Airsoft BBs does not run down the roof of barrels.
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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The increase in accuracy of lapped barrels, Can be contributed to the incresed “evenness” of the bore Down the lenght of the barrel, so lapping still has its place in Airsoft, no doubt
I am currently in the process of having clear barrels made, to Make more test and try other theories, it May take time so be patient 👍
Clear barrel and high speed camera I think would be a great ideia of putting this to test!
@@Winters11 i have clear barrels, but the camera for this kind of speed, is so expensive. So i did spraypaint, different powders and grease.
@@reflexairsoft4648 sooo where is the video? It's super important!
I have to admit, I knew pretty much none of this before this video. Very cool man. Keep up the good work
Hahahaha I found the exact comment you were talking about!!! That comment really messed me up good...I'm so glad i found your vid debunking this lol...top job man
"Some things about lapping: the lap must be softer than the work piece for the paste to embed in the lap. That's why it's working with your felt so there's no need to reason why it's hard. It wouldn't work if it was harder than the barrel.
People didn't just form the theory that BBs ride the ceiling because it made sense. HS5 coated the inside of a barrel with scribing fluid and fired 100 shots, then milled the barrel in half to find the ceiling had it's fluid worn off where the floor did not.
People were forming theories trying to explain that experiment, not just for the sake of theories. I think that video is still on HS5's channel: whatfor5
I've run bore cameras in many used barrels and generally I see impact marks in random patterns inside all. So to me it appears that the BBs are bouncing around in there. Having a properly lapped barrel does cut down on how much that reduces accuracy."
great content, learning everyday! thanks
Would you do that video again but at the end when you manipulate the barrel do it with a couple of bbs running down the top of the barrel (hold barrel almost horizontally but angle slightly so bb can travel down one (top) end of it, the we can see how bbs manipulate the graphite. Manipulating it with something else than a bb is confusing really
If the grafite was so easy to remove (bbs just rolling over it) then it would not stay in the barrel when shooting (would blow out)
The grafite was choosen for its abbilitys to say on the surface and not be blown off, but Can still be removed with a relative force.
Thank you for a great input 👍
DUUUUDE we need that clear barrel experiment! That would be awesome to see. Also...use ink or a dye + catch the bb's and inspect them for marks!
There are cases where you can see a mark on the barrel or even multiple marks; those aren't explained by this theory :/
Those marks all over the place is due most likely to you not having a perfectly lapped and concentric barrel. Without that, your BB may interact with the bore ever so slightly, causing those marks. Also full auto causes your gun to vibrate a lot, and the gun kinda resonates and that transfers to your inner barrel, causing more BB interactions with the inner barrel
@@FrozenByFire3 And since nobody has a perfectly lapped and concentric barrel, it does contact the top.
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im comin over from germany 4 to 5 times a year...❤
what im wondering about is,
i have 6.00 barrels on all my tm spec glock builds and cant picture the bb not touching the roof of the barrel🤔
i even have old madbull bbs from the early 2000s wich are 5.98mm...hard to grasp that thought of them having a bed of air around them traveling down the barrel....
good video tho
Nice you took the time and effort to test, but now comes what make a scientific test, science - the scrutiny. I am sorry, but this is no "prof" of what you are saying. Not a chance. So many errors on proceeders... From the maker you chose, to the way you applied it, to the lack of Hop Up adjustment, to the lack of a clear visual confirmation... You should:
-Adjust the Hop up and show that visually (shooting and showing BBs are going strait);
-Fire at least 100 shots;
-Fire horizontally;
-Using a better method of coating;
-Using a better method of showing how coat would be removed (show markers)
I am not saying what you are saying is rubbish. What I am saying is this experience doesn't support your conclusions.
So let me have a counter statement to your subjective statements.
100 shots. how do you come to the concluesion that that is the correct amount to fire? You do not know the product im putting in the barrel or the wear level of this.
Better methode of coating. As this is a demo vid, it is applied Quick but it has very good coverage still. I did ALOT off screen because i did not want the vid to be 30+ min long. And you do not know the coverage level of the powder, so how you Can state that covering is not sufficient is beyond me.
Fire horizontally. The gravity would in theory pull the bb lower in the barrel if held horizontally, so worst case would be slightly Down or “on its head”
Lack of hop, I tried every adjustmemt, even so much hop that it nearly jammed, just because it did not Make it in the vid, does not mean it was not tested.
The maker of any part should mean nothing, as the theory would apply to any maker of part, being barrel rubber nub gun.
The visuels are very difficult to capture on vid, and I spend my time testing (i clearly do not use my time on edits or effects) and i Think it showed very well how easy it comes off in the hop window
You are very rude for believing that you know how to varify a process and i dont. I have a masters in process validation, and follow my methology very strictly and it would be stupid of me to inclued it all in a vid, as people tent to watch 3-4min of my vids (according to my analytics) so to Make it move forward it has to be done quickly for the vid.
I already have had clear PC barrels made and tested them, sadly i do not own a cam that allow so high framerate so I have coated it with different types of powder, paint and grease. And the results are still the same as this vid.
And no what makes a test valid is repeatability, scrutiny is subjectiv points/findings that also needs verification
Have a good day, and thanks for the comment, no ill intent in my response.
Here again,
Your thoughts, then why is it that barrels need cleaning and re honing if the bb never touches the inner walls.
Not trying to discredit, just want your see your Arithmetic. Let's also assume the bbs are free of any foreign partials and the propellent used, weather it being gas,hpa,or mechanical, is also free from moisture or dust.
