I also saw the truck I was talking about it's about halfway between cowboys and that convenience store on the right if you're coming back towards Jamestown there are three trucks sitting in the driveway now and they chopped it down you can see plain from the road. Now that place used to be cowboys so I would assume if it still is those are his as well.
Bruce, it is not a 1957. I have a White serial number list. Based on the data plate inside your cab on the firewall (from the other video) your White is a WC22 PLT (Pay Load Tractor). This was a pretty common model White in the 1950's. Your serial number, 385460 was built in November of 1950. It originally would have had a White flathead 6 cylinder engine, and you are correct that it was originally a single axle tractor. The grille is not the original one although it is very similar to the original. The flat edge on the bottom of the grille tells us it is from the late 1950's. Your original grille bars would have extended below the front bumper. You have a cool truck. I own a 1948 White WB28 which has also been converted from a single axle tractor to a live tandem. My truck is apart right now but is in line to go back together.
Very good information, I worked for Schwerman Tank Lines in the mid 60s. We had a lot of White Mustangs, tandem with a dead rear axle. Cummins engine, 10 speed I think. Maybe 190 hp..
Very good information! I grew up in Oxford, Michigan which at the time was the gravel pit mecca, I remember these single axle gas powered Whites as pit dump trucks, they were old & battered but still very cool!!
Bruce, you should definitely do a full on restoration, fixing and improving what needs to be while still maintaining its historic character. That way you can take it to truck shows and other classic truck events and show this beauty off!! 😎❤️
@@mmp4610 From what I have viewed the overall cab is intact but rusty and of course there is a ton of Bondo in the repairs (looks as though there is some fiberglass filler in the repairs. A good metal fabricator can repair all of that rust and dents and such using the parts that are there (although I doubt that Bruce will want to go that far). If it were my truck, I would tackle doing the repairs that it needs the proper way (I am not a big fan of the Bondo Billys we have out here, but that would be my cup of tea).
Don’t know if you will even have time to read this or not, but I am eighty one years old and worked in a machine shop that rebuilt heavy equipment and truck motors, transmission and rear ends. Made drive shafts and stretch the frames and added rear ends. There were no salvage yards for trucks that was any where near us so we extended the frame with channels iron just like your truck appears to have been done. I would guess that your truck was probably a large bore gas engine originally. About every White that I can remember working on was gas. Some of the International diesel trucks I worked on had Cummings H engines with two transistors and the auxiliary one was a three speed, under driver, driven and over driven. They were geared so low in under driver you could twist the driver shaft right out of them and break a yoke and rear end if you weren’t careful how you changed gear and drove. And double clutching was the way to shift gear and the transmissions and you using both hands at the same time to shift gears and with your arm through the steering wheel to steer it. Please finish up what Cowboy vision was and restore the body as best you can to original and keep the motor and transmissions if at all possible. 1957 hot rod truck, no chrome, no AC or power steering. Trucks back then were very harsh and hard to drive. Thats probably plain old screen wire in the bondo. I keep forgetting the age difference between us and all the things that were common to me. Like the heater, that was an add on luxury not a radio box. And if it had defroster ducts that hardly worked that was a big plus. Keep it up and keep on doing what you are doing, living a dream. Thanks for indulging an old man.
Yes, sir in the nineties I was a P&D Contractor with Central Transport, and I delivered frame sections to the local Mack dealer. When I was in the tool business one of my customers was a man who ran dump trucks and tractor trailer setups using dump trailers. Well, he had acquired a tractor that someone had attempted to stretch the frame and put tandem axles up under it. Well, the alignment was so bad that it did not drive right and of course it ate up tires not to mention the extra wear and tear on the suspension. Well, he just acquired the proper frame pieces from Mack (yes it was a Mack) and as his son showed me you could put those frame pieces on as long as you drilled your holes from the side of the rails. Of course, I know many people who used the channel iron pieces to stretch frames as well, and as long as the job is done right it will work out OK.
Yes sir, and just about every one of these videos where someone is pressure washing, they are wearing tennis shoes or regular shoes, and those shoes get soaked. I must be out of whack because when I use my pressure washer to wash something off, I wear rubber boots. granted it can make your feet sweat somewhat but it sure saves your shoes. Of course, one could also wear flip flops when using a pressure washer (just don't hit your feet with that wand).
Bruce I know you are busy with other things but, this needs to be restored. If you don't have that time please get it to someone who will. There are fewer of these old trucks every year and this one can be saved. Awesome find and hopefully a great truck for someone to restore.
I agree have someone do the body work, and you guys do the mechanical. It would make for a fairly long build series and i'm sure people would love to watch it
Cowboy is a good name for this rig in memory of the original owner, it would be really cool to restore this thing and make something special out of it while keeping it original, maybe like an old school paint job with a matching trailer like the smokey and the bandit truck but something else.
That's a great idea. It would also look good built like "cowboy hauler", with wood grain details, wild west memorabilia, a classic style brush gaurd and cattle hauler trailer. I doubt that that's how it'll be built, but damn would it look cool.
