The Great War Western Front Review - RTS and Turn based strategy
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Relive the Great War, you can't do any worse than the Generals of that time.
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0:00 - I like the picture of *the general on the left!* 😂
Black Adder WW1 series best WW1 series ever am i right worthabuyguy.
observation balloon's mack not barrage balloons , barrage balloons are used as passive deffence against Aircraft
The war ended in 1919 with the treaty of Versaille. What happened in 1918 was an armistice, which is why the 11th of November is called armistice day .
Technically yes, but in that logic WW2 is still raging today. Some participating countries still have not officially signed a peace treaty.
@@davy9247 Nice invention of an argument...
This actually looks like a good game, would be nice to see them fix a few of the problems Mack mentioned.
True!
We should never buy any game at day one ;-)
This sounds like a game of 'Risk' combined with an RTS set during the great war time period.
A lot of RTS reviews have trouble staying under 45 minutes long. Glad to have Mack over here playing all manner of titles to let us know if its Worth a Buy! Cheers!
The Treaty of Versailles, which ended World War I, was signed on June 28, 1919.
If you consider when the last shot was fired, the war ended in 1918. Otherwise you'd have to consider the Korean War to still be ongoing. It's just a technicality imo.
The war on the western front ended in 1918 technically but officially 1919 i didnt say otherwise , however the ripples from the conflict continues in the east in Russia latvia Estonia and across Greece and turkey to name but a few until 1923 costing another estimated 12 million lives , 60 thousand British troops left the front and were sent directly to fight the communists in Russia
Generally war strategy games go for longer than historical.
@@blooperman1997 No - it is the end of the War - as recognised by Law. It is not a technicality. Or else you could argue that VE Day was wrong because there was still limited fighting until the 11th May.
@@NickGarrott VE Day is a holiday brother, not an international treaty. The actual treaty is called the German Instrument of Surrender. Hostilities effectively ceased the day the document was signed, with limited and sporadic fighting occurring on a tiny scale over the following days due to miscommunication/reprisals. It's a very different situation from what happened in WW1 and the Korean War, which is why it's pretty much universally agreed to have ended in 1918 and 1953 respectively.
Brought this up on your livestream. We also covered it, good to see your take!
I really like the thematic coherence in this game - the star system really carries the motivation of each meter of land mattering more than a thousand soldiers (until your supplies run low), which was after all the defining thing of WW1. Other wargames in the era encourage the player to overvalue manpower (and for the record: I mean that solely in the context of simulating the thinking of WW1 leaders!) whereas this game does a great job of illustrating just why human waves and immeasurably high casualties were accepted for even minimal territorial gains.
Perfect review! Finally someone who loves real war games reviewing this game. Understanding the nature of WW1 warfare not suppose to be a fast pace game. You should do Combat Mission Normandy next.
When I first started this game, I found myself losing or cease firing a lot because I cared about the lives of the troops too much, the amount of death in this game is shocking, its even more insane is that this really happened, I fought battles over a trench and lost the same amount of men that the US lost in the entire Vietnam war.
Yeah I think thats why it's cheaper to buy troops during a battle than fire a shell, you get so used to hurling a few thousand men into the enemy trenches and then simply replace them, I do it in the last segment of the video, throwing men to them forward trenches knowing they will die but it's useful to hold up the enemy so my rear trenches can massacre them, thats WW1 for ya.
usa hasn't REALLY been involved in world wars
@@davidjr4903 not sure why'd you say that my own grandfather fought in the battle of the bulge. I brought up the Vietnam war because the losses that we were sustaining in that war was ripping at the fabric of American society imagine if that was happening in every single battle we fought.
@@Edward135i look at the numbers of usa soldiers and battles in world wars
now look at the Russian and german and French numbers
i say it because its the truth
@@Edward135i Also the fact that little old north Vietnam beat usa is just hilarious, imagine if usa had to fight a real world power ... yikes
Thanks for the review was looking forward to this
Awesome review! I'm deep into Warno and Men of War Assault Squad 2 at the moment but this looks like a great game for when I want another RTS fix.
Thanks for showing the game Mac, I share your interest in the topic. I'll have to buy this one
My kind of game! Thanks for the review Mack.
Thank you Mack, I'll have to take a look at this game now.
Glad ya doing a review on this. I was thinking about getting it.
