2017 12" has served me well. No issues and runs Ventura with latest updates. Use case is for browsing, UA-cam, streaming to apple TV, light coding etc. Virtualization even works on it for when I've booted Windows and Linux. I don't expect it to keep up with the latest MacBooks by any means but for a tiny machine in its final form its exceeded what I thought was capable and has been an excellent laptop.
2018 12" MacBook user here, Mine as well, no problems what so ever! Butterfly 2 keyboard works beautifully and preforms perfect for school, streaming sending and receiving all types of media, its a perfectly great laptop, super lightweight and still so beautiful
Got my 2017 model March last year, as a secondary mac to my m1 mba so that I have the ability to use apple configurator to restore/revive if needed since well I did run into needing it with the firmware getting corrupted (though also the dfu mode was completely toast so had to get board replacement.. couple weeks before warranty expired luckily). Tested and then used to restore after and DFU is fine since, so I got lucky. Windows 10 for me has given a new use to my 12" MacBook for me now that well.. I don't want to be online with it, it's a 2019 build of Win 10 minified down, kept in airplane mode and in battery saver mode.. and there I am playing visual novels on it with a 10 hour battery life.. compared to like 5 hours or so in Monterey, or 5-7 hours in Linux, also setting back to Sierra.. that made it run great with 6-7 hour battery. But Win 10.. with that 10 hour run time, absolutely impressive (though be it I'm talking about on minimum brightness as well). And the hibernation is a killer feature I so wish Apple and Linux had, well yea you got hibernation under macOS on intel macs set to hibernate after x amount of time in sleep, or on any mac setting to hibernate instead of sleep.. but you don't have the power option in the apple menu like you have on windows to just put into hibernation there and then. Biggest downside just continues to be the port selection. Like hey a micro sd slot would be huge for having more than the 256gb of storage for visual novels that are like 5-15gb each.. but well it's not like they're not like 50-80 hours each run time these visual novels so that space taken up sure goes a heck of a long way.. but would be cool having just *everything* installed rather than offloading whenever I'm done this and that VN to put others on. The Intel m3 sure isn't that much of a power house but one thing it certainly is able to achieve, being efficient as heck if you restrain it as such.. which I believe it's a 40 or so Wh battery inside? So that's like 4 W power draw the way I'm using it with no heat at all. All the whilst being x86 so has the benefit that whilst most visual novels I've tested worked just fine under WineSkin through Rosetta on my M1 MBA.. but do get those that don't run at all, that crash or at least take a lot to get running, and even worse regular Wine under Linux.. even worse with box86/64 added to the mix, so straight up Windows on x86, a lot of hassle saved.. along with again just the hibernate feature is just so so damn much of a huge win. Though.. does still depend on the optimisation of the engine said visual novel runs on whether it's as efficient, but then the one playing right now which isn't so efficient GPU usage wise.. refused to run in WineSkin or Whiskey nor I'd assume through Wine through box86/64. But yea if the VN is efficient then so is it extremely efficient playing on this.. And well.. that said VN that's more heavy on the GPU.. the main thing actually is it making use of the GPU more whilst not in battery saver, aka whilst on charge, resulting in more heat and slower charging. Followed from reddit post "How to enable "Battery Saver" mode on Windows 10 while plugged in?".. to disable performance boost mode, set energy saver to aggressive, and charge level on power like I've set on battery to 100% so it's always active. And some few other settings.. and now it's working really nicely being more or less the same not boosting the amount of power being eaten by the VN when on charge. Windows is certainly annoying but damn it does have some very high level control of how power behavior is.. when you enable them at least through regedit.
bought this endearing gold MacBook in 2015. Through the thick & thin of uni life, the machine served me well mainly because of its portability. This thing is light that even the charger is 'sexy'. My friends' chargers were generally bulky but mine, even my pocket is capacious. I cannot argue with its performance but my life was about academia so I have no problem. As long as it streamed my movies and submitted my assignment, no biggie-ed. Switched to M2 MacBook Air this year, that was a transformation!
what was also interesting as well, sure the MacBook weren't retina yet, but they weren't that far off a MacBook Pro, CPU wise, where as the core m's were awful in the MacBooks. but then when they refreshed MacBook Air they had their own issues due to weaker chips and lack of fan
You’re totally right. If we got an an M2 MacBook in this style but with a scissor switch keyboard that would be such a nice laptop for portability! Great video man
I often find my M1 Macbook Air being just a tad bit too big for comfortable transportation. But I guess Apple decided that nowadays we should use iPad for this role.
Yeah, if they used a binned M3 chip that's no good for anything else and maybe an OLED, it would tempt me into wanting one. Reminds me of my old netbook. Fond memories.
The font issue is because Apple was in a weird transition that year between using Myriad Pro (old font) which also varied between semi-bold, medium, and thin and Apple’s in-house “San Francisco” font (new font). The packaging on their products at the time was reflective of this too.
Not only this, but the logo for macOS Sierra still used Myriad Pro, even though it was released in 2016, and the main font of the OS itself had been San Francisco since El Capitan the year prior! You can see it on the Wikipedia page for macOS Sierra-it just looks so bad compared to San Francisco. But I'm biased-I think San Francisco is the best sans serif font ever created
Had exactly the 2015 model, id agree. Had to repair it way too much until i gave up. The latter year models seem to be a lil more reliable tho and id love to see apple revive this form with an m2 chip and thinner bezels, cause it was amazing to use due to how small and light it was
i had a teacher in high school who, even today, STILL uses one of these! admittedly, it looks like a newer mac, but when i noticed the high sierra dock i was like "ok..."
I have the 2017 MacBook and it’s really pretty good. It’s slow obviously by today’s standards, but having looked after it i don’t have any issues with condition or reliability. I really love it’s size. Completely agree that an apple silicone version would be so great to see. And what better way for Apple to show how much better their own chips are compared to the intel days.
