I too am so happy I waited and didn’t buy the Sony. It’s truly amazing in photo quality. Never need the OSS because I always shoot 1/250 or higher with the 2.8. And this is small enough to fit my ronin! Thanks for the great review. The image quality blows my mind. It’s my only non-prime and I haven’t looked back.
These 3 lenses for a new customer really do make the Sony A series competitive. I'm a Nikon shooter I've not moved to the Z mount yet because of the cost.
I'm sure the Tamron is great, especially for the price. For me personally, I'm a big fan of the OSS modes and lock focus buttons on the barrel of the GM. Don't expect miracles with IBIS on a long range zoom without IS. But those are just a couple obvious examples. There are several other advantages that add up for justifying the difference in price. To those who are talking about selling their GM to downgrade, uh ... I don't even know why anyone would do that, unless they bought a 70-200 for all the wrong reasons. For example, I couldn't imagine running up and down the sidelines shooting a football game with a zoom that you have to roll your whole wrist zooming in or out on a split moment, as opposed to a tight internal zoom. Or in any active event for that matter. As far as the weight, the GM's weight is balanced exceptionally well with the bulk being towards the camera at the back end of the lens. Feels great in the hands. I could go on and on, but basically if you downgrade, you'll feel it quickly in the field in areas you may not even be considering prior to hindsight. If you're a casual shooter just looking for a mid-long range zoom, then absolutely save yourself 1400 dollars. No brainer. I wouldn't even consider recommending the GM at all.
Thanks for the video. Wondering how the lens goes with low light, fast shutter speed images? Specifically looking at pairing this lens with a A6400 for some night motorsport photography. Thanks!
LOL @ 2:33. Oh, Rob! One thing I'm wondering about is that I tend to get more "red" (vibrance?) in my images than my Canon colleague. I typically use my GM 24-70 and my Tamron 70-180. I have to take a closer look at which lens I'm seeing more red from, but that's what landed me here. You always have very thorough reviews. I hope you're having a great summer!
Robert Hall Photography Professor Hall I have a question, please forgive me if I sound ignorant, but how exactly will a user utilizing the tamron will loose resolution/pixels for being 180 instead of 200? The camera will get what it see and the photo won’t be cropped in post? Am I missing something, please educate me!
Please forgive me if I sound harsh, but how exactly will a user utilizing the tamron will loose resolution/pixels for being 180 instead of 200? The camera will get what it see and the photo won’t be cropped in post? Am I missing something, please educate me!
You're right! With that theory, the Sony 135GM would have even fewer MP. I stopped the video right when I heard that part and listed to it again because it made no sense.
I do like the extra buttons on the Sony,I have mine dedicated to eye af and the image stabilisation can be handy in low light.The Tamron does look amazing for the price though.Thanks for the review.👍🏻
3:31...🤣🤣🤣 man, I love that expression on your face! You slay me! I have a Tamron lens for my Canon. My favorite by far. I love Tamron & would definitely buy more in the future.
70 200 2.8 although metal isn't durable at all. Check out lensrentals tear down. Plastic composite is just as durable these days and lighter. Also the 70200GM is known to back focus as well (unacceptable for expensive lense) . Tamron is the better lense. Also the Tamron barely drops a frame on the A9/ii .
Got the tendon over the Sony gm I because of the back focus issues of the Sony. As far as build quality? I don’t know for sure but if you drop a heavy lens several feet onto concrete I’m not sure it’s gonna be ok
instagram.com/reel/Ca9y2ZqsyoJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= It stands a much better chance than the Tamron. The only thing that was messed up from this impact was the filter thread popped out. Autofocus functioned normally.
OK, What I really want to know, and you alluded to at the end, is are you really goning to sell your GM and get the Tamron? I've been contemplating it myself. Honestly I love the GM but I just don't use it as much as I used to. For my portrait work I'm using the 135 and 85 primes almost exclusively. For my bird work I use the 200-600 and rarely use the 70-200 unless I'm at a specific bird blind I use in Central Texas. I really want to add an R body to my current A7iii and have two bodies to chose from. I can use pixes when I shoot birds.
