White Sox Bad Culture and Orioles Suspend An Announcer
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
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00:00 - Introduction
00:25 - White Sox are Crumbling
07:40 - Orioles Suspend Announcer
14:26 - Golden Age of Catcher Interference
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I would love for this to be a regular series!
Like this format! Please consider doing more as time allows!
Jimmy's thoughts and opinions on baseball and how he presents them have made me more interested in baseball! Love this format hopefully more to come if time allows it for you!
He’s a know if all asshole…do people not see how he acts when his co-hosts disagree with him?
Yeah Jimmy this was an awesome show today.
It was great to hear the announcers all sticking up for Kevin Brown.
I don't expect the average fan to be aware of the years long ownership drama in Balto. Here’s my attempt at a "brief" explanation with background:
Peter Angelos, a world acclaimed Workers Rights attorney (guy who sues employers on behalf of employees), buys the Orioles in the early 90s.
He’s 94 y/o, in 2017 it was revealed he had full blown dementia, and never set up a succession plan for Orioles ownership. So his wife kinda took over, but then she succumbed to same thing very shortly thereafter (both are still alive, somehow)
There are two sons who are fighting over the team (John and Louis)...they sued each other last year. They are both considered, immature, petulant, and untrustworthy. One son tricked the mentally incapacitated mom into signing something giving him the team w/o the others son’s knowledge.
Peter Angelos was often chastised by the fanbase for making bad ownership “decisions”, i.e. always signing the wrong guy, firing someone too early, etc. But he was somewhat respected.
The sons have lost all respect from the fanbase. The brother who is taking over as owner (John) is probably the more competent one, but he’s way shadier. He ridicules and lies to the local media. The State of Md has made multiple comments that it is the Orioles who are dragging their feet in executing on a lease extension for Camden Yards.
Every time John opens his mouth in public, he ends up making a fool of himself and the media just roasts him. So this Kevin Brown drama supports every preconceived notion we have of the Angelos family and I imagine Orioles nation is enjoying the national media catching on.
This was fun to watch/listen to. Would love more of this!
catcher's interference stuff has to be framing related. trying to grab the ball earlier and move it, and that's probably also related to why more catchers are getting hit by big backswings that have been around forever
This format is top notch entertainment Jimmy! I would love more of these whenever you can
Appreciate the thoughts behind those two big issues. The last segment reminded me of when you used to live stream and go down the rabbit hole on baseball reference
The funny thing about baltimore is that no one would have ever noticed the "negative remarks" had they not made a stink about it. Now by suspending Kevin Brown they've created the absolute opposite of what they wanted in the first place, a swarm of media attention stemming from the fact that they sucked for the past few years. Just an incredible way to eat your own shit when doing nothing about it would have brought no attention at all.
the Streisand effect to a tee
I can't even tell what part of that was objectionable. "It's been a minute"? Saying the Rays haven't been "slouches"? Or what?
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It really is disgraceful and disgusting what happened to Kevin Brown. I don’t think I can be angry enough about it. It reflects poorly on our entire fanbase and team and coaching staff, and all because the son of the owner is a petty, small-minded man, just like his father, who takes personal offense to any mention of the team losing because it reflects poorly on him AS IT SHOULD and his fragile ego can’t handle that.
Longtime O’s fan here, Kevin Brown is a great announcer! Was wondering where he’s been last couple series. Wow. Bad move. Him and Jim Palmer together is great. This sucks
very happy to hear solidarity from other broadcasting booths... battle on comrades!
Ironically as an Os fan ( we don’t claim Angelos), I too got “in trouble “ today with my boss for doing my job 😂😂 To do this though when the Os are having a great year, the vibes are good, making a playoff bid - the Angelos family gotta remind us they still suck
I am an O's fan and I love this team but this is embarrassing, and sad to tarnish such a great season so far. That organization is much better when the owners keep out of the way. I hope KB wants to come back, if I were him I would show them deuces and walk.
Definitely something that can sour a relationship between announcer and organization
SO stoked to see this format make a return!! Keep it up!
nice to see baseball announcers sticking up for their brethren across the league though wow!
Miss listening to jimmy talk ball! (I know he’s beyond busy and does when he can making his company the juggernaut that it is) Happy he found a little extra time this morning!
