Justin Peters on Steven Furtick: My Response
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Justin Peters says that Steven Furtick was wrong to say that Jesus couldn't do miracles in Nazareth because of their unbelief. In this video I offer a biblical response.
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I think JP’s built his ‘faith’ on a reaction to the tragic cases of ignorance, and unbelief among the glorious cases of faith in the Gospel of Jesus . Jesus loved each thief on either side of him as he hung on the cross, but only one entrusted himself to him.
Justin is overlaying his cessationist doctrine on the Scriptures!
Once you know the truth, it's easy to find JP's lies. Thank God I'm not blind.
@@chrish1993 Amen!!
I'm praying that the Lord help JP with his own unbelief.
I am not a calvinist or cessationist but JP is correct on this one. The context of "could not heal" is not the same as "incapable of healing". God is capable of healing but limits his healing according to his good will which I am sure factors in faith, belief vs unbelief, mercy, to show others his power, etc - there are probably other factors beyond our comprehension.
These verses are a real problem for Justin - 'For she said, “If only I may touch His clothes, I shall be made well.” (Mark 5:28, NKJV) And He said to her, “Daughter, YOUR FAITH has made you well. Go in peace, and be healed of your affliction.” (Mark 5:34, NKJV)
When Justin says even our faith is from Him, he's getting into calvinism - when he says 'our' he means the elect, elected before birth for salvation, and the ones not elected can never believe. And of course according to calvinism you can't even have that faith unless you are regenerated by 'irresistible' grace (you have no choice), which comes to you because you were elected not because you believe. Now that's not what they bible says, 'In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, (Ephesians 1:13, NASB), but calvinism isn't biblical.
Thanks!Absolutely brilliant Rod.
My thoughts exactly.
Justin is just trying to make the Calvinist doctrine of Divine Sovereignty fit the Bible. The problem is the reality of the testimony of the whole of Scripture contradicts him.
Without faith it is impossible to please God for those that come to Him must believe that he is and is the rewarder of those that diligently seek Him
Where does that leave Justin?
Still praying for him.
I'm still not WOF but your ability to cut through delusions in theology always encourages.
Thanks Rod.😁
Thanks for the support John. And I'm not out to convert you, but if that happens I guess I can live with that. 😊
Jesus also had compassion on people. I'm always reminded of the widow who's son had died. She wasn't broke because there was a procession... she was not without friends... because she wasn't without enough friends to grieve with her... BUT it was a sad thing none the less and Jesus proactively intervened out of mercy and compassion, raising her son from the dead. It is NOT always someone's faith that motivates God/Jesus... BUT... doubt and lack of faith can be a problem. Jesus asked the man if he 'believed' and he replied, "yes, I believe, but.. help my unbelief"... they can co-exist. Jesus did not criticize the man's lack of faith but maximized the faith he professed. He helped his 'unbelief' and met him where he was. Jesus healed his son, casting out the foul spirit that had attacked him. It can not be doubted that the man became a "believer". Even faith the size of a mustard seed has merit in the Kingdom of God.
12:45 The Calvinist, Justin Peters, wrongly assumes that all men are 'born' without faith... and it is only given to a few people God has chosen before anyone was ever born. THAT IS UNSUPPORTED IN SCRIPTURE. Faith is simply the ability to believe. All men have that ability ....faith... And it can be a motivating power which can accomplish many great things.reconciliation
@user-tu1hm9yn4m Is there something WRONG with your keyboard?🤔 Incidentally, quoting scripture out of context proves nothing. I'm curious, where is that verse which establishes all men are "born" unable to respond positively to God or believe in the Gospel of Christ?
Good analysis. JP doesn’t get that Jesus operates under a PROTOCOL, where people’s Faith vs Unbelief plays a huge part in whether God will act on their situation to their benefit.
It’s nothing to do with God not having the ability.
As always great job letting the word answer for itself. Bill
Well done! You provide such clarity when you point out that this issue is not a matter of God's power, but of his character; and that there is a dramatic difference between ignorance and unbelief. Also, it is only Justin's dogma that prevents him from seeing the obvious link between "he did not" because "he could not." Good work, and, please continue to begin and end your videos with such beautiful music.