Bruce stop messing up that beautiful butterfly hood 😢😢😢 leave it off of the truck it makes it much easier to pressure wash the engine compartment and firewall, inner fenderwells!!!! Just wash the hood on some saw horses 😊
Bruce, that wash did wonders for the truck but don't stop there, that truck deserves a lot of time to bring it back to operational. I am in Australia but if I was in the US I would volunteer my time to help restore her and you must keep that colour.
Bruce if that mesh is anything like we used to have (haven't done any bodywork for 40+ yrs) here in UK it's Zinc mesh used to fill open holes usually from rot. Either inside or outside then covered with epoxy body filler and finished/painted however. So glad you rescued this old beauty, just clean inside and out, make safe, and seal with clearcote and stand outside your shop as advert.
Yes sir, I made me some rocker panels on this 69 C30 I have using the aluminum mesh use on backerboard for installing bathroom tiles on shower walls (I just hand formed them and pop riveted them to the vehicle) and using some sort of fiber gel that my dad had used on one of his projects I was able to fill in the form and them after rough finishing it used body filler to finish it off. This was back in 1998 and those good ole boy pieces are still holding up (course the poor old paint job aint fairing so well). Being this is my own personal work truck I wasn't so particular as to how I attached these rocker panels and the rivets worked out just fine. Of course, this rocker panel rusting out was common on Chevrolet trucks form 67 until 72. It was not so much a structural issue but a cosmetic issue.
Back in the day alot of those 22 Whites and R 190s and such just ran 5 speeds and made a 2 speed rear but I’m glad you’re reviving the old girl, you don’t even see 22 Whites at truck shows 👍
Gotta say, this looks a lot better than covered in moss. I think you got to do a complete body restauration on it. You got the means and the facilities with FCR so why wouldn't you. It also nearly looks like a metallic Burgundy red paint now its cleaned. Good job
that half round rear window is the icing on the cake.. also back in the day and still some giys now would add metal window screen to their bondo or body filler to add strength..and whats funny is this truck was probably getting that done when it was and oldie but goodie already ..i can imagine a young guy in the early 70s telling an old guy," try this new trick".. have a blessed day
All vehicles had sealed beam headlights, most early ones had 6v systems. Later on, mid to late sixties I believe, 12v became commonplace. The metal mesh was an old school fix for cracked metal if the bodyman in a paint shop either didn't have access to brazing equipment or didn't have the skill. They would use polyester filler over the riveted mesh and smooth it over.
If I had that vehicle, I would make it like a power wagon fix to interior inside put a Cummins in it. Take one of the rear ends out. Use the frame make it like a off-road vehicle or something but a nice big winch in the front like parades or somethingwould be good. Four wheeler video. Keep up the good work thank you and God bless.
Such an interesting old truck. Looks better after washing. Definitely don't scrap it, if nothing else, just try to preserve it as-is. If you are looking for a long term, expensive project, finish it as a driving truck. Yes, sealed beam headlights were standard in the 1950's and those appear to be the original light fixtures.
I’ve written two books on White trucks. Pretty sure that’s a WC 22 that has been highly modified. The WC series was supplanted by the 4000 and 9000 series in 1955, but the odd WC continued to be built until 1959, so it’s possible it’s a 1957 model. You might be able to contact the archivist at the American Truck Historical Society, where the voluminous White archives are stored, and give them the frame serial number for confirmation. Good luck with it!
The 47 white I got to work on was originally a single drive as well. It had a second drive axle added, it was then transformed by LA White Freightliner into their shop boom truck wrecker. It was abandoned out in the back yard of their Ontario location. A guy I knew bought it off them and cut off the boom and winch and rear drive axle. He wanted to make it into a ramp truck for his hot rods. Lost touch with him over the years don't think he ever got it done. These are just awesome trucks. Cool piece of history. Hope you get it running and driving.
Bruce this old girl is a treasure can you imagine what a challenge it was driving these old Trucks interstate,and yet in her day she was probably the latest in technology 😅😅😅😅 It would be an amazing collaboration between you and FCR to restore it and great content for us viewers Kym Adelaide
My Dad and uncle drove these in the 50's in w. Pa. For Martin bros. Trucking in Sarver,PA. Oh the stories of neutral downhill,and getting pushed by their buddy in his Brockway!
Do a mechanical restoration, fix the sheet metal & Interior where needed, you mentioned that your White was once a single axle truck, I wonder if someone grafted the Mack rear frame with tandems to the White front frame? I love these vintage Whites..
Hi Bruce, there are a lot of old White Super Power trucks in Australia. Some had petrol motors in them and others with Detroit and Cummins motor's. There's one in outback Queensland in Winton at the Transport Museum.
That mesh repair. In UK it was perforated zinc that covered a hole so you could layer fibreglass over it. As apprentices running old cars, way back when, with scrapyard parts we got quite good at dodging up body panels and a coat of rattle an paint.
That old White reminds me of the old Mack from "Maximum Overdrive" that was chasing Curtis and Connie. Those old trucks are in a class all their own. Have a great Sunday Bruce!