Friendly debate
Please see bore vid for reason for making better bore quality. 👍
Even the small imperfections made from eg oil or dirt Can effect bore diameter in a Way that it creates imbalance in the bb path
Also I never say it does not touch, in reality it would properly bunch a little when moving the gun fast, I State that it does not run Down the top 👍
But the BBs do touch the barel on right?
I say that because in the madbull barels you can see the white marks on the black barrel.they do came of with normal cleaning
they don't touch the barrel at all
I know the guy personally that made that original video, and let me tell you that it does not have much to do with his lapping service he was offering at that time, but rather about a heated debate that was going on in airsoft mechanics forums about the phoenomenon of bb's riding the top of the barrel whether its true or not. Lapping has a benefit wheter that effects exists or not. There is no bias there. Its sad that all those discussions and tests are gone now but there was other testing involved too with a clear barrel and high speed camera as well. But anyway, his test proved it, and sorry but this video is not very convincing in terms of methology. If you really want to test it scientifically right, you need to do it like he did, and use a full length barrel (at least 300mm), and cut the barrel in half the whole length after.
Please tell me what justifies his test as the correct way? He Cut the barrel off camera, no initial test of what it takes to remove er blue color, and not a single followup of the test, to have the bare minimum of a statistic you need 3 attempts. I work with applied verification test and methoeds on a almost daily basis.
Sure could have made my video 60+ min but people dont want to see that, I made so many test off cam, 5 different barrels, bb weights, fps, direction of the gun, moving it around when shooting, dry fired a full battery to see if the air alone removed the grafite powder.
Saying his test is scientifically correct just by having a 300mm barrel is mindblowing to me, but by that definition i also made a scientifically correct test as i tested barrels from 155-509mm.
I do not state that lapping does not have an effect, it does. But not by removing friction as a main component (as stated in some videos of his), more in affecting the bore evenness.
Please see my comments to “Bowman, the sniper” futher below in the comments on this vid.
Have a Nice day
@@reflexairsoft4648 To prove someone's test results as false you need to do the test the same way to see if you reach the same conclusion. Unfortunately all of the discussions and photos there are long gone now and only thing remains is that single video he made and it does not contain everything.
Just stating that he is lying and you not providing real counter proof with proper methology is not the right way to do it no matter how expert you think you are. Sorry to be blunt but it's how it is.
Did you at any point actually cut down the barrel length wise to see the results or did you just look down the bore as shown here? I think its very necessary to do that, and also use more hard coloured fluid like he did so you can clearly see the result. In this video its hard to see anything to make any real conclusions. You can talk all about physics and phenominons but practice shows whats the reality.
@@Maekiii it is the same test, fill barrel with removeble material (in this case it would be easier to prove the theory in his favor, as grafite is easier to remove than scribbeling fluid, and that was the point of my vid, to give the original video the best oppotunity to be proven correct, because that is what you do when you cant obtain the exact products being used in the original test.) and then see if material is being removed from the focus area. I did so many test, and far more than him (assuming here) and the vid is a recap, i could have just spoke about the theory, but took the time to Make a real time test, something that he did also not do. So if anything he was the one just talking theory, and just had a static outcome to show (a Cut up barrel).
No never Cut up a barrel, but have a bore cam at work that i borrowed when i tested to see if any of the variables (bb weight, hop, direction) made a difference, in a destructive test(cut up barrel) you cant do that.
@@reflexairsoft4648 Do you have the results documented somewhere of those extensive tests or is this video the only thing that exists?
I have a pre test protocol (reasons for and executions of test) and validation report of tests.
Hey man, I know we already talked in the different video from you but I just wanted to post here in case you dont get a notification.
I have just received the MAXX MODEL (blue edition from specna arms), LAMBDA barrel and mr hop 2021, before I got a chance to read from you that I should not even buy the MAXX, but here I am haha :D
Just...1 more question if I may. I read somewhere that I should have a nozzle length of 24,00 - 24,30 for MAXX + sr25 but the stock one is 25.00 for the CYMA one that I bought I believe. Do you know anything about that, will I have to change the nozzle too?
Hey man, sorry I dont get notifications 🙄 but yes you are correct that the nozzle lenght on aegs should be of a certain lenght for the maxx Unit, but its 21 to 21.5. The cyma nozzle lenght is 24.2 i believe
The cyma 98 (Long v2) is reinforced so the lenght of the nozzle is not “normal” because the gearbox is “thicker” but what matters is how far out the gearbox the nozzle goes.
Should i Make a UA-cam “shorts” vid to give you the right measurements for this?
@@reflexairsoft4648 All right, yea that would be awesome :) Also you maybe know for the Long v2 which one is the correct length? I might even mess up measuring that,,,
Hi there, sorry to bump in... MAXX also has a modifiable nozzle that you can adjust to different lengths, don't know if that helps to get the different from the hopup chamber and nozzle correct
Say it ain’t so!
ok now basically what you saying is the physical laws are not compatible with airsoft barrels,and the magnus effect is start working after bbs exit the inner barrel ?
Never said that, please see my "bore size" vid.
That the bb doesnt ride the roof is in fact due to physical laws working very well. the magnus effect is weak compared to the amount of air pressure accelerating it from 0-100m/s in the blink of an eye. if the bb gets too close to one side of the barrel, the difference in air pressure on the closer and farther sides pulls the bb toward the center. if you have a extremely tight bore the bb may actually touch the barrel before straightening out, but it should not show any tendency to ride the top without the LRB mod- that's why the LRB mod exists in the first place, isnt it? or else there would be no need.
@@theHSPCproject The difference in air pressure would be minimal.
Way to put that theory to rest. Great demonstration!