FORD ADMITS ECO BOOST ENGINE FAILURE

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  • Hi guys, in this video we talk about the latest news from ford which has admitted faults with its Eco boost engine units. We talk about what's been reported and the ongoing issues that have plagued this engine since its release in 2011.
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  • @carukchannel
    @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +58

    If anyone has experienced Engine failure on a 1.0Ecoboost engine in particular fitted with an automatic gearbox on models 2016-2022 please get in touch by email in the description. I would like to hear from you. 👍👍

    • @Robert.Youngblood
      @Robert.Youngblood 4 місяці тому +6

      They need to do a recall on the 3.5 ecoboost internal water pump in the ford explorers.

    • @irishmadden9295
      @irishmadden9295 4 місяці тому +2

      How do I check if my car is up for recall, I've a light on my dash says it's a sensor in exhaust got it replaced light is back on it has under 79 thousand km on the clock could this be a problem I should be looking into?

    • @tempromental
      @tempromental 4 місяці тому +3

      Yeah we’ve had new engine fitted see my comment below 👇

    • @worthyo
      @worthyo 4 місяці тому +2

      We have the same issues on a Peugeot 308..same engine.. twice we have remover the sump and cleaned the primary pump. Only done .36k.

    • @daanvanselm
      @daanvanselm 4 місяці тому +4

      Not the same engine, same principle.

  • @AndrewKNI
    @AndrewKNI 4 місяці тому +302

    And this is the engine that won so many awards. Just shows that awards mean very little.

    • @G-ra-ha-m
      @G-ra-ha-m 4 місяці тому +4

      There was a phase of fitting inlet thermostats to engines.
      It's what killed all the first water cooled Porsche engines, and a few other brands.
      Bet that won an award too.

    • @AndrewKNI
      @AndrewKNI 4 місяці тому +15

      @@G-ra-ha-m Yes, why do they keep trying to reinvent stuff which turns out inferior. If I remember correctly the older Ford engines were pretty durable.

    • @neil1997
      @neil1997 4 місяці тому +15

      Think it represents the number of awards Ford sponsored!

    • @G-ra-ha-m
      @G-ra-ha-m 4 місяці тому +4

      @@AndrewKNI I think there must have been a paper showing how it saved fuel or something - even Toyota used it in the 1Kz. The K series too, IIRC.
      It was crazy as the reaction time was very slow (the thermostate felt a bypass flow from the head + the incoming), so in cold weather it created spectacular head temperature oscillations and wrecked many head gaskets as a result.

    • @nigelbaldwin752
      @nigelbaldwin752 4 місяці тому +22

      Bit like giving honours out to head of post office who's main achievement was the devastation of so many lives, dishonesty arrogance and 'elitist back patting' at it's best.

  • @nahteo
    @nahteo 4 місяці тому +479

    As an American, I mostly buy Toyotas that haven't been changed in years. I never buy new tech the first 5-15 years. When an auto journalist says "they need to update the 4Runner, it's mechanically the same for 14 years now" That's the engine I want. I want the last model year before the "all new" design comes out. The updated vehicle can have all the engineering awards, I want the car with many "million mile awards" ...that's the one for me.

    • @beterbey
      @beterbey 4 місяці тому +23

      That's absolutely the right strategy. Never buy the first 1-2 years of any brand at all..

    • @LoveClassicMusic0205
      @LoveClassicMusic0205 4 місяці тому +22

      I think my next vehicle is going to be a Toyota. They seem to be the only automaker which hasn't drunk the EV Kool Aid. I would definitely be interested in one of their hybrids.

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 4 місяці тому +11

      Same here, Honda though. Just picked up a very nice Honda Pilot, 2013 model year, service records out the rear end... Very clean, rust free, a little clear coat work needs to be done with a wheel, but that is about it. Super easy to work on too, just getting her caught up on the little things, fresh fluids, cleaning up sensors and changing out a few gaskets that are known to fail down the road. I actually enjoy working on this vehicle, and everything is within reach, no need to loosen motor mounts or any of that nonsense to get around the engine bay. Well done Honda!

    • @michaelwright1602
      @michaelwright1602 4 місяці тому +2

      @@LoveClassicMusic0205Just watch the direct injection and CVT transmission.