After 5 decades commercial driving..Istill fondly remember tee od White..Mack..I HC R series..IHC DCO 405..Transtar 400..Hayes..etc..these old horses required skill and dedication to operate
White Motors Corporation was at one point one of the largest purveyor of heavy trucks in the United States, owning Autocar, creating White Western Star for the Canadian market, and being the dealer/distributor for White-Freightliner. There were several other manufacturers that were purchased….in fact, the company became TOO big and overburdened by debt…..which led to their demise. Trucks like this old Super Power filled out the lines for many fleets….not necessarily the most glamorous(though good-looking machines in their own right), but like Mack, they were some of the toughest trucks around. It’s my hope that this will receive the attention it deserves….at least you’ve saved it from the crusher.
If I am not mistaken White started off with manufacturing sewing machines and then ventured into automobile production and they also had steam powered vehicles at first. Interesting history.
My grandfather had a trucking company. He had three super power whites in his fleet. Your video brought back a lot of memories of those trucks. And my grandpa.It would be great to see yours restored..
I too am in the "full-restoration" camp. That mesh appears to be window screen that was used just to hold the bondo in place while it set up. I am looking forward to whatever you are able to accomplish on this old beauty. I'm 81 years old so there is a very good chance that I might have seen it in it's glory days.
Hey Bruce. Awesome and beautiful work on the WHITE Truck. I actually have a new paint idea for this truck. How about Yellow with the top of the hood painted Black like the others older trucks were painted in the in the 70s and 80s? Or are you going to give it a Red paint job like she had before? And when I said "She", I was metaphorically talking about the truck. So a classic Yellow and Black paint job, or the Original Red paint job. Please let us know down in the comments. And keep up the Super-awesome work on saving that Rig. Please and Thank you.
DT-466 is a great engine. I drove armored truck for Loomis-Fargo several years ago. All of their trucks were IH with DT-466 and either 4 or 5 spd manuals. They were really great, reliable engines.
This truck is super cool!! Ihope you fix the rust but leave the rest and clear coat it. Of course the inside needs a lot of work. I'm sure you can get to drive down the road. Going to be great content!!
Bruce the Old Truck looks so different after the Pressure Wash, I hope you can get it started I'm looking forward to hearing it. Your Workshop is huge and so well equiped, even the Main Dealers in UK don't have so big Workshops. You Guys do a great job on these Old Trucks you all must have a lot of patience and expertise. In the early 70s I drove Whites with a 250 Cummins, 10 Speed Road Ranger, Double Drive Conventional for Mobil Oil in Sydney, later replaced by Kenworth 350, 10 Speed Syncro box, both Cabover and Conventional. Kenworths were brilliant. I'm a retired British Trucker and love to watch your videos , keep em rollin.
wow bruce that cleaned up very well thats worth restoring what year did you say it is and i'm guessing the transmissions are original thank you for saving that ole girl
Been watching the channel for a while and you've been in that new building for a while and you're sure filling it up man more equipment so you can tear down the trucks a lot faster and get them parts out faster
Yeah, I'm gonna need a full series of videos on getting this truck running, driving, roadworthy, and then perhaps a cosmetic restoration on the ol white super power
I can understand alot of interest in this old truck it's got heaps of character. Needs to be restored but don't take the characteraway from it. Awesome find for you.
Just the fact that you've gotten this far is a blessing! Don't stop! This is a rare find! Go grab that trailer, too! This deserves to be shown & shared!! Best of luck!!👍
If that old white superpower truck was mine, I would put a period correct 471 Detroit under the hood. I also think it would compliment the twin stick transmission quite well
@ Bruce good looking old truck Boss my guess that was a piece of window screen in the body work Lol got me 2 cabover T-shirts today & in the draw Bud Kk
Bruce, about the headlights....your truck came from the factory with sealed beam headlights. In fact sealed beam headlights were mandated by law on all cars and trucks sold in the U.S and Canada starting with the 1940 model year.
I love all things automotive including the rescue of the big trucks. There is a documentary movie on the White Truck Company that one could access from probably any streaming search engine that tells the story of a pretty remarkable brand especially the dedication of the workers that built the machine. Every town has a few guys name "Cowboy." Looks like this fella had a lot of skill and drive to make what he needed out of what he had. IMO, you should put the name "Cowboy" right under the drivers window! Gonna be following the build. Much success!
That mesh in the fender is screen door screen..the white trucks were made in Lansing Michigan at the Diamond Reo plant..but Diamond T trucks started makeing white trucks then Diamond Reo came in in 1957 so Diamond Reo made your truck.
Bruce you need to fully resort this truck it would do killer on UA-cam it would pay for itself don’t leave it like it is frame of restore this truck. Put a flat bed on it or something or get the old trailer and fix it up and polish it out.
The mesh looks like "perforated zinc" , in the UK it was mostly used for vents on food cupboards etc, but I have used it for bridging a gap (it bends easily and doesn't rust), then cover with body filler !
I worked on several old Whites back in the 70s , none that old but the most common powertrain I saw where either gas White engines or Detroit Diesel engines,
Hey Bruce. I would turn it back into a single axle. Find an airliner or pete aur leaf rear-end for it. Fix what you can on the body and clear coat the patina. And just do a nice simple resto on the interior. Would look cool if you dual the exhaust with powder coated 5 or 6 inch pipes. Cool old truck. Lots of ways to go.