This was great. Loved it. This is like the next step of you making me love baseball. I didn’t care about baseball 2 years ago when I found your content, the next year I decided to tune in because I heard my team was getting hot, I got to watch my Guardians take the Yankees to a game 5 in the ALDS, and this year I’ve watched every game! Now I’m loving these deep stats. Thanks Jomboy
I really enjoy how Jomboy synthesizes information that's out there, including the fanbase perspective. Heard a lot of takes as a White Sox fan in recent years (days lol), and he sums it up so well: regardless of what has actually happened, clearly no one's on the same page within the organization. Huge bummer, and getting harder to root for them.
Always love hearing your thoughts Jimmy
As a commenter on the Ian Happ/Willson Contreras helmet conking video noted, the increase in catcher interference is yet another reason to introduce robot umps because the ABS system would eliminate the need for framing.
This was an excellent video! Love the “What’s on my baseball mind” videos
Love all your content brother! Please don’t ever stop! 🤜🏽🤛🏽
This format is awesome, if Jimmy has time I would love for this to be a once a week type thing
This is dope Jimmy. You guys always find another angle. Bravo
Yeah man, as an O's fan. I try to watch every game that I can. I love this team... and we finally have something special going on here and our ownership is punching us in the gut. I really hope Kevin comes back as he is a very beloved person in our community and is a big part of what makes this team so fun. The players are a lot of fun to watch, but the commentary behind it is great as well... just sucks. I hope people realize it ain't the players, coaches, fans fault that our team is owned by a pos cheap fat idiot at the top.
I really enjoyed this mini-ep with Jimmy sharing his thoughts. Compiling all the clips for these topics really pulls it all together too. Thanks for taking the time to make this!
I love this format! Nice video
Love this format, Jim
LOVE this format
Wow!
Incredible stuff!!
👏 👏 👏
This was great. We need more
I love that! The other announcers standing up for Brown whose under NDA's and would be fired if he criticized the Orioles.
With the season the Orioles are having it is insane for them to make a move like this. All he did was compliment this years team in having a winning record at the Trop…They had to know it would blow up in their face, right?
Keep in mind this is 💯 their petulant child of an owner, John Angelos. Reportedly they are basically supposed to be complete homers and not say anything that makes Angelos seem cheap (methinks thou doth protest too much).
Great idea- more stuff like this please
Love this style!
Good content.
Keep doing this 👏👏👏
This show is a fun addition. Love the Jimmy-lytics
The Hedges one highlighted another advantage of reach out for the ball. If someone's running, you get the ball earlier to throw him out. Also super gnarly cause imagine if the bat didn't just hit his glove, but his actual hand. He'd potentially be out for the rest of the season. Pitcher hand injuries soon to be on the rise?
My first thought on the interferences was that it would mostly be with runner(s) on base, because the new rules might lead catchers to try to get any little advantage to throwing out a potential base stealer. I don’t know if that’s true or not.
I really like this kind of video
This was dope
Really interesting stuff about Catcher Interference. I've felt for awhile that ROE and ROI should be included in OBP, but I didn't realize that CI has increased so much recently!
Innocuous, harmless things get lumped in with everything else when a team is doing poorly. The Sox clearly need a culture change, but the sleeping thing is obviously not a big deal
Rick Hahn is using that to deflect all the other issues
Hahn Grifol and Kenny Williams should all be fired. These lifetime contracts for front office people needs to stop
More Jimmy talking about things happening in the baseball world, like hearing his thoughts.
Jimmy might be the most passionate baseball fan on Earth. There might be some other people out there more obsessive about the game, but they didn't create a company dedicated to spreading the love and understanding of the game to as wide an audience as possible. Kudos to you Jimmy. You inspire us all to do what we love and make money doing it.
Is this going to put on the Talkin baseball podcast feed?
Love for you to do a breakdown of the fall of the Yankees and the organization.
The depression pun is the only thing that could even be interpreted as bad, and that wasn't even on the announcer... but are they really just suspending a guy because he talked about negative historical facts about the team? They can't be that sensitive, right?! Sure is a head scratcher of a situation.
This is a fantastic show idea.
18:35 you could sort by % rather than number of instances, see if there's anything in common there? But generally it feels like it's a mix of the pitcher, catcher, batter and pitch being thrown.
Shoutouts to Catcher's Interference leaders Austin Hedges, Jake Rogers, and Blake Sabol leading the way in that stat, especially Blake Sabol who did it catching less than 1200 Plate Appearances.
I love all of Jomboy Media’s content. That’s including all of its affiliate channels.
