I Get a KBS Iron Fitting and The Results are AWESOME! | TrottieGolf
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Indoor Iron Fitting raised A LOT of questions for me:
Is The Iron Fitting Process as efficient?
Will My irons perform the same on a matt v's Turf?
Will the TrackMan radar unit truly identify the iron ball flight?
Master Club Fitter David Anderson from the KBS Golf Experience answer all questions perfectly and then some!
I compare 4 different golf shafts including the KBS C Taper used by Justin Rose to win the 2013 US Open at Merion Golf Club, PA.
David explains what he looks for in an iron when fitting indoors and demonstrates the perfect balance between information and allowing me as a player to describe my feel preferences.
This could be one of my most informative videos to date so sit back and enjoy, don't hesitate to ask questions or drop feedback in the comments below.
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Poor guy can you imagine having to fit trottie 😂😂
Big Dave was brilliant. The whole purpose of doing this is because I’ve spent the last 16 years on the best ranges in the 🌎, so it was well overdue that I embraced the indoor experience 😎👊🏻
@@trottiegolf love you bruv. Always good content
Don’t tease Trottie! He is a good dude!
What an insightful video
I wish! I love fitting people who hit the ball consistently. It’s so much easier than people would think. Good players aren’t hard to fit.
Trottie, on multiple occasions you asked David a question then proceeded to interrupt him seconds into his response. We understand you’re one of the best fitters in the game, but this was seriously a missed opportunity for viewers who wanted to learn and hear from David. Love the content but this was frustrating to watch.
For anyone looking at the KBS $ taper and plays longer shaft and/or bigger grips. There is a $ Taper “ht” (heavy tip) that’s great for balancing swing weight for added weight in the grip end.
I like your relaxed stance and tempo, nice gear-wear as well, that's what golf is all about!
Dave also seems like an unreal guy, he did a superb job!
These videos are my favorite, probably more tech than I need not in tournament play, but made me a hell of a fitter when I worked in golf for a few years. I’ve always had great success for myself with KBS over DG and PX product, still trying to find a comparable shaft to the KBS TOUR V X stiff
This video is, for me, your Top Video for as long as I have followed you. Why, it was all about YOU and not other golfers fitting. Moreover, you ask and got your answers. Well done mate. For the recored, I to play the S-Taper...it is just in the 130. Lastly, Dave and his staff, have been my go to facility for all my need over the past 4 years...they as Class!
Met you at the golf galaxy product expo earlier this year, always able to learn something from your content. Love the passion and in depth thought process you posses!
Amazing....simply amazing...best fitting video ive ever seen and ive seen 100's ...notice one very i portant thing....Trottie comes across a little demanding and upfrontish...but he's really not...why??? cos he always asks the right question players should ask and are too afraid to... listen to him ask is detail about the swingweight before he hits a shot...etc etc etc...also notice he is not afriad to ask about feel....a shaft has to have the right swingweight and must feel right for the golfer...KBS is very big on those two points when trying to fit the right golf shaft for any player wether it be a tour pro or an average club golfer
just put the $Taper Lite 105 in the 4i to match up the $Taper 130 in the rest of the irons to get a little more ball speed, height and launch in the long irons. TBH i like it so much i’m considering going with it in the 5i too. really cool way to progressively weight within the KBS range.
I did this in the modus 3s and it worked well but I want to switch to the c taper lite 110S love the feel. I haven’t tried the $ tapers yet
Appreciate your passion for the game! Looking forward to becoming as good as you guys in the future ✊🏾
Always been a DG kinda guy but just moved to KBS $ Taper shafts for the first time.
great video! love how you guys explained everything about
Excellent iron shaft fitting, I am slightly surprised that he never got you to hit the Tour V 120 X, yes it is an X flex shaft but when I tested all these KBS shafts it felt softer than all the other KBS X flex shafts because it is 120 grams instead of 130 grams.
my data is ripping but good to know for the future
Absolutely learned a ton on this one. Thanks bud👍
Eye opening for a lot of us…. I haven’t taken it inside for a long time so also picked up a lotta good info 👊🏻🧅
What a great video! Love the in-depth chat about the shafts and seeing how you look at your shots and the feel of the clubs.
Great vid with loads of interesting thoughts. Particularly around David talking swing speed being the first indicator despite the level of golf you play. I have just come off a fitting that I wasn't that happy with. As soon as i said i was a relative newcomer and hit a few bad shots they wanted to put me in a Tour Lite regular despite swinging at 80-85. I noticed i was fighting an overdraw/hook. Even the KBS shaft picker had me in a stiff when i looked it up online Tour R+, Tour Lite XS, S-Taper Lite S. Glad I did not order. I will go back and ask to try based on swing speed.
