My discord polls are generally a fairly small pool of about 250 people. I do them by listing out the character names and people vote usually with a simple thumbs up or down to relay their opinion. It's mostly just a fun engagement thing there, but sometimes I decide to make a video from those stats if I find it interesting. From my experience interacting with people there it varies from people who play every day to people who don't play the game at all anymore. Maybe that makes it less accurate, maybe more, I'm not sure? The outcome certainly surprised me at multiple points. I enjoy these stat based lists now and then because it's a nice break from always using my own opinion, which is of course subjective - this feels a little more objective. Appreciate the reaction and crediting me and whatnot. Hope you feel better soon 👍
I'd like to see how many people responded to the polls, and if some killers were large outliers. If a bunch of people ignore a poll, it could be they have less strong feelings etc.
im in his discord, on average, 200-250 people voted in this specific poll for each killer (some killers had less votes, because im assuming people didnt feel strongly enough either way to vote at all, this was certainly my case, i voted for like 6 or 7 of them, because i dont particularly like or dislike facing a huntress for example, and there was no "meh" option) @@LibertyMonk
In today's video, Scott Jund discovers that the DBD community is considerably larger than himself and the average skill level is much lower, resulting in a generalized opinion much different to his own. This revelation truly is a plot twist unlike any other.
Or in a less professional way 'in today's episode of Scott Jund reacts, he learns that most of the community has a skill issue' I do too so full shade to all of us ❤
Demogorgon is uncommon enough now that most survivor mains don't see them often enough to have built up many complaints. The Killer isn't so heavily a part of their daily experiences that it still feels new to a lot of them.
I think that's also why trapper has a relatively high 'to face' rating, I barely see trappers these days but when I do it's always like coming across a mythical creature in the middle of the woods
It's kinda funny how often you would go against a Demogorgon in the low mmr and he completely disappears as you climb up. I came back to DBD after a two year hiatus lol.
@@cryguy0000and that also males them funnier to play. Good killers can be rought if You play them on a row, because survivors don't underestimated them.
The reason people love going against Trapper is because the moment they realize they are going against one, they have like a 80% to absolutely steamroll the Trapper.
Same is applied for Legion not being as hated as some people portray them. In reality they are just as easy to outplay and defeat since they have pretty much nothing.
I like playing as doc because thanks to his addons you can experiment a lot. It's not really about the game itself more about the preparation before the game even starts
Make your choice is fun with him because if you wait outside for the perk to activate and have your ability its like a countdown to see if the unhooker can survive for 60 seconds
Honestly i haven't played in a long time but my favourite matches to watch Scott play were totem Doc. I don't know how it is with all the new totems but his older 5 totem build was so fun to watch. Easily my favourite till singularity came out.
On the knight specifically, you're correct about the micro managing part. I like playing knight, but I NEVER play him in the "drop guard on loop, win loop" style. I play him like a M1 killer that can be in two places at once, sorta.
what a stupid comment. experience definitely plays a huge role in topics like these because you're not gonna find the same stuff fun at 500 hours as you are at 5k hours. @@CrystalMang0
Are you and crystal really both this dim? Man literally made a "Scotts opinion vs Average player opinion" joke. What are you even trying to argue? I sure hope neither of you have kids; By the age of 4 they'd already be smarter than you.@@Antarctide
Doctor is fun not because his power is good, but because he has built in information. You don't need any information perks to find your next chase. He removes mental load of finding your next chase completely, and his power works well enough in chases.
Yeah, it's kind of the same with Artist. The power covers both information gathering and chase. So it frees up four perks that you can use to run whatever you feel like. You can be boring and run four slowdowns, or you can run some meme things if you don't particularly care about winning and just want to do the silly thing.
When you get Wesker in 11/10 games, but you only get Demo whenever a new season of Stranger Things releases, playing against demo is going to be way more fun.
Ive noticed 3 things watching this. First its clear that the theming of the killer matters alot. People find it fun to go against cool charecters or ones that have interesting theming. Second this seems to actually take into account how it goes for lower skill players on both sides. A killer like spirit is insane for low skill survivors to go against and having to rely on sound could suck for the killer as well for instance. Also thirdly I think scott always assumes the killer hes fighting is playin to their most try hard and doing the optimal strats. This also makes me feel scott has "lost touch" with the average player given hes both a streamer and has thousands of hours. Back on killers the killers dont always play the best strat anyway but also most players arent playing at a skill to do that. Imagine ranking survivor gameplay but you have to assume they are playing optimally always on gens and what not. Ill never not be amused the strongest way to play survivor doubles as the single least fun way to play them.
I personally really like to play as and against Doctor and Clown because of their laughs, for Doc it is really satisfying hearing their screams as you are just laughing and when you face him, the chills of hearing static blast charging is an amazing feeling. For Clown, I find it funny when he laughs or makes Ugh! when vaulting, it really fits him. But my favorite killer is the Oni, as a survivor I am literally scared seeing him dashing at abnormal speed directly at me or even just hearing that scream in the distance as well as when playing him it feels like you are a giant brutal force filled with rage. I see Scott frequently judging a killer based on mechanical skill, while I believe that for average playing it is one of the least interesting factors whether a killer is fun or not. The fact that Skull Merchant has almost 30% in fun to play says that a lot (I also like her but don't play much, probably will change after the rework, it is amazing). Her power is not something about dodging, graphical tells or some SFX, her power is used to outsmart the opponent by placing the drones at effective places and luring survivors into your clenches.
I think this is the case with a lot of peoples' opinions on the game. Like, I know there's an optimal way to play a game, and to a point I actually think that's valuable, but sometimes, idk man, it's just not as fun to be like "well, A happened, so B must now happen, followed by C" as if every interaction in the game happens in a vacuum. The chaos that is varying skill levels and weird little things different players do is what makes DBD fun and funny as well. Not optimally running a TL wall as god intended or something. Edit: Maybe I should add that I do also kinda think optimally running the TL wall is fun too, but like if the whole game were a series of flowcharts to follow in every situation with no adaptation involved, I do think that people would find that stale. Even when the "variety" they're encountering is something frustrating, I do think people would do well to imagine what the game would be like if it were only their favorite killers to go against, and that would include the people that would likely quit playing if they were facing Wesker and Larry every game. This isn't really meant to hit anyone in the community like I'm telling them to feel differently, of course, but I do think the DBD community has a weird relationship with understanding that not everything they play against in any game is something they personally will enjoy. Others might think it's super fun as well, and of course the agency and enjoyment of the killer player matters as well. I'm like the only person in my friend group that finds Spirit to be fun to play against. The rest of my friends just gripe the entire time. We also have a myriad of killers that we have varying opinions on depending on the person. I fucking hate facing Hag, my other friend thinks its fun, etc. Another addendum is that while I know gameplay SHOULD come first, and a lot of people value that hard mechanical gameplay element feeling solid, aesthetics matter for a lot of people. The alien chapter is my favorite yet because I love the atmosphere the xeno brings into the match, even though a lot of people absolutely hate the tail. Meanwhile, I think a large part of why skull merchant is such a failure is that she is a failure in both game design AND aesthetic design. Some people really like it, but the vast majority found "vanilla" skull merchant to be extremely lackluster in looks, lore, gameplay, mori, etc. She would absolutely receive hate for her actual power design and stuff, but I do think she wouldn't be as reviled by the community if she was at least "cool" or something. Knight's a pretty good example of the opposite. His power is also problematic in ways (less so now, at least imo, but I do get how zoning can be pretty sleeper) but he looks cool and has a sword. A friend of mine literally told me while watching me play "that's the killer I'd play, because they look like a Dark Souls boss" and I was like "Oh, everyone hates this killer actually lmfao"
@@brad1426 I can assure you that if Knight wouldn't have that horn when the hunt begins or if companions wouldn't scream when finding a survivor, he would be less played. Details like these matter a lot.
