11:40 - VOLUME WARNING - I don't know why but the sound is way too loud for this clip so remember to lower your volume Something to add: Bioware hasn't said that minor things aren't going to be referenced at all, only that there are three choices of importance that will affect the world (which is still a big bummer). IGN article: www.ign.com/articles/how-dragon-age-the-veilguard-grapples-with-the-series-wildly-expansive-lore-and-your-choices-in-it
It's ok, you probably got frustrated with the news like the rest of us. I personally increased my decibels by at least 30 degrees when I found out about this.
I mean, they could have at least mentioned things that are relevant to the places we will visit. For example, what happened with Dorian? Is he still the voice of the opposition in the Magisterium? Or Fenris and Isabella, who both returned to the north, at least according to Varric (which may be untrue). Is Josephine doing well, does she play a role in the politics of northern Thedas? Also, the Warden, naturally, will we finally learn their fate? Regarding Morrigan, I suspect her having a son and having drunk from the Well of Sorrows is considered canon. I mean, it hits emotionally much more than the other options. That scene in the Fade towards the end, where Kieran says “Mother”, and then Morrigan also says “Mother” always gives me goosebumps. And yes, I don’t expect every decision we made to have an impact in this game, but I hoped that at least things relevant to this part of the world would be addressed. I agree that it was probably easier on the writers, and they don’t need to recall all voice actors, but it feels lazy.
@@MrHulthen I don't see your council friend Kate doing damage control in the comments. So I doubt Bioware has anything else to say on the situation... What are they gonna say anyway? "We're ignoring the Warden Commander plot line, Morrigan's possible child, who was sent to Weisshaupt during Inquisition, everyone from DA2, the impact of the Orlesian Divine in Nevarra, Rivain and Antiva, and everything not related directly to the Dreadwolf"...
I made a comment for you: Maybe they can in the game ask us what choices we’ve made and this game will move forth with our decision. I’m so excited. I’m going to 💩 all over on Solo or solas😁
They could EASILY have at least a dozen of choices. And tell us the impact with dialogues or even codex if they don't bother to do voicelines. But nothing ? It's just like they don't care at all about the previous games and old fans. Canceled my preorder and waiting for final review now. Who knows what else they hide from us ? This is sad because I love basically every Dragon Age..
Of course they are , why do you think Solas is in this if not for THAT dlc , Let’s see how the interaction with Morrigan goes throughout the game and see what the Inquisitor says/does
@@Daneplaysrpg That’s the point of my post, across all three games and hundreds of choices and only three choices matters. Nothing that mentions about Kieren, if he is even alive, or whether Morrigan is romantically involved with the Warden/HoF which would no doubt impact her character. So many choices across all three games and 99% of them don’t matter.
@@AKTechX17. At this point they could have just made a new game in a different setting, or a spin off, or even better, a totally different IP. This is just milking the franchise without any substance.
@@SeventhheavenDK yeah I agree, even the combat and game mechanics are completely different. People say that DA:O, DA2, and DA:I are very different games and that’s true but they’ve all been CRPGs that allowed you to bring three companions that you could fully control. The Veilguard has none of that.
@@SeventhheavenDK now that's the most blown out of proportion emotional reaction I've ever seen in my life. Abandon the whole world, the lore, and the Solas story, just cause we don't hear about the warden? It's a huge let down, but pretending this has any bearing on t he setting as viable at all is beyond ridiculous.
I can't believe they put more attention to tying in the random fucking comics and "tevinter nights" short stories than their actual PREVIOUS GAMES that this is a SEQUEL to :I
Also, realizing that Tevinter Nights and the comics literally don't matter! Nothing in the comics actually effects the game, and the companion characters who first appear in Tevinter Nights (Neve and Lucanis for instance) behave so differently in the game that they're basically different characters using the same name. All that stuff was a waste of time that ultimately contributed nothing to the story.
It’s unacceptable, you don’t just “wipe the slate clean” at the climax of the story. Another note, this is BioWare’s trademark system we’re talking about here, it’s not just some minor thing; it’s the one thing that makes their games unique compared to others in the same genre. It’s bad enough we’re not getting the bare minimum codex entries but it’s completely unbelievable that major story stuff will just be ignored. To not establish a canon as they claim, they will downright have to avoid mentioning any major moment from past game stories. I’d even argue they are establishing their own canon with the mere appearance of Morrigan because there’s absolutely no way that she doesn’t mention Kieran or her warden husband if they “still exist” like BioWare claims. Unless a canon is established, and I’m not just referring to character fates but also potential character evolutions, we’re not getting any cameos from 99% of characters from past games. Even though Zevran’s VO will likely have a role in the game(American inquisitor) we can’t see Zevran because he can potentially be dead. Cole can’t die but he can potentially have two completely different personalities, meaning he also can’t appear even though he should due to his relationship with solas. I could go on and on about who can’t possibly appear but you get the idea. And for those who say that it’d be too challenging for BioWare to do their trademark system again it’s just completely wrong. From 2007-2015(8 years) BioWare developed Mass Effect 1-3, Dragon Age 1-3, alongside all of their DLCs. And you’re telling me they couldn’t do it justice in 9 years?! Gtfo. It’s crazy to me there are hardcore DA fans like myself that are defending this. Creators I can get because they are getting paid, it’s soulless but just the way of things. BioWare is essentially rewarding you, the hardcore fan’s time and dedication to their franchise by spitting in your eyes and laughing at you. Just look at Patrick Weekes’ and Mary Kirby’s tweets; that’s what they think of those who kept their nearly deceased company/franchise alive for all these years. Yes, I canceled my preorder, even after my countless play throughs of the series and waiting anxiously for 10 years for anything. If this game isn’t made for me then it’s made for nobody. Failguard is going to bomb harder than Kirkwall’s chantry.
I have to wonder if the people defending this even played the series, or any BioWare game for that matter. This is the core of BioWare games. Even in their MMO SWTOR there are a few choices that change things, even if they are few and far between. I always understood that because MMOs are a lot harder to do this in and most players in MMOs are playing for PVP or end game. Choices affecting the world state and carrying over is what sets BioWare a part from every other RPG. I also find the excuse that some are using that 'well they are doing this for new players' to be complete baloney. There was a standard world state in DAI for those who had never played any of the previous games. I know this because DAI was the first game I played in the series. I then went back and played the other 2 games and used the keep to set up my world state for a replay of DAI with the choices I made after going back and playing the 2 previous games. I'm highly suspicious of those treating this like it's not a big deal when it is essentially BioWare changing their core storytelling mechanic.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y Yes, there’s really no excuse from BioWare that makes sense and it’s a much bigger deal than some are making it out to be. This system is the foundation of every one of their good games; I’d even argue it’s the foundation of their company. They’re keenly aware of the backlash this will receive, it’s why they embargoed creators from showing or talking about it; they were hoping to hide it until people bought the game but it was accidentally leaked. Even now, this information is only known to relatively few people in the hardcore community and not the general audience but once non-shill reviews start coming out, I guarantee this will be the #1 issue with the game above anything else. Casual fans who haven’t played in years are going to furious when there’s no information about their Hawke, HOF, favorite companions, or even certain affects of past games’ stories. We literally sent Hawke or a warden to weisshaupt for a future plot event and that’s going to be completely ignored. It’s the same with the well of sorrows, etc. People aren’t going to forget that stuff.
@MjollTheLioness-o4y it's getting pretty hard to defend ngl. Each update seems to bring in highs and lows. Played a lot of Bioware titles: KOTOR, ME, DA etc. Haven't gotten to Jade Empire but it's on my list. Point is, that DA seems to lose a bit of it's soul with every new release, and Veilguard is looking like the biggest departure from the winning formula yet. The creative team for Veilguard also seem insufferably smug and douchey. Hoping I'm wrong and it turns out well but in it's current state, I am worried.
Wow, this really hurts... Whenever I pitch Dragon Age to a friend and tell them it's probably the best game series I've played - I always cite the number 1 reason as the choices carrying over to subsequent games.... so yea, this hurts
When I first heard that I thought “oh man” because I loved Inquisition. Then I remembered that I played the game so many f…ing years ago, I don’t even remember what “decisions” I made. 😂
I'm always baffled at why people ove the Dragon Age series. I played Origins and I loved it. Then I played DA2 and got bored and put it down (I rarely put games down). I haven't played Inquisition, but I've heard very mixed things. So, when you have one exceptional game, one game that is generally thought to be pretty bad and one right in the middle, I'm not sure how that's an amazing series. Mass Effect or the Batman Arkham series are great series, imo.
@@JBrandonMercer123 Well, I really feel like Dragon Age stands out in terms of its characters, player choices, world building, consequences, and especially LORE.. Apart from the fact that every single character and companion is interesting and intriguing, what I absolutely love is how the random codexes you read in Origins comes back in the form of characters and events in big ways in the third game... In the final Trespasser DLC, when a huge set of all those codexes I read - all the way from game 1 - started to culminate into a gigantic epic reveal - I was freaked out with excitement and got goosebumps through and through... The fact that you can make a choice in game one where a close companion becomes a random drunk in game three or a really good king, or the fact that you can pick up the novels and read about Loghain and then actually determine whether his fate continues or ends is so damn cool, and he's just a small character - in the larger scheme of thing - that you can do that with, gives the series a brilliant continuity... On top of all this, the Dragon Age universe does political, philosophical, and religious conflict really very well, and in a way that reflects real world events... For example - the elven gods and the chantry's Maker parallel polytheistic and monotheistic religions in a very interesting way, then the whole Mage and Templar conflict reflects the Middle Eastern conflict in a thought-provoking way... I can keep going on and on... Each character that I created and played with in Dragon Age - the hero of ferelden, hawke, the inquisitor, and now Rook - all seem to stand out in such meaningfully unique ways...In fact, I have this major fantasy that one day there'll be a Dragon Age game where I can play with all my previous four characters in one party (it helps that every game has its distinct color theme - blue, red, green, purple)... I can keep going on, but for me it all started with the Battle of Ostagar where I realized that Dragon Age was going to be the Lord of the Rings game I had always hoped for...
Feynriel, half elf from DA2 left to Tevinter if you helped him. For a long time I was wondering if we could meet him or even recruit him in Dreadwolf, but now it's 100% no way. Every time I hear/see something from this game, the more I die inside...
Shale, the golem DLC character in Origins, went to Tevinter to see if she could be given a flesh body again. She’s the first person I thought of when I heard it was going to be set in Tevinter. Bet she won’t be there and won’t be mentioned.
Thats why they hid this as long as they could. Also why they're charging full price for Origins and 2. Bioware is a shit company filled with people who hate the franchise theyre working on.
The favorism towards the Solas romance is off putting. All 3 of those choices are there for one thing only, to tell the game if you romanced the egg. What you think about the egg. The Inquisitor is just a plot device for Solas. There is no way this can be my Inquisitor.
I spent years , YEARS as an obsessed Solavellan fan.. Perfecting Inquisition, time and time again....... and nothing of this game has made me feel even the tiniest bit of excitement lol. Starting from the realization that you arent the ex inquisitor, but some new guy who doesnt even know a lick about solas to begin with, to now, the uncanny valley looking cast (solas included, rip).. and the care of it all. Will definetly wait till its in the bargain bin, like I did with Anthem lmao
To be fair, thinking you’d be the inquisitor in this game was a lost cause, given the history of the franchise (new protagonist each game). But I get the frustration for the rest
So is the only meaningful Inquisitor choice the Inquisitor that romanced Solas? Every other Inquisitor is just an also ran. Bloody fan fiction. I think I'm going to go scramble some eggs. 🍳
It not only forces your Inquisitor to have an important relationship with Solas but Rook is ALSO forced to have a big important relationship with Solas and the Crossroads sidequests are all about Solas. It's too much
@@Dankus_Memeus_II I think it’s actually worse than that. They’re going to pretend there’s no canon by avoiding every possible decision we could have made in previous games, which is way worse for a lived-in world that should feel the consequences of those choices, especially with the returning characters we’re supposed to interact with.
@@silverscion2144 I could see Bioware trying to do what Bethesda did with the time between Daggerfall and Morrowind with creating the "Warp In The West" plot connector, and use Fade/Veil nonsense to create a reset timeline or an "everything happened and nothing happened" paradox
@@LThomas1701there is a canon considering Dragon age comics that have characters return post DA Origin follow a very specific choice for these plots. However, the games were always about following our own chosen canon world or what if world. If they wanted to follow the set canon than they should have chosen long ago to set it up as a option with world state being what if scenarios players can choose to use for what if experience. Doing this now and removing the option of world state just takes away the core feature they establish the game to originally be.
This is a slap in the face to longtime loyal fans. They knew we’d hate it, so they tried to hide it with preview embargoes. Epler is only talking about it now because it was leaked and they’re doing damage control. I was defending this game despite the art style and tone but now my hype is tanked.
I've been saying that this was not made by people who love Dragon Age. They don't even know who companions from Origins are. It is just a different game at this point and they made sure we felt that way....