    • @LoveClassicMusic0205
      @LoveClassicMusic0205 4 місяці тому +7

      @@michaelwright1602 I thought their CVTs were good. They're AISIN and not JATCO.

  • @ianflaherty9555
    @ianflaherty9555 3 місяці тому +20

    My daughter was a victim of this problem. Engine blew up without warning at 45,000 miles. So frustrating that customers such as her have had no recourse to compensation. We have always been a Ford family but no more. To have a known issue out in the field for so long and do nothing about it is a disgrace and even now that they admit to the problem they offer the bare minimum. Thanks for the Video and the link to the article

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  3 місяці тому +1

      sorry to hear this and thanks for watching ian

    • @marcyspandet5009
      @marcyspandet5009 2 місяці тому +1

      This happened to me in Jan 2019 ecosport 64000 Miles. Needs complete new engine. Now April. Still waiting

    • @gerrybrennan7205
      @gerrybrennan7205 17 днів тому

      @@marcyspandet5009 ....ards comes to mind

  • @DavidSando-ty7hq
    @DavidSando-ty7hq 2 місяці тому +6

    I have a 2015 ecoboost fiesta have done 38000 miles. Had overheating problems and took it back to ford they said there was nothing wrong and charged me for a diagnostic check. Also had clutch problems where i could not get the car into gear but it was so intermittant private garages could not sort the problem without a total strip down. I am now waiting for the belt problem because i know someone with an earlier model than mine who had the problem so i think it goes back beyond 2015. It costs a fortune to own this great little car. Have not been back to ford as i am disgusted with their attitude on the overheating problem. Thanks for highlighting this cars many faults.

  • @RobertNES816
    @RobertNES816 4 місяці тому +163

    All of these car companies should be held fully accountable for their major defects. It isn't right that large companies get to screw people over and basically say we don't have an issue when they know they do.

    • @kaloyancholakov3725
      @kaloyancholakov3725 4 місяці тому +3

      Their punishment is people stop buying their products because their investments is ruined

    • @robinwells8879
      @robinwells8879 4 місяці тому +3

      Well if people return to a brand that let them down in the past they perhaps deserve it. People are remarkably tribal with their brands.

    • @RobertNES816
      @RobertNES816 4 місяці тому +2

      @@robinwells8879 well not me. I've been through Pontiac, Chevy, Toyota, Subaru and Mazda. So far Mazda has been the only company that's stepped up to help without much effort on my part. Subaru and GM could care less.

    • @someonethatwatchesyoutube2953
      @someonethatwatchesyoutube2953 4 місяці тому +3

      Most of the blame has to be placed on the (unelected) government agencies that make laws requiring ever more stringent pollution and gas mileage requirements. That’s the only reason the manufacturers make these ridiculously complicated engines.

    • @jasongrisdale3084
      @jasongrisdale3084 4 місяці тому

      Did u just wake up from a coma....this crap has been going on for decades....this isn't new....if u don't do research on what's a good vehicle then u r most likely going to end up with crap

  • @carukchannel
    @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +65

    Hope you enjoy this short video where I discuss the latest news from Ford over its 1.0 Eco boost engine and the latest recall they have ordered in the US. Watch this space as recalls will no doubt end up happening in the UK.

    • @wl660
      @wl660 4 місяці тому +1

      I understood a big factor in the belt failures were incorrect spec of oil being used dur8ng servicing, breaking down the belt…(EDIT you later mention this).

    • @egocd
      @egocd 4 місяці тому +4

      What makes you think it'll happen in the UK? The only reason these recalls happen in the US is because of lawsuits.

    • @gavinf2243
      @gavinf2243 4 місяці тому +1

      Fuel consumption on my eco sport with an auto box is dreadful even on a motorway run, 36 mpg max even driving at 55mph!

    • @Driver-UK
      @Driver-UK 4 місяці тому +1

      Yes … Shocking MPG Automatic 2019 in very good condition fully serviced had it from 9000 miles and average long term mileage is the same 36mpg driven very carefully 🙁

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому

      No chance of this happening in the UK. It's only happening in the USA because of 'Lemon' laws (enabling class action lawsuits) and the NHTSA getting involved.
      If Ford UK was going to do something to address this long known issue, they'd have done it years ago.