White Sox are one of the few franchises that are a bigger mess than my Mets. Really enjoyed this Jimmy
Pitch composition and location matters for catcher's interference, but a big part of the story here is *bat paths*. There's been a major emphasis in the past few years about really policing the earlier parts of a swing - getting the barrel lower before passing through the plane of the plate. This has knock on consequences for rates of catcher's interference, as bats spend more time in the zone behind the plate, creating more opportunities for interference.
First the vids are great keep it up
Hate being a white sox fan right now. The team is an absolute mess.
Dude we been a joke for long time. It is sad tho and wish I could just switch teams
Free KB!
This bit is prime real estate for a weekly livestream with Jimmy
I've been an Orioles fan for my entire life. I watched every game from 2018-21. Kevin Brown brings levity and joy to Orioles broadcasts, and has since 2019. This situation really upsets me and makes me fear that Brown will leave, and Os fans will be deprived of another talent, just like Miller and Cohen before him.
I missed that "interesting stats that don't really mean anything" series, or whatever it was called. This with the catcher interference remibded me of it, and Inlike this format overall.
Why is it only pitchers saying any of this 🤔
Definitely the golden age of catching interference lol. James McCann got called for it on a check swing against Toronto last Wednesday.
Thanks for bringing attention to the Kevin Brown fiasco
I think this incident happened with John Miller in which something was said about him being too negative against the Orioles? I don't know its stupid man and the fact suspending him was the response instead of just saying something
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Btw this new video style is nice, would love to see more.
Can we PLEASE get more videos like this? This is the perfect length for a lunchtime listen at work!
That broadcaster suspension is asinine. I feel for him
Interference - I wonder if this has to do with catcher framing. Catchers, perhaps, are being more aggressive in trying to catch and frame a pitch.
The stat was on the press sheet that day
What a week in baseball
“So he’s just trying to catch it before it sinks?”
Pretty much, as far as I understand the Giants’ reasons. They’ve got a lot of sinker/ground-ball pitchers, so part of their pitch-framing philosophy is to catch the ball as close as possible to make it appear closer to the zone. It’s just another way to “steal” strikes with framing, and it suits the makeup of the Giants pitching staff.
Also, four of those seven interference plays were committed by Blake Sabol in April. He’s a Rule 5 guy who’s still learning the position, so that’s skewed the total a bit.
Regardless, it seems the increase in catcher’s interference is a result of teams trying to maximize pitch framing and stealing as many low-ball strikes as possible. I wonder if there’s a correlation between sinker usage and interference calls
I agree with everything you said, but I'd add that Sabol is 6'4", so the fact a that he's a very tall guy and inexperienced increases his likelihood of interference.
If I had to rationalize it, I'm guessing the 'it's not like the Rays haven't become slouches' part that did it. But it's still idiotic. No one thinks anything of it if they don't do anything.
Watching all the amazing things you can do with that website and how great the Internet can be confirms again that I, who mostly uses youtube and twitter, am a dullard lol
Crazy that the other 3 guys (Keuchel, Lynn and Cueto) aside from Middleton where WS winners at one point. They know what a winning clubhouse looks like.
I've been a big O's fan for half a century, and I can't wrap my head around the announcer suspension. Nothing about the graphic or his words were remotely offensive. It wasn't even negative, because the overall point is we know the O's are friggin' awesome now and will be for 6 years. The past is the past. It almost seems like Kevin Brown could sue the O's for this decision. It's so unfair. Should we never show Mateo's offensive stats because they are offensive? What are we doing? It's baseball. Everything is stats in baseball.
If you’ve been a longtime Os fan, you know about the toxicity of the Angelos family: how Peter ran Jon Miller out of town for not being ‘rah-rah’ about some bad teams in the 90s, or how they fired the PA announcer right before a game a few years ago for Tweeting about how happy he was to be back with fans in the stadium (because, you know, Covid). The Angelos family doesn’t take kindly to commentary that they believe makes them look ‘cheap’ even though… they are. Commenting on the lack of past success is something the Angeloses take personally and believe reflects poorly on them as owners, which is ironic considering they are pitiful owners, even though the commentary has nothing to do with that. To paraphrase Michael Kay, it really is the mindset of a small, insignificant man.
anyone here think the White Sox are gonna pay Tim Anderson 12,000,000 next year to be a slightly above average defender with an OPS+ of 60 for 2023 and an OPS+ of 101 for his career? Remember the dude won the batting title in 2019 (why does that seem significant, 2019 specifically?) the year Rendon became a beast for one season which was his free agent season and got him the biggest bag ever by a 3rd baseman.
Good we don’t want Anderson on the team now
John & Suzyn were all
"He didnt even bash his team... THIS is how you bash your team (proceeds to bash their own team)."