@@Grafii2198 Right? Doctor's giggle is S Tier. Having immersive (god I hate that word but it do be like that) gameplay for me way overweights whether I do super well with them. People often say Fun = Winning, but you never see them have fun because they won. And yea Scott genuinely cannot wrap his head around people liking different things or playing in different ways than him. He has good takes and is pretty grounded, but he thinks his opinion = fact.
People really hate playing against Plague because of her ability to null and void the healing mechanic altogether. Lots of people run healing builds only to end up being essentially perkless the whole match. Also, Doctor is fun to play because his silly laughs and ability to make people scream lightening the mood since so many survivors have goofy ass screams. Also also, Wesker should have been at the top. His chase theme alone is absolutely awesome.
The reason I personally don't like playing against plague is the same reason I don't like playing against legion..... most of the time, the people who are playing these killers don't actually want to chase and down survivors. They'd rather get a "free" injure state then actually go find and chase a survivor. Same reason why killers will hang around the hook.... why go and find survivors when you can just stand in the same spot and they're eventually come to you? lol. Either way, it feels like they're avoiding the entire point/purpose of the game - and I'll never really understand why people load up to play killer in dbd, and NOT want to chase survivors..... it's kinda the whole point, lol.
Yeah, seconding the opinion on Plague. Somehow I always end up getting Plague when I've decided to run a full altruistic healing build, and my perks are basically completely nullified. It sucks. It would suck slightly less if items weren't consumable, but knowing I wasted a medkit and addons for no reason is just awful. And of course the solo queue experience of your teammates cleansing every time they're a little sick to give her free Corrupt Purge 5+ times.
Some of the confusion stems from the mindset of someone playing to be competitive versus someone playing to relax. I've found comp players don't understand the mindset to the point of not even believing people would play to 'switch off.' It's like the old RTS genre - famous for Starcraft micro plays, but the vast majority of people just liked slowly making a pretty base and building up an army they liked. Applying that to DbD, people like playing killers that may be "boring" but let them enjoy having agency doing something engaging, or that let them play out a power fantasy. The most popular killers tend to be ones that have telegraphed "skill shot" type attacks because they're not only effective, but feel good to land and feel good to dodge. Survivors like barely matrix dodging out of the way of an attack. People love playing against new Billies not specifically because they escape, but because it stimulates that feeling of giddiness when barely outrunning the "It" kid when playing tag, and their fingers are an inch from your body. Most killers just down you the second they get in range or place their power, so there's no back and forth at all besides the act of looping. The most popular killers will always be "skill shot" designs like this, because they give you both that feeling of barely escaping and skillfully landing a risky move.
This video is really interesting to me. In the video it can show how someones view might be totaly different then those of others. Facing artist, enjoying playing the doctor are good examples in this one. It makes you question why. Maybe it might even spark some new ideas and set them in a different light. ''We are stuck in our ways'' of sorts. So these lists tend to shed some new light upon things at times.
Well most player focus on the killer power and judge the killer base on there power, but sometime it just the simple things player love a killer, like the design and sounds, Scott for example doesn’t like Legion he says they’re boring, but there are ppl like me who just love Legion bc I get to run and stab ppl, I just enjoy the overall design of Legion even tho they’re not anything unique they’re just cool lol.
Legion is fun for me because i love the concept of hitting someone and sprinting past them like you just dont give a fuck, heading off to go find their friends. Like a "wait here ill get you later". Thats my personal enjoyment with legion
Same for me, and very rarely when you do get that 5th hit? It's just the most satisfying thing in the world. I run spirit fury enduring with the yellow tape addon and when you get that frenzy hit, into the not so pallet stun, into the second hit, just to go back into frenzy to go get their flashy save friend waiting in the wings is always a good time.
Legion's just a very low bandwidth killer to play for me. A simple power that's satisfying even without a skill element, built in slowdown and info, and mostly plays around fundamental skills. He just cuts through a lot of the usual stress of playing killer.
You have to consider that the poll was just "Yes" or "No" for each side and killer. Imagine Killer A is absolutely loved by 80% of the community on both sides and 20% find him mildly annoying while Killer B is ok for 90% of players and 10% hate him. Using the ranking of this video Killer B would be the more fun killer. If you would instead allow players to rank killers on a scale of 1 to 10 and then calculated the average Killer A would most likely win.
You really don't want more than three (four tops) options on an opinion poll, or you run into issues like some people intentionally amplifying their voice by only voting 1s besides their favorites getting 10s. Or the opposite, where 5-star is the default, and 4-stars is what you rate someone who killed your firstborn. What isn't shown is the fact that "did not respond" is a thing people can do. I'd like to see if some of these killers had less responders etc. Not responding can be interpreted as "don't care" or "haven't formed an opinion yet".
@@LibertyMonk Maybe you could implement "rank choice voting". Most importantly I wanted to point out that the poll heavily favours killers that are just "fine" for the most amount of players which is why Demo won I think. I think for "play as" Blight would have easily won against Demo (which should be obvious when you see how many Blight players exist when playing) if the poll worked differently, but there isn't much to dislike about playing Demo while Blight is more mechanically intensive which is a reason to dislike playing Blight. There is definitely use in a poll like this, but especially for "play as" it is much more important how many players love a killer than how many players find a killer ok because you have so many different killers to choose from and you don't need to play every killer.
Last pinhead I played against was probably a month ago and it was clearly his first time and he was obliterated. Messaged him after the match and tried to encourage him because I know how hard those chains are to aim. He appreciated it and said "it was my first match, and I'm never playing him again"
Like Scott, Trapper confused me... Cause he is insanely satisfying to play for literally just getting one proper good trap, but against? In chase he is basic af, and outside of chase its just "Look at grass... If there is grass on the map"... Also, Scott, you miss the ultra-satisfying, rare situation of getting 5 hits in power. Its really fun, even just for that, having power that is literally just going fast is just nice, i don't care how bad.
@@glacialghost5041 Suppose, but that depends on a map. Like 90% of maps the traps are plainly visible now, making him just man with machete that sometimes blocks loops... And second part was about Legion :D
I think that these polls are a far better representation of how survivors perceive their chances against each killer than how much fun they find versing their ability
That's what I was thinking. 😂 Trapper was damn high, and it's a coincidence that his power is harder to use now a days. Man, people are so full of crap.
Doctor is fun to play as u get the satisfying mindgames of an m1 killer while having options to beat certain annoying setups. Aswell as having good info from power gives you some satisfying decision making instead of gambling on survs locations.
I think a lot of the player base also doesn’t know how to effectively play against plague so she probably can feel oppressive to players that cleanse go for the unhook on the sick survivor and cleanse again, so she has power all game. In my lobbies there’s usually one player that cleanses soon as they get sick and the three of us are injured dodging power plague the whole game
An important thing to remember about these placements is that, as far as I'm aware, the questions were only "Are they fun to play/play against?", rather than "How fun are they from 1-10?" When looking at killers like Nemesis, very few people would say he is not fun to play against, and him being licensed definitely has something to do with that. And with Demo being above Wesker, it's not saying that Demo is more fun, rather that less people find him not fun. There probably aren't as many people who absolutely love playing as or against Demo as there are for Wesker, but due to him being rarer, unable to obtain, and potentially a more popular license (I know many more ST fans than RE fans) he is disliked by less, and thus higher. Nobody complains when they get Demo. Some people complain when they get Wesker, due to his pickrate.
@@JakeobEyeah but ppl don’t sweat vs billy because bro is so annoying trash that anyone who has dedicated time to get good we want to keep them around 😂
Gamers that don't use headphones due to tinnitus (like me) HATE going against spirit due to being at a complete loss of where and what her proximity is to us. On top of walls blocking her phasing sounds a lot of times, and her sound being so lagged behind where she truly is due to speed add-ons, playing against her is pretty stupid (even with headphones). She should be visible in a glitchy and slightly delayed form in phase to survivors.
@@parasails4770 If I don't want to progress my tinnitus and cause worse and more permanent hearing ringing/loss by the time I hit 30, I def cannot wear headphones anymore. It's undiagnosed, but if your ears start to hurt, and develop the ringing, you should def take some precautionary measures, like me. You're also not rude or ignorant for asking.
