Battle of the Best Off Road - Bronco vs Wrangler - What no one is saying
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- #Bronco #Wrangler #Ford
Do you really need a 4-door Badlands or Rubicon edition? Or would you rather have the most affordable high performing off-road SUV? What is the top performing AND most affordable 4x4 on the planet? This is the real battle; waged where buyer-wages determine the biggest bang for the best off-road buck - Bronco Base or Wrangler Sport - how far will they take you?
This was always meant to be a Ford Bronco vs Jeep Wrangler showdown, see for yourself how these two stack up with information no one else is talking about!
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Will brand loyalty lead you to choose Wrangler over Bronco? Or Ford over Jeep?
Or is it all about performance!
Ford over Jeep hands down!!!
I choose NONE of them... I rather buy a used Toyota Landcruiser FJ Cruiser...that will outlast the Wrangler or Bronco.... reliability is key to survival when you are outbacking, offloading, or off landing in the wilderness or out in the desert far from civilization.....the Wrangler is plagued with countless numbers of electrical as well as mechanical problems......it's ranked on the bottom rung of the reliability ladder....Consumer Report gave the Jeep Wrangler a big-solid-black DOT for having the worst reliability.....Jeep as a brand is horrible with terrible resale value and horrendous depreciating in value...... a used Toyota Landcruiser FJ Cruiser still go for $35,000-$40,000 in excellent condition and low mileage, and the price is already starting to go up due to demand from serious offroaders and offlanders...
Both of them are for white boys who are "too white boy"... too cleche.... I don't choose any of them...
@@argentumboyle249 yes yes yes one Smart person
As a ford mechanic and bronco nut, of course i'm happy for the new bronco, but the jeep guys should be as well, because more competition gives us all better products.
100%
I've been saying this since day one. Everyone wins!
Maybe it will help reduce the price with some real competition.
I agree but putting IFS in a suv like the bronco is like what Chevy did to impalas it’s a down right disgrace
Or it takes sales away and jeep isn't as big of a company as ford and they fold.
The fact that a base bronco can have the Sasquatch package is the winner for me.
Any guesses what it should cost?
True but keep in mind you can't get the manual or the base engine with the Sasquatch package. You HAVE to opt for those.
@@Ihateironyanddumbusernames You can definitely get the 2.3 with the Sasquatch.
@@Ihateironyanddumbusernames I think I saw that some ppl from ford recently set up a sort of poll if customers would like to see the manual get the sasquatch package
@@4WDMagazine im guessing on the Base bronco it's going to be 7995. And on the OBX and the big bend its going to be 5995.
Folding a windshield is a non issue, i would imagine 1 in 10,000 people will ever even do it once in their ownership.
Well, I don't fold flat unless I am on a non-dusty trail. But it feels pretty cool. It's one of those features that if you've never had, you won't know what you're missing. Just saying.
Yeah I agree. I’ve never seen wranglers with their windshields folded down. It’s a pain in the ass to do it so why would you
I think you're missing a zero. 1 in 100,000. :)
@@4WDMagazine Maybe that's my problem. I feel like we're never on a non-dusty trail. :)
@@kenxiong6830 do you own a Wrangler? On the JL Wrangler it's actually easier to fold the windshield down than take the whole hard top off in my opinion. Takes several minutes once you know the routine.
This really makes me think what was GM thinking when they designed that new chevy blazer
They werent
Amen to that..I think chevy thought the Colorado would stand up to the wrangler and bronco..but the Colorado is a truck and to me can't be compared to the other two
They weren’t
Now we need a trail boss or trail blazer
ME FUCKIN TOO JESUS FUCK THEY FUCKED UP
My wife and I have two lifted and locked Wrangler 4 doors and belong to a Jeep club which wheels monthly. We have also attended at least 10 Jeep Jamborees. I can't remember seeing any Jeeps with the windshield folded.
Could you imagine using that while following someone on a trail. A bad day indeed!
My brother did it once on his Land Cruiser. Excessive wind and bugs in the teeth. I never even tried because you have to unbolt the roll bar. Too much hassle. Besides the folding windshield was only needed so they were more compact for shipping by the military.
@@steveschumacher6202 haha I had a 1978 FJ40 Land Cruiser and I never folded it down.
@@Lessk69 Could you imagine being in a Jeep club?
Watch the old flatties... They love to fold em down!
Please everyone buy a bronco! That competition will only make modding my jk more affordable.
Gabriel Morera jk parts are already dirt cheap.. go buy a raptor and then you find out what high priced mods are.
My feeling is that aftermarket parts pricing for Jeep is very competitive - the problem is figuring what to choose?
@@Goingforbroke71 what mods do people need for the raptors?
@@argon7479 purses and tampons
Used to want a Wrangler like everybody else. Now I want a Bronco like everybody else.
If you are financially secure, buy an old TJ Wrangler and a new Bronco. The old TJ you can modify and beat up, repair, beat up, repair and repeat. The Bronco can be your mall crawler until it gets old enough that you don't care about a little scratch here and there.
(I have an old 94 Wrangler YJ..... I love it and plan on never selling it..... but I just think the new Bronco is going to be so much better than a new Wrangler.)
@@jackgerald5802 Yeah, That IFS will be pretty smooth on road. I have a 2 door JL and it feels good on road for a solid axle, short wheelbase vehicle, even with a moderate lift and 35s it's smooth as butter compared to the TJ and is like a Cadillac compared to a YJ or CJ but it'll never be as smooth on road when you compare it to an IFS truck.