@@bonedrone9869 very few developers ever speak out against a product they've worked on. it makes them look really bad for future jobs. I just wish he stayed silent instead of perpetuate this crap
@@SeamanSock "Actually this person doesnt do that" "Oh well that person is BIASED", like dude, you are literally just swiping away all contradictions that disprove your conclusion. You are just emotional. Get over it
“Our philosophy when it comes to integrating past player choices and world states is wherever possible we want to avoid contradicting what has happened before. We never want to invalidate your choices,” - John Epler, Creative Director. From the article. - So, for us not to invalidate your choices, we simply won't allow you to have them imported into this game 😀🤦🏻♀ It's actually so stupid. Also, he said this in the article as well, “We don't want to ever imply that a decision is the wrong decision or the right decision,”. - Why? I MADE that choice, so give me the damn consequences of my actions! That's what makes every playthrough unique and personal. If Zevran died in the first game, then so be it. Let me live with that choice. If Sten died and doesn't show up as the Arishok in this game, then so fucking be it. Let me live with that CHOICE. Idc if I "made a wrong choice", let me feel the weight of those choices as they play into the future of the story. 🤷🏻♀ Don't streamline the game and then say you want it to be a personal journey when you don't even allow players to experience the weight of their previous choices. 😴🤦🏻♀ - This the reason why DA had been so good as a story in the first place. Because even small side quests like Dagna, saving my Dalish clan in DA2 and Inquisition, helping Gamlen reunite with his daughter, etc. These things popped up again in the future games and made it feel that much better. Saying that the Southern Divine doesn't matter at all when like 70% of the known planet follows her as Andrastians is crazy as well btw. Especially because the Divine KNOWS about Solas and his plans by the end of Trespasser. 🙄And don't even get me started on the Dwarven King in Orzammar. That choice needs to be in this game if the Deep Roads and Blight are returning.
It's such a crappy explanation that there's no way that's the real reasoning. Either they got lazy and just didn't want to do it or the publisher was demanding a soft reboot and they had to fight for even the barest minimum.
Its just awful. I never expected them to integrate that many choices personally - but i hate that for the companions of DAI, its just "who you romanced" and nothing else. Nothing about the fates of each companion and how you felt about them. (Solas especially since i know lots of people wanted to kill him) It should matter, but it doesn't. Hes going to act the same way to every inky no matter what. And why would some inquisitors feel responsible for Solas? Whether we did or didn't- i despise being shoe horned into someone elses cannon. And even as a Solasmancer- pretty much all three of those choices are Solas centric- our Inkies did not start and stop at his approval. Theres also no way to input hiw our Inkies felt about things to bring a more accurate picture of our Inquisitor, meaning we'll all be stuck with the same milquetoast version of them. I thought they'd of learnt from Hawke how much we hate that sort of thing. Im firmly of the opinion, that if you can't do a character justice, their absence is better than seeing some washed out version of themselves.
@@anna-friedavandyk Great points. We won’t know how the inquisitor ruled, whether they believed they were chosen, or the status of any of their friends besides those that appear in this game. It doesn’t even look like we’ll be able to choose their class, which is crazy since mages have always had unique dialogue in past games.
There is a choice about solas though, for those who hate him. They ask if you wanted to redeem or kill him, so I'm guessing he will definitely treat love/like/hate inkies differently. ETA: I agree with the rest of what youre saying with the other characters relarionships
@@x_rhi_x2772 But even that has so little nuance to it. What about the inquisitors who had high approval with him, but feel that he's going too far? What about the inquisitors that had low approval with him, but still think he can be redeemed? There should be a separate choice for if your relationship with Solas was good or not, because whether you promised to save him or kill him is not the end all be all of what regard you held him in. A Lavellan that romanced him and still loves him but swore to kill him anyway, is going to be treated the same as a Lavellan that hates his guts, and it's infuriating. It's like Hawke with blood magic all over again.
I was once the Inquisitor, but I was also Hawke, and the Warden. The only reason I was willing to endure these glaring effects and cartoonish art style to play the Veilguard was because I believed I was still connected to the past, whether through past choices or companions. Now you're telling me that most of that is gone. Why didn't the development team come out and state this fact early in the game's promotion, instead of distancing themselves from the past story while bringing back old characters as bait to draw players in? Leave Veilguard to those who are willing to support it. For me, it's not that I abandoned it, but that the devs abandoned players like me.
Imagine going to Weisshaupt, the main HQ of all GW, and not finding any proper record about what happened during the 5th Blight 😅 Feels like they'll end up destroying the whole thing and be like "oops the big bad destroyed everything and there aren't any record of what happened in the past left, daamn that sucks..."
I guess Hawke possibly going there will have no meaning now. They'll say it got destroyed years ago in the timeframe he/she would have been there so that they're dead no matter what now. Guess we won't see the grave for our warden if they scarified in the first game either.
@@dreadnaughtvcn6932 from what I remember of Trespasser epilogues, if Hawke is still alive during Inquisition, he/she will help Varric & Aveline lead Kirkwall
I did a quick check on DA wiki, and there are 13 DAO save-state choices with direct quest impacts in DA2, and that’s not counting small dialogue changes or codex entries. DAI compounded on that with choice from both games, even though the Warden’s story took place a decade before DAI. The idea that almost nothing from those previous games will have an impact is insane to me.
@@silverscion2144 it's sad, but I'm really not sure what do the fans expect - games are made by people, and not studios. Basically no one involved in the early DA and ME is in Bioware any more, and the games they make will be something else, and most likely - worse. We all know it, just refuse to admit.
@@silverscion2144. Because most of the people that made this game didn't even play the past games. These developers are people who, at best, only care about Trespasser and their Romance with Solas, at worst they only care about pushing their ideologies riding on the name of an already existing IP.
If Dragon Age 2 could do it within two years, the shortest dev time in the entire franchise, Veilguard could do it with ten. Veilguard lacking this basic Bioware expectation for contiguous series releases is crippling to my expectations. Sealed the deal on me sitting this one out.
Just for context this game has not been in development for 10 years. It hasnt even been in the planning phase for that long. What we know now as veilguard has maybe 3 or 4 at the most years in dev time.
That's crazy 3 choices my head is spinning. My warden saves the world and just poof gone. Morrigan has a child with my warden and she forgets she has a son and husband. I'm just gonna stop here. All I can say is I'm very disappointed in this. We must be in a multiverse or something. Anyway great vid as always and hope your doing well keep up the great work
Soon in the next Mass Effect: Wrex was never saved and instead Wreav survived, Genophage was not cured, Quarians no longer exist. But we can select Shepard's and Rider romance option and which colour we selected at the end of ME3 (which will have no effect on the story since we will discover that Starchild lied).
The funny thing is that, the newest dragon fight, again made the Wardens the weakest group out there. These are people that kills dragons for a living, especially the blighted ones. But they are just so weak and stupid that only Rook is able to stop it. Like why do you need to make Wardens paper soldiers? There are plenty of ways to make Rook great, other than putting down other established forces. That pissed me off so much, My hero of Ferelden are not pushovers, and with an army of them, they would have taken down both dragons without breaking a sweat. How can any trust the lore to be accurate when they are showing us that they don't care about Dragon Age as much as the fans.
Remember saving or killing Connor in Redcliffe? Imagine my surprise in my world state where I had saved him and he appeared in Redcliffe in Inquisition!!! I was absolutely floored and charmed. Imagine the further feelings I had when I went to side with the Mages and saw Connor kill himself instead of being possessed in the future flash forward...... Nothing like that here. They had soooooo many years to develop this game and this is what they chose to do. Basically ignore all of our decisions and insult us to boot. What a damn shame. I was going to have to buy a Series X/S just to play this game, but this news has caused me to take a pass on this until I see it in the bargain bin. Maybe some other game will make me want to go current gen and Ill only buy Veilguard at a steep discount. Way to go Bioware. You just shot yourselves in the foot
Have you cheek out Exodus comes out sometime in 2026 you actually get goosebumps while watching the trailer even after the trailer haven’t seen or felt that in years.
The game takes place in Northern Thedas so I get why some decision don’t matter as they wouldn’t reflect within northern Thedas anyway, but if Morrigan and the Inquisitor is showing up then why can’t they squeeze in some unique dialogue choices regarding Morrigan and the Hero of Fereldan, Kieran, who drank from the well of sorrows etc??? I sent my Blackwall to Weisshaupt to become a grey warden. I guess he’s not showing up?
To the Northern Thedas point, the game still goes to Antiva, Nevarra, and the Anderfels, where the Orlesian Chantry has influence. To have no mention of the last decade of Divine rule when you also have Inqusition members on your team is pretty world-breaking for me personally.
@@luce1F seeing consequences of your actions propagated through time and affecting the lore/world is not nostalgia bait. No matter how small. Heck even a mention on a codex can be good enough. Nostalgia bait is to bring back characters that have no reference to a decision you made previously.
@@TheZealo that's what my point was. I am with you here. I think Varric and Morrigan are only in this game as nostalgia bait and BioWare cares so little that they can't even take the time to let us flesh out these couple of characters using our previous choices. The only reason we are even finding out about this whole mess is because leaked it and BioWare had to come out and do damage control probably.
Considering the amount of blighted themes and enemies shown so far, I would argue the Hero of Ferelden would most certainly be doing something instead of sitting on their ass. The main conflict, while set in Northen Thedas, will no doubt effect the entirety of Thedas if it isn't dealt with, so I feel this is like a "all hands on deck" type situation where anybody with any skill, especially darkspawn knowledge like the HoF would lend a helping hand someway. I mean, if Morrigan is involved and is romantically involved with the Warden, then for sure he would be there alongside Morrigan. Of course, this assumes the HoF is alive.
This is a HUGE L to the company. Yes it helps 'new' fans but this is the FOURTH game in the series and bitching out on past actions is a pathetic way to honor the series.
The only countries that aren't affected by the political choices made in the South are Tevinter and Par Vollen, because of how isolated they are. The southern Divine is the Divine for Antiva, Nevarra, Rivain, and the Anderfels. Inquisition made a big deal out of this. Potentially we have a war monger on the throne of Orlais (Gaspard) who wants to expand the empire into neighboring nations. We have story threads from previous games that directly tie into 2 of the factions in Veilguard (Zevran trying to destroy the Crows, the warden contact/Hawke disappearing int Weisshaupt, and the HoF seeking a cure to the blight). If they wanted to keep limit the necessity to bring up choices in other games, they needed to limit the scope of Veilguard to JUST Tevinter and Par Vollen.
Actually no, Nevarra is not effected by Divine. They don't even follow the same laws or church traditions. The southern church is required by law to burn their dead where Nevarra does not. There are no circles there either as they are a part of the Morne Watch.
@@Draconiangem The Divine is to Andrastianism what the Pope is to Catholicism. Nevarra is an Andrstian nation, and thus the Divine has influence there. The only Andrastian nation that this is not true for is Tevinter, who has their own Divine. Nevarra does have Circles as well, most notable in Cumberland which holds the College of Magi, where first enchanters from accross Thedas meet to discuss Circle issues and is also the of the Grand Enchanter (see codex entry Circles within Circles in DAO) So actually, Nevarra is literally the seat of power for Circle politics in Thedas. Who the Divine is would absolutely affect them.
I understand they can't keep every decision, no one was asking them to. But only 3 decisions is insane, like it would not be hard to have a decision about Morrigan having a child or romancing the warden in the character creation considering SHE IS IN THE GAME. Like they shouldn't have even included her if they were going to gut her character. They wanted to reboot the serious without telling the fans and only keep these cameos so they feel like "Dragon Age." It was a hollow attempt to make us feel like they haven't drastically changed the series.
Being a Bioware fan since Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 I'm insulted that they chose to get rid of player choice in their games. This is unacceptable. Why even play this game at this point? The next one wont take this one into account if this is what they are doing here. This is a slap in the face from the studio of my second favorite game of all time Mass Effect 2.
@@invaderjoshua6280 not to mention they had 10 years to get this game’s story right while Inquisition implemented dozens of previous game choices with only 3 years of development in a brand new engine. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
@@silverscion2144 I just learned today that they basically canned all the original staff from Bioware. Tons of the lead writers have been laid off. So I'm not even surprised anymore, and your completely right its seems like a skill issue from having non experienced staff remaining. I'm honestly hoping this game just doesn't end with a cliff hanger so i can get some closer, and then it still dose bad sales wise and then EA just closes down this husk calling itself Bioware before they touch Mass Effect again. I just want my good memories intact at this point, and not tainted by their newer games in some of my favorite series. Its hard to play past games when I know what they end up as aka this and Andromeda.
If bioware can't make a game without ignoring past choices in a choice based game series. Then they should just wrap up the story as best as they can and move onto a new ip. I'd rather have a finale that wraps up our choices as best as they can than have games get more and more detached.
Exactly! I think this entire game has been a slap in the face for fans. Iv been disappointed by literally everything from the art, to the character models, to the cut from rpg elements and customization.
Very disappointed as a die hard DAI fan that my choices are going to be virtually ignored including the well of sorrows choice. Super lazy making us wait 10 years just to allow only 3 choices.
@@AaronFuentes-gj6gv I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt because its not complicated with no Dragon Age Keep to add a few more decision with a project that took 10 years and should be thoughtful.
We know that, but it doesn’t give them an excuse not to deliver what the games are known for. Also, ten years is a long time. They had plenty of years without the issues or excuses. I believe it’s either they didn’t care, or it was too hard for them to manage, considering the issues with Mass Effect and incorporating all the choices from past games. But they did it, and it was wonderful and beautiful.
Yay!!!! Only 3 choices!!! You are doing AMAZING Bioware!!! Keep it up please!! What’s next?? You should remove blood magic for Rook!…oh wait you already did that…then remove a companion from the party!…damn you already did that too…what about making every single species look like the human species but with horns and pointy ears and also remove the texture from faces too!!!…no way you already did! Damn you are SO AMAZING Bioware!!!!!!
I warned you all when they first said they weren't using the Keep. But I wasn't expecting the choices they decided were important enough for Veilguard would be a grand total of 3... And Hulthen are you being threatened? Were you offered a position in the Council? Why are you making excuses for this downgrade and still 100% on board for Veilguard? I know you must realize DA2 made previous choices matter with 2 years of development, and what's more: if this is what they're doing with DA, what will they do with Mass Effect? "A little bummed out" is such a bad take...
