uh oh!!! i said that i was gonna release one episode of my analysis series every week and it turns out, i LIED!! instead, we have a completely unrelated video essay about steins;gate OH DEAR. look what happens when you trust youtubers. on a serious note, i'd written in the bit about the t1 line into episode 10 then realized wait a second this has nothing to do with the rest of the video, and also wait this could probably just be another video. so here we are. clearly 24 episodes of this wasn't enough. i still haven't fully written episode 24 though so maybe we'll get there and retroactively decide that this counts as episode 24's video. probably not, but i mean who knows really. i'm crazy!!
I don't if you will notice it or not but It seems that Steins;Gate ended/started or became a time paradox. If you watch the 1st & the last episode of Steins Gate then you will notice it, that everytime when assistant Christina dies in the radio building soaking in bloodbath, some one screams so Okabe comes to(notices) her dead body but it was always Okabe(future) that screams. Also when at 1st ep when Makise Christina told Okabe(present), what Okabe(future) was trying to tell her, Okabe(present) said in inner-monologue that he doesn't remember talking to Makise Christina. Which purely indicates that it's a total time-paradox from start. In the movie it also created a time-paradox type when Makise kissed minor Okabe(past middle-schooler Okabe) and gave Okabe(past) the concept of Hoyouin Kyoma(mad scientist) making it difficult for me to grasp which is the original World line 😅 Because in every line something happens which changes the course of line(time machine kicks in, in every world line) In 1st episode before sending 1st d-mail, there was time machine landed(miscalculated landing) on the Radio building which caused earthquake typo thing in the building which made Okabe & Mayuri left the building.I think it can be answered because it was beta world line, so to prevent the WW3, future tries to interfere the past
Writer of Steins Gate is very brilliant because he executed the story without many potholes & making his audience understand how this time leap & time machine works
Plothole 1 - Since we're discussing S;G, I believe I'm more than allowed to bring in the VN. SERN has access to Echelon, a program that allows signals to be traced down and able to store information on a encrypted database (that can be accessed via an IBN 5100 because of its program language), the reason why SERN doesn't immediately finds out about Okabe is simply because there are too many information stored on Echelon, so it isn't surprising that they only attacked the lab way later on, that among other reasons (one of which I will say on another plothole). Deleting that first d-mail that SERN got a hold on with Echelon changes the past because they had used Kurisu's Time Leap Machine as a base to build their own time machine, therefore their research over time travel literally skyrocketed and they took over the world. Just like Titor said, they never ever considered the possibility of sending data into the past to change it, but how much of SERN does Titor really know? SERN can literally manipulate information via time travel in the future, so there's a possibility of what Titor said to not be entirely true. Which means that Plothole 1 is questionable and cannot be said to be one, especially when you consider S;G 0 but I won't dwelve into it because it gets confusing. Plothole 2 - Suzuha's time machine should be the only thing that disappears since the future was changed and there is no race to build a time machine, WW3 never happened. This is indeed a plothole because it breaks the time travel mechanics of S;G. The fans came up with something like she doesn't disappear but leaves in her time machine but the time machine shouldn't even exist at that point, unless she somehow enters it and time travels before it dissapears lol. Plothole 3 - Mr. Braun (at least of how it is portraited in the VNs) is the leader of the Rounders that are all across the globe. Yes, they need him to report back anything that he comes to learn about, which is why SERN has a direct line right under the Braun Tube Workshop. It doesn't make sense the Rounders don't have a leader since they're basically too many of they, SERN may have the resources but for they to get this much manpower means that they are in actual need of the Rounders to gather info about anyone researching on time travel. Okabe sent his text because as soon as he sent it, he jumped to a worldline where in the future they control time machines, meaning they could go back to any point in the past and order a direct line to be installed, that's another possibility aside from Mr.Braun's case. SERN is aware that screwing up their own method of achieving time travel would result in a change, so they're careful enough to try to not disturb the lab before the time machine is developed, they're just observing and that won't alter the worldline. Plothole 4 - On Babel of Grieved Maze, Faris ran away from her house on her birthday because she was upset with her father. Kuroki (the buttler) called him, who took the flight and then he died. As for the ransom money, her family is indeed rich but her kidnapping did not happen, it was all something she made up on her D-mail to make her father not take the flight. Moreover, the "kidnappers" told him to get the money fast, and conveniently SERN was willing to buy the IBN 5100 for an absurd amount so that's how he sold it and got the money. Her family might own a whole district but you nor anyone would know how thing were back then, its not like they can pull up a large amount of money without alerting the bank or whatever, the people working on it might even go crazy and make a scandal out of it saying the Akiba's daughter was kidnapped. Plothole 5 - In the anime it looks weird but in the VN it is far better explained, so I won't waste time on this one. Plothole 6 - I agree, Nae time leapping is straight-up stupid and definitely a pothole. This is my own insight on the S;G plotholes you pointed out, many of which are still being discussed among the community. Check out the steins gate sub reddit to look for something you might have on your mind, the folks there might give you a more concrete answer that me about all of this, thanks for reading if you did so!
For plot hole 3: The reason they have a t1 line is really just like they explained in the manga, because of braun and rounders and definitely not for spying the lab. Because basically in steins gate 0 they still have t1 line under the lab in beta world line where they have no clue about the lab and they dont have a working time machine.
Plothole 2: If that's the case, then Suzuha should also disappear from the present because she would have no reason to come from the future to begin with (how would she be in the present without a time machine anyway?).
I will always defend this series, because it's always been my favorite, but I would be stupid to say that there aren't flaws to it. If you really look at the series, there are quite a bit of questionable details in every category.
@@FerociousMit the show is first and foremost a character driven one, the fact that a time travel dating sim had a story this good and had this few plot holes in honestly a miracle 🤣
The time travel logic in "Back to the Future" is perfectly sound if you just remember this rule: The universe doesn't care about paradoxes; it just needs to make sure that all of the sums tally in the end. You can kill your grandfather. You will disappear but your grandfather will still be dead, having been killed by... nobody that anyone can quite remember. From a cosmological perspective, events don't matter. Only matter matters. A dead human being takes up as many atoms as a live one.
Explaining plothole 1: The reason the DMail was picked up wasn't because of the contents but the send date. The reason why Dmails were never 'considered' are; A. SERN never released information about DMails. B. Daru never told Suzuha about DMails. Explaining plothole 2: Much like how Okabe is moved in space according to what the Okabe of that worldline is doing, the similar happened to Suzuha who was moved to where she should be at that time, in the future. This can also be explained through things that happen in Anonymous;Code. Explaining Plothole 3: The T1 line is so Tennouji and SERN can communicate privately between each other. Explaining Plothole 4: PgoOFC explains this Explaining Plothole 5: Either she got the name from Daru or her mother Yuki Amane had told her at some point, though both of those are farfetched, or as PgoOFC says, she remembers or recognises it from another Worldline, much like how Faris and Lukako do during their arks. Explaining Plothole 6: Although stupid some of the Nae stuff can make sense with some leaps of logic, it's possible for her to join the rounders since (in Robotics;Notes and DaSH) it's shown that she's a very talented fighter so her joining the Rounders and dodging Okabe in the lab is possible especially with her ties to Tennouji (The Rounder's leader), however the points you bring up are pretty good and I agree with them.
About the hole 006, you forgot that the memories of cancelled worldlines aren't gone, just locked up. It's brought up multiple times through the series. Rintaro's Reading Steiner is just a stronger version of this, but it's something everyone has. And since Suzu had years to recover these memories, it's not surprising that she did.
@@Felfiner no, it's never brought up or anything and no character comments on her having darus name even though okabe is the only one who knows she's darus daughter, so even if this does make sense it doesn't sound like any of the writers put any thought into it at all
To add more evidence to this, I’d like to add on in Linear Bounded Phenogram there’s a side-story in the Delta worldline where Mr. Braun wins the lottery and he tries to buy something to make Nae happy. Nae says something is missing and there’s a void in her heart. In the end it’s revealed what what she felt was Suzuha’s absence, even though Nae had never met Suzuha on that worldline. And Okabe explains it was Nae’s strong feelings that crossed over worldlines that helped her vaguely remember.
about 7. Every time the time leap machine is used, the worldline shift an astronomically small amount, so little that Reading Steiner doesn’t produce pain but still preserves his memories, but enough for Nae to take different actions and not go to the lab. Okabe, remembering what he had seen, go to the lab where Nae is now no longer there.
Why does deleting the d-mail break convergence? Well, because SERN doesn't know about the d-mail yet (they find it later in the future). The raid on the lab was on FB's orders alone. They tried to act before SERN sees something which is stupid because THEY WILL see it if it isn't removed before they do so it was pointless (the convergence is on them seeing the d-mail). This isn't a plothole. It is litteraly alpha attractor field whole plot.
fr, suzuha disappearing is because she can't go to her original timeline where the world was fucked from CERNs control and she can't exist somewhere where she will be born later on. it's not a plothole, she knew what was gonna happen. cern noticed and put the t1 line because the d-mails fucked up and showed cern that they were up to something, especially after having already signed into CERN before. suzuha's memories came back so that's why she knows she's hashida and not just amane. the VN stuff with nae got changed anyway so it's literally a non issue as most people only watched the anime/care for the anime as they're so similar. so out of the entire video he only got ONE plothole which was faris' family being rich which the d-mail still needed to be corrected regardless or else CERN would have noticed them still. but also, if you're offered a large sum of money for a seemingly worthless pc, even if you are already rich, why wouldn't you take it? so all in all this video was some ass.
For the second plot hole I always figured in sg when suzuha dissapears its because they reached steins gate and everyone was reverting back to their original world line. As the war never happened suzuha would never have gone in the past so she disappeared but since the time machine can traverse space and time okabe is okay and because he's part of that world line
Also in the Alpha timeline the time machine is visibly crashed inside of the radio tower for weeks on end. This presents a couple problems: firstly SERNs technology that alerts them to time-travel activity should've immediately flagged this, but even if that wasn't the case, a giant machine magically materialized inside of a building there is absolutely no way that it was be so easily accessible to the general public hours, days, and weeks after the occurrence. The Future Gadget Lab just waltzing up the building multiple times throughout the alpha timeline to work on the time machine is beyond far fetched imo
true but this i think is something you just kind of have to go with as a story. a plothole is more of something that doesn't go with the rules the story itself established
In Steins;Gate 0, Daru couldn't see the time machine because he was supposed to invent it in the future and it would create a paradox if he saw it. I remember they gave it a weird flicker effect when he was present and basically became invisible. Maybe it's similar to that? I don't see how it's a paradox to SERN though so this theory needs more explaining.
Certainly security seems a little lax. But we saw that Suzuha found a back way in that involves climbing a rope to then open a door from the inside to let everyone else in, so I guess that was enough to bypass any security perimeter. I'm more surprised that the authorities just left that massive hazard in the building for 3 weeks. I would have figured that, within a day or 2, they would have gotten a crane to remove it, if only for public safety.
I know objectively speaking it's not perfect. But for me, subjectively...it is. Because I honestly do not care for it's flaws. It just resonated way to much with me to actually care about some minor flaws. So, I will still just continue on with saying that this anime is as close to perfection as it can get, especially for time travel stories.👍
I back this comment up many months later, especially for steins gate 0. I still love the sequel no matter the flaws because it’s highs are some of the best in media I have seen.
I agree that Suzuha shouldn't go by Hashida but it's not a plot hole either. It's just her being a bit careless sometimes. And the plot still works out in the end.
The one related with the IBN5100 might not be a plothole. I agree that is not well explained in the anime but having a lot of properties and fortune (invested) is not incompatible with being low in cash. Selling the PC would be an easy way of getting money quickly for the ransom. I think that you cannot simple go to the bank and get a lot of cash immediately and without taking the risk that the authorities are alerted, something that you would like to avoid in a case like that.
right but it didn't say they're low on cash lol it said they didn't have a lot of money yet because her father's business was still small which is completely at odds with what faris says about their family being mega wealthy
@@WeebJail not so sure. He didn’t want to tell the story in the first place and it’s Rumiho who convinced him. But anyway, I’m a novelist, so maybe that’s why I’m inventing this story around it XD
About the Nae one 1. There is any moment in the VN where is stated that Nae doesn't have a cell phone? If not, then there is no problem at all. Also, I think it's pretty logical for her to have one, because her father would not like the possibility of not having any means to contact her and know where she is. 2. Her disappearance from the lab is not a plothole, it's literally the point of the scene. She disappear because she never went there after receiving the future memories, and reading steiner does not activate because time leaps alone don't cause a great impact on the divergence (that's stated by suzuha, in chapter 6 iirc), and, as we have seen with the random dmails, reading steiner only activate with impactful changes. It's basically the same that happens on Luka's route when Okabe suddenly appear elsewhere after Luka's leap (reading steiner did not activate in this ocassion)
also, the reason time leaps don't create divergence is because you're literally going back to the same timeline, time leaping in itself doesn't change anything
@@silvestri_5 you kind of have to be paying close attention to realize how this scene fits together. it's right before she pushes mayuri in front of the train. suzuha is supposed to be looking for nae as okabe runs off looking for mayuri and she turns up in the subway
Thank you for also accounting for what I've said back a few videos ago. The fact that T1 line exists makes it clear that Braun-shop is a front, but there is no reason why it would be there. Nae being a killer is also something they rely upon later (as far as I remember), as it makes Okarin "invincible" because he is destined to be dead in 2035. I'm sure you know this, and it doesn't explain any of the plotholes in themselves, it just explains the reason for their existence. Could also be something I remember from Steins;Gate 0, I don't know anymore. It's almost 7 months since I last played the original novels.
i take everything into account!!! haha and yeah but they don't need this to explain it--okabe realizes this when he tries to give up his own life for mayuri's and tells this to moeka when he confronts her
About the third okabe, maybe time machine just creates a new world line based on the beta convergence's event, it doesnt send you to a specific world line.
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I like the way you analyses some of the plotholes, and how you ended the video... Because technically you say, as a fan I am aware of all the mistakes that the series can have, but the series is more than just explaining everything and that everything has logic, it is the story that it tells you and what it makes you feel. I like to apport about some plotholes... +Faris' fortune: If i remember, in "Aishin Meizu No Babel" the father of Faris, told to Dr. Nakabachi is having problems with the company and will no longer be able to finance his research... Speaking of economic problems that as a small factor of causality for future events... +SERN checking "D-Mails" I think here it's like that chance to find the suspicious information, like the US NSA spying on conversations (by the way, greetings FBI agents who see our conversations...take the opportunity to watch Steins;Gate). there is a lot of thinks that may be dont make sense, but thanks to all the extra material, we at least have a little answer
well the faris thing was that their family owns akihabara. they should have basically infinite money. their wealth didn't come from his company, this part of the story is just super confused lol again the email isnt suspicious in the slightest. literally it just says that someone got stabbed
@@WeebJail Speaking of things that should be solved by money and influence: Why does SERN choose the most barbaric and convoluted way of obtaining the time machine (provided they actually needed to obtain it in the past for some reason)? Why bomb the city? Why send armed killers after the protagonists? They should have just confronted them legally (proof of hacking, take them into court and blackmail them with this) or an even more elegant solution: approach them with a work contract as a result of their good hacking skills. Those are some broke ass teenagers who would probably love some good pay. All those assassins, bombs, extreme measures bothered me greatly because they led to moments like Okabe escaping from that dude's car and other physical feats that a nerd like him shouldn't be able to pull off in order to advance the plot. Keep in mind what I'm saying is from very distant memories so I might be entirely wrong here so feel free to debunk me.
@@Garrus876 well for one they're basically evil so they do evil things lol. but the real answer here is that they knew the future gadget laboratory was onto them. they wouldn't work for sern because they knew they were evil. as for why they needed to invade the lab it's because they were planning to go public with the time machine the next day. sern needed to stop that from happening. and the reason okabe is able to get away from them is wordline convergence--it's set that he's basically invincible in this moment so they can't actually harm him
1(the actual #1). There are multiple things that might answer this. One is that, as Suzuha said, when posting as John Titor, she mixed in some truth with some lies to make it seem like Titor was fake. That could have been a lie. Why go on @Chan? I forgot. Anyways, another possibility is that Sern and the Committee are looking for any hint that time travel is possible. Whether they know how to or if they don't doesn't matter. As long as there is a chance, the projects will continue. That is probably why it takes quite some time for them to act since it probably was not their primary focus to look at messages for a hint at time travel and only was found after later searching was conducted. I mean, why wait so long to act if they had found the message immediately? 5. This will be short and sweet since it can most likely be implied like the rest of the characters that were affected by D-Mail ended up getting Reading Steiner and learning about other experiences from other worldlines. It's a little more vague but can be interpreted as Suzuha getting Reading Steiner and remembering Mayuri's deduction skills. Time for #6,7,8. Honestly, my least favorite part of the anime was the changes done to this part. First off, maybe him killing himself in his house was a little too much, but him sparing Moeka made sense. Throughout his life, he was forced to do the Committee's dirty work and with his family being used as a way to make him keep working. He only wants the best for them. Now we see that Mr. Braun already had a soft spot for Moeka when he tried to cut ties with her and keep out of the Rounder business by not talking to her. He cares for Moeka. We even are shown this in (I hate to say it, but) My Darlings Embrace where Braun treats her like his daughter. Killing her would go against what he wants. Now, onto why Braun killed himself. It was inevitable. The Committee obviously threatened him with Nae. Either him or Nae. Now, killing himself will keep Nae and Moeka safe since there is practically no connection to them and know nothing, meaning they can live a life without being hunted for what they know. Obviously, Braun wouldn't know his daughter would blame his death on the other two, but that's just how it turned out. Now the big thing. Why did Nae disappear after the time leap? My theory makes this really simple. After time leaping, Okabe hopped into a different worldline where Nae didn't use the machine that day but a couple of days earlier. The reason Reading Steiner does not activate during this is because of the miniscule effect it has on the worldline. No one watched her time leap technically, so only Nae's location changed. Since she went back a couple of days to use the time leap machine, there was no reason for her to use it on that wordline on that day effectively making it look like no one touched it when Okabe went inside. Now, this whole situation in the VN is even more important due to how it connects S;G with the rest of SciADV. It's one of the few parts I have trouble with the anime, but it doesn't make it terrible. Don't get me wrong, it's still really good. So saying this is a plothole doesn't make sense imo when his decisions can be seen as reasonable and are explained.
i believe the lies were what titor posted publicly. she told this to okabe directly and sure they're looking for any hint but again all it said is that someone got stabbed. there's nothing actually suspicious about this
@Weeb Jail but the suspicious part was the date that the message was sent. The time basically tipped them off that "hey, these guys might have accomplished a form of time travel let's get em."