THANK FOR EXPOSING SOME WRONG TEACHINGS OF JP. JP DOES NOT SEEM TO HAVE ANY JOY. WHERE IN YOU I SEE THE JOY OF THE LORD. KEEP DOING WHAT YOUR DOING WE NEED THE WISDOM YOU SHARE. BE BLESSED
Rod...this is one of your best and thanks for catching some of JPs stuff. Looking for JP to get something right but I'm hard pressed to find anything from Calvinism to Clouds Without Water to Cessationist Conference to his "apologetic" videos one You Tube....nope...still looking....thanks again and keep up this good work!
Justin: "Whatever God's will was....Jesus did"
God: "I'll send them my Son, the Bible, The Church, The gifts of the Spirit, The fruit of the Spirit, Prayer, Faith, Teachers, Preachers, Prophets, Apostles, My Spirit....surely they'll know what my will is then.
Some people: "Can't figure it out God."
God's will to heal is not about His power. It's about His love and Goodness.
Where healing is concerned we know full well what God's will is. Justin's problems is that he believes if it's God's will then it will necessarily and automatically come to pass. Because he rejects that we have to cooperate with God.
Another case of Prov 18:17 "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him."
Justin makes his confidently-stated and seemingly correct assertion - then Rod corrects him.
I think you threw that last clip in there for humor but I am glad to see at least one thing you and Ole JP can agree on! And I'm with you on that! I think being forced to watch 12 straight hours of the View would have to violate some sort of Geneva Convention law against torture! Lol 😂
1 hr of the view or waterboarding - tough call.
Hi Brother Rod - Amen to this subject. Clearly explaining this matter by rightly dividing the word of Truth. ✅
God has given to every man a measure of faith. Nice verse.
The KJV says THE measure of faith. "THE" implies that there is a set measure that every one gets. This agrees with God's character of not being a respecter of persons.
@@kiimbel1877. THANK YOU!!!!! These bogus “Roman Catholic garbage translations are the downfall of the church!!! No wonder we’re in the sad shape we’re in!!!!
@@kiimbel1877 And faith grows as we hear messages about Jesus, or, read the Word of God. Romans 10:17.
@@sandragambrel9721 No argument there. U r ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!!!
All 10 lepers showed faith. You don't go show yourself to the priest as a leper unless healed - you would go unless you believed Jesus's words were true. His saying "go" explicitly implies Jesus believed they were healed. The Samaritan is the only one who returned to give thanks. The other 9 were healed also because they acted in faith on Jesus's words.
Absolutely stunning that a man who calls himself a preacher cannot see this.
Great rebuttal!! Rod, you're a BLESSING to the Body of Christ!
I wonder if he realizes he is questioning the ministry and motives of our Lord?
Faith is mentioned over 300 times in the New Testament!
Peter's needs to take a step back he is on shaky ground.
9:35 I find it interesting that Justin admits there were people possessed by demons who could be delivered in Jesus day... would he admit there are people today who can be possessed by demons??? Would he allow they could be delivered today, or has God forsaken them after the Apostle John died on Patmos? Could it be that someone in Corinth was praying in tongues at the moment John passed away and got choked on their own tongue.. the 'gifts' having ceased mid syllable 🤔🤔
Great video. I have been busy doing a small bible study at a church. So I am still around but maybe next year I am thinking of doing a pod cast on the study that I am currently doing. I am doing a study in 1 Corinthians. Great to see your subs accomplishment also.
Good to hear from you again.
LOL. He said it's a lack of will. I thought he was a calvinist.
Great job mate :)
Thanks!
Thanks for the support, Susan.
You're welcome. We Word of Faithers have to do what we can because so many in our camp just ignore the false stuff said about us. @@JewandGreek
God bless!
Not sure the word structure of Romans 12:3 is saying that all humanity has been given faith. Looking at various translations, it appears that Paul was speaking to the audience of his letter. Perhaps a Greek scholar could provide some greater insight...