This is spot on.
Just started my channel where I take used trucks into the mountains of Canada and bag on them. I hope I can make some people laugh.
I believe Ford will sell the piss out of them! I can see shady dealers price jacking, too!
I've owned a JK for 12 years and have always been a Ford guy, I've bought many trucks and actual SUVs from them. I can say I do not have a bias. I'll have one of each please.
And a nice big garage to store them in!
Jeeps are made not bought. You buy the cheapest jeep you can get away with and make the kind of jeep you want.
I like the way you think!
I see you're a man of culture as well
same with bronco
true
So... YJ then.
Jeep has been hosing everyone for years on options, thank you Ford for forcing change.
Just so everyone knows as of yesterday ford stated the sasquatch package will now be available with a manual trans!
It doesn't work that way on Fors's "Build & Price" . If you select the Sasquatch it automatically adjusts to 10speed auto...
NICE
Did I miss something or did you forget to give a point to Bronco for having more options at base model?
For some reason they actually gave that point to jeep
Nearly $30,000 and no AC???? Pass!!!
Hot days like today it seems a necessity!
Which one doesn’t have AC?
@@bkelly821 Wrangler
The base wrangler JL has AC. The build a jeep shows it as an option, but when you click on it, it shows included.
No AC wtf
They are in meth🔥🔥😬 bronco for the Win stander AC
6:46 So , the best trail vehicle is unfortunately the unavailable Suzuki Jimny .
Why not available?
Bring back the international scout !!!!!
yeah!!!!
That would be cool, however I think the fact that wrangler has continuously maintained its basic shape since WWII is amazing!
@@fredfabris7187They saved money on the body styling, All the more reason they should have done some innovation with the driveline. Jeep engines were the worst and their transmissions suck too. WTF??
YA TRUE
Loved my '78 IH Scout II. And now realize I could have simply rebuilt it a couple of times and could have still been driving it today after 40 years!!
I would really love to see the other end of this comparison. Let's hear the Rubicon vs. Sasquatch discussion!
I'd say...just wait a little longer and save up for what you really want. My opinion may be biased, but all the Ford's I've ever owned have had plenty of issues. Even my raptor.
I have a 96' Bronco with 250,000mi. on it that has been through hell and back. When Jeep unveiled the newest version of the Wrangler I decided it was time to retire the ol' Bronco and pick up a new offroad/camping rig. I ended up purchasing a 2018 Wrangler Rubicon Unlimited and ended up regretting that decision. I had that damn Jeep in for warranty repairs 3 times in the first year of owning it, not to mention the problems I had that the dealership claimed they couldn't replicate. Issues with the Sway Bar disconnect, Lockers non engaging, Alignment and Vibration issues, a mystery rattle ect... Suffice to say the Jeep has been sold and I ended up taking a massive loss. My old Bronco has since been brought out of retirement and I have been bashing it around local trails without issue ever since. I would definitely take a the new Bronco over a Jeep but I really hope Ford brings some of the old school Bronco reliability and toughness to with it.
Because, 'Fiat'. Love my Daimler era TJ. I won't own a Fiat Heep.
Ouch! That sucks about the Jeep but good on ya for keeping the old Bronco.
I had a 2005 Jeep Rubicon TJ and I had it back to the dealer a documented 13 times total under warranty for stuff like oil leaks, O2 sensors, cam sensor, crank sensor, transmission, and evaporative system failures. Broke my heart because when it was running the way it should, that little Jeep was awesome off-road and looked great! The TJ was a lemon but, I know others that never had issues with theirs. Sold it and bought a Chevy pickup.
@Richard McCaig That is true, and seeing what those Rubicons are capable of I wish my experience had turned out different. If this new Bronco turns out to be a dud maybe I will consider giving Jeep another go someday
Sounds like a Jeep! I can't complain. I bought a 2013 Sport S 2 door for my (now ex) wife. She wanted hard top, AC, and auto. Those were the only upgrades. We split a year after that. Had zero issues. It was nice, strong, good mileage. But! Never took it off-road once and didn't have many miles on when I last saw it. She still has it.
The fact that you can get the Sasquatch package, even on the base, makes the choice even more clear.
This.
Agreed. Be interesting to see what they charge on top of the base price.
@@4WDMagazine A Base with Sasquatch package will be more capable than anything Jeep offers short of a Rubicon, which is $43,000 with auto transmission. So unless the Sasquatch+auto adds $13,000 to the price of the Base (which it won't), it will be a better value than anything Jeep offers.
That's pretty much the closer for me. I love the 'Squatch package and the manual transmission. I will miss the waves, though.
Soooo, you picked the Bronco for a trail rig even though it’s Break over and departure angles are worse than the wrangler and it has a independent front suspension that is weaker for off road and very costly to lift? Doesn’t make sense my friend...
Ford: We put a ecoboost in the Bronco
Jeep: We just threw a 392 Hemi in the Wrangler
None of the Bronco fanboys are posting replies. I LOVED the commercial Jeep released the day the Bronco was revealed showing the V8 Wrangler! With that said, there is not even a slight chance I'm spending an additional $10k for a V8 Wrangler........You'll be spending close to $80k for a fully equipped Rubicon!
Jeep fans have been asking for a V8 wrangler for years. They didn’t get it until the bronco was introduced. Everyone benefits. I’m going for the bronco. I have personal reservations about FCA quality.