If Bioware dies, his channel will die too. He knows that. DA2 had just 1.5 years of development, Inquisition 3. EA was crunching old Bioware devs like crazy.
@@inquerion8867 I seriously doubt his channel would die. He can diversify and has done so already with things like BG3... If he goes where the good games are, he doesn't need Bioware at all... The council members on the other hand are married to Bioware and if Veilguard fails their channels die along with their credibility...
This isn't a bummer, this is a huge flaw in a game that's supposed to be about your choices. Nevermind the fact that this means Morrigan has now been reduced to a glorified cameo with her character development leading up to the series being non-existent, because your choices are completely ignored. If you know anything about Morrigan as a character, you must know what a big deal it is for her to be involved with the Warde and actually call them "My Love" and have a freaking son! These things affect you as a person and change you drastically, we even see that in Inquisition where Morrigan is ready to give away her body and soul for her son, which she'd never do in DAO because at that point she thought power and survival to be the most important things in the world. When you erase character's past and events that happened to them, you destroy a part of that character, it's as simple as that. Not to mention all the plot threads still up in the air that are now effectively abandoned. And all of this is made worse by the fact BioWare tried to hide it all.
Hey I'd say maybe we won't know until the game is out..? Like my advice be patient lad we won't know what's what until we get the game in our own hands who knows maybe there is but he's not saying it? Or maybe it's built in within the uh....dialouge system?
@@karandullet380 I assume you didn't read the IGN article where Epler specifically says only 3 choices from Inquisition will matter? There's nothing left to imagination here.
@@karandullet380 Using this same lame excuse for everything is going to bring the downfall of gaming as if its not already spiraling out of control. "How about we wait and see?" How about you show me where the love and care for the game was put in during those 10 years, from trying to be so "representation and inclusive" and then excluding 90% of the Inky's that didn't have or want to have anything to do with Solas. Insufferable.
This is honestly a slap in the face. I have been replaying the games in anticipation of this game and now knowing that almost none of it matters, no Architect? No Morrigan romance and child? What? I wouldn't have believed you if you had told me six months ago that there would be so few choices.
I hate that the Dragon Age series don't have a unique identity. Every single game they change the art style or the game mechanics. It doesn't feel as connected as ME that's why it's so weird sometimes. We will never get another trilogy like ME, because nowadays games take too long to be made and the passionate people that worked at Bioware aren't there anymore. Crazy that we got all 3 ME games in a single console generation, wish it could have been the same with DA, but I don't believe in the devs that are working on Veilguard.
And hilariously, one of those choices is who the Inquisitor romanced. One of those romances is The Iron Bull, but his romance ends in one of two ways. He either betrays you in Trespasser, or he becomes tal-vashoth and stands by you. And there is NO OPTION in Veilguard to select which outcome you got! Ha ha ha! BioWare just assumes that if you romanced Bull, he is automatically tal-vashoth. I didn't see the other romance options, but I'm sure BioWare also botched the other romances that can be broken off by the romanced character. Cassandra could become Divine. Rainier could leave for the Wardens. Sera could end it with a Dalish elf who won't abandon her false gods. And I think Cullen could become a lyrium-addled bum, but I'm not certain on how that plays out if he was romanced. Oh, and no option to select if your Inquisitor was a warrior, mage, or rogue. Ditto on the specializations like templar, rift mage, necromancer, or assassin. Which means the mage Inquisitor won't be using magic during his or her cameo, nor will the templar Inquisitor be negating any magic from any of the evanuris or Solas. Well done BioWare. Also, BioWare is wrong about the Divine choice only affecting the South. The Southern Chantry is THE Chantry for ALL counties in Thedas except Tevinter, which has it's own. That means, the Divine of Orlais and Ferelden is also the Divine of the Anderfels, which is where Weisshaupt is. She's the Divine of Antiva, which is where Treviso is. She's the Divine of Nevarra, which is where the Grand Necropolis is. And yes, who is Divine should play out differently in regard to how each country views the Chantry. The Wardens might favor Leliana, since she favors Wardens, especially if romanced. Nevarra would favor Cassandra since she's a Pendeghast. Vivienne would not be shy about declaring an Exalted March to push the Qunari out of Antiva and possibly Rivain. Of course the Divine choice should have major impacts on the story. BioWare is just too lazy to code it. And ironically, saying "letting the Chargers die was the wrong choice" is exactly what Veilguard just said, as I explained above. They assume you saved the Chargers if you romanced Bull. They forgot all about the choice of telling him to keep the Chargers in place even while still romancing him. Yeah right. I don't trust anything BioWare says about the game. The choices will mean NOTHING. Like the choice between Lace or Neve. It's forced on the player, one or the other must be chosen, and that one always gets hurt no matter what. And so what if she gets hurt? I guess BioWare forgot about injury kits/potions too.
I think it's a huge mistake to skip over who drank from the Well of Sorrows and Ciarán's storyline as well. another thing.... I think I'm more attracted to the Grey Warden with a rat-tail and mullet hairstyle than any of the companions.
It really isn't a Dragon Age game anymore then. It's pathetic really, how the developers thought this was a good idea. It takes away everything great about your own personal story. The immersion, worldbuilding is gone. I was willing to give this game a chance, but this is too much imo.
I preordered the game, but after seeing this news get confirmed, I refunded it, which is really a bummer. I've been waiting for ten years, and I don't think BioWare is gonna pull a ME3 Extended Cut and fix this shit, given how the devs are reacting (Mary Kirby and Patrick Weekes basically saying "careful what you wish for, we'll kill your favorite characters" for example). This is unacceptable. At most I'll watch a playthrough on UA-cam and then attempt to outwrite the devs, with my own world state consequences included, out of sheer spite
Nah they had 10 years to make this game, 10 years. They could have made every single choice matter. And we get like 3 lol. I was trying to be possitive about this game but this is just big NO from me. Not going to buy it. And i saw many are going to cancel their preorder cause of this and rightly so.
Old talented Bioware veterans (which were fired by EA) made Dragon Age Keep choice system and Dragon Age Inquisition in just 3 (!) years 2011-2014. And they had to adapt Battlefield engine which was a lot of work but EA forced them to do that anyway. These new guys had 10 years and A LOT LESS work to do and yet they failed completely.
@@inquerion8867 They also keep bragging about all of the dialogue lines in this game, but so much dialogue in previous titles was referencing past events we controlled. I think about how Cassandra talks to Varric about Kirkwall differently depending on whether Sebastian is currently occupying it. Sure he eventually becomes Viscount regardless, but that small difference mattered to me because my choice had a consequence for the characters I cared about. That won’t be possible in Veilguard, and the game will be far less immersive because of it.
I've played these games since they came out and the logic of NOT playing the newest one because of this makes zero sense to me. "A choice I made in a game 15 years ago doesn't effect the game I've playing now? Oh no, I'm not playing it" is such a weird stance to take.
@@SirK1llington the logic is sound because Bioware games build their fan base on this specific mechanic. That your choice matters, and this is your game, and these world states that you set up makes this a more personal game for you. When you go back on your own mechanic that build this fan base, don't dismiss the negativity that comes from it. You don't mind it because you didn't care about your choices, you don't care if your Morrigan has a son, you don't care if your warden lived or died, you don't care about Varric's own personal choices that you made. Doesn't mean it doesn't matter to other people. Just like how you probably don't care about Dragon Age Origins because to you its just another game out of thousands, but many played Dragon Age origins as their first introduction to the Bioware experience. So it doesn't mean Dragon Age Origins means nothing to these people or is just another game. You might not get it, but we have thousands of RPG games out there, what makes Dragon Age and Mass Effect special is how each sequel is more of your personal game than just another game. This decisions of their to not continue down that same route ruined that immersion part.
This is honestly so inexcusable. I get that integrating all of those different choices is hard but things that are worth doing are hard and to just include 3 choices is absurd.
No excuses the previous devs were able to do it but I am hoping there's more choices it's just we are not being told about them since I saw 5 tabs up there
I spent the last few months (don't have a lot of free time) creating a new canon world. I had a blast playing through everything again and don't regret it. This is a bummer that 90% of the choices I made will have no affect on DW
Okay... sorry, I've been optimistic about this game This is literally a deal breaker. This is genuinely disconnecting me from the new game. There are so many cool cliffhangers. Now they're just nothing.
The copium for this is that characters like the architect will appear regardless if you killed him in awakening or not, cause he probably has corypheus' (and the old god's) power to transfer his soul/essence to another body, and Morrigan will either not mention her kid, or Kieran will just be default, and will be her kid, even if she did not have the kid with the warden/alistair/loghaine. Hawke will probably not be mentioned, nor will the warden or the king of ferelden etc.
I’ve been working on my world state for months and was in the middle of a Solavellan run in Inquisition. Knowing that almost none of the choices I made outside of my Relationship with Solas will matter is crushing. Time was wasted, but money will not be with this game.
This is the worst thing I've heard about the game so far and Bioware even tried to hide this, banning youtubers/journalists from talking about it. So Bioware knew this would be hated and tried to hide it for as long as possbile.
Nope, I’m done. I’m genuinely sick of BioWare, and their lack of transparency and communication. This game has been marred with problem after problem. Major talents leaving, terrible marketing, no promising gameplay, lackluster art direction, and now this? BioWare is known for allowing the players to shape their world THEIR way, and making your choices matter. It’s suppose to be OUR story to tell, and now you’re telling me that more than half the story that we were telling with our choices won’t even be present? At this point, to hell with them. I’m not wasting my time, or money on this and I could not care less what happens to BioWare or Veilguard at this point. I don’t mean to sound harsh, but I’m sick of the constant disappointments that the gaming industry keeps shitting out cause of greed and sheer incompetence. Anthem, Andromeda, and now Veilguard. I’m finished with BioWare.
Hmm... the more and more I learn about this game the more dissapointed I get. Over ten years since the last DA installment and it feels like some things are moving backwards
Hahahahahahaha! Isn't this an exact opposite of what we were promised originally when the game was still in development? Bioware is dead, just a rotting corpse is left.
Except for 1 consultant, nobody that worked on Bioware 15 years ago still works there. Last few veterans like Lukas Kristjanson that worked there for 25 years or Mary Kirby were FIRED in 2023. It's not the same Bioware.
@@wearecatyouarerat2802Considering DAI writers thought it good to have an elven inquisitor (even a first) have to ask morrigan about who the elven gods are and decided to unceremoniously disband the Ferelden Wardens, I will have to see what the newer team does first Also at least Kirby wrote until the end of 2023, even created lucanis, so we don't know how much everyone was involved yet.
As a longtime fan of the series, this is completely unacceptable. John Epler said as a way to not invalidate everyones choices and have their choices mean more than a 'one liner', or 'cameo', they will just ... Not include any of them in this game. I had to sit back for a moment and truly wonder if they even understand their own fanbase or if this is some excuse to lazy writing. How can you bring back Morrigan, the Inqusitior, and who knows who else, and just *NOT* give us the ability to decide what choices they made that would definitely alter their character. You're telling me they had no time to make a few conversation differences between a Morrigan who drank from the well, had a child, and has been possibly married for 20+ years at this point then over one who did none of those things? And what else are they going to vaguely walk around in dialogue from choices we've made. You mean to tell me Morrigan will just not mention the HoF, you know, the last person in all of Thedas to defeat an archdemon and end the blight, WHILE a new blight is happening??? That, that storyline is just completely irrelevant to the game bc LoL SolAs? And since Hawke cannot be mentioned at all. I guess every love interest from DA2 is either not in the game or just will pretend Hawke doesnt exist in their dialogue? And why are 2 of the 3 inquisitor choices from the last 20 minutes of a DLC??? If Sten is in the game he will make 0 mention of his time in origins, 0 mention of his thoughts on Kirkwall and the Arishok. There is more and more that I don't even want to think about because it will make me more upset. One-liners and cameos are a STAPLE in Dragon Age games. Why would Bioware think we would choose NONE of choices being mentioned and our world states being non-existent over not having previous character mention something from their past. When you tell us that our choices matter, we did not take it as your choices matter ONLY in your own mind and headcanon. I am done being excited for the game and they never should've brought back anyone except the elven Inquisitor who romanced Solas, because that is the ONLY choice in all the past 3 games that mattered apparently.
This is the death nail for me on this game. Three games worth of Decisions and years of investment, and I'm told to F OFF by Bioware. It's Mass Effect 3's ending all over again. Since their doing this to Dragon Age, I fear what they have plan for Mass Effect 5 now.
There are quite a few choices that could be left out in the keep, HOWEVER, some choices are too important, and even more so in the case some characters do show up again in DAV, for example, it would both be a bummer if Fenris (after the whole blue wraith saga) doesn't show up, or if he shows up and doesn't even know he romanced Hawke (who can even be lost to the veil). So yeah, there are several choices that could be expendable, but some are just way too important.
Fenris wasn't going to appear, because he could die in DA2, and they already say they didn't want to "conflict" themselves with that kind of characters, thus ignoring most of our decisions in the name of "respecting them" (mere excuses).