I have one of these from 2015. I still regularly use it due to the form factor. If Apple release a version with M1 or M2, or even just the efficiency cores from one of them, I would buy it immediately.
Well, I sure dodged a bullet! Needed a new laptop in 2015, and agonized over which to get for months. It was between the Retina, and the 2012 MBP unibody which was still in production. I wanted all the ports and optical drive, but the other was cheaper. Lucky for me, one of the big box stores decided to sell the MBP unibody as a doorbusters item, only $900! And it didn't sell out! I went that night and they still had some left, my guess is people were like "2012, that's a dinosaur" not realizing it was still a current model (discontinued in 2016.)
The White Plastic Mac was so slow that it took 1 hour to do an MP4 Calculation, while the 2013 intel Mac took only 10 minutes to do the same Calculation
I actually want to buy one because of the design. I know the keyboard is bad and it’s not good for the long term but it’s such a interesting part of Apple’s history. It’ll be cool if they made a budget M1/2 version.
Funny how Apple's worsts are also debut all of the designs and features that future MacBooks will take cues from. First MacBook Air started the "ultrabook" market. MacBook 2015 also started a new design trend.
Coming from a typewriter, the butterfly keys made me type with less effort and noise. The 2nd ver of that keys made it feel better and design looks seamless like a touchscreen.
my mom had one of these but the 2016 variant. despite all the reliability issues ive heard, it miraculously lasted her 8 years until she upgraded to an m1 air. nothing died in her old macbook, except for the keys on the keyboard needing extra force to register and just feeling very off. more recently she complained of slowness and even asked if i was able to upgrade the ram in it to which i said it cant be upgraded. still, very impressive that it lasted her this long.
Wasn’t a thunderbolt port, just usb-c. It was meant as a replacement for the MacBook Air 11”, while covering the gap left by the absence of a base MacBook. I had one, hated specs, keyboard and just one port, but absolutely loved the portability.
A couple of corrections: The “Thunderbolt” ports on the early MacBooks are actually Mini DisplayPort. Thunderbolt didn’t come until 2011. The “Thunderbolt 3” port on the 2015 MacBook is actually just plain-Jane USB 3.1 Gen 1, not Thunderbolt. In fact, the 12” MacBook never received Thunderbolt even in its final revision in 2017!
My mom use to have one of these, and it stopped turning on, and apple support did not help us. It turned out to be a motherboard issue. This happened back in 2020. It is now in our basement stripped (Not really stripped, but I took a lot of components out and destroyed it. Clumsy me 3 years ago)
I had a white 2009 MacBook my grandmother gave me, and bought a white 2010 MacBook on eBay. The 2010 MacBook is slightly faster (2.4 GHz vs 2.2 GHz) and has a RAM maximum of 16 GB but was in poor cosmetic condition; the 2009 MacBook had lower specs but was in near-spotless condition. I ultimately combined these two MacBooks into one amazing, good condition version, with 16 GB of RAM and a 500 GB SSD.
I have a 2017 retina MB that I use for the basics. I also have an M1 Pro MBP that I use for creative work. These Macbooks are pretty easy to shit on, but the form factor makes it a huge win for people who don’t have to do much outside of the basics. I would kill to see Apple use binned last gen chips (currently would be the M1) on these and launch them at a lower price point instead of hanging onto the M1 air. I’d legitimately pay up to $1500 for one of these if it had Apple Silicon based on the space saving aspect alone!
I never had any problems with the butterfly keyboard, I do prefer the travel of the scissor switches, but the butterfly wasn't as awful for me as it seemed to be for most. I used that one port 12" MacBook when I worked for a newspaper and mostly only needed word processing and email. It wasn't as horrible as it's being portrayed here, but we all have different experiences.
I had the 2009 model and the Retina one and loved both ... for different reasons. The Retina version was insanely great for studying because it was so compact, the battery lasted for the whole day and it was powerful enough, even for some CAD in a Windows VM. The older one had a nicer keyboard, had a better selection of internal ports (for the time) and I still use it today as an network DVD drive.
8:06 it actually isnt wrong. the font on the 2010 and 2015 are also slightly different. the font on the 2015 one matches the iphone 6 and 6s which is 2014 and 2015 respectively. they changed the font for everything in 2016 to San Francisco which is still what they use today
I really hope one day Apple starts making budget laptops again, cause I love macOS, I grew up using a MacBook Air, but the price of their hardware is just too much for me, an average Brazillian, Apple is just a luxury brand nowadays. I know they will never do good budget stuff again, but one can only hope
Had one, literally sold it yesterday to buy a M1 Mac Pro. He really served me well until now, little fella still had it on him and will serve well his new owner!
In 2009 I had a 13-inch MacBook "Pro" with a 160 GB HDD, 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo and 2 GB RAM. At the same time my schoolteacher brother had a polycarbonate MacBook with a 250 GB HDD, 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo and 2 GB RAM. So far the Pro doesn't seem very Pro, does it? It's the connections that make the difference - FireWire 800, SD card slot, MiniDisplay port and resolution support of 2560 x 1600 for external displays on the Pro vs FireWire 400, Mini DVI port and external display resolution support of 1920 x 1200. I later increased the RAM on my Pro to 4 GB and fitted a 320 GB 7200 rpm HDD. This computer is still in use by a friend who equipped it with a 512 GB SSD and installed a version of Linux on it.