Trottie is the Alan Partridge of golf fitters and I am digging it 😂👌🏼
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one of your best videos!! Have a great day
sick fitting Trottie, you made the right choice based on data but the Tour V was right there too. So cool to hear to fitting pros talking high level shop talk and just a wee bit of banter at times. Brilliant content. Cheers from Canada
I got fitted into KBS tour lite stiff. Love them
Thanks Guys that was fascinating, seeing a Fitter being fitted by another Fitter👍👍
Speaking personally, I don't want to be told what I am being given until after I've finished hitting otherwise I get "influenced" by what I'm being told. Another pet dislike is if the Bay is too dark, also I hate the "where did you go for your holidays" conversations I find them really distracting.
Just give me the gear and let me do some hitting👍👍
I currently use stock Callaway Mavrik irons from a few years ago and am looking to possibly do a full iron fitting this year for something new, I had no idea how much went into a proper fitting. Something I never considered as a slicer is the possibility that a few degree adjustment might fix the issue as I currently have to overcompensate my follow through which now causes more hooks and pulls.
Absolutely worth checking out, especially if you have a consistent pattern & ball flight then the process could really help you
Great video!! I'm KBS $ 125 and never been happier.
this is such a good video! Especially to compare fitting environments! Gonna have a few rewatches when I do fittings
Was very skeptical with the $ Taper - but i guess there is a legit reason why Cobra 2023 uses it for their King Line - it probably has the best fit for a broader audience - well DONE!
Great video Trottie!
I've played the $taper 120, very nice shaft 👍
I’ve been fit at KBS in Bressi Ranch. It’s an amazing experience.
So much insight and knowledge it was incredible.
I got a full set of SM9 with the 610 125G shaft.
Never heard of that shaft, will have to check it out.
Brilliant watching a good player get fitted, i ended up with the Tour Lite, however, do like that black $ taper shaft.. spot on Trottie, look forward to seeing you play these on the course!
What flex in the tour lite? No place for me to get fitted here in the Philippines. I recently ordered a new set of irons with the tour lite shaft. I'm hoping for a bit more height and distance, getting older now. Thanks.
@@kanointhephilippines8082 Hi, mine are 100gram Stiff - hope that helps 🙂
@@golf_is_a_happy_place9990 Thank you.
Great video. Educational and good fun. Thanks,
Playing the 2020 P7MB with the KBS 120s that TM gives and love them! Hitting the best shots I ever have.
Trottie is the man but he is interrupting this guy like every other sentence 😂😂😂
Found it 😀😀 absolutely fantastic 👍👍👍👍
Really insightful video! I just had a fitting for some P770 and this video validates a lot of topics that my fitter spoke about too so that’s good to see; it’s nice at the end when you get the ‘ka-Ching’ moment with the shaft that just feels right and performs right too. Thanks for the content!
I'm curious what type of golfer you are? I have played p790 with incorrect shafts for 8+ months and it has lead to me being inconsistent with my long irons. planning on getting a new set of 790 or 770 with correct shafts! depending on how my fitting goes...
What was the deciding factor for you getting the 770 vs something else?
@@PittyPJ I was actually going in to buy P790s but when looking at the data, in terms of spin, launch, peak height, carry etc the 770s were a better fit, I’m a consistent striker and have been playing an MB style iron for years before changing so didn’t need the extra head size and forgiveness of the P790 either in the end but I was surprised that the fitting went that way! Well I actually got 1x P790 in 4-iron , then 5-P are P770
I did look at Titleist, but heart has always been with Taylormade, plus the service I got was so good and the results were better than I ever hoped for it was a no brainer for me to stick with TM
I can’t imagine being able to have the ability to fit your own clubs with so much knowledge of the golf swing. I would be the Tony Stark of golf
Great video Trottie… I did get the sense that you were maybe wanting to hit a lighter ctaper. Why not try the ctaper lite s 110 or x 115 as you seemed to like that feel?
I love KBS I’ve got a full bag of the red label love(TD 60 & 70 cat 3 in driver & 3 wood,tour hybrid prototype 85 S in the 4 hybrid,tour lite S in 5-gw and hi-rev 2.0 115g S in 54 & 60 plus the KBS 120 Black Stepped Shaft in my new GT max) and I couldn’t be happier with it,I will be a kbs man for life
Big KBS Guy.... I can respect that
@@trottiegolf I love how the shaft works and looks and that inspires confidence and that’s half the battle in golf
Getting new clubs this year and coming from ctaper and I love it. Looks like I need to give the money taper a shot
You need to get a fitting and test em. That's the play. Good product and 100% should be on your radar
You knew Trottie showing up in that outfit was going to come away with the black club.
