ALIENS 4K Blu-ray TEST: In-depth technical analysis of a controversial release
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Here's an in depth dive into the full #4k #bluray of #jamescameron 's #Aliens in #dolbyvision #dolbyatmos
With a comparison of the new 4K #UHD HDR restoration with the old SDR version
In order to preserve the original content of this edition, this video is brought to you in #4KHDR.
Thanks to @TrinnovAudio for allowing me to perform this test with their Object Analyzer.
0:00 Introduction
0:43 Technical features
01:04 Contents
02:41 Image analysis
10:00 Audio analysis
11:11 Conclusion
Hardware used for this test
➡️ Video :
- Sony 83a90j TV
- LG 32EP950-B HDR monitor
- Panasonic DMP-UB900 Blu Ray player
- Sony VPL-VW290ES projector
➡️ Audio :
- System 5.1.4
- Marantz SR-7015 amplifier
- Trinnov Altitude 32 amplifier
- Klipsch RP-500SA II Atmos speakers
- Focal Chorus 726 speakers
➡️ Software :
DaVinci Resolve 18.5
Nobe Omniscope
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I think we need to be picky when it comes to 4k releases because as much as we don't want to admit it this could be the final release of a lot of films.
Think about it, studios only pay for remasters when a new format comes out but UHD Blu-ray may never have a successor.
I mean who's really gonna invest in 8k Blu-Ray unless they own a 100"+ screen.
In the age of streaming, consumers aren't looking out for new releases, a new remaster isn't gonna create many sales in the digital age.
As long as it says 4k, HDR, Atmos on Prime video the distributors really don't care. And I'm not sure if anything new will be coming along that demands a total remaster.
So sadly the poor 4k releases we've seen may be the definitive versions for a lot of these movies, I don't know if we'll ever get to see T2 or Lotr as they originally were.
So absolutely nitpick each release to death so hopefully studios will be encouraged to try harder on their remaining remasters.
For the technical background, in 2010 Alien and Aliens were restored in 4K for the Alien Anthology Blu-ray box set by Lowry Digital. In 2019, a completely new 4K restoration of the theatrical version was created for the Ultra HD Blu-ray of Alien, the directors cut scenes are upscales of the 2010 restoration.
For Aliens, the 2010 restoration was used and additionally processed with AI tools. Peter Jackson's company Park Road was responsible for this. The AI tools cause artefacts, wax faces and the 35 mm film look gives way to a smooth and cheap digital video look. One should not make the mistake of assuming that the quality of the 2010 Blu-ray is the same as the quality of the 4K restoration at the time. After all, the 4K restoration was downscaled to HD and a lot has happened since then in terms of encoding and data rate.
If James Cameron really cared about quality, he would have either created a completely new 4K restoration or at least redone the post-production.
The point of a professional restoration is to recreate the original look and preserve it for future generations. What James Cameron is doing here, however, is the complete opposite, namely revisionism. And no, James Cameron does not have the right to change these films in this way. For one thing, Aliens belongs to 20th Century Studios, not James Cameron. Secondly, films are teamwork, what would the cinematographer Adrian Biddle say about these changes?
Years ago, James Cameron criticised George Lucas for the changes in the Star Wars Special Editions.
James Cameron and George Lucas are the greatest filmmakers of all time, pioneers, visionaries and forerunners of modern new technologies, including digital technology.
@@natalieportmanfan1817 George Lucas made so many mistakes, no he is not a great filmmaker or visionair anymore. The prequels looks cheap with all the CGI and digital camerawork. Even episode I which was shot on 35 mm looks cheap now with all the DNR applied.
And what James Cameron did with his old movies is not better, the Reliance Mediaworks 4K restorations would look so much better without the new color grading and the AI processing.
@@JohnDoe-gc9dy
The Star Wars prequel is a pure masterpiece,.they are the best movies of all time, a great cult trilogy, exciting from start to finish, the best Star Wars trilogy, the greatest Star Wars trilogy, the richest, the most complete, the best period, everything is superb : the deepening of the Star Wars universe and its narrative elements are superb and exciting, and it explores in detail the Clone Wars period, a crucial moment in Star Wars history 🔥😍 a fundamental and exciting pivotal period 🔥💥🔥 the Clone Wars period is the best Star Wars period 🥳🥰🤗😍🔥💥👍
The fascinating plot that develops throughout the movies. The rise to power of Palpatine, Darth Sidious, is masterfully depicted 🥰 His behind-the-scenes shenanigans to undermine the Galactic Republic and bring the galaxy under his control are meticulously presented. His manipulation to form a huge clone army and eradicate the Jedi with Order 66 is a central element of the story, explaining how the Galactic Empire took shape following the fall of the Republic and how Anakin switched to the dark side of the force in order to become Darth Vader 🔥💖 a fallen hero who just wanted to save those he loved 💥🔥 Anakin Skywalker's transformation into Darth Vader is a superb, memorable and breathtaking scene 😍💥 the link with the original trilogy is superbly done. Anakin's internal conflict between his loyalty to the Jedi order and his desire to save those he loves makes his story profound and tragic 🔥🔥 His turn to the dark side, with key moments such as his confrontation with Count Dooku and his heartbreaking final duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar 💥🔥
The prequel also brought an invaluable richness to the Star Wars universe, a detailed insight into the Jedi order, Padawan training, the Sith, mastery of combat and Jedi teachings 💖💥🔥 The focus on the Sith and their philosophy reinforced the dark side of the Force, adding depth and complexity to the saga.
