At that point on that turn, neither of them was going to get it back. The right side of the track is banked very slightly but the left is slightly negative. So even if you were not completely on the edge of your grip on the line you wanted, once you go left, there is nothing to stop you losing it and as the book says, you get to watch the fence for a long time before you hit it.
As others mentioned, mistakes by both drivers. Obviously what the lead driver did by going off track on the left created the situation, but his tires were rotating when he was going backwards meaning he violated crash rule #1; brakes and clutch in. The following driver was firmly planted and at first sign of the spin should have gone track left, there was lots of room. That's why it's called school I guess.
Holy 5+G from 80 to zero. Glad you're ok! Were you wearing HANS? In the damage waiver scenario, were you considered to be the "crashee" or the "victim"?!?
@NIKAS07 What is HANS? and you are one of the luckiest people ever if you got to drive sebring that track is amazing! i wish i could fly over and give it a go!
@racing56789 Very glad to hear! I too wear a HANS and had my first dinger in Lapping at Sebring earlier this year. I will always remember that brief hair bristling HOLY SH#T timeline where you realize that you are no longer in control of what's about to happen.
The reason this driver is not using the clutch on down shifts is be cause he's paralyzed from the waste down. He's driving a hand control car. The steering wheel pushes forward which is linked to the master cylinders for brakes. Mind you these cars have no brake booster, takes 250ft lbs of pressure to lock up the tires. His name is Michael Johnson. And he is incredibly talented he is currently racing in the usf2000 series. I know this because I was a mechanic for Skip Barber at the time.
Speedometer, G-force meter, high definition, multiple views of wreck......What can I say, man? You crash like a pro! Heh, no seriously - that is why I could never bring myself to race. You have seriously big balls to go out racing the very next day, my hat is off to you!
Forgot to mention, he only uses the clutch to get started from a stop, which is a handle on left side of steering wheel. The throttle is a lever type system that links to throttle body. I've only driven this car to pits and around the paddock and it is really difficult to get used to. I've driven the Skip Barber RT car around a number of tracks and I'm far from podium finishing talent. I say this because Michael Johnson can hop in this car and kickass. He is an incredible athlete.
How do you upshift and downshift in these cars? Because i know that in a normal car to upshift you do Clutch in, Shift, Clutch out, gas. And to downshift it is Brake, Clutch in, Blip, Shift, Clutch out is it any different in these cars? do they have sequential transmissions?
You can shift up and down in a normal manual transmission car too, it's just a lot harder than these racing boxes as you need to be really careful to match the revs just right.
Very Lucky! The driver who spun in front of you let go of his brakes so they came back across the track into you. Major Rookie Mistake for them. You can see the wheels turning on the other car when it is backwards... Scary!
for something that doesnt look very safe, race cars like that are USUALLY made safer than your average street car even, especially with fire suits and helmets and all that.. theyre designed to handle crashes at very high speeds just as much as theyre designed to go fast like that
I really think that the reason the car got so much air off that crash was because when the tires touched they gripped onto each other like crazy. Happens all the time in F1 and GP2. Lookup vids and youll see F1 Cars almost doing a complete flip into the air in a straight line
Dang, from the on-board camera you wonder "why is this guy flipping" but from the driver behind you can clearly see why. I'd hope that when something like this happens the guy that wasn't at fault would maybe get a discount at least...??
One day of racing school is around $1800. But you have to take intro to racing which is $700. Not bad prices. If you are talking about the wrecked car than I have no clue haha.
No, you do not. Ask any instructor. The rule is, if you spin, both feet in. The spinning car should have locked the brakes and keep them locked. He's an idiot, locked and then allowed the car to come across the track..
@myPETsnailFRED HANS device = Head And Neck Support via a patented shoulder device incorporating restraint straps that clip into helmet anchors. Device is supposed to protect the driver from fatal neurological damage in severe impacts. I hope mine is never put to the test. Most track drivers that value their brains are wearing them now. As for Sebring, Google "Skip Barber", they would love to show you around North America's best circuits - highly recommend the experience and the people.
There was no room left at all. He should of kept on line. And no, in that case you should let off the brake. If he had kept on the back he would of slid and stopped on the track. You should always let your car roll out of the way. If you spin in the racing line, let you car spin out of the way. This guy was just unlucky to panic and try and avoid it rather than let happen in front of him.