🤣😂🤣😂😎
Which KBS wedge shaft is best feel for someone who plays C-Taper Lite (S)? A follow up wedge fitting would be cool.
Ahhhhh you’re ahead of me… it’s in the pipes, be sure to turn on the 🔔
Awesome fit Mr. Trottie. I get fit into the C-Taper over and over. But it feels like a telephone pole. I tried the $-taper, and it was… money!
Best yet trottie. Exactly how it should go. Dare I say, it was "MONEY"! Put the PX in the bin
I don’t think the guy ever finished a sentence… Trottie was a lot of personality for his passive approach.
Too excited & wanted to keep the 🧅's flowing 🤣😂
5:49 -> I should have had this Informationen earlier. After one year playing golf with rifle 5.5 shafts I fought the slice. Shortly I find out my swingspeed is 95, now with the projekt x 7.0 I fight the hook.
I think this video highlights that club head is way more important than golf shaft. Trottie just hit a bunch of different shafts and the height and spin were pretty spot on. It’s about feel, not performance. If you need higher or lower spin, you need to change club head first. Example, a P790 with a project x io or KBS Tour Lite (higher launch/spin shafts) will never launch higher than a P770 with a KBS Tour or DG X100 (low launch/spin shafts) because there’s a 2.5° difference in loft that can’t be overcome by shaft
It’s like watching a barber get their haircut
🤣😂💈
29:20 the habit of cleaning his club on his pants, takes a swing on a clean indoor mat and gives it a wipe 😂
Can't believe they didn't try the C-Taper Lite...... Would've loved to see it compared to the regular C-Taper.
Good to see you’re enjoying the ProSendr mate, after time using it do you feel it is a worthwhile investment for a mid HCP, I tend to put more time into practice, on and off course but prepared to practice and have regular lessons.
Nice video Trottie, great information brotha!
I played taper lite shafts and could never like them. They felt much more stiff than they should have been and not tuned. I went to the Tour 90 and felt those were tuned to me. A “dead feel” is an accurate description of the Taper Lite shafts for me.
Think Im gonna have to go to KBS
@trottie why are you in a 6.5 hitting a 7 iron 165? You dont have enough speed to hit 6.5 i would think. 6.5 guy should be 175-190
You can't do the flex just on numbers but I did also come down in listed flex in this vid but up in frequency I believe
Will you change your wedge shafts to a KBS shaft to match the rest of the irons?
I plan to go back for a wedge fitting.... More to come
Burner mini driver!! Need a video!!
Great video Trottie! Do you play standard length? I’m 5’6 and I’ve been recommended that I got 1/2 short, but I realize that most club builders don’t realize it affects the swing weight which puts me at around C7/8. Thoughts on how to address this vs choking down?
I do not play shorter. I used to go 1/4" short but over time I've got back to STD. When I did play shorter I kept a D3 SW & I'm still on D3 now. I know from tour nobody goes shorter with irons, at least not from memory / experience. Early on in my career I spent some time with Woosie & even he didn't play shorter, only flatter. Tough to ignore a proper old skool flusher like him.
You said you wanted a certain flight in your longer irons. Certainly you could test that, but would you expect to see different shafts for longer vs mid irons?
GREAT QUESTION • I’ve been down that rabbit hole before & I don’t love it, plus not many tour boys would do that unless it was maybe in a driving iron. So in summary no I’m gonna stick with the same iron as the set…. BUT …. I do make a couple of changes albeit you’ll have to wait for the follow up vids to see that. 👊🏻
Did you hurt your right wrist, Trottie? Can you recommend what wrist guard you are wearing?
Trotts, no Top Hat, Cane, or Carnival attire here eh? Fleetwood not returned them yet?😉
Some surprisingly good info here.
What's your honest thoughts on the fitting style hosels?!
My Experience below:
Yes, the club comes out to the same overall swingweight, but good grief! They've moved damn near 4+ swing weights, hollowed out of the p7mc head and moved considerable weight several inches to the hosel right?
How is that weight displacement not going to change the feel of the head for some?
For example I do prefer more weight towards the heel of my irons- I can do this several different ways and with my choice of clubhead. (P770)
Before I knew I much preferred extra weight towards the heel/hosel, I was fit with the heavier fitting style hosel & hit the ball much better than normal- the weight & location felt perfect..compression was easier.. the head felt slightly heavier in a good way, with the displaced weight in a spot where I preferred it more (towards the hosel).