I am so engrossed in Snowrunner at the moment
You mean you are stuck? Sinking in to much time and you end up with a muddy brain after a long session?
@@Bambeakz oh no, that I love the game. I bought the DLC when it was on sale. Im a retired disabled vet so I have a ton of time...
and snow runner is a great time sink. I like timesinks since im on a budget and want to get moneys worth when I buy something
Liked immediately just for your intro Mack, very sad indeed.
The remake of All Quiet On the Western Front sums it all up well.
Thanks for another nice review. Looks interesting...
Your comments on commanders & leaders are true at the start of war but as it finishes, commanders are incredibly competent & fight from experience.
Basically, WW 1 boils down to, if it didn't work the first 4 times, try it again 15 more times, it'll work eventually. Or the other side will run out of poor bastards to throw at the enemy.
Luigi Cadorna furiously taking notes...
@@unstableordinance Conrad Von Hotzendorff looking over his shoulder and copying
You should check out Spacebourne 2. A HUGE scifi game made by a single person. It's being compared to what Starfield is saying it will be
It looks interesting but buying Early Access is a huge risk
@Chemy Shawnart for early access there is a ton of game. He updates regularly. Plus it's pretty cheap
@@die-cry-hate It's cheap, but for the same price I can buy The Great War instead, which is a full release. So for an EA that's not quite cheap, though SpaceBourne 2 seems to be a bigger scale game than Great War so in the end price is debateable. At least I respect the guy putting his own name out there.
Also, while I know you mean "ton of game" as a compliment to the amount of content it already has, I also hear "scope creep", which is a bigger concern for indie teams than for AAA. We have plenty of games with a ton of content, but I'm looking for cohesive game design. If I want content for content's sake, Paradox has got me addicted to their crack.
Spacebourne is also an Epic grants recipient, which means his finances is largely influenced by a company that's currently famous for aggressively snatching games to be timed exclusives.
The last EA I bought was Foxhole, an indie multiplayer game with tons of issues yet the devs announced a new game 6 months after launch.
The last EA I ALMOST bought was Sun Haven, which released their 1.0 in a buggy state, then released another EA game 2 weeks after 1.0.
I've been burned too many times by EA, so no way I'm buying another one unless they have a demo, or 5 years of constant praises like Starsector and Dwarf Fortress. Or if my scifi addiction flares up again.
Glad you've reviewed this, in 2 minds about it....
All quiet on the western front is an interesting read, brutal war.
What a thumbnail hahahaha. That tash suits you Mac
Can't wait to see your review of Crime Boss rockey city 😆😆 the secret ingredient is Crime lol 😎😎😁
Hey you know, this actually looks pretty rad. I've never heard of it before either. Looks like I got a new game to play!
Gameranx described this game as a new command and conquer clone, game journalist are really going down the drain but thankfully we have you
That’s nuts. It’s nothing like command and conquer…
Gotta laugh at the intro image!!! brilliant
I have a question, because historically the defender in ww1 had a massive advantage; is a mostly defensive strategy always the best choice in the game? Or is there a mechanic that encourages the player to attack? Thanks so much for the review man! Your the only game reviewer I trust ❤
Yes, sometimes as in my first go at the campaign I lost a key hex, they surrounded it as my defence failed, I had to get it back at all costs so my defence strat turned to offence. Defending is very risky as you don't gain ground as easily as the attacker and ground = money = supplies but if you can pull it off the enemy will go bankrupt as the people of that country object at the huge casualties and essentially stop paying for the war.