Definitely the guy in front's fault, twice. The tire off the track was obviously a mistake, which started his spin, but he should've just let the car spin into the grass instead of kind of saving it to roll backwards onto the track. The second car had almost no options. Not enough room to brake, the entire right side of the track was a no-go, the only thing that MIGHT have worked was to just veer to the left and hope that he could bring it to a stop in time in the grass. Even if he ultimately did collide with the wall, I think he would've had less damage and therefore less expense if he just pitched it into the grass to the left. One big advantage to sim racing and even arrive-and-drive karting is that it gives you a chance to get good at predicting the path of spinning cars without the consequences of doing it in a real car with thousands in damage.
You're supposed to go as wide as possible before turning in when you're racing obviously. The problem for this guy is the track falls away at this point and he misjudged it. The car in front of him properly navigated and anticipated the wheels going off in the grass and kept racing. Tough luck here for MJ being the victim.
I don't think he would have gotten out of it well either whether he would have brakes or not, if he hadn't he'd have to be going to the the very edge of the track and would have been carrying too much speed to carry that line at that speed and would have went off
Indeed they are learning. However, that spinner needs to pay attention to the road, that is about the stupidest crash I have seen in a while. He needs to learn to drive on the TRACK and not the grass.
He did it so that he could get out of the way. If he slams is brakes he likely takes out more drivers. If Micheal stayed his line, nobody crashes except the guy who spun out.
You have to have an instinct for crashes. There were two ways to avoid this encounter, stomp the gas and get by him before he backed across the track, or use the brakes and wait till you knew which way he was going to end up. Just coasting along put you right in the way. I've had to back out and wait for a spinner down under me. I wasn't sure were he was going to end up, and it seemed like it took forever. He was staying low, and as I passed him I glimpsed a guy who apparently was blind trying to pass me down low. Sure tore up a couple of cars. Avoiding wrecks can be real thrilling. Dale Sr. was really good at it.
The driver made the mistake of slowing down to avoid the spinning car, instead of powering down to avoid him and get around. But that's the difference between racing mentality and street driving mentality, they don't work the same.
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In a spin, both feet in! Lock those brakes
Was that Lewis Hamilton picking up the mess at the end!? HaHa : )
7 time champion now...
At that point on that turn, neither of them was going to get it back. The right side of the track is banked very slightly but the left is slightly negative. So even if you were not completely on the edge of your grip on the line you wanted, once you go left, there is nothing to stop you losing it and as the book says, you get to watch the fence for a long time before you hit it.
Jesus dude, really glad you're alright, didn't expect the car to react so fiercely!
As others mentioned, mistakes by both drivers. Obviously what the lead driver did by going off track on the left created the situation, but his tires were rotating when he was going backwards meaning he violated crash rule #1; brakes and clutch in. The following driver was firmly planted and at first sign of the spin should have gone track left, there was lots of room. That's why it's called school I guess.
Holy 5+G from 80 to zero. Glad you're ok! Were you wearing HANS? In the damage waiver scenario, were you considered to be the "crashee" or the "victim"?!?
Whoa! I was wondering how well those cars would hold up in a rollover. Glad you were ok!
@NIKAS07 What is HANS? and you are one of the luckiest people ever if you got to drive sebring that track is amazing! i wish i could fly over and give it a go!
@racing56789 Very glad to hear! I too wear a HANS and had my first dinger in Lapping at Sebring earlier this year. I will always remember that brief hair bristling HOLY SH#T timeline where you realize that you are no longer in control of what's about to happen.
You don't heel toe in a skippy, they're sequential boxes, just need to blip to shift.
does the car autoblip on downshifts?
The reason this driver is not using the clutch on down shifts is be cause he's paralyzed from the waste down. He's driving a hand control car. The steering wheel pushes forward which is linked to the master cylinders for brakes. Mind you these cars have no brake booster, takes 250ft lbs of pressure to lock up the tires. His name is Michael Johnson. And he is incredibly talented he is currently racing in the usf2000 series. I know this because I was a mechanic for Skip Barber at the time.
Speedometer, G-force meter, high definition, multiple views of wreck......What can I say, man? You crash like a pro! Heh, no seriously - that is why I could never bring myself to race. You have seriously big balls to go out racing the very next day, my hat is off to you!
At Skip Barber they taught me "if you spin, both feet in." Could have improved this situation dramatically.