  • @BeatingAngel001
    @BeatingAngel001 4 місяці тому +19

    I have a Ford Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost and believe this is the issue I am experiencing. Going to ring Ford to see what they say tomorrow, thank you for this video! Much needed knowledge

    • @kaylahawkins6975
      @kaylahawkins6975 3 місяці тому

      I have this same exact issue on my 2017 Ford Fiesta 1.0l Ecoboost..... I was actually on the interstate headed to the hospital to visit my papa in ICU when mine went out. Everything was goinh smoothly until all of a sudden my oil light was flashing and I couldn't push my break pedal! Thank God for the emergency brake!

    • @liamjames2956
      @liamjames2956 2 місяці тому

      What did they say?

    • @BeatingAngel001
      @BeatingAngel001 Місяць тому

      @@liamjames2956 Garage checked the oil in the oil sump and found pieces of belt which is expected but a little shine of what looks like metal sparkles as well. Because of the sparkles, it was advised to replace engine. I decided to sell the vehicle instead as the replacement of an engine was around 4-5k or I could sell to webuyanycar for 2k. Shame, Ford Fiestas are a lovely car to drive. Good luck to everyone

    • @Oofyy_
      @Oofyy_ Місяць тому

      @@kaylahawkins6975❤

  • @megapangolin1093
    @megapangolin1093 4 місяці тому +5

    Well done for getting this out there. Not heard this latest news although was aware of the problem. Great video, now subscribed.

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому +2

      You'd likely "not heard" about the latest news because it's nothing to do with anyone outside of the USA i.e. the recall is specific to the USA.

  • @paulbaddiley7326
    @paulbaddiley7326 4 місяці тому +556

    so it only took them 12 yrs to admit a fault!!!! Shocking behaviour

    • @G-ra-ha-m
      @G-ra-ha-m 4 місяці тому +28

      They could have used gears, last forever - but they got greedy for dealer belt changes - and now their whole brand is trash.

    • @bikeman123
      @bikeman123 4 місяці тому +21

      Gears? Too expensive. Chain or dry belts work fine.

    • @G-ra-ha-m
      @G-ra-ha-m 4 місяці тому +9

      @@bikeman123 Hve you seen some of the balance shaft gears?
      Always 'Too expensive' yet it's not too expensive for balance shafts. Gears are actually not that much, a little set to do balance shafts and reduction to the cam wouldn't be that hard.
      Last forever too - how much is that little gem worth? :)
      Then you deduct the cost of the belt, pulleys, tensioners etc too.

    • @paulnolan1352
      @paulnolan1352 4 місяці тому +22

      Too many people at the top of these companies gambling on risk for more profit and not concentrating on giving good service. Can’t believe they are happy to wreck their business for such a piss poor engineering mod as a rubber belt running in oil.

    • @Kx0195
      @Kx0195 4 місяці тому

      It's all a financial tactic. Drag it out as long as possible and you pay less because there are less of them still left around to repair or replace. Costs them less money but fucks over their customers. See if everywhere now because companies require eternal growth which is just not based in reality.

  • @ManSeeksCivic
    @ManSeeksCivic 4 місяці тому +187

    I'm a mechanic that has seen 3 of these failures in the last 6 months. The kicker is that not only is the belt an issue but changing it is a serious job that needs very special tools to be done correctly. Too little too late in my opinion.

    • @Jonodrew1286
      @Jonodrew1286 4 місяці тому +7

      I have heard its cheaper putting a new engine in as the belt kit as well as the torque multiplier and other tools make it uneconomical unless you specialise in doing the job. Also these engines have been know the catch fire as the high pressure fuel pump is close to the exhaust and when they crack and overheat its a potentially serious issue.

    • @philipscott1128
      @philipscott1128 4 місяці тому +5

      A new crated engine is around £1400 I think

    • @toska4803
      @toska4803 4 місяці тому +7

      Had my sisters 1.0 ecoboost belt rip its teeth off which caused the valves to hit the pistons. replaced everything and didn't need any special tools besides the locking kit. repair cost under 300 quid in parts & a day and half of time.