historically the defenders were at a disadvantage, psychologically and overall. They got heavy shelled, meanwhile troops moved forward through attack trenches, undable for the defenders to pin point, especially since the defenders had to hide in the mines when shelling was with mid to heavy shells and not light shells. and then the attackers threw grenades on mass into the trenches to clear them after the shelling, and then tried to storm them. The problem for the attackers, was that the defenders could retreat to 2nd trench line or the attackers couldnt really move forward because of 2nd trench line and had to retreat if the attack wasnt an overwhelming success, thats why the lanes didnt move. Breaching 2nd line was difficult and sometimes there was even a 3rd line. also they often used gas against the defenders (it was never effective against attackers) some hours before the shelling. so yeah, defender in 1st trench line was pure horror. thats why the troops never stayed very long in the 1st line before they got a few day break in the back of the trenches. And yes i am reallly interested in 1st ww, so if i made a mistake or got more info, im really happy :)
Attacking can result in more losses so your national will is reduced. But if you take the opposing 'capital' then that doesn't matter. Or you could try and attrite your way to victory. It's an interesting dynamic
I would love to have these type battles available in a game like Hearts of Iron 4.. maybe with a simplified strategy overmap, but with more scaled combat like this.. a strategy/rts hybrid.. would make a great game imo
Some kind of tie in between War in the East II and Combat Mission would be cool
Nice to see another game based on ww1
@Worth A Buy Would have been good to mention that the maps are changing and dynamic as you fight through the seasons and the defenses expand over the years - I think the game really hits the nail as to simulate WWII but still keeping it fun compared to other games (hmm ... hmm... BF1).
One question since I can't find an answer anywhere, does the game has multiplayer campaign ? if not are the devs thinking about bring it ? cause I will definitely buy it if I can play with a mate.
I did mention that the maps are persistent in that trenches you build remain and decay over time, I could have gone to more details with weather but showed that visually so I did not bother, it has multiplayer but not a campaign.
@@WorthABuyreviews :( that's a shame. Think I am gonna wait for a discount then. Thanks for the positive review and recommandation.
Cheers Mack.
Looks brilliant
The problem with the WW1 generals was that they didn’t learn any of the lessons of the Civil War, which already demonstrated the obsolete tactics of frontal attacks against entrenched defenses of machine guns and artillery.
From what little brushes I've had with senior military staff has taught me is that most are always prioritizing politics and avoiding blame over anything relevant to the battlefield.
How could they have learned such a lesson when machine guns and breech-loading artillery were not in common use in the civil war?
Gatling guns were definitely in common use in the Civil War.
Actually you are wrong...very wrong. Civil war happened 53 years before the WW1. And the Prussians did learn from it and applied it in the war against the Austria and the Franco Prussian war. 20th century brought the modern machine guns and rifles and long range artillery, it made calvary almost useless (not on the Eastern front). Almost nothing could have been learned from the war where rifles were muskets and cannons were so few and front so wide
@@DeltaAssaultGaming and there were maybe...5 of them per battle...vs 200 machine guns firing larger bullets and faster in WW1 supported by shitload of fast loading artillery guns and reconnaissance aircraft
this game looks legit amazing
Have you reviewed Grand Tactician The Civil War?
The really important question is did the game make you want to go over the top and charge the hun for king and country?
No
Will you be making a video on RE4?
No, probably not.
No point in lying, I am too dumb to play these kind of games lol. Great review!
Thanks
The background music in this video always reminds me of Band of Brothers.
Mack: The game got repetitive
WW1 with trenches and everyone just sit aroubd before doing another suicidal charge: Yes
I don’t think your assessment of the Great War is right. Tanks, aerial recon, fighters, bombers, armoured troop carriers, combined arms warfare. Small unit tactics….it might have started like the Franco-Prussian war, but it ended in the modern world. That’s one Hell of a learning curve to master.
I was sitting here in disgust that you were showing footage where you played as the French. Then I realized you were sending them to their deaths by the thousands.
Me to a British Streamer I watch: Only in this game would 12,000 losses still be considered a great victory
Him: They're just French, so it was practically free
“gets a bit repetitive” yeh that sums up the war
It is very good game. I'm playing with the Germans and I'm about to nail the British with their fish and chips where the sun never shines on them. .
There’s nothing cushy about life in the Women’s Auxiliary Balloon Corps.
Cmon they spent the rest of the war teaching young girls home economics
Will you be reviewing RE4 remake?
Regarding tactics... at the start of the war the French were actually fielding cuirassiers!
Hello Mack. Can you please review Terra Nil? Thanks
1:02 what a segue
One thing to mention is that this game is made by the same guys who made Star Wars Empire At War.
Ah! Nice!
That was a good game!
Except AI was a cheater xD
Game itself is still alive because of mods. Tons of mods!
Moustache Mack!? Shhhhtylish!
Hi Mack. When is resident evil 4 review coming?
Any plans on future DLC's for this game? Like Polish-Russian war during 1919-1921 would be epic
That's a completely different setting than the western front. Polish Soviet war was, for the most part, "poor man's manoeuvre warfare," so it would require completely different mechanics.