I remember wanting a Retina MacBook in 2017 back when I didn't know anything about computers. I just thought waow so thin. Looking back, I'm glad I got a MacBook Air instead, even though it had a much worse screen
also I agree with Apples naming scheme, not sure why they call the heavier macbooks the macbook air. They shouldve kept the 12 inch and named it the macbook air while changing thecurrent macbook airs to just the macbook. idk, I think the 12 inch Macbook is easily one of the best looking computers Apple ever built
I think my Powerbook G4 12 inch with 1.25 GB RAM, old keys and flash storage is probably better, or on par with the original Macbook 12 inch in terms of how it was built, and it can still run pretty well for a 20-year old machine. But I get the point of the Macbook and what it was supposed to be. Unfortuately, it just wasn't built well, originally.
4:43: A small correction. MacBooks, before the 2011 ones have a Mini DisplayPort connector, not a Thunderbolt one. Everything after/including the 2011 has a Thunderbolt port
for blowing massive amounts of air, I use a shop vac with a 2 inch diameter tube, converted into 1 inch, and then use a crevice tool. that shit can haul ass when it comes to air pressure
I have a 2019 Air which I believe uses the second generation butterfly keyboard and it’s not good but so far at least still works. They don’t seem to have the same issue the first gen had.
Great video👍 I wanted the 12in MacBook when it came out just because how tiny and portable it was. I didn’t get it and ended up just getting a m1 mba later.
I have my 2010 macbook rocking mojave (patched) and i have a black keyboard. I live in belgium, and this macbook has a very special story, when i bought it secondhand here locally, i glued feet on the bottom of the macbook so it stays nice :p my white model came from the USA, olleyvalley school district . . . It was locked to this school, and whenever you installed a macos version, it would make 2 profiles automatically, no mather what macos version it has! But i contacted the school and they removed it from their deployment thing. They never sold any macbooks secondhand, so it must've been stolen or lost and somehow ended up in my hands. The school was stunned that the macbook ended up here in belgium. I had a M1 pro macbook pro, but since i am a gamer, i got rid of it, i have an asus rog strix now and i didn't regret it one moment.
Apple probably tested the Apple Silicon chips in these laptops in 2019-2020 but they picked the 2020 Air because it's the one that suits most people's needs. I know the portability of this thing is still superior but the Air is so much similar to the Pro and is much more reasonable to have Apple Silicon than this thing. But the MacBook isn't a failure, it revolutionized the next generation design language of the newer MacBooks until 2021
They dont add many ports to the new ones because they want you to have the feeling that you could go from a laptop to desktop setup in 1 connection connected to a hub
It’s not a TB3 port - it’s a simple USB C port, which makes things even worse. Extremely slow 3.0 standard, especially when a hub is connected and the bandwidth is splitted.
My recent Mac gets dirty easily I’m worried I have to take keys off to clean off all the dirt. It’s impossible to clean without taking it apart. It catches fingerprints easier so I have to wipe down for moistness
I had 2 PowerBook 12” 2005, which still work, I had the MacIntels prior to the Unibody case, the Unibodys prior to the Retina, I have 2 MacBook 12” 2015 and 1 MacBook 12” 2019. They are great machines and already the PowerBooks showed that they could compete with larger diagonals (I did video editing while at work I used a Mac Pro to do it), and I continued to do it with the MacBook 12". Today's equivalent would be the iPad Pro 12.9”, which in landscape are 1mm wider, but cost twice as much, weigh twice as much, and remain a tablet without macOS. Comparing the 12” with the 13” means not understanding anything of what the purpose of a 12” is, which is an ultrabook and cannot be compared to a 13”, which is only a reduced 15”. I'm sure Apple won't do it anymore and that's okay, because to make miniaturised products it takes capacity and Apple shows that it doesn't have any, since it can't even produce an Apple Watch under 41mm anymore. It will remain the lightest and most portable Mac in history, and those who don't understand it will continue to buy that scrap iPad Pro, hoping that one day they will have macOS, or those stupid 6.1” iPhones.
Yup, I think that with the base M series chips and the scissor switches would be great. Hear me out: a MacBook lineup rework. Ideally I think, it will look like this: Starting at $1,000: MacBook - base M chips, options of 8 or 16 gb of ram, and 256gb or 512gb storage options, two USB C ports and a headphone jack Next tier up will be the 13 inch and 15 inch Macbook Air. Same current configuration options but give it three or four USB C ports. Headphone jack retained. Then the 14 and 16 inch Macbook Pros at the highest tier. Same configuration option. Same loaded port selection. Ideally I’d have the base M chip option removed for the pros and start them with the M Pro chips (so at the time of writing this, the M3 Pro), but Apple probably wouldn’t do that cause then the Macbook and Macbook Air in this scenario would eat the sales of the MacBook Pro models.
That white MacBook does NOT have a Thunderbolt port: it's a MiniDisplay port and can only handle video unlike Thunderbolt which had a port of the same shape and the 2015 MacBook's single port is USB-C, not Thunderbolt.
I think it is a mistake to say that pretty much everything is USB C nowadays. Most of the mice are still powered by USB-A as well as flash drives and other peripherals. Most of the people I know regularly carry a dongle with them to plug everything in.
I’ve always wanted the 12 inch MacBook as a writing laptop. I’ve yet to have one but it seems like it’s just as bad as the MacBook Pro 2017 which I had for 5 years.
My wife has one of these. It sucks! Amazingly the keyboard still works, but it's slow as hell, the battery is now dying and it also just randomly dies like this one. The screen has developed a weird fault which makes the brightest areas go darker. To get around this you have to turn on night shift permanently, and then counteract it with a colder white point in the colour calibration. Not sure why it fixes it, but it does. Even without these faults it's still a very flawed machine, the keyboard is one of the worst I've used and I don't like the feel of the haptic trackpad.