I Dreamt last night that you turned it into a yard shunter , OMG It looked fantastic with an oily rag wipe over , get it running Bruce and use the heck out of it around the place .
Well sir, I'll add my two cents worth. I believe that I would restore the cab and fenders and the hood to the original condition including the finish. However I believe that I would retain the drive train as is but of course improve and clean up some of the modifications. The styling on that truck is just so cool and first glance one would think that it would be the same style truck that was in "Duel" made in 1971 by Steven Spielberg but that truck was a 1957 Peterbilt so i have read but the styling was the same. Regarding your comment about the copper lines from the air compressor that was common practice (I had the same line on a 1987 International cabover) That compressor head puts out a lot of heat and that copper line not only holds up to the heat but it helps to dissipate it as well. We had a fellow contractor who had a 1986 International and he let his air dryer clog up and the resulting back pressure caused the copper line (it's 5/8 line) to get extremely hot and blow a hole in the line. Well he was able to bypass his dryer and limp home and I told him that we could go to the local hardware store i dealt with and get some 5/8 line and splice it in until he could afford to replace the line. Well he declined and went to a hydraulic shop where they sold him some sort of neoprene line and it cost him eighty dollars and every week from the heat of that compressor head it would blow off. Sometimes you just cannot tell them youngsters anything. Course he had no business being an owner-operator as he tried to fix everything on a shoestring and we both know how that works out. Will be following this old truck for sure.🥸👍👍👍👍👍
Put a modern cut off off of the newer truck on modern front axle aluminum wheels, new aluminum fuel tanks, new exhaust stack all trucks, accessory lights and bright paint job
screen in the plastic filler was a common practice before fiber was added and even hot cure plastic filler. We mixed it hot and hoped it lasted long enough to get formed on.
Bruce, i think you should definetly do a complete restauration for this Gem. It would be nice to see it at his former Glory, with al his Mods. I think Cowboy would approve this.
You laughed about the guy using copper air lines, but the factory lines back in those days were copper in many trucks. I'm 75 and know from experience.
The steel fibers are just some metal mesh body patching, probably with bondo on top to give it a smooth finish. Stuffs been around since forever, used to patch larger dents.
If it were me, I'd finish the install, put daton hubs back up front, run new double pot cans, fresh rubber, but of body n paint, and use it to tote a drop deck flat. (The kind where the tandoms can slide all the way to the front legs) that way it's still useful for moving equipment, shows, parades, fairs, etc.
I would make this my Will it start Truck. off-road package, Toolboxes, Batteries, air compressor, is all you need really. Name it "Will It Start Express" Dixi horns from your forklift. Driving this truck around looking for trucks would be a blast!!!!
What a beauty! I hope you can get the rear axles unstuck, they weren't rolling at all pulling it out of the trees and trailer. Please say you'll go back and buy the trailer, that thing is rarer than a diamond mine.
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I also saw the truck I was talking about it's about halfway between cowboys and that convenience store on the right if you're coming back towards Jamestown there are three trucks sitting in the driveway now and they chopped it down you can see plain from the road. Now that place used to be cowboys so I would assume if it still is those are his as well.
18:52 Metal mesh is window screen
My family farm has a 78 GMC Brigadier just sitting in our junkyard
Bruce, it is not a 1957. I have a White serial number list. Based on the data plate inside your cab on the firewall (from the other video) your White is a WC22 PLT (Pay Load Tractor). This was a pretty common model White in the 1950's. Your serial number, 385460 was built in November of 1950. It originally would have had a White flathead 6 cylinder engine, and you are correct that it was originally a single axle tractor. The grille is not the original one although it is very similar to the original. The flat edge on the bottom of the grille tells us it is from the late 1950's. Your original grille bars would have extended below the front bumper. You have a cool truck. I own a 1948 White WB28 which has also been converted from a single axle tractor to a live tandem. My truck is apart right now but is in line to go back together.
Thank you for being able to document all that, all I have is my memory to go by.
Didn’t see this before my post. Yep. Bang on.
Very good information, I worked for Schwerman Tank Lines in the mid 60s. We had a lot of White Mustangs, tandem with a dead rear axle. Cummins engine, 10 speed I think. Maybe 190 hp..
@@ky.gambler5281 Schwerman Service Satisfies. LOL Yeo I remember
Very good information! I grew up in Oxford, Michigan which at the time was the gravel pit mecca, I remember these single axle gas powered Whites as pit dump trucks, they were old & battered but still very cool!!
Please restore this truck the right way. As best you can. Maybe go back for the trailer to pair with it?
I agree, he needs the trailer!
@@Pyroblood01 2nd that
Yes
Would be cool as hell see this truck restored to working condition "not to parking lot princess status" that Ole gal cleaned up real nice
Yes definitely needs the trailer aswell
Bruce, you should definitely do a full on restoration, fixing and improving what needs to be while still maintaining its historic character. That way you can take it to truck shows and other classic truck events and show this beauty off!! 😎❤️
There is a TON of work that just the cab needs. I don't know how available parts are but I 1000% agree needs to be restored.