The political aspect of the prequel adds a new dimension to the Star Wars universe, Palpatine's machinations in the Galactic Senate and the growing tensions between planetary systems, creating a richer context for the later events of the original trilogy, the rise of the Empire, the fall of the Republic, the extinction of the Jedi and the tragic story of Anakin Skywalker 💥🔥
The expansion of the universe is also great. New planets, races, creatures, peoples and cultures are introduced, with dugs, gungans, toydarians, kaminoians, the aquatic city, the queen's palace, the galactic senate, the cloning factory, the gungans' aquatic city, the galactic senate, Naboo and Coruscant the best planets, helping to create a larger, more diverse world 💥🔥 Iconic locations such as Kamino, Geonosis, Utapau, Felucia and Mustafar provide visually captivating backdrops for action scenes, development and key plot moments 😍🥰💖💥 Cult and iconic characters, Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala, Qui-Gon Jinn. Mace Windu, General Grievous, Jango Fett, Watto, Sebulba...❤️🔥🔥
The action scenes and lightsaber battles are among the saga's most memorable. Epic battles such as the Battle of Geonosis, the Pod Race on Tatooine, the Battle of Naboo and the Battle Over Coruscant are highly memorable and emblematic of the saga, they are not only visually impressive, superbly well-realized, but they are also emotionally charged, with characters we've grown to love in danger ❤️🔥
Lightsaber duels between iconic characters such as Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Darth Maul and Yoda are executed with exceptional choreography, adding a visceral dimension to the story, the fight on Naboo, the confrontation with Count Dooku, the Senate summit duel between Yoda and Darth Sidious, the fight against Darth Maul and the fratricidal duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin.... 🔥🔥
The prequel also enriches the Star Wars lore with new charismatic and endearing characters, unforgettable music, "Duel of the Fates", "Across the Stars" ", Battle of the Heroes", a super-rich, exciting and very complete lore and a talented cast of actors, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson and Liam Neeson 💖💥😍🔥
Natalie Portman is superb, gorgeous, gentle, sensual and charismatic, lending her character of Padmé Amidala queen and senator of Naboo exemplary strength, determination and courage. She's perfect, she's iconic 🤗🔥💥🥳🥰 Her evolution from a queen to a senator, into a badass, elegant and determined woman, is a central feature of the trilogy 🔥💖💥
Ewan McGregor and Liam Neeson bring memorable class and presence to the screen. Their dynamic as Jedi masters is palpable, and they convey a wisdom and determination that anchors the story in Jedi heritage. What's more, Christopher Lee's presence as Count Dooku adds a touch of class, elegance and charisma, amplified by his Shakespearean delivery.
The prequel was the revival of the Star Wars saga, bringing real dramatic scope, real political context, real stakes, new superb and emblematic characters, emblematic action scenes, a much richer universe, a more developed, more diversified universe, and a much more extended universe, it fleshed out the saga's lore, and perfectly complements the original trilogy by being inseparable from it.
The Star Wars prequel is a pure masterpiece and the Star Wars trilogy is a masterpiece, and they form an incredible whole, a single great story of exceptional galactic epic 🔥💥 the story of Anakin Skywalker, from his training as a Jedi to his turning to the dark side of the Force to his redemption as a Jedi by saving his son, destroying the Sith and bringing balance back to the Force, the story of the Galactic Empire, once a democratic Republic, and the story of Palpatine, his evolution from Senator to Chancellor to Emperor of the Galaxy, his manipulations to establish his authority in the Senate, to create his own Galactic Empire, topple the Jedi order and keep Anakin with him as an apprentice 🔥🤗💥 and the technological advance towards digital in order to create new worlds, new stratospheric and extraordinary world building, new peoples and build the extraordinary story of the Star Wars prequel 🤗❤🔥💥🥳
@@JohnDoe-gc9dy
Star Wars episode I The Phantom Menace is a superb, exciting and amazing Star Wars movie, magnificent and exciting from start to finish, a movie that perfectly sets up the beginning of the saga, everything is cult, incredible and exciting, Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Padmé Amidala and Anakin Skywalker are superb and emblematic characters of the Star Wars saga, the best characters in the Star Wars saga, political conspiracies, the Trade Federation, Palpatine's influence to take the place of the Chancellor, to establish his authority in the Senate and thus take control of the galaxy, the blockade of the planet Naboo, the Sith, the Padawans, the Jedi Order, droidkass robots, the battle droids, the pod race is still one of the best, most emblematic and anthological scenes in the Star Wars saga, an incredible scene, high in tension and emotion, perfectly directed from start to finish, the political scheming to bring Palpatine to power, the queen who wants to do anything to save her people, the story of Anakin Skywalker, a young slave tinkerer from Tatooine who wants to do anything to win the race to free his mother, the very touching farewell scene, the discovery and exploration of Tatooine with Watto, incredible new peoples, the dugs, the toydarians, the