@@just-_-wandering i think i addressed this in the video but there's a million different reasons that could have happened. an email having a slightly weird send time doesn't really indicate time travel lol
@Weeb Jail I mean, might as well check anyway. It's not like it hurts them and if it turns out to be true then good on them, they can find out answers to time travel. A couple teenagers disappearing won't be world changing in the grand scheme of things. It can be more easily covered up than all the gel people appearing in walls. Anyways, I did try to answer 5 and 6-8 with what I believe are answers to them. Just in case you wanted to discuss more stuff.
answer 5 could make sense with a little more explanation in the novel. your answer for 6 doesn't--nae going back in time to kill moeka is a pretty significant change, and even if it wasn't he wouldnt just shift worldlines without noticing as for the mr braun thing, i never said he shouldn't kill himself. obviously he still does in the anime. i said he would never kill himself where his daughter could see it. i appreciate the effort to explain them but you can't just take something that obviously doesn't make sense and then say it doesn't make sense to call it a plothole lol
I personally always thought that the 3rd oint T1 line to darus line is actualy not to darus line but to brauns line because he is a rounder for SERN and since they share the building they have a common line I think
I remember analyzing S;G and only finding one plot hole so I'll be analyzing your analysis lol. I'm going to add to this list as I watch: 1. Don't trust everything said by John Titor! Suzuha admitted to intentionally spreading lies in order to throw off SERN. Besides she obviously was missing a lot of information anyway (she didn't even know her dad) 2. Yeah, that's the one I noticed. 3. I doubt that line was created for the Lab. It is most likely there to keep their interactions with Mr. Braun a complete secret (and in real time). He is FB, the head of the Rounder in Akihabara, but the Rounders in general aren't supposed to have any public connection with SERN. So, sending messages over the internet would be risky. 4. Fair point. 5. I used to agree, but my head cannon is that it was due to convergence/coincidence that she has her father's last name. Daru is the one who fixed the machine, so she just decided to take his name to avoid confusing Mr. Braun. 6. True! I remember having a few more issues with the VN 7. She could be hiding among the future gadgets, or perhaps there is some secret exit for Rounder business. Though I forgot about this point until now. 8. Again, true! So yeah, more like 4 plot holes for the VN and 2 for the anime which is incredibly impressive for a time travel story! And like you said, none of these have any serious repercussions for the story as a whole... except maybe the Nae stuff... Regardless, Steins:Gate is still my favorite anime of all time!
yeah you think there'd be more lmao it's kind of impressive counterpoints though: 1. suzuha posted lies publicly. this was said to okabe privately. also, this fits with how the story plays out--had sern considered using information to change the past, the future gadget lab wouldn't have gotten this far. 3. pretty sure i addressed this in the video but also riskier than building a direct t1 line from france to japan for ONE random grunt? idk man you can encrypt messages over the internet, and also they could also communicate without using the internet lol 5. yea this one totally could have been convergence. and yea i bring up the vn a lot besides my whole video on it but the anime is like waaaaaaay better lol
@@WeebJail 5.Not sure if you read the Manga about Suzuhas adventures since in that it is stated that suzuha figures out what the letters in pin means (on her own after traveling to the past) and by doing so realizes that Daru is his father
@@WeebJail So is your point then that it does not count? since if not it still works as explanation even if everything else in manga would count as shit lol.
Lol. As I was watching this video I was remembering my question from last weeks video and waiting with dread to be dunked on in video form(thanks for not doing that btw) The question about "why not just jump to a different world line? It worked to keep karizu alive" And the answer could have been "because the plot needs to happen" Given the quality of the plot and the story overall, that's a fine enough answer.
@@WeebJail i don't know, but the week after I ask my question about plot consistency- you release a video addressing the plotholes of Stein's Gate. Had me a bit nervous 😀
1: john titor doesn't say it wasn't even thought of it. he says they didn't use it because it would be impossible to control. the only reason okabe uses it freely, is because of a thing called reading steiner that makes him keeps his memory. so it's not that they never even thought of sending text, it would just be useless to them. but it would also make sense for them to have a system that can detect it, just in case someone else uses it. we never learn who exactly is making these decisions or what are the systems they have for detecting stuff like this. but something like this COULD exist, and that could is enough to make something as left as vague as this not a plot hole. 4. ok so.... this one is just wrong. both events were in the past. it is entirely possible that farris's family became filthy rich and owned a large portion of akihabara after the incident had happened. we don't know the exact date of these, so it is entirely possible. 5.what? she does right before going to the past. it's a different timeline, but the suzuha that went there was the same suzuha. this is the whole reason suzuha disappearing at the end doesn't make sense!!! this part is also just wrong. I guess you could say that, since she lost her memory, why would she even remember her name? but I don't think that's abnormal, for people to remember their name in certain cases of memory loss. in fact, the fact that she remembered her actual family name over the one she used her entire life, is kind of poetic.
4. ? no it VERY clearly establishes that this is from long ago. she says that the name akihabara comes from her family name which is akiha. 5. no he sends the dmail to prevent suzuha from staying and learning about her father. in this timeline she doesnt know about him.
@@WeebJail 4. ok this may sound very stupid... but are we sure akiba wasn't named during that time? because the world of steins;gate is actually far from being 1 to one from the real world, even though that may seem like it, sg is a part of a whole ass vn series with that has so many differences to the real world... BUT, fair still, fair enough. 5. ooooooh.... ok that's what it was. then yeah that's a mistake. although it's a VERY obvious one. so it does make me think if there was meant to be more to it.
@@APolygons2 no steinsgate is definitely set in the real world lol that's literally the entire point of basically everything in the story also the town changing names within the last 20 years because some dude got super rich would be actually insane
@@WeebJail No sg is set in the real world. I just meant it's not necessarily completely 1 to 1. I still excepted it as an issue though, you win! although if I am being honest, the only plot holes in steins;gate that really matter are 2 and 6+. these other ones are just cool nit bits. actually, there is another plot hole that you missed. in S;G's VN, suzuha never comes back in mayuri's ending. even though it makes 0 sense for that to be the case.
The Faris family not having enough money ALSO isn't a plot hole. It's actually shown in the anime that 15 years in the past the fmaily wasn't the owner of basically all of Akiba and wasn't as rich.
Can anyone explain why it wouldn’t be a plot hole that Daru and Okabe deleting Okabe’s original email about the murder from SERN’s Echelon server changes the past? Because at that point, even though they delete the mail in the present, SERN has already presumably installed a T1 line and has the Rounders watching them so I don’t understand how that changed the world line. Deleting the mail in the present would not change the fact that SERN has seen it and is aware of Okabe. I didn’t notice any of the plotholes in mention of this video, but this one was driving me nuts. Maybe I missed a crucial piece of info. I haven’t seen the anime, so this is referring to the VN.
Suzuha disappearing isn't a plothole. It makes perfect sense. First you need to know that only one world line can be active at a time. Now, Suzuha time travelled from 2036 to 2010 because of the SERN Dystopia (or in other world lines, WW3). But whenever Okabe changed the world lines Suzuha would still be there indicating that she also time travels back in _that_ world line. So in the last episode when Okabe tricks his past self into believing that Kurisu died, he changes the world line. In this new world line, Suzuha from 2036 never comes back to 2010 for some reason (probably because WW3 never happened). Therefore the others have never met Suzuha in this new timeline. Although Okabe would have memories of her because of his reading Steiner. This is why she "disappears" at the end of Ep 24. Hope that made sense...
In Stein's Gate, we know the past can be changed, that means there is no grandfather paradox. If you go back to the past and kill your grandfather or yourself, that would not cause you to disappear, negating what you just did, it would result in a dead body and you would just continue to exist in the past, a different past that will lead to a completely new future. I think he's right in this point, Suzuha shouldn't disappear, if the story was trying to be consistent. The problem with Stein's Gate as a time travel story is that it doesn't stick with it's own rules. At some times it behaves as if the past won't be changed and others it changes all the time. It "tries" to use physics to justify and explain how the time travel works, but at other times it just forgets the laws of physics and and comes up with any BS excuse to justify what it needs out of convenience, like the attractor field. For example, every time they use a "time machine", be it a D-mail, Time Leap Consciousness or physical time travel, it should result in "both" that information/person going back to the past of that same timeline and also infinite other timelines where that information/person will change their future from that point on. Now, when a D-mail is sent to the past, it "disappears" from the present and "appears" in the present (in truth, it shouldn't appear, it should have always been there, technically). Same thing with the bananas, if in that timeline they are going to try to change the past and send the bananas in the future, then it "already happened", and the bananas shouldn't change only after they do it, but first the should see the bananas show up from the future, and then they would realize what they are going to do and do it "again". When bananas and people are sent to the past, they cease to exist in that present and "appear" in the past, in that timeline and all the other infinite ones. The real catch here is the Time Leap, as it should "clone" the information from Okabe's memories and send them to his past. The thing is, in that same timeline, Okabe should have already received his memories. This should create an infinite loop where Okabe's memories keep piling up on top of each other. Let's say, if tomorrow night he will send his memories back to this morning, then in the morning he should have received an infinite amount of memories, an eternity of himself reliving that time between morning and night of the other day. So, if we really try to make sense of it, there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't add up, because it can't, and that's fine, most people don't even like these "details" anyway. As long as people are honest about and understand that Stein's Gate is not a true time travel story, but a fantasy story with "time travel flavor", then they can just relax and enjoy the story for what it is.
@@Jumbernautwhy is it problematic if people call this a time travel story? it still is one plotholes or not. it just seems like youre being pretentious
@@jahterminatedlmao5473. It's not a problem to call Steins'Gate a time travel story per se, the problem is when people don't understand the difference between those that care about these rules and writing tight, consistent stories and those that just want to write something fun for those who just want to watch something fun. So, if you look at the story seriously, from the POV of a true time travel story, S'G is a mess, but from the POV of an entertaining story, it's a success.
For me the only plot hole that stuck out to me was when they messaged Moeka from FB phone to say do not look for the IBM anymore. Surely, FB would message her again saying 'hey how are you doing looking for the IBM' Also if Mr Brown was working for SERN, could he not just open the lab (he likely has a spare key as a landlord) and steal the IBM?
haha maybe. she's become someone who responds to his direct orders so he wouldn't need to ask her twice though. i imagine usually what would happen is she would confirm her orders not the other way around and i don't think mr braun realized the ibn was in the lab
Good video! 🙏 I have a few counterpoints, but ultimately it doesn't really matter. I will say, though, that the Nae part isn't just dark and edgy for the sake of it. Sure, maybe on the surface it seems that way due to a throwaway scene you're likely to miss in the VN, but when you look at it in context, especially when you consider Mr Braun's own childhood... yeah, it really makes you realize the kind of life Nae would have to live. Is it any wonder she'd grow to become resentful? (In fact, the current storyboard fan-fic I'm working on is kinda about that.)
Also the scene of where Kurisu gets shot by a Rounder. Why would they try to shoot the creator of the time-leap device and nearly kill her? That defeats the entire purpose of the Rounders entering the lab.
if I remember correctly, Daru activated that humidifier thingy in the anime at that point to throw off the Rounders' aim and let Okabe get to the time leap machine. So it was most likely a misdirected shot.
It has been about a year since I played the VN so my memory is a bit hazy, but I do recall it being mentioned that Faris' dad's businesses were much smaller at the time and he didn't have the sort of money on hand that the ransom was asking for.
Plothole 1: They don't need to have conceived of the idea of that message BEING the time machine. The only thing it proves is that someone sent a message about Kurisu's death when she was still alive. They could have theorized that a person actually time traveled with it using Kerr Black Holes, like they tried to do with the human experiments. It's conceivable that they think that SERN from the future could be behind the message, and start to investigate. As to how they noticed it, someone connected to SERN probably was just looking at random stuff and came across it, found it weird and the information was passed on to them.
Plot hole 4 being that maybe faris dad did have money but like what happened when he sent the d-mail the whole town changed. It wasnt just a couple days since faris dad died. She could have bought the property after the maid cafe did well
Plot hole number 3 I would say that even if they did have the time machine they still needed to go back in order to ensure they would have a time machine in the future and continue on the world line they were on. Saying that the t1 line wasn't necessary if the whole building was probably connected two brauns and okabes. Needed to ensure he was also doing what he needed to do to get the ibm100
Number 3 isnt really a plothole as you could think of it as convergence because that line must always be there for the lab to make the first working time machine so the universe will always correct itself so the line will be there for that purpose
Plot hole 1 i tied to sern being able to read the dmails as sent from the future like with timestamps they saw a message arrive from someone in the future thats how they got alerted
I'm surprised that no one has used the context of Anonymous;Code to explain the "Suzuha disappearing plot hole" yet. It has been 2 months since its English release, and many people in the Science Adventure subreddit seem to be quite passionate about using A;C's concepts to recontextualize the mechanics of Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate (as well as of other games in the series) from new angles.
for the first plothole. What if Sern was able to intercept the messages between Rintaro and John titor? Rintaro explained how he changed the future in their conversation maybe thats how they know.
The disappearance of Suzu is actually makes sense but the problem is that both Suzu and Okabe should vanish with the time machine cuz due to their actions the time machine doesn’t exist anymore and Kurisu is not dead so the Okabe who saw a fake dead Kurisu never needed to create a time machine or saving Kurisu when he arrived at episode 23. She just was alive at that moment due to the Okabe and Suzu actions from another world line. And this is called a time paradox. (but the one which made a happy ending possible) A time paradox is a theoretical situation with time travel, when a guest from the future (Okabe & Suzu) does something in the past he is visiting (Saving Kurisu + changing the upa for the plastic one) that changes the circumstances of the future: for example, making this trip itself impossible. To clarify some stuff. I watched some pseudo-scientific videos (doesn’t made by scientist but still appeals to real scientific stuff) breaking down SG. And from theory + assumptions made by SG -> How it should have worked for scientific point of view -> We have three iterations of Okabe: Okabe 0 who is in the SG 0, 1 From the original anime and 2 who made his way only through 22 episodes of the original and reached steins gate without knowing it. So Okabe 0 ceased to exist after sending a video message to Okabe 1 and Okabe 1 ceased to exist after saving Kurisu and changing the upa. All this are time paradoxes but the sacrifices made by previous Okabes made the Steins Gate world line possible for Okabe 2 and Okabe 2 in the SG world line exists because Okabe 0 and 1 prevented the time paradox of altering the original 22 episodes of the show by faking Kurisus death. I think that if we had the ending when we have Okabe 1 disappear and Okabe 2 realizing that he somehow made it to the SG but didn’t know how (He could learn it from Kurisu tho when they met and she told him that he was the one to save her) But then we would have lost the whole lab mem 8 stuff. But it would be the Steins Gate material we deserved both so dark and bright at the same time. I still find the original ending very satisfying it's just an author's choice that made the sweetness of the original end possible. 😢 The whole thing I wrote could be easily broken by nuances and possibilities, but the thing is that we don’t know how the time travel would affect the world, we probably never will, because we don’t have reading Steiner. Non the less the world is beautiful because of its endless possibilities and it’s truly the Choice of Steins Gate
@@Iwbtvb431 Sure, if you want i'd like to, but I feel it's still gona be off for me. Okabe 1 should have disappeared because it's a time paradox, what i mean is that he already fixed the Kyrisy's issue of being dead, therefore, when Okabe deleted the very first D-mail pinpointed by SERN, Kurisy was already alive in the Alpha world line, and the Time travel issue was already fixed, so Sudzuha wouldn't call him and TimeTravel Machine wouldn't exist as well. So technically there are infinite amount of Okabe alteregos but what is crusial about Okabe 0, 1 and 2 is their memories. Therefore, Okabe 2, who solved the B line problem and went to the A line just simply couldn't get to the point when he would live through Okabe 1 experience because the world line is already fixed. And i don't believe in Okabe 1 "airdrop" on the RadioBuilding after Sudzuha disappeared with the time machine. But, technically all this fuss, i wrote isn't the part of the SG but a mere theory based of scientific stuff which is also nor confirmed neither denied. P.S. I just cant put it in my head, maybe due to all this YT-science stuff i watched. So if there is a logical or lore explanation i'd love to hear it. (o･ω･o)
@@ROL858 okay, so the way I see it there are infinite world lines but only one active world-line. The reason I believe this is the case is because what would be the point for Suzuha trying to help Okabe get to steins gate if their future is doomed anyway. So how I believe it works is when they go back to where they time traveled from there still in the same world line before they time travelled which means Okabe would have no reason to disappear because he would still exist in that world line. It’s only right after they got back from where they jumped from that okabes reading Steiner would send him to steins gate.
@@ROL858 this could also be applied to steins gate 0 where we know that Okabe 0 must’ve made it back to the present because the person who looks like Kurisu still had an attachment to Mayuri even though she would have been dead or stuck in the past. So we can make an assumption that when Okabe 0 made it to the present his reading Steiner also sent him to steins gate at around 2025.