No mention of the added image stabilization features on the Sony? It is especially useful on the longer end of zoom lenses, and it also could be the reason for the difference in brightness between the two brands.
Yeah I forgot to cover that difference as I've mentioned in the comments. It's a product of 70-200 being my only lens with IS and me never using it because all the bodies have IS, not to mention due to modern ISO capabilities even that isn't necessary to me anymore. Hard to say how much of an advantage it is to the GM, obviously it's a pro to have the feature but the reduced size/ leverage of the Tamron yields much more stability in handheld shooting to begin with.
I think another comparison might be the Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 against the Sony 70-200mm f/4 E OSS. The price would be close and the variable would be the f/2.8 vs. f/4 but, the Sony lens has OSS which might be a consideration. That said, when COVID-19 ends (if it ever does) I may very well switch from the Sony to the Tamron...
I think Tamron is part owned by Sony so it's unlikely it'll come to Z mount. It's a shame because I'm a Nikon hybrid shooter and the Z mount need value 3rd party glass.
You didn't mention anything about the lack of in-lens stabilization in the Tamron . Did you experience any problems at lower shutter speeds in comparison to the G Master lens?
You're right I completely forgot to test that. Although, since it's something the Tamron completely lacks, it's obvious that the Sony will perform better in this regard. Since switching to Sony (where none of my other lenses have it), I've honestly forgot lens stabilization exists. I leave IBIS on unless I'm shooting on a tripod. I apologize for excluding that from this comparison!
Not sure if the Tamron is good buy anymore. The Sony 70 200 is now available at 1799 compared to $1200 for the Tamron. For a 500 dollar difference maybe the Sony is a better choice.
Excellent review video 👌🙂 How was the stabilisation experience with the Tamron 70-180 ? How many stops if stabilisation was possible ? Would this lens be a good fit on a DJI Ronan SC with the Sony A7iii ? Please do let us know. Thank you 🙂
@@swamydayanand4306 IBIS is IBIS, it depends on the camera, not the lens. So my experience with it won't translate to people with different bodies. I'm also uncertain about how this would work on the SC, as despite how lightweight it is the length (especially extended) will be a lot of positive leverage. I'd look for a creator more focused on gimbals for that info!
I got my Tamron 70-180 and mines make the clunking noise as well but not when lenses is engaged with camera. I talk to Tamron and they said that it’s normal because of the floating element inside the lenses. I was concerned at first but I noticed this is expected with lenses with floating elements.
It amazes me how much things change in just a few years. I remember testing 3rd party lenses and just saying no. Lack of sharpness and poor focusing was the norm. I thought Tamron in particular was basically junk. Now one of my favorite lenses is their 85mm F1.8 lens with stabilization. Sharp, fast AF, and stabilization! It’s so good I prefer it to my previous F1.4 85 that cost more than twice as much. If I ever switch to Sony, I wouldn’t hesitate to get these lenses (the only possible exception being this lens as I am willing to pay a big premium if the AF is a bit better).
Great review really cuts to the basics of what the lens is all about. Pleased also you haven't dedicated time in the vid whining on about the lack of stabilisation unlike other reviewers/knockers...🙄
Right there with you. Nowadays I've got plenty of backups with primes that I'm not very concerned about having a build quality issue affect me during an important moment, so if there's any chance of me selling this lens I'll definitely swap.
Yeah, no legacy *lens* (insert whatever) justify their price to the clone, since the clone didn't spent a cent in R&D. As a final consumer, i can see where you stand. As a pro, not so much. There will come a time where the big $$$ will stop making new stuff, because of the clone phenomenon. I hope it's not really soon.
Really want this lens and this video really helped a lot! Btw, my heart dropped when your lens did, haha.