dugs, extraordinary new cult locations, the Gungans' aquatic city, the Senate of Coruscant, Naboo and Coruscant are superb and incredible planets in the Star Wars universe, the richness, creativity and diversity invaluable, exciting and unrivalled, a greater sense of exploring and travelling in a much richer universe, concrete, fleshed-out and exciting, a truly great opening onto the world with stratospheric world building, expansion and exploration 🔥😍💥🥰🤗 the stratospheric and extraordinary world building, the contribution to Star Wars Lore, the Jedi Order, the Sith, the Padawan, Anakin Skywalker, the chosen one destined to bring balance back to the Force 🤗🔥🥳❤️😍 Darth Maul excellent iconic villain, the magnificent Duel of the Fates music, the battle of Naboo, the fight against Darth Maul, the space battle with Anakin and the ground battles with the gungans to protect the palace of Naboo 🥳🔥❤️ as well as the superb cast of talented actors who perfectly embodied the iconic Star Wars characters, perfect and all iconic on their characters, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Liam Neeson, Ian McDiarmid 🥳🔥🤗❤️ everything is superb and extraordinary in this exceptional and cult movie that introduces the Star Wars saga, the best saga of all time 😍🥰💥
Star Wars episode II Attack of the Clones is one of the best movies in the Star Wars saga, a superb great exciting and amazing movie that is extremely rich and exciting, a brilliant movie that is so underestimated even though it is insanely rich and creative, exploiting the Star Wars universe, all the infinite possibilities of this magnificent universe, the attacks on Senator Amidala, the bounty hunters, the magnificent atmosphere with Coruscant 💥🥳🥰 the speeder chase over Coruscant with Zam the bounty hunter, many epic scenes of great staging 💖🤗 Obi-Wan's investigation that leads him to Kamino, the discovery of the clone army to underpin Palpatine's plan, the music during the clone troopers 🥰🥳💥 the cyberpunk atmosphere of Coruscant with the night club, Dex's diner 🥰🥳🤗 the superb Across the Stars music for the doomed love destined to end badly 💖😍🥰 Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Christopher Lee, all perfect, cult and iconic on their characters, giving them strength, poise, charm, charisma, strong screen presence and complexity, we can't imagine anyone else embodying these extraordinary characters from Star Wars and film history 🤗🥳🥰 the Republic's great clone army, the clone troopers 🥳😍🔥🤗💥💖 Naboo is an extraordinary planet, one of the best planets in the saga along with Coruscant 😍💖💥🔥 the romantic, detective story mixed with action and adventure, making this one of the most complete films in the entire saga 💖😍💥 everything is exciting 🔥🥳 the fight against Jango Fett, the seismic charges in the asteroid field 😍💖💥🔥🥳 Jango Fett, Count Dooku 💥🔥🥳🤗 the introduction of the separatists, the conflicts on both sides, the beginnings of the war, the best, most exciting and important period of the entire Star Wars saga, THE CLONE WARS, political tensions 🔥🥳🤗 Anakin's first steps towards the dark side of the Force, the death of Shmi Skywalker, an important step in the character's evolution 🥳🔥💥🤗 the massacre of the Tuskens village that leads him to the dark side, the fear of losing Padmé as he lost his mother 💥🔥🤗🥳 the incredible world building, stratospheric, extraordinary expansion, greater openness to the world, unparalleled, technological advancement to create new worlds, new world building, new peoples 💥🔥🤗🥳😍🥰 Anakin's return to his home planet 🥳🤗 Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker, Padmé Amidala and Mace Windu are incredible, iconic and perfect characters 😍🥰 the Battle of Geonosis, the battles in the arena, Padmé and Mace Windu so strong and badass, the Jedi, Yoda who arrives at the last moment to save everyone 🤗🥳🔥😍🥰 the pursuit and confrontation with Count Dooku 🥳🤗💥🔥 the secret wedding on Naboo 💖💥🤗 everything is superb and exciting 😍🔥💥🤗
Yoda is strong and badass, he kicks ass, he saves heroes, Padmé is incredible, so awesome, strong, badass, brave and beautiful, funny and elegant, she exudes more femininity, she's funny, engaging, with more class, still beautiful, while being a true badass and brave woman defending her freedom, the story of Anakin Skywalker is one of the most beautiful stories of all time, a magnificent tragic story, the lore is extraordinary, extremely rich, detailed and extensive, the Jedi order, the Clone Wars, the Sith, political evolution, the Republic, Palpatine's manipulations to bring down the Republic and annihilate the Jedi 🤗💥🥳 everything is fascinating in the Star Wars prequel, which is the best Star Wars trilogy, the richest, the most complete, the most exciting and the most full of Lore, diversity, background, development, world-building and content 😍🔥💥