@Iwbtvb I mean, yeah that's the point, because there is only one world line active at a given moment, by changing the circumstances of the past by physical means and then trying to go back, would cause Sudzuha and Okabe to disappear because they can't exist at their current state for newly changed world line. But I see what you mean, so due to Okabes Readin Steiner ability, even though, physically Okabes body disappeared with a time machine his consciousness moved to the changed SG world line. But there is still a knife wound stuff, which is a bit off even for this explanation. But i agree, despite, It's more of a lore thing, but without this assumption (Reading Steiner) the whole story with D-mails wouldn't work and that was the reason why SERN couldn't success in their time travel work, so it does make sense as a part of the plot and as an explanation to the ending in it's original state. And speaking about SG0 it's time travel part is rather poorly written, but I like it anyway, more in a characters way then theoretical though.
The point with the T1 line SERN has ALSO isn't a plot hole. This time it's just you not understanding Steins;Gate. It's entirely possible (and extremely likely, although we never get any direct confirmation for this) that in one of the alpha worldlines SERN caught Makise Kurisu (which Suzuha states is the case) and they got their time machine from her and proceeded to use it to get it sooner by having the lab use the LHC, thereby creating another alpha world line in which SERN developed it faster. So the cause of SERN connection to the lab is to be found in another world line and is completely detached from the outcome (SERN having the time machine sooner, even without Kurisu's enforced cooperation). So you can't make an argument there would be a plothole by trying to insist SERN would already have achieved the wanted outcome. It's just plain false.
The reason they have a t1 line is really just like they explained in the manga, because of braun and rounders and definitely not for spying the lab. Because basically in steins gate 0 they still have t1 line under the lab in beta world line where they have no clue about the lab and they dont have a working time machine. In alpha world line sern probably have a different version of the time leap machine, and with that machine there is no way they can send past any time travelers or information. They used there time leap machine for there dystopia in there future, they never needed to go far back and this is the reason we don't see any time travelers from sern going around. If they had one, story becomes way more complicated.
Plothole 1: Suzuha might simply not have known about it. In sg0 we see that Daru didn't even tell her that Okabe was alive, so it's very possible that she was underinformed about SERN's activities
She changed the past, changed her position in the world. You dont know how accurate reading Steiner is. How many decimal places? It’s a measurement so must fluctuate
In the anime, Makise makes reference to the SERN test subjects getting turned into mush while talking to Okabe but she says this to Okabe in the world line where the IBN 5100 is missing. Would she not therefore have no idea about any of the SERN files and the information about the test subjects contained in them?
could be a plothole but what episode is this? the immediate explanation that comes to mind is that okabe would have told her. also i think they hacked in and got some information but other stuff was locked behind the ibn code but i forget
I glanced at the comment section, saw a bunch of other people discussing this, and decided to throw in my lot. I want to preface this by proposing that most of these aren't really plotholes, just things that the anime does a worse job of making clear compared to the VN. 1. It actually does make sense that SERN would notice the discrepancy. The VN goes into more detail about this, but ECHELON could have easily found an issue with the send date on the d-mail. That, and the message being disconnected between two separate emails (which cut off due to the size limit) would appear odd in the case that it was manually reviewed. This also doesn't take into account that it could have caused some kind of system error or memory fault (again, due to the inconsistency between the dates) which they would have looked into. As a second point, this version of Titor had incomplete information and even stated that some of it was deliberately falsified, so going off of that alone doesn't really hold as much weight. 2. Even though I haven't finished it yet, I have a feeling that Anonymous;Code might elaborate on this. Regardless, it makes sense if you consider that in the Steins;Gate worldline, time travel was never successfully invented, thus Suzuha never time traveled, and thus, she still would exist in the future as opposed to the present (that one OVA/movie technically doesn't fit this, but I'm counting that as non-canon unless proven otherwise). The whole reason she could exist in the past is because the time machine was built in the first place. Take that away, and she is "displaced" back to the future. 3. The line was likely specifically for Tennouji given that at minimum he is the "leader" of the local group of Rounders and thus would need secure comms back to HQ. The lab also having having immediate access was a fortunate coincidence for them. Another possibility is that SERN also would have been aware that the FGL needed to "invent" time travel first before they can act against them, otherwise they risk a paradox where they no longer perfect time travel because they needed Kurisu to do so. So in that regard, it would make perfect sense for them to plant the line in advance in the past (which Okabe actually speculated on in the VN) in anticipation of them hacking the LHC to ultimately further their own ends. 4. Inheriting the land doesn't automatically make them loaded with hard cash, just a hereditary owner that could potentially act as an investor/shareholder assuming they hadn't already sold the rights in the past whether by choice or by the government appropriating it. This is also assuming that a good portion of the money hadn't already been spent/blown by other family members or used as the startup for her dad's current company. He originally died in a plane crash, so Faris sent a D-mail with a fake kidnapping message to stop him from boarding the plane. As stated in the VN, the ransom was 100 million Yen (roughly $680,000 USD as of today), which when talking to Okabe after he "rescued" Faris, he stated that he didn't posses. He considered in hindsight that he could have mortgaged the company, but at the time, SERN was snapping up IBNs like candy for ridiculous sums of money, and he would have known how much they were selling for being a PC enthusiast. So he took the offer at face value and prepared the ransom, which was likely either dead dropped somewhere, or he just straight up kept it once he learned that Faris was fine. 5. The VN and S;G0 both explain this better than the anime. Memories can "bleed over" for lack of a better term, which lore wise is mentioned as a form of deja vu that anyone can experience, but that Okabe is extremely well attuned to. Luka and Faris both experienced this, and S;G0 touches on this as well. Or, even without the amnesia from the failed trip, she still would have needed a different name on the off chance she ran into anyone who would meet her in the future to avoid minor confusion at best or a potential paradox at worst. By pure coincidence she could have chosen to take Hashida as a surname as opposed to Amane Suzuha, but personally I think the memory thing is more likely. 6. This one I can somewhat agree with, though I don't like how the anime handled that particular scene either. Ultimately, you could blame it on convergence since Nae time leaping was the reason for Okabe's destined death in 2035 for this particular worldline (and only this one as far as we know). If nothing else, it does come off a somewhat out of character...but so does Tennouji offing Moeka in the anime. Again, convergence is the best explanation I have for this one, and in my opinion, is the biggest plothole on this list. 7. Same potentially as #2 which comes back to spatial displacement after time leaping, regardless of RS activating. If I remember right, time leaping results in an imperceptibly small change in the worldline, but that on it's own is enough to displace the location of where someone was to somewhere else entirely. Otherwise, she could have been hiding in Future Gadget #7 as proven by Mayuri in Linear Bounded Phenogram. 8. As for her having a phone, this version of her that time leaped is already contained in a self-propagating loop for this worldline. She could have stolen someone else's phone...Or she might actually have one so that her dad could call her in an emergency or vice versa, though there is no proof of this as far as I can remember. This is just my take on everything. There could be something else that I missed or forgot, or another explanation for these. Personally, I would also disagree about the anime being better than the visual novel because it cuts internal monologue which gives better insight to Okabe's character, as well as some other information that got cut due to time constraints/condensed worldbuilding. I don't really understand your argument at the end of the video considering that Kurisu said something pretty similar in the visual novel (unless that wasn't the exact point you were getting at), but to each their own.
1: foretelling Makise's stabbing would seem a bit weird to me, even if it didn't happen because people intervened. 2: reconstructed around the new events. This is the justification, without WWIII in the future, Suzuha never goes back to 2010. Thus, she disappears. 3: a suspicious foretelling (likely prevented by authorities because of it) followed by a group of random people suddenly trying to get information on time travel, i would watch them too. 4: possibly desperation from the father being worried about Faris. Also possibly from before they owned Akiba
John Titor wasn't saying that nobody considered using _information_ to send to the past, but that they hadn't considered specifically using e-mails to do so. As in the method, using the D-mails and microwave phone, was a foreign concept - not necessarily what is being conveyed through the e-mail itself.
Likely through SERN's fully operational and functional time machine that Daru failed to fully reverse engineer in the Alpha attractor field. Only SERN would know about D-mails in the future since John Titor never learned anything about them from Daru.@@WeebJail
I have a question about Faris's kidnapping that part always confused me the ransom message was Faris's own D-mail, meaning that the kidnapping was fake so faris's dad didn't really need to sell his IBN 5100? sorry if this is a dumb question
There is just one timeline. The other world lines vanish, and all plot holes with them. The last scene in Steins;Gate 0 actually shows how he rescues these versions which never actually travel through time because there were never any dead bodies. So the last scene actually just vanishes and the memories merge together. That's often teased in the anime too. My theory even is that time travel in this anime is only possible because the timelines never completely vanish; the memories stay but are just buried deep down. And Okabe is the only one who makes science in time travel actually possible because he actually remembers it. And I think the last scene of Steins;Gate actually has just the reason to show that Okabe always used the time travel machines first. (At least in the chronological order of the time machines.) So the only thing you need to understand is if the past gets changed the other worldlines disappear but the memories stay and that's the reason why time travel actually works in Steins;Gate. Even if the traveled persons vanish because of the grandfather paradox, the time still changes because the memories stay. Even if memories they should never have had get buried deep in their dreams (despite Okabe. Okabes memories working exactly the other side around).
To the t1 line, it is just a small pothole. And the explanation that it is for Mr. Braun and/or to spy on them is enough for me. And I don't really think they need a time traveler from the future to think as far as that if they give them permission, they probably make a time machine that they can snitch if they invent it. Shinning finger allways shots the TV too. And she doesn't seem to know that its needet for timetravel. Okabe often teased that "they" spy trough these too.
Regarding the Faris thing, it is easy to say they had no money at that time, and as you said, they could have wanted the IBM regardless of money anyway.
The CERN plot hole with the D-mail actually is there, but I think it should show how big of an organization it is. They spy on everything, and that's the reason why they give them the T1 line later. They know that Okabe nearly has a time machine and give him everything to complete it because they tried for years and couldn't even send a D-mail. And maybe while they searched for something like a D-mail they tried to send themselves, they found Okabe's.
i have question for king of weaboos who is the author of story in steins gate? ( i've googled it but it allways show the studio who made the vn an five people)
i think the main one is chiyomaru but i mean it's a team of people. especially i think the anime adaptation is way better than the original so i don't think of steins;gate as really the product of one person, rather those 5 plus the writers and director of the anime
Back in my day, This " ua-cam.com/video/lYXvo3w4_YE/v-deo.html " was the best Stains;Gate content available on youtube. Past me would be so hype to look forward to Weeb Jail in 2022.
The VN answers some of these: 1. idk why it's a plot-hole. The worldline can change by doing things in the present. SG 0 VN states this. 2. Suzuha disappearing makes sense. The time machine brings Okabe to the future and the worldline shifts. Once it shifts, suzuha goes away because time machines don't exist in the SG worldline, so Suzuha doesn't exist. 3. In the VN, it says that Mr. Braun has the server connection to his building. Daru just takes advantage of it without knowing it was setup by CERN 4. I'm pretty sure they were just extorting the Dad to get the IBN 5100 5. Since anyone can have reading steiner, and the second Suzuha trip happens after the she learns who her Dad is, she probably just remembered 6. 7. 8. True xD
sorry if the video wasn't totally clear what i was saying about all of these lol 1. that part wasn't the plothole haha, that was the part people THINK is a plothole but isn't. 2. no no things can exist on other worldlines than the one they originally started on. it doesn't matter where she actually came from because she isn't part of that worldline anymore. now this does violate some laws of thermodynamics but you do gotta break a few rules to write an interesting science fiction story. 3. right but that explanation doesn't make sense either, i explained this bit in the part where i was talking about the manga. 4. they were extorting him, but the extortion doesn't make sense because he should have basically infinite money if they really did own all of akihabara. 5. you're right, this one actually is possible but still kinda weird without any explanation or anything lol
@@WeebJail Faris explains in the visual novel that when she was kidnapped, her father was not yet rich and only became rich with the growth of his companies.
@@Zero-zv3iv right again so the problem here is that faris's family owns akihabara. they have infinite money. her father being "not yet rich" doesn't make sense here
@@WeebJail I'm pretty sure during the faris route it is said that her father came to acquire part of akihabara only after expanding his electronics company rather than having inherited it. I believe the "my family owned akihabara" part is simply a half truth half lie of faris chuunibyou personality.
@@Zero-zv3iv yeah im pretty positive that doesn't happen. and this is why faris's name is akiha, akihabara is supposed to be name after them also buying up a district of tokyo instead of inheriting it would basically take an impossible amount of money lol here's literally everything the vn says about this [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“This is an old story... a story from before my company got as big as it is.”[%p] [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Rumiho was kidnapped. The kidnapper demanded an unthinkable ransom.”[%p] [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Maybe I should have mortgaged the company instead.”[%p] [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“But at that moment, someone appeared, like a godsend, offering a large sum of money to buy my IBN 5100.”[%p] [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“I sold it, which gave me enough to prepare Rumiho’s ransom.”[%p] [name]Faris[line]“Let’s not talk about that, nya...”[%p] For some reason, Faris’s face turns red with embarrassment.[%p] If I had to say, her dad seems really happy to tell this story.[%p] Not something you’d expect from a kidnapping story.[%p] [name]Rintaro[line]“So who was the buyer?”[%p] [name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Hmm, a French businessman, I believe. I think I still have his contact information. Would you like it?”[%p]
I feel like there’s a difference between being the only person to find the plot hole or if you’re just making some shit up. The only plot hole that makes sense is the nye disappearing after using the time leap machine. Other than that to me it seems the rest or atleast most of them are just because you don’t see the deep enough.
@@WeebJail well with Suzuha Okabe and the Time Machine when okabe reaches Stiens gate. Okabe is the worlds observer what world line he’s on is the world that is being currently seen and viewed suzu and the Time Machine just disappeared in time because I don’t think they had the fuel to make the trip back because if they succeeded they wouldn’t have needed to go back so they get sent randomly though time but because Okabe wakes up in the Stiens gate world line it’s no longer being perceived so it doesn’t really exist. Now I want to say I believe the VN is better while you believe the anime is better. I believe the anime is a perfect straight version of the true Okabe without any unnecessary things like the splits off to different world lines or nyes weird disappearance but even I still feel like that has some kind of meaning. Though has a huge fan myself I could be coping and have bias that I just don’t see yet.
@@WeebJail at the end of steins gate 0 Suzu and mayuri are sent randomly through time and Okabe and the rest have to find where they are using a device daru made and that’s were okabe switches out his Time Machine give its to suzu and mayuri and deceives the world by making it seem like he dies in 2025
@whitestarphoenix7404 Nae disappearing is not a plot hole, do you remember what happens when they send bananas to the past? When the world line shifts, if shift is very small or predetermineted, reading steiner won't kick in. Thats literally happened multiple times in the show. Even if you don't have reading steiner, when you watch the banana during time travel experiment you will see a blink teleportation but its not teleportation its just banana going to past and you should normally remember the banana appearing in the past if you don't have reading steiner and not remembering when its disappear from microwave but what happens is totally reverse. Because the world line shift is too small, its just changing the physical world but memories stays same. Its literally a quantum physic experiment reference, check the Double slit experiment if you don't know already.
For the first plothole, I think it is all about future events, as you know sern will take adventage of okabe time machine. All they where looking for was anything about time travel. Time travelling email was something they were looking for and it triggers sern attack on okabe's lab etc. For suzuha dissappearance. It makes perfect sense. Remember as okabe changed one time past and no one remembered about moeka? It works same way. Okabe changes timeline where time machine is never invented and so, suzuha can never time travel back so she need to dissappear. Maybe the whole scene of dissappearance was unnecessary but she can't exist in timeline where time machine was never invented For sern letting daru take over their servers it was all about what I talked earlier. They wanted to find out how message could time travel. Sern even after years of experiments wasn't able to change anything in past or future. Getting access to lab they could with easy spy on them and make an ambush when most of critical persons like okabe, kurisu and daru where present. Also we know that makise was able to build working time machine in future for sern so it doesn't really matter. It works the same way as Dr leskinen in steins gate 0. They don't really need to do much. Timeline will prevent any changes to happen. Second time travel of suzuha happens after mayurii discovers that the real father of suzuha is daru. So no plot hole here
for the first one, i said in the video that's what they should have been doing lol. that's not what happened though. for suzuha disappearing, she's in a time machine this is completely different from people not knowing moeka. moeka doesn't disappear they haven't met her, that's completely different i believe i answered your comment about the computer thing in the video no? what you're talking about is only possible if sern already has a time machine, meaning there's no point in spying on the lab and then the last thing, no in this timeline the lab party never occurs and she never learns who her father is
@@WeebJail maybe they have to? Have to capture makise kurisu to make for them time machine? We know that sern is able of creating time machine in future. Suzuha states it as soon as she reveals she is from future. So all they want to do to is to close loop the same way as okabe faked kurisu death. Wouldnt sern time traveling to make sure everything happens more reasonable as option. The only thing that really is strange is John titor words about not having dmail in 2036. Well it kinda makes sense? Since okabe later in steins gate doesn't allow to use dmail to save mayurii for example (later he does that to go back to original time line and he won't be able to do it using only dmails since dmails itself, their existance is a cause for mayuris death)
there doesn't need to be a closed loop in the story, things can exist from other worldlines but even if there was this would physically require knowledge of the future, which would mean they have a time machine
@@WeebJail but as I said. Sern in theory can have time machine. Suzuha says that sern creates time machine and the mother of it is makise kurisu. That is why she hates her at very beginning but she don't know that makise was forced to do it - why? Because time line goes with it, in same timeline as suzuha comes from future, sern attacks and they are there to capture okabe, makise and daru. Okabe and daru in future will make live harder for sern and makise can make one for them. My assumption is that sern don't have the same one time machine as suzuha does. They use time leap to do so. Makise is more skilled in brain and neurophysiology of body, not quantum mechanics etc. so for her it would be easy to build time leap machine
@@WeebJail 1. The whole reason that the Alpha Attractor Field exists and SERN completes his time machine in the future is that they notice this email thus the activity of the Future Gadget Lab. If you delete this, this whole chain of causality collapses. It was never said that the only way to change worldlines is changing the past. In fact, from other Science Adventure media (and even in S;G 0) there are examples of worldline changes without changing the past. 2. Suzuha and the time machine are erros. Errors are either disappearing if the system works correctly, ot they must be eliminated by the debuggers. This is context from other Science Adventure media. Okabe is also kind of an error in the movie 3. The line is there for Tennouji. I don't why are you not satisfied with this explanation... He is the leader of the Akiba Rounders. And they didn't necessarily build that line. It could have been realbooted by a gigalomaniac 4. Back then, he wasn't that rich, as he points out. 6, 7, 8: Nae's disappearing can be explained in several ways: for example, she turned the time leap machine on to time leap, but she felt that Okabe is coming, so she shut it down and hide in the lab. And after Okabe left, she actually time leaped.