I actually just upgraded from this exact same model to the m2.. The 2015 started complaining when I'd run UA-cam. It could be the only safari window open, not even fullscreen.. and it would constantly urge me to close the window. However, FWIW, the thing was always reliable and generally did what I wanted it to. Only ever got one stuck key as well. Had to pop the key off the clean the spec of nothing out of the mechanism. getting those keys back on really sucks. Anyway, I never had any major issues with the thing for its first 5 years. I did regret upgrading the OS.. That definitely cost a couple performance points. The m2 absolutely embarrasses it though. In my defense, I did find it gently used in 2016 for about half of it's original cost. Its main purpose was also meant to be media consumption and it did (still does) have a pretty great display. The fanless aspect also made it a great laptop to watch in bed.
6:25 On the Production team at my church. Every Tuesday im up there programming lights and as im editing things into the app we use to schedule services everyone can hear me. I have a 2017 Macbook Pro and I don't got the money to get a new one. Everyone else has a Newer macbook and can work quietly as they hear my keyboard going CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK. (me spamming backspace key because I didn't notice one of my keys was jammed and i missed a ton of letters) And to top it off only one of the two of my usb c ports work so I carry around this annoying usb, hdmi, sd card hub thing around with the laptop all the time.
It’s kind of a shame that Apple Silicon came out too late to save this form factor. I think Apple would rather focus on the iPad than make a small MacBook again
The 2015 Retina 12" MacBook also had a lower powered Intel processor than the 13" or 15" 2015 MacBook Pro (PS: I actually have a 13" 2015 MacBook Pro with Retina Display)
i dont share your hatred the slightest…imo all your issues come down to the 2015… i have the 2016 its not the fastest thing, but its by far my most favorite pc ever and the only one i take on trips along an ipad pro! the macbook air is just not that portable vs the 12 inch which is just amazing!
wait, the 2015 ones got stuck at Big Sur? Are you telling me the 2015 11 inch air got 1 more year of support, while being cheaper and much more reliable? I guess the screen is a lot nicer and it does weight a couple grams less... I don't think it would've been worth it. Nowadays, I find the 2017 interesting, mainly because that has the hardware needed for sidecar, my 11 inch air doesn't
Weird to complain about reliability for this specific device you purchased when you knew it had liquid damage. You didn’t seem to account for this for some reason and still opted to mention reliability. I had one, the Core M7, and it was a really great machine for what it was at the time. Perhaps if you picked up a better spec machine and one without liquid damage, you’d get a better experience.
2017 12" has served me well. No issues and runs Ventura with latest updates. Use case is for browsing, UA-cam, streaming to apple TV, light coding etc. Virtualization even works on it for when I've booted Windows and Linux. I don't expect it to keep up with the latest MacBooks by any means but for a tiny machine in its final form its exceeded what I thought was capable and has been an excellent laptop.
I’d say you got your moneys worth!
2018 12" MacBook user here, Mine as well, no problems what so ever! Butterfly 2 keyboard works beautifully and preforms perfect for school, streaming sending and receiving all types of media, its a perfectly great laptop, super lightweight and still so beautiful
Got my 2017 model March last year, as a secondary mac to my m1 mba so that I have the ability to use apple configurator to restore/revive if needed since well I did run into needing it with the firmware getting corrupted (though also the dfu mode was completely toast so had to get board replacement.. couple weeks before warranty expired luckily). Tested and then used to restore after and DFU is fine since, so I got lucky.
Windows 10 for me has given a new use to my 12" MacBook for me now that well.. I don't want to be online with it, it's a 2019 build of Win 10 minified down, kept in airplane mode and in battery saver mode.. and there I am playing visual novels on it with a 10 hour battery life.. compared to like 5 hours or so in Monterey, or 5-7 hours in Linux, also setting back to Sierra.. that made it run great with 6-7 hour battery. But Win 10.. with that 10 hour run time, absolutely impressive (though be it I'm talking about on minimum brightness as well). And the hibernation is a killer feature I so wish Apple and Linux had, well yea you got hibernation under macOS on intel macs set to hibernate after x amount of time in sleep, or on any mac setting to hibernate instead of sleep.. but you don't have the power option in the apple menu like you have on windows to just put into hibernation there and then.
Biggest downside just continues to be the port selection. Like hey a micro sd slot would be huge for having more than the 256gb of storage for visual novels that are like 5-15gb each.. but well it's not like they're not like 50-80 hours each run time these visual novels so that space taken up sure goes a heck of a long way.. but would be cool having just *everything* installed rather than offloading whenever I'm done this and that VN to put others on.
The Intel m3 sure isn't that much of a power house but one thing it certainly is able to achieve, being efficient as heck if you restrain it as such.. which I believe it's a 40 or so Wh battery inside? So that's like 4 W power draw the way I'm using it with no heat at all. All the whilst being x86 so has the benefit that whilst most visual novels I've tested worked just fine under WineSkin through Rosetta on my M1 MBA.. but do get those that don't run at all, that crash or at least take a lot to get running, and even worse regular Wine under Linux.. even worse with box86/64 added to the mix, so straight up Windows on x86, a lot of hassle saved.. along with again just the hibernate feature is just so so damn much of a huge win.
Though.. does still depend on the optimisation of the engine said visual novel runs on whether it's as efficient, but then the one playing right now which isn't so efficient GPU usage wise.. refused to run in WineSkin or Whiskey nor I'd assume through Wine through box86/64. But yea if the VN is efficient then so is it extremely efficient playing on this..
And well.. that said VN that's more heavy on the GPU.. the main thing actually is it making use of the GPU more whilst not in battery saver, aka whilst on charge, resulting in more heat and slower charging. Followed from reddit post "How to enable "Battery Saver" mode on Windows 10 while plugged in?".. to disable performance boost mode, set energy saver to aggressive, and charge level on power like I've set on battery to 100% so it's always active. And some few other settings.. and now it's working really nicely being more or less the same not boosting the amount of power being eaten by the VN when on charge. Windows is certainly annoying but damn it does have some very high level control of how power behavior is.. when you enable them at least through regedit.