    • @user-ts3gf8lf6o
      @user-ts3gf8lf6o 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@@toska4803And you think that is normal ???

    • @toska4803
      @toska4803 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@user-ts3gf8lf6o think what is normal? The belt ripping its teeth off? No, it shouldnt happen. Its a shit engine. I'm just saying its not a massive job to fix.

  • @martinslattery2880
    @martinslattery2880 2 місяці тому +3

    Great to have someone highlight these issues

  • @Orcinus1967
    @Orcinus1967 4 місяці тому +2

    Thank you for saying it's the 1 liter EcoBoost, as there are many Ford "EcoBoost" engines of varying size and design.

  • @damiankimmins3880
    @damiankimmins3880 4 місяці тому +213

    I was told by Ford during a service on my Transit that I should change the timing belt immediately at 96k as the join was looking decidedly close to failing. I booked it in to be done last April and on the morning of the work being commenced I was phoned and told that Ford had quarantined all parts relating to timing belt changes and it could not be done. It was sat in the dealership for a 5 weeks whilst I hired vans until I had no choice but to fix it myself on the drive using none OE manufacturer parts. The help and or understanding I received from Ford was nil.

    • @jamesmedina2062
      @jamesmedina2062 4 місяці тому +8

      what is "the join"? And not understanding if they were first going to do it under warranty or on your coin? You should go and get some money from Ford.

    • @Zzrdemon6633
      @Zzrdemon6633 4 місяці тому +7

      You left it with them for 5 weeks? Dude are you we todd ed? Good dog you'll believe anything

    • @damiankimmins3880
      @damiankimmins3880 4 місяці тому

      @@jamesmedina2062 a timing belt would not come under warranty. The join in the belt.

    • @carnutme4437
      @carnutme4437 4 місяці тому +16

      Quarantined all parts ?? Did they have covid or some other transmissible disease ?

    • @aaabbbccc543
      @aaabbbccc543 4 місяці тому +6

      ford is terrible at fixing their problems.... buy a kia or honda

  • @markrl75
    @markrl75 4 місяці тому +77

    The recall should involve Ford removing the 1.0 EcoBoost engine and chucking it into the nearest skip. They should then fit a new convention engine that isn't going to self destruct.

  • @LazBOG593
    @LazBOG593 4 місяці тому +1

    I live in the USA and own a 2014 Fiesta. I have 110,000 miles and the engine has been great, but when the weather warms up I will be looking at a belt change. I use Mobile 1 every 5,000 miles so I hope that helps in giving me a little time before my engine explodes. Thank you for this video!

    • @gregoryleo4640
      @gregoryleo4640 4 місяці тому

      Most Fiestas sold in the USA do not have the 3 cylinder Ecoboost, but there are some out there. The ST trim was a 3 cylinder, and there was an unpopular 3 cylinder option intended for maximum fuel mileage.

  • @shaunehook6520
    @shaunehook6520 4 місяці тому +9

    Well thanks to coming across your channel Lee I chose a 1.6 diesel Titanium Focus. Your simple to understand explanations etc are soooo valuable mate! Mine is 93000 and new cam belt fitted by dealer, well happy pulls great over 50 to the gallon in general use ! Seeing this update video will make my choices much much more informed and safer. Thank you Lee 👌

    • @Shadowknightneo
      @Shadowknightneo 4 місяці тому +2

      I have a 1.5 titanium X. Going strong at 117k miles it's a good car, and good engine. May it carry you without issue for years to come!

  • @itstheterranaut
    @itstheterranaut 4 місяці тому +164

    I read the same article a few days ago, and it's interesting reading. The problem we'll have here in the UK is that we'll never to get the same full-on recall. Although the article doesn't mention this, the driver for the NHTSA action was a massive class action in the US under the Lemon Laws. There were actually 3 separate class actions, but a judge ruled that they should all be consolidated into one.
    This is one of the good things about the US that we dont have here; massive consumer pressure with lawyers getting involved.
    It's a scunner. One of my favourite car brands has caused me to avoid most of what they've sold over here for the past decade, and seek out the older 1.4 NA engines instead.
    100% agree on wet belts. Horrible, horrible. Direct injection needs some rethinking too.