Deathslinger is super fun to play against. The constant tension of never knowing when he's going to shoot or what he might shoot through/over, the back and forth mind games of trying to out predict each other or trick them into making a mistake... Like, Deathslinger is the only killer where you can hold W in a straight line for the entire chase and still have to make one or two decisions per second to avoid getting hit.
Its cool how much of people's stances are more about feels and vibes than coherent design. Like yeah, nemesis is maybe a bit frustrating with his oppressive whip and braindead zombies, but he makes you feel like a hulking unstoppable bioweapon and thats what people want in the end
Honestly skull merchant can be fun, I love not having to care about certain things and that I can just be an M1 killer that has decent leverage on survivors, free no counter tracking, stealth, a bit of speed. And her drones get free hits which is just nice.
Same reason people love playing against Billy: the bully factor. If you’re good enough he will never instadown you so he’s essentially just a M1 killer
My only take is that a lot of no life dbd players have a very different perspective that a majority of the playerbase. I agree most of scots take, but a lot of my non obsessed friends actually enjoy skull merchant. Thats just one anecdotal piece of evidence, but it is the feeling i get from most of this.
People dont like Skull M for 2 reasons. 1. She is no slouch, you cant f around with her. 2. Shes not The Predator like folks speculated. 😂😂😂 I be crushing with her most of the time.
Micromanaging is the only effective way to play knight in my opinion. Dropping guards in the chase make sense only if you play the double axe, otherwise.... meh... if the surv is cornered ok, otherwise the survivor is going to move... Much more effective to chase Dwight and keep Meg busy with a guard or a gen with a lot of progress blocked. it is about managing resources.
Love going against Knight, Deathslinger, and Pinhead (aside from the box cuz solo queue I'm usually doing it the entire game). And Legion is one of my favorite killers to play because there's very rarely any down time where you're looking for survivors. It's constant pressure and I absolutely love it edit: I also hate playing as Blight. There's so many locations where you'll dash and just run in place because the thing you tried to bump into doesn't count as a wall. Most notably with tires
People like Trapper cos they get to play Prison Break trying to liberate someone from Basement. Doctor's because you get to make people scream all game, having a match with Ash or Steve is hilarious.
knight player here, the fun part of knight is hearing your guard scream at a survivor and having both of you chase that survivor, sells the feeling of being like a pack of wolves hunting down your prey, cant say much about playing against since i dont play survivor that much and from what i have played knight is definitely one of the more tolerable killers to play against
@derrian6969 same and in fact a bigger percentage of Knights I've gone against been downright maddening than SMs. But I chalk it up to getting lucky against SMs and getting very unlucky against Knights.
I like Blight, but I haven't memorized the hitboxes of every object in the game, so usually when I'm rushing and about to slam onto something, I have no idea if I'll actually slam onto it, or if I'll just slide off of it like it's coated in 2 tons of butter. I get that there's some objects that are notorious for being slippery, like the logs and tree stumps on Swamp and cars in general, but there's a bunch of other stuff and inconsistent bullshit with hitboxes that gets me frustrated when I play Blight sometimes. It just feels like crap when I'm chasing a survivor, and then I plan a route I'm going to go with my rushes, then I execute the plan, only to get stuck or slide off of the object I ran into, despite running face first into it. Then I go into cooldown, and the survivor gets more distance on me.
6:13 Scott, it's pretty simple: survivors love free escapes. So they love going against the weakest killer in the game. Edit: oh, nvm, based chatter got me
15:05 Legion is fun to play because they feel close to "default dead by daylight", like wraith. That's how I feel towards both of them anways, and I love them
Also think that most licenses are put higher cause it's this awesome feeling of like omg I can play as and against Nemesis and all the others you know?
18:40 man I still remember back like 6 years ago when I first played dbd and played it like it was a horror game. Most fun I had and ever will have in dbd. Nothing like hiding from the killer and getting scared when getting chased.
As a Doctor main it feels pretty rewarding to get an on point shock that denies a pallet drop or window Vault cutting a chase in half. Sadly a lot of tiles in their set up really does not reward using your shock correctly.
Wesker would be fine to play against if you didnt start gaining infection right away off hook and Wesker didnt get notified when you spray yourself. Its too easy to get tunneled off hook and punished for doing well in chase by getting fully infected.
Its important to remeber this was a yes/no vote, and not a qualitative one. So a killer like demo who might be EVERYONES #4 or #5 favourite would rank higher than a killer that people have stronger feelings about.
im glad scott said it, because the micromanaging style of knight gameplay is so fun to me, i never understood the simple and boring "drop at pallet" style
I feel like nostalgia is why demo is rated so highly but its also possible that people really don't like weskers hindered which from what I can tell seems to be most peoples complaints with him as a killer
That and 50% infection after unhooks. I'd say half of the Weskers I face tunnel just because he is so well built for that. Thats why he's ons of my least-favorite killers to face. Very fun to play as though.
I also think your perspective on doctor is flatly wrong because your experience of playing him is limited. The constant shocking is the basic playstyle, when you're good enough with him to time is properly to force error then it becomes fun, which is practicably possible.
You described why I really like Knight perfectly. I love the micro management of him. Being able to hold two chases at once or kick a gen mid chase is really fun and rewarding when it works. Also, Slinger is genuinely the most fun killer to face for me. It may be bias since I love Slinger and main him, but he’s extremely fun to face, much more so than Huntress imo.
I play myers now since the DLC. I came to DbD because of him and i always thing the Tombstone mechanic is fun. Because yes it can be powerful. But it changes the game.. its always an option that he can have it and be dangerous. Last game is faced him i thought: He didnt pop t3 for a long time?!... . I was just saying to my mates in discord.. NO MYERS DONT DO IT! Because they fact alone..that i could be.. makes him scary. .. And scary is was i enjoy.. (Btw: mirror myers enjoyer of all maps)
I like versing trapper just because of how errie you feel while walking around, and how anxious I get while being chased. Even if I don't even see a trap, it just feels spooky.
i cant believe that after all the time wesker is realeased people arent absolutely sick of him, nowadays i switched from DCing against nurse to DCing against wesker because all these players ever do is tunnel the fuck out of someone right off hook with 4 gen perks, its literaly worse than pyramid head, they should honestly insta cleanse infection when you get hooked, because the hooked survivors having to spend time getting healed and getting the infection off is just absolutely incredible, i get that Pig has the same mechanical component there but with pig its different in the way that you can have time before it gets a serious problem, with wesker its basically your saviour heals you and you are already almost fully infected, which is an instadown when he gets you again, so unless you already have a spray on you at the time its absolutely abyssmal to go against
I think licensed killers got a big boost just because of there name. Imagine a killer designed like Freddy but without Nightmare on Elm Street! Probably would be lower than Skull Merchant at that point.
Trapper I could see it being a sort of high tension type thing. Some people love that feeling of stress. You got a good route, looping him well, aaaand you fell for his trap.
4:05 Scott, you are forgetting that Spirit relies on audio for both sides, and there are people with hearing impairments that make playing against/as Spirit really difficult and unfun.
6:25 Can't speak for anyone else, but the inherent comedy of either you, the trapper, or a teammate stepping on a trap makes any game versus him hilarious to me.
Tell me you've never played Artist without telling me you've never played Artist. She gets slowed down while using her crows, her being anything less than 115% would not work.
@@Hoosje11 You mean that like 0.02 seconds of a slight slowdown naturally they would have to mess with her add ons and buff her to compensate for the speed decrease
at some point, we will get "asmongold reacts to reaction youtubers" and feature scott, then scott may react to it and we finally break the system and get scott infinite popularity! edit: keep doing it scott, i LOVE it and its some of the most chill time of my day, when i can watch some of your reactions. do whatever you want, enjoy your time and hopefully youll create even more videos of such length!
I’m gonna be honest I love playing against trappers because mind gaming each other and just being super alert with your surroundings is just so fun to me. Also running into his traps is sometimes so funny.