Agreed
@@mmp4610 From what I have viewed the overall cab is intact but rusty and of course there is a ton of Bondo in the repairs (looks as though there is some fiberglass filler in the repairs. A good metal fabricator can repair all of that rust and dents and such using the parts that are there (although I doubt that Bruce will want to go that far). If it were my truck, I would tackle doing the repairs that it needs the proper way (I am not a big fan of the Bondo Billys we have out here, but that would be my cup of tea).
Don’t know if you will even have time to read this or not, but I am eighty one years old and worked in a machine shop that rebuilt heavy equipment and truck motors, transmission and rear ends. Made drive shafts and stretch the frames and added rear ends. There were no salvage yards for trucks that was any where near us so we extended the frame with channels iron just like your truck appears to have been done. I would guess that your truck was probably a large bore gas engine originally. About every White that I can remember working on was gas. Some of the International diesel trucks I worked on had Cummings H engines with two transistors and the auxiliary one was a three speed, under driver, driven and over driven. They were geared so low in under driver you could twist the driver shaft right out of them and break a yoke and rear end if you weren’t careful how you changed gear and drove. And double clutching was the way to shift gear and the transmissions and you using both hands at the same time to shift gears and with your arm through the steering wheel to steer it.
Please finish up what Cowboy vision was and restore the body as best you can to original and keep the motor and transmissions if at all possible. 1957 hot rod truck, no chrome, no AC or power steering. Trucks back then were very harsh and hard to drive. Thats probably plain old screen wire in the bondo. I keep forgetting the age difference between us and all the things that were common to me. Like the heater, that was an add on luxury not a radio box. And if it had defroster ducts that hardly worked that was a big plus. Keep it up and keep on doing what you are doing, living a dream. Thanks for indulging an old man.
I'm 64,my Dad and uncle drove these in the late 50's in w. Pa. Oh, the stories!!
Yes, sir in the nineties I was a P&D Contractor with Central Transport, and I delivered frame sections to the local Mack dealer. When I was in the tool business one of my customers was a man who ran dump trucks and tractor trailer setups using dump trailers. Well, he had acquired a tractor that someone had attempted to stretch the frame and put tandem axles up under it. Well, the alignment was so bad that it did not drive right and of course it ate up tires not to mention the extra wear and tear on the suspension. Well, he just acquired the proper frame pieces from Mack (yes it was a Mack) and as his son showed me you could put those frame pieces on as long as you drilled your holes from the side of the rails. Of course, I know many people who used the channel iron pieces to stretch frames as well, and as long as the job is done right it will work out OK.
Bruce filming himself. While pressure washing an old Truck . The simplest videos are the Best . Thank you
Yes sir, and just about every one of these videos where someone is pressure washing, they are wearing tennis shoes or regular shoes, and those shoes get soaked. I must be out of whack because when I use my pressure washer to wash something off, I wear rubber boots. granted it can make your feet sweat somewhat but it sure saves your shoes. Of course, one could also wear flip flops when using a pressure washer (just don't hit your feet with that wand).
Bruce I know you are busy with other things but, this needs to be restored. If you don't have that time please get it to someone who will. There are fewer of these old trucks every year and this one can be saved. Awesome find and hopefully a great truck for someone to restore.
I agree have someone do the body work, and you guys do the mechanical. It would make for a fairly long build series and i'm sure people would love to watch it
I wanna see Fitzgerald put this one back together in a couple days 😁She deserves it
Cowboy is a good name for this rig in memory of the original owner, it would be really cool to restore this thing and make something special out of it while keeping it original, maybe like an old school paint job with a matching trailer like the smokey and the bandit truck but something else.
That's a great idea. It would also look good built like "cowboy hauler", with wood grain details, wild west memorabilia, a classic style brush gaurd and cattle hauler trailer. I doubt that that's how it'll be built, but damn would it look cool.
Bruce stop messing up that beautiful butterfly hood 😢😢😢 leave it off of the truck it makes it much easier to pressure wash the engine compartment and firewall, inner fenderwells!!!! Just wash the hood on some saw horses 😊
EXACTLY!! 💯
I felt like I must've been crazy or something, obviously wash the darn hood on the ground or sawhorse or something! 😡
Like everyone says. Dont be a typical youtuber. Do it right. Be different. If you can't. Give it to someome who can. Do the right thing.
Bruce, that wash did wonders for the truck but don't stop there, that truck deserves a lot of time to bring it back to operational. I am in Australia but if I was in the US I would volunteer my time to help restore her and you must keep that colour.
Gotta say Bruce, she is a sharp looking odl rig. Hope to hear you try to get her running!
Bruce if that mesh is anything like we used to have (haven't done any bodywork for 40+ yrs) here in UK it's Zinc mesh used to fill open holes usually from rot. Either inside or outside then covered with epoxy body filler and finished/painted however. So glad you rescued this old beauty, just clean inside and out, make safe, and seal with clearcote and stand outside your shop as advert.