BRUH, this is literally my all time fav anime, I don't even know how many times I rewatched it and yet i never thought about these plot holes, guess this shows just how much I love this series and how much it resonated with my soul and how much it gave me, cause i'm sure about nothing in my life, but about one thing, that Steins;Gate will always be my fav anime.💜
Okabe not running into his past self when he goes back in the time machine a second time is potentially a plot hole, because changing worldlines preserves previous time travel arrivals. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to send a dmail, then send a 2nd dmail to cancel the first one. Both dmails need to arrive for the cancelling to work, or even make sense. Just like 2 dmails (from different past worldlines) can arrive on a new worldline, so should 2 time travellers be able to arrive. In fact if changing worldlines erased previous time travel arrivals (dmail or physical), then it's trivial to reverse any number of changes by just creating a new worldline.
what youre talking about is the convergence point. they have the same convergence point where a different event occurred and split into two worldlines. in one worldline a d-mail was received and one course of events happened, and sending a dmail again cancels out the changes and the worldline converges back to the original
Not sure what you're talking about. If you send a dmail to someone in the past to tell them to eat a slice of cake, the cancel dmail will be a second dmail telling them not to eat the cake despite the first dmail. The receiver gets both emails and it's up to them what to do. Which is why they couldn't cancel Moeka's dmail where she told herself where the IBN 5100 is, despite receiving multiple dmails with warnings not to go to Yanabayashi shrine, she still goes (due to the first dmail she sent herself). She receives all of them, her initial one and all the ones Okabe sends to try to convince her not to go. When there is a worldline change, all the previous changes are retained, including arriving dmails. That same rule should apply to physical time travellers.
right the receiver gets both emails but the end result ends up being exactly the same, they don't eat the cake, so the worldline converges. or, they still eat it even though the d-mail says not to, and the worldline doesn't change back. moeka not following okabe's d-mails is a completely different problem. her problem is that she won't listen to the other d-mails because she'll only listen to fb. once she gets the d-mail from fb she follows it and the worldline converges back, even though she's received several d-mails from okabe. the previous changes are retained but the worldline becomes the same because of worldline convergence.
Imagine instead of sending a dmail to tell the person to eat the cake, you physically time travel and tell the person to eat it. They eat it and later again you travel to tell them NOT to eat it (just like the 2nd dmail). There should be 2 time travellers arriving, one to tell them to eat the cake, one to tell them not to eat the cake, just like you had 2 dmails arriving with those messages.
what about how when suzuha disappeared why did okabe remain if he wasnt from tht worldline, reading steiner made more sense but instead his other self disappeared, the one who thought kurisu was dead when she was only ko
i think because they're not shifting worldlines, rather changing the worldline, they end up being the same okabe? you might be right though i'd have to think about this more lol
if this is all the same timeline then all events would be happening together and there would be 2 time machines but because it's separate it plays out how it does
Time Machine make different divergence = different "sub-worldline" from main-worldline like time-leaping repeat again and again but there are no multiple Okabe try to help Mayuri at the same time.
I also find it kinda weird that okabe didn’t have to erase the lottery d mail to go back to the beta world line, or is it just because it didn’t change the divergence number too much?
did they not show this? i forget but this one he sent to himself so it would be extremely trivial to undo. same as the one stopping suzuha from leaving
He didn't send it to himself. He sent it to Ruka. In the end, it didn't matter since she got the numbers wrong. But I would think that they would still need to undo it because aren't all of these D-Mails something that might draw the attention of SERN?
@@TBCOGR late comment, but he did send it to himself. Ruka explains that he bought the lotto ticket because Okabe asked him to, presumably after he had received the D-mail from his future self.
I used to love time travel concept but nah I quit. What a pain. What's the point. Literally only the "present" is more important, while the "past" its already there andd cannot be change, and the "future" naturally depends on your present actions and decisions. I'm more enjoying Mashle because there's nothing to even think about, it was just fun, but this is just an example.On the other hand I enjoyed Steins;Gate when I watched it 10 years ago.
Here's the loose end that never made sense to me: In the Alpha worldline, it's established that Suzuha IS John Titor. So I would assume that, in the Beta worldline, all of those John Titor internet posts back in 2000 were also made by Suzuha. She even says that she stopped back in 2000 before coming to 2010 to take Okabe back to save Kurisu. But why would she do this? Her entire goal is to stop World War III, which happens because global superpowers are trying to acquire time travel technology. So what is the point of going back to 2000 and making a bunch of internet posts on the subject? Wouldn't she want to divulge as little information about time travel as possible? ("Steins;Gate 0" later seems to retcon this and instead says that she traveled back to 1998 to use an IBN5100 to stop Y2K from happening. But that still doesn't explain where or why the John Titor posts came from in the Beta worldline.)
I don't think you understand the speed difference between a T1 Line and dial up. T1 is Over 1 MBps and dial up is barely 0.056Mbps in the best case is would take over 14 mins to download a single floppy disk. With a T1 that's over a floppy disk per second!
Faris isn't a plothole since they say that the company was much smaller in the beginning. Faris's dad only pays the ransom by selling the IBN 5100 to sern.
Wouldn't Nae have to continually repeat those 25 years once she timeleaped back? That's what I don't get. She would basically have infinite memories of the same events
not necessarily. a time leap isnt capable of massive changes to the worldline so even if she just lives out her life normally without time leaping again nothing would change. one thing im not sure makes sense though is she's a completely different person time leaping that far back so i feel like logically something would have to change, if a murderous 30 year old is living out a child's life that has to have consequences somewhere
@@WeebJail What I mean is if she's getting back to 2010 by timeleaping, then living out those years until 2025 before timeleping again, she's basically just experiencing a closed loop, right? Obviously the worldline isn't changing/has stabilized. She's still experiencing those years over and over again. Unless she's timeleaping forward, though I can't remember if that's possible
@@Incimer oh gotcha. no that's basically the same as okabes time leaping in that framing then, right? you can take slightly different actions without changing the worldline
Thank you so much. Can we talk steins gate 0 for a bit. Please help me. Isn't it unnecessary for mayuri to go back in time to slap okabe 2, since towards the end of the show, the okabe 0 in zero is already motivated to save kurisu? and when he got older thru hard work he (still okabe 0) eventually did find a way. Did the slap motivate okabe 2 to do something significant to save kurisu, isn't it that okabe 0 was the one who sacrificed all his life to develop a plan to reach steins gate? i think slapping okabe 2, sending mayuri and suzuha in oblivion, was unneccessary. Do you understand me, Am I wrong?
Isnt this also a plot hole?. Since Okabe enters the steins gate worldline through a time machine wouldnt that mean there sould be 2 okabes in that worldline( the one we followed and the one who was already there) .
Pardon, but how is the SERN noticing the D-Mail a plot hole? Is you argument here that it's "somehow unrealistic"? Something very much like Echelon exists in the real world. It's called XKeyscore and was brought into the public view by Edgar Snowden.
Simple explanation for the IBN5100 plothole: Feyris's family business took off after the kidnapping and _then_ they got mega rich, enough to buy Akiba? Am I missing something?
There’s another plot hole that I’ve hear of, the vid is titled ‘the only plot hole in Steins;Gate’. You’ve probably seen it, if so can you explain how it’s wrong then.
So, an unmentioned plot hole I want to bring up, and it is by far the largest. When Okabe sends the first D-mail saying Kurisu died, this should not have prevented Kurisu's death in the alpha field. The only plot element that prevents Kurisu from dying is that Suzuha crashes the time machine, causing panic and canceling Dr. Nakabachi's conference. The cause of this is SERNs monopoly on time travel, causing her to use a scuffed time machine and messing up the coordinates. SERNs monopoly on time travel hinges on the kidnapping of...Kurisu. But Kurisu is dead. How is SERN, via Echelon intercepting the first D-mail, preventing Kurisu's death? SERN can't take over the world if she is dead.
@WeebJail I think you misunderstood. The timeline shift could not have caused the effect of "time machine crash". The D-mail, which was the catalyst of the shift, put Okabe in a world line where this crash happened. But I am saying that such a world line CAN NOT exist because: Time machine crash causes-> Conference cancelled causes->Kurisu alive causes-> time machine crash. Its a causal loop. You seem to think that world line shifting "causes x", but what is actually happening is the following: First Dmail is sent to the past, current worldline becomes inactive, world line with dmail being received becomes active, Reading Steiner activates and keeps Okabes memories of previous world line intact. The difference with this shift is, Makise dying is a convergence point, escaping that fate by definition means that you are now on a different attractor field with the new convergence being Mayuri dying. My argument states that, it is the reality of the Dmail receipt that causes such a massive divergence, because SERN gets that in their database. If this wasn't the case, like in other instances, the divergence would have likely been small and unnoticeable, such as the lottery dmail. A world line where Makise Kurisu is alive should not exist because of the mentioned events and causal loop. There is no reason for Okabe's first Dmail to have caused as drastic a change as it did, because SERN needs Kurisu alive as an initial condition. The way it is set up in this series, Kurisu should be DEAD in both worldlines, no amount of world line divergence should have saved her.
wait, i get what you're saying but let's back up a sec, serns monopoly on time travel happens anyway, when she lives it's because she is kidnapped by sern. when she died it's because nakabachi takes her paper on time travel, and her death leaves no one left to reproduce it, right?
@WeebJail As we know, in the SERN overlords scenario, Makise Kurisu, being referred to as the Mother of the Time Machine, is vital to SERN monopolizing and perfecting time travel. The Nakabachi Papers as its called, Kurisu's thesis, is only important to SG0 and WW3 events. This is because only two things ever can happen with these papers, because Nakabachi is a little thief. The first we know well as is Steins Gate finally being achieved route. The main thing that happens is Nakabachi defecting to Russia with the papers. As far as I know, there is no scenario where SERN actually gets their hands on it, unless you can point to some source where this is the case. When Nakabachi has it, it doesn't wind up with SERN. It winds up with Russian Intelligence, WW3.
Nice vid, I must be in steins gate hell since all of my recommendations are about that subject. What a strange world line. Anyways, SERN might just have access in the future to the huge data collection efforts world governments put into collecting as much information on private citizens as possible. Maybe after a metric shit ton of searching or perhaps targeted searching on all data sent around that time period, they eventually flagged that message. Still a bit of a stretch but unfortunately not as big as one as you might imagine.
it's not so much that it's a stretch for them to be monitoring everything and more that it directly contradicts what john titor (suzuha) says and by consequence a lot of the events in the story
@@WeebJail thing is, the first thing you think of when you try to time travel is probably sending data in the form of a text/message/series of 1s and 0s. Sending people is just sending a shit ton of data, so why start with something so large and complex when you can make use of sending a tiny amount of data with much higher chance of success? This was probably just one of the lies made by Titor to seem fake, especially since anyone with knowledge of the time travel technology would 100% believe that its a lie, since they themselves would probably be able to figure out that sending texts is the best way to make use of the tech while it's still iffy, me thinks 🤔
@@Entropy67 sern clearly hadnt done this themselves yet--thats why the lab was able to do what they did also john titors lies were what he posted publicly--he told this to okabe directly
The one thing I dislike about the anime vs the visual novel is the fact that the anime only sparsly used the visual novels OST. the vns ost was a masterpiece, while the ost of the anime (besides the opening of course) was bland affff
Well when you look at the source material that inspired Steins;Gate… it starts to become incredible that they even managed a mediocre story. This is mainly due to the fact that the time travel theory on which Steins;Gate relies is incomprehensible at best, and a complete jumble of nonsense at worst
Wait no, 5 isn't a plothole, when Suzuha goes back in time she does know Daru is her dad, he's the one who repaired the time machine for her to go back
@@WeebJail the UA-camr. He analyzes and tears apart lots of media but he can’t help to gush over Steins;Gate every chance he has. That’s how u found this show. I suggest you watch his Death Note review. It’s a good watch.
@@WeebJail Of course i did. You say that those plotholes do not harm the story at all, but i believe that they are not plotholes to begin with. Steins;gate is perfect man
I've been just marinading my brain in everything Steins;Gate related for the past 2 weeks and have fallen into a slump of what i'm dubbing "PS;GDS" (Post Steins;Gate Depression Syndrome), there's literally nothing else in the world that makes me so happy and so sad at the same time and i'm angry at myself for not instantly watching Steins;Gate when it came out and i was a bit curious about it, i watched the anime 4 years after it came out first time and i fell in love with the series, it's just so goddamn beautiful, painful and hopeful series ;__;
Your Suzahu "vanishing" "plot hole" also isn't one, it's just a case of you don't like it. There is nothing _wrong_ with timelines free of time travelers.
Suzuha disappearing is not a plot hole lol...she has no fkin reason to be there after the world line shifts...In the new world line Kurisu's papers burned so there is no WW3 and instead of kurisu disappearing after deleting the information from sern's database it simply makes it she never became a lab member in the first place so no research on time machine so she doesn't become mother of time travel so no sern's tyranny in the future so no reason for suzuha to travel to the past in this world line too...
it doesn't matter what happens on the new timeline, suzuha is from a different timeline. people can exist on separate timelines, this is like the entire story
@WeebJail Nope, its definitely a plot hole in the visual novel but they fixed it in the anime by not showing suzuha and not mentioning about stabbed Okabe unlike in the visual novel. In Steins Gate world line Okabe never get stabbed, they hospitalized him because he passed out, the reason that Okabe's reading steiner activate at point he lost his consciousness, so thats why he didn't feel the shift but it happened. So no one in the Steins Gate world line remembers about suzuha or time machine because suzuha never land there. This is how Steins Gate mechanics work, in the visual novel they made alot of mistakes but anime directors so smart that they actually changed the most important part with just not showing that parts, and im the literally only one who noticed because all people think if its in the visual novel it will count canon in the anime as well, which is proved to be not true.
uh oh!!! i said that i was gonna release one episode of my analysis series every week and it turns out, i LIED!! instead, we have a completely unrelated video essay about steins;gate OH DEAR. look what happens when you trust youtubers.
on a serious note, i'd written in the bit about the t1 line into episode 10 then realized wait a second this has nothing to do with the rest of the video, and also wait this could probably just be another video. so here we are. clearly 24 episodes of this wasn't enough. i still haven't fully written episode 24 though so maybe we'll get there and retroactively decide that this counts as episode 24's video. probably not, but i mean who knows really. i'm crazy!!
I don't if you will notice it or not but It seems that Steins;Gate ended/started or became a time paradox.
If you watch the 1st & the last episode of Steins Gate then you will notice it, that everytime when assistant Christina dies in the radio building soaking in bloodbath, some one screams so Okabe comes to(notices) her dead body but it was always Okabe(future) that screams. Also when at 1st ep when Makise Christina told Okabe(present), what Okabe(future) was trying to tell her, Okabe(present) said in inner-monologue that he doesn't remember talking to Makise Christina. Which purely indicates that it's a total time-paradox from start. In the movie it also created a time-paradox type when Makise kissed minor Okabe(past middle-schooler Okabe) and gave Okabe(past) the concept of Hoyouin Kyoma(mad scientist) making it difficult for me to grasp which is the original World line 😅
Because in every line something happens which changes the course of line(time machine kicks in, in every world line)
In 1st episode before sending 1st d-mail, there was time machine landed(miscalculated landing) on the Radio building which caused earthquake typo thing in the building which made Okabe & Mayuri left the building.I think it can be answered because it was beta world line, so to prevent the WW3, future tries to interfere the past
Writer of Steins Gate is very brilliant because he executed the story without many potholes & making his audience understand how this time leap & time machine works
@@animadas2306 see my episode 1 of thos series haha
also episode 10
@@WeebJail you got my attention bro
Loved your animeology
i appreciate you
Plothole 1 - Since we're discussing S;G, I believe I'm more than allowed to bring in the VN. SERN has access to Echelon, a program that allows signals to be traced down and able to store information on a encrypted database (that can be accessed via an IBN 5100 because of its program language), the reason why SERN doesn't immediately finds out about Okabe is simply because there are too many information stored on Echelon, so it isn't surprising that they only attacked the lab way later on, that among other reasons (one of which I will say on another plothole). Deleting that first d-mail that SERN got a hold on with Echelon changes the past because they had used Kurisu's Time Leap Machine as a base to build their own time machine, therefore their research over time travel literally skyrocketed and they took over the world. Just like Titor said, they never ever considered the possibility of sending data into the past to change it, but how much of SERN does Titor really know? SERN can literally manipulate information via time travel in the future, so there's a possibility of what Titor said to not be entirely true. Which means that Plothole 1 is questionable and cannot be said to be one, especially when you consider S;G 0 but I won't dwelve into it because it gets confusing.
Plothole 2 - Suzuha's time machine should be the only thing that disappears since the future was changed and there is no race to build a time machine, WW3 never happened. This is indeed a plothole because it breaks the time travel mechanics of S;G. The fans came up with something like she doesn't disappear but leaves in her time machine but the time machine shouldn't even exist at that point, unless she somehow enters it and time travels before it dissapears lol.