FCA can magically get a V8 to pass crash testing all of a sudden? Their timing reeks of insecurity. It was in poor taste, IMO. They could have waited a week.
@@RKmndo Are you offended by capitalism? Their timing was PERFECTION!
@@8654ZuluFoxtrot No, I'm not offended. I think the timing showed a lack of class, especially since it's still just a concept vehicle. Jeepers have been clamoring for a V8 for decades. FCA claimed the excuse that they couldn't get it to meet crash standards. FCA could have trotted out this concept a few days before or after and had similar effect. Doing it on the same day was tacky, IMO. It reeked of insecurity.
You gotta have A/C if you live in Arizona! Bronco gets it, unless I add the option to the Jeep.
Even in southern BC Canada - hit 40°C (104°F) on the road yesterday
Elizabeth Escher the Jeep comes with AC. He is full of shit. I have a jeep and everyone I have looked at had AC. It's not a option it's standard. He is just trying to sell bronco. I'll keep my jeep.
Terry DeRush you have to pay extra for a Jeep even tho it should come default
4WD Magazine Lies. Canada is cold as hell.
Terry DeRush go and spec one, it’s a option, obviously everyone gets it but it is a option.
I’m new to the off road world and just bought myself a ‘97 TJ Wrangler Sport that I LOVE so far. The new Bronco is definitely appealing and has me interested to walk through the doors of a Ford dealer in the future. If I ever decide to buy one, that TJ will still be sitting in my garage next to it. I’m sure of that. It’s such a blast, even with the quirks of a 23 year old vehicle.
Competition drives innovation! I’m excited to see it.
Welcome aboard the Jeep world!
Standard AC, Hardtop, and the 8" touchscreen with Sync really tilt my favor towards the 'essential' (base) Bronco as a potential daily driver. Every time I configured a Wrangler Sport with those options pricing would take a quantum leap far, far above my proposed mental 'budget' and I'd quit my build.
The Wrangler is still in the running but Jeep needs to get off it's high horse and pony up some reasons to choose them vs. Ford. Bravo on Ford for bringing the Bronco out the stable to get Jeep a bit hot under their stuffy collar!
The thing with Jeep though is you aren't paying that price. Or let me say this if you can't get that price down thousands you aren't even trying. I got $7500 off the sticker price for mine. Maybe it was timing or I was good at negotiating but ford won't be offering any sorts of sales on the Bronco for years (since deliveries are extending to 18 months in some cases).
Great still have to wait half a decade to be able to afford one
No one has folded down their Jeep windshield in the last 40 years...
TheCrankyBob I do every time I drive it. Of course I have a 1953 cj3 so it’s pretty easy
My windshield was always folded down on my cj7. When poking down a trail slowly , you get way more air circulating to stay cool.
And no wrangler owner wishes they had an independent front suspension.
4 bolts and my JL has the windshield down. It's really nice on slow trails.
My grandfather had a WWII jeep and he took the windshield off completely.
I like the way you talk, present and the selection of consideration points! On the merit - would be hard choice! Such a hype for Bronco now! They did a good job at Ford in terms of competive positioning thinking.
I always forget about the windshield folding down in the Jeep. I've never seen it down. Ever. Cool none the less.
Other manufacturers tried to compete with jeep many times in the past. I ask, what 4x4 has been made for years and all off road vehicles are measured against it. There's only one
Toyota LC?
Suzuki Jimny?
Nissan Patrol?
Unimog?
So, by that logic, the Mustang is the ultimate pony car? It never went out of production since introduction.
@Speed Gate yes they are just out of the US
I ordered the Bronco Wildtrax.
I live in canada, so the wash out interior of the black diamond is important for me. I hate worrying about cleaning salt, slush, muck out of the vehicle so the rubberized floors with vinyl seats are a must have given just how expensive it would be to change something like that aftermarket. Plus, overhead aux switches like a spaceship or plane is also cool lol
Here's the next upgrade for my 2015 JKU floor - goarmorlite.com
@@4WDMagazine Too bad nothing for the JL/JT. I have a 2020 Glad Rubicon and would love this product in my Jeep.
We own a '19 JLU Wrangler Sahara, and while we have the top and doors off all summer here in So Cal, we have never once put the windshield down. The Sport comes in at a lower price than the Bronco Base, but to get AC you have to go Sport S which starts at $33,235 w/ destination. Add the $1295 hard top (comes standard on the Bronco). In order to get a more comparably-sized screen (7") you have to spec the tech group, and now you're at $35,525.
My son loves his Jeep, but when our other SUV ('11 Pathfinder 4x4) dies we will definitely look at the Bronco 4-door and the new Defender.
Thanks for the info. Defender is a great vehicle too.
It's a Sahara. I'm surprised you even took the doors off. (I don't mean that in a negative way, just most folks owning that model never do anything off road-related). Windshield down is for dusty trails at low speed, not for driving around LA in a upscale Jeep.
@@rsg1963 It's for my son and the Rubi was too much $$ and insurance. We have a place in Utah so do some light/medium off roading in the summer and deep snow in the winter. BFG KO2s, Rubi springs/shocks, Quadratec QRC bumper (winch coming), so its more functional than most Saharas. :-)
@@stevenhatchel4042 I should have remembered the name is just a name and the parts are removable, lol. Keep at it! :-)
A 2dr Jeep shouldn’t be more then $25,000
You can barely even get a base Escape and Rav 4 for $25k. No way you would get for either of these for under $30k.