Yeshua heals someone, he proceeds to say that their faith healed them. If they lack faith they will lack healing.
I am so glad you are doing these videos. Thank you. 👍🏻
Thank you Sir for a great video.. As all ways, love the guitar 😍😍
Amen Rod!
How calvinism, desecrates the character of God.
4:42 How does Justin Peters explain this: Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is NO RESPECTER of persons: But in EVERY nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
- Acts 10:34, 35 (emphasis mine)
If it's not God's will to heal everyone doesn't that automatically make Him a RESPECTER OF PERSONS???!!!!
Are you saying it’s always God’s will to heal on earth? Because if so, if that were the case, we would never die, and as a result, never face judgment, as it says, in Hebrews. To say that it’s always God‘s will to heal every single time is a lie, Because there are many times where God does not always heal. For example, check out the passage of John five at the pool of Bethesda, where it records, that Jesus heals one man out of a multitude. He didn’t heal them all, as far as it was recorded, but it could’ve been possible that he may have healed the rest afterward, but we don’t know, we can only speculate.
It’s also incredibly cruel to say that to someone who is in need of healing, and it never happens. For example, I have cerebral palsy, as well as a diagnosis of autism on the spectrum which I received this past year. I have prayed many many times to be healed and it has not happened at least not yet, whether on this earth, or when I get to the other side. God, being no respect of persons is talking about salvation specifically, it has nothing to do with healing, at least, in the specific sense physically.
I was involved in these kinds of teachings a while back, and thank God I got out of them during the pandemic.
@@SethEngel please explain Isaiah 53:4,5; & 1 Peter 2:24.
@@kiimbel1877 physical healing is in the atonement, no one is denying that, it’s just a matter of when those promises are realized, to say that it’s always, God‘s will to heal now is an over realization.
@@SethEngel Please explain Matt. 13:58.
@@kiimbel1877 that verse is simply Jesus, choosing not to heal, it doesn’t mean that he, being God, was limited himself, because no one can actually limit him in any kind of sense, otherwise he would not be god. He just chose not to heal because of unbelief, refusing to acknowledge who he actually was.
Excellent. Thanks for sharing. You could do a video on the Sovereignty of God and Freewill if you want as I think you would speak, share and teach well on it. God bless you.
I am certainly no calvinist or cessationist but on this topic, Justin Peters is correct in that when Jesus "could not heal", it did not mean Jesus was incapable of healing. God created man to have free will so God will operate and even limit himself on the basis of his respect for man's free will.
As I clarified in the video, when we say that Jesus couldn't we're referring to God's divine character preventing Him from overriding unbelief.
@@JewandGreek I don't want to misrepresent you. So your position is God is capable of healing but because of his character, he cannot heal because of unbelief. JP's position is that people will be healed according to God's will which is the clear correct position. Even today, people use "can't" when they actually mean "won't" or "should not so I won't". Also, while in the past you have correctly pointed out issues with JP's calvinism and cessationism, this particular beef you have with JP sounds a little petty and counter productive to the body.
@@robertemard9452 Well I would say that JP is being counter productive by taking issue with Furtick for saying what the Bible says. "Now *He could do no mighty work* there, except that He laid His hands on a few sick people and healed them." (Mark 6:5)
@@JewandGreek Perhaps you are correct that JP is also counter productive for doing that. Regarding Mark 6:5 that you referenced, consider my analogy below:
"I couldn't give him $100" because I know that he would buy drugs with it. Technically I could but I shouldn't and I wouldn't. You can call that as not being in my character to give the $100 but it is also correct and more correct to say that I simply chose not to because of the reasons I provided. That is the context of the use of can't in the verses that say Jesus could not heal.
The trouble with the character trait argument for God can't is God most certainly can, and you didn't address some of the more difficult arguents that JP provided such as some with demon afflictions were also healed. You see we do not understand why God heals some and not others. Maybe he doesn't heal because of unbelief as stated in some verses. Maybe he heals for unbelief as in the case of those who were demon possessed. Or maybe he doesn't heal for reasons other than non-belief as in the case with Paul and his thorn in the flesh. It is best to simply say that God can always heal but doesn't always heal based on his will and choice.