And Star Wars episode III Revenge of the Sith is the best movie in the entire Star Wars saga, the story and direction are perfect from start to finish, from the space battle over Coruscant to the final shot of the Tatooine sunset, not forgetting the fight against General Grievous, the galactic opera scene, Order 66, so many superb and incredible cult scenes, so extraordinary, Anakin entering the Temple to kill the Jedi and Padawan, the Battle of the Heroes music, Anakin's Betrayal, the duel at the top of the Senate between Yoda and Darth Sidious, Darth Sidious launching the pods at Yoda, the most powerful of the light side against the most powerful of the dark side, the battle on Mustafar between Obi-Wan and Anakin, the end of a friendship, a great and beautiful friendship, Anakin having his legs cut off, being burned, the fall of the Jedi order, the creation of the Galactic Empire, Padmé's death set against the birth of Luke and Leïa, the creation of Darth Vader, the fitting of the helmet, so epic, magnificent, exceptional, incredible world building, visual beauty, unrivalled creativity, great diversity of environments, planets, Naboo, Coruscant, Utapau, Mustafar, Felucia, tension, drama, emotional stakes, Obi-Wan bringing back the twins, the actors are still perfect, so emblematic, these are still the best characters in the Star Wars saga, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Padmé, Mace Windu, Yoda, Palpatine, and the tragic story, the great Shakespearean tragedy of Anakin Skywalker, his tipping over to the dark side of the Force, his fear of losing Padmé, his doubts about his responsibilities, the creation of the Galactic Empire, the extinction of the Jedi order, visual storytelling everywhere, a masterpiece 😍💥🤗 one of the best movies of all time, perhaps even the best 🥳💥✨🥰🤩🤗🔥💖💥
@@JohnDoe-gc9dy
All the first 6 episodes of the Star Wars saga are MASTERPIECES, they're the GREATEST MOVIES OF ALL TIME, everything is cult and amazing, the Star Wars universe is the best, most expanded universe, with unrivalled richness and creativity with infinite possibilities, magnificent expansion as well as the best characters ever, the prequels in particular are of superb, limitless extended creativity that has contributed so much to the original trilogy and the Star Wars lore, a real feeling of traveling and exploring a superb universe, open to the world, with greater world building, more peoples, environments, planets, more concrete and fleshed-out stories and the best characters in the saga, a great amazing trilogy that marked its generation just like the original trilogy did in its day😍💓, and I don't care if the haters think otherwise !
The color grading matching up 100% alone proves that it isn't a new scan- The "modern" color grade it got in 2010 wouldn't even be done in the same way that a 2024 regrade would - and they would have differences - Oh wow, you say this later in the video, you are the first person other than me who I have seen say this.
Thank you for this objective analysis.
Thanks for your kind feedback
God bless you for this in depth review. This is awesome. Gonna watch your titanic and other Cameron reviews.
Incredible work. So glad I found this channel just as I got myself a Ub420 for my projector! Starting a 4k collection but I already have many many blurays
Just looks like a game now. The removal of grain isn't the biggest problem, the problem is that it just doesn't look natural.
Yes one closeup of the woman's face (4:26, I don't know the film at all) had the typical extreme angular artifacts I know from UA-cam videos, where they upscale video material of the 1920s... - very unastethic.
LMAO. You guys need to get your eyes checked
Any productive content you want to add?@@LukeLovesRose
@@LukeLovesRose Interesting argument.
I wouldn't say it looks like a game at all. Is it perfect? No! However, the clothes, backgrounds, etc, are very rich in detail. The removal of film grain was a terrible idea. You can still keep film grain and enhance the movie. It has been shown time and time again with other releases. The Fugitive is a great example of how to restore film. The main issue is waxy skin tones and flesh detail. It's not as bad as T2. Sometimes, it comes down to what makeup was used at the time. Other movies will have greater detail like skin pores, scars, blackheads, etc however the movies that do show that level of detail you'll find that the Actors didn't use makeup. The Matrix is a great example for this as the detail on Laurence Fishburne's skin is highly detailed and he has openly stated numerous times that he refused to use makeup. There are many factors involved and Sometimes it's Just down to a poor transfer or the material that they used in the first place. A lot of people just state DNR all the time when they don't actually understand what they're trying to say. At the end of the day make your own mind up. For me I'm happy with it for now as it's a better watch than the excellent quadrilogy Blu Ray release. True Lies is probably the worst of the three releases, but True Lies is also the best it has looked as we only had DVD before. The unofficial blu ray release doesn't count, and that was also terrible. Sold it straight away. If you like it, then it's fine, if you don't like it, then that is also fine. It's your preference and your opinion that counts. If you have read all of this, then thank you, and sorry for wasting your time.
Is this video read aloud by an A.I. voice? 🤔
Yes.
Yeah Jay is French, I think he's not confident enough to do the voice over himself in English ahah
woa ! impressive ! AI is scary .
There's 35mm scans of both Aliens and True Lies floating around certain private torrent trackers, a few are that are faded, and the other's have had their color tweaked to (I believe) match the film's original production stills. I've seen both. These 4K blu rays are objectively the worst examples of digital tampering I've personally ever seen. Nothing about the glorious prints shown in theatres have been represented in the UHD transfer. The skin tones are unnaturally saturated, and the DNR so intense in some parts it makes the actors resemble CGI or AI generated human beings. Not exaggerating.