@@Michael-ur5qb the Bronco base is 200 dollars more than the rangular and it has more space, more horsepower, remote keyless entry and push start, 8 inch touch screen, LED headlights and air conditioning.
Adding the Air conditioning to the Wrangler alone is 200 bucks. So tell me how Jeep will justify their pricing now
@Kory Podgaysky something being overpriced has nothing to do with the fact the people are buying them. Jeep has been the only option in new offroad vehicles as base vehicles since 2010 when hummer was collapsed. They've had zero competition outside of hummer pretty much since the mid 90s. Their pricing is not based on the product you get but what they are charging for it.
The fact that the Bronco comes with so many more features and technology stock and is only $200 more at base says as much
@Kory Podgaysky Dumbass my post literally stats why the price was what it was. You're arguement was then why do people bye them
Bought a new Sahara 2door in 2005 for $25k and sold it back to the dealership in 2011 for $13k.
One of the big unknowns at this point is how much the Sasquatch package costs on the Base trim level. If that is affordable (say $2k) then it would blow the Wrangler Sport out of the water. You get a much upgraded suspension, a lift, front and rear lockers and 35" M/T tires that are beadlock ready. Because of the lift and tires the Approach, Departure, Breakover and Clearance numbers also improve dramatically.
AC is an option in 2020?
Yup. I still look it up to make sure. Almost $30,000 USD and no A/C
They call it "no charge air conditioning bypass". LOL. What a marketing scam!
Thankfully, my 2004 has no A/C and I prefer that. One less thing to fix.
@@jeremy8715 Pfff, okay, whatever, where i live, having no AC is asking to die of heat stroke.
Lol, yea. When I got my used 2018 sport. One of the 3 we were choosing from in the final running didn't have AC and this was in one of the hottest parts of SC (not sure where it started life). The funny thing is the controls are no different so you don't realize it until you go to use it and it never blows cold. The dealership selling it didn't even realize it. Scratched that one off the list.
Unlike most videos i have seen. I am happy this guy is being non bias and just putting the stats out there. Thank you for that!
Jeep has to drop their price or they're going to get killed at the sales lot.
If the preliminary information is correct, it appears the Bronco and Jeep prices will be pretty much the same for similar trim levels. As long as consumers are willing to pay Jeep and Bronco’s asking price, the prices won’t be coming down.
Their prices are comparable and people WILL continue to pay for it as well as the Bronco. The demand is there for both. And honestly I have a Sport S that I walked out of the door with for $32k which I think is a pretty good deal considering a Rav 4 is easily that price.
When a Kia sedan can get up into the mid 50's, I really dont think Jeep is that expensive.
I wish that was true but history shows both models will probably go up in price eventually...wishful thinking that these car companies can lower prices their in it to maximize profits just look at the truck market 70k trucks really?
You can order a Jeep for 7-8% below INVOICE with whatever you want on it. For the first year or two comparing MSRP will not be relevant, because the Bronco supply is going to take a while to catch up to demand, so I can't imagine them selling much below MSRP.
Running trails with the windshield down is great. If people tried it they would understand. Unfortunately AC has become the new trail accessory.
Agreed on all points.
I've got ATVs and stuff like that. Quite honestly, I don't see the appeal. I love running in open trails, but when the speed goes lower, I don't see the benefits. Especially on more technical trails, where you can't go fast. And in any dusty trails, a windshield up with AC is better than a windshield down and air.
I don't know. It's more of a gimmick than a feature. Can't say I really care for it. Nor do I care for the Jeep or Bronco as a daily driver really, my off-road needs are covered by other vehicles. And we don't have trails wide enough for either vehicles near me.
@@Xyler94 "trails wide enough for a jeep"if a full size ATV or snowmobile can fit on a trail, then a TJ can fit lol.
@@c4onmylip Not really. Trees or rocks can be too closely spaced. There are trails where my dualsport barely fits between trees or rocks. An ATV won't fit there. 'Similar deal with Jeeps vs ATVs.
72 CJ 5 with quick release windshield. Loved hitting trials with the windshield down..
Good video! I’m just excited to see what both Ford and Jeep will do with a bit of healthy competition. Regardless which path you take, this is good news for everyone. Too bad the Blazer didn’t come out this way... I’d love to see Toyota and Suzuki join the competition in North America with FJ returning and Jimny coming over.
I think the approach, departure and clearance measurements are the most important criteria. Unless modifications are done it is what gets you through or over the tough stuff.
Bronco looks like someting that eat’s a bowl of Wrangler’s with milk every morning - I love it 👍😎
The Bronco's IFS kind of let the air out of my bubble of anticipation. If I wanted an FJ Cruiser, I'd have bought one from Toyota...
The IFS was clearly an on-road ride quality decision. I remember waaaay back in the early 90s there was an SUV comparison (in Car and Driver of all things) between the Ford Explorer and the Jeep Cherokee. The Explorer got stuck twice in the off-road part of the test, the jeep did not and the only comment about it was how much better the explorer handled on-road. This is why the Bronco has IFS.
@@jjc4577 I've never seen a Raptor off road and it'll probably be the same deal with the FJ Bronco, so I guess that makes sense.
I was thinking the same thing
When I drove the FJ Cruiser, I felt like I was sitting in a military HUMVEE-In a hole. I would actually take a Toyota HiLux of the 1985 era with only A/C. Have you seen the torture tests of the old HiLux? Makes me want to wear a Hijab, grow a beard and buy a 50cal with a bed mount.