Forgot to mention, he only uses the clutch to get started from a stop, which is a handle on left side of steering wheel. The throttle is a lever type system that links to throttle body. I've only driven this car to pits and around the paddock and it is really difficult to get used to. I've driven the Skip Barber RT car around a number of tracks and I'm far from podium finishing talent. I say this because Michael Johnson can hop in this car and kickass. He is an incredible athlete.
Just came across this video, hopefully you didn't get injured in that crash that was a hell of a roll.
I just stumbled upon this video and have no real clue about racing. Because the driver infront of you spun out does he pay for your repairs?
Looks scary. Thanks for sharing.
How many does it cost you ?
How do you upshift and downshift in these cars? Because i know that in a normal car to upshift you do Clutch in, Shift, Clutch out, gas. And to downshift it is Brake, Clutch in, Blip, Shift, Clutch out is it any different in these cars? do they have sequential transmissions?
MikeTheMiata It had a clutch. You can get away with lifting off the throttle and shifting. No clutch needed.
MikeTheMiata yes, they have sequential transmissions
You can shift up and down in a normal manual transmission car too, it's just a lot harder than these racing boxes as you need to be really careful to match the revs just right.
Very Lucky! The driver who spun in front of you let go of his brakes so they came back across the track into you. Major Rookie Mistake for them. You can see the wheels turning on the other car when it is backwards... Scary!
did you pay damage cost?
dang flipping like that would scare the hell out of me. glad you are okay after that
for something that doesnt look very safe, race cars like that are USUALLY made safer than your average street car even, especially with fire suits and helmets and all that.. theyre designed to handle crashes at very high speeds just as much as theyre designed to go fast like that
Still Learned a lot! The race the next day went great!
So are we mate! Nasty one.
glad ur okay, and good luck in the future
I really think that the reason the car got so much air off that crash was because when the tires touched they gripped onto each other like crazy.
Happens all the time in F1 and GP2. Lookup vids and youll see F1 Cars almost doing a complete flip into the air in a straight line
From that footage it appears you were damn lucky to not get mamed from that crash.. Glad you are ok mate...
Dang, from the on-board camera you wonder "why is this guy flipping" but from the driver behind you can clearly see why. I'd hope that when something like this happens the guy that wasn't at fault would maybe get a discount at least...??
Glad your ok after the crash, seemed to hit pretty hard! Driver error for the spin
One day of racing school is around $1800. But you have to take intro to racing which is $700. Not bad prices. If you are talking about the wrecked car than I have no clue haha.
@NIKAS07 5 gs, thats a pretty hard crash, must of hurt. This nascar driver crashed and hit a wall with over 100 gs of force. He somehow survived
glad you ARE ok. that must have hurt!
@movieapple Thanks a lot!! Things are going really well!
No, you do not. Ask any instructor. The rule is, if you spin, both feet in. The spinning car should have locked the brakes and keep them locked. He's an idiot, locked and then allowed the car to come across the track..
ahhh you poor bugger, looked like you got away with it then suddenly he found grip (in reverse lol) and tagged you. Glad you're ok
@myPETsnailFRED HANS device = Head And Neck Support via a patented shoulder device incorporating restraint straps that clip into helmet anchors. Device is supposed to protect the driver from fatal neurological damage in severe impacts. I hope mine is never put to the test. Most track drivers that value their brains are wearing them now. As for Sebring, Google "Skip Barber", they would love to show you around North America's best circuits - highly recommend the experience and the people.
There was not much you could have done. Glad you're ok!
Yeah no shit, That is about the worst place to wreck. Really nothing you could of done to avoid that.
There was no room left at all. He should of kept on line. And no, in that case you should let off the brake. If he had kept on the back he would of slid and stopped on the track. You should always let your car roll out of the way. If you spin in the racing line, let you car spin out of the way. This guy was just unlucky to panic and try and avoid it rather than let happen in front of him.
ahhh you poor bugger, looked like you got away with it then suddenly he found grip In reverse lol) and tagged you. Glad you're ok
@jimmej955 thanks man! yea it was a crazy crash. I got a new car and finished 5th the next day.
@brandondriftable Thanks so much!!
@lorenzochild thanks! Be back soon!
Even if you headed towards him I don't think there was enough time for him to spin out of your way. Tough break, but at least you survived.