Plothole 3 - Mr. Braun (at least of how it is portraited in the VNs) is the leader of the Rounders that are all across the globe. Yes, they need him to report back anything that he comes to learn about, which is why SERN has a direct line right under the Braun Tube Workshop. It doesn't make sense the Rounders don't have a leader since they're basically too many of they, SERN may have the resources but for they to get this much manpower means that they are in actual need of the Rounders to gather info about anyone researching on time travel.
Okabe sent his text because as soon as he sent it, he jumped to a worldline where in the future they control time machines, meaning they could go back to any point in the past and order a direct line to be installed, that's another possibility aside from Mr.Braun's case. SERN is aware that screwing up their own method of achieving time travel would result in a change, so they're careful enough to try to not disturb the lab before the time machine is developed, they're just observing and that won't alter the worldline.
Plothole 4 - On Babel of Grieved Maze, Faris ran away from her house on her birthday because she was upset with her father. Kuroki (the buttler) called him, who took the flight and then he died. As for the ransom money, her family is indeed rich but her kidnapping did not happen, it was all something she made up on her D-mail to make her father not take the flight. Moreover, the "kidnappers" told him to get the money fast, and conveniently SERN was willing to buy the IBN 5100 for an absurd amount so that's how he sold it and got the money. Her family might own a whole district but you nor anyone would know how thing were back then, its not like they can pull up a large amount of money without alerting the bank or whatever, the people working on it might even go crazy and make a scandal out of it saying the Akiba's daughter was kidnapped.
Plothole 5 - In the anime it looks weird but in the VN it is far better explained, so I won't waste time on this one.
Plothole 6 - I agree, Nae time leapping is straight-up stupid and definitely a pothole.
This is my own insight on the S;G plotholes you pointed out, many of which are still being discussed among the community. Check out the steins gate sub reddit to look for something you might have on your mind, the folks there might give you a more concrete answer that me about all of this, thanks for reading if you did so!
For plot hole 3: The reason they have a t1 line is really just like they explained in the manga, because of braun and rounders and definitely not for spying the lab. Because basically in steins gate 0 they still have t1 line under the lab in beta world line where they have no clue about the lab and they dont have a working time machine.
Plothole 2: If that's the case, then Suzuha should also disappear from the present because she would have no reason to come from the future to begin with (how would she be in the present without a time machine anyway?).
Even so, with the amount of time travel they use its ratio of jumps to plot holes is astronomically lower than say back to the future
that is fair, you probably would expect more for a story this complicated lol
I will always defend this series, because it's always been my favorite, but I would be stupid to say that there aren't flaws to it. If you really look at the series, there are quite a bit of questionable details in every category.
@@FerociousMit the show is first and foremost a character driven one, the fact that a time travel dating sim had a story this good and had this few plot holes in honestly a miracle 🤣
The time travel logic in "Back to the Future" is perfectly sound if you just remember this rule: The universe doesn't care about paradoxes; it just needs to make sure that all of the sums tally in the end.
You can kill your grandfather. You will disappear but your grandfather will still be dead, having been killed by... nobody that anyone can quite remember. From a cosmological perspective, events don't matter. Only matter matters. A dead human being takes up as many atoms as a live one.
Explaining plothole 1: The reason the DMail was picked up wasn't because of the contents but the send date. The reason why Dmails were never 'considered' are; A. SERN never released information about DMails. B. Daru never told Suzuha about DMails.
Explaining plothole 2: Much like how Okabe is moved in space according to what the Okabe of that worldline is doing, the similar happened to Suzuha who was moved to where she should be at that time, in the future. This can also be explained through things that happen in Anonymous;Code.
Explaining Plothole 3: The T1 line is so Tennouji and SERN can communicate privately between each other.
Explaining Plothole 4: PgoOFC explains this
Explaining Plothole 5: Either she got the name from Daru or her mother Yuki Amane had told her at some point, though both of those are farfetched, or as PgoOFC says, she remembers or recognises it from another Worldline, much like how Faris and Lukako do during their arks.
Explaining Plothole 6: Although stupid some of the Nae stuff can make sense with some leaps of logic, it's possible for her to join the rounders since (in Robotics;Notes and DaSH) it's shown that she's a very talented fighter so her joining the Rounders and dodging Okabe in the lab is possible especially with her ties to Tennouji (The Rounder's leader), however the points you bring up are pretty good and I agree with them.
God I love this show
About the hole 006, you forgot that the memories of cancelled worldlines aren't gone, just locked up. It's brought up multiple times through the series. Rintaro's Reading Steiner is just a stronger version of this, but it's something everyone has. And since Suzu had years to recover these memories, it's not surprising that she did.
yea that's totally a possible explanation
@@WeebJailnot a totally possible explanation, it IS the explanation💀
@@Felfiner no, it's never brought up or anything and no character comments on her having darus name even though okabe is the only one who knows she's darus daughter, so even if this does make sense it doesn't sound like any of the writers put any thought into it at all
To add more evidence to this, I’d like to add on in Linear Bounded Phenogram there’s a side-story in the Delta worldline where Mr. Braun wins the lottery and he tries to buy something to make Nae happy. Nae says something is missing and there’s a void in her heart.
In the end it’s revealed what what she felt was Suzuha’s absence, even though Nae had never met Suzuha on that worldline. And Okabe explains it was Nae’s strong feelings that crossed over worldlines that helped her vaguely remember.
about 7. Every time the time leap machine is used, the worldline shift an astronomically small amount, so little that Reading Steiner doesn’t produce pain but still preserves his memories, but enough for Nae to take different actions and not go to the lab. Okabe, remembering what he had seen, go to the lab where Nae is now no longer there.
Why does deleting the d-mail break convergence? Well, because SERN doesn't know about the d-mail yet (they find it later in the future). The raid on the lab was on FB's orders alone. They tried to act before SERN sees something which is stupid because THEY WILL see it if it isn't removed before they do so it was pointless (the convergence is on them seeing the d-mail). This isn't a plothole. It is litteraly alpha attractor field whole plot.
fr, suzuha disappearing is because she can't go to her original timeline where the world was fucked from CERNs control and she can't exist somewhere where she will be born later on. it's not a plothole, she knew what was gonna happen. cern noticed and put the t1 line because the d-mails fucked up and showed cern that they were up to something, especially after having already signed into CERN before. suzuha's memories came back so that's why she knows she's hashida and not just amane. the VN stuff with nae got changed anyway so it's literally a non issue as most people only watched the anime/care for the anime as they're so similar. so out of the entire video he only got ONE plothole which was faris' family being rich which the d-mail still needed to be corrected regardless or else CERN would have noticed them still. but also, if you're offered a large sum of money for a seemingly worthless pc, even if you are already rich, why wouldn't you take it? so all in all this video was some ass.
For the second plot hole I always figured in sg when suzuha dissapears its because they reached steins gate and everyone was reverting back to their original world line. As the war never happened suzuha would never have gone in the past so she disappeared but since the time machine can traverse space and time okabe is okay and because he's part of that world line
right but the sg worldline isnt magical in any way it's just another worldline
Also in the Alpha timeline the time machine is visibly crashed inside of the radio tower for weeks on end. This presents a couple problems: firstly SERNs technology that alerts them to time-travel activity should've immediately flagged this, but even if that wasn't the case, a giant machine magically materialized inside of a building there is absolutely no way that it was be so easily accessible to the general public hours, days, and weeks after the occurrence. The Future Gadget Lab just waltzing up the building multiple times throughout the alpha timeline to work on the time machine is beyond far fetched imo
true but this i think is something you just kind of have to go with as a story. a plothole is more of something that doesn't go with the rules the story itself established
In Steins;Gate 0, Daru couldn't see the time machine because he was supposed to invent it in the future and it would create a paradox if he saw it. I remember they gave it a weird flicker effect when he was present and basically became invisible. Maybe it's similar to that? I don't see how it's a paradox to SERN though so this theory needs more explaining.
Certainly security seems a little lax. But we saw that Suzuha found a back way in that involves climbing a rope to then open a door from the inside to let everyone else in, so I guess that was enough to bypass any security perimeter.
I'm more surprised that the authorities just left that massive hazard in the building for 3 weeks. I would have figured that, within a day or 2, they would have gotten a crane to remove it, if only for public safety.
I know objectively speaking it's not perfect.
But for me, subjectively...it is.
Because I honestly do not care for it's flaws. It just resonated way to much with me to actually care about some minor flaws.
So, I will still just continue on with saying that this anime is as close to perfection as it can get, especially for time travel stories.👍
well this is basically the point of the video lol
@@WeebJail Yeah, I realized that, but I wrote my comment early because the video title triggered me a bit. :x
I back this comment up many months later, especially for steins gate 0. I still love the sequel no matter the flaws because it’s highs are some of the best in media I have seen.
I agree that Suzuha shouldn't go by Hashida but it's not a plot hole either. It's just her being a bit careless sometimes. And the plot still works out in the end.
The one related with the IBN5100 might not be a plothole. I agree that is not well explained in the anime but having a lot of properties and fortune (invested) is not incompatible with being low in cash. Selling the PC would be an easy way of getting money quickly for the ransom. I think that you cannot simple go to the bank and get a lot of cash immediately and without taking the risk that the authorities are alerted, something that you would like to avoid in a case like that.
right but it didn't say they're low on cash lol it said they didn't have a lot of money yet because her father's business was still small
which is completely at odds with what faris says about their family being mega wealthy
@@WeebJail maybe Feyris' father lied Okabe because he didn’t want to share too much about his family’s background…
he wouldn't do that, dude just saved his daughter's life lol
@@WeebJail not so sure. He didn’t want to tell the story in the first place and it’s Rumiho who convinced him. But anyway, I’m a novelist, so maybe that’s why I’m inventing this story around it XD
About the Nae one
1. There is any moment in the VN where is stated that Nae doesn't have a cell phone? If not, then there is no problem at all. Also, I think it's pretty logical for her to have one, because her father would not like the possibility of not having any means to contact her and know where she is.
2. Her disappearance from the lab is not a plothole, it's literally the point of the scene. She disappear because she never went there after receiving the future memories, and reading steiner does not activate because time leaps alone don't cause a great impact on the divergence (that's stated by suzuha, in chapter 6 iirc), and, as we have seen with the random dmails, reading steiner only activate with impactful changes. It's basically the same that happens on Luka's route when Okabe suddenly appear elsewhere after Luka's leap (reading steiner did not activate in this ocassion)
there's a moment in the story where suzuha has to run around looking for nae. presumably, if she had a cell phone this would never have happened
also, the reason time leaps don't create divergence is because you're literally going back to the same timeline, time leaping in itself doesn't change anything
I think that might be anime only, because I just completed rereading the VN yesterday and don't remember this scene
Yes, and that's why her disappearance from the lab makes sense
@@silvestri_5 you kind of have to be paying close attention to realize how this scene fits together. it's right before she pushes mayuri in front of the train. suzuha is supposed to be looking for nae as okabe runs off looking for mayuri and she turns up in the subway
Thank you for also accounting for what I've said back a few videos ago. The fact that T1 line exists makes it clear that Braun-shop is a front, but there is no reason why it would be there.
Nae being a killer is also something they rely upon later (as far as I remember), as it makes Okarin "invincible" because he is destined to be dead in 2035. I'm sure you know this, and it doesn't explain any of the plotholes in themselves, it just explains the reason for their existence. Could also be something I remember from Steins;Gate 0, I don't know anymore. It's almost 7 months since I last played the original novels.
i take everything into account!!! haha
and yeah but they don't need this to explain it--okabe realizes this when he tries to give up his own life for mayuri's and tells this to moeka when he confronts her
About the third okabe, maybe time machine just creates a new world line based on the beta convergence's event, it doesnt send you to a specific world line.
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I like the way you analyses some of the plotholes, and how you ended the video...
Because technically you say, as a fan I am aware of all the mistakes that the series can have, but the series is more than just explaining everything and that everything has logic, it is the story that it tells you and what it makes you feel.
I like to apport about some plotholes...
+Faris' fortune: If i remember, in "Aishin Meizu No Babel" the father of Faris, told to Dr. Nakabachi is having problems with the company and will no longer be able to finance his research... Speaking of economic problems that as a small factor of causality for future events...
+SERN checking "D-Mails" I think here it's like that chance to find the suspicious information, like the US NSA spying on conversations (by the way, greetings FBI agents who see our conversations...take the opportunity to watch Steins;Gate).
there is a lot of thinks that may be dont make sense, but thanks to all the extra material, we at least have a little answer
well the faris thing was that their family owns akihabara. they should have basically infinite money. their wealth didn't come from his company, this part of the story is just super confused lol
again the email isnt suspicious in the slightest. literally it just says that someone got stabbed
@@WeebJail Oh thats true jejjeej @.@
@@WeebJail Speaking of things that should be solved by money and influence: Why does SERN choose the most barbaric and convoluted way of obtaining the time machine (provided they actually needed to obtain it in the past for some reason)? Why bomb the city? Why send armed killers after the protagonists?
They should have just confronted them legally (proof of hacking, take them into court and blackmail them with this) or an even more elegant solution: approach them with a work contract as a result of their good hacking skills. Those are some broke ass teenagers who would probably love some good pay.
All those assassins, bombs, extreme measures bothered me greatly because they led to moments like Okabe escaping from that dude's car and other physical feats that a nerd like him shouldn't be able to pull off in order to advance the plot.
Keep in mind what I'm saying is from very distant memories so I might be entirely wrong here so feel free to debunk me.
@@Garrus876 well for one they're basically evil so they do evil things lol.
but the real answer here is that they knew the future gadget laboratory was onto them. they wouldn't work for sern because they knew they were evil.
as for why they needed to invade the lab it's because they were planning to go public with the time machine the next day. sern needed to stop that from happening.
and the reason okabe is able to get away from them is wordline convergence--it's set that he's basically invincible in this moment so they can't actually harm him
@@WeebJail Just issue a cease and desist and take those nerds to court bruh 😆 Throw money at the problem the smart way.
Last comment lol. Loved your take on plotholes being there so the stories message was more coherent and beautiful rather than being logically sound
1(the actual #1). There are multiple things that might answer this. One is that, as Suzuha said, when posting as John Titor, she mixed in some truth with some lies to make it seem like Titor was fake. That could have been a lie. Why go on @Chan? I forgot. Anyways, another possibility is that Sern and the Committee are looking for any hint that time travel is possible. Whether they know how to or if they don't doesn't matter. As long as there is a chance, the projects will continue. That is probably why it takes quite some time for them to act since it probably was not their primary focus to look at messages for a hint at time travel and only was found after later searching was conducted. I mean, why wait so long to act if they had found the message immediately?
5. This will be short and sweet since it can most likely be implied like the rest of the characters that were affected by D-Mail ended up getting Reading Steiner and learning about other experiences from other worldlines. It's a little more vague but can be interpreted as Suzuha getting Reading Steiner and remembering Mayuri's deduction skills.
Time for #6,7,8. Honestly, my least favorite part of the anime was the changes done to this part. First off, maybe him killing himself in his house was a little too much, but him sparing Moeka made sense. Throughout his life, he was forced to do the Committee's dirty work and with his family being used as a way to make him keep working. He only wants the best for them. Now we see that Mr. Braun already had a soft spot for Moeka when he tried to cut ties with her and keep out of the Rounder business by not talking to her. He cares for Moeka. We even are shown this in (I hate to say it, but) My Darlings Embrace where Braun treats her like his daughter. Killing her would go against what he wants.
Now, onto why Braun killed himself. It was inevitable. The Committee obviously threatened him with Nae. Either him or Nae. Now, killing himself will keep Nae and Moeka safe since there is practically no connection to them and know nothing, meaning they can live a life without being hunted for what they know. Obviously, Braun wouldn't know his daughter would blame his death on the other two, but that's just how it turned out.
Now the big thing. Why did Nae disappear after the time leap? My theory makes this really simple. After time leaping, Okabe hopped into a different worldline where Nae didn't use the machine that day but a couple of days earlier. The reason Reading Steiner does not activate during this is because of the miniscule effect it has on the worldline. No one watched her time leap technically, so only Nae's location changed. Since she went back a couple of days to use the time leap machine, there was no reason for her to use it on that wordline on that day effectively making it look like no one touched it when Okabe went inside.
Now, this whole situation in the VN is even more important due to how it connects S;G with the rest of SciADV. It's one of the few parts I have trouble with the anime, but it doesn't make it terrible. Don't get me wrong, it's still really good. So saying this is a plothole doesn't make sense imo when his decisions can be seen as reasonable and are explained.
i believe the lies were what titor posted publicly. she told this to okabe directly
and sure they're looking for any hint but again all it said is that someone got stabbed. there's nothing actually suspicious about this
@Weeb Jail but the suspicious part was the date that the message was sent. The time basically tipped them off that "hey, these guys might have accomplished a form of time travel let's get em."
@@just-_-wandering i think i addressed this in the video but there's a million different reasons that could have happened. an email having a slightly weird send time doesn't really indicate time travel lol
@Weeb Jail I mean, might as well check anyway. It's not like it hurts them and if it turns out to be true then good on them, they can find out answers to time travel. A couple teenagers disappearing won't be world changing in the grand scheme of things. It can be more easily covered up than all the gel people appearing in walls.
Anyways, I did try to answer 5 and 6-8 with what I believe are answers to them. Just in case you wanted to discuss more stuff.
answer 5 could make sense with a little more explanation in the novel.
your answer for 6 doesn't--nae going back in time to kill moeka is a pretty significant change, and even if it wasn't he wouldnt just shift worldlines without noticing
as for the mr braun thing, i never said he shouldn't kill himself. obviously he still does in the anime. i said he would never kill himself where his daughter could see it.
i appreciate the effort to explain them but you can't just take something that obviously doesn't make sense and then say it doesn't make sense to call it a plothole lol
I'm actually glad someone else noticed the 3rd Okabe thing too XD. You are not alone man!