Sounds like a...
Hex raid mission, hex raid mission..hex hex hex...etc
I can see my house from here!!!!
hey mack, everspace 2 is out :)
Hey! Considering your comments at the start of the video about the ""incompetence and arrogance" of the Generals of WWI, I'd really suggest your reading Gary Sheffield's "Forgotten Victory." It sounds like you've bought into a lot of the 1960s-vintage revisionist history on the war which, ultimately, is disingenuous and was motivated by contemporary anti-establishment attitudes rather than an even-handed appraisal of the strategic options available to WWI commanders and their actual performance.
Mack, I hope you didn't get the frying pad for your rocking out on Sunday.
You gonna be reviewing Resident evil 4 mac? I usually agree with your opinion on games and I absolutely love this game. No game is perfect but I love the atmosphere and boss fights and just overall cool game.
He mentioned it a bit in his monthly update last month, check it out
Still waiting on something as good as Close Combat: A Bridge Too Far in this type of game.
I've found a couple of games over the years that come close but don't get it right. I've tried playing it from GoG but it crashes on my PC. :(
Are you aware of combat mission Normandy?
@@TimDutch yes, I have and it’s definitely the closest I’ve found. Unfortunately the scale is not quite right.. maps are too large and units too small.. even when you zoom in it’s an issue because then you can’t see enough of the map to make a difference etc. yeh, it’s close but not quite right.
@@light487 units and maps are historically accurate, so i would say they are perfectly right :)
@@TimDutch accuracy doesn't always make for good gameplay though.
Did you try Graviteam Tactics Mius front? It is not comparable to the old close combat games, but might scratch that WW2 RTS itch.
This biggest issue with this game is lack of explanation and the sheer stupidity of the devs to not add a multiplayer campaign.
"multiplayer campaign" = "coop", I think ;-)
Maybe they had no money for that.
Has Denuvo, so that's a big nope from me.
Should be a higher up comment
I saw this on steam yesterday. I love the concept but seemed too good to be true.
1:45 True, we can only fight exes that touch our own ex.
I want to be the Brits at Flanders, that’s it.
two things that p'ed me off from the start was if you are using a VPN, the game will only play offline and not allow you to play MP. If you enable mods from the Steam Workshop, Achievements are turned off. Not endearing to me from the start because of this, and Denuvo really makes your PC sluggish after closing down the game, and I'be heard that while the devs recommend you install on a SSD card, guys with the knowledge claim it wears out the card. I would believe that, as the other games I own with Denuvo all affect my PC after closing them down.
Anyway, the game is very repetitive, and once you have Mark IV tanks for the Brits and the equivalent for the French, thee is no challenge to the battles as they are just wrecking machines, which is not historical. 50% of the time they should break down.
R.o.u.s.e...Lol was expecting a big finish Underground bomb Mack attack.
They don't like it up 'em...
Whoo!
Mack, the lions led by donkeys thing is a complete myth
Yes the battle of the somme was pure tactical genius.
@@WorthABuyreviews It wasnt a catastrophic blunder either. It relieved Verdun, which was the primary objective anyway to stop a collapse on the French part of the front.
Did you know, for example, the British general staff suffered the most combat deaths of any army?
On top of that, British strategy actually was pretty innovative and successful, even moreso as the war went on and new arms were introduced, such as tanks and the aeroplane. Combined arms warfare was invented by the British in WW1.
@@WorthABuyreviews it was a strategic necessity and saved Verdun. Also, the French broke through in the South sector and had this opportunity been exploited, it could have been the grand breakthrough which ended the war
@@Jack-lb1hn 100,000 dead and over 52,000 in a day? Are you of difficulty of the brain?
Huh, WWI Total War.
Advancing as fast as an asthmatic ant with heavy shopping………
Maybe the game was fun to those generals back then too huh? Maybe it was fun to them too... :(
I was very disappointed with this game, it really just comes down to arty, charge, win melee. A ton of the tech you’ll never get to before finishing the campaign or just getting bored of the repetitive battles. They also made it seem like the battlefields were going to be persistent but the only thing that stays are the trenches. craters, bodies, MG positions, mortar positions, arty positions all disappear every battle. Another huge problem is in the battles in order to win you have to capture every point, I thought that if I captured 1 out of 4 or 3 out of 4 positions I would have those positions in the next battle. Nope they all go back to the enemy. Even if you capture 4 out of 4 points you still don’t win unless you have all stars on the campaign map. This leads to repetitive battles on the same battlefield nonstop.