My irons arrived fitted to the *same exact specs* I tested. but they did not feel quite the same as testing day weeks prior... most importantly like some weight had been shifted. *I'm certain* this had to do with the extra displaced weight in the fitting hosel no longer there... do you agree that could be the case and how would you replicate that with my gamers?
Ask any old half- arse Fitter and they'll tell you no, no.. but I'm just not buying that displacing 8-10g weight won't affect feel for some people when I experienced it personally.. I tend to strike my balls a little bit to the heelside & even at a 7.81 hdcp, occasionally will catch shanks in between flushes more often than average w/ same or higher hdcp index...Never toe-miss irons
thought that myself its not ideal having a 8 g weight in the hozel .Why wouldn't a big operation have different heads with each shaft ?maybe too many heads 50 ish?Also no sign of any 90 or 100g graphite TGIs ?
let the people you work with talk! my god
I hear ya. Just wanted to keep the show moving, this is as close as I get to an indoor fitting but crucial I keep the viewer in mind. Maybe on this occasion I should have been more chill, I hear ya & thx for feedback. What can I say.... I love it 🤣
@@trottiegolf i love the enthusiasm man, i do! I love the videos too, cheers!
Well if there was a script… Trottie went off into lala land and did some add libbing and a wee bit of improv
Isn't that every vid? I don't run scrips mate
😂 my word
Let's go!
Trottie, still using the Prosndr I see. How you liking it?
I love my KBS C-Taper 130s on my OG 770’s but I’m looking for an upgrade. I’m now almost 37 and the 130s are taking too much work to activate so I’m thinking about bringing in a bit more help. Those black 790s look fantastic and I want to pair with a new KBS shaft. A little more launch/spin that takes a little less work would be the $taper? Any recommendations would be great. 7 iron is about tour average at 90mph.
C taper s+
When is the witb coming this year?
Great video. I always notice you talk lie angles a lot in fittings. I’m considering getting new irons (I have 12 year old blades). I’m 6’4” but I’m long armed and swing most comfortable with standard length clubs. Dynamically I do squat a bit before impact, short as always worked better. But should I look at getting 1* uprt?
Probably need 1/2” 3 up or something Im 6’0. 1/4” 2 up
@@boxerboy860 but I don’t understand why they go MORE upright as they lengthen them? The club is already going to play more upright when you add length?
Hi Trottie, hope you are well, what was the training aid you were using in this vlog please?
prosendrgolf.com/trottiegolf
I think it's this
Trottie, why not dynamic gold Tour Issue x100? Seems like majority of tour pros like that shaft regardless if they are the fastest or slowest on tour. I'm trying to decide between a KBS and Gold Tour Issue rn and am curious.
The reason so many use x100 is because it’s what they’ve used since they were kids before all these other options were available and now they’re just used to how it feels and performs
What is the training aid he used in the warm up?
prosendrgolf.com/trottiegolf
☝🏻 This 👍🏻
Thank you sir! Great video!
When they take material out Im a bit confused are they taking it out of the club and adding weight to the hosel? Wouldnt that change the dynamics of the club and the cg? I feel like it would promote a pull
Where was material being taken out? Weight is often moved around the head but not taken out providing you have the correct swing weight
@trottiegolf ok I was confused about that adapter. I thought he said he took weight out of the head and was able to make up for it with the adapter. Great video awesome seeing a Master Fitter fitting a Master Fitter 🙌
I can’t believe I didn’t get this job.
What are you wearing on your right hand? Is that a training aid/glove?
prosendrgolf.com/trottiegolf
Just curious Trottie don’t they make a tour v 120 also y not try that one
I have been fitted for my new irons a month ago… the shaft model was back ordered with no date of availability (what I had been said)… they suggested me another brand model, and they told me that no body can make a difference between these 2 given models… I an waiting my club to see… but it makes me…. 😒🙄😏🤨🤨
Hey Trottie, you mentioned in this vid that you want to play a flat lie angle but can't. What is desirable about playing a flat lie angle?
No long left misses, no shots that aren't coming out hunting left and kicking out of play.
Short right, weak as a miss is usually in play.
Plus for me I just like clubs to feel flat even though I can't fully take advantage of it but I don't like left so I guard against it with every aspect of my game and set up.
Weak left grip
Align usually right
Draws finish right of flags
Fades cut off flags
Just my golfing DNA , not saying it's right but saying I know it
@@trottiegolf very informative response thanks so much for getting back to me. U do great work
@@haas4262 cheers fella
Rose changed to Project X 6.5, little softer than C-Taper.
A step backwards in knowledge; no pun intended.
Trottie do you recommend going same shafts in wedges as you have in irons? Or heavier in wedge shafts?