And wave at the soccer moms!!!!!!!
Need... want... need.... doesn't matter - same thing. LOL. So true
MY 2 best jeep purchases were a GPW and a 1961 FC 170 pickup though the GPW was made by Ford few Jeep owners would ever know it. The FC 170 was a cabover pick up by Willy's. Wonderful 4wd that served their purpose for years.
And in Arizona, the hard top is a biggggg ass win. I’m guessing in cold areas too cuz ima go out on a limb and say soft tops don’t hold up to snow
Im so happy and excited with the current automotive market, street or offroad every automaker is pushing their best foot foward
Bronco for me! I couldn't care less about a folding windshield, lol! The only reason Jeeps have a folding windshield now is because Ford shipped them in a box off to the Allies during WWII.
On road, off road...who the hell wants to eat bugs, dust or flying retreads from an 18 wheeler!!!
Seeing how Ford built Jeeps long before Jeep did, I am confident they can build a serious, reliable, off road vehicle!!! GO BRONCO!!!
Thanks for the comment. What about no convertible top in the 2-door Bronco? Any thoughts?
I’m sure there will be all kinds of aftermarket tops for the 2 door..jeeps have dozens of aftermarket manufacturers making them.. give it 2-3 months after they hit the road and they will be out
Agreed. Anyone who has ridden a motorcycle without a windshield or face shield at 25mph or more knows that folding down a windshield in a car/Jeep is a useless option. :)
@@4WDMagazine Hard top is standard in the two-door, but a soft-top may be an option, either in place of or in addition to. Interestingly, Ford is saying the soft top will be standard in the four-door. I think this comes down to personal preference so there's no way to give a "point" to either vehicle because someone like me is just as likely to prefer the hard top with easily-removed front panels whereas someone else might like the noisier, thinner soft top.
Jeeps have folding windshields to fit a stretcher on top to carry wounded soldiers on the battlefield. Bronco looks cool but would never make it on trails I go on in mountains. Shame Ford fucked up with such an underpowered engine and no solid front axle.
I’d like to see a video comparing maintenance and reliability between both of these vehicles!
On the 2dr Bronco's several Ford sources say YOU CAN NOT STORE THE DOORS IN THE CARGO AREA.
Thanks. Have you got a link for us to a Ford source?
@@4WDMagazine You cannot store the doors in the back on the 2 door because the doors are longer on the 2 door
For those of us that enjoy turning a wrench from time to time, which one is easier for a backyard mechanic to work on? Like if I want to do my own oil changes, or tire rotations or something simple like install an aftermarket bumper... Which one am I going to be able to fix oxygen sensors on without having to lift the engine?
However, the Jeep doesn’t have mirrors when you take the doors off. So that’s another charge to match the Bronco.
Philip Toruno yea but for $60 or $40 you can just get mirrors that hook on to where your doors go (like the lil hinges that the door sits on)
you can literally buy mirrors that you specifically use for when your doors are off for $30-40
Who needs mirrors just one more thing to break while playing off road. I don 't know why they didn't just install camera's as an option like I said who needs mirrors.
@@MYTOYMAKERZ on road the law says you need mirrors
You can also buy brackets to relocate the mirrors to the windshield, pretty cheap.
I’ve owned Jeeps for 30 years and have to say I’m in love with my 2018 Jeep Wrangler JLU Rubicon. It’s realer than real deal Hollifield, I owned a JK but the New Model is far superior in every aspect!! It has solid axles and drives like my Grandfather’s Cadillac. I’m just upset I bought the automatic and not the manual, did it do whole family could drive it but I’m the only one who drives it. I had a 2016 2 door JK 6 speed and replaced the factory shifter and stick with the B&M short shifter and their stick. What a difference, the throws were just too dam long from factory.
I'm going to say the Bronco wins this one. I can't wait to get mine.
You're going to have a blast.
Bronco ftw! Im getting one too!
A great review. You never see people compare the base models of different vehicles. As a Jeep technician I enjoy seeing the added competition. Hopefully it will bring prices down and encourage innovation. The off-road segment has gotten a little stale and they charge crazy prices because people will pay them when there is no other option. I really don’t care a lot about leather and electronics. The base bronco with the Sasquatch package is what I would be going for. It would be nice if Jeep offers something comparable.
For me the clear winner is the Bronco. First off, the the two door wrangler cargo volume is too small for me to even consider buying it. I would remove the back seats no matter which vehicle I bought. My style of four wheeling doesn't involve rock gardens or desert racing, so the predictable crawl rate you get with the manual is a primary consideration. As you illustrated, the Bronco is the clear winner. I would get the Black Diamond. Upgrade to the marine grade seats/rubberized flooring, 477 gears (for 33" tires), and factory installed 2" lift. Ultimately I'd probably opt for the four dr because of a better overlanding fit, but I'd always want the two dr. That Bronco looks amazing!
Thanks for sharing! As much as I love the specs for the 2-door Wrangler, I opted for the 4-door (unlimited) for exactly that reason - I needed the room as a daily driver and overland vehicle. You are spot on.
How about the Badlands edition? Lockers front AND rear.