🤦♂️🤦♂️yeah that was a rough day. It looks like just the lens hood pops off, but actually that was the whole front filter⚰️
I picked up my copy at Camera Exchange in San Antonio Friday.
I got the notice from B&H. FedEx delivers it tomorrow!
It has a 2 second delay when used with flash. I pre order mine and i took it back within 2 hours
I have this lens and LOVE IT. I have done 7 outdoor family portrait sessions with it on my a7Riv
in the past week with it...it is superb!!!
In a covid-19 world I rather spend $1200 than $2600 on any lens.
Best review ion the 70-180 i've seen. less fluff. just the most important points. I like that you tested AF in backlit situations.
You do a great job in reviewing, hope you are getting paid. If not, thanks for helping us make better decisions.
Always appreciate your no nonsense reviews, I like them a lot, but I LOVE your doggo😍
I too am so happy I waited and didn’t buy the Sony. It’s truly amazing in photo quality. Never need the OSS because I always shoot 1/250 or higher with the 2.8. And this is small enough to fit my ronin! Thanks for the great review. The image quality blows my mind. It’s my only non-prime and I haven’t looked back.
Mine was delivered yesterday. I really like it. Fast and sharp.
These 3 lenses for a new customer really do make the Sony A series competitive. I'm a Nikon shooter I've not moved to the Z mount yet because of the cost.
Most entertaining video so far. Had me rolling man. Great review.
Helpful as always. Thanks!
got it and so far love it...
Solid review, thanks for the great comparison. The tamron is a fantastic choice!
I'm sure the Tamron is great, especially for the price. For me personally, I'm a big fan of the OSS modes and lock focus buttons on the barrel of the GM. Don't expect miracles with IBIS on a long range zoom without IS. But those are just a couple obvious examples. There are several other advantages that add up for justifying the difference in price. To those who are talking about selling their GM to downgrade, uh ... I don't even know why anyone would do that, unless they bought a 70-200 for all the wrong reasons. For example, I couldn't imagine running up and down the sidelines shooting a football game with a zoom that you have to roll your whole wrist zooming in or out on a split moment, as opposed to a tight internal zoom. Or in any active event for that matter. As far as the weight, the GM's weight is balanced exceptionally well with the bulk being towards the camera at the back end of the lens. Feels great in the hands. I could go on and on, but basically if you downgrade, you'll feel it quickly in the field in areas you may not even be considering prior to hindsight. If you're a casual shooter just looking for a mid-long range zoom, then absolutely save yourself 1400 dollars. No brainer. I wouldn't even consider recommending the GM at all.
Thanks for the video. Wondering how the lens goes with low light, fast shutter speed images? Specifically looking at pairing this lens with a A6400 for some night motorsport photography. Thanks!
LOL @ 2:33. Oh, Rob! One thing I'm wondering about is that I tend to get more "red" (vibrance?) in my images than my Canon colleague. I typically use my GM 24-70 and my Tamron 70-180. I have to take a closer look at which lens I'm seeing more red from, but that's what landed me here. You always have very thorough reviews. I hope you're having a great summer!
The tumble should be a gif.
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Robert Hall Photography Professor Hall I have a question, please forgive me if I sound ignorant, but how exactly will a user utilizing the tamron will loose resolution/pixels for being 180 instead of 200? The camera will get what it see and the photo won’t be cropped in post? Am I missing something, please educate me!
Please forgive me if I sound harsh, but how exactly will a user utilizing the tamron will loose resolution/pixels for being 180 instead of 200? The camera will get what it see and the photo won’t be cropped in post? Am I missing something, please educate me!
You're right! With that theory, the Sony 135GM would have even fewer MP. I stopped the video right when I heard that part and listed to it again because it made no sense.
I appreciate your efforts on this review!
This was extremely helpful thank you I just purchased the AR7IV & was conflicted on which lens to buy. Tamron it is!