When I was new to the game, Doctor was easily my favorite killer to play as by a mile. Constantly harassing the survivors with shocks, seeing the hallucinations they are having to endure, and of course never needing to wonder where to go. My original build when I still had very few teachables unlocked included Whispers+Distressing, and I will say consistently landing a full team shock was a special kind of euphoria.
I hypothesize that for some killers, the music of all things is what makes people enjoy them more. With Pyramid Head, yes zoning killers kinda suck to face, and having a power that allows for tunneling is irritating... but also, the atmosphere his terror radius gives is very unique, and his chase theme sounds like you're in a boss fight. I think this hypothesis may be supported by the fact he's directly followed by Dredge is this list, and as your chat pointed out, he's very atmospherically interesting. Same probably goes for the Resident Evil killers.
Not speaking for his discord server, but I wouldn't be surprised if they disliked playing Bubba because of the messed up hitboxes on the maps and how they can cause you to tantrum. You can run into the smallest bush and tantrum because you hit a microscopic twig.
As a Legion main I can tell you few reason why I love playing Legion. One: Legion is really simple and I like simple killers. When I play dbd I dont want to overthink so I dont want to play killers that work my brain to hard like Hux or something plus you dont need to learn techs with legion like you do say Wesker. Two: I love the feeling of bounce between surivors and getting faster each time I hit them. Then if you can get that 5th hit down it feels so good and amazing. Yeah it doesnt happen all the time but I usually can get a 5th at least once every match. Three: I just love the idea Legion is techally 4 diffenet charaters and I can chorse to play as any of them just base on the outfit I want to use. I know this doesnt have much to do with gameplay but it is part of the reason why I love love love Legion.
I think Scott is so shocked at these placements because he just assumes every killer plays in the lamest way possible. Scott would choose disliking facing Pyramidhead because when he thinks of Phead he assumes the killer is just going to zone you away from every pallet and tunnel you off the cage. And yet for some reason he seems to ignore these issues when it comes to Huntress, who is arguably better at both zoning, camping, AND tunneling. The people that choose to like facing Pyramidhead choose that option because when they think of Pyramidhead they think of dodging shockwaves and FOV-teching.
I remember partaking in these polls. The reason why bubba was so low was because as i discussed with the other people he did not feel rewarding to us. It’s just ref chainsaw and insta down, or you bump and then you are basically a potted plant in how much you can do.
I think deathslinger is that high because it never feels super unfair to go against him and you have a few more option then you would against something like a nurse.
4:51 pretty much hit the nail on the head on why I find Knight enjoyable. I like doing weird pathings and micro managing to "feel" like I'm smart. Instead of doing the actual smart, but boring thing of "drop guard at loop, repeat til I lose or win".
I enjoy playing Knight for the Micromanagement reason. I don't usually send guards on the survivor I'm chasing, maybe at the start but that's about it, and tend to either send the guard into other Survivors nearby or to break things. Or send the Assassin to a Gen I'm heading to to delay them repairing it for me to push them off of it and such. Using the Guards as an assist or Secondary Chaser or Area defense feels more enjoyable than double Attack Chase. Although ive had some fun as Survivor having both hunt me down together like a Hunting Pair
I personally love facing Deathslinger because he's my most played killer. Once you get a good sense for the timing of his ADS and reload, and also which shots he can/can't hit, chases become much more dynamic and two-sided
Going against a good Wesker is fun. I do not get to go against good Weskers, so I get to not interact with the game as either I sit on gens the entire time or get to sit on hook the entire time
For going against Nemesis, I actually really like the element of randomness the Zombies provide. How well you can adapt to randomness is honestly one of the most useful skills you can have in this game. Being able to think and change *macro* strategy on the fly.
This video is really interesting and it's good to see that many people have different preferences when it comes to killers. Personally, I love micromanaging as a Knight without relying on 3-gen strategies. Dredge and Pinhead are also a pleasure for me to play. In my eyes, their powers are unique, and I find going around the box/landing chain shots really fun. Or just seeing the map become dark as a survivor is cool and atmospheric to me. As for heavy chase-oriented characters, my favorites are Xeno, Demo, and Pyramid Head (mostly because I'm a Silent Hill fan).
One thing I don't think people take into account is how a killer's personality can make them more fun to play. To use another game as an example, in League of Legends, I love playing Kled, and he didn't always have the highest winrate, but his voice lines and gameplay get you in the mood to play Kled even if you end up losing. The same is probably the case for a killer like Doctor for me. Sure, he isn't the most complex killer to play, but there is something in the shocks, listening to them scream, the little mad giggles that make him legit super fun. Same for Legion, just running, the rage filled mindset, etc.
Its funny because I thought Knight would be right after Hag although my Top 3 Fun killers are Merchant (Pre-nerf)*coughs*(pre-rework) Knight and Doctor
Im not gonna lie i enjoy playing against Trapper because it makes the game feel more scary because you need to always watch out for running into something
Thank you for the stream content Scott Jimmy. I absolutely refuse to watch twitch vods since twitch isn't like youtube and shows ads every 2.4 miliseconds.
I might be biased because i am a pyramid head main, but i love going against him and predicting his punishments. If he was slowed down heavily while transitioning from punishment mode to m1 mode, he'd be a lot fairer. It all really boils down to his power just inherently being super fun.
i like playing against doctor. if you're not in a chase, you can still get a tiny bit of fun out of repairing due to the special skill checks. he's the only killer that can do that.
My discord polls are generally a fairly small pool of about 250 people. I do them by listing out the character names and people vote usually with a simple thumbs up or down to relay their opinion. It's mostly just a fun engagement thing there, but sometimes I decide to make a video from those stats if I find it interesting. From my experience interacting with people there it varies from people who play every day to people who don't play the game at all anymore. Maybe that makes it less accurate, maybe more, I'm not sure? The outcome certainly surprised me at multiple points. I enjoy these stat based lists now and then because it's a nice break from always using my own opinion, which is of course subjective - this feels a little more objective. Appreciate the reaction and crediting me and whatnot.
Hope you feel better soon 👍
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Thanks for making! Great video! :)
I'd like to see how many people responded to the polls, and if some killers were large outliers. If a bunch of people ignore a poll, it could be they have less strong feelings etc.
im in his discord, on average, 200-250 people voted in this specific poll for each killer (some killers had less votes, because im assuming people didnt feel strongly enough either way to vote at all, this was certainly my case, i voted for like 6 or 7 of them, because i dont particularly like or dislike facing a huntress for example, and there was no "meh" option) @@LibertyMonk
In today's video, Scott Jund discovers that the DBD community is considerably larger than himself and the average skill level is much lower, resulting in a generalized opinion much different to his own. This revelation truly is a plot twist unlike any other.
Scott “we have different opinions apparently” Jund
hahaha love it
Or in a less professional way 'in today's episode of Scott Jund reacts, he learns that most of the community has a skill issue'
I do too so full shade to all of us ❤
Demogorgon is uncommon enough now that most survivor mains don't see them often enough to have built up many complaints. The Killer isn't so heavily a part of their daily experiences that it still feels new to a lot of them.
I think that's also why trapper has a relatively high 'to face' rating, I barely see trappers these days but when I do it's always like coming across a mythical creature in the middle of the woods
@@youraveragespookster2184i also think survivors find weaker killers "fun" to face because they stomp them
It's kinda funny how often you would go against a Demogorgon in the low mmr and he completely disappears as you climb up. I came back to DBD after a two year hiatus lol.
@@cryguy0000and that also males them funnier to play. Good killers can be rought if You play them on a row, because survivors don't underestimated them.
@@cryguy0000it's just nice to face certain killers. It gives you a break from facing the same 5 killers every game
The reason people love going against Trapper is because the moment they realize they are going against one, they have like a 80% to absolutely steamroll the Trapper.
Also looping a trapper really can make you feel like a god lmao since hes THE m1 guy (unless you step in a trap)
Same is applied for Legion not being as hated as some people portray them. In reality they are just as easy to outplay and defeat since they have pretty much nothing.