I personally always thought that the 3rd oint T1 line to darus line is actualy not to darus line but to brauns line
because he is a rounder for SERN
and since they share the building they have a common line
I think
bruh
I did not see the braun part before lol
my bad
rip haha
Was not expecting Homestuck music, that's for sure. I love Savior of the Waking World so I vibed to it. Great video, king.
hell yea
I think i´ve learned more about steins;gate from you than actually watching and playing all of it.
welcome to my kingdom
Even with the ammount of plot holes i got sold on the ship and not existing
I remember analyzing S;G and only finding one plot hole so I'll be analyzing your analysis lol. I'm going to add to this list as I watch:
1. Don't trust everything said by John Titor! Suzuha admitted to intentionally spreading lies in order to throw off SERN. Besides she obviously was missing a lot of information anyway (she didn't even know her dad)
2. Yeah, that's the one I noticed.
3. I doubt that line was created for the Lab. It is most likely there to keep their interactions with Mr. Braun a complete secret (and in real time). He is FB, the head of the Rounder in Akihabara, but the Rounders in general aren't supposed to have any public connection with SERN. So, sending messages over the internet would be risky.
4. Fair point.
5. I used to agree, but my head cannon is that it was due to convergence/coincidence that she has her father's last name. Daru is the one who fixed the machine, so she just decided to take his name to avoid confusing Mr. Braun.
6. True! I remember having a few more issues with the VN
7. She could be hiding among the future gadgets, or perhaps there is some secret exit for Rounder business. Though I forgot about this point until now.
8. Again, true!
So yeah, more like 4 plot holes for the VN and 2 for the anime which is incredibly impressive for a time travel story! And like you said, none of these have any serious repercussions for the story as a whole... except maybe the Nae stuff... Regardless, Steins:Gate is still my favorite anime of all time!
yeah you think there'd be more lmao it's kind of impressive
counterpoints though:
1. suzuha posted lies publicly. this was said to okabe privately. also, this fits with how the story plays out--had sern considered using information to change the past, the future gadget lab wouldn't have gotten this far.
3. pretty sure i addressed this in the video but also riskier than building a direct t1 line from france to japan for ONE random grunt? idk man you can encrypt messages over the internet, and also they could also communicate without using the internet lol
5. yea this one totally could have been convergence.
and yea i bring up the vn a lot besides my whole video on it but the anime is like waaaaaaay better lol
@@WeebJail 5.Not sure if you read the Manga about Suzuhas adventures since in that it is stated that suzuha figures out what the letters in pin means (on her own after traveling to the past) and by doing so realizes that Daru is his father
i do have a video reviewing this manga
@@WeebJail So is your point then that it does not count? since if not it still works as explanation even if everything else in manga would count as shit lol.
Because of that fact that time travel itself is a paradox with “plot holes”. Looking at it, its not very suprising that they exist
Lol. As I was watching this video I was remembering my question from last weeks video and waiting with dread to be dunked on in video form(thanks for not doing that btw)
The question about "why not just jump to a different world line? It worked to keep karizu alive"
And the answer could have been "because the plot needs to happen"
Given the quality of the plot and the story overall, that's a fine enough answer.
wait why would i dunk on your comment lol
@@WeebJail i don't know, but the week after I ask my question about plot consistency- you release a video addressing the plotholes of Stein's Gate.
Had me a bit nervous 😀
1: john titor doesn't say it wasn't even thought of it. he says they didn't use it because it would be impossible to control. the only reason okabe uses it freely, is because of a thing called reading steiner that makes him keeps his memory. so it's not that they never even thought of sending text, it would just be useless to them.
but it would also make sense for them to have a system that can detect it, just in case someone else uses it. we never learn who exactly is making these decisions or what are the systems they have for detecting stuff like this. but something like this COULD exist, and that could is enough to make something as left as vague as this not a plot hole.
4. ok so.... this one is just wrong.
both events were in the past. it is entirely possible that farris's family became filthy rich and owned a large portion of akihabara after the incident had happened. we don't know the exact date of these, so it is entirely possible.
5.what? she does right before going to the past. it's a different timeline, but the suzuha that went there was the same suzuha. this is the whole reason suzuha disappearing at the end doesn't make sense!!! this part is also just wrong.
I guess you could say that, since she lost her memory, why would she even remember her name? but I don't think that's abnormal, for people to remember their name in certain cases of memory loss. in fact, the fact that she remembered her actual family name over the one she used her entire life, is kind of poetic.
4. ? no it VERY clearly establishes that this is from long ago. she says that the name akihabara comes from her family name which is akiha.
5. no he sends the dmail to prevent suzuha from staying and learning about her father. in this timeline she doesnt know about him.
@@WeebJail 4. ok this may sound very stupid... but are we sure akiba wasn't named during that time?
because the world of steins;gate is actually far from being 1 to one from the real world, even though that may seem like it, sg is a part of a whole ass vn series with that has so many differences to the real world...
BUT, fair still, fair enough.
5. ooooooh.... ok that's what it was. then yeah that's a mistake. although it's a VERY obvious one. so it does make me think if there was meant to be more to it.
@@APolygons2 no steinsgate is definitely set in the real world lol that's literally the entire point of basically everything in the story
also the town changing names within the last 20 years because some dude got super rich would be actually insane
@@WeebJail No sg is set in the real world. I just meant it's not necessarily completely 1 to 1.
I still excepted it as an issue though, you win!
although if I am being honest, the only plot holes in steins;gate that really matter are 2 and 6+.
these other ones are just cool nit bits.
actually, there is another plot hole that you missed. in S;G's VN, suzuha never comes back in mayuri's ending. even though it makes 0 sense for that to be the case.
there's probably more plotholes that i missed too!
Take a shot everytime he says literally
that bit about suzuha/titor is so beautiful
steins;gate is very adept at utilizing emotional beats
I'm happy to see the work of legendary mangaka Bill Watterson mentioned in a video about Steins;Gate.
not the crossover we need, but the one we deserve!!
The Faris family not having enough money ALSO isn't a plot hole. It's actually shown in the anime that 15 years in the past the fmaily wasn't the owner of basically all of Akiba and wasn't as rich.
Can anyone explain why it wouldn’t be a plot hole that Daru and Okabe deleting Okabe’s original email about the murder from SERN’s Echelon server changes the past? Because at that point, even though they delete the mail in the present, SERN has already presumably installed a T1 line and has the Rounders watching them so I don’t understand how that changed the world line. Deleting the mail in the present would not change the fact that SERN has seen it and is aware of Okabe.
I didn’t notice any of the plotholes in mention of this video, but this one was driving me nuts. Maybe I missed a crucial piece of info. I haven’t seen the anime, so this is referring to the VN.
the t1 line was the other worldlines
Suzuha disappearing isn't a plothole. It makes perfect sense. First you need to know that only one world line can be active at a time. Now, Suzuha time travelled from 2036 to 2010 because of the SERN Dystopia (or in other world lines, WW3). But whenever Okabe changed the world lines Suzuha would still be there indicating that she also time travels back in _that_ world line. So in the last episode when Okabe tricks his past self into believing that Kurisu died, he changes the world line. In this new world line, Suzuha from 2036 never comes back to 2010 for some reason (probably because WW3 never happened). Therefore the others have never met Suzuha in this new timeline. Although Okabe would have memories of her because of his reading Steiner. This is why she "disappears" at the end of Ep 24.
Hope that made sense...
the problem here is the they're in the time machine he's not just shifting worldlines
In Stein's Gate, we know the past can be changed, that means there is no grandfather paradox. If you go back to the past and kill your grandfather or yourself, that would not cause you to disappear, negating what you just did, it would result in a dead body and you would just continue to exist in the past, a different past that will lead to a completely new future. I think he's right in this point, Suzuha shouldn't disappear, if the story was trying to be consistent.
The problem with Stein's Gate as a time travel story is that it doesn't stick with it's own rules. At some times it behaves as if the past won't be changed and others it changes all the time. It "tries" to use physics to justify and explain how the time travel works, but at other times it just forgets the laws of physics and and comes up with any BS excuse to justify what it needs out of convenience, like the attractor field.
For example, every time they use a "time machine", be it a D-mail, Time Leap Consciousness or physical time travel, it should result in "both" that information/person going back to the past of that same timeline and also infinite other timelines where that information/person will change their future from that point on. Now, when a D-mail is sent to the past, it "disappears" from the present and "appears" in the present (in truth, it shouldn't appear, it should have always been there, technically). Same thing with the bananas, if in that timeline they are going to try to change the past and send the bananas in the future, then it "already happened", and the bananas shouldn't change only after they do it, but first the should see the bananas show up from the future, and then they would realize what they are going to do and do it "again". When bananas and people are sent to the past, they cease to exist in that present and "appear" in the past, in that timeline and all the other infinite ones.
The real catch here is the Time Leap, as it should "clone" the information from Okabe's memories and send them to his past. The thing is, in that same timeline, Okabe should have already received his memories. This should create an infinite loop where Okabe's memories keep piling up on top of each other. Let's say, if tomorrow night he will send his memories back to this morning, then in the morning he should have received an infinite amount of memories, an eternity of himself reliving that time between morning and night of the other day.
So, if we really try to make sense of it, there's a lot of stuff that just doesn't add up, because it can't, and that's fine, most people don't even like these "details" anyway. As long as people are honest about and understand that Stein's Gate is not a true time travel story, but a fantasy story with "time travel flavor", then they can just relax and enjoy the story for what it is.
@@Jumbernautwhy is it problematic if people call this a time travel story? it still is one plotholes or not. it just seems like youre being pretentious
@@jahterminatedlmao5473. It's not a problem to call Steins'Gate a time travel story per se, the problem is when people don't understand the difference between those that care about these rules and writing tight, consistent stories and those that just want to write something fun for those who just want to watch something fun. So, if you look at the story seriously, from the POV of a true time travel story, S'G is a mess, but from the POV of an entertaining story, it's a success.
For me the only plot hole that stuck out to me was when they messaged Moeka from FB phone to say do not look for the IBM anymore.
Surely, FB would message her again saying 'hey how are you doing looking for the IBM'
Also if Mr Brown was working for SERN, could he not just open the lab (he likely has a spare key as a landlord) and steal the IBM?
haha maybe. she's become someone who responds to his direct orders so he wouldn't need to ask her twice though. i imagine usually what would happen is she would confirm her orders not the other way around
and i don't think mr braun realized the ibn was in the lab
Good video! 🙏 I have a few counterpoints, but ultimately it doesn't really matter. I will say, though, that the Nae part isn't just dark and edgy for the sake of it. Sure, maybe on the surface it seems that way due to a throwaway scene you're likely to miss in the VN, but when you look at it in context, especially when you consider Mr Braun's own childhood... yeah, it really makes you realize the kind of life Nae would have to live. Is it any wonder she'd grow to become resentful? (In fact, the current storyboard fan-fic I'm working on is kinda about that.)
Also the scene of where Kurisu gets shot by a Rounder. Why would they try to shoot the creator of the time-leap device and nearly kill her? That defeats the entire purpose of the Rounders entering the lab.
That one was them shooting recklessly to prevent Okabe from Time Leaping. Not aiming for Makise
@@TechnoArpan But still, they could have killed Makise in the process of trying to prevent Okabe from Time Leaping.
They probably know those 3 are invincible because they are fated to be captured and create time machine in that worldline.
if I remember correctly, Daru activated that humidifier thingy in the anime at that point to throw off the Rounders' aim and let Okabe get to the time leap machine. So it was most likely a misdirected shot.
@@swik3682 it was Okabe, at least in the anime
I liked that Nae arc because it added to Robotics;Notes by creating a real sense of paranoia around her that wouldn’t otherwise exist.
It has been about a year since I played the VN so my memory is a bit hazy, but I do recall it being mentioned that Faris' dad's businesses were much smaller at the time and he didn't have the sort of money on hand that the ransom was asking for.
Plothole 1: They don't need to have conceived of the idea of that message BEING the time machine. The only thing it proves is that someone sent a message about Kurisu's death when she was still alive. They could have theorized that a person actually time traveled with it using Kerr Black Holes, like they tried to do with the human experiments. It's conceivable that they think that SERN from the future could be behind the message, and start to investigate.
As to how they noticed it, someone connected to SERN probably was just looking at random stuff and came across it, found it weird and the information was passed on to them.
Plot hole 4 being that maybe faris dad did have money but like what happened when he sent the d-mail the whole town changed. It wasnt just a couple days since faris dad died. She could have bought the property after the maid cafe did well
"One of my favorite manga, Bill Waterson's " I fucken DIED, Calvin and Hobbs fucks.
fuck yeah bro
Plot hole number 3 I would say that even if they did have the time machine they still needed to go back in order to ensure they would have a time machine in the future and continue on the world line they were on. Saying that the t1 line wasn't necessary if the whole building was probably connected two brauns and okabes. Needed to ensure he was also doing what he needed to do to get the ibm100
Number 3 isnt really a plothole as you could think of it as convergence because that line must always be there for the lab to make the first working time machine so the universe will always correct itself so the line will be there for that purpose
Plot hole 1 i tied to sern being able to read the dmails as sent from the future like with timestamps they saw a message arrive from someone in the future thats how they got alerted
I'm surprised that no one has used the context of Anonymous;Code to explain the "Suzuha disappearing plot hole" yet. It has been 2 months since its English release, and many people in the Science Adventure subreddit seem to be quite passionate about using A;C's concepts to recontextualize the mechanics of Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate (as well as of other games in the series) from new angles.
for the first plothole. What if Sern was able to intercept the messages between Rintaro and John titor? Rintaro explained how he changed the future in their conversation maybe thats how they know.
The disappearance of Suzu is actually makes sense but the problem is that both Suzu and Okabe should vanish with the time machine cuz due to their actions the time machine doesn’t exist anymore and Kurisu is not dead so the Okabe who saw a fake dead Kurisu never needed to create a time machine or saving Kurisu when he arrived at episode 23. She just was alive at that moment due to the Okabe and Suzu actions from another world line. And this is called a time paradox. (but the one which made a happy ending possible)
A time paradox is a theoretical situation with time travel, when a guest from the future (Okabe & Suzu) does something in the past he is visiting (Saving Kurisu + changing the upa for the plastic one) that changes the circumstances of the future: for example, making this trip itself impossible.
To clarify some stuff. I watched some pseudo-scientific videos (doesn’t made by scientist but still appeals to real scientific stuff) breaking down SG. And from theory + assumptions made by SG -> How it should have worked for scientific point of view -> We have three iterations of Okabe: Okabe 0 who is in the SG 0, 1 From the original anime and 2 who made his way only through 22 episodes of the original and reached steins gate without knowing it.
So Okabe 0 ceased to exist after sending a video message to Okabe 1 and Okabe 1 ceased to exist after saving Kurisu and changing the upa. All this are time paradoxes but the sacrifices made by previous Okabes made the Steins Gate world line possible for Okabe 2 and Okabe 2 in the SG world line exists because Okabe 0 and 1 prevented the time paradox of altering the original 22 episodes of the show by faking Kurisus death.
I think that if we had the ending when we have Okabe 1 disappear and Okabe 2 realizing that he somehow made it to the SG but didn’t know how (He could learn it from Kurisu tho when they met and she told him that he was the one to save her) But then we would have lost the whole lab mem 8 stuff. But it would be the Steins Gate material we deserved both so dark and bright at the same time.
I still find the original ending very satisfying it's just an author's choice that made the sweetness of the original end possible. 😢
The whole thing I wrote could be easily broken by nuances and possibilities, but the thing is that we don’t know how the time travel would affect the world, we probably never will, because we don’t have reading Steiner. Non the less the world is beautiful because of its endless possibilities and it’s truly the Choice of Steins Gate
I can give you an explanation for a version of time travel where Okabe 1 doesn’t disappear if you want to hear it.
@@Iwbtvb431 Sure, if you want i'd like to, but I feel it's still gona be off for me. Okabe 1 should have disappeared because it's a time paradox, what i mean is that he already fixed the Kyrisy's issue of being dead, therefore, when Okabe deleted the very first D-mail pinpointed by SERN, Kurisy was already alive in the Alpha world line, and the Time travel issue was already fixed, so Sudzuha wouldn't call him and TimeTravel Machine wouldn't exist as well.
So technically there are infinite amount of Okabe alteregos but what is crusial about Okabe 0, 1 and 2 is their memories. Therefore, Okabe 2, who solved the B line problem and went to the A line just simply couldn't get to the point when he would live through Okabe 1 experience because the world line is already fixed. And i don't believe in Okabe 1 "airdrop" on the RadioBuilding after Sudzuha disappeared with the time machine.
But, technically all this fuss, i wrote isn't the part of the SG but a mere theory based of scientific stuff which is also nor confirmed neither denied.
P.S. I just cant put it in my head, maybe due to all this YT-science stuff i watched. So if there is a logical or lore explanation i'd love to hear it. (o･ω･o)
@@ROL858 okay, so the way I see it there are infinite world lines but only one active world-line. The reason I believe this is the case is because what would be the point for Suzuha trying to help Okabe get to steins gate if their future is doomed anyway. So how I believe it works is when they go back to where they time traveled from there still in the same world line before they time travelled which means Okabe would have no reason to disappear because he would still exist in that world line. It’s only right after they got back from where they jumped from that okabes reading Steiner would send him to steins gate.
@@ROL858 this could also be applied to steins gate 0 where we know that Okabe 0 must’ve made it back to the present because the person who looks like Kurisu still had an attachment to Mayuri even though she would have been dead or stuck in the past. So we can make an assumption that when Okabe 0 made it to the present his reading Steiner also sent him to steins gate at around 2025.