Repost: Bioware. You had 10 years and 1 job. I don't care if I have to wait a few more months, they should push back the date and fix this. 3 choices? Really? I have sneezes that were more significant. You say you're fans of these characters and choices but you sure don't practice what you preach. And it does feel disingenuous how you waited so long to drop this news. Should have been one of the first things you came out with and explained. Especially to those who have been waiting for years. YEARS my dudes. Edit: Let me be clear, I wasn't expecting every character from DAI, DA2 and DAO to show up. That's ridiculous and a pain. But you can't be bothered to ask us questions about decisions we made in previous titles to just give us some codex to add to the lore we built? A few lines of dialogue depending on what we chose? Really? How is the OG Mass Effect series under the same roof? No one thought to ask them how they carried over all their decisions from game to game? Something they perfected more than 10 years ago? I'm supposed to believe it couldn't be done? If I can tell Conrad Verner that I don't work for Cerberus and to shut his pie hole in ME3; when talking to him was a fly by the seat of my pants decision in ME1 then you guys could be bothered to throw in a few lines of dialogue or some codex based on our decisions. I was set on buying the game on day one but now I'm just going to wait and watch it being played to see if it's even worth it since it seems the 1000+ hours put into the previous titles mean nothing now.
It's super disappointing! I don't like the art style, combat and now my choices didn't even matter at all. You can clearly see that this game is made for new players and not us longtime fans. RIP to my Hawke that I sacrificed for Alistair and won't even be mentioned...
As someone whose favourite gaming franchise of all time is Mass Effect, I am definitely not getting this game. I don’t have faith in this new BioWare to do justice to Mass Effect anymore, it will end up being worse than Andromeda. I was already on the fence with this game with its art style and many other issues, but this is a slap in the face
So the person who was left behind in the fade won't matter? This game was probably the best to explain their fate since the text displayed during that choice was "will LIKELY die" or something like that, should they die or depending on who you picked they survived and/or changed?
Making no consequence to not ignore the past decisions is a joke for a company promising choice based games. They need to make consequences for every side player chose in past decisions, not to ignore the choice completely. If they don't want to make consequences so they should not make choices either. This is just a false promise. Expect same thing happening to Mass effect.
Gods, that's even worse than I expected and my expectations were quite... low... already. THis game is giving me whiplash and it's not even out yet 🤣 I mean, meaningful world state options that SHOULD impact this game off the top of my head: What happened to the HOF? Did Alistair take the crown or become a warden? Did you save Fenris and/or Anders in DA:2 Decisions/impacts affecting Dorian Did Morrigan have a relationship with HOF or leave on her own? Did Varrick become Viscount? There are more, but these seem pretty damn important!
What about who drank the water of the Wheel of Sorrows and got the power and is controlled by Flemmeth? What about Morrigans Son? What if Hawk or Alistair stays trapped in the Fade? What if the Grey Wardens are destroyed? Does the Inquisitor still have both his hands? Mine didn`t... Lazy game, no wonder they are dropping from $70 to $60, pretty sure this game is fairly short as well, I think no more than 30-40 hours of gameplay, since it`s only 3 acts and they are all linear.
Canonically Alistair is king because they published comics with him being portrayed as king. And Sten replaced the Arishok. I think Wynne is dead by this point. I haven’t been able to glean anything else.
John Epler's statement about past events not affecting the northern part of Thedas is utter nonsense! How exactly are you going to go to the main Warden stronghold DURING a DOUBLE BLIGHT while disregarding the person who stopped the last Blight, who is also without a doubt the most famous and important warden in their time? Really? So many other world altering events occurred in the past 3 games and the ONLY thing Bioware thinks is important is if you went after Solas, if you liked Solas, and if you quit your job as Inquisitor? All part of the Trespasser DLC, not even the main game itself. What nonsense! As a fan who started this series when it was new, this is too much of a disappointment to overcome. Completely killed my enthusiasm and interest in the game. VERY happy I found out before giving them my money!
The devs working on Veilguard actively despise the previous Dragon Age games. Every single interview, they make at least one comment about how awful the previous Dragon Age games were and how Veilguard will do it better. It's infuriating
I’m having a harder and harder time justifying buying this. It’s painful to say, but a lot of what was driving my interest in the game was nostalgia. I’ve enjoyed the previous games for the most part, but there’s more and more red flags that keep popping up. I honestly might save my money for Monster Hunter Wilds.
I hate it, with a passion. My Hawke was alive at the end of DA:I and she said she was going to Weishaupt, so I was kinda expecting to see (mentions) of her there. Not only that: ALLL the other things! Kieran, Alistair, Divine Vicotria, etc. I would rather have them make the game take place in the new age, where most of the details are lost in history and the bigger decisions just being codex entries than this. Edit: I was already having a whiplash with my expectations of DA:V, but this made it hit rock bottom. I don't love the art style they went it, it's to smooth and makes the animation look weak, but I can live with it. I don't like the UI, but I can live with it and would probably play with mods on new playtroughs. I don't like the combat style and prefer something like Origins, but hey it was kinda obvious they would go this way and thus I can live with it. But now this as well?!?! There is a limit to my "I can live with it" supply. I'm still going to play it and I hope the story and companions make up for it. It will definitely not be (not by a long shot) the GoTY like some people are still saying it will be and I hope, really hope the game will be decent and enjoyable at least.
@@mrmasky9783 I don't mind the keep being gone, that much as long as we could carry over our choices. Thankfully I didn't preorder (BG3 was the only one and will probably keep that title). I will probably still play it on release, but this is the limit for me. One more drop and the bucket is overflowing and I'll pass.
both tbh. both only care for bending over backwards for ESG scores. Its not just EA, the "developers" also basically say these in interviews. that basically they are narcissistic and want to make a world to reflect with THEIR views.. hence the whole plot and universe as a whole just falls apart. which is why itll never connect with "old" games. That's what i think at least. if "developers" can ruin universes like LOTR, Witcher, house of the dragon (s2), im pretty sure ruining Thedas is a walk in the park for those people. Not to mention the former examples are already established and masterfully written universes that those devs were supposed to "adapt". Even though they are not the "same" devs.. they are more or less clones.
The hype for this game is... nonexistent. If the poor art choices didn't sink this thing for me (those Dark Spawn are... horrendous), the fact they've invalidated my prior 3 games, whether they use nice language about it or not, isn't going to fly. They needed this game to do big numbers, and there have been so many game-design choices in this thing that just are repellent, that they've sunk their chances of making this game profitable. The best they can hope for is that its not a complete flop, and just turn out a disappointment.
This makes me angry. I've stuck by Bioware because of my love for Mass Effect and Dragon Age, but this really feels like a huge kick in the face. If Veilguard flops, then I actually hope Bioware gets shut down before they can ruin Mass Effect.
Also, I did not like the art style of DA Inquisition. The environments were cool, but armor and character design did not do it for me. The only armor models I found looked good were Blackwall's armor. And don't even get me started on character personality. I'm talking about you, Sera
I really dislike when they try to rationalize away that they can not respect the lore and personal choices of the player because they have a lack of storytelling skill and imagination.
Kieran being possibly irrelevant is insane to me like wtf and the well of sorrows aswell ? I hope they canonize some of the events and stick to them at least.
The developers have made so many idiotic decisions with this game that it's the last nail in the coffin.And you're still trying to excuse them.If it was such a good sequel to the previous episodes, there wouldn't be a need for this.
This really sucks for us big DA fans who probably did multiple playthroughs of previous games to get their world state just right as we wanted. At least, it seems that Female elf is the canon Inquisitor in this and since she doesn't have dalish tattoos anymore that means she romanced Solas and allowed him to remove those and as someone who's Inquisitor was a female dalish elf who romanced solas at least that's something i have to look forward to
Every time I entered Dragon Age Keep to update my world states, it always made me excited, making me wonder how all this different choices from the three games would affect the next one... As soon as I heard that Veilguard doesn't use the Keep, I knew that they made a linear story with no impact from previous game choices... Listen I was coping so hard that mods or patches would fix some of the visual/gameplay aspects, but it's near impossible to save the essence of Bioware which always been the narrative. I was really hoping that Bioware might succeed and get back on its feet, but to be honest? I now pray that they sell their IPs. I personally feel that Bioware won't sink after this one, but if they do... DA and ME don't deserve to die alongside their studio...
I'm pretty disappointed in this I'll be honest. I don't care much about the larger decisions we made in the previous games - we're in a different location, largely unaffected by previous choices. Even the divine - all three options are called Divine Victoria, and they'll most likely stay in Orlais. However, I am upset that more personal decisions didn't carry through. For example, has Varric's best friend been dead for 10 years, or have they been happily retired? I think those would be two different Varrics, maybe subtly, but still different. Morrigan as well, is she a mother? Did she find true love? Or was she stabbed and almost killed by someone who had been an ally? Those would be different Morrigans. Was the Inquisitor friends with Solas, but still vowed to stop him at all costs? Or did they hate that bastard? Those are the nuances I feel loss for. However, after introspection, I've decided that I'm still excited for the game. I know it's different for other people, but my enjoyment of the series has always been about meeting a new set of complex, compelling companions, and going on a fantasy adventure with them. The cameos were always nice because I liked checking in on old companions, but I don't require it to enjoy the game, and I have no reason at this point to believe there will be anything wrong with the self contained story of this game. (I am a little extra sad that this game was probably our last chance to see Zevran in action again, given that the man has to be around 50 in universe at this point. However, I will simply have to cope.)
I totally get that they're not using direct saves imports and stuff like that. I can even understand if they don't want to use the keep (though it's a bit weird that they aren't). However, why wouldn't they take this opportunity to have designed the game such that we'd get a standalone character creator AND utility to make a number of choices. It's such an incredibly easy win. Even if you are a new player, you might still really love the character generator - look at Dragon's Dogma 2 for example. It would just be such a great bundle for new and old players. To add, I think this would make more sense if they weren't continuing the story in the world.
11:40 - VOLUME WARNING - I don't know why but the sound is way too loud for this clip so remember to lower your volume
Something to add: Bioware hasn't said that minor things aren't going to be referenced at all, only that there are three choices of importance that will affect the world (which is still a big bummer).
IGN article: www.ign.com/articles/how-dragon-age-the-veilguard-grapples-with-the-series-wildly-expansive-lore-and-your-choices-in-it
It's ok, you probably got frustrated with the news like the rest of us. I personally increased my decibels by at least 30 degrees when I found out about this.
Yeah that part caught me off guard so hard
Ironically making it funny
Wait I was thinking of this 6:15
I mean, they could have at least mentioned things that are relevant to the places we will visit. For example, what happened with Dorian? Is he still the voice of the opposition in the Magisterium? Or Fenris and Isabella, who both returned to the north, at least according to Varric (which may be untrue). Is Josephine doing well, does she play a role in the politics of northern Thedas? Also, the Warden, naturally, will we finally learn their fate?
Regarding Morrigan, I suspect her having a son and having drunk from the Well of Sorrows is considered canon. I mean, it hits emotionally much more than the other options. That scene in the Fade towards the end, where Kieran says “Mother”, and then Morrigan also says “Mother” always gives me goosebumps.
And yes, I don’t expect every decision we made to have an impact in this game, but I hoped that at least things relevant to this part of the world would be addressed. I agree that it was probably easier on the writers, and they don’t need to recall all voice actors, but it feels lazy.
@@MrHulthen I don't see your council friend Kate doing damage control in the comments. So I doubt Bioware has anything else to say on the situation... What are they gonna say anyway? "We're ignoring the Warden Commander plot line, Morrigan's possible child, who was sent to Weisshaupt during Inquisition, everyone from DA2, the impact of the Orlesian Divine in Nevarra, Rivain and Antiva, and everything not related directly to the Dreadwolf"...
I made a comment for you: Maybe they can in the game ask us what choices we’ve made and this game will move forth with our decision.
I’m so excited. I’m going to 💩 all over on Solo or solas😁
They could EASILY have at least a dozen of choices. And tell us the impact with dialogues or even codex if they don't bother to do voicelines. But nothing ? It's just like they don't care at all about the previous games and old fans.
Canceled my preorder and waiting for final review now. Who knows what else they hide from us ?
This is sad because I love basically every Dragon Age..
This. This 100%
I'm so glad that I delayed pre-ordering, because it's an EA game. At least this information makes that decision for me.
Same, it’s so pathetic rip Dragon age……
"We want the game to feel personal so we will ignore all of your past choices, ok?"
Unless your a Solavellan shipper, then you win.
@@tamarak.8800 For elven glory!
Bro why do yall complain about everything 😒
@@ChrisMendes-g2f Not even playing as the same fucking character.
@@ChrisMendes-g2fdude for real everyone just wants to hate this game so they blow everything out of proportion
Not only these choices are all for DA:I... they're mostly all focused on the Tresspasser DLC.
Of course they are , why do you think Solas is in this if not for THAT dlc ,
Let’s see how the interaction with Morrigan goes throughout the game and see what the Inquisitor says/does
@@Daneplaysrpg That’s the point of my post, across all three games and hundreds of choices and only three choices matters. Nothing that mentions about Kieren, if he is even alive, or whether Morrigan is romantically involved with the Warden/HoF which would no doubt impact her character.
So many choices across all three games and 99% of them don’t matter.
@@AKTechX17. At this point they could have just made a new game in a different setting, or a spin off, or even better, a totally different IP.
This is just milking the franchise without any substance.
@@SeventhheavenDK yeah I agree, even the combat and game mechanics are completely different.
People say that DA:O, DA2, and DA:I are very different games and that’s true but they’ve all been CRPGs that allowed you to bring three companions that you could fully control.
The Veilguard has none of that.
@@SeventhheavenDK now that's the most blown out of proportion emotional reaction I've ever seen in my life. Abandon the whole world, the lore, and the Solas story, just cause we don't hear about the warden? It's a huge let down, but pretending this has any bearing on t he setting as viable at all is beyond ridiculous.