I do like the extra buttons on the Sony,I have mine dedicated to eye af and the image stabilisation can be handy in low light.The Tamron does look amazing for the price though.Thanks for the review.👍🏻
Thanks Rob
Thanks for your video help me to decide thank you
It's just me or the images were a bit too fast. 😂 Anyway, thank you for your video! Such a great and informative review!
3:31...🤣🤣🤣 man, I love that expression on your face! You slay me! I have a Tamron lens for my Canon. My favorite by far. I love Tamron & would definitely buy more in the future.
70 200 2.8 although metal isn't durable at all. Check out lensrentals tear down. Plastic composite is just as durable these days and lighter. Also the 70200GM is known to back focus as well (unacceptable for expensive lense) . Tamron is the better lense. Also the Tamron barely drops a frame on the A9/ii .
Also many of the sony 70-200 f4 lens have broken into two pieces.
Can you splain how megapixels are different between these?
I was thinking the same thing! If that were the case, then the 135mm GM would have even fewer MP. Just makes no sense to me.
Very well done ! Thank you, thank you. Also I just came yr podcast, good shit brother ! Keep doing what yr doing.
That means the world, Thank you so much!
Got the tendon over the Sony gm I because of the back focus issues of the Sony. As far as build quality? I don’t know for sure but if you drop a heavy lens several feet onto concrete I’m not sure it’s gonna be ok
instagram.com/reel/Ca9y2ZqsyoJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
It stands a much better chance than the Tamron. The only thing that was messed up from this impact was the filter thread popped out. Autofocus functioned normally.
OK, What I really want to know, and you alluded to at the end, is are you really goning to sell your GM and get the Tamron? I've been contemplating it myself. Honestly I love the GM but I just don't use it as much as I used to. For my portrait work I'm using the 135 and 85 primes almost exclusively. For my bird work I use the 200-600 and rarely use the 70-200 unless I'm at a specific bird blind I use in Central Texas. I really want to add an R body to my current A7iii and have two bodies to chose from. I can use pixes when I shoot birds.
Excellent review.
more videos of lens review please.
No mention of the added image stabilization features on the Sony? It is especially useful on the longer end of zoom lenses, and it also could be the reason for the difference in brightness between the two brands.
Yeah I forgot to cover that difference as I've mentioned in the comments. It's a product of 70-200 being my only lens with IS and me never using it because all the bodies have IS, not to mention due to modern ISO capabilities even that isn't necessary to me anymore. Hard to say how much of an advantage it is to the GM, obviously it's a pro to have the feature but the reduced size/ leverage of the Tamron yields much more stability in handheld shooting to begin with.
It’s on sale now for Black Friday. 1099$
Hi Robert, what do you think about the Sony FE 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 G OSS?
Grower not a shower :) haha
I think another comparison might be the Tamron 70-180mm f/2.8 against the Sony 70-200mm f/4 E OSS. The price would be close and the variable would be the f/2.8 vs. f/4 but, the Sony lens has OSS which might be a consideration. That said, when COVID-19 ends (if it ever does) I may very well switch from the Sony to the Tamron...
Lol 2:35 sec omg I couldn't stop laughing, can't stand watching his videos cause of that side stand and one hand shooting.
My fear in buying Sony was eventually purchasing a fedora.
@@robhallphoto you're a trip rob hahahahah, I was cleaning my living room when I heard you say that in the review and I started dying laughing
Good thing opinions are like a**holes, everybody has one.
Make mine a Z Mount Nikon coming to you soon ..best ever made I have read everywhere..Great video
I think Tamron is part owned by Sony so it's unlikely it'll come to Z mount. It's a shame because I'm a Nikon hybrid shooter and the Z mount need value 3rd party glass.
You didn't mention anything about the lack of in-lens stabilization in the Tamron . Did you experience any problems at lower shutter speeds in comparison to the G Master lens?
You're right I completely forgot to test that. Although, since it's something the Tamron completely lacks, it's obvious that the Sony will perform better in this regard.