If you happen to love these movies the way they were in their original presentations; show your credit card some mercy and don't buy these discs. James Cameron has the best industry technology at finger tips and more than sufficient funds. In my opinion, The UHD format should be utilized to it's highest potential; that being theatrical preservation.
I think if Cameron despises celluloid THAT much, then fine, he has a right to tinker with his work all he likes, but not to the disdain of the consumer... The fans, the public... the people who made him filthy rich. I vouch for an alternative pressing as a bonus disc. Of course, that won't happen.
Hyperbole much? This isn't perfect but the movie looks great on 4k.
@@Jumpman67No the movies looks not great, they have artefacts, waxy faces and the wrong color grading.
Just watched the new AI 4K version of Aliens and it looks fabulous. Apart from the scene of the launch ship looking more fake as it soars through the atmosphere, both coming and going (I think because these original shots were done with a low resolution model and were shot very dark originally), the rest of the movie has a new clarity that is OUTSTANDING. Many parts of the old versions were both too dark, blurry, and grainy and it was almost impossible to see all the details of many of the background sets, especially in the scenes in the Aliens' lair and in the cramped corridors during the lights out fight sequences.
Some people still love vinyl records and vaccum tube amplifiers - those people can only be described as deluded luddites.
I always hated vinyl records for their skips and pops. I LOVE this new AI 4K version of Aliens.
@@Jumpman67 If you're a casual viewer, then you're not really part of the discussion.
James Cameron, George Lucas, Peter Jackson are a lost cause. My definite version of Star wars trilogy now is 4k77 and other fan made versions, James Cameron I go to either the blurays or 35mm scans and for Jackson Extended Boxset is the best version and fan made color correction for the fellowship. I'm not touching their 4k ever even for free.
It's fantastic that they did an anime version of ALIENS. It's just puzzling that they did not advertise it as such.
Transfer 8/10. Could be sharper. Too much grain taken out which reduces some sharpness and detail.
I've always thought Aliens looked far too grainy compared to Alien. I must be in the minority here, but I love this new release. In my opinion the slight loss of grain is a good thing. This film has never looked better.
I agree. Dont know why people love grain so much. On Aliens it was really intrusive. It was filmed on poor stock film, even Cameron moaned about it at the time! The grain is still in this version, its just not like a swarm of bees on the camera in every scene and you can now see more detail on everything. And it all matches, and it does not look like its been filmed at the bottom of the sea, with a camera lens covered in grease. At some point I am sure another version will come along as well...people are lucky to just have this available and the choice...
Cool video. Am waiting for next video ❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊
Abyss coming soon and this one will be… huge
So glad I got this. I love it!
@LE LABO DE JAY Regarding the Dolby Atmos track: Do you accept that the mix stays true to the 70mm Blow-up mix (the Dolby Digital 4.1 [according to rewind's (dvdcompare) review of the Alien Anthology BD states that the mix is a recreation of the 70mm Mix), or do think it is a remix?
Why not include the 4.1?
A great shame it seems its not a new scan from the original negative 😢. Thanks for such an in depth technical analysis. I've ordered it anyway and hope I can enjoy it as it's absolutely one of my all time favourites 👍
Just finished watching it on the 4K physical release. I watched it on my 86 inch 4K Samsung Crystal class. I can tell they used DNR since there is no grain.
But I'm thankful that it's not a waxy or porcelain looking image that I was afraid it was going to be. The worst example of course was Terminator 2, and true lies. Which brought back nightmares from The predator Blu-ray Hunter edition. Despite the noticeable lack of grain and Aliens I still think it is stunning to look at on 4K. Of course I'm still keeping my Blu-ray box set whenever I feel nostalgic.
There's nothing wrong with film grain but I have the Blu-ray from the anthology set. Great analysis.
I can't wait to buy this Blu-ray 4K
You earned my sub
The problem is it's not native 4k. The Abyss is native 4k. Aliens and True Lies 2k source. Looks like that anyway because The Abyss looks amazing
All James Cameron films have been restored in 4K by Lowry Digital and Reliance Mediaworks. Reliance Mediaworks once confirmed this in a Variety article. Nevertheless, they could have gone back to the 4K raw scans.
These new 4K edits have so many problems, in Abyss the colour grading is now significantly worse compared to the unreleased SDR grade.
Aliens had a 4K scan when it was released on Bluray. Alien3 and Alien Resurrection only got a 2K scan.
@@ghostviggen Alien and Alien Resurrection used the HD masters that were made for the Alien Quadrilogy DVD box set.
Just because an Ai upscale was used doesn't mean the source wasn't 4k. It was, most later Blu-Rays were derived from 4k scans.
You can use Ai upscalers without actually changing resolution. The result is a lot like downsampling an 8k scan to 4k, so you get better detail at the same res.
It's a great technique, I use it all the time (especially on bad 4k releases) but it has it's limitations.
Mainly that AI can't handle film grain, it mistakes it for noise and wipes it out. The result is far better than previous grain reduction techniques as it recreates the missing detail but it's not perfect so you have to add artificial grain on top which is what happened here.