Yes sir, I made me some rocker panels on this 69 C30 I have using the aluminum mesh use on backerboard for installing bathroom tiles on shower walls (I just hand formed them and pop riveted them to the vehicle) and using some sort of fiber gel that my dad had used on one of his projects I was able to fill in the form and them after rough finishing it used body filler to finish it off. This was back in 1998 and those good ole boy pieces are still holding up (course the poor old paint job aint fairing so well). Being this is my own personal work truck I wasn't so particular as to how I attached these rocker panels and the rivets worked out just fine. Of course, this rocker panel rusting out was common on Chevrolet trucks form 67 until 72. It was not so much a structural issue but a cosmetic issue.
Back in the day alot of those 22 Whites and R 190s and such just ran 5 speeds and made a 2 speed rear but I’m glad you’re reviving the old girl, you don’t even see 22 Whites at truck shows 👍
That old White is so cool. I can't wait to see the upcoming videos on getting that thing running and restored
Gotta say, this looks a lot better than covered in moss. I think you got to do a complete body restauration on it. You got the means and the facilities with FCR so why wouldn't you. It also nearly looks like a metallic Burgundy red paint now its cleaned. Good job
that half round rear window is the icing on the cake.. also back in the day and still some giys now would add metal window screen to their bondo or body filler to add strength..and whats funny is this truck was probably getting that done when it was and oldie but goodie already ..i can imagine a young guy in the early 70s telling an old guy," try this new trick".. have a blessed day
All vehicles had sealed beam headlights, most early ones had 6v systems. Later on, mid to late sixties I believe, 12v became commonplace. The metal mesh was an old school fix for cracked metal if the bodyman in a paint shop either didn't have access to brazing equipment or didn't have the skill. They would use polyester filler over the riveted mesh and smooth it over.
If I had that vehicle, I would make it like a power wagon fix to interior inside put a Cummins in it. Take one of the rear ends out. Use the frame make it like a off-road vehicle or something but a nice big winch in the front like parades or somethingwould be good. Four wheeler video. Keep up the good work thank you and God bless.
Such an interesting old truck. Looks better after washing. Definitely don't scrap it, if nothing else, just try to preserve it as-is. If you are looking for a long term, expensive project, finish it as a driving truck.
Yes, sealed beam headlights were standard in the 1950's and those appear to be the original light fixtures.
If you go back with the same color paint on this gem of a truck. Ruby would be a great name
I’ve written two books on White trucks. Pretty sure that’s a WC 22 that has been highly modified. The WC series was supplanted by the 4000 and 9000 series in 1955, but the odd WC continued to be built until 1959, so it’s possible it’s a 1957 model. You might be able to contact the archivist at the American Truck Historical Society, where the voluminous White archives are stored, and give them the frame serial number for confirmation. Good luck with it!
The 47 white I got to work on was originally a single drive as well. It had a second drive axle added, it was then transformed by LA White Freightliner into their shop boom truck wrecker. It was abandoned out in the back yard of their Ontario location. A guy I knew bought it off them and cut off the boom and winch and rear drive axle. He wanted to make it into a ramp truck for his hot rods. Lost touch with him over the years don't think he ever got it done. These are just awesome trucks. Cool piece of history. Hope you get it running and driving.
Bruce this old girl is a treasure can you imagine what a challenge it was driving these old Trucks interstate,and yet in her day she was probably the latest in technology 😅😅😅😅
It would be an amazing collaboration between you and FCR to restore it and great content for us viewers
Kym
Adelaide
My Dad and uncle drove these in the 50's in w. Pa. For Martin bros. Trucking in Sarver,PA. Oh the stories of neutral downhill,and getting pushed by their buddy in his Brockway!
Of course a full restoration would be great, but I don't hate it as it sits (minus mechanical work). It's neat seeing all the history on display.
Do a mechanical restoration, fix the sheet metal & Interior where needed, you mentioned that your White was once a single axle truck, I wonder if someone grafted the Mack rear frame with tandems to the White front frame? I love these vintage Whites..
Hi Bruce, there are a lot of old White Super Power trucks in Australia. Some had petrol motors in them and others with Detroit and Cummins motor's. There's one in outback Queensland in Winton at the Transport Museum.
Bruce this is just one of kind trucks you just have to restore it keep it and show it off at truck show
*Nice* cleaned up surprisingly well
That mesh repair. In UK it was perforated zinc that covered a hole so you could layer fibreglass over it. As apprentices running old cars, way back when, with scrapyard parts we got quite good at dodging up body panels and a coat of rattle an paint.
That old White reminds me of the old Mack from "Maximum Overdrive" that was chasing Curtis and Connie. Those old trucks are in a class all their own. Have a great Sunday Bruce!
Doesn't feel like there should be any rush on completion but the project has a good chance at being more than an antique
After 5 decades commercial driving..Istill fondly remember tee od White..Mack..I HC R series..IHC DCO 405..Transtar 400..Hayes..etc..these old horses required skill and dedication to operate
seal beam head ;lights are headlights with built in bulbs which cannot
be removed when you buy replacements you have to buy the whole unit .