@Iwbtvb I mean, yeah that's the point, because there is only one world line active at a given moment, by changing the circumstances of the past by physical means and then trying to go back, would cause Sudzuha and Okabe to disappear because they can't exist at their current state for newly changed world line.
But I see what you mean, so due to Okabes Readin Steiner ability, even though, physically Okabes body disappeared with a time machine his consciousness moved to the changed SG world line. But there is still a knife wound stuff, which is a bit off even for this explanation.
But i agree, despite, It's more of a lore thing, but without this assumption (Reading Steiner) the whole story with D-mails wouldn't work and that was the reason why SERN couldn't success in their time travel work, so it does make sense as a part of the plot and as an explanation to the ending in it's original state.
And speaking about SG0 it's time travel part is rather poorly written, but I like it anyway, more in a characters way then theoretical though.
The point with the T1 line SERN has ALSO isn't a plot hole.
This time it's just you not understanding Steins;Gate.
It's entirely possible (and extremely likely, although we never get any direct confirmation for this) that in one of the alpha worldlines SERN caught Makise Kurisu (which Suzuha states is the case) and they got their time machine from her and proceeded to use it to get it sooner by having the lab use the LHC, thereby creating another alpha world line in which SERN developed it faster. So the cause of SERN connection to the lab is to be found in another world line and is completely detached from the outcome (SERN having the time machine sooner, even without Kurisu's enforced cooperation).
So you can't make an argument there would be a plothole by trying to insist SERN would already have achieved the wanted outcome. It's just plain false.
The reason they have a t1 line is really just like they explained in the manga, because of braun and rounders and definitely not for spying the lab. Because basically in steins gate 0 they still have t1 line under the lab in beta world line where they have no clue about the lab and they dont have a working time machine.
In alpha world line sern probably have a different version of the time leap machine, and with that machine there is no way they can send past any time travelers or information. They used there time leap machine for there dystopia in there future, they never needed to go far back and this is the reason we don't see any time travelers from sern going around. If they had one, story becomes way more complicated.
ty for making sg content man
thank YOU for watching : D
Plothole 1: Suzuha might simply not have known about it. In sg0 we see that Daru didn't even tell her that Okabe was alive, so it's very possible that she was underinformed about SERN's activities
Suzu put the line in, in the past. Biggest plot hole is the open access they have to the tm building.
She changed the past, changed her position in the world. You dont know how accurate reading Steiner is. How many decimal places? It’s a measurement so must fluctuate
Suzuha probably was just "erased" from existance like okbae in the movie, after all the events of anonymus code make both events have sense
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the movie isn't something id describe as really making sense lol
In the anime, Makise makes reference to the SERN test subjects getting turned into mush while talking to Okabe but she says this to Okabe in the world line where the IBN 5100 is missing. Would she not therefore have no idea about any of the SERN files and the information about the test subjects contained in them?
could be a plothole but what episode is this? the immediate explanation that comes to mind is that okabe would have told her. also i think they hacked in and got some information but other stuff was locked behind the ibn code but i forget
I glanced at the comment section, saw a bunch of other people discussing this, and decided to throw in my lot. I want to preface this by proposing that most of these aren't really plotholes, just things that the anime does a worse job of making clear compared to the VN.
1. It actually does make sense that SERN would notice the discrepancy. The VN goes into more detail about this, but ECHELON could have easily found an issue with the send date on the d-mail. That, and the message being disconnected between two separate emails (which cut off due to the size limit) would appear odd in the case that it was manually reviewed. This also doesn't take into account that it could have caused some kind of system error or memory fault (again, due to the inconsistency between the dates) which they would have looked into. As a second point, this version of Titor had incomplete information and even stated that some of it was deliberately falsified, so going off of that alone doesn't really hold as much weight.
2. Even though I haven't finished it yet, I have a feeling that Anonymous;Code might elaborate on this. Regardless, it makes sense if you consider that in the Steins;Gate worldline, time travel was never successfully invented, thus Suzuha never time traveled, and thus, she still would exist in the future as opposed to the present (that one OVA/movie technically doesn't fit this, but I'm counting that as non-canon unless proven otherwise). The whole reason she could exist in the past is because the time machine was built in the first place. Take that away, and she is "displaced" back to the future.
3. The line was likely specifically for Tennouji given that at minimum he is the "leader" of the local group of Rounders and thus would need secure comms back to HQ. The lab also having having immediate access was a fortunate coincidence for them. Another possibility is that SERN also would have been aware that the FGL needed to "invent" time travel first before they can act against them, otherwise they risk a paradox where they no longer perfect time travel because they needed Kurisu to do so. So in that regard, it would make perfect sense for them to plant the line in advance in the past (which Okabe actually speculated on in the VN) in anticipation of them hacking the LHC to ultimately further their own ends.
4. Inheriting the land doesn't automatically make them loaded with hard cash, just a hereditary owner that could potentially act as an investor/shareholder assuming they hadn't already sold the rights in the past whether by choice or by the government appropriating it. This is also assuming that a good portion of the money hadn't already been spent/blown by other family members or used as the startup for her dad's current company. He originally died in a plane crash, so Faris sent a D-mail with a fake kidnapping message to stop him from boarding the plane. As stated in the VN, the ransom was 100 million Yen (roughly $680,000 USD as of today), which when talking to Okabe after he "rescued" Faris, he stated that he didn't posses. He considered in hindsight that he could have mortgaged the company, but at the time, SERN was snapping up IBNs like candy for ridiculous sums of money, and he would have known how much they were selling for being a PC enthusiast. So he took the offer at face value and prepared the ransom, which was likely either dead dropped somewhere, or he just straight up kept it once he learned that Faris was fine.
5. The VN and S;G0 both explain this better than the anime. Memories can "bleed over" for lack of a better term, which lore wise is mentioned as a form of deja vu that anyone can experience, but that Okabe is extremely well attuned to. Luka and Faris both experienced this, and S;G0 touches on this as well. Or, even without the amnesia from the failed trip, she still would have needed a different name on the off chance she ran into anyone who would meet her in the future to avoid minor confusion at best or a potential paradox at worst. By pure coincidence she could have chosen to take Hashida as a surname as opposed to Amane Suzuha, but personally I think the memory thing is more likely.
6. This one I can somewhat agree with, though I don't like how the anime handled that particular scene either. Ultimately, you could blame it on convergence since Nae time leaping was the reason for Okabe's destined death in 2035 for this particular worldline (and only this one as far as we know). If nothing else, it does come off a somewhat out of character...but so does Tennouji offing Moeka in the anime. Again, convergence is the best explanation I have for this one, and in my opinion, is the biggest plothole on this list.
7. Same potentially as #2 which comes back to spatial displacement after time leaping, regardless of RS activating. If I remember right, time leaping results in an imperceptibly small change in the worldline, but that on it's own is enough to displace the location of where someone was to somewhere else entirely. Otherwise, she could have been hiding in Future Gadget #7 as proven by Mayuri in Linear Bounded Phenogram.
8. As for her having a phone, this version of her that time leaped is already contained in a self-propagating loop for this worldline. She could have stolen someone else's phone...Or she might actually have one so that her dad could call her in an emergency or vice versa, though there is no proof of this as far as I can remember.
This is just my take on everything. There could be something else that I missed or forgot, or another explanation for these. Personally, I would also disagree about the anime being better than the visual novel because it cuts internal monologue which gives better insight to Okabe's character, as well as some other information that got cut due to time constraints/condensed worldbuilding. I don't really understand your argument at the end of the video considering that Kurisu said something pretty similar in the visual novel (unless that wasn't the exact point you were getting at), but to each their own.
1: foretelling Makise's stabbing would seem a bit weird to me, even if it didn't happen because people intervened.
2: reconstructed around the new events. This is the justification, without WWIII in the future, Suzuha never goes back to 2010. Thus, she disappears.
3: a suspicious foretelling (likely prevented by authorities because of it) followed by a group of random people suddenly trying to get information on time travel, i would watch them too.
4: possibly desperation from the father being worried about Faris. Also possibly from before they owned Akiba
John Titor wasn't saying that nobody considered using _information_ to send to the past, but that they hadn't considered specifically using e-mails to do so. As in the method, using the D-mails and microwave phone, was a foreign concept - not necessarily what is being conveyed through the e-mail itself.
how else would they be sending information to the past
Likely through SERN's fully operational and functional time machine that Daru failed to fully reverse engineer in the Alpha attractor field. Only SERN would know about D-mails in the future since John Titor never learned anything about them from Daru.@@WeebJail
I have a question about Faris's kidnapping
that part always confused me
the ransom message was Faris's own D-mail, meaning that the kidnapping was fake
so faris's dad didn't really need to sell his IBN 5100?
sorry if this is a dumb question
i believe you are correct. this begs the question of how sern knew about this and went and got the ibn computer though
There is just one timeline. The other world lines vanish, and all plot holes with them. The last scene in Steins;Gate 0 actually shows how he rescues these versions which never actually travel through time because there were never any dead bodies. So the last scene actually just vanishes and the memories merge together. That's often teased in the anime too. My theory even is that time travel in this anime is only possible because the timelines never completely vanish; the memories stay but are just buried deep down. And Okabe is the only one who makes science in time travel actually possible because he actually remembers it.
And I think the last scene of Steins;Gate actually has just the reason to show that Okabe always used the time travel machines first. (At least in the chronological order of the time machines.)
So the only thing you need to understand is if the past gets changed the other worldlines disappear but the memories stay and that's the reason why time travel actually works in Steins;Gate. Even if the traveled persons vanish because of the grandfather paradox, the time still changes because the memories stay. Even if memories they should never have had get buried deep in their dreams (despite Okabe. Okabes memories working exactly the other side around).
To the t1 line, it is just a small pothole. And the explanation that it is for Mr. Braun and/or to spy on them is enough for me. And I don't really think they need a time traveler from the future to think as far as that if they give them permission, they probably make a time machine that they can snitch if they invent it. Shinning finger allways shots the TV too. And she doesn't seem to know that its needet for timetravel. Okabe often teased that "they" spy trough these too.
Regarding the Faris thing, it is easy to say they had no money at that time, and as you said, they could have wanted the IBM regardless of money anyway.
The CERN plot hole with the D-mail actually is there, but I think it should show how big of an organization it is. They spy on everything, and that's the reason why they give them the T1 line later. They know that Okabe nearly has a time machine and give him everything to complete it because they tried for years and couldn't even send a D-mail. And maybe while they searched for something like a D-mail they tried to send themselves, they found Okabe's.
i have question for king of weaboos
who is the author of story in steins gate?
( i've googled it but it allways show the studio who made the vn an five people)
i think the main one is chiyomaru but i mean it's a team of people. especially i think the anime adaptation is way better than the original so i don't think of steins;gate as really the product of one person, rather those 5 plus the writers and director of the anime
👉👈 awesome vid senpai!
omg ty kurisu-kun!!!!!! (◕ᴗ◕✿)
@@WeebJail haha
Back in my day, This " ua-cam.com/video/lYXvo3w4_YE/v-deo.html " was the best Stains;Gate content available on youtube. Past me would be so hype to look forward to Weeb Jail in 2022.
And this the best cover of the intro. ua-cam.com/video/-si7QfOpMIc/v-deo.html
lmao this is ahead of its time
WE DON't know how time travel really should work. Even if we apply rules from the show.
The VN answers some of these:
1. idk why it's a plot-hole. The worldline can change by doing things in the present. SG 0 VN states this.
2. Suzuha disappearing makes sense. The time machine brings Okabe to the future and the worldline shifts. Once it shifts, suzuha goes away because time machines don't exist in the SG worldline, so Suzuha doesn't exist.
3. In the VN, it says that Mr. Braun has the server connection to his building. Daru just takes advantage of it without knowing it was setup by CERN
4. I'm pretty sure they were just extorting the Dad to get the IBN 5100
5. Since anyone can have reading steiner, and the second Suzuha trip happens after the she learns who her Dad is, she probably just remembered
6. 7. 8. True xD
sorry if the video wasn't totally clear what i was saying about all of these lol
1. that part wasn't the plothole haha, that was the part people THINK is a plothole but isn't.
2. no no things can exist on other worldlines than the one they originally started on. it doesn't matter where she actually came from because she isn't part of that worldline anymore. now this does violate some laws of thermodynamics but you do gotta break a few rules to write an interesting science fiction story.
3. right but that explanation doesn't make sense either, i explained this bit in the part where i was talking about the manga.
4. they were extorting him, but the extortion doesn't make sense because he should have basically infinite money if they really did own all of akihabara.
5. you're right, this one actually is possible but still kinda weird without any explanation or anything lol
@@WeebJail Faris explains in the visual novel that when she was kidnapped, her father was not yet rich and only became rich with the growth of his companies.
@@Zero-zv3iv right again so the problem here is that faris's family owns akihabara. they have infinite money. her father being "not yet rich" doesn't make sense here
@@WeebJail I'm pretty sure during the faris route it is said that her father came to acquire part of akihabara only after expanding his electronics company rather than having inherited it. I believe the "my family owned akihabara" part is simply a half truth half lie of faris chuunibyou personality.
@@Zero-zv3iv yeah im pretty positive that doesn't happen. and this is why faris's name is akiha, akihabara is supposed to be name after them
also buying up a district of tokyo instead of inheriting it would basically take an impossible amount of money lol
here's literally everything the vn says about this
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“This is an old story... a story from before my company got as big as it is.”[%p]
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Rumiho was kidnapped. The kidnapper demanded an unthinkable ransom.”[%p]
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Maybe I should have mortgaged the company instead.”[%p]
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“But at that moment, someone appeared, like a godsend, offering a large sum of money to buy my IBN 5100.”[%p]
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“I sold it, which gave me enough to prepare Rumiho’s ransom.”[%p]
[name]Faris[line]“Let’s not talk about that, nya...”[%p]
For some reason, Faris’s face turns red with embarrassment.[%p]
If I had to say, her dad seems really happy to tell this story.[%p]
Not something you’d expect from a kidnapping story.[%p]
[name]Rintaro[line]“So who was the buyer?”[%p]
[name]Faris’s Dad[line]“Hmm, a French businessman, I believe. I think I still have his contact information. Would you like it?”[%p]
very confusin!1!1!1! Yet exciting
much excite!!!!!
I feel like there’s a difference between being the only person to find the plot hole or if you’re just making some shit up. The only plot hole that makes sense is the nye disappearing after using the time leap machine. Other than that to me it seems the rest or atleast most of them are just because you don’t see the deep enough.
can you give an example how the others don't make sense
@@WeebJail well with Suzuha Okabe and the Time Machine when okabe reaches Stiens gate. Okabe is the worlds observer what world line he’s on is the world that is being currently seen and viewed suzu and the Time Machine just disappeared in time because I don’t think they had the fuel to make the trip back because if they succeeded they wouldn’t have needed to go back so they get sent randomly though time but because Okabe wakes up in the Stiens gate world line it’s no longer being perceived so it doesn’t really exist. Now I want to say I believe the VN is better while you believe the anime is better. I believe the anime is a perfect straight version of the true Okabe without any unnecessary things like the splits off to different world lines or nyes weird disappearance but even I still feel like that has some kind of meaning. Though has a huge fan myself I could be coping and have bias that I just don’t see yet.
@@whitestarphoenix7404 the suzuha plothole is the same in both the anime and vn. getting randomly sent through time isn't a thing in sg
@@WeebJail at the end of steins gate 0 Suzu and mayuri are sent randomly through time and Okabe and the rest have to find where they are using a device daru made and that’s were okabe switches out his Time Machine give its to suzu and mayuri and deceives the world by making it seem like he dies in 2025
@whitestarphoenix7404 Nae disappearing is not a plot hole, do you remember what happens when they send bananas to the past? When the world line shifts, if shift is very small or predetermineted, reading steiner won't kick in. Thats literally happened multiple times in the show. Even if you don't have reading steiner, when you watch the banana during time travel experiment you will see a blink teleportation but its not teleportation its just banana going to past and you should normally remember the banana appearing in the past if you don't have reading steiner and not remembering when its disappear from microwave but what happens is totally reverse. Because the world line shift is too small, its just changing the physical world but memories stays same. Its literally a quantum physic experiment reference, check the Double slit experiment if you don't know already.
For the first plothole. John Titor lies a lot so that SERN doesn't get on his ass. Plenty of the stuff he says is wrong
For the first plothole, I think it is all about future events, as you know sern will take adventage of okabe time machine. All they where looking for was anything about time travel. Time travelling email was something they were looking for and it triggers sern attack on okabe's lab etc.
For suzuha dissappearance. It makes perfect sense. Remember as okabe changed one time past and no one remembered about moeka? It works same way. Okabe changes timeline where time machine is never invented and so, suzuha can never time travel back so she need to dissappear. Maybe the whole scene of dissappearance was unnecessary but she can't exist in timeline where time machine was never invented
For sern letting daru take over their servers it was all about what I talked earlier. They wanted to find out how message could time travel. Sern even after years of experiments wasn't able to change anything in past or future. Getting access to lab they could with easy spy on them and make an ambush when most of critical persons like okabe, kurisu and daru where present. Also we know that makise was able to build working time machine in future for sern so it doesn't really matter. It works the same way as Dr leskinen in steins gate 0. They don't really need to do much. Timeline will prevent any changes to happen.