And a 20% chance they are in an Otz video
My ADHD vs. Trapper makes it impossible
I like playing as doc because thanks to his addons you can experiment a lot. It's not really about the game itself more about the preparation before the game even starts
Make your choice is fun with him because if you wait outside for the perk to activate and have your ability its like a countdown to see if the unhooker can survive for 60 seconds
This is how I feel with Dredge, there are a lot of perks you can use with dredge and it nice.
Honestly i haven't played in a long time but my favourite matches to watch Scott play were totem Doc. I don't know how it is with all the new totems but his older 5 totem build was so fun to watch. Easily my favourite till singularity came out.
Coup de grace with him is chefs kiss
Doc is hella fun, he can be frustrating for being an M1 but has a lot of builds to try.
Scott you should do this with your own fan base to see how results differ
Very good idea I second it
i third it
Fax
Thats Scott "reacting to more content" Jund. That's quality.
Bluds posting this on every Scott video
its me im the blud im the same dude as last time
Lmao I hope you keep getting top comment on all of these
clint stevens viewer?
NOOOOOOOO NOT AGAIN
On the knight specifically, you're correct about the micro managing part. I like playing knight, but I NEVER play him in the "drop guard on loop, win loop" style. I play him like a M1 killer that can be in two places at once, sorta.
10k hour streamer taste vs Average player taste, the video.
Amount of time literally doesn't matter. Opinions exist
what a stupid comment. experience definitely plays a huge role in topics like these because you're not gonna find the same stuff fun at 500 hours as you are at 5k hours. @@CrystalMang0
Not every 10k player has the same exact opinions.
@@CrystalMang0 And Scott is basing his opinion around what? Oh that's right; His 10k hours of experience and skill.
You're a real bright one, huh?
Are you and crystal really both this dim?
Man literally made a "Scotts opinion vs Average player opinion" joke.
What are you even trying to argue?
I sure hope neither of you have kids; By the age of 4 they'd already be smarter than you.@@Antarctide
Doctor is fun not because his power is good, but because he has built in information. You don't need any information perks to find your next chase. He removes mental load of finding your next chase completely, and his power works well enough in chases.
Yeah, it's kind of the same with Artist. The power covers both information gathering and chase. So it frees up four perks that you can use to run whatever you feel like. You can be boring and run four slowdowns, or you can run some meme things if you don't particularly care about winning and just want to do the silly thing.
Exactly... I get tired of Survivors hiding all trial.
When you get Wesker in 11/10 games, but you only get Demo whenever a new season of Stranger Things releases, playing against demo is going to be way more fun.
Ive noticed 3 things watching this. First its clear that the theming of the killer matters alot. People find it fun to go against cool charecters or ones that have interesting theming. Second this seems to actually take into account how it goes for lower skill players on both sides. A killer like spirit is insane for low skill survivors to go against and having to rely on sound could suck for the killer as well for instance. Also thirdly I think scott always assumes the killer hes fighting is playin to their most try hard and doing the optimal strats. This also makes me feel scott has "lost touch" with the average player given hes both a streamer and has thousands of hours. Back on killers the killers dont always play the best strat anyway but also most players arent playing at a skill to do that. Imagine ranking survivor gameplay but you have to assume they are playing optimally always on gens and what not. Ill never not be amused the strongest way to play survivor doubles as the single least fun way to play them.
I personally really like to play as and against Doctor and Clown because of their laughs, for Doc it is really satisfying hearing their screams as you are just laughing and when you face him, the chills of hearing static blast charging is an amazing feeling. For Clown, I find it funny when he laughs or makes Ugh! when vaulting, it really fits him.
But my favorite killer is the Oni, as a survivor I am literally scared seeing him dashing at abnormal speed directly at me or even just hearing that scream in the distance as well as when playing him it feels like you are a giant brutal force filled with rage.
I see Scott frequently judging a killer based on mechanical skill, while I believe that for average playing it is one of the least interesting factors whether a killer is fun or not. The fact that Skull Merchant has almost 30% in fun to play says that a lot (I also like her but don't play much, probably will change after the rework, it is amazing). Her power is not something about dodging, graphical tells or some SFX, her power is used to outsmart the opponent by placing the drones at effective places and luring survivors into your clenches.
I think this is the case with a lot of peoples' opinions on the game.
Like, I know there's an optimal way to play a game, and to a point I actually think that's valuable, but sometimes, idk man, it's just not as fun to be like "well, A happened, so B must now happen, followed by C" as if every interaction in the game happens in a vacuum. The chaos that is varying skill levels and weird little things different players do is what makes DBD fun and funny as well. Not optimally running a TL wall as god intended or something.
Edit: Maybe I should add that I do also kinda think optimally running the TL wall is fun too, but like if the whole game were a series of flowcharts to follow in every situation with no adaptation involved, I do think that people would find that stale. Even when the "variety" they're encountering is something frustrating, I do think people would do well to imagine what the game would be like if it were only their favorite killers to go against, and that would include the people that would likely quit playing if they were facing Wesker and Larry every game. This isn't really meant to hit anyone in the community like I'm telling them to feel differently, of course, but I do think the DBD community has a weird relationship with understanding that not everything they play against in any game is something they personally will enjoy. Others might think it's super fun as well, and of course the agency and enjoyment of the killer player matters as well. I'm like the only person in my friend group that finds Spirit to be fun to play against. The rest of my friends just gripe the entire time. We also have a myriad of killers that we have varying opinions on depending on the person. I fucking hate facing Hag, my other friend thinks its fun, etc.
Another addendum is that while I know gameplay SHOULD come first, and a lot of people value that hard mechanical gameplay element feeling solid, aesthetics matter for a lot of people. The alien chapter is my favorite yet because I love the atmosphere the xeno brings into the match, even though a lot of people absolutely hate the tail. Meanwhile, I think a large part of why skull merchant is such a failure is that she is a failure in both game design AND aesthetic design. Some people really like it, but the vast majority found "vanilla" skull merchant to be extremely lackluster in looks, lore, gameplay, mori, etc. She would absolutely receive hate for her actual power design and stuff, but I do think she wouldn't be as reviled by the community if she was at least "cool" or something.
Knight's a pretty good example of the opposite. His power is also problematic in ways (less so now, at least imo, but I do get how zoning can be pretty sleeper) but he looks cool and has a sword. A friend of mine literally told me while watching me play "that's the killer I'd play, because they look like a Dark Souls boss" and I was like "Oh, everyone hates this killer actually lmfao"
@@brad1426 I can assure you that if Knight wouldn't have that horn when the hunt begins or if companions wouldn't scream when finding a survivor, he would be less played. Details like these matter a lot.
@@Grafii2198 Right? Doctor's giggle is S Tier. Having immersive (god I hate that word but it do be like that) gameplay for me way overweights whether I do super well with them. People often say Fun = Winning, but you never see them have fun because they won.
And yea Scott genuinely cannot wrap his head around people liking different things or playing in different ways than him. He has good takes and is pretty grounded, but he thinks his opinion = fact.
People really hate playing against Plague because of her ability to null and void the healing mechanic altogether. Lots of people run healing builds only to end up being essentially perkless the whole match.
Also, Doctor is fun to play because his silly laughs and ability to make people scream lightening the mood since so many survivors have goofy ass screams.
Also also, Wesker should have been at the top. His chase theme alone is absolutely awesome.
The reason I personally don't like playing against plague is the same reason I don't like playing against legion..... most of the time, the people who are playing these killers don't actually want to chase and down survivors. They'd rather get a "free" injure state then actually go find and chase a survivor. Same reason why killers will hang around the hook.... why go and find survivors when you can just stand in the same spot and they're eventually come to you? lol. Either way, it feels like they're avoiding the entire point/purpose of the game - and I'll never really understand why people load up to play killer in dbd, and NOT want to chase survivors..... it's kinda the whole point, lol.
i don't like plague because she's like skull merchant where you get exposed just for doing a generator that she pressed M2 on
I just find the constant vomiting annoying af
Yeah, seconding the opinion on Plague. Somehow I always end up getting Plague when I've decided to run a full altruistic healing build, and my perks are basically completely nullified. It sucks. It would suck slightly less if items weren't consumable, but knowing I wasted a medkit and addons for no reason is just awful.