I can't believe they put more attention to tying in the random fucking comics and "tevinter nights" short stories than their actual PREVIOUS GAMES that this is a SEQUEL to :I
Also, realizing that Tevinter Nights and the comics literally don't matter! Nothing in the comics actually effects the game, and the companion characters who first appear in Tevinter Nights (Neve and Lucanis for instance) behave so differently in the game that they're basically different characters using the same name. All that stuff was a waste of time that ultimately contributed nothing to the story.
Well im out, this is the final straw if my choices from Origins to inquisition mean nothing then there getting none of my money
Hear, hear!
It’s unacceptable, you don’t just “wipe the slate clean” at the climax of the story. Another note, this is BioWare’s trademark system we’re talking about here, it’s not just some minor thing; it’s the one thing that makes their games unique compared to others in the same genre. It’s bad enough we’re not getting the bare minimum codex entries but it’s completely unbelievable that major story stuff will just be ignored. To not establish a canon as they claim, they will downright have to avoid mentioning any major moment from past game stories. I’d even argue they are establishing their own canon with the mere appearance of Morrigan because there’s absolutely no way that she doesn’t mention Kieran or her warden husband if they “still exist” like BioWare claims. Unless a canon is established, and I’m not just referring to character fates but also potential character evolutions, we’re not getting any cameos from 99% of characters from past games. Even though Zevran’s VO will likely have a role in the game(American inquisitor) we can’t see Zevran because he can potentially be dead. Cole can’t die but he can potentially have two completely different personalities, meaning he also can’t appear even though he should due to his relationship with solas. I could go on and on about who can’t possibly appear but you get the idea.
And for those who say that it’d be too challenging for BioWare to do their trademark system again it’s just completely wrong. From 2007-2015(8 years) BioWare developed Mass Effect 1-3, Dragon Age 1-3, alongside all of their DLCs. And you’re telling me they couldn’t do it justice in 9 years?! Gtfo.
It’s crazy to me there are hardcore DA fans like myself that are defending this. Creators I can get because they are getting paid, it’s soulless but just the way of things. BioWare is essentially rewarding you, the hardcore fan’s time and dedication to their franchise by spitting in your eyes and laughing at you. Just look at Patrick Weekes’ and Mary Kirby’s tweets; that’s what they think of those who kept their nearly deceased company/franchise alive for all these years.
Yes, I canceled my preorder, even after my countless play throughs of the series and waiting anxiously for 10 years for anything. If this game isn’t made for me then it’s made for nobody. Failguard is going to bomb harder than Kirkwall’s chantry.
I have to wonder if the people defending this even played the series, or any BioWare game for that matter. This is the core of BioWare games. Even in their MMO SWTOR there are a few choices that change things, even if they are few and far between. I always understood that because MMOs are a lot harder to do this in and most players in MMOs are playing for PVP or end game.
Choices affecting the world state and carrying over is what sets BioWare a part from every other RPG. I also find the excuse that some are using that 'well they are doing this for new players' to be complete baloney. There was a standard world state in DAI for those who had never played any of the previous games. I know this because DAI was the first game I played in the series. I then went back and played the other 2 games and used the keep to set up my world state for a replay of DAI with the choices I made after going back and playing the 2 previous games. I'm highly suspicious of those treating this like it's not a big deal when it is essentially BioWare changing their core storytelling mechanic.
@@MjollTheLioness-o4y Yes, there’s really no excuse from BioWare that makes sense and it’s a much bigger deal than some are making it out to be. This system is the foundation of every one of their good games; I’d even argue it’s the foundation of their company. They’re keenly aware of the backlash this will receive, it’s why they embargoed creators from showing or talking about it; they were hoping to hide it until people bought the game but it was accidentally leaked. Even now, this information is only known to relatively few people in the hardcore community and not the general audience but once non-shill reviews start coming out, I guarantee this will be the #1 issue with the game above anything else. Casual fans who haven’t played in years are going to furious when there’s no information about their Hawke, HOF, favorite companions, or even certain affects of past games’ stories. We literally sent Hawke or a warden to weisshaupt for a future plot event and that’s going to be completely ignored. It’s the same with the well of sorrows, etc. People aren’t going to forget that stuff.
@MjollTheLioness-o4y it's getting pretty hard to defend ngl. Each update seems to bring in highs and lows. Played a lot of Bioware titles: KOTOR, ME, DA etc. Haven't gotten to Jade Empire but it's on my list. Point is, that DA seems to lose a bit of it's soul with every new release, and Veilguard is looking like the biggest departure from the winning formula yet. The creative team for Veilguard also seem insufferably smug and douchey. Hoping I'm wrong and it turns out well but in it's current state, I am worried.
Wow, this really hurts... Whenever I pitch Dragon Age to a friend and tell them it's probably the best game series I've played - I always cite the number 1 reason as the choices carrying over to subsequent games.... so yea, this hurts
When I first heard that I thought “oh man” because I loved Inquisition. Then I remembered that I played the game so many f…ing years ago, I don’t even remember what “decisions” I made. 😂
Lmao yeah I also do that
this one is rough
I cant believe this
I did see an SS from the game 3 days ago in which there were 5 tabs so maybe it's not all?
I'm always baffled at why people ove the Dragon Age series. I played Origins and I loved it. Then I played DA2 and got bored and put it down (I rarely put games down). I haven't played Inquisition, but I've heard very mixed things. So, when you have one exceptional game, one game that is generally thought to be pretty bad and one right in the middle, I'm not sure how that's an amazing series. Mass Effect or the Batman Arkham series are great series, imo.
@@JBrandonMercer123 Well, I really feel like Dragon Age stands out in terms of its characters, player choices, world building, consequences, and especially LORE.. Apart from the fact that every single character and companion is interesting and intriguing, what I absolutely love is how the random codexes you read in Origins comes back in the form of characters and events in big ways in the third game... In the final Trespasser DLC, when a huge set of all those codexes I read - all the way from game 1 - started to culminate into a gigantic epic reveal - I was freaked out with excitement and got goosebumps through and through... The fact that you can make a choice in game one where a close companion becomes a random drunk in game three or a really good king, or the fact that you can pick up the novels and read about Loghain and then actually determine whether his fate continues or ends is so damn cool, and he's just a small character - in the larger scheme of thing - that you can do that with, gives the series a brilliant continuity... On top of all this, the Dragon Age universe does political, philosophical, and religious conflict really very well, and in a way that reflects real world events... For example - the elven gods and the chantry's Maker parallel polytheistic and monotheistic religions in a very interesting way, then the whole Mage and Templar conflict reflects the Middle Eastern conflict in a thought-provoking way... I can keep going on and on... Each character that I created and played with in Dragon Age - the hero of ferelden, hawke, the inquisitor, and now Rook - all seem to stand out in such meaningfully unique ways...In fact, I have this major fantasy that one day there'll be a Dragon Age game where I can play with all my previous four characters in one party (it helps that every game has its distinct color theme - blue, red, green, purple)... I can keep going on, but for me it all started with the Battle of Ostagar where I realized that Dragon Age was going to be the Lord of the Rings game I had always hoped for...
Feynriel, half elf from DA2 left to Tevinter if you helped him. For a long time I was wondering if we could meet him or even recruit him in Dreadwolf, but now it's 100% no way. Every time I hear/see something from this game, the more I die inside...
me too
He wasn't even brought up in Inquisition though. In my playthroughs I always send him to the Circle to earn Fenris' approval.
Shale, the golem DLC character in Origins, went to Tevinter to see if she could be given a flesh body again. She’s the first person I thought of when I heard it was going to be set in Tevinter. Bet she won’t be there and won’t be mentioned.
That’s painful to hear I just replayed the entire series to ensure I had my world history built the way I wanted!
Same 😒
Thats why they hid this as long as they could. Also why they're charging full price for Origins and 2. Bioware is a shit company filled with people who hate the franchise theyre working on.
It is still good to replay them to get reacquainted with the setting, plus they are just fun games
The favorism towards the Solas romance is off putting. All 3 of those choices are there for one thing only, to tell the game if you romanced the egg. What you think about the egg. The Inquisitor is just a plot device for Solas. There is no way this can be my Inquisitor.
I spent years , YEARS as an obsessed Solavellan fan.. Perfecting Inquisition, time and time again....... and nothing of this game has made me feel even the tiniest bit of excitement lol. Starting from the realization that you arent the ex inquisitor, but some new guy who doesnt even know a lick about solas to begin with, to now, the uncanny valley looking cast (solas included, rip).. and the care of it all. Will definetly wait till its in the bargain bin, like I did with Anthem lmao
To be fair, thinking you’d be the inquisitor in this game was a lost cause, given the history of the franchise (new protagonist each game). But I get the frustration for the rest
@@brewster9235it's an inquisition sequel though it really is just an inquisition sequel
So is the only meaningful Inquisitor choice the Inquisitor that romanced Solas? Every other Inquisitor is just an also ran. Bloody fan fiction. I think I'm going to go scramble some eggs. 🍳
It not only forces your Inquisitor to have an important relationship with Solas but Rook is ALSO forced to have a big important relationship with Solas and the Crossroads sidequests are all about Solas. It's too much
So there’s now a canon storyline and our world save states no longer matter. This was supposed to be our own story
There's no Canon storyline
@@Dankus_Memeus_II I think it’s actually worse than that. They’re going to pretend there’s no canon by avoiding every possible decision we could have made in previous games, which is way worse for a lived-in world that should feel the consequences of those choices, especially with the returning characters we’re supposed to interact with.
If they publish books or series, those are canon.
Alistair is King and we know because the comics depicted him as such.
@@silverscion2144 I could see Bioware trying to do what Bethesda did with the time between Daggerfall and Morrowind with creating the "Warp In The West" plot connector, and use Fade/Veil nonsense to create a reset timeline or an "everything happened and nothing happened" paradox
@@LThomas1701there is a canon considering Dragon age comics that have characters return post DA Origin follow a very specific choice for these plots. However, the games were always about following our own chosen canon world or what if world. If they wanted to follow the set canon than they should have chosen long ago to set it up as a option with world state being what if scenarios players can choose to use for what if experience. Doing this now and removing the option of world state just takes away the core feature they establish the game to originally be.
This is a slap in the face to longtime loyal fans. They knew we’d hate it, so they tried to hide it with preview embargoes. Epler is only talking about it now because it was leaked and they’re doing damage control. I was defending this game despite the art style and tone but now my hype is tanked.
I've been saying that this was not made by people who love Dragon Age. They don't even know who companions from Origins are. It is just a different game at this point and they made sure we felt that way....
@@SeamanSock To be fair even series veterans like Mary Kirby are defending this for some reason.
@@bonedrone9869probably because it’s becomes a massive headache to keep up all the choices.
@@bonedrone9869 very few developers ever speak out against a product they've worked on. it makes them look really bad for future jobs. I just wish he stayed silent instead of perpetuate this crap
@@SeamanSock "Actually this person doesnt do that" "Oh well that person is BIASED", like dude, you are literally just swiping away all contradictions that disprove your conclusion. You are just emotional. Get over it
“Our philosophy when it comes to integrating past player choices and world states is wherever possible we want to avoid contradicting what has happened before. We never want to invalidate your choices,” - John Epler, Creative Director. From the article.
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So, for us not to invalidate your choices, we simply won't allow you to have them imported into this game 😀🤦🏻♀
It's actually so stupid. Also, he said this in the article as well, “We don't want to ever imply that a decision is the wrong decision or the right decision,”.
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Why? I MADE that choice, so give me the damn consequences of my actions! That's what makes every playthrough unique and personal. If Zevran died in the first game, then so be it. Let me live with that choice. If Sten died and doesn't show up as the Arishok in this game, then so fucking be it. Let me live with that CHOICE. Idc if I "made a wrong choice", let me feel the weight of those choices as they play into the future of the story. 🤷🏻♀ Don't streamline the game and then say you want it to be a personal journey when you don't even allow players to experience the weight of their previous choices. 😴🤦🏻♀
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This the reason why DA had been so good as a story in the first place. Because even small side quests like Dagna, saving my Dalish clan in DA2 and Inquisition, helping Gamlen reunite with his daughter, etc. These things popped up again in the future games and made it feel that much better. Saying that the Southern Divine doesn't matter at all when like 70% of the known planet follows her as Andrastians is crazy as well btw. Especially because the Divine KNOWS about Solas and his plans by the end of Trespasser. 🙄And don't even get me started on the Dwarven King in Orzammar. That choice needs to be in this game if the Deep Roads and Blight are returning.
It's such a crappy explanation that there's no way that's the real reasoning. Either they got lazy and just didn't want to do it or the publisher was demanding a soft reboot and they had to fight for even the barest minimum.
Now why did I fill out Dragon Age Keep yesterday for like an hour 😭
Like why does Dragon Age Keep even have the ability to fill out your decisions for Inquisition if they aren't applicable
@@The_Vile_Frog Bioware: "cause fuck em, that's why!"
This has killed my hype faster than anything else they've shown so far.
With the amount of disappointment this has caused in so many fans, I feel lucky my hype was dead the moment I saw the gameplay.
Only choice that matters is the choice to waste your money on this game or not.
Its just awful. I never expected them to integrate that many choices personally - but i hate that for the companions of DAI, its just "who you romanced" and nothing else. Nothing about the fates of each companion and how you felt about them. (Solas especially since i know lots of people wanted to kill him) It should matter, but it doesn't. Hes going to act the same way to every inky no matter what.
And why would some inquisitors feel responsible for Solas? Whether we did or didn't- i despise being shoe horned into someone elses cannon.
And even as a Solasmancer- pretty much all three of those choices are Solas centric- our Inkies did not start and stop at his approval. Theres also no way to input hiw our Inkies felt about things to bring a more accurate picture of our Inquisitor, meaning we'll all be stuck with the same milquetoast version of them.