Since switching to Sony (where none of my other lenses have it), I've honestly forgot lens stabilization exists. I leave IBIS on unless I'm shooting on a tripod. I apologize for excluding that from this comparison!
Not sure if the Tamron is good buy anymore. The Sony 70 200 is now available at 1799 compared to $1200 for the Tamron. For a 500 dollar difference maybe the Sony is a better choice.
2:35 LOL
Excellent review video 👌🙂
How was the stabilisation experience with the Tamron 70-180 ? How many stops if stabilisation was possible ? Would this lens be a good fit on a DJI Ronan SC with the Sony A7iii ?
Please do let us know. Thank you 🙂
No stabilization on the tamron.
@@opx4real yes....that's why I was curious about IBIS performance on this lens
@@swamydayanand4306 IBIS is IBIS, it depends on the camera, not the lens. So my experience with it won't translate to people with different bodies.
I'm also uncertain about how this would work on the SC, as despite how lightweight it is the length (especially extended) will be a lot of positive leverage. I'd look for a creator more focused on gimbals for that info!
@@robhallphoto Thank You 🙂
3:29 LMAO !!!!!!!! scary though
Enjoy all your vids.. fucking dope 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾.. I’m stalking fedex now waiting on my Tammy to complete the trinity
Have you shot this lens with off camera flash? Any issues?
hi! have you noticed your copy of the lens makes a clunking noise when moved around? the one i just received does and i want to make sure it's normal.
I got my Tamron 70-180 and mines make the clunking noise as well but not when lenses is engaged with camera. I talk to Tamron and they said that it’s normal because of the floating element inside the lenses. I was concerned at first but I noticed this is expected with lenses with floating elements.
It amazes me how much things change in just a few years. I remember testing 3rd party lenses and just saying no. Lack of sharpness and poor focusing was the norm. I thought Tamron in particular was basically junk. Now one of my favorite lenses is their 85mm F1.8 lens with stabilization. Sharp, fast AF, and stabilization! It’s so good I prefer it to my previous F1.4 85 that cost more than twice as much. If I ever switch to Sony, I wouldn’t hesitate to get these lenses (the only possible exception being this lens as I am willing to pay a big premium if the AF is a bit better).
2:36 No you didn't!
What is the asking price for the 70-200m G-Master? Just curious.
Love my gmaster
Great review really cuts to the basics of what the lens is all about. Pleased also you haven't dedicated time in the vid whining on about the lack of stabilisation unlike other reviewers/knockers...🙄
Nice! How much are you selling your lens?😅
20mm less focal length is ok in my opinion. as u said, crop it^^
Or step 2 ft. Closer. Lol
You could by the Tamron Trinity twice and still have money left over to buy a back up a72. Crazy price difference
no stabilization test?
There is no stabilization to test on the Tamron...
2:33 😂😂😂
just the weight difference was enough for me to sell my gm.
Right there with you. Nowadays I've got plenty of backups with primes that I'm not very concerned about having a build quality issue affect me during an important moment, so if there's any chance of me selling this lens I'll definitely swap.
First real person!
I clicked on this video because of what I saw on the preview thumb nail... @.@
I definitely don't idolise anything about Jason Lanier...
If you're that concerned with durability, just buy a spare and keep it in your trunk. You'll still be up $400 :)
You can buy another Tamron if you drop and break it and it will still be cheap than then Sony lol
If someone decides to giveme a lens for free, I'll pick the Sony, if I have to pay I'll pick none because I have no money right now 👌🏼
I have a Sony a7III, and to me, Sony lenses are overweight, over rated and over priced. Tamron Rocks!
20mm less...$1400 less...I’ll take it for the win. 🤨
Yeah, no legacy *lens* (insert whatever) justify their price to the clone, since the clone didn't spent a cent in R&D. As a final consumer, i can see where you stand. As a pro, not so much. There will come a time where the big $$$ will stop making new stuff, because of the clone phenomenon. I hope it's not really soon.