And of course the solo queue experience of your teammates cleansing every time they're a little sick to give her free Corrupt Purge 5+ times.
@@thunder6742because quick heals/boons are annoying. It prevents SWFs from abusing you. Limits raging.
Some of the confusion stems from the mindset of someone playing to be competitive versus someone playing to relax. I've found comp players don't understand the mindset to the point of not even believing people would play to 'switch off.' It's like the old RTS genre - famous for Starcraft micro plays, but the vast majority of people just liked slowly making a pretty base and building up an army they liked. Applying that to DbD, people like playing killers that may be "boring" but let them enjoy having agency doing something engaging, or that let them play out a power fantasy.
The most popular killers tend to be ones that have telegraphed "skill shot" type attacks because they're not only effective, but feel good to land and feel good to dodge. Survivors like barely matrix dodging out of the way of an attack. People love playing against new Billies not specifically because they escape, but because it stimulates that feeling of giddiness when barely outrunning the "It" kid when playing tag, and their fingers are an inch from your body. Most killers just down you the second they get in range or place their power, so there's no back and forth at all besides the act of looping. The most popular killers will always be "skill shot" designs like this, because they give you both that feeling of barely escaping and skillfully landing a risky move.
Not gonna lie, I think most Survivors who claim to be Casual, are liars and want to win just as bad as people who play to win.
This video is really interesting to me. In the video it can show how someones view might be totaly different then those of others. Facing artist, enjoying playing the doctor are good examples in this one. It makes you question why. Maybe it might even spark some new ideas and set them in a different light. ''We are stuck in our ways'' of sorts. So these lists tend to shed some new light upon things at times.
Well most player focus on the killer power and judge the killer base on there power, but sometime it just the simple things player love a killer, like the design and sounds, Scott for example doesn’t like Legion he says they’re boring, but there are ppl like me who just love Legion bc I get to run and stab ppl, I just enjoy the overall design of Legion even tho they’re not anything unique they’re just cool lol.
Legion is fun for me because i love the concept of hitting someone and sprinting past them like you just dont give a fuck, heading off to go find their friends. Like a "wait here ill get you later". Thats my personal enjoyment with legion
I look at it more like "BOP, PEACE BOI" before going and smacking their friends
Same for me, and very rarely when you do get that 5th hit? It's just the most satisfying thing in the world. I run spirit fury enduring with the yellow tape addon and when you get that frenzy hit, into the not so pallet stun, into the second hit, just to go back into frenzy to go get their flashy save friend waiting in the wings is always a good time.
Legion's just a very low bandwidth killer to play for me. A simple power that's satisfying even without a skill element, built in slowdown and info, and mostly plays around fundamental skills. He just cuts through a lot of the usual stress of playing killer.
You have to consider that the poll was just "Yes" or "No" for each side and killer.
Imagine Killer A is absolutely loved by 80% of the community on both sides and 20% find him mildly annoying while Killer B is ok for 90% of players and 10% hate him. Using the ranking of this video Killer B would be the more fun killer.
If you would instead allow players to rank killers on a scale of 1 to 10 and then calculated the average Killer A would most likely win.
You really don't want more than three (four tops) options on an opinion poll, or you run into issues like some people intentionally amplifying their voice by only voting 1s besides their favorites getting 10s. Or the opposite, where 5-star is the default, and 4-stars is what you rate someone who killed your firstborn.
What isn't shown is the fact that "did not respond" is a thing people can do. I'd like to see if some of these killers had less responders etc. Not responding can be interpreted as "don't care" or "haven't formed an opinion yet".
@@LibertyMonk
Maybe you could implement "rank choice voting".
Most importantly I wanted to point out that the poll heavily favours killers that are just "fine" for the most amount of players which is why Demo won I think.
I think for "play as" Blight would have easily won against Demo (which should be obvious when you see how many Blight players exist when playing) if the poll worked differently, but there isn't much to dislike about playing Demo while Blight is more mechanically intensive which is a reason to dislike playing Blight.
There is definitely use in a poll like this, but especially for "play as" it is much more important how many players love a killer than how many players find a killer ok because you have so many different killers to choose from and you don't need to play every killer.
Scott’s reaction to Deathslingers placement was priceless
Last pinhead I played against was probably a month ago and it was clearly his first time and he was obliterated. Messaged him after the match and tried to encourage him because I know how hard those chains are to aim. He appreciated it and said "it was my first match, and I'm never playing him again"
Like Scott, Trapper confused me... Cause he is insanely satisfying to play for literally just getting one proper good trap, but against? In chase he is basic af, and outside of chase its just "Look at grass... If there is grass on the map"...
Also, Scott, you miss the ultra-satisfying, rare situation of getting 5 hits in power. Its really fun, even just for that, having power that is literally just going fast is just nice, i don't care how bad.
I find the paranoia exciting
@@glacialghost5041 Suppose, but that depends on a map. Like 90% of maps the traps are plainly visible now, making him just man with machete that sometimes blocks loops...
And second part was about Legion :D
People like the easy wins. His power is as basic as they come.
I think that these polls are a far better representation of how survivors perceive their chances against each killer than how much fun they find versing their ability
That's what I was thinking. 😂 Trapper was damn high, and it's a coincidence that his power is harder to use now a days. Man, people are so full of crap.
Doctor is fun to play as u get the satisfying mindgames of an m1 killer while having options to beat certain annoying setups.
Aswell as having good info from power gives you some satisfying decision making instead of gambling on survs locations.
I think a lot of the player base also doesn’t know how to effectively play against plague so she probably can feel oppressive to players that cleanse go for the unhook on the sick survivor and cleanse again, so she has power all game.
In my lobbies there’s usually one player that cleanses soon as they get sick and the three of us are injured dodging power plague the whole game
An important thing to remember about these placements is that, as far as I'm aware, the questions were only "Are they fun to play/play against?", rather than "How fun are they from 1-10?"
When looking at killers like Nemesis, very few people would say he is not fun to play against, and him being licensed definitely has something to do with that.
And with Demo being above Wesker, it's not saying that Demo is more fun, rather that less people find him not fun. There probably aren't as many people who absolutely love playing as or against Demo as there are for Wesker, but due to him being rarer, unable to obtain, and potentially a more popular license (I know many more ST fans than RE fans) he is disliked by less, and thus higher. Nobody complains when they get Demo. Some people complain when they get Wesker, due to his pickrate.
Oni and a good Billy are the only killer I've ever found actively scary to face.
Good curve billy's are just so predictable tho.
@@JakeobEyeah but ppl don’t sweat vs billy because bro is so annoying trash that anyone who has dedicated time to get good we want to keep them around 😂
What about Ghostface?
@@climaxtermalhadevin8000Maybe you should "get good" at spelling and grammar because I can barely read what you just typed.
Gamers that don't use headphones due to tinnitus (like me) HATE going against spirit due to being at a complete loss of where and what her proximity is to us. On top of walls blocking her phasing sounds a lot of times, and her sound being so lagged behind where she truly is due to speed add-ons, playing against her is pretty stupid (even with headphones). She should be visible in a glitchy and slightly delayed form in phase to survivors.
Ignorant question, but why would tinnitus prevent you from using headphones? I don't mean this in a rude way, I'm just genuinely curious.
@@parasails4770 If I don't want to progress my tinnitus and cause worse and more permanent hearing ringing/loss by the time I hit 30, I def cannot wear headphones anymore. It's undiagnosed, but if your ears start to hurt, and develop the ringing, you should def take some precautionary measures, like me. You're also not rude or ignorant for asking.
Im pretty sure i have tinnitus and i always use headphones ill report back in like 20 years and let you know if im deaf @@JakeobE
I legit feel people voted Demogorgon into 1st place just cuz "Wholesome demopupperino, the cute pupper" and forgot that you have to play him.