I thought they'd of learnt from Hawke how much we hate that sort of thing.
Im firmly of the opinion, that if you can't do a character justice, their absence is better than seeing some washed out version of themselves.
@@anna-friedavandyk Great points. We won’t know how the inquisitor ruled, whether they believed they were chosen, or the status of any of their friends besides those that appear in this game. It doesn’t even look like we’ll be able to choose their class, which is crazy since mages have always had unique dialogue in past games.
I'd say let's wait until the game comes put and see for ourselves
There is a choice about solas though, for those who hate him. They ask if you wanted to redeem or kill him, so I'm guessing he will definitely treat love/like/hate inkies differently. ETA: I agree with the rest of what youre saying with the other characters relarionships
@@x_rhi_x2772I mean I liked him but I still promised I would stop him no matter what even if I had to kill him
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But even that has so little nuance to it. What about the inquisitors who had high approval with him, but feel that he's going too far? What about the inquisitors that had low approval with him, but still think he can be redeemed?
There should be a separate choice for if your relationship with Solas was good or not, because whether you promised to save him or kill him is not the end all be all of what regard you held him in. A Lavellan that romanced him and still loves him but swore to kill him anyway, is going to be treated the same as a Lavellan that hates his guts, and it's infuriating. It's like Hawke with blood magic all over again.
I was once the Inquisitor, but I was also Hawke, and the Warden. The only reason I was willing to endure these glaring effects and cartoonish art style to play the Veilguard was because I believed I was still connected to the past, whether through past choices or companions. Now you're telling me that most of that is gone. Why didn't the development team come out and state this fact early in the game's promotion, instead of distancing themselves from the past story while bringing back old characters as bait to draw players in? Leave Veilguard to those who are willing to support it. For me, it's not that I abandoned it, but that the devs abandoned players like me.
Why? $$$
Saying that early would hurt pre order sales.
They used nostalgia baits to attract old fans.
Imagine going to Weisshaupt, the main HQ of all GW, and not finding any proper record about what happened during the 5th Blight 😅
Feels like they'll end up destroying the whole thing and be like "oops the big bad destroyed everything and there aren't any record of what happened in the past left, daamn that sucks..."
I guess Hawke possibly going there will have no meaning now. They'll say it got destroyed years ago in the timeframe he/she would have been there so that they're dead no matter what now. Guess we won't see the grave for our warden if they scarified in the first game either.
@@dreadnaughtvcn6932 from what I remember of Trespasser epilogues, if Hawke is still alive during Inquisition, he/she will help Varric & Aveline lead Kirkwall
@@ZrodyApo Oh interesting. That's not what happened in my most recent playthrough iirc.
Evolving backwards at the speed of light 🤣
I did a quick check on DA wiki, and there are 13 DAO save-state choices with direct quest impacts in DA2, and that’s not counting small dialogue changes or codex entries. DAI compounded on that with choice from both games, even though the Warden’s story took place a decade before DAI. The idea that almost nothing from those previous games will have an impact is insane to me.
@@silverscion2144 it's sad, but I'm really not sure what do the fans expect - games are made by people, and not studios. Basically no one involved in the early DA and ME is in Bioware any more, and the games they make will be something else, and most likely - worse. We all know it, just refuse to admit.
@@silverscion2144. Because most of the people that made this game didn't even play the past games.
These developers are people who, at best, only care about Trespasser and their Romance with Solas, at worst they only care about pushing their ideologies riding on the name of an already existing IP.
If Dragon Age 2 could do it within two years, the shortest dev time in the entire franchise, Veilguard could do it with ten.
Veilguard lacking this basic Bioware expectation for contiguous series releases is crippling to my expectations. Sealed the deal on me sitting this one out.
That’s my entire point 10 years of development, they have no excuse
Just for context this game has not been in development for 10 years. It hasnt even been in the planning phase for that long. What we know now as veilguard has maybe 3 or 4 at the most years in dev time.
@@Penisdrizzle its still longer than DA2 and they still made your choices matter in that one to a larger extent
@@KingcvrtGame has not been in development for 10 years😂
Aside from the fact that Veilguard was in dev for like 3-4 years then I agree.
That's crazy 3 choices my head is spinning. My warden saves the world and just poof gone. Morrigan has a child with my warden and she forgets she has a son and husband. I'm just gonna stop here. All I can say is I'm very disappointed in this. We must be in a multiverse or something. Anyway great vid as always and hope your doing well keep up the great work
Soon in the next Mass Effect: Wrex was never saved and instead Wreav survived, Genophage was not cured, Quarians no longer exist.
But we can select Shepard's and Rider romance option and which colour we selected at the end of ME3 (which will have no effect on the story since we will discover that Starchild lied).
I used that as an example not sure if you realized that or not that's why I said I'm going to stop there
The funny thing is that, the newest dragon fight, again made the Wardens the weakest group out there. These are people that kills dragons for a living, especially the blighted ones. But they are just so weak and stupid that only Rook is able to stop it.
Like why do you need to make Wardens paper soldiers? There are plenty of ways to make Rook great, other than putting down other established forces.
That pissed me off so much, My hero of Ferelden are not pushovers, and with an army of them, they would have taken down both dragons without breaking a sweat.
How can any trust the lore to be accurate when they are showing us that they don't care about Dragon Age as much as the fans.
I for one am thankful that I no longer need to give two shits about Morrigan.
Remember saving or killing Connor in Redcliffe? Imagine my surprise in my world state where I had saved him and he appeared in Redcliffe in Inquisition!!! I was absolutely floored and charmed. Imagine the further feelings I had when I went to side with the Mages and saw Connor kill himself instead of being possessed in the future flash forward...... Nothing like that here.
They had soooooo many years to develop this game and this is what they chose to do. Basically ignore all of our decisions and insult us to boot. What a damn shame. I was going to have to buy a Series X/S just to play this game, but this news has caused me to take a pass on this until I see it in the bargain bin. Maybe some other game will make me want to go current gen and Ill only buy Veilguard at a steep discount. Way to go Bioware. You just shot yourselves in the foot
Have you cheek out Exodus comes out sometime in 2026 you actually get goosebumps while watching the trailer even after the trailer haven’t seen or felt that in years.
Kingdom Come 2 releases in February of 2025, might scratch the rRPG itch.
The game takes place in Northern Thedas so I get why some decision don’t matter as they wouldn’t reflect within northern Thedas anyway, but if Morrigan and the Inquisitor is showing up then why can’t they squeeze in some unique dialogue choices regarding Morrigan and the Hero of Fereldan, Kieran, who drank from the well of sorrows etc??? I sent my Blackwall to Weisshaupt to become a grey warden. I guess he’s not showing up?
Because they are just pure nostalgia baits.
"Look here are some of the characters you know and like now give us money"
To the Northern Thedas point, the game still goes to Antiva, Nevarra, and the Anderfels, where the Orlesian Chantry has influence. To have no mention of the last decade of Divine rule when you also have Inqusition members on your team is pretty world-breaking for me personally.
@@luce1F seeing consequences of your actions propagated through time and affecting the lore/world is not nostalgia bait. No matter how small. Heck even a mention on a codex can be good enough. Nostalgia bait is to bring back characters that have no reference to a decision you made previously.
@@TheZealo that's what my point was. I am with you here.
I think Varric and Morrigan are only in this game as nostalgia bait and BioWare cares so little that they can't even take the time to let us flesh out these couple of characters using our previous choices. The only reason we are even finding out about this whole mess is because leaked it and BioWare had to come out and do damage control probably.
Considering the amount of blighted themes and enemies shown so far, I would argue the Hero of Ferelden would most certainly be doing something instead of sitting on their ass. The main conflict, while set in Northen Thedas, will no doubt effect the entirety of Thedas if it isn't dealt with, so I feel this is like a "all hands on deck" type situation where anybody with any skill, especially darkspawn knowledge like the HoF would lend a helping hand someway. I mean, if Morrigan is involved and is romantically involved with the Warden, then for sure he would be there alongside Morrigan. Of course, this assumes the HoF is alive.
This is a HUGE L to the company. Yes it helps 'new' fans but this is the FOURTH game in the series and bitching out on past actions is a pathetic way to honor the series.
The only countries that aren't affected by the political choices made in the South are Tevinter and Par Vollen, because of how isolated they are. The southern Divine is the Divine for Antiva, Nevarra, Rivain, and the Anderfels. Inquisition made a big deal out of this. Potentially we have a war monger on the throne of Orlais (Gaspard) who wants to expand the empire into neighboring nations. We have story threads from previous games that directly tie into 2 of the factions in Veilguard (Zevran trying to destroy the Crows, the warden contact/Hawke disappearing int Weisshaupt, and the HoF seeking a cure to the blight). If they wanted to keep limit the necessity to bring up choices in other games, they needed to limit the scope of Veilguard to JUST Tevinter and Par Vollen.
Actually no, Nevarra is not effected by Divine. They don't even follow the same laws or church traditions. The southern church is required by
law to burn their dead where Nevarra does not. There are no circles there either as they are a part of the Morne Watch.
@@Draconiangem The Divine is to Andrastianism what the Pope is to Catholicism. Nevarra is an Andrstian nation, and thus the Divine has influence there. The only Andrastian nation that this is not true for is Tevinter, who has their own Divine.
Nevarra does have Circles as well, most notable in Cumberland which holds the College of Magi, where first enchanters from accross Thedas meet to discuss Circle issues and is also the of the Grand Enchanter (see codex entry Circles within Circles in DAO)
So actually, Nevarra is literally the seat of power for Circle politics in Thedas. Who the Divine is would absolutely affect them.
I understand they can't keep every decision, no one was asking them to. But only 3 decisions is insane, like it would not be hard to have a decision about Morrigan having a child or romancing the warden in the character creation considering SHE IS IN THE GAME. Like they shouldn't have even included her if they were going to gut her character. They wanted to reboot the serious without telling the fans and only keep these cameos so they feel like "Dragon Age." It was a hollow attempt to make us feel like they haven't drastically changed the series.
This is just straight up sad...
Being a Bioware fan since Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 I'm insulted that they chose to get rid of player choice in their games. This is unacceptable. Why even play this game at this point? The next one wont take this one into account if this is what they are doing here. This is a slap in the face from the studio of my second favorite game of all time Mass Effect 2.
@@invaderjoshua6280 not to mention they had 10 years to get this game’s story right while Inquisition implemented dozens of previous game choices with only 3 years of development in a brand new engine. Sounds like a skill issue to me.
@@silverscion2144 I just learned today that they basically canned all the original staff from Bioware. Tons of the lead writers have been laid off. So I'm not even surprised anymore, and your completely right its seems like a skill issue from having non experienced staff remaining.
I'm honestly hoping this game just doesn't end with a cliff hanger so i can get some closer, and then it still dose bad sales wise and then EA just closes down this husk calling itself Bioware before they touch Mass Effect again. I just want my good memories intact at this point, and not tainted by their newer games in some of my favorite series. Its hard to play past games when I know what they end up as aka this and Andromeda.
If bioware can't make a game without ignoring past choices in a choice based game series. Then they should just wrap up the story as best as they can and move onto a new ip. I'd rather have a finale that wraps up our choices as best as they can than have games get more and more detached.
The more info that comes out on this game... ..the more I am convinced to wait for it to go on sale...
Or until Tim will give us the game for free on Epic...
Just hack it dude, don't endorse this piece of garbage by giving EA any money
Sale? I'm so angry I've decided not to buy it anymore. Screw 'em.
Feels like a massive slap in the face for the OG fans.
Like why even follow and love a series if they are going to do this
That is true for many of their choices
Exactly! I think this entire game has been a slap in the face for fans. Iv been disappointed by literally everything from the art, to the character models, to the cut from rpg elements and customization.
10000000000% the OG warden, Hawk, etc...the romance with Morrigan throughout the trilogy....ouch, this hurts.
Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
Very disappointed as a die hard DAI fan that my choices are going to be virtually ignored including the well of sorrows choice. Super lazy making us wait 10 years just to allow only 3 choices.
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I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt because its not complicated with no Dragon Age Keep to add a few more decision with a project that took 10 years and should be thoughtful.
@@AaronFuentes-gj6gv Stop being an apologist.
@@chargers0001 the well of sorrows was one of the most interesting moments in the whole game. It's insane how much of a cop-out this is.
@@JMel2012 I know right? Very disappointing.
We know that, but it doesn’t give them an excuse not to deliver what the games are known for. Also, ten years is a long time. They had plenty of years without the issues or excuses. I believe it’s either they didn’t care, or it was too hard for them to manage, considering the issues with Mass Effect and incorporating all the choices from past games. But they did it, and it was wonderful and beautiful.
Yay!!!! Only 3 choices!!! You are doing AMAZING Bioware!!! Keep it up please!! What’s next?? You should remove blood magic for Rook!…oh wait you already did that…then remove a companion from the party!…damn you already did that too…what about making every single species look like the human species but with horns and pointy ears and also remove the texture from faces too!!!…no way you already did! Damn you are SO AMAZING Bioware!!!!!!
I laughed, but it hurts🥺
We should expect the choices not changing that much too, we will get only one ending and that's it
Top surgery goty - IGN
I warned you all when they first said they weren't using the Keep. But I wasn't expecting the choices they decided were important enough for Veilguard would be a grand total of 3...
And Hulthen are you being threatened? Were you offered a position in the Council? Why are you making excuses for this downgrade and still 100% on board for Veilguard? I know you must realize DA2 made previous choices matter with 2 years of development, and what's more: if this is what they're doing with DA, what will they do with Mass Effect? "A little bummed out" is such a bad take...
If Bioware dies, his channel will die too. He knows that.
