Yea V1 sounds better. I'm not sure why the difference would be attributed to a softening of the dry signal on the V1 when you've got the dry turned off though. With the Mix all the way up, there's no dry at all right? And the V1 still sounds noticeably better.
@@klfaregonnarocku Strymon's response: "That video is not indicative of how the current pedal operates. There were some changes made in a firmware update to adjust the algorithms to get the sounds to match between the V1 and V2 pedals, and that video was released over a year ago. "
My initial email for reference: "Hi there. I own both versions of thr DIG and have an El Cap V2 and Conduit and one of your ower supplies (not sure which one lol). Would you be able to explain what is going on in this video as far as the differences heard when both pedals are 100% wet? Thanks!"
Good Vid, I myself will stick with V1, for the difference in monies, V2 is not an upgrade i'm going for. The shiney new thing marketing won't work on me this time lol
When you’re trying to match the knobs to find differences in this way, all you’re really achieving is showing is that there is a varying tolerance in all potentiometers.
Great demo, but for the sound difference you keep saying controls are we the same. What about the tone control on the v2? You’ve set that at 12. What if fully clockwise was the same as the v1 and the tone rolls off highs from there. Plus the new jfet circuit will be having an effect. Would be good to see something like this with all controls set the same and just changing the tone settings on the v2 to compare
I think the tone of the repeats on V2 are not as bright. My guess is if you tweaked the tone control you would have them sound closer. I have both V1 and V2 too but have not compared yet.
@Made by Miike I understand. Not sure if the tone control positioning corresponds to the same sound on each pedal. I suspect you could get both pedals to sound very similar if you adjusted more by ear than by sight. I have witnessed this type of phenomenon before in other devices. Just a few thoughts :-)
@@MadebyMiike Potentiometers do have some variance so just having the exact same settings might not always have 100% identical results. Even Strymon's own manuals say things like "Mix at about 3 o'clock is unity" on some of their pedals. I think it would be better to take your V1 sound you prefer and see if you can dial the V2 to sound the same.
Thanks for making this video! I think one of your potential issues with your comparison where you might be experiencing a slight tone difference is that you have different brands of cables plugged into the two units. You really need to use the exact same cables to have a completely accurate a/b test. Yes, some cables/patch cables sound brighter, fuller, thinner, etc.. than others. Thanks again for the doing the video. I'm a long time DIG .v1 user an appreciate seeing the comparison with the .v2 version.
You didn’t describe what is going on before the first pedal, but I can see you are using an ABY cable so I think that there is probably no way the two pedals will see the same source impedance, true bypass or not (assuming you’re feeding both inputs of second DIG). I would try the same experiment with the two pedals in reverse order and see if the result isn’t the exact opposite.
@@mistercaptain2000 You are right, I could have discribed what was going on in front of the pedals...not much. There was one cable into the first Dig from the FX Loop out and two cables to the FX Loop in.
You have pinpointed what I didn’t like about V2. I played a V1, but never owned one, and purchased a V2 after they came out, as 80s style rack delays are my favorite. I like early digital delays because they are warm but still punchy and in your face. Compared to my other favorites, Free the Tone Future Factory and Eventide Rose, the Dig V2 seemed like it was always trying to smear the repeats and sit back in the mix. That was nice for some things, but, to be honest, if I wanted a delay that was soft and would fade into the background I would buy and analog one or a tape-style delay. To me, the Dig V2 seemed to be the digital delay for people that don’t like digital delays.
Thanks for this!! Can't believe yours is the only comparison video
Tested both a lot. Think i solved the difference by setting dry level to unity gain and have mix set slightly higher than v1
Wow, the v1 has a noticeably different tone...more 3d and sweet to my ear
Great demo. I would love to see you do the Lex / V1 vs. V2 - Very nice thorough demo you’ve done here - Cheers
Yea V1 sounds better. I'm not sure why the difference would be attributed to a softening of the dry signal on the V1 when you've got the dry turned off though. With the Mix all the way up, there's no dry at all right? And the V1 still sounds noticeably better.
That's right, mix all the way up = 100% wet. I have no idea why that could be, glad I am not the only one hearing it though!
The fuck do you mean better? lmao how?
Just emailed Strymon to get their take using your video for reference. I own both V1 and V2.
what did they say? They have got back to me abvout the volante before.
@@klfaregonnarocku Strymon's response: "That video is not indicative of how the current pedal operates. There were some changes made in a firmware update to adjust the algorithms to get the sounds to match between the V1 and V2 pedals, and that video was released over a year ago. "
12/19/23 is the email reply date.