Hopefully there'll soon be ways to separate the grain layer from the clean image then add it back on after the upscale.
But until then this technique really shouldn't be used on film scans, you lose more than you gain imo.
Unless the intent is to remove grain in which case I'd far prefer the use of AI over previous methods, with those this could've easily ended up a T2 level disaster.
There are issues with this new UHD for sure but I still think I prefer it over the old blu ray. It's just too bad this couldn't have really gotten a stellar UHD
I watched the abyss 4k. Looks a lot better. That's definitely native 4k with new scan. Can tell
Not that sure… it’s complicated
Both Aliens and Abyss has a 4K scan. It’s just that Abyss has a newer 4K scan.
Grain doesn’t give sharpness but it does give details which is why they were obviously removed and added back on digitally hence the waxy mess we got😂
Film grain isn’t smoke or dust or rain that blocks an images ability to look sharp 😂 what even are you saying?
Excellent video, thank you.
Ouch... Was the 2010 a 4k scan?
As i can remember at that times they specified it was a 2k scan
Alien and Aliens were 4K scans done by Lowry Digital with an Imagica scanner.
@@yusuk364 They advertised it as 4K scans or 4K restorations done by Lowry Digital.
Decades ago, lot of people wanted to remove that film grain, now want to keep that grain! XP
Decades ago we had 240 lines pan and scan crappy images
Now we have 4k dolby vision and dolby atmos at home and people still crying
@@LELABODEJAY im eye to eye with you! Great channel btw! Thank U!
This just feels like a cash grab.
Especially compared to the Alien 4k disc which is superb, I wish Aliens would have gotten the same high quality treatment.
Anyone have drop out issues with the audio ? Thank you.
Have not heard about any issues
Yup buying it, I love how much sharper and more detailed it looks.
Indeed !
A superb analysis.
Thank you.
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Great analysis! Thanks
People either seem to forget, or they don´t know that smoke and grain were (also) used to hide practical effects and miniatures to make them look realistic. No director wanted their movies to look like s hit and grain sucks. Technology allows them to improve their movies without changing their overall qualitiy, so what´s the problem here ?
If this is the same transfer as the 1080P version they did a miraculous job. Despite Aliens being enhanced I can still see grain. Now if they scanned from the original negative I still don't think it would look better than this UHD version. Aliens would look a lot like Predator and the original Alien. Movies that were shot more than thirty years ago. I really like this Aliens upgrade. I guess I'm a sucker for detail over a more organic look.
Predator should be more grainy if you look how they filmed and edited it.
Yea it's not graded to 4000 nits like mad.max fury road it's a sub par transfer.. people got mad about ai upscaling when they should of gone avatar 3 mode on it and put out a 4k 120hz super ai 4000 nit version.
The LFE channel seemed to be almost completely absent for this transfer, the older blu rays have more punch on the low end
Did you compare disc or digital?
@@ghostviggen
I tried different physical media formats, dvd, blu ray and 4k. I tested the dvd and blu rays from different release years. I tested the streaming versions as well.
It seems the Dolby Atmos physical media format version is really tame on low end performance. This is common with the Disney Buena Vista transfers, just look at all the recent MCU titles done by Disney, low end performance is really bad.
How do we know the 2010 Aliens scan wasn't done in 4K and, unlike re-scanned Alien movie, reused for 4K release?
It’s was scanned in 4K for Blu-ray.
Thank you. I heard quite a few years ago that Cameron deliberately chose a grade of film stock designed for underwater photography.
I don’t know if this is true but it could explain a few things beyond the lenses used.
...now waiting for the PROPER rescan of the original negative in 8K 😂😂😂
That will never happen
@@LELABODEJAY 😆 But aren't the Avatars more important? They are LONGER 😂😂😂😂
3:24 “…but remember that grain has never given sharpness.”
Not only is this factually incorrect, but it speaks volumes of your lack of knowledge of not just film restoration, but film production in general. Film grain isn’t dust or dirt that gradually finds its way onto celluloid as it ages, it’s the visible silver crystals in the negative’s emulsion, in which the halides change into pure metallic silver when it’s exposed to light, which is how an image is captured on all forms of film, whether on celluloid or digital. In short, the grain is an integral part of the film’s image, and removing it only removes detail from the image, hence why the Aliens and True Lies 4K transfers look like total dog crap.
That was true years ago when removing grain was an issue. But not from a while. I ve been removing grain on number of shots from negative or digital without loosing any detail.