I never understood the no sleeping at work thing. If you are working a hour salary job then yeah find something to do, but if not get some rest if you need it and got nothing going on. My last job before I retired was the railroad and I slept all the time. Sleeping on the job and railroading is part of the job.
Regarding the Orioles ownership: 'Your honor we object. This makes us look like cheap shark Lawyers!' The Judge:'Well you are Lawyers. Objection overruled.' Interesting stat on the catcher interference. Quite a leap in numbers. Seems like a product of the times. Batters learning new techniques that move them closer to the edge of their batter zone. Catchers pushing the edges of the strike zone with the glove. Pitchers getting finer and finer at the edges of the strike zone. More collisions and more calls for the umpires trying to get it right. Is this one for AI? The catcher was 65% in the neutral zone versus the batter 55% in the neutral zone. Batter awarded interference. Can an up make this determination as accurately?
IM a Giants fan and I've noticed the Giants catchers commit catcher's interference a lot. Just from looking at the graphic you showed at 18:45 I see Junis and Rogers having 2 each and they both play for the Giants. Thought it was just a Blake Sabol thing but maybe it is the new catching stance that is causing young catchers to commit catcher's interference.
wow I paused it at 18:45 to comment this and right after you show that the Giants have done it the most lmao
Sabol has slightly more than half the innings behind the plate as Bailey, but has committed 4 of the 7 interference calls. I think part of the issue for him is that he's 6'4" combined with his inexperience at the position.
I’m an Astros fan. What’s the problem here? Our hometown announcers and analysts have no problem talking about a previous or current bad run of stats or bad play. What I heard from this guy was, hey look, the Orioles got it worked out, yay! Blue skies ahead. Sounds like good news to me.
The next time the Yankees think they have a bad owner, think about this crap. At least Steinbrenner spends money and lets leaves his broadcast crew alone.
If you listen to what the Orioles coaches and players have been saying, it's all about how they don't hold back about how crap they've been the last few years. Clearly they're immune to John Angelos' reach, so it would be incredible to hear them stand up for this dude. It wouldn't surprise me if they're denied the chance though.
great vid
Catchers are setting up too close to the hitters in an attempt to frame pitches low in the strike zone. They are taught to reach out and catch the low pitch, instead of receiving it.
Series this jimbo
Kershaw takes a nap before every start. Teammates have joked about how everyone tries to stay quiet in the clubhouse during his nap.
Giants broadcast has talked about the catchers interference over the last few years. Posey never had many and then when Bart and now Bailey/Sabol have had many over the years. It’s because the Giants want the catchers now to be very aggressive with pitch framing and stealing strikes for the pitchers and accept that we may have some catchers interference.
The Giants catchers have stolen alot of strikes
I think Shohei has 5 catcher interference as a batter, also believe Ryan Teperas catcher interferences came in the same inning.
surprise vid....nice!
Reinsdorf needs to sell. WS are just stuck in mediocrity, they had one good run 20 years ago.
Born and raised in Chicago and been a Sox fan a long. This stuff has been talked about for a long time. Jerry is the problem and his little buddy Kenny Williams have allowed this culture for 20 years. If the Sox don’t have one amazing year in 05. This is franchise is a joke, which they are
It's interesting about catchers interference, sad about Kevin Brown, and hilarious about the White Sox.
I'm primarily a St. Louis fan, but I watch Orioles games, especially over the past couple years. The team rules, their announcers are great, the fanbase is happy and loud at Camden. So much positivity and the owner is acting like a toddler. This Angelos guy was born into wealth and has no connection with reality. What a joke.
What's even worse, is that he was echoing the managers sentiment as well.
I remember Jimmy Rollins coming into the Sox in like 2017 and saying they had a terrible clubhouse. Abreu said stuff prior to this season about how the Astros clubhouse is better than the Sox clubhouse. Sox always write it off as sour grapes.
Even goes back to 2006 Frank Thomas talked crap about the White Sox after he left and Kenny Williams had the famous clapback "He better stay out of White Sox business.' Jerry Reinsdorf led organizations have been dysfunctional for decades.
Jose Abreu wasn't happy with the team or the way he was treated after spending like 9 years there...Lance Lynn confirmed the "slap" from Grandal to Anderson...Anderson whole Jackie Robinson debacle...the sad thing for Sox fans is that until that ownership & front office is cleaned out, nothing is going to change.
Totally forgot about Adam LaRouche's kid... Rudderless ship for sure! Almost no passion across the board