@@jackgerald5802 Im pretty sure the Black Diamond is also available with front and rear lockers. The Badlands has some nice to have features like the disconnectable sway bars, but you loose the manual transmission. You also loose the manual transmission with the Sasquach package, so that's out as well. A question mark is going to be how much compression breaking are your going to get with such a small engine. Also, at what rpm are you going to approach the max torgue numbers. This manual transmission could be very short lived if we don't get positive answers to these questions. Which would be too bad.
Thanks for the great video. I think I will just hold off and see what 2022 brings. 1st year models are usually improved. The Bronco's warranty is abysmal at the moment.
But fords more reliable then jeep
If you're looking to off-road you're going to be in a Rubicon or Sasquatch, so the comparison is sort of pointless. Unless...you're going to be going with a base and doing extensive upgrades yourself. In that case the Bronco is still a clear victor. The Jeep's clearance advantage vanishes when you replace the Bronco's stock 16" wheels. And who cares about fold-down windshields? And the contrived "top-down experience"? While a soft top is absolutely appealing, Ford or the aftermarket will provide one of those for way cheaper than adding a hardtop for a Jeep. This was dubious manipulation to make the test seem close. Bottom line is that the only way a Jeep makes sense is for those who really need to save a couple inches in length and width and spend their days hardcore, solid-axle rock crawling, without needing to haul much with them or care how comfortable they are getting there.
Not to mention how much more civilized a Bronco will be on-road the 95% of the time you use it. Front suspension and rack-and-pinion steering will make it a much better daily driver. That extra wheelbase and length make it a better-riding vehicle with more room. There's a reason why Jeep's 4-door is way, way out-selling the 2-door. The 2-door is just smaller than all but the most hardcore owners want.
I'm not a trail rider. I'm a beach and river guy. I've had an old Suzuki sidekick, that may or may not ever had doors, I've never seen em since I've had it. But it's time for an update and I'm getting a '21 Bronco next year for the look and storing the doors in the back.
He is the Casey Kasem of 4x4 reviews
Thanks, I think!?....
@@4WDMagazine it's good. Casey Kasem is a presentation legend.
Great video with the best intro, ever. Exactly what I wanted to watch, thank you!
Ive had a 2017 Rubicon and barely offroaded it because i was afraid to break it for the price i paid and even not taking it offroad i had problems with electronics also had a oil leak and the transmission started slipping at 40,000 miles and there were other small issues that happened at less then 20k after the transmission started acting up i traded it in on a new 2019 f150 lariat fx4 and its been nothing but 100% reliable and its approaching 40k mark ive always been a jeep and Chevy truck guy ive had many older jeep Cherokees with the 4.0 straight 6 and all had over 200k on them and had several Chevy 1500s and all where good but i didn't research the wranglers like i should have i just wanted a bad ass Rubicon and the reason i chose the new f150 is because i done lots of research on trucks and it seems that Chevy have to many problems these days including rust problems and the rams are full of problems even though i think there nice but i went with the ford because they are number 1 for a reason and i got the 5.0 v8 because its proven and less things to go wrong ive also put my reservation in for the new Bronco because my f150 is basically about paid off so i will have a ford for work and a ford for play cant wait for my new 4 door sasquach
Thanks for the feedback. We love hearing from guys with real world experience.
Owned 6 Jeep wranglers and 8 RAMS... all junk and issues from the factory (replacement parts constantly on back-order... poor customer service). There's a reason Chrsyler is not known for quality and keep getting bought out. If I ever off-road again, Bronco for sure although I'm not a fan of small-displacement turbo motors.
@@athletejmv if you had such bad luck with them why did you own so many it sure didnt take that many for me to realize
Best bronco vs wrangler video I ve seen so far, thank you
The bronco may be a bit longer. It's actually an advantage. It's not too long that it'll get hung up in most places the jeep can go. It makes it a better hill climber and will give it more room to work with while going over specific terrain. Also, it's only a half inch wider. Point goes to the bronco for a wider range of terrain it can conquer in it's 2 door base form. The bronco is IFS. An H3 can out turn ANY straight axle jeep product. What makes you think the bronco will be any different? But if you're looking for a true overlander (rough terrain but long trips), the bronco is your best bet. But if you're looking to build a wheeler/crawler. Get a Jeep. You're also less likely to take on door damage in a Jeep Wrangler. Simply by it's design. There are advantages to both. This Overlander will be getting a Bronco.
Good points.
Thomas Cruz for sure 100 percent agree! And For all mall cruisers the Independent front suspension is way better ! I’ll be ordering mine with X plan soon !
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I have 2 jeeps and a 76 Bronco. I don't feel that I am brand biased. All I can say is there is no solid axle on the new bronco. I can't get past that.
I wish there was a solid axel
You'll never find a 100% base model in either.
I've been searching for a decent 4 door MANUAL wrangler for a year. Good luck
@@MrJoshcc600 I've "reserved" one -- never came. Dealer and manufactures wont follow through, except for Tesla. They'll sell and build youre actual car requested
@@Oaky that is a shame. I owned 3 TJs and custom ordered 2 of them.
3rd option take the money you were going to spend on either of these two and buy a used Unimog, depending on model you can even get your folding windshield....
I am not familiar with all the features yet but I think the Bronco base also comes with power windows and locks while the Wrangler doesn't.
Someone please correct me if I am wrong about this with the Bronco...
I'm pretty sure about power windows and power mirrors, so power locks makes sense too.
Great comparison! This is exactly what I've been looking for. There is another important category that can only be compared "down the road." And that's RELIABILITY.