Best way to describe the butterfly keyboard is every key is a power button.
A power button with very short travel
I think my power button has more travel
especially since every button has the power to break and ruin your computer lol
bought this endearing gold MacBook in 2015. Through the thick & thin of uni life, the machine served me well mainly because of its portability. This thing is light that even the charger is 'sexy'. My friends' chargers were generally bulky but mine, even my pocket is capacious. I cannot argue with its performance but my life was about academia so I have no problem. As long as it streamed my movies and submitted my assignment, no biggie-ed.
Switched to M2 MacBook Air this year, that was a transformation!
what was also interesting as well, sure the MacBook weren't retina yet, but they weren't that far off a MacBook Pro, CPU wise, where as the core m's were awful in the MacBooks.
but then when they refreshed MacBook Air they had their own issues due to weaker chips and lack of fan
You’re totally right. If we got an an M2 MacBook in this style but with a scissor switch keyboard that would be such a nice laptop for portability! Great video man
I often find my M1 Macbook Air being just a tad bit too big for comfortable transportation. But I guess Apple decided that nowadays we should use iPad for this role.
@@OmegaEnvych I’ve heard they working m3 MacBook Pro 13 inch stil
Yeah, if they used a binned M3 chip that's no good for anything else and maybe an OLED, it would tempt me into wanting one. Reminds me of my old netbook. Fond memories.
De current MacBook air M2 is similar feeling with dis 12inch MacBook, even bétter.
And more usb-c ports
I have one of these, bought it new with maxed out specs. It’s a very niche market, and I am within that niche. Still use it today, no regrets.
I OCLP'd my 2015 MBP and it's still working like a champ on Sequoia.
The font issue is because Apple was in a weird transition that year between using Myriad Pro (old font) which also varied between semi-bold, medium, and thin and Apple’s in-house “San Francisco” font (new font). The packaging on their products at the time was reflective of this too.
Not only this, but the logo for macOS Sierra still used Myriad Pro, even though it was released in 2016, and the main font of the OS itself had been San Francisco since El Capitan the year prior! You can see it on the Wikipedia page for macOS Sierra-it just looks so bad compared to San Francisco. But I'm biased-I think San Francisco is the best sans serif font ever created
they also used Helvetica but I'm pretty sure their new font is very similar
Had exactly the 2015 model, id agree. Had to repair it way too much until i gave up. The latter year models seem to be a lil more reliable tho and id love to see apple revive this form with an m2 chip and thinner bezels, cause it was amazing to use due to how small and light it was
The 2017s basically resolved the keyboard issue but the batteries are dying out on all of them at this point.
@@mbplove Not mine.
i had a teacher in high school who, even today, STILL uses one of these! admittedly, it looks like a newer mac, but when i noticed the high sierra dock i was like "ok..."
I have the 2017 MacBook and it’s really pretty good. It’s slow obviously by today’s standards, but having looked after it i don’t have any issues with condition or reliability. I really love it’s size. Completely agree that an apple silicone version would be so great to see. And what better way for Apple to show how much better their own chips are compared to the intel days.
I have one of these from 2015. I still regularly use it due to the form factor.
If Apple release a version with M1 or M2, or even just the efficiency cores from one of them, I would buy it immediately.
Well, I sure dodged a bullet!
Needed a new laptop in 2015, and agonized over which to get for months. It was between the Retina, and the 2012 MBP unibody which was still in production. I wanted all the ports and optical drive, but the other was cheaper.
Lucky for me, one of the big box stores decided to sell the MBP unibody as a doorbusters item, only $900! And it didn't sell out! I went that night and they still had some left, my guess is people were like "2012, that's a dinosaur" not realizing it was still a current model (discontinued in 2016.)
wasnt the 2016 the worst one they made because of the touch bar issues and the gross keyboard
Yeah 2016 - 2017 MBPs are also some of the worst ones too
Nah at least they're somewhat useful compared to this piece of garbage
The White Plastic Mac was so slow that it took 1 hour to do an MP4 Calculation, while the 2013 intel Mac took only 10 minutes to do the same Calculation
I wonder how long it would take for the 2015 MacBook to do it in
I actually want to buy one because of the design. I know the keyboard is bad and it’s not good for the long term but it’s such a interesting part of Apple’s history.
It’ll be cool if they made a budget M1/2 version.
same. I wouldn mind adding 1 millimeter for a scissor keyboard and another usbc port
about the macbook white unibody, the white keyboard is GORGEOUS
Until you touch it with ever so slightly dirty fingers
@@frokfrdkI got an asus rog g14 thinking it was so pretty! Like two days later decided I’m never getting a white laptop again
@@Balrog-tf3bg learning the hard way I see
@@frokfrdk thing is impossible to keep clean 😫
Funny how Apple's worsts are also debut all of the designs and features that future MacBooks will take cues from. First MacBook Air started the "ultrabook" market. MacBook 2015 also started a new design trend.
Coming from a typewriter, the butterfly keys made me type with less effort and noise. The 2nd ver of that keys made it feel better and design looks seamless like a touchscreen.
my mom had one of these but the 2016 variant. despite all the reliability issues ive heard, it miraculously lasted her 8 years until she upgraded to an m1 air. nothing died in her old macbook, except for the keys on the keyboard needing extra force to register and just feeling very off. more recently she complained of slowness and even asked if i was able to upgrade the ram in it to which i said it cant be upgraded. still, very impressive that it lasted her this long.
I wish they'd try the 12" MacBook in plastic again with an m2 or something
Me too. Apple could make plastic products feel premium. I miss the old iPhone 3G / 3GS back too.