DA2 had just 1.5 years of development, Inquisition 3. EA was crunching old Bioware devs like crazy.
@@inquerion8867 I seriously doubt his channel would die. He can diversify and has done so already with things like BG3... If he goes where the good games are, he doesn't need Bioware at all... The council members on the other hand are married to Bioware and if Veilguard fails their channels die along with their credibility...
This isn't a bummer, this is a huge flaw in a game that's supposed to be about your choices. Nevermind the fact that this means Morrigan has now been reduced to a glorified cameo with her character development leading up to the series being non-existent, because your choices are completely ignored. If you know anything about Morrigan as a character, you must know what a big deal it is for her to be involved with the Warde and actually call them "My Love" and have a freaking son! These things affect you as a person and change you drastically, we even see that in Inquisition where Morrigan is ready to give away her body and soul for her son, which she'd never do in DAO because at that point she thought power and survival to be the most important things in the world. When you erase character's past and events that happened to them, you destroy a part of that character, it's as simple as that. Not to mention all the plot threads still up in the air that are now effectively abandoned. And all of this is made worse by the fact BioWare tried to hide it all.
Hey I'd say maybe we won't know until the game is out..? Like my advice be patient lad we won't know what's what until we get the game in our own hands who knows maybe there is but he's not saying it? Or maybe it's built in within the uh....dialouge system?
@@karandullet380 I assume you didn't read the IGN article where Epler specifically says only 3 choices from Inquisition will matter? There's nothing left to imagination here.
@@karandullet380it wouldn't make no sense for it to be in the dialogue option.
I had Alistair sleep with her. And my HoF is with him too.
@@karandullet380 Using this same lame excuse for everything is going to bring the downfall of gaming as if its not already spiraling out of control. "How about we wait and see?" How about you show me where the love and care for the game was put in during those 10 years, from trying to be so "representation and inclusive" and then excluding 90% of the Inky's that didn't have or want to have anything to do with Solas. Insufferable.
This is honestly a slap in the face. I have been replaying the games in anticipation of this game and now knowing that almost none of it matters, no Architect? No Morrigan romance and child? What? I wouldn't have believed you if you had told me six months ago that there would be so few choices.
I hate that the Dragon Age series don't have a unique identity. Every single game they change the art style or the game mechanics. It doesn't feel as connected as ME that's why it's so weird sometimes.
We will never get another trilogy like ME, because nowadays games take too long to be made and the passionate people that worked at Bioware aren't there anymore. Crazy that we got all 3 ME games in a single console generation, wish it could have been the same with DA, but I don't believe in the devs that are working on Veilguard.
Yeah, talentless hack lazy losers working at BioWare.
Had some people argue against me on this point when I said they are gonna totally dumb it down. Well here we are.
And hilariously, one of those choices is who the Inquisitor romanced. One of those romances is The Iron Bull, but his romance ends in one of two ways. He either betrays you in Trespasser, or he becomes tal-vashoth and stands by you. And there is NO OPTION in Veilguard to select which outcome you got! Ha ha ha! BioWare just assumes that if you romanced Bull, he is automatically tal-vashoth. I didn't see the other romance options, but I'm sure BioWare also botched the other romances that can be broken off by the romanced character. Cassandra could become Divine. Rainier could leave for the Wardens. Sera could end it with a Dalish elf who won't abandon her false gods. And I think Cullen could become a lyrium-addled bum, but I'm not certain on how that plays out if he was romanced.
Oh, and no option to select if your Inquisitor was a warrior, mage, or rogue. Ditto on the specializations like templar, rift mage, necromancer, or assassin. Which means the mage Inquisitor won't be using magic during his or her cameo, nor will the templar Inquisitor be negating any magic from any of the evanuris or Solas. Well done BioWare.
Also, BioWare is wrong about the Divine choice only affecting the South. The Southern Chantry is THE Chantry for ALL counties in Thedas except Tevinter, which has it's own. That means, the Divine of Orlais and Ferelden is also the Divine of the Anderfels, which is where Weisshaupt is. She's the Divine of Antiva, which is where Treviso is. She's the Divine of Nevarra, which is where the Grand Necropolis is. And yes, who is Divine should play out differently in regard to how each country views the Chantry. The Wardens might favor Leliana, since she favors Wardens, especially if romanced. Nevarra would favor Cassandra since she's a Pendeghast. Vivienne would not be shy about declaring an Exalted March to push the Qunari out of Antiva and possibly Rivain. Of course the Divine choice should have major impacts on the story. BioWare is just too lazy to code it.
And ironically, saying "letting the Chargers die was the wrong choice" is exactly what Veilguard just said, as I explained above. They assume you saved the Chargers if you romanced Bull. They forgot all about the choice of telling him to keep the Chargers in place even while still romancing him.
Yeah right. I don't trust anything BioWare says about the game. The choices will mean NOTHING. Like the choice between Lace or Neve. It's forced on the player, one or the other must be chosen, and that one always gets hurt no matter what. And so what if she gets hurt? I guess BioWare forgot about injury kits/potions too.
I think it's a huge mistake to skip over who drank from the Well of Sorrows and Ciarán's storyline as well.
another thing.... I think I'm more attracted to the Grey Warden with a rat-tail and mullet hairstyle than any of the companions.
I'm romancing Ghilan-nain. It's the tentacles
@@RandomWandrerbased, embrace the og, and fuck up the new cast lol
😂 I was thinking the same, the Grey Warden with the mullet looks way better than all the companions together.
It really isn't a Dragon Age game anymore then. It's pathetic really, how the developers thought this was a good idea. It takes away everything great about your own personal story. The immersion, worldbuilding is gone. I was willing to give this game a chance, but this is too much imo.
Sadly im done with DA. BioWare can cater to moderb auidence while the rest of us take our money elsehere. DA and ME Trilogy can live on in my memory
I preordered the game, but after seeing this news get confirmed, I refunded it, which is really a bummer. I've been waiting for ten years, and I don't think BioWare is gonna pull a ME3 Extended Cut and fix this shit, given how the devs are reacting (Mary Kirby and Patrick Weekes basically saying "careful what you wish for, we'll kill your favorite characters" for example). This is unacceptable. At most I'll watch a playthrough on UA-cam and then attempt to outwrite the devs, with my own world state consequences included, out of sheer spite
So nothing mattered in the others. Good to know. Complete BS
Idk about you but, the more they tell us they have taken away... the more I ask, how is this a ROLE PLAYING game.
Nah they had 10 years to make this game, 10 years. They could have made every single choice matter. And we get like 3 lol. I was trying to be possitive about this game but this is just big NO from me. Not going to buy it. And i saw many are going to cancel their preorder cause of this and rightly so.
Old talented Bioware veterans (which were fired by EA) made Dragon Age Keep choice system and Dragon Age Inquisition in just 3 (!) years 2011-2014. And they had to adapt Battlefield engine which was a lot of work but EA forced them to do that anyway.
These new guys had 10 years and A LOT LESS work to do and yet they failed completely.
@@inquerion8867 They also keep bragging about all of the dialogue lines in this game, but so much dialogue in previous titles was referencing past events we controlled. I think about how Cassandra talks to Varric about Kirkwall differently depending on whether Sebastian is currently occupying it. Sure he eventually becomes Viscount regardless, but that small difference mattered to me because my choice had a consequence for the characters I cared about. That won’t be possible in Veilguard, and the game will be far less immersive because of it.
I've played these games since they came out and the logic of NOT playing the newest one because of this makes zero sense to me. "A choice I made in a game 15 years ago doesn't effect the game I've playing now? Oh no, I'm not playing it" is such a weird stance to take.
Game wasn't in developing for 10 years
@@SirK1llington the logic is sound because Bioware games build their fan base on this specific mechanic. That your choice matters, and this is your game, and these world states that you set up makes this a more personal game for you.
When you go back on your own mechanic that build this fan base, don't dismiss the negativity that comes from it.
You don't mind it because you didn't care about your choices, you don't care if your Morrigan has a son, you don't care if your warden lived or died, you don't care about Varric's own personal choices that you made. Doesn't mean it doesn't matter to other people.
Just like how you probably don't care about Dragon Age Origins because to you its just another game out of thousands, but many played Dragon Age origins as their first introduction to the Bioware experience. So it doesn't mean Dragon Age Origins means nothing to these people or is just another game.
You might not get it, but we have thousands of RPG games out there, what makes Dragon Age and Mass Effect special is how each sequel is more of your personal game than just another game. This decisions of their to not continue down that same route ruined that immersion part.
Poor Hawk, after all I did to save him for Varric....
Also, does this mean that my Leliana, who died, and brought back for DA:I, is finally gone?
This feels much worse than the stupid SIM4 bighead characters
at least this solidified my decision of whether i was going to actually buy the game or just pirate it, thanks bioware 👍
This is honestly so inexcusable. I get that integrating all of those different choices is hard but things that are worth doing are hard and to just include 3 choices is absurd.
No excuses the previous devs were able to do it but I am hoping there's more choices it's just we are not being told about them since I saw 5 tabs up there
And none of them are about Morrigan. I can only hope she'll have memory loss, hence the terrible fashion.
I spent the last few months (don't have a lot of free time) creating a new canon world. I had a blast playing through everything again and don't regret it. This is a bummer that 90% of the choices I made will have no affect on DW
@@thatN7guy982 More like 99% , if you factor all three games. But you get 2 dragons lol
they missed the whole point of dragon age/mass effect games.
Its not a dragon age game its a generic arpg that uses tje dragon age name for peoples attention and this proves it... they dont care!
And, most people are easily brought by the con because "You have so many realistic hair options!" . Thats all i am seeing lol
Okay... sorry, I've been optimistic about this game
This is literally a deal breaker.
This is genuinely disconnecting me from the new game.
There are so many cool cliffhangers. Now they're just nothing.
yes
The copium for this is that characters like the architect will appear regardless if you killed him in awakening or not, cause he probably has corypheus' (and the old god's) power to transfer his soul/essence to another body, and Morrigan will either not mention her kid, or Kieran will just be default, and will be her kid, even if she did not have the kid with the warden/alistair/loghaine. Hawke will probably not be mentioned, nor will the warden or the king of ferelden etc.
I’ve been working on my world state for months and was in the middle of a Solavellan run in Inquisition. Knowing that almost none of the choices I made outside of my Relationship with Solas will matter is crushing. Time was wasted, but money will not be with this game.
This is the worst thing I've heard about the game so far and Bioware even tried to hide this, banning youtubers/journalists from talking about it. So Bioware knew this would be hated and tried to hide it for as long as possbile.
They purposefully waited until pre-orders started coming in. It's over for me. I ain't buying this game.
I'm... absolutely heartbroken; I was just playing through the games in preparation as I saw this video
Nope, I’m done.
I’m genuinely sick of BioWare, and their lack of transparency and communication. This game has been marred with problem after problem. Major talents leaving, terrible marketing, no promising gameplay, lackluster art direction, and now this? BioWare is known for allowing the players to shape their world THEIR way, and making your choices matter. It’s suppose to be OUR story to tell, and now you’re telling me that more than half the story that we were telling with our choices won’t even be present?
At this point, to hell with them. I’m not wasting my time, or money on this and I could not care less what happens to BioWare or Veilguard at this point.
I don’t mean to sound harsh, but I’m sick of the constant disappointments that the gaming industry keeps shitting out cause of greed and sheer incompetence.
Anthem, Andromeda, and now Veilguard. I’m finished with BioWare.
Hmm... the more and more I learn about this game the more dissapointed I get. Over ten years since the last DA installment and it feels like some things are moving backwards
The keep is wasted.
all those years of playing then Dragons keep added hope for new players now they are both pointless. just like being an unpaid intern
Hahahahahahaha!
Isn't this an exact opposite of what we were promised originally when the game was still in development?
Bioware is dead, just a rotting corpse is left.
TLDR Bioware: We're too lazy to import your choices and we're not as good as we were 15 years ago.
Except for 1 consultant, nobody that worked on Bioware 15 years ago still works there. Last few veterans like Lukas Kristjanson that worked there for 25 years or Mary Kirby were FIRED in 2023.
It's not the same Bioware.
@@inquerion8867 hope they get better jobs and better project because this bioware feels like gonna collaps if DA:V doesnt sell good
@@inquerion8867 No one is left? Also they had the balls to fire founding members of the studio?
Why should they?
@@wearecatyouarerat2802Considering DAI writers thought it good to have an elven inquisitor (even a first) have to ask morrigan about who the elven gods are and decided to unceremoniously disband the Ferelden Wardens, I will have to see what the newer team does first
Also at least Kirby wrote until the end of 2023, even created lucanis, so we don't know how much everyone was involved yet.
As a longtime fan of the series, this is completely unacceptable. John Epler said as a way to not invalidate everyones choices and have their choices mean more than a 'one liner', or 'cameo', they will just ... Not include any of them in this game. I had to sit back for a moment and truly wonder if they even understand their own fanbase or if this is some excuse to lazy writing.
How can you bring back Morrigan, the Inqusitior, and who knows who else, and just *NOT* give us the ability to decide what choices they made that would definitely alter their character. You're telling me they had no time to make a few conversation differences between a Morrigan who drank from the well, had a child, and has been possibly married for 20+ years at this point then over one who did none of those things? And what else are they going to vaguely walk around in dialogue from choices we've made.
You mean to tell me Morrigan will just not mention the HoF, you know, the last person in all of Thedas to defeat an archdemon and end the blight, WHILE a new blight is happening??? That, that storyline is just completely irrelevant to the game bc LoL SolAs?