Deathslinger is super fun to play against. The constant tension of never knowing when he's going to shoot or what he might shoot through/over, the back and forth mind games of trying to out predict each other or trick them into making a mistake... Like, Deathslinger is the only killer where you can hold W in a straight line for the entire chase and still have to make one or two decisions per second to avoid getting hit.
Avoiding a Shred by the skin of my teeth makes the blood rush to my head, it's scarier than jumpscare Myers on Lery's. So much fun
Its cool how much of people's stances are more about feels and vibes than coherent design. Like yeah, nemesis is maybe a bit frustrating with his oppressive whip and braindead zombies, but he makes you feel like a hulking unstoppable bioweapon and thats what people want in the end
Honestly skull merchant can be fun, I love not having to care about certain things and that I can just be an M1 killer that has decent leverage on survivors, free no counter tracking, stealth, a bit of speed. And her drones get free hits which is just nice.
Same reason people love playing against Billy: the bully factor. If you’re good enough he will never instadown you so he’s essentially just a M1 killer
Something I noticed with the "Fun to play against." killers are either Rare and never played, or they're easy to bully.
Yep, it's pretty funny tbh. 😂😂😂
My only take is that a lot of no life dbd players have a very different perspective that a majority of the playerbase. I agree most of scots take, but a lot of my non obsessed friends actually enjoy skull merchant. Thats just one anecdotal piece of evidence, but it is the feeling i get from most of this.
People dont like Skull M for 2 reasons. 1. She is no slouch, you cant f around with her. 2. Shes not The Predator like folks speculated. 😂😂😂
I be crushing with her most of the time.
Micromanaging is the only effective way to play knight in my opinion.
Dropping guards in the chase make sense only if you play the double axe, otherwise.... meh... if the surv is cornered ok, otherwise the survivor is going to move...
Much more effective to chase Dwight and keep Meg busy with a guard or a gen with a lot of progress blocked.
it is about managing resources.
Love going against Knight, Deathslinger, and Pinhead (aside from the box cuz solo queue I'm usually doing it the entire game). And Legion is one of my favorite killers to play because there's very rarely any down time where you're looking for survivors. It's constant pressure and I absolutely love it
edit: I also hate playing as Blight. There's so many locations where you'll dash and just run in place because the thing you tried to bump into doesn't count as a wall. Most notably with tires
People like Trapper cos they get to play Prison Break trying to liberate someone from Basement. Doctor's because you get to make people scream all game, having a match with Ash or Steve is hilarious.
knight player here, the fun part of knight is hearing your guard scream at a survivor and having both of you chase that survivor, sells the feeling of being like a pack of wolves hunting down your prey, cant say much about playing against since i dont play survivor that much and from what i have played knight is definitely one of the more tolerable killers to play against
I always found him just as bad as Skull Merchant.
@derrian6969 same and in fact a bigger percentage of Knights I've gone against been downright maddening than SMs. But I chalk it up to getting lucky against SMs and getting very unlucky against Knights.
I like Blight, but I haven't memorized the hitboxes of every object in the game, so usually when I'm rushing and about to slam onto something, I have no idea if I'll actually slam onto it, or if I'll just slide off of it like it's coated in 2 tons of butter. I get that there's some objects that are notorious for being slippery, like the logs and tree stumps on Swamp and cars in general, but there's a bunch of other stuff and inconsistent bullshit with hitboxes that gets me frustrated when I play Blight sometimes.
It just feels like crap when I'm chasing a survivor, and then I plan a route I'm going to go with my rushes, then I execute the plan, only to get stuck or slide off of the object I ran into, despite running face first into it. Then I go into cooldown, and the survivor gets more distance on me.
6:13 Scott, it's pretty simple: survivors love free escapes. So they love going against the weakest killer in the game.
Edit: oh, nvm, based chatter got me
15:05 Legion is fun to play because they feel close to "default dead by daylight", like wraith. That's how I feel towards both of them anways, and I love them
Also think that most licenses are put higher cause it's this awesome feeling of like omg I can play as and against Nemesis and all the others you know?
18:40 man I still remember back like 6 years ago when I first played dbd and played it like it was a horror game. Most fun I had and ever will have in dbd. Nothing like hiding from the killer and getting scared when getting chased.
As a Doctor main it feels pretty rewarding to get an on point shock that denies a pallet drop or window Vault cutting a chase in half.
Sadly a lot of tiles in their set up really does not reward using your shock correctly.
Wesker would be fine to play against if you didnt start gaining infection right away off hook and Wesker didnt get notified when you spray yourself. Its too easy to get tunneled off hook and punished for doing well in chase by getting fully infected.
Its important to remeber this was a yes/no vote, and not a qualitative one. So a killer like demo who might be EVERYONES #4 or #5 favourite would rank higher than a killer that people have stronger feelings about.
im glad scott said it, because the micromanaging style of knight gameplay is so fun to me, i never understood the simple and boring "drop at pallet" style
Scott when other people have different tastes from him:
I feel like nostalgia is why demo is rated so highly but its also possible that people really don't like weskers hindered which from what I can tell seems to be most peoples complaints with him as a killer
That and 50% infection after unhooks. I'd say half of the Weskers I face tunnel just because he is so well built for that. Thats why he's ons of my least-favorite killers to face. Very fun to play as though.
Wdym nostalgia. He's from a 2016 franchise and was added in 2019
I also think your perspective on doctor is flatly wrong because your experience of playing him is limited. The constant shocking is the basic playstyle, when you're good enough with him to time is properly to force error then it becomes fun, which is practicably possible.
You described why I really like Knight perfectly. I love the micro management of him. Being able to hold two chases at once or kick a gen mid chase is really fun and rewarding when it works. Also, Slinger is genuinely the most fun killer to face for me. It may be bias since I love Slinger and main him, but he’s extremely fun to face, much more so than Huntress imo.
I play myers now since the DLC. I came to DbD because of him and i always thing the Tombstone mechanic is fun. Because yes it can be powerful. But it changes the game.. its always an option that he can have it and be dangerous.
Last game is faced him i thought: He didnt pop t3 for a long time?!... .
I was just saying to my mates in discord.. NO MYERS DONT DO IT!
Because they fact alone..that i could be.. makes him scary. .. And scary is was i enjoy..
(Btw: mirror myers enjoyer of all maps)
I like versing trapper just because of how errie you feel while walking around, and how anxious I get while being chased. Even if I don't even see a trap, it just feels spooky.
i cant believe that after all the time wesker is realeased people arent absolutely sick of him, nowadays i switched from DCing against nurse to DCing against wesker because all these players ever do is tunnel the fuck out of someone right off hook with 4 gen perks, its literaly worse than pyramid head, they should honestly insta cleanse infection when you get hooked, because the hooked survivors having to spend time getting healed and getting the infection off is just absolutely incredible, i get that Pig has the same mechanical component there but with pig its different in the way that you can have time before it gets a serious problem, with wesker its basically your saviour heals you and you are already almost fully infected, which is an instadown when he gets you again, so unless you already have a spray on you at the time its absolutely abyssmal to go against
Not reading allat 😂🤦♂️
I mean, people want to win, what do you expect? Lose and move on, especially if you're a casual player like most of DBD claims to be. 😂
I think licensed killers got a big boost just because of there name. Imagine a killer designed like Freddy but without Nightmare on Elm Street! Probably would be lower than Skull Merchant at that point.
Trapper I could see it being a sort of high tension type thing. Some people love that feeling of stress. You got a good route, looping him well, aaaand you fell for his trap.
4:05 Scott, you are forgetting that Spirit relies on audio for both sides, and there are people with hearing impairments that make playing against/as Spirit really difficult and unfun.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but the inherent comedy of either you, the trapper, or a teammate stepping on a trap makes any game versus him hilarious to me.
Literally if I get a kick on victor it is on A+ game
Daily reminder that Artist is a 115% movement speed killer for some odd fucking reason.