Definitely the guy in front's fault, twice. The tire off the track was obviously a mistake, which started his spin, but he should've just let the car spin into the grass instead of kind of saving it to roll backwards onto the track. The second car had almost no options. Not enough room to brake, the entire right side of the track was a no-go, the only thing that MIGHT have worked was to just veer to the left and hope that he could bring it to a stop in time in the grass. Even if he ultimately did collide with the wall, I think he would've had less damage and therefore less expense if he just pitched it into the grass to the left.
One big advantage to sim racing and even arrive-and-drive karting is that it gives you a chance to get good at predicting the path of spinning cars without the consequences of doing it in a real car with thousands in damage.
Damn scary.. can't believe that guy went that wide out..
You're supposed to go as wide as possible before turning in when you're racing obviously. The problem for this guy is the track falls away at this point and he misjudged it. The car in front of him properly navigated and anticipated the wheels going off in the grass and kept racing. Tough luck here for MJ being the victim.
no you still have to blip but its sequential shift, makes it nice!
@Pappy55 Thanks a lot!!!
I think the bigger rookie mistake is that the car spinning didn't stay on the brakes.
@gewiz1000 Thanks, things are going really well!
@troutman747 It was a little hard on the pocket book but we got through it! Raced the next day.
had u not braked so hard would u have missed it?
I don't think he would have gotten out of it well either whether he would have brakes or not, if he hadn't he'd have to be going to the the very edge of the track and would have been carrying too much speed to carry that line at that speed and would have went off
Indeed they are learning. However, that spinner needs to pay attention to the road, that is about the stupidest crash I have seen in a while.
He needs to learn to drive on the TRACK and not the grass.
@NIKAS07 Yes I was wearing my HANS. Never drive without it on. I think i was the victim!!! Things are going great now tho!
@illicitstill It was just a little! Its racing though!
so, who pays for the two wrecked cars?
some insurnance company
there is no insurance for any car on any track for obvious reasons
oh really? i got even my street car insured on my very first trackday of my life
No insurance covers anything that happens on the track
Nevermind i did find a company that will cover on track for 10,000 a race lol gg
no man, wasn't hurt! Raced a new car the next day! it was an experience, thats for sure!!
@BubbaWatsonfan15 No injuries! Was fine!!!
Since you're fine, all I can hear in my head are the dollar signs ringing up!
GET HALO! Tumbling 60+mph into the Armco!
@NIKAS07 I will as well! Once it happens, you can always learn from it!!
He did it so that he could get out of the way. If he slams is brakes he likely takes out more drivers. If Micheal stayed his line, nobody crashes except the guy who spun out.
Also, the driver really doesnt heel-toe!, Clunk, clunk....on downshifts
Ither way if you braked or guned it you would still be screwed cause how slow those cars are.
The roll over could have been avoided if the car would have had wheels farder appart .
It's a racing school. Of course their will be mistakes, they are not professionals. They are simply learning how to race.
real hero never scared
@Pappy55 Thanks alot!
Did they make you pay for damages?
Yeah that guy got over confident and touched the grass
jesus christ that noob cant hold his brakes?? he rolled back into you
do you know anything about racing?
Damn. It looked quite slow. Until you crashed. Damn :S
If you had followed him as he was spinning to the right side, you probably would've hit him or spun trying not to. Racing is tough like that lol
Had the car that spun locked up his (or her) brakes and kept them locked there may have been a better outcome.
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dude should have locked up his brakes!
@jeffg24LT21 Maybe just a little! My worst so far!
Ouch!
both feet in
Just like the simulations...
But I learned a lot!
True.
ouch!
Ouch. :S
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@brandondriftable It wasn't that bad! I learned a lot from it!!
You have to have an instinct for crashes. There were two ways to avoid this encounter, stomp the gas and get by him before he backed across the track, or use the brakes and wait till you knew which way he was going to end up. Just coasting along put you right in the way. I've had to back out and wait for a spinner down under me. I wasn't sure were he was going to end up, and it seemed like it took forever. He was staying low, and as I passed him I glimpsed a guy who apparently was blind trying to pass me down low. Sure tore up a couple of cars. Avoiding wrecks can be real thrilling. Dale Sr. was really good at it.
505197 They teach you to lift off the throttle. You DO NOT stomp on the brakes.
Ouch
Yes very true! Rookie mistake!
The driver made the mistake of slowing down to avoid the spinning car, instead of powering down to avoid him and get around. But that's the difference between racing mentality and street driving mentality, they don't work the same.
Just like iracing
Spewin
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