As a general rule I always like heavier but if you’re in anything 120g then you don’t need to go heavier. I would say that I’m in the camp of D4 being as light as you go for wedge swing weights & I don’t hate heavier in your most lofted wedge. Shorter shaft, you gotta be able to feel that head weight on the touch shots.
I can confirm I will be doing a follow up to this video about wedge shafts, I think there’s more for us to reveal in that process too.
🧅🧅🧅🧅
@@trottiegolf playing Dg 105 s300 in irons just swapped from kbs $ taper 120. Was thinking of going Dg 120 in wedges. High ball hitter I want to keep the ball high and land soft
Average 86-87 mph 7 iron.
@@chaddecker8726 yes stay heavy in those wedges .....
Trottie I think you are hitting so many with a pull beacause you are moving( Opening up) your left foot just before you start the swing.
My man's face to path was 0, his move is beyond solid. He worked out the pull due to timing once he was fully warm.
What training aid were you using in the beginning?
Pro SENDR
prosendrgolf.com/trottiegolf
I want the kbs driver shaft but it is so expensive
Jones Bag ….. Cool.
Trottie, do u deliver ALOT of dynamic loft. You are relatively high spin in my opinion. Aoa seems normal
Nah, I compress it quite well. I like a fade over a draw so that'll bump it, plus albeit you think it's normal I am on the steeper side as a result of being quite narrow in the downswing.
I know my faults but defo a high spin guy
Not that high spin is a fault btw.... just something to be aware of
trottie i have the p7mcs and i have toe strikes almost every time , what would generally be a fix for that ? bend it more flat or upright ? thanks
Maybe club is not long enough and check out mobile golf club on UA-cam he has a video explains how you can see what your lie is
Length could be one thing but also how steep you might be into the ball. Generally steep players have to back up or what’s called “early extend” also known as “goat hump” (thrust pelvis forward to help shallow club) . Bottom line, it’s almost impossible for me to diagnose over a text reply but I’d look at swing path first if it’s consistently in the toe
check early release, flipping at the ball at the bottom. Just try to hold off a little at the bottom. But could be early extension, hence why you flip at it...Just my opinion. I do the same thing and I work on extension and flipping...
Bloody Arragant..!!!
Really why? ..... sorry you took that from the vid
You come across so condescending.. Talking over the guy, speaking for him and simply answering your own questions..! Didn't learn anything, only what Not to do..!! Sorry..
@@MrStuart10001 I was defo too enthusiastic here, obv tough as my profession, so maybe need to let go a little if I find myself doing content like this in the future. Appreciate the feedback and if you watch the follow up vid on the wedges I think you'll notice a difference.
Glad someone said this. Not bashing on him but DAMN is he coming across as an arrogant know it all! Hitting shots while he's speaking, being super cocky about his 0.0 face to path metric, talking over him...etc. Complete lack of basic social skills, it's like a home schooled kid. I mean if he's that confident about his knowledge then he should just have done his own fitting!
@@rowengb only call out folks & as I've recognized I appreciate the feedback but this is a UA-cam vid & you do need to keep things moving.
Dave Anderson is a friend and one of the best FITRS you could visit but making a vid v's having a fitting are two different things.
Apologies this upload wasn't your jam, perhaps stick to solo ones in the future.
Thx
3:39 pause 🫢🤣
My guy looks like Jason Dufner's older brother
I always enjoy a good Trottie fitting video but I struggled watching this one. The dude said "let's hit 4 shots" but started yakking after the first half swing. It seemed like a lot of talking and justifying how he would fit instead of just watching and fitting.. just my take.. this didn't seem to flow very well...I would like to try KBS sometime as a long time Project X guy..
Can a human being be any more arrogant? Sure you’re a fitter but you’re in his house, show the man some respect, let him do his work and let him do the talking please. The number of times you interrupted him mid speech is just plain rude.
Sorry you see it that way. David is really good. What I will say is that we’re trying to educate here on the fitting process opposed to go through an actual fitting. I think if you view the content from that angle you’ll have a different opinion. 👍🏻
Ok I’m in. How much is this guy? Baseball player that doesn’t not release the club head. Check is already written…..
This is why fitting with JUST a 7 iron is problematic. 4 iron and PW may be much better with a different shaft. Its not linear!
noti gang
#clutchonion
Flat biller...
🧅!!!
Obnoxious!!
Good fitter though.
where can I get that jacket???
@trottiegolf
It’s Nike I believe , try the website I’d say
little man with huge ego. not a good combo
This is by far one of the best fitting videos information wise out there!! Breaking it down so less experienced golfers can follow along. 🏌️♂️Much thanks to you both