Lots of movie use de grain process without looking like this. The problem is more complex than just grain removal
But I should use the word reduce instead of remove
OK, now I have a better idea of what is happening here without having seen the 4K yet, but you are more on the money than most criticizing the 4K disc. This is a horror film after all, so expecting clarity and fidelity is laughable. The point about the Canon lenses is 100% correct, with all due respect to the company, who makes some of the best cameras and lenses (even Super 8 movie cameras) around and both Biddle and Cameron knew what they were doing when they chose that lens and the like. Biddle is highly underrated. Now that I believe you have confirmed it is the same high def digital master files for the earlier Blu-ray, note that Cameron and company redid the whole film frame by frame because the two film stocks from Kodak, 5494 and 5295 were early attempts by the company to crate low fading color film after Martin Scorsese's successful lawsuit about color fading on ALL color films against them and in effect, even other color film producers in the world like Agfa and Fuji. However, those two 35mm color negatives had issues with fading, especially 5494, so it helped him to get some cheap film to keep costs down (hey only had over $18 Million when Lucas spent something like $100 Million each on the two STAR WARS sequels a few years before) and Kodak sold the film to him cheaply as they mutually knew about its visual and archival limits. That is why he did what he did in 2010 and it makes sense that he went back to those digital remastering because the negative was already in bad shape then. No way they were in good shape then and it is too horrific to think what condition they are in now. That also means the only version of the film, and the theatrical only at that, that represents the true original look of the film are the surviving 70mm blow-up prints STILL being screened worldwide. With all that, until I see the 4K in full Dolby Atmos/Vision mode from beginning to end, I can now see that in this case, Cameron's further saved the film and both the new sharpness, color range and vividness I have seen sampled are not only an attempt to make it look great, it is to make it look as good as it ever did in the 70mm blow-up prints. I'll deal with flaws and limits later, but the new included Blu-ray is just the updated 4K downscaled and as far as I can see, nothing looks upscaled from there 2010 redo master, but we'll see. Thanks for the excellent video, one fit best of many posted since this 4K arrived. Very happy to see so many fans who love this remarkable film, no matter what their take is on the new 4K.
Awesome informations
Where did you got that ?
The budget of Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi was not 100 million dollars but about 30 million dollars each.
I have never read about problems with fading in the film stock of Aliens, James Cameron stated in 2010 that the problem with the film stock was the extreme graininess.
What James Cameron did here has nothing to do with a professional restoration, it's just revisionism. The color grading alone has little to do with the look of the time. Cameron should have used answer prints and 70 mm blow-up prints as a grading reference back in 2010. Apart from that, incorrect color grading and the use of AI tools are a general problem that affects not only Aliens, but also The Abyss, True Lies and Titanic. T2 also has problems with incorrect color grading. Cameron wants to adapt his old films to the modern smooth digital look of his Avatar films.
@@GhostRider-sp4uc I was talking adjusted on the STAR WARS sequels and Lucas himself said EMPIRE went 4 times over budget so $30 Million CANNOT be accurate in any way and I doubt JEDI was only $30 Million either. That is closer to what STAR WARS 1977 costs.. We can always look up- the specifics if need be. Grain might have been an issue, but they are both stocks known for fading and other issues, which is why he got them so cheap and the one was quickly discontinued. Don't know about TITANIC specifically, but T2 needs a new transfer and not the 3D one it used, while THE ABYSS and TRUE LIES have other issues I will get into some other time. Restoration matters and is relevant and I cannot disagree that revisionism has some degree of validity, though it does not effect the storyline, script or performances. I'll come up with more, especially when I FINALLY get that set and at least two UA-cam videos that show the actual 70mm blow-up prints are posted. You can get a look at the film there and see how it really looks at its best. Like the multi-version BLADE RUNNER Blu-ray, a scan of a 70mm blow-up would be a plus in a. future 4K release. Thanks for the feedback!
Biggest question remains, which version do you ultimately prefer?
Honestly, I don't know. The old H264 8 bits with out of focus shots or this one enhanced and strange... Still prefer the old one even if image looks not great at all. But my advice, is not the point. Just give you the infos so you could decide. There are enough UA-camrs giving their advices
Ahh yes, the ole dnr
I agree with what you said. The movies director decides how he wants his movie to look. We don’t tell an artist what or how to paint. Why should we tell the director how to make his movie or have it played? We either like it or we don’t. If you don’t like it don’t buy it.
When you do buy it you can view it however you wish.
Argument against that: the director decided what the film should look like in 1989 (or whenever) when Aliens originally came out. Sure, he can change his mind and decide it should look another way, but he shouldn't be allowed to say "the old version no longer exists". The "old" Aliens film still "exists" out there (granted, it may not be scanned/colour corrected, etc., but in some sense still exists) but all we can look at in any kind of high quality is this "new" version.
This is everything I feared it would be.
My all-time favourite film and they squandered the opportunity to create the ultimate version on a pointless cash-grab. What's the point? What an utter waste.
PS. I miss your voice, you should narrate the English-language releases again!
Thanks a lot. Too hard, too much work and pain for me with English language to obtain a decent result. These video take me a lot of time already
@@LELABODEJAY I understand, they are incredibly comprehensive, the best of this type around, in my opinion. Thank you anyway, we appreciate your hard work.
I bet I could do my own AI upscale of the 2010 Blu Ray and trick people into thinking it's the official 4K remaster.
No but they used the same scan as blu ray.
he did the same with titanic… same scan…
I know there is the video on my channel 😏
damn i didn‘t realize… cause i wasnt following you on youtube… until just now…
pretty damn lazy to use a 14 year old scan… mind officially blown…🤯
@@gregorpfueller6659 no problem welcome to the channel
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Grain is important and these characters look like Casey as in plastic than human beings
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There's grain on Aliens 4K, I see it easily on my display, and it looks great. There's no plastic waxy faces this time.