Wasn’t a thunderbolt port, just usb-c. It was meant as a replacement for the MacBook Air 11”, while covering the gap left by the absence of a base MacBook. I had one, hated specs, keyboard and just one port, but absolutely loved the portability.
A couple of corrections:
The “Thunderbolt” ports on the early MacBooks are actually Mini DisplayPort. Thunderbolt didn’t come until 2011.
The “Thunderbolt 3” port on the 2015 MacBook is actually just plain-Jane USB 3.1 Gen 1, not Thunderbolt. In fact, the 12” MacBook never received Thunderbolt even in its final revision in 2017!
My mom use to have one of these, and it stopped turning on, and apple support did not help us. It turned out to be a motherboard issue. This happened back in 2020. It is now in our basement stripped (Not really stripped, but I took a lot of components out and destroyed it. Clumsy me 3 years ago)
I had a white 2009 MacBook my grandmother gave me, and bought a white 2010 MacBook on eBay. The 2010 MacBook is slightly faster (2.4 GHz vs 2.2 GHz) and has a RAM maximum of 16 GB but was in poor cosmetic condition; the 2009 MacBook had lower specs but was in near-spotless condition. I ultimately combined these two MacBooks into one amazing, good condition version, with 16 GB of RAM and a 500 GB SSD.
I have a 2017 retina MB that I use for the basics. I also have an M1 Pro MBP that I use for creative work. These Macbooks are pretty easy to shit on, but the form factor makes it a huge win for people who don’t have to do much outside of the basics.
I would kill to see Apple use binned last gen chips (currently would be the M1) on these and launch them at a lower price point instead of hanging onto the M1 air.
I’d legitimately pay up to $1500 for one of these if it had Apple Silicon based on the space saving aspect alone!
I had one of these and really loved it for school. So light weight and portable.
I never had any problems with the butterfly keyboard, I do prefer the travel of the scissor switches, but the butterfly wasn't as awful for me as it seemed to be for most. I used that one port 12" MacBook when I worked for a newspaper and mostly only needed word processing and email. It wasn't as horrible as it's being portrayed here, but we all have different experiences.
Depends on the condition of the machine, this one was kept in awful condition
i miss my butterfly keyboard.
“I mean it works fine enough i guess”
Proceeds to shut down
I had the 2009 model and the Retina one and loved both ... for different reasons.
The Retina version was insanely great for studying because it was so compact, the battery lasted for the whole day and it was powerful enough, even for some CAD in a Windows VM.
The older one had a nicer keyboard, had a better selection of internal ports (for the time) and I still use it today as an network DVD drive.
"No it's not the battery"
*Service Recommended showing on the menu*
The fact that Apple insisted so long with that horrible keyboard for more than 4 years is insane.
8:06 it actually isnt wrong. the font on the 2010 and 2015 are also slightly different. the font on the 2015 one matches the iphone 6 and 6s which is 2014 and 2015 respectively. they changed the font for everything in 2016 to San Francisco which is still what they use today
finally a sane person in the comments
I really hope one day Apple starts making budget laptops again, cause I love macOS, I grew up using a MacBook Air, but the price of their hardware is just too much for me, an average Brazillian, Apple is just a luxury brand nowadays. I know they will never do good budget stuff again, but one can only hope
Honestly I still rock with my 2015 MacBook Pro, as it’s the last MacBook that you could upgrade, I have a 1TB and 16gb of ram and it works sooo great
And a AMD gpu
Dang that's better than my asus rog zephyrus I think
I bought a 2017 with m5 512gb and 8gb for 150 and its pretty cool being so thin, the down arrow key is broken though.
Had one, literally sold it yesterday to buy a M1 Mac Pro. He really served me well until now, little fella still had it on him and will serve well his new owner!
The font matches the 2015 iPhone which was the 6s and with the iPhone 7 the next year, they started using San Francisco for the product fonts.
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agreed
In 2009 I had a 13-inch MacBook "Pro" with a 160 GB HDD, 2.26 GHz Core 2 Duo and 2 GB RAM. At the same time my schoolteacher brother had a polycarbonate MacBook with a 250 GB HDD, 2.53 GHz Core 2 Duo and 2 GB RAM. So far the Pro doesn't seem very Pro, does it? It's the connections that make the difference - FireWire 800, SD card slot, MiniDisplay port and resolution support of 2560 x 1600 for external displays on the Pro vs FireWire 400, Mini DVI port and external display resolution support of 1920 x 1200. I later increased the RAM on my Pro to 4 GB and fitted a 320 GB 7200 rpm HDD. This computer is still in use by a friend who equipped it with a 512 GB SSD and installed a version of Linux on it.
16:14 not the “joined typing academia” in the bottom left 😭
The plastic MacBooks were still better built than any HP or Dell laptop, the hinges always break on those.
I think a 12 inch M2 MacBook would do very well. I would buy one. A far as I remember the 2015 - 2017 12 Inch MacBooks did not support Thunderport.
As I now have one of these from 2015, it definitely doesn’t support Thunderbolt.
Non of the 2015/2016/2017 12” MacBook has Thunderbold. It is just ordinary USB 5 Gb/s. And my dad kinda still enjoy his 2016 12” MacBook.
I remember wanting a Retina MacBook in 2017 back when I didn't know anything about computers. I just thought waow so thin. Looking back, I'm glad I got a MacBook Air instead, even though it had a much worse screen
I bought one for 50,- and for that price the value is unbeatable. It's a great laptop for Browsing / UA-cam / Teams / Word etc...
also I agree with Apples naming scheme, not sure why they call the heavier macbooks the macbook air. They shouldve kept the 12 inch and named it the macbook air while changing thecurrent macbook airs to just the macbook. idk, I think the 12 inch Macbook is easily one of the best looking computers Apple ever built
I think my Powerbook G4 12 inch with 1.25 GB RAM, old keys and flash storage is probably better, or on par with the original Macbook 12 inch in terms of how it was built, and it can still run pretty well for a 20-year old machine. But I get the point of the Macbook and what it was supposed to be. Unfortuately, it just wasn't built well, originally.