No solid front axle in the Bronco. This comparison died on some engineer's laptop a long time ago.
Eh, there's gonna be someone flying through fields happy to have it.
Not really. The flex numbers on the new Bronco are respectable, even with the IFS, and many potential buyers are never going to come close to the stock vehicle's limits offroad. Not with lockers, 35s, and a winch. The IFS Bronco will also probably be better for getting to the trail...and commuting...and road trips. For overlanding and exploring, the Bronco may actually be a better vehicle.
Unless you're going over boulders 3 ft high, you'll never utilize the full capacity of the solid axle (and would need the Rubicon's disconnecting sway bar)
@@dundonrl 3 foot high? Those Broncos are lifting a tire over pretty small rocks. You need down pressure on your tires to maintain traction, even with a locker.
Secondly. sway bar disconnects are $100 or less a set..don't need a lousy electric disconnect like the Rubicon has. The Currie Antirock is the superior option and it doesn't even disconnect the sway bar fully.
Essential option #1 Swaybar disconnect. Single best feature an offroader can have.
How fast will the Bronco's ifs burn through cv joints?
CV joints, control arm bushings, ball joints, tie rod ends. My boss owns a raptor snapped a shaft on the CV axle and snakes the others and all the joints are shot. When ford males a purpose built vehicle it's meant to be maintained after each outing
I want to see that ifs articulation compared to the jeep
The bronco video I just watched said the bronco's come with 35's on it for all trim levels.
That changes the approach/ departure angles
The Jeep sport charges $1,295 for the hard top. It comes standard in the 2 door Bronco. You can't order front and rear lockers on the jeep sport.
How do you feel about no convertible top for base 2-door?
@@4WDMagazine My guess is there will be an aftermarket soft top for the Bronco.
My guess is that after you add the Sasquatch package you will be getting close to Rubicon pricing.
@@JEEPLIFE64 Pretty much, and you still don't get the sway bar disconnector unless you buy a Badlands model which means your definately in Rubicon pricing.
A base 2 door runs 29k.. add the Sasquatch package lets say 5k.. that’s 34k.. show me a 2 door rubicon for 35k.. don’t think that’s possible..
Nothing does better than a 2 door rubicon off road from the factory ! Also the straight axle in front of the Jeep , is better for articulation ,and on the rubicon , it has a sway bar disconnect !
Useless. I can look up specs. I want back to back driving impressions on and off road.
The Bronco doors on the 2-door model are not storable in the back ( they are too large). That function has only been guaranteed for the 4-door models.
Thanks for the comment. We're still looking for a link from a Ford source on this - do you have one?
Scottie said: eco boost it's a money pit.
V6 a winner.
Scottie would tell you to buy a Toyota over a Jeep.
I’d take the naturally aspirated engine any day. No shortage of torque in low range.
Just a quick comment to provide some clarification on the removal and storage of the doors on the Bronco 2-door model. As it stands currently, only the 4-door model has the ability to store the doors in the rear storage area. Unless Ford makes a major change to the design of the 2-door model prior to rollout, it will not have this available storage for the 2-door model as the doors on the 2-door are wider than those on the 4-door. You can still certainly leave them in camp or at home, but unfortunately removing and safely storing the doors on the trail will not be an option.
Thanks for the info!
You really can’t say anything yet until you drive a Bronco. Jeep is still the King and has been doing this forever! Jeep has never stopped! So slow down a bit!
I've owned a few jeeps and a few fords. There's a reason they call them heeps. Ill take ford Truck Quality over Dodge/Jeep anytime.
There's a reason 60's broncos cost 30k and a 60's jeep cost a couple grand.
@@rs5200I call Jeeps, Cheeps!! Had a new '95 Jeep Cherokee Sport, had a good engine (6 Cil.) and good auto trany. Everything, and I mean everything else fell off or broke within the first 5 years! Plus I had to install new Kevlar break pads @ 5000 miles! Ended my love affair with Cheep, I mean Jeep.
@@rs5200 If we are going to talk about reliability and ford the only two mentions I need to cite are Focus and Fiesta. Total pieces of garbage that killed their cars.
@@Michael-ur5qb I owned 3 TJs, two rangers (and a Ford car). Never had a single issue with the Ford's and tons of issues with the Jeeps and none of it was off road related. People clamor on and on about "Jeeps " been doing this for long time. Well so has Ford, after all a wrangler is nothing more than a small truck.
After lots of research and cant afford the crazy prices I went with: New 2022 Bronco Base Sasquatch. $43K. Job done. Cheaper than a used Rubicon. I'm also not needing to go crazy w mods as I'm nota mechanic. SAS package gave me everything I needed. Just put skid plates on it.
The Bronco comes with 1 free option. You get to go to the Ford dealership every month with a transmission problem or a recall.
And you base that on what?
Neighter is a match for my 1976 Int'L Terra Scout-II..... 118" wb, ac, 345, 4x4, auto & dana.....
We want a 7 speed manual with the v6 not just the 4 cil.
As a jeep owner, I've got nothing against the Bronco and can't wait to see some on the trails. However, throw some 2.5'' springs, shocks, longer sway endlinks and any type flex-joint arms on the sport for about $1k cost and it's twice as good as stock. I'd guess upgrading the broncos travel would be major $$$. You can even get overland type higher rate springs that would boost towing and payload numbers. Jeeps aftermarket is just so vast. We'll see what happens with the aftermarket for Bronco. I for one, can't wait to see what they produce.