It looks absolutely horrendous.
No .
@@natalieportmanfan1817 Disturbing comment.
I absolutely love the new HDR UltraHD Bluray of Aliens.
This a ai robot talking? Sounds like it.
Yes, I am French, and it’s too complicated and time consuming for me to record in English correctly on such technical topics
That’s why skynet is talking to you
Ok. So they used 2k source for this 4k? Bluray 2k source
@@ps5andstuffhere probalbly 2k and the master was done before HDR showed up so maybe scanned on older machine wich can’t deliver enough dynamic range
Or maybe not enough information on negative or negative damaged wich will be the more obvious reason
So they could not rescan lately
So many possibilities
They probably just used same 2k source they used for most recent US bluray. This would explain the look of the 4k. It looks good but could have been better if they actually did a 4k scan of the negative or interpositive. Maybe too much grain? It was very grainy film. Cameron said they used cameras that were very grainy
superb 100% agree it is crisp and detailed and better than the blu-ray the HDR and DV and atmos is great
I love how the 4K looks. Spectacular imho.
Yeah, they should do this to all movies that were shot on film. Digital cameras are just so much better. And then they should make them 60 fps and 3D and colour (if they were originally black & white). And give them happy endings.
@AardvarkDK I'd be OK with this type of tech being used for catalog titles as long as they still maintain all the detail, no waxiness like old-school DNR does and still have a light layer of grain so that it still looks filmic. HFR, however, does not look filmic so that would be a no from me.
@@2Timothy2.15 I'm just kidding. I wouldn't be caught dead watching movies from the previous century that aren't even 3D.
@@AardvarkDK No, digital cameras are NOT so much better and you are overgeneralizing.
I was nine when I went to see Terminator 2 in theaters on opening day. I can safely say that I've burnt out all of my VHS copies of aliens and Terminator 2 over the years
All three transfers look great. It’s the best way to view them compared to the off color blu ray.
What a désappointement.....
I miss your dulcet tones man, I appreciate this is more paletable for larger audiences, but I never minded the old style
thanks a lot, so much hard to record in English ans to much time consuming for such bad results
A real shame, i'll give this release a miss.
Out of interest, which version will you be watching instead?
4k UHD version of Aliens is undoubtedly better, looks sharper nicer and more realistic.
"Fu#k the purists ! HD Digital is the way to go!" - William Friedkin. And he was right. There´s no more old school than Friedkin, so who else knows better ? Personally, I thing these 4k´s look great. RIP Billy.
Why is this video being narrated by an AU voice?
Hello. Because I am French. The original video is in French. I make these versions for sharing but speaking and recording English is so complex and time consuming for a so bad result I gave up and use this method. I don’t like it but it’s way much easier as I spent so much time and effort on these free videos
Regards
grain is shit, but removing it can cause issues.
so do not blame denoisers, blame the aggressive use of it.
and hopefully in the future grain is removed in the future and we can add it later for those who like it. a post process effect.
the move had bigger issues than grain to complain about.
Grain is good. It's where all the detail is in analog film - literally part of the image itself.
@@maulcs it is only a part of the limitation of the camera, and often is it made worse for some effect or added in post or enhanced.
the is generally speaking, for old cameras we have to allow for some excuses for that time having so shitty hardware.
@@sudd3660 With analog film, the grain IS the image. It's how film is captured - by metallic particles in the film stock that are exposed to photons. 35mm film has the equivalent of around 5k resolution when digitally scanned, and 65mm is around 8-12k, so no, it's not "shitty hardware". It's ignorance about this issue that causes these misconceptions.
@@maulcs
Film grain is for purists.
@@natalieportmanfan1817 Film grain is for people who have even the slightest clue of what film is, with even an ounce of respect for the actual image. It doesn't take much to not want a wax-sculpted DNR mess, or an unnatural AI monstrosity like these recent Cameron releases.
4k version wins
I think it looks fantastic i dont get why anybody likes film grain
Clown
It's Because It Shows How Old The Film Is And It's Much Nicer To Look At Than Anything Else These Days
@jbtgrlinux226 Removing grain from a source that was filmed with it is, simply put, a strange practice. Reproducing the source material as close as possible is what DVD/Blu-ray and 4K producers have as their goal. If you decide to remove grain, you have no respect for the film. If a director does it, you can be sure that it's because of the processes needed, like in this case, to upscale the material and sharpen in. That would make the grain a lot more apparent. Still, if you can't look at film that retains its grain, the problem is with you, not the material. Just get used to it.
Because film grain is part of the image, it's part of what makes movies shot on film look the way they do. It's not the grain people love, it's what the grain represents.
Grainless films looks like video. Video rarely looks as esthetic pleasing as film.
Get a life.
No, don't. You're doing a great service for us physical media collectors.
Great analysis, but the first DVD of Aliens was released in 1999, not 2004.
Thanks a lot sorry for this error