JP is right on this and I would venture to say that most Christians believe that God always can but doesn't always.
@@robertemard9452 You're using a rescue device to salvage (presumably) your theology. It does no more harm to the omnipotence of God to say that Jesus couldn't do miracles in Nazareth because of their unbelief than it does to say that God can't lie. And I did address the demoniacs, and the lepers, and the multitudes, and the cripple at Bethesda. There's a difference between ignorance and unbelief.
Mike drop 😂
Justin painted himself into a corner,attempting to force another Gosple .
Justin needs to consider the fallacies of his teaching,before leaping into a Calvinest rant with out realizing the truth will expose his dogma.
I honestly wonder if JP would agree that it is God's will for Justin Peters to act and speak in ignorance and go to hell.
I bet he'll never agree to that, though.
Justin Peter's worships McArthur not Jesus.
Your interpretation of Romans 12:3 is incorrect or at least interpreted out of context. The verse is Paul speaking to Christians and these Christians would all have faith but not each at the same level. Paul is not saying what you said "that everyone has the capacity to believe". In the verse, Paul is teaching them to be humble and accept one another regardless of the level of faith.
Excellent job! I personally do not identify as Word of Faith, because to me that term is associated with "name it and claim it" presumption and i using God as a cosmic vending machine. In my nearly 5 decades of experience with the manifestation of the Holy Spirit, I have seen miracles come to pass when God told me and worked within me to bring his power into manifestation. It was always by revelation or inspiration, not my dogged determination. We operate under the authority of Christ: God communicates/works within us and we can do it. In myself, I have no authority over demons, but *in Christ* I have cast them out. God is sovereign, but not in the sense that JP conveys his sovereignty. If JP were truly sola scriptura, he would not be a cessationist. The canon of the scriptures doesn't have a face. Jesus Christ, the Word of God, has a face. And he hasn't come back yet.
And here's another thing that irritates me about Cessationists: They all seem to believe that the only use for Revelation is to set forth doctrine for the Church. How on Earth do they think God guides us if he has to rely upon our own knowledge and understanding of the scriptures? Wouldn't that tend to violate Proverbs 3:5,6? I declare that one must have a spirit of slumber to fall for the complete lack of reasoning, respect for the scriptures, and presumption of Cessationists. I don't care whether one is presuming that God will do a miracle or that he won't. Presumption is wrong. It's arrogant and prideful. God is not a respector of persons. He is a respector of certain conditions, including belief and unbelief. Sometimes his timing is involved as a part of the respect for a person's unbelief, but sometimes it's because a delay in healing is a part of him working all things together for the good of those who love him. How do I know from the Bible? The Lord Jesus passed by the Temple gate called Beautiful many times, but it was Peter and John who got to minister healing to the man in that place and at that time.
Our faith is not a force that makes things happen as much as it is an open door to let God make things happen. That's why we can't condemn or judge people for not receiving miracles. We aren't omniscient, and God can sometimes do greater works in and through us when we are weak and not feeling well. Besides, it's all just a matter of timing for God's people: we shall all experience perfect health in a twinkling of an eye one day. Even Lazarus quit breathing at one point after being raised from the dead. We don't die because we fall to believe to live forever in the flesh. We die because our flesh has sin in it. In its current fallen state, it's not meant to live forever. That's why God had angels preventing Adam and Eve from gaining access to the Tree of Life. Well, that's enough of a ramble. I'm new to your channel, and what I've heard so far sounds solid. I'm a little over halfway through the video. Blessings to you!
I agree with this point, peters is ignoring context and Calvinism is unbiblical, however it is not God’s will to always heal.