And since Hawke cannot be mentioned at all. I guess every love interest from DA2 is either not in the game or just will pretend Hawke doesnt exist in their dialogue? And why are 2 of the 3 inquisitor choices from the last 20 minutes of a DLC???
If Sten is in the game he will make 0 mention of his time in origins, 0 mention of his thoughts on Kirkwall and the Arishok. There is more and more that I don't even want to think about because it will make me more upset.
One-liners and cameos are a STAPLE in Dragon Age games. Why would Bioware think we would choose NONE of choices being mentioned and our world states being non-existent over not having previous character mention something from their past.
When you tell us that our choices matter, we did not take it as your choices matter ONLY in your own mind and headcanon. I am done being excited for the game and they never should've brought back anyone except the elven Inquisitor who romanced Solas, because that is the ONLY choice in all the past 3 games that mattered apparently.
0:23 ok this is not dragon age, I can wait another 10 years
This is the death nail for me on this game. Three games worth of Decisions and years of investment, and I'm told to F OFF by Bioware. It's Mass Effect 3's ending all over again. Since their doing this to Dragon Age, I fear what they have plan for Mass Effect 5 now.
The more I see news about this game, the more depressed I feel
There are quite a few choices that could be left out in the keep, HOWEVER, some choices are too important, and even more so in the case some characters do show up again in DAV, for example, it would both be a bummer if Fenris (after the whole blue wraith saga) doesn't show up, or if he shows up and doesn't even know he romanced Hawke (who can even be lost to the veil). So yeah, there are several choices that could be expendable, but some are just way too important.
Fenris wasn't going to appear, because he could die in DA2, and they already say they didn't want to "conflict" themselves with that kind of characters, thus ignoring most of our decisions in the name of "respecting them" (mere excuses).
no one besides cameos for nostalgia will appear, so forget about leliana, cassandra, everyone from DAI and DA2 to appear.
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Bioware. You had 10 years and 1 job. I don't care if I have to wait a few more months, they should push back the date and fix this. 3 choices? Really? I have sneezes that were more significant. You say you're fans of these characters and choices but you sure don't practice what you preach. And it does feel disingenuous how you waited so long to drop this news. Should have been one of the first things you came out with and explained. Especially to those who have been waiting for years. YEARS my dudes.
Edit: Let me be clear, I wasn't expecting every character from DAI, DA2 and DAO to show up. That's ridiculous and a pain. But you can't be bothered to ask us questions about decisions we made in previous titles to just give us some codex to add to the lore we built? A few lines of dialogue depending on what we chose? Really? How is the OG Mass Effect series under the same roof? No one thought to ask them how they carried over all their decisions from game to game? Something they perfected more than 10 years ago? I'm supposed to believe it couldn't be done? If I can tell Conrad Verner that I don't work for Cerberus and to shut his pie hole in ME3; when talking to him was a fly by the seat of my pants decision in ME1 then you guys could be bothered to throw in a few lines of dialogue or some codex based on our decisions.
I was set on buying the game on day one but now I'm just going to wait and watch it being played to see if it's even worth it since it seems the 1000+ hours put into the previous titles mean nothing now.
Bioware: Your choices matter.
Also Bioware: Your choice is red, green or blue.
Bioware, still Biowaring.
It's super disappointing! I don't like the art style, combat and now my choices didn't even matter at all. You can clearly see that this game is made for new players and not us longtime fans. RIP to my Hawke that I sacrificed for Alistair and won't even be mentioned...
As someone whose favourite gaming franchise of all time is Mass Effect, I am definitely not getting this game. I don’t have faith in this new BioWare to do justice to Mass Effect anymore, it will end up being worse than Andromeda. I was already on the fence with this game with its art style and many other issues, but this is a slap in the face
Only three choices.... lol.
This game been so long in development that the developers forgot what they was making.
So the person who was left behind in the fade won't matter? This game was probably the best to explain their fate since the text displayed during that choice was "will LIKELY die" or something like that, should they die or depending on who you picked they survived and/or changed?
I just don't understand why bioware took this route.
There is no excuse, they had the time and the money, it's pure laziness.
Making no consequence to not ignore the past decisions is a joke for a company promising choice based games. They need to make consequences for every side player chose in past decisions, not to ignore the choice completely. If they don't want to make consequences so they should not make choices either. This is just a false promise. Expect same thing happening to Mass effect.
Gods, that's even worse than I expected and my expectations were quite... low... already.
THis game is giving me whiplash and it's not even out yet 🤣
I mean, meaningful world state options that SHOULD impact this game off the top of my head:
What happened to the HOF?
Did Alistair take the crown or become a warden?
Did you save Fenris and/or Anders in DA:2
Decisions/impacts affecting Dorian
Did Morrigan have a relationship with HOF or leave on her own?
Did Varrick become Viscount?
There are more, but these seem pretty damn important!
What about who drank the water of the Wheel of Sorrows and got the power and is controlled by Flemmeth?
What about Morrigans Son?
What if Hawk or Alistair stays trapped in the Fade?
What if the Grey Wardens are destroyed?
Does the Inquisitor still have both his hands? Mine didn`t...
Lazy game, no wonder they are dropping from $70 to $60, pretty sure this game is fairly short as well, I think no more than 30-40 hours of gameplay, since it`s only 3 acts and they are all linear.
I agree with you on most of this but I think Varric always becomes Viscount
Canonically Alistair is king because they published comics with him being portrayed as king. And Sten replaced the Arishok. I think Wynne is dead by this point. I haven’t been able to glean anything else.
@@abcdefghij337 Yeah I was talking about "our choices mattering". They made it abundantly clear this morning that those choices *don't* matter though.
@@goodcat3437 Nah Hawke could as well, adn I think (could be wrong about this one though) maybe Aveline. Hawke definitely could though.
John Epler's statement about past events not affecting the northern part of Thedas is utter nonsense! How exactly are you going to go to the main Warden stronghold DURING a DOUBLE BLIGHT while disregarding the person who stopped the last Blight, who is also without a doubt the most famous and important warden in their time? Really? So many other world altering events occurred in the past 3 games and the ONLY thing Bioware thinks is important is if you went after Solas, if you liked Solas, and if you quit your job as Inquisitor? All part of the Trespasser DLC, not even the main game itself. What nonsense! As a fan who started this series when it was new, this is too much of a disappointment to overcome. Completely killed my enthusiasm and interest in the game. VERY happy I found out before giving them my money!
The devs working on Veilguard actively despise the previous Dragon Age games. Every single interview, they make at least one comment about how awful the previous Dragon Age games were and how Veilguard will do it better. It's infuriating
I'm out. They are not getting my money
they also didnt know who zevran was - which is mind boggling - they either hate it or just never played it
I’m having a harder and harder time justifying buying this. It’s painful to say, but a lot of what was driving my interest in the game was nostalgia. I’ve enjoyed the previous games for the most part, but there’s more and more red flags that keep popping up. I honestly might save my money for Monster Hunter Wilds.
I hate it, with a passion. My Hawke was alive at the end of DA:I and she said she was going to Weishaupt, so I was kinda expecting to see (mentions) of her there.
Not only that: ALLL the other things! Kieran, Alistair, Divine Vicotria, etc.
I would rather have them make the game take place in the new age, where most of the details are lost in history and the bigger decisions just being codex entries than this.
Edit: I was already having a whiplash with my expectations of DA:V, but this made it hit rock bottom. I don't love the art style they went it, it's to smooth and makes the animation look weak, but I can live with it. I don't like the UI, but I can live with it and would probably play with mods on new playtroughs. I don't like the combat style and prefer something like Origins, but hey it was kinda obvious they would go this way and thus I can live with it.
But now this as well?!?! There is a limit to my "I can live with it" supply. I'm still going to play it and I hope the story and companions make up for it.
It will definitely not be (not by a long shot) the GoTY like some people are still saying it will be and I hope, really hope the game will be decent and enjoyable at least.
10 years for the keep to die like this..and they said they wanted to make the game offline and keep it built in. What a joke. Why did i even preorder
@@mrmasky9783 I don't mind the keep being gone, that much as long as we could carry over our choices. Thankfully I didn't preorder (BG3 was the only one and will probably keep that title). I will probably still play it on release, but this is the limit for me. One more drop and the bucket is overflowing and I'll pass.
Not buying the game is the most important choice you can make
This made me sad. So lazy... 😕
I don't understand why they hate doing their Job. Is it EA or the Stupid Developers?
both tbh. both only care for bending over backwards for ESG scores. Its not just EA, the "developers" also basically say these in interviews. that basically they are narcissistic and want to make a world to reflect with THEIR views.. hence the whole plot and universe as a whole just falls apart. which is why itll never connect with "old" games. That's what i think at least. if "developers" can ruin universes like LOTR, Witcher, house of the dragon (s2), im pretty sure ruining Thedas is a walk in the park for those people. Not to mention the former examples are already established and masterfully written universes that those devs were supposed to "adapt". Even though they are not the "same" devs.. they are more or less clones.
I am gonna keep my words to myself until I play the game I hope there is more I saw bloody 5 tabs so there must be more
I understand its asking for much for all of our previous choices to be reflected in a new story but only 3 is just disrespectful
Oh and my inquisitor was a big body tough looking qunari and now is gonna be a puny human body qunari ugh
The hype for this game is... nonexistent.
If the poor art choices didn't sink this thing for me (those Dark Spawn are... horrendous), the fact they've invalidated my prior 3 games, whether they use nice language about it or not, isn't going to fly. They needed this game to do big numbers, and there have been so many game-design choices in this thing that just are repellent, that they've sunk their chances of making this game profitable. The best they can hope for is that its not a complete flop, and just turn out a disappointment.
This makes me angry. I've stuck by Bioware because of my love for Mass Effect and Dragon Age, but this really feels like a huge kick in the face. If Veilguard flops, then I actually hope Bioware gets shut down before they can ruin Mass Effect.
EA will just move ME to a different studio and milk it for all its worth anyway.
Yeah, let them burn. This is the biggest ever betrayal to the fan base.
I feel like the architect should be important since he was trying to make self aware darkspawn and splinter off from the call of the arch demons.
Also, I did not like the art style of DA Inquisition. The environments were cool, but armor and character design did not do it for me. The only armor models I found looked good were Blackwall's armor. And don't even get me started on character personality. I'm talking about you, Sera
I really dislike when they try to rationalize away that they can not respect the lore and personal choices of the player because they have a lack of storytelling skill and imagination.
Kieran being possibly irrelevant is insane to me like wtf and the well of sorrows aswell ? I hope they canonize some of the events and stick to them at least.
Worried this game will fail hard enough to ruin the future of Mass Effect
Me too bro, me too...
If this game would be a win, the next mass effect will have the same crap in it
I'd rather let dragon age and Mass Effect die than have it made for the "modern audience" filled with modern day politics
@@DedhavenBro bugger off. There's enough here to criticize and you people always bring it back to culture war shit no matter what
@@Dedhaven You people are so annoying. There's enough here to criticize and you endlessly bring it back to the culture war jfc
The developers have made so many idiotic decisions with this game that it's the last nail in the coffin.And you're still trying to excuse them.If it was such a good sequel to the previous episodes, there wouldn't be a need for this.
This really sucks for us big DA fans who probably did multiple playthroughs of previous games to get their world state just right as we wanted. At least, it seems that Female elf is the canon Inquisitor in this and since she doesn't have dalish tattoos anymore that means she romanced Solas and allowed him to remove those and as someone who's Inquisitor was a female dalish elf who romanced solas at least that's something i have to look forward to
Every time I entered Dragon Age Keep to update my world states, it always made me excited, making me wonder how all this different choices from the three games would affect the next one... As soon as I heard that Veilguard doesn't use the Keep, I knew that they made a linear story with no impact from previous game choices... Listen I was coping so hard that mods or patches would fix some of the visual/gameplay aspects, but it's near impossible to save the essence of Bioware which always been the narrative. I was really hoping that Bioware might succeed and get back on its feet, but to be honest? I now pray that they sell their IPs. I personally feel that Bioware won't sink after this one, but if they do... DA and ME don't deserve to die alongside their studio...
I'm pretty disappointed in this I'll be honest. I don't care much about the larger decisions we made in the previous games - we're in a different location, largely unaffected by previous choices. Even the divine - all three options are called Divine Victoria, and they'll most likely stay in Orlais. However, I am upset that more personal decisions didn't carry through. For example, has Varric's best friend been dead for 10 years, or have they been happily retired? I think those would be two different Varrics, maybe subtly, but still different. Morrigan as well, is she a mother? Did she find true love? Or was she stabbed and almost killed by someone who had been an ally? Those would be different Morrigans. Was the Inquisitor friends with Solas, but still vowed to stop him at all costs? Or did they hate that bastard? Those are the nuances I feel loss for.
However, after introspection, I've decided that I'm still excited for the game. I know it's different for other people, but my enjoyment of the series has always been about meeting a new set of complex, compelling companions, and going on a fantasy adventure with them. The cameos were always nice because I liked checking in on old companions, but I don't require it to enjoy the game, and I have no reason at this point to believe there will be anything wrong with the self contained story of this game.
(I am a little extra sad that this game was probably our last chance to see Zevran in action again, given that the man has to be around 50 in universe at this point. However, I will simply have to cope.)
I totally get that they're not using direct saves imports and stuff like that. I can even understand if they don't want to use the keep (though it's a bit weird that they aren't). However, why wouldn't they take this opportunity to have designed the game such that we'd get a standalone character creator AND utility to make a number of choices. It's such an incredibly easy win. Even if you are a new player, you might still really love the character generator - look at Dragon's Dogma 2 for example. It would just be such a great bundle for new and old players.
To add, I think this would make more sense if they weren't continuing the story in the world.