Honestly that's fair she's a sleeper hit in tier lists for a reason
Tell me you've never played Artist without telling me you've never played Artist. She gets slowed down while using her crows, her being anything less than 115% would not work.
@@Hoosje11 You mean that like 0.02 seconds of a slight slowdown naturally they would have to mess with her add ons and buff her to compensate for the speed decrease
How does he not get doctor? Driving people crazy is funny as hell lol
I feel like he thought a lil too deep on that one 😂
at some point, we will get "asmongold reacts to reaction youtubers" and feature scott, then scott may react to it and we finally break the system and get scott infinite popularity!
edit: keep doing it scott, i LOVE it and its some of the most chill time of my day, when i can watch some of your reactions. do whatever you want, enjoy your time and hopefully youll create even more videos of such length!
I’m gonna be honest I love playing against trappers because mind gaming each other and just being super alert with your surroundings is just so fun to me. Also running into his traps is sometimes so funny.
When I was new to the game, Doctor was easily my favorite killer to play as by a mile. Constantly harassing the survivors with shocks, seeing the hallucinations they are having to endure, and of course never needing to wonder where to go.
My original build when I still had very few teachables unlocked included Whispers+Distressing, and I will say consistently landing a full team shock was a special kind of euphoria.
I hypothesize that for some killers, the music of all things is what makes people enjoy them more. With Pyramid Head, yes zoning killers kinda suck to face, and having a power that allows for tunneling is irritating... but also, the atmosphere his terror radius gives is very unique, and his chase theme sounds like you're in a boss fight. I think this hypothesis may be supported by the fact he's directly followed by Dredge is this list, and as your chat pointed out, he's very atmospherically interesting. Same probably goes for the Resident Evil killers.
This reaction Arc has been hillarious hope it keeps going
Doc is good for information. Shocking can let you find people, so new players always have someone to chase.
Trapper needs a SWF vs solo for play against
Not speaking for his discord server, but I wouldn't be surprised if they disliked playing Bubba because of the messed up hitboxes on the maps and how they can cause you to tantrum. You can run into the smallest bush and tantrum because you hit a microscopic twig.
regarding legion, i think it's the macro gameplay aspect of creating slowdown via chaining hits, and less the free hit aspect that people enjoy
As a Legion main I can tell you few reason why I love playing Legion. One: Legion is really simple and I like simple killers. When I play dbd I dont want to overthink so I dont want to play killers that work my brain to hard like Hux or something plus you dont need to learn techs with legion like you do say Wesker. Two: I love the feeling of bounce between surivors and getting faster each time I hit them. Then if you can get that 5th hit down it feels so good and amazing. Yeah it doesnt happen all the time but I usually can get a 5th at least once every match. Three: I just love the idea Legion is techally 4 diffenet charaters and I can chorse to play as any of them just base on the outfit I want to use. I know this doesnt have much to do with gameplay but it is part of the reason why I love love love Legion.
Legion is fun.
Simple, very aggressive with many compatible perk builds.
I think Scott is so shocked at these placements because he just assumes every killer plays in the lamest way possible. Scott would choose disliking facing Pyramidhead because when he thinks of Phead he assumes the killer is just going to zone you away from every pallet and tunnel you off the cage. And yet for some reason he seems to ignore these issues when it comes to Huntress, who is arguably better at both zoning, camping, AND tunneling. The people that choose to like facing Pyramidhead choose that option because when they think of Pyramidhead they think of dodging shockwaves and FOV-teching.
TLDR: Scott is the guy in the bus stuck looking at the cliffside, and the poll voters are the guy looking out at the sunset.
I remember partaking in these polls. The reason why bubba was so low was because as i discussed with the other people he did not feel rewarding to us. It’s just ref chainsaw and insta down, or you bump and then you are basically a potted plant in how much you can do.
I think deathslinger is that high because it never feels super unfair to go against him and you have a few more option then you would against something like a nurse.
no headphone users hating spirit
6:33 at high level, we get sooooo many blights/nurses/spirits/etc. so when I see a trapper I jump with joy bc now I can loop
4:51 pretty much hit the nail on the head on why I find Knight enjoyable. I like doing weird pathings and micro managing to "feel" like I'm smart. Instead of doing the actual smart, but boring thing of "drop guard at loop, repeat til I lose or win".
I enjoy playing Knight for the Micromanagement reason. I don't usually send guards on the survivor I'm chasing, maybe at the start but that's about it, and tend to either send the guard into other Survivors nearby or to break things.
Or send the Assassin to a Gen I'm heading to to delay them repairing it for me to push them off of it and such.
Using the Guards as an assist or Secondary Chaser or Area defense feels more enjoyable than double Attack Chase.
Although ive had some fun as Survivor having both hunt me down together like a Hunting Pair
I personally love facing Deathslinger because he's my most played killer. Once you get a good sense for the timing of his ADS and reload, and also which shots he can/can't hit, chases become much more dynamic and two-sided
I like playing doc because I like the coin flip in Skill check doc. When it works and you just get exposition notifications all over.*Chef kiss*
15:00, Legion is fun to play because his chase music is awesome & its fun dashing over pallets/windows.
Going against a good Wesker is fun. I do not get to go against good Weskers, so I get to not interact with the game as either I sit on gens the entire time or get to sit on hook the entire time
As a Billy Main it hurts so much to see Billy this low and it hurts even more that I can understand it.
I find stealth doc fun to play, double calm + monitor, and something like devour is fun every once in a while
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i feel like the only person who enjoys running the demon baby. the 5s punish is super duper free on him
For going against Nemesis, I actually really like the element of randomness the Zombies provide. How well you can adapt to randomness is honestly one of the most useful skills you can have in this game. Being able to think and change *macro* strategy on the fly.
I just really like playing Knight sometimes because Im a big guy in armor with a huge sword and some buddies to help
tbf demo is extremly fun to go against if you know how to press your ctrl key.
This video is really interesting and it's good to see that many people have different preferences when it comes to killers. Personally, I love micromanaging as a Knight without relying on 3-gen strategies. Dredge and Pinhead are also a pleasure for me to play. In my eyes, their powers are unique, and I find going around the box/landing chain shots really fun. Or just seeing the map become dark as a survivor is cool and atmospheric to me. As for heavy chase-oriented characters, my favorites are Xeno, Demo, and Pyramid Head (mostly because I'm a Silent Hill fan).
A lot of those fun to play against just so happen to be some of the killers that when they screw up you completely dumpster 😂
I noticed that too. 😂😂😂 People wont admit it though.
Trickster being forgotten by everyone with the FUN tier-list speaks VOLUMES about him
One thing I don't think people take into account is how a killer's personality can make them more fun to play. To use another game as an example, in League of Legends, I love playing Kled, and he didn't always have the highest winrate, but his voice lines and gameplay get you in the mood to play Kled even if you end up losing. The same is probably the case for a killer like Doctor for me. Sure, he isn't the most complex killer to play, but there is something in the shocks, listening to them scream, the little mad giggles that make him legit super fun. Same for Legion, just running, the rage filled mindset, etc.
Its funny because I thought Knight would be right after Hag although my Top 3 Fun killers are Merchant (Pre-nerf)*coughs*(pre-rework) Knight and Doctor
Im not gonna lie i enjoy playing against Trapper because it makes the game feel more scary because you need to always watch out for running into something
Your twitch chat about the twins was HILARIOUS.
I think for pyramid head mains most people are giga chads that like to shoot through walls. Only the sweat lords actually tunnel.
Thank you for the stream content Scott Jimmy. I absolutely refuse to watch twitch vods since twitch isn't like youtube and shows ads every 2.4 miliseconds.
Would be interested to see if the different DBD UA-camrs ran this poll with their communities what the results would be 😮
I might be biased because i am a pyramid head main, but i love going against him and predicting his punishments. If he was slowed down heavily while transitioning from punishment mode to m1 mode, he'd be a lot fairer.
It all really boils down to his power just inherently being super fun.
i like playing against doctor. if you're not in a chase, you can still get a tiny bit of fun out of repairing due to the special skill checks. he's the only killer that can do that.