I just got a sad 12 inch PowerBook
butterfly keyboard are good, they only need to put a tiny springs placed behind every single key to help the key lift up and prevent it from stuck.
4:43: A small correction. MacBooks, before the 2011 ones have a Mini DisplayPort connector, not a Thunderbolt one. Everything after/including the 2011 has a Thunderbolt port
I brought one of these to my house cause a friend had one without a screen and wanted to restore it, now im questioning if it's worth it 😂
for blowing massive amounts of air, I use a shop vac with a 2 inch diameter tube, converted into 1 inch, and then use a crevice tool. that shit can haul ass when it comes to air pressure
It’s slow, gets fairly warm, but its the ideal size for portability, Apple should have made a M1 MacBook Air the same size as the 12 inch MacBook.
I have a 2019 Air which I believe uses the second generation butterfly keyboard and it’s not good but so far at least still works. They don’t seem to have the same issue the first gen had.
0:02 "frock for duck" 💀
So what??!
Great video👍 I wanted the 12in MacBook when it came out just because how tiny and portable it was. I didn’t get it and ended up just getting a m1 mba later.
Which macbook is this ? There was loads of models made in 2015 , mine is the early 2015 and it's a beauty.
there was a model just called the "MacBook" with no subbrand name, such as "Air" or "Pro"
I have my 2010 macbook rocking mojave (patched) and i have a black keyboard. I live in belgium, and this macbook has a very special story, when i bought it secondhand here locally, i glued feet on the bottom of the macbook so it stays nice :p my white model came from the USA, olleyvalley school district . . . It was locked to this school, and whenever you installed a macos version, it would make 2 profiles automatically, no mather what macos version it has! But i contacted the school and they removed it from their deployment thing. They never sold any macbooks secondhand, so it must've been stolen or lost and somehow ended up in my hands. The school was stunned that the macbook ended up here in belgium. I had a M1 pro macbook pro, but since i am a gamer, i got rid of it, i have an asus rog strix now and i didn't regret it one moment.
Nice, very interesting
I didn't even realize you were the guy from Twitter until around the 10 minute mark whem you showed your channel lol
@@nathank-jw7uv What tweet made me "the guy from twitter?" Haha
@frokfrdk The iOS icloud ad one
Apple probably tested the Apple Silicon chips in these laptops in 2019-2020 but they picked the 2020 Air because it's the one that suits most people's needs. I know the portability of this thing is still superior but the Air is so much similar to the Pro and is much more reasonable to have Apple Silicon than this thing. But the MacBook isn't a failure, it revolutionized the next generation design language of the newer MacBooks until 2021
They dont add many ports to the new ones because they want you to have the feeling that you could go from a laptop to desktop setup in 1 connection connected to a hub
It’s not a TB3 port - it’s a simple USB C port, which makes things even worse. Extremely slow 3.0 standard, especially when a hub is connected and the bandwidth is splitted.
i have always wanted a macbook. what a coincidence that this is the only macbook our family currently owns.
Those old Macbooks did not have Thunderbolt. Those are just standard Mini DiaplayPorts. Thunderbolt didn't arrive until around 2011.
I understand that it’s not even thunderbolt lol, just a USB 3.0 port with displayport 1.1 and type C connector xD
My recent Mac gets dirty easily I’m worried I have to take keys off to clean off all the dirt. It’s impossible to clean without taking it apart. It catches fingerprints easier so I have to wipe down for moistness
The 2015 MacBook would be amazing with an M series processor. Imagine a fast netbook that lasts all day. I'd love it.
I had 2 PowerBook 12” 2005, which still work, I had the MacIntels prior to the Unibody case, the Unibodys prior to the Retina, I have 2 MacBook 12” 2015 and 1 MacBook 12” 2019.
They are great machines and already the PowerBooks showed that they could compete with larger diagonals (I did video editing while at work I used a Mac Pro to do it), and I continued to do it with the MacBook 12".
Today's equivalent would be the iPad Pro 12.9”, which in landscape are 1mm wider, but cost twice as much, weigh twice as much, and remain a tablet without macOS.
Comparing the 12” with the 13” means not understanding anything of what the purpose of a 12” is, which is an ultrabook and cannot be compared to a 13”, which is only a reduced 15”.
I'm sure Apple won't do it anymore and that's okay, because to make miniaturised products it takes capacity and Apple shows that it doesn't have any, since it can't even produce an Apple Watch under 41mm anymore.
It will remain the lightest and most portable Mac in history, and those who don't understand it will continue to buy that scrap iPad Pro, hoping that one day they will have macOS, or those stupid 6.1” iPhones.
Yup, I think that with the base M series chips and the scissor switches would be great. Hear me out: a MacBook lineup rework. Ideally I think, it will look like this:
Starting at $1,000: MacBook - base M chips, options of 8 or 16 gb of ram, and 256gb or 512gb storage options, two USB C ports and a headphone jack
Next tier up will be the 13 inch and 15 inch Macbook Air. Same current configuration options but give it three or four USB C ports. Headphone jack retained.
Then the 14 and 16 inch Macbook Pros at the highest tier. Same configuration option. Same loaded port selection. Ideally I’d have the base M chip option removed for the pros and start them with the M Pro chips (so at the time of writing this, the M3 Pro), but Apple probably wouldn’t do that cause then the Macbook and Macbook Air in this scenario would eat the sales of the MacBook Pro models.