My initial email for reference: "Hi there. I own both versions of thr DIG and have an El Cap V2 and Conduit and one of your ower supplies (not sure which one lol).
Would you be able to explain what is going on in this video as far as the differences heard when both pedals are 100% wet?
Thanks!"
Typos included!
Good Vid, I myself will stick with V1, for the difference in monies, V2 is not an upgrade i'm going for. The shiney new thing marketing won't work on me this time lol
When you’re trying to match the knobs to find differences in this way, all you’re really achieving is showing is that there is a varying tolerance in all potentiometers.
If the difference is down to the JFET input stage, that could be very rig dependent, and depend a lot on whatever impedances are involved.
How precisely did you try to match the tone control on the v2 with the tone of the v1?
Would love to hear another demo playing with the tone control to see if there is a match.
The V2 has a buffer, could that have given the V1 more high end, given that are both in series and the V1 is after V2?
Great demo, but for the sound difference you keep saying controls are we the same. What about the tone control on the v2? You’ve set that at 12. What if fully clockwise was the same as the v1 and the tone rolls off highs from there. Plus the new jfet circuit will be having an effect. Would be good to see something like this with all controls set the same and just changing the tone settings on the v2 to compare
was that a subtle Norm Macdonald reference to Frank Stallone?? @3:20ish
Let me put it this way: the more I learn about this Norm MacDonald the less I care for him! ;-)
I purchased a midnight v1 based on your demo. I like the sound better and do not need midi.
Have fun, it's an awesome pedal!
V2 has JFet preamp so maybe there is a difference between them.
V1
Sounds better?
Yo I might be wrong but I see your ring and tip are reversed in the V2… maybe you don’t have them in the proper ins and outs?
I think the tone of the repeats on V2 are not as bright. My guess is if you tweaked the tone control you would have them sound closer. I have both V1 and V2 too but have not compared yet.
Don't know, both tone controls were set perfectly to noon.
@Made by Miike I understand. Not sure if the tone control positioning corresponds to the same sound on each pedal. I suspect you could get both pedals to sound very similar if you adjusted more by ear than by sight. I have witnessed this type of phenomenon before in other devices. Just a few thoughts :-)
@@MadebyMiike Potentiometers do have some variance so just having the exact same settings might not always have 100% identical results. Even Strymon's own manuals say things like "Mix at about 3 o'clock is unity" on some of their pedals. I think it would be better to take your V1 sound you prefer and see if you can dial the V2 to sound the same.
@@MadebyMiike But the V1 does'nt have a tone pot
@@Johnmannishyes it does (a high or low cut filter), it’s a secondary function.
Thanks for making this video! I think one of your potential issues with your comparison where you might be experiencing a slight tone difference is that you have different brands of cables plugged into the two units. You really need to use the exact same cables to have a completely accurate a/b test. Yes, some cables/patch cables sound brighter, fuller, thinner, etc.. than others. Thanks again for the doing the video. I'm a long time DIG .v1 user an appreciate seeing the comparison with the .v2 version.
But they are in series? So any potential sound changes produced by the cables will be affecting both pedals, me thinks.
@@MadebyMiike Got it. I thought they were in parallel. Thanks.
You didn’t describe what is going on before the first pedal, but I can see you are using an ABY cable so I think that there is probably no way the two pedals will see the same source impedance, true bypass or not (assuming you’re feeding both inputs of second DIG). I would try the same experiment with the two pedals in reverse order and see if the result isn’t the exact opposite.
@@mistercaptain2000 You are right, I could have discribed what was going on in front of the pedals...not much. There was one cable into the first Dig from the FX Loop out and two cables to the FX Loop in.
You guessed it… Frank Stallone 👏👏👏
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Mega Demo!
You have pinpointed what I didn’t like about V2. I played a V1, but never owned one, and purchased a V2 after they came out, as 80s style rack delays are my favorite. I like early digital delays because they are warm but still punchy and in your face. Compared to my other favorites, Free the Tone Future Factory and Eventide Rose, the Dig V2 seemed like it was always trying to smear the repeats and sit back in the mix. That was nice for some things, but, to be honest, if I wanted a delay that was soft and would fade into the background I would buy and analog one or a tape-style delay. To me, the Dig V2 seemed to be the digital delay for people that don’t like digital delays.
That's an interesting observation Nick! Thanks for sharing (and watching!)
Nice demo, but now flip the signal chain around and get back to us with your thoughts, after you issue a public apology to Strymon lol
Oh I did. They definitely sound different. Not better or worse, different. No public apology needed.