White Motors Corporation was at one point one of the largest purveyor of heavy trucks in the United States, owning Autocar, creating White Western Star for the Canadian market, and being the dealer/distributor for White-Freightliner. There were several other manufacturers that were purchased….in fact, the company became TOO big and overburdened by debt…..which led to their demise.
Trucks like this old Super Power filled out the lines for many fleets….not necessarily the most glamorous(though good-looking machines in their own right), but like Mack, they were some of the toughest trucks around. It’s my hope that this will receive the attention it deserves….at least you’ve saved it from the crusher.
If I am not mistaken White started off with manufacturing sewing machines and then ventured into automobile production and they also had steam powered vehicles at first. Interesting history.
My grandfather had a trucking company. He had three super power whites in his fleet. Your video brought back a lot of memories of those trucks. And my grandpa.It would be great to see yours restored..
looks a load better after the wash , that is one awesome looking truck
Thanks for the updates Bruce have a great week with your family and everyone
please take the time and restore this beauty of a vintage truck
"WOW" The ole truck cleaned up pretty good!!! I know You'll do the right thing, Great Find!!!
The clean up turned out really nicely for that Old Rig!
I’d like to see you have this restored, it would be a fantastic eye candy for your company
I too am in the "full-restoration" camp. That mesh appears to be window screen that was used just to hold the bondo in place while it set up. I am looking forward to whatever you are able to accomplish on this old beauty. I'm 81 years old so there is a very good chance that I might have seen it in it's glory days.
A very cool looking truck .... be nice to see it back on the road 😊
Finally Bruce cleans something before he works on it!
Absolutely love the old truck I hope you do a proper restoration on it and get it back on the road
Hey Bruce. Awesome and beautiful work on the WHITE Truck. I actually have a new paint idea for this truck. How about Yellow with the top of the hood painted Black like the others older trucks were painted in the in the 70s and 80s? Or are you going to give it a Red paint job like she had before? And when I said "She", I was metaphorically talking about the truck. So a classic Yellow and Black paint job, or the Original Red paint job. Please let us know down in the comments. And keep up the Super-awesome work on saving that Rig. Please and Thank you.
You Have to Put sometime Into That Truck and Get it running, Nice looking Truck Restored, Chrome Stacks Awesome looking Truck.
DT-466 is a great engine. I drove armored truck for Loomis-Fargo several years ago. All of their trucks were IH with DT-466 and either 4 or 5 spd manuals. They were really great, reliable engines.
This truck is super cool!! Ihope you fix the rust but leave the rest and clear coat it. Of course the inside needs a lot of work. I'm sure you can get to drive down the road. Going to be great content!!
Bruce the Old Truck looks so different after the Pressure Wash, I hope you can get it started I'm looking forward to hearing it. Your Workshop is huge and so well equiped, even the Main Dealers in UK don't have so big Workshops. You Guys do a great job on these Old Trucks you all must have a lot of patience and expertise. In the early 70s I drove Whites with a 250 Cummins, 10 Speed Road Ranger, Double Drive Conventional for Mobil Oil in Sydney, later replaced by Kenworth 350, 10 Speed Syncro box, both Cabover and Conventional. Kenworths were brilliant. I'm a retired British Trucker and love to watch your videos , keep em rollin.
wow bruce that cleaned up very well thats worth restoring what year did you say it is and i'm guessing the transmissions are original thank you for saving that ole girl
Needs a full restoration in honour of Cowboy! Lovely colour truck too 👌
That would be a great restoration
Been watching the channel for a while and you've been in that new building for a while and you're sure filling it up man more equipment so you can tear down the trucks a lot faster and get them parts out faster
Yeah, I'm gonna need a full series of videos on getting this truck running, driving, roadworthy, and then perhaps a cosmetic restoration on the ol white super power
My first truck I drove was a 1977 white road boss with a 290 Cummins 13 speed over drive and 4.67 ratio diffs
Get the trailer that it was hooked up to and restore both of them.🙂😀😃👍
I can understand alot of interest in this old truck it's got heaps of character. Needs to be restored but don't take the characteraway from it. Awesome find for you.
Just the fact that you've gotten this far is a blessing! Don't stop! This is a rare find! Go grab that trailer, too! This deserves to be shown & shared!! Best of luck!!👍
It would be cool to see it restored.
If that old white superpower truck was mine, I would put a period correct 471 Detroit under the hood. I also think it would compliment the twin stick transmission quite well
Definitely should restore it.and Take to Mid-America truck show.
Wow this is really cool 47th project that will never get finished.
@ Bruce good looking old truck Boss my guess that was a piece of window screen in the body work Lol got me 2 cabover T-shirts today & in the draw Bud Kk
Hope u can go back and get its trailer! 👍
Bruce, about the headlights....your truck came from the factory with sealed beam headlights. In fact sealed beam headlights were mandated by law on all cars and trucks sold in the U.S and Canada starting with the 1940 model year.
I love all things automotive including the rescue of the big trucks. There is a documentary movie on the White Truck Company that one could access from probably any streaming search engine that tells the story of a pretty remarkable brand especially the dedication of the workers that built the machine. Every town has a few guys name "Cowboy." Looks like this fella had a lot of skill and drive to make what he needed out of what he had. IMO, you should put the name "Cowboy" right under the drivers window! Gonna be following the build. Much success!