She don't love and it's so sad. She don't love and it's so sad.
wait for sale
im suprised you didnt review re4
Will you review The Last of Us Part I?
Repetitive? I bet they thought that back then as well.
No review on Resident Evil 4?
Hail Him i know i know this is not ww2 but he should be hailed as he the zagOyim knew
Surprising fact: trench warfare casualties were more or less even between attacker and defender. The attacker would inflict great casualties on the defender with the initial artillery barrage. The attacker would then move forward and either fail to reach the defender's cleared trenches first, and suffer great casualties as a result, or barely be able to capture the trenches before the defender launched a devastating counter-attack, equalizing casualties. The problem faced by the generals was to find some way to break this pattern, since not attacking would counter-intuitively be quite costly.
Yeah my understanding is that most deaths in WW1 were by artillery barrages rather than anything else, so artillery being overpowered is kind of how it was during the war itself.
@@fishmanfairclough7530 True. The amount of artillery that were concentrated in preparation for an attack later in the war, and the amount of shells fired in the initial barrage, was absolutely massive. Not much left after that.
those chips under units remind me too much of ruse
are u going to review last of us on pc?
Mack has boycott the company that made it since they issued takedown notices to anyone who announced any news on the leaks of last of us 2
@@unstableordinance thats too bad since its a meme on PC, would be funny
Is it?
"Tanks are way to fast" - Shows video of tank going 15 mph lol
Tanks in World War I were capable of moving at a speed of 6 km/h (3.7 mph) at best, which was equivalent to the speed of marching infantry. In 1918, a lighter and faster type of tank called the Medium A appeared, which had a speed of 8 miles (13 km) per hour (Per Perplexity.AI)
@@oopswrongplanet4964 Send your copy/paste to the devs lol
this game need perfomance optimize patch.
AI will always be iffy when compared to a real person. But other reviewers all say that it is good as a rts ai. What's your opinion about this?
Comment for the comment gods
Like this game but not a fan of the AI's cheat. They never seems to run out of supplies and men during battles while I run out of steam in minutes....
haha, the end.
WW1 Generals were dicks :D
lol reminds me of the Mines in the Battle of Messines
A few people defending the Generals of WW1 some even saying how great they were, well I stand by my comments that for the most part they were out of touch, arrogant, ignorant and without any care for their soldiers, all they cared about was victory at any cost, providing of course it was not their own personal cost. Now am not talking about the brave officers that accompanied their men on the battlefield, we lost far too many of them, am talking about people like Haig who a lot of people think was a good General. This is the guy that totally dismissed the effect a heavy machinegun could have on people from point blank range and because of this he ordered a full charge at the battle of the Somme. In the first hour 20,000 men lay dead, any competent General...actually any competent person would have called off any further attacks, not Haig, he was totally responsible for butchering 420,000 men in that battle, he just would not stop attacking, thats almost half a million men.
Undeterred by these insane tactics he did it all again at the battle of Passchendaele, tbh imo this was even worse, we did not lose as many men but it was the way we lost them that is crazy. We lost 275,000 but it was blindingly obvious that we could never take the objectives but Haig kept throwing men at the problem in utter arrogance to the facts, he literally learnt nothing from losing 420,000 men at the Somme. To add insult he started executing thousands of our own soldiers whom he accused of desertion.
We eventually won the war not because Haig was some kind of tactical mastermind but because of even worse German Generals and the arrival of 350,000 Americans.
The German Generals were very competent, it was mainly the blockade of Germany by the British navy that won them the war, Germany was starving at the time of the American entry into the war. Also the Austro Hungary generals prob were some of the worst of all, such as Hotzendorf, and The Ottoman Empire was on the verge of collapse from the start
hey, leave our sausage factories alone!!!
Mack can we get a video on your thoughts of WW1, I reckon it is one of the most fascinating wars and WW2 in a lot of peoples eyes was simply a continuation of WW1 with a twenty year lull
Sure if you like this kind of thing, not my jazz really