Don't forget the dealership markup on the broncos xD
Let's hope there's a mark down...
Besides that, they won't be ordering many base trucks, so options will be limited as well, assuming you don't reserve
Build your own when the ford website makes the feature available for the Bronco & then reserve it. You select the dealer it’ll be shipped to. Check with the dealer beforehand & make sure they aren’t going to add any markup to it for their trouble. I heard a rep from Town & Country Ford in Bessemer, AL mention that some dealerships would do that, but that their dealership wouldn’t be. Whatever the MSRP & added options came out to on the website was the same amount they said the customer would pay when they took delivery from them, plus whatever state or local tax applied of course. Tag & title & all that.
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They’d be smart to order base models with the Sasquatch package & an even mix with the 2.3L & 2.7L engines. I think they’d sell a lot of them because the price point is within more people’s budget. I’m sure you’re right though. It’ll be like the F150s. They’ll order upper trim levels loaded with all the options & $50,000+ stickers in the windows.
@@CrowCreekOutdoors yeah I think there'd be a lot more inventory moving that way. They probably like their margins on the higher trims, and people will have limited choices so they'll get into a sale they don't really want or can't afford just to have one.
Now that my Jeep Wrangler Sport's 2006 frame is rusting beyond the value of the car...This is the exact comparison I was looking for...the base models of Wrangler and Bronco. Thanks!
I will wait for actual testing to see what trail control can do with those 30" tires
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Good point.
@@pandapaul GOOD LORD! That's way under 30' radius.
@Cody Berrier That would be rather stupid. You can order 33" or 35" tires instead. I wonder what "Ford Bronco Engineers" can do with Trail Control on 30" tires. If you think that's weird, that's your issue. Meanwhile , you should check out the Bronco Sport at Moab, climbing like a chimp with 29"s on independent suspension at both ends.
As a Jeep TJ owner, the fold-down windshield isn't even an issue as I don't know anyone who EVER folds down their windshield. I dislike any Jeep made after 2006 and I'm very excited to see the return of the Bronco.
save your time , the bronco
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You can actually disconnect the away bar on the Jeep sport. You just need to manually do it. Doesn't take that long.
We never have, and never will, fold our Wrangler windshield. Not even a consideration.
You're very closed minded. Fold it down and put put around town and you'll fall in love
It's pretty pointless on a modern jeep because you have a full cage around you.....now on my real jeep (61 Willy's CJ5) it's a whole different story
@@mistyssidemeattreat9498 If I want wind in my face I'll hop on my Motorcycle.
The only place a windshield can be dropped legally is off road. My son has dropped the windshield when he was off roading.
@@mistyssidemeattreat9498 Ridden for miles in an old bronco that way, and several old jeeps. Still not even a consideration on our own.
Brand loyalty is the number one reason either way in my opinion.
I'll stick with my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn 4.0L I6, 3.73 gears, Dana 44 on a 2.5" lift with 32" Bfg Ko2's.
There's nothing like a well built 4.0 I6 TJ! Yes these new Broncos and Wranglers are cool, but I'll go with a TJ or CJ-7 over these any day of the week. My '05 TJ is by far the best vehicle I've had, it's one bad ass Jeep!
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Awesome!
I'd like to see this revisited when more is known for sure about every option and stat.
Imagine buying a vehicle in 2020 with no air conditioning
Let alone at 40k!
And in a place like florida. Interesting story. When me and my dad went to go by his wrangler jk, the dealer we went to only sold wranglers with ac fitted. They told us the head manager there simply would not order Wranglers without air conditioning since that was one of my dads requirements.
If the choice to not get it comes down to geographic location, you’re basically assuming you’ll never take it anywhere.
Imagine running AC with the top down.
How about leg room? That's my biggest concern. I'm 6'6" and I cannot drive a wrangler. Not comfortably anyway.
Bronco because it’s Ford parts,not cheap Fiats parts.
Sounds like bias but I'm not complaining!!!
Lmao. Ford parts? Ford has become the new Apple. Build garbage and rely on its fan base to try and convince everyone else otherwise. Kudos to bring one of their minions. Ford builds garbage, period.
I loved my 2007 Jeep Rubicon. But I can tell you right now that I did not enjoy the Jeep when the death wobble set in. The jeep dealer looked at you like a deer in headlights when I mentioned it. Too bad I lost my jeep when an idiot driver decided to take an abrupt right hand turn across three lanes. It broke the front axil in half when I broadsided him.
You stated the standard Bronco hard top as a liability, versus the Wrangler's standard soft top, but forgot to mention the relative ease with which the Bronco's hard top can be removed (UNLIKE the Jeeps hard top, or soft top for that matter!) Or how much easier it is to remove the Bronco's doors versus the Wrangler. . . MOST people who are going to drive this vehicle year round will likely prefer the standard hard top the Bronco provides to the Wrangler's soft top. . . And upgrading the Wrangler to a hard top is expensive. . . I know it's subjective, but I count the standard hard top as a win, even in the open air scenario.
Have you removed a JL soft top? It literally takes less than a minute.
The soft top on my JL comes off in lest than a minute. It really is just a grab and pull operation. Goes back on in maybe just over a minute. And the doors about a minute per. There are a couple of retainer nuts and an electronic connection.
After the third or fourth break in with my Jeep Wrangler soft-top I can definitely say PASS. Thieves just love em. Never again.