een huge army of THIRTY SOLDIERS'', nope maybe ill pirate this but its not even worth it from the look of this.
It’s abstract like that to make the game easily readable. It makes the game better, not worse.
@@jonahulichny9874 i respect your opinion but it still looks like shit.
I always get physically ill when people who play rts games, cant figure out how to hold down the shift key.
I can see the smugglers being the Ordos, as because the Ordos were trading guild specializing in sabotage - so I can see them as the smugglers.
But the fact that the Attreides are green and the smugglers (read Ordos) are blue just triggers me...
They released a DLC with the Ixians that are basicaly the Ordos in Dune lore.
Mac was waiting ONLY FOR YOUR review :) ..BTW have you played "Dune battle for Emperor"????
LOVED Dune 2 as a kid, even though this is different, I am still going to check this one out looks fun. Also if you don't mind reading, check out the books!
Is there Active Pause?
It is only single player for now, they said it would be multi soon, like end of quarter 2 I think
needs a space element to it imho, your relationship with the spacing Guild and off planet markets is essential
I think Ordos is owned by EA still, and they can of course only use it if they also have the Dune license, so basically never seeing them again probably.
I've seen so many episodes of this and I still have no clue what he says at the start.
"Let's read the words of the words of the developer"?
Lynch's Dune was bad, but I put it at a slightly higher rating than the remake. For as convoluted as the eighties version was it did a better job of explaining the Dune universe and to be real, besides better special effects the new version doesn't do anything better. That said, highly disappointed to hear this game isn't more along the lines of Battle for Arakkis.
How is it not an RTS? Or do you just mean its not a turn-based RTS?
Heresy!!! saying the movie from the 80's is a bad movie! HERESY!!!
Dune 2 & Dune 2000 were great... Precursors to C&C :-)
Mac - Thanks for the great review. The new Dune movie was Great (as a fan of the original books) But the new movie covers roughly the first half of the first book (Dune).
They mentioned Multiplayer will come in the future :)
I think ordos was invented for the rts's, so probably don't have the rights to use them. The smugglers are in the books so makes sence to add them.
I was waiting for this one. Great job Mack.
Edit.... I was expecting something like Sins of a Solar Empire, this is not my cup of tea... looks like CIV games.
Now if they did something like Dune 2 with the strategic zoom from Supreme Commander plus the full motion videos from C&C Westwood... just imagine the masterpiece of RTS that would be.
watched a few hours of game play and i think its still more sins than civilisation, villages change hands a lot and the neutral villages launch attacks etc
I really hope I misjudged this game. However, the faction choice is weird. The game also looks a bit shallow, almost like a interactive tabletop board game. And where are all those towns coming from? I can't remember that from the books. The Fremen live in caves.
There are special map locations called fremen encampments if I remember correctly. Separate from the towns.
@@jonahulichny9874 I've to take a look again at this game when it's more finished. I really like Dune and I really like to see the producers succeed with a good new Dune game.
Only four factions? What about Corrino, Space Guild, Bene Gesserit, Tleilax, Ix, and Jews?
i havent played the game yet so maybe im missing things but seems like it makes zero sense for ether the fremen or smugglers to be paying any kind of spice tax to the emperor. both operate outside the the empires jurisdiction. same thing if they interact with CHOAM and the landsraad.
Lynch's Dune was bad, but I fucking love it anyway.
I showed it to my gf recently. She couldn’t believe me that I seriously enjoy that movie. 😆
Ordos are sort-of 'non-canon' .. they are mentioned in maybe 2 places that they exist and that's it..
i mean there is not enough information about them to build them as a definitive faction like dune2 or emperor: bfd does. Maybe the creators of this game wanted to stay closer to canon ;)
I wish this was a command and conquer style game that followed the story of the first book and included filler that did not violate cannon.
As far as I understand, House Ordos is not considered canon I'm afraid. Used to love the 3 houses in Dune 2 and 2000
Why are they shooting guns? Been a while since I read Dune, but I thought guns were a no-go.
Lasguns are a big nono. Projectile weapons are used but countered by shields. So they have to use low velocity projectile weapons like needle guns to get through the shields but they get countered by armor worn under the shield.
My very first computer game was Dune in 1992. I was like 7.
I never play games until they are fully released, but I bought this right now, supporting RTS and Dune in video games 100%.
In 2022, Star wars is dead, Dune is the hope for us scifi nerds.
Mack I bought it a couple days ago on launch, the first time I haven't needed to request a refund in a long while :)
Also, upvote on the Dune 2 proper remake idea!
This is honestly pretty much just Stellaris with Dune coat of paint. Obviously it's a slight oversimplification, but it plays so similar that I think it's fair.
Whoever controls the Spice controls the UA-cam algorithm!