Second time travel of suzuha happens after mayurii discovers that the real father of suzuha is daru. So no plot hole here
for the first one, i said in the video that's what they should have been doing lol. that's not what happened though.
for suzuha disappearing, she's in a time machine this is completely different from people not knowing moeka. moeka doesn't disappear they haven't met her, that's completely different
i believe i answered your comment about the computer thing in the video no? what you're talking about is only possible if sern already has a time machine, meaning there's no point in spying on the lab
and then the last thing, no in this timeline the lab party never occurs and she never learns who her father is
@@WeebJail maybe they have to? Have to capture makise kurisu to make for them time machine? We know that sern is able of creating time machine in future. Suzuha states it as soon as she reveals she is from future. So all they want to do to is to close loop the same way as okabe faked kurisu death. Wouldnt sern time traveling to make sure everything happens more reasonable as option. The only thing that really is strange is John titor words about not having dmail in 2036. Well it kinda makes sense? Since okabe later in steins gate doesn't allow to use dmail to save mayurii for example (later he does that to go back to original time line and he won't be able to do it using only dmails since dmails itself, their existance is a cause for mayuris death)
there doesn't need to be a closed loop in the story, things can exist from other worldlines
but even if there was this would physically require knowledge of the future, which would mean they have a time machine
@@WeebJail but as I said. Sern in theory can have time machine. Suzuha says that sern creates time machine and the mother of it is makise kurisu. That is why she hates her at very beginning but she don't know that makise was forced to do it - why? Because time line goes with it, in same timeline as suzuha comes from future, sern attacks and they are there to capture okabe, makise and daru. Okabe and daru in future will make live harder for sern and makise can make one for them. My assumption is that sern don't have the same one time machine as suzuha does. They use time leap to do so. Makise is more skilled in brain and neurophysiology of body, not quantum mechanics etc. so for her it would be easy to build time leap machine
imagine if this guy watch tokyo revenge
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From all of this, only the 5th is a plothole.
actually i think only the 5th one might be NOT a plothole, if it were explained lol
@@WeebJail 1. The whole reason that the Alpha Attractor Field exists and SERN completes his time machine in the future is that they notice this email thus the activity of the Future Gadget Lab. If you delete this, this whole chain of causality collapses. It was never said that the only way to change worldlines is changing the past. In fact, from other Science Adventure media (and even in S;G 0) there are examples of worldline changes without changing the past.
2. Suzuha and the time machine are erros. Errors are either disappearing if the system works correctly, ot they must be eliminated by the debuggers. This is context from other Science Adventure media. Okabe is also kind of an error in the movie
3. The line is there for Tennouji. I don't why are you not satisfied with this explanation... He is the leader of the Akiba Rounders. And they didn't necessarily build that line. It could have been realbooted by a gigalomaniac
4. Back then, he wasn't that rich, as he points out.
6, 7, 8: Nae's disappearing can be explained in several ways: for example, she turned the time leap machine on to time leap, but she felt that Okabe is coming, so she shut it down and hide in the lab. And after Okabe left, she actually time leaped.
BRUH, this is literally my all time fav anime, I don't even know how many times I rewatched it and yet i never thought about these plot holes, guess this shows just how much I love this series and how much it resonated with my soul and how much it gave me, cause i'm sure about nothing in my life, but about one thing, that Steins;Gate will always be my fav anime.💜
me too : D
Okabe not running into his past self when he goes back in the time machine a second time is potentially a plot hole, because changing worldlines preserves previous time travel arrivals. Otherwise it wouldn't be possible to send a dmail, then send a 2nd dmail to cancel the first one. Both dmails need to arrive for the cancelling to work, or even make sense. Just like 2 dmails (from different past worldlines) can arrive on a new worldline, so should 2 time travellers be able to arrive.
In fact if changing worldlines erased previous time travel arrivals (dmail or physical), then it's trivial to reverse any number of changes by just creating a new worldline.
what youre talking about is the convergence point. they have the same convergence point where a different event occurred and split into two worldlines. in one worldline a d-mail was received and one course of events happened, and sending a dmail again cancels out the changes and the worldline converges back to the original
Not sure what you're talking about. If you send a dmail to someone in the past to tell them to eat a slice of cake, the cancel dmail will be a second dmail telling them not to eat the cake despite the first dmail. The receiver gets both emails and it's up to them what to do.
Which is why they couldn't cancel Moeka's dmail where she told herself where the IBN 5100 is, despite receiving multiple dmails with warnings not to go to Yanabayashi shrine, she still goes (due to the first dmail she sent herself). She receives all of them, her initial one and all the ones Okabe sends to try to convince her not to go.
When there is a worldline change, all the previous changes are retained, including arriving dmails. That same rule should apply to physical time travellers.
right the receiver gets both emails but the end result ends up being exactly the same, they don't eat the cake, so the worldline converges. or, they still eat it even though the d-mail says not to, and the worldline doesn't change back.
moeka not following okabe's d-mails is a completely different problem. her problem is that she won't listen to the other d-mails because she'll only listen to fb. once she gets the d-mail from fb she follows it and the worldline converges back, even though she's received several d-mails from okabe.
the previous changes are retained but the worldline becomes the same because of worldline convergence.
Imagine instead of sending a dmail to tell the person to eat the cake, you physically time travel and tell the person to eat it. They eat it and later again you travel to tell them NOT to eat it (just like the 2nd dmail). There should be 2 time travellers arriving, one to tell them to eat the cake, one to tell them not to eat the cake, just like you had 2 dmails arriving with those messages.
what about how when suzuha disappeared why did okabe remain if he wasnt from tht worldline, reading steiner made more sense but instead his other self disappeared, the one who thought kurisu was dead when she was only ko
i think because they're not shifting worldlines, rather changing the worldline, they end up being the same okabe? you might be right though i'd have to think about this more lol
Can anyone explain more about the three okabe (not a plothole)?
if this is all the same timeline then all events would be happening together and there would be 2 time machines but because it's separate it plays out how it does
@@WeebJail it took me a minute but I get it now
Time Machine make different divergence = different "sub-worldline" from main-worldline like time-leaping repeat again and again but there are no multiple Okabe try to help Mayuri at the same time.
I also find it kinda weird that okabe didn’t have to erase the lottery d mail to go back to the beta world line, or is it just because it didn’t change the divergence number too much?
did they not show this? i forget but this one he sent to himself so it would be extremely trivial to undo. same as the one stopping suzuha from leaving
The lottery dmail didn't cause IBN to be gone so there's no need to undo it
He didn't send it to himself. He sent it to Ruka. In the end, it didn't matter since she got the numbers wrong. But I would think that they would still need to undo it because aren't all of these D-Mails something that might draw the attention of SERN?
@@TBCOGR late comment, but he did send it to himself. Ruka explains that he bought the lotto ticket because Okabe asked him to, presumably after he had received the D-mail from his future self.
Weeb Jail not saying 'AND THAT'S FUCKING BEAUTYFULL' for one video challange: Impossible
S;G really is fucking beautyfull though
impossible
I used to love time travel concept but nah I quit. What a pain. What's the point. Literally only the "present" is more important, while the "past" its already there andd cannot be change, and the "future" naturally depends on your present actions and decisions. I'm more enjoying Mashle because there's nothing to even think about, it was just fun, but this is just an example.On the other hand I enjoyed Steins;Gate when I watched it 10 years ago.
Here's the loose end that never made sense to me: In the Alpha worldline, it's established that Suzuha IS John Titor. So I would assume that, in the Beta worldline, all of those John Titor internet posts back in 2000 were also made by Suzuha. She even says that she stopped back in 2000 before coming to 2010 to take Okabe back to save Kurisu. But why would she do this? Her entire goal is to stop World War III, which happens because global superpowers are trying to acquire time travel technology. So what is the point of going back to 2000 and making a bunch of internet posts on the subject? Wouldn't she want to divulge as little information about time travel as possible? ("Steins;Gate 0" later seems to retcon this and instead says that she traveled back to 1998 to use an IBN5100 to stop Y2K from happening. But that still doesn't explain where or why the John Titor posts came from in the Beta worldline.)
I don't think you understand the speed difference between a T1 Line and dial up. T1 is Over 1 MBps and dial up is barely 0.056Mbps in the best case is would take over 14 mins to download a single floppy disk. With a T1 that's over a floppy disk per second!
they don't have dial up internet this takes place in 2010 not 1998
Faris isn't a plothole since they say that the company was much smaller in the beginning. Faris's dad only pays the ransom by selling the IBN 5100 to sern.
? right but her family owns akiba lol
Let's go!!
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Wouldn't Nae have to continually repeat those 25 years once she timeleaped back? That's what I don't get. She would basically have infinite memories of the same events
not necessarily. a time leap isnt capable of massive changes to the worldline so even if she just lives out her life normally without time leaping again nothing would change.
one thing im not sure makes sense though is she's a completely different person time leaping that far back so i feel like logically something would have to change, if a murderous 30 year old is living out a child's life that has to have consequences somewhere
@@WeebJail What I mean is if she's getting back to 2010 by timeleaping, then living out those years until 2025 before timeleping again, she's basically just experiencing a closed loop, right? Obviously the worldline isn't changing/has stabilized. She's still experiencing those years over and over again. Unless she's timeleaping forward, though I can't remember if that's possible
@@Incimer oh gotcha. no that's basically the same as okabes time leaping in that framing then, right? you can take slightly different actions without changing the worldline
all im saying is steins;gate anime and visual novel my goats
Thank you so much. Can we talk steins gate 0 for a bit. Please help me.
Isn't it unnecessary for mayuri to go back in time to slap okabe 2, since towards the end of the show, the okabe 0 in zero is already motivated to save kurisu? and when he got older thru hard work he (still okabe 0) eventually did find a way.
Did the slap motivate okabe 2 to do something significant to save kurisu, isn't it that okabe 0 was the one who sacrificed all his life to develop a plan to reach steins gate? i think slapping okabe 2, sending mayuri and suzuha in oblivion, was unneccessary. Do you understand me, Am I wrong?
bro possible plotholes are the least of the problems steins gate 0 has lol
@@WeebJail lol do you have a video about steins gate zero?
yes
@@WeebJail did steins gate zero follow the Visual Novel or it wasn't canon?
it's like kind of different but canon
Isnt this also a plot hole?. Since Okabe enters the steins gate worldline through a time machine wouldnt that mean there sould be 2 okabes in that worldline( the one we followed and the one who was already there) .
didnt i talk about this lol
Pardon, but how is the SERN noticing the D-Mail a plot hole?
Is you argument here that it's "somehow unrealistic"?
Something very much like Echelon exists in the real world. It's called XKeyscore and was brought into the public view by Edgar Snowden.
Simple explanation for the IBN5100 plothole: Feyris's family business took off after the kidnapping and _then_ they got mega rich, enough to buy Akiba? Am I missing something?
no no she says that the name akihabara comes from her family name. as in, they are olllllld money
There’s another plot hole that I’ve hear of, the vid is titled ‘the only plot hole in Steins;Gate’.
You’ve probably seen it, if so can you explain how it’s wrong then.
uh i seen that i have no idea what that dude was trying to go on about
So, an unmentioned plot hole I want to bring up, and it is by far the largest. When Okabe sends the first D-mail saying Kurisu died, this should not have prevented Kurisu's death in the alpha field. The only plot element that prevents Kurisu from dying is that Suzuha crashes the time machine, causing panic and canceling Dr. Nakabachi's conference. The cause of this is SERNs monopoly on time travel, causing her to use a scuffed time machine and messing up the coordinates. SERNs monopoly on time travel hinges on the kidnapping of...Kurisu. But Kurisu is dead. How is SERN, via Echelon intercepting the first D-mail, preventing Kurisu's death? SERN can't take over the world if she is dead.
you misunderstand, the time machine crashing was the effect, not the cause of worldline shifting
@WeebJail I think you misunderstood. The timeline shift could not have caused the effect of "time machine crash". The D-mail, which was the catalyst of the shift, put Okabe in a world line where this crash happened. But I am saying that such a world line CAN NOT exist because: Time machine crash causes-> Conference cancelled causes->Kurisu alive causes-> time machine crash. Its a causal loop. You seem to think that world line shifting "causes x", but what is actually happening is the following: First Dmail is sent to the past, current worldline becomes inactive, world line with dmail being received becomes active, Reading Steiner activates and keeps Okabes memories of previous world line intact. The difference with this shift is, Makise dying is a convergence point, escaping that fate by definition means that you are now on a different attractor field with the new convergence being Mayuri dying. My argument states that, it is the reality of the Dmail receipt that causes such a massive divergence, because SERN gets that in their database. If this wasn't the case, like in other instances, the divergence would have likely been small and unnoticeable, such as the lottery dmail. A world line where Makise Kurisu is alive should not exist because of the mentioned events and causal loop. There is no reason for Okabe's first Dmail to have caused as drastic a change as it did, because SERN needs Kurisu alive as an initial condition. The way it is set up in this series, Kurisu should be DEAD in both worldlines, no amount of world line divergence should have saved her.
wait, i get what you're saying but let's back up a sec, serns monopoly on time travel happens anyway, when she lives it's because she is kidnapped by sern.
when she died it's because nakabachi takes her paper on time travel, and her death leaves no one left to reproduce it, right?
@WeebJail As we know, in the SERN overlords scenario, Makise Kurisu, being referred to as the Mother of the Time Machine, is vital to SERN monopolizing and perfecting time travel.
The Nakabachi Papers as its called, Kurisu's thesis, is only important to SG0 and WW3 events. This is because only two things ever can happen with these papers, because Nakabachi is a little thief. The first we know well as is Steins Gate finally being achieved route. The main thing that happens is Nakabachi defecting to Russia with the papers. As far as I know, there is no scenario where SERN actually gets their hands on it, unless you can point to some source where this is the case.
When Nakabachi has it, it doesn't wind up with SERN. It winds up with Russian Intelligence, WW3.
Nice vid, I must be in steins gate hell since all of my recommendations are about that subject. What a strange world line. Anyways, SERN might just have access in the future to the huge data collection efforts world governments put into collecting as much information on private citizens as possible. Maybe after a metric shit ton of searching or perhaps targeted searching on all data sent around that time period, they eventually flagged that message. Still a bit of a stretch but unfortunately not as big as one as you might imagine.
it's not so much that it's a stretch for them to be monitoring everything and more that it directly contradicts what john titor (suzuha) says and by consequence a lot of the events in the story
@@WeebJail thing is, the first thing you think of when you try to time travel is probably sending data in the form of a text/message/series of 1s and 0s. Sending people is just sending a shit ton of data, so why start with something so large and complex when you can make use of sending a tiny amount of data with much higher chance of success? This was probably just one of the lies made by Titor to seem fake, especially since anyone with knowledge of the time travel technology would 100% believe that its a lie, since they themselves would probably be able to figure out that sending texts is the best way to make use of the tech while it's still iffy, me thinks 🤔
@@Entropy67 sern clearly hadnt done this themselves yet--thats why the lab was able to do what they did
also john titors lies were what he posted publicly--he told this to okabe directly
The one thing I dislike about the anime vs the visual novel is the fact that the anime only sparsly used the visual novels OST. the vns ost was a masterpiece, while the ost of the anime (besides the opening of course) was bland affff
what no wayyy there's even more great music they scored for the anime
Well when you look at the source material that inspired Steins;Gate… it starts to become incredible that they even managed a mediocre story. This is mainly due to the fact that the time travel theory on which Steins;Gate relies is incomprehensible at best, and a complete jumble of nonsense at worst
Wait no, 5 isn't a plothole, when Suzuha goes back in time she does know Daru is her dad, he's the one who repaired the time machine for her to go back
no when she goes back the second time it's when the time machine doesn't break lol
@@WeebJail Oh right, when Okabe sends himself a dmail so he doesn't follow her. Wait, she goes by Hashida the second time ? Ok nvm then lol
Are you familiar with E;R?
the hospital drama???
@@WeebJail the UA-camr. He analyzes and tears apart lots of media but he can’t help to gush over Steins;Gate every chance he has. That’s how u found this show. I suggest you watch his Death Note review. It’s a good watch.
gotcha
Steins;Gate is perfect, what are you talking about? Those "plotholes" are just product of your imagination.
did you... watch the video? specifically the first 10 seconds of it?
@@WeebJail Of course i did. You say that those plotholes do not harm the story at all, but i believe that they are not plotholes to begin with. Steins;gate is perfect man
care to explain how they aren't plotholes? lol
@@WeebJail I think they won't plot holes because thats just a different world line.
I've been just marinading my brain in everything Steins;Gate related for the past 2 weeks and have fallen into a slump of what i'm dubbing "PS;GDS" (Post Steins;Gate Depression Syndrome), there's literally nothing else in the world that makes me so happy and so sad at the same time and i'm angry at myself for not instantly watching Steins;Gate when it came out and i was a bit curious about it, i watched the anime 4 years after it came out first time and i fell in love with the series, it's just so goddamn beautiful, painful and hopeful series ;__;
There’s a visual novel that goes a lot more in depth yknow
but half of this video was about the vn...?
Tell me a plothole in Attack On Titan
erin and mikasa never even practiced kissing when they were kids like
Your Suzahu "vanishing" "plot hole" also isn't one, it's just a case of you don't like it. There is nothing _wrong_ with timelines free of time travelers.
Suzuha disappearing is not a plot hole lol...she has no fkin reason to be there after the world line shifts...In the new world line Kurisu's papers burned so there is no WW3 and instead of kurisu disappearing after deleting the information from sern's database it simply makes it she never became a lab member in the first place so no research on time machine so she doesn't become mother of time travel so no sern's tyranny in the future so no reason for suzuha to travel to the past in this world line too...
it doesn't matter what happens on the new timeline, suzuha is from a different timeline. people can exist on separate timelines, this is like the entire story
@WeebJail Nope, its definitely a plot hole in the visual novel but they fixed it in the anime by not showing suzuha and not mentioning about stabbed Okabe unlike in the visual novel. In Steins Gate world line Okabe never get stabbed, they hospitalized him because he passed out, the reason that Okabe's reading steiner activate at point he lost his consciousness, so thats why he didn't feel the shift but it happened. So no one in the Steins Gate world line remembers about suzuha or time machine because suzuha never land there. This is how Steins Gate mechanics work, in the visual novel they made alot of mistakes but anime directors so smart that they actually changed the most important part with just not showing that parts, and im the literally only one who noticed because all people think if its in the visual novel it will count canon in the anime as well, which is proved to be not true.