That mesh in the fender is screen door screen..the white trucks were made in Lansing Michigan at the Diamond Reo plant..but Diamond T trucks started makeing white trucks then Diamond Reo came in in 1957 so Diamond Reo made your truck.
This thing all restored would look great.
Bruce you need to fully resort this truck it would do killer on UA-cam it would pay for itself don’t leave it like it is frame of restore this truck. Put a flat bed on it or something or get the old trailer and fix it up and polish it out.
The mesh looks like "perforated zinc" , in the UK it was mostly used for vents on food cupboards etc, but I have used it for bridging a gap (it bends easily and doesn't rust), then cover with body filler !
Got to do a full restoration make it a show truck
I worked on several old Whites back in the 70s , none that old but the most common powertrain I saw where either gas White engines or Detroit Diesel engines,
The mesh was used to cover holes so body filler not to fall through
Hey Bruce. I would turn it back into a single axle. Find an airliner or pete aur leaf rear-end for it. Fix what you can on the body and clear coat the patina. And just do a nice simple resto on the interior. Would look cool if you dual the exhaust with powder coated 5 or 6 inch pipes. Cool old truck. Lots of ways to go.
We all love this truck
Great video Bruce I really like the clean up of these trucks I hope you make one of cleaning the inside keep them coming😊😊😊
Get it road legal, leave the patina and drive that beast. Probably the coolest project truck you have bought to date
I Dreamt last night that you turned it into a yard shunter , OMG It looked fantastic with an oily rag wipe over ,
get it running Bruce and use the heck out of it around the place .
I got an old 50's or 60's rusty single axle tanker that would look great behind that truck.
I get Duel Truck vibes off this thing. I'd go back and get that beat up trailer to complete the look.
I was waiting for this video thanks!
For people don't have a pressure washer at home, I use dawn dish soap, mean green disgreaser and car soap wash and it will come out nice and clean
Well sir, I'll add my two cents worth. I believe that I would restore the cab and fenders and the hood to the original condition including the finish. However I believe that I would retain the drive train as is but of course improve and clean up some of the modifications. The styling on that truck is just so cool and first glance one would think that it would be the same style truck that was in "Duel" made in 1971 by Steven Spielberg but that truck was a 1957 Peterbilt so i have read but the styling was the same. Regarding your comment about the copper lines from the air compressor that was common practice (I had the same line on a 1987 International cabover) That compressor head puts out a lot of heat and that copper line not only holds up to the heat but it helps to dissipate it as well. We had a fellow contractor who had a 1986 International and he let his air dryer clog up and the resulting back pressure caused the copper line (it's 5/8 line) to get extremely hot and blow a hole in the line. Well he was able to bypass his dryer and limp home and I told him that we could go to the local hardware store i dealt with and get some 5/8 line and splice it in until he could afford to replace the line. Well he declined and went to a hydraulic shop where they sold him some sort of neoprene line and it cost him eighty dollars and every week from the heat of that compressor head it would blow off. Sometimes you just cannot tell them youngsters anything. Course he had no business being an owner-operator as he tried to fix everything on a shoestring and we both know how that works out. Will be following this old truck for sure.🥸👍👍👍👍👍
Put a modern cut off off of the newer truck on modern front axle aluminum wheels, new aluminum fuel tanks, new exhaust stack all trucks, accessory lights and bright paint job
A classic never goes outta style
screen in the plastic filler was a common practice before fiber was added and even hot cure plastic filler. We mixed it hot and hoped it lasted long enough to get formed on.
Please restore the truck it one of a kind
Bruce, i think you should definetly do a complete restauration for this Gem. It would be nice to see it at his former Glory, with al his Mods. I think Cowboy would approve this.
Wishful thinking!! He cant fix shit much less restore anything. His history speaks volumes.
You laughed about the guy using copper air lines, but the factory lines back in those days were copper in many trucks. I'm 75 and know from experience.
Man, thats such a wicked rig.. pls spend the time and make it roadworthy again..
Would love to see you restore it Bruce.
Bruce this could get some good views. Id love to see this restored. Hopefully this becomes a project
Restored, she will be a beauty.
The steel fibers are just some metal mesh body patching, probably with bondo on top to give it a smooth finish. Stuffs been around since forever, used to patch larger dents.
If it were me, I'd finish the install, put daton hubs back up front, run new double pot cans, fresh rubber, but of body n paint, and use it to tote a drop deck flat. (The kind where the tandoms can slide all the way to the front legs) that way it's still useful for moving equipment, shows, parades, fairs, etc.
I would make this my Will it start Truck. off-road package, Toolboxes, Batteries, air compressor, is all you need really. Name it "Will It Start Express" Dixi horns from your forklift. Driving this truck around looking for trucks would be a blast!!!!
Looks AWESOME
What a beauty! I hope you can get the rear axles unstuck, they weren't rolling at all pulling it out of the trees and trailer. Please say you'll go back and buy the trailer, that thing is rarer than a diamond mine.