MacBook - I’m Crappy and Dead
MacBook Air - I’m Light and Powerful
MacBook Pro - I’m Very Powerful
That white MacBook does NOT have a Thunderbolt port: it's a MiniDisplay port and can only handle video unlike Thunderbolt which had a port of the same shape and the 2015 MacBook's single port is USB-C, not Thunderbolt.
“The battery on my 10 year old computer doesn’t hold a charge! Apple sucks!!1”
yet the battery on the 15 year old macbook worked lol
*tiny macbook dies*
Me: "You killed her, dude."
I want this with M3.
But Apple will just link you to an iPad Pro 13'.
But the form factor I really like is the MacBook Air 11' - that was a cutie.
I think it is a mistake to say that pretty much everything is USB C nowadays.
Most of the mice are still powered by USB-A as well as flash drives and other peripherals. Most of the people I know regularly carry a dongle with them to plug everything in.
hi frog for duck!
I wonder how it's gonna be if we can have a new MacBook with A17 processor and mobile OS. Basically a non-touch iPad mini.
I’ve always wanted the 12 inch MacBook as a writing laptop. I’ve yet to have one but it seems like it’s just as bad as the MacBook Pro 2017 which I had for 5 years.
My wife has one of these. It sucks! Amazingly the keyboard still works, but it's slow as hell, the battery is now dying and it also just randomly dies like this one. The screen has developed a weird fault which makes the brightest areas go darker. To get around this you have to turn on night shift permanently, and then counteract it with a colder white point in the colour calibration. Not sure why it fixes it, but it does. Even without these faults it's still a very flawed machine, the keyboard is one of the worst I've used and I don't like the feel of the haptic trackpad.
I actually just upgraded from this exact same model to the m2.. The 2015 started complaining when I'd run UA-cam. It could be the only safari window open, not even fullscreen.. and it would constantly urge me to close the window. However, FWIW, the thing was always reliable and generally did what I wanted it to. Only ever got one stuck key as well. Had to pop the key off the clean the spec of nothing out of the mechanism. getting those keys back on really sucks. Anyway, I never had any major issues with the thing for its first 5 years. I did regret upgrading the OS.. That definitely cost a couple performance points. The m2 absolutely embarrasses it though.
In my defense, I did find it gently used in 2016 for about half of it's original cost. Its main purpose was also meant to be media consumption and it did (still does) have a pretty great display. The fanless aspect also made it a great laptop to watch in bed.
What a difference from the 2015 Retina Macbook Pro. I still have mine, and it still runs well. The keyboard is the best I have tried on any laptop.
This was my laptop for 2 years, I edited a music video in 1080p on it as well, it was so slow but I really milked that thing
That single port wasn't even a Thunderbolt; it only supported USB-C.
13:12 mine runs Mojave
Loved the 2009 MacBook. Got one from school, great memories
Would be nice to see this demo on an example that isn't liquid damaged.
Don’t understand why Apple will not make M4 laptop like this, this would be a bestseller
Let’s just put the most premium design on the cheapest MacBook
6:25 On the Production team at my church. Every Tuesday im up there programming lights and as im editing things into the app we use to schedule services everyone can hear me. I have a 2017 Macbook Pro and I don't got the money to get a new one. Everyone else has a Newer macbook and can work quietly as they hear my keyboard going CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACK. (me spamming backspace key because I didn't notice one of my keys was jammed and i missed a ton of letters)
And to top it off only one of the two of my usb c ports work so I carry around this annoying usb, hdmi, sd card hub thing around with the laptop all the time.
That's not Thunderbolt at 4:41. That's Mini Displayport.
They did use the same connector tho which makes it confusing
@@frokfrdk True lol
What exactly is an error when talking about the touchbar? Just you don't like it, does not make it an error.
It’s kind of a shame that Apple Silicon came out too late to save this form factor. I think Apple would rather focus on the iPad than make a small MacBook again
The 2015 Retina 12" MacBook also had a lower powered Intel processor than the 13" or 15" 2015 MacBook Pro (PS: I actually have a 13" 2015 MacBook Pro with Retina Display)
You mean worse than the Apple III?
I bought a rMBP 13 back in 2015. I passed this up so fast.
I specified laptops, didn't say WORST computer 😉
i dont share your hatred the slightest…imo all your issues come down to the 2015… i have the 2016 its not the fastest thing, but its by far my most favorite pc ever and the only one i take on trips along an ipad pro! the macbook air is just not that portable vs the 12 inch which is just amazing!
wait, the 2015 ones got stuck at Big Sur? Are you telling me the 2015 11 inch air got 1 more year of support, while being cheaper and much more reliable? I guess the screen is a lot nicer and it does weight a couple grams less... I don't think it would've been worth it.
Nowadays, I find the 2017 interesting, mainly because that has the hardware needed for sidecar, my 11 inch air doesn't
You said the 2015 Macbook is Thunderbolt but it's actually just normal 5Gbps USB-C. They didn't put Thunderbolt 3 till the Macbook Pro 2016
I wonder if they reused the iPad screens for it. Also had a visceral reaction to the dirty rubber and said OH out loud
ipad screens are 4:3 back then except for pros which idk if it was around and those are even weirder (10:7 maybe)
Weird to complain about reliability for this specific device you purchased when you knew it had liquid damage. You didn’t seem to account for this for some reason and still opted to mention reliability.
I had one, the Core M7, and it was a really great machine for what it was at the time.
Perhaps if you picked up a better spec machine and one without liquid damage, you’d get a better experience.
me just watching this on my 13inch early 2015 macbook thats just better. Yes still using my 2015 macbook still working for what i want it for
Great video man very entertaining you kind of sound like Duel Links Loom😂👍🏾👏🏾
This guy kinda reminds me of DankPods.
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Yeah but he desnt have the: EEE PEE CEE
its a knockoff