He could not do any miracles there, EXCEPT lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them. Mark 6:5
Mark is the oldest gospel and the source for both Mathew and Luke accounts. The difference comes down to the purposes of Mark, Mathew and Luke.(he ignores it). to understand the authority of the texts we need to understand what the author is doing..contrasting them might help
Rod, I don't believe we understand Scripture by comparing scripture with scripture,. (No more than I understand Lewis' Narnia by comparing it with Middle Earth in Tolkien) Rather compare it with what that author says first to understand what they are intending to say... Analogy of scripture is what's used when Scripture appears to have a contradiction. JP is too quick to go to John 5:19 but there is no apparent contradiction in Mathew or Mark..Johns purpose is very different.
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JP is just taking his doctrine and using the scriptures to support what he is believing.. nothing of reading the scriptures and adjusting belief on what the authors are saying.
The lack of belief Nazareth had wasn't lack of faith in his miracles or healing power, but lack of belief in him as Messiah or as prophet. What happened in Nazareth was Mathews illustration of Mathew 13:15 (same chapter)
"For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes THEY HAVE CLOSED, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would HEAL them."
The general principle Mathew 13:12
Whoever has will be given more, and they will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what they have will be taken from them."
All just from chapter 13..this all in the text. Not rocket science
Curry Blake has a great take on that passage
It took faith for the blind man to go wash. He believed Jesus's words.
When Jesus spoke to the man at the pool his words caused faith to come to the man. Romans 10:17.
The man chose to act on the words of Jesus.
Ron is right on spot.
And I myself do not ever watch Furtick. And probably never will.
It must be sad to stay awake at night thinking of whose sermon you are going to criticize next.
Both of you ARE yet in unbelief!
Justin is totally wrong, as usual. Their unbelief caused Jesus not to act on their behalf.
Justin reasons almost like our Church of Christ brethren......lol
Let’s also remember, there’s another reason that one leper came back and gave thanks. The book of Luke tells us he was a Samaritan, so based on Jewish culture, he wouldn’t have been welcome at the temple. He went in faith just like the nine others who obviously were Jews and would have been allowed in the temple. So I agree with you he’s coming back to give. Thanks Does not mean he was the only one in faith. Perhaps he’s the only one that wouldn’t have been welcome at the temple.
Where does the Bible say the leper was a Samaritan? Why the same chapter. Amazing that only one returned to give thanks.
@@jeffc5474 “Is this Samaritan the only one who came back to thank God?””
Luke 17:18 NCV
There are other translations that either call him a stranger, a foreigner, or an outsider. But based on the location, and it’s nearness to Samaria, most scholars would agree with this translation that he was a Samaritan.
@@jeremymays1235 Odds are given the location the foreigner was a Samaritan. Sad that the priests at the time had little to no concern for the stranger passing through their lands.
@gospelchurchworld2429 I don’t see how we can say. This might be true, when every translation of the Bible in verse 18 calls this man, either; and outsider, a stranger, a foreigner, or in the case of the new century version. It plainly says a Samaritan. Given the location where Jesus was near Samaria most Bible scholars agree that this man is a Samaritan. so how is it? We can say this might be true but it’s conjecture. It is right there in the text.
@gospelchurchworld2429 and just for the record it is not eisegesis. When it plainly calls him a stranger, foreigner, outs, or Samaritan, depending on your translation, right there in the text. Go back and study the culture of the Jewish people and religion of the time and you will see that there is no way they would have allowed a Samaritan, or a gentile leper of any kind in to be involved in the purification rituals at all. This was for people who were practicing Judaism only.
Yet he healed a few sick folks.
Steven furticks claim to be Almighty God kinda let's me know The Spirit of God does not dwell in him(steven)-->
He never claimed to be God. That's one of those ridiculous claims made in the "discernment" world.
You should listen back to that message. He didn't claim to be almighty God. He was speaking about God.
@@rickylimbu3668 the words "I am:" God Almighty. Means to say "I am God Almighty:..... don't be deceived.
@@davidcrane6593 did you listen to the whole message??
@@davidcrane6593 He was simply referring back to that quote from earlier in his sermon. Nobody with an IQ of more than room temperature would conclude that Furtick believes that he created the universe.