    • @buyallmeans425
      @buyallmeans425 4 місяці тому +5

      Yep ... Love Ford cars and trucks and have a couple in the driveway. I haven't bought a Ford made past 2008 nor will I. To many fatal flaws in their newest engineering.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому +6

      Honda generators run thousands of hours wit a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

    • @Hjd10
      @Hjd10 4 місяці тому +4

      Same issue if you remember with VW’s diesel nightmare. VAG were made to resolve the customer issue with either the software fix, remove the car from sale and compensate and compensate for the inconvenience. Apparently VAG tried to say that they didn’t recognise class actions. The US government said to them, you do recognise them if you want to sell cars in the US. Meanwhile in Europe no immediate compensation and they would only apply the software update.

    • @CheapBastard1988
      @CheapBastard1988 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@Hjd10 VW has been terrible with their old TFSI engines as well. In the US, everything got rectified. In Europe, the owners were SOL. Seems like it's the same with all car brands.

    • @cpgravenor
      @cpgravenor 4 місяці тому +3

      I left the UK 24 years ago, and live in California, I will admit, the Lemon we have is the best, I have had a Toyota, a Ford, two Mazda's, and three Nisan cars bought back under it in that time.
      The way you get screwed in the UK, is why I left, and wont be back.

  • @topBrandzBAIT
    @topBrandzBAIT 4 місяці тому +5

    A customer of a shop I work in bought a 70 plate Transit Custom, 17,000 miles and the wet belt went. £9000 for a new engine, luckily still under guarantee. New engine fitted, he drives the van half a mile up the road and vehicle grinds to a halt. Result was a ceased up engine, can you believe it was dry, they forgot to put oil in it lol. Surprisingly the guy loves the van and says he would get another as its such a good drive.

    • @ramrider1453
      @ramrider1453 2 місяці тому

      Not a good drive if it breaks down all the time 😂. I would abort abort abort…

  • @jamesadamiak6214
    @jamesadamiak6214 4 місяці тому +8

    I have a 2016 focus with the 1.0 eco boost. I have 75,000 miles on it and haven’t had any issues with it. Now I’m worried about it. I will take it in for the recall. Thanks for sharing this information

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому +5

      With all due respect, you won't be taking your car in anywhere for the 'recall' if you're in the UK.
      The recall is being actioned by Ford USA, after being forced into it by the NHTSA. Nothing to do with Ford UK/Europe, pretty poor video by Lee TBH, to miss out this key information.

    • @adrianfoy6790
      @adrianfoy6790 3 місяці тому +1

      Get that done ASAP !!

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 3 місяці тому +1

      @@adrianfoy6790 I hope he's got a spare £1000+ kicking about then!

  • @user-bg2tk9gf6t
    @user-bg2tk9gf6t 4 місяці тому +15

    My name is Kevin Archer I am in the motor trade and have a vast knowledge and experienced in rebuilding engines over 50 years. I have been a Dealing for three international companies. I have purchased a one Litre Eco Boost Focus 2014 plate and very impressed with the performance. This vehicle has had thee cam belt failures and is currently waiting to be booked into our work shop. The failure is how you explained and spot on with your diagnosis the oil pump strainer plugged with cam belt debris and this caused a complete failure to the first engine. The second and know the third failure the oil warning is on when engine is idling. All these engines have supplied with genuine Ford parts. Ford must recall one litre Eco Boost product and pay out compensation should be awarded to any owner weather purchase this product when new or second hand of this known failure.

    • @davidlasanen7690
      @davidlasanen7690 4 місяці тому

      GOOD LUCK WITH THAT, YOUR DREAMING IF YOU ARE DUMB ENOUGHT TO THINK CHEAP FORD WILL PAY ANYTHING

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому

      Ford USA are only doing the America specific recall because they were forced to by the NHTSA (the American version of the UK's VOSA).
      This specific weakness with the 1st gen 1.0 EB has been known for years, if Ford UK/Europe was going to do anything to help people with this issue, they'd have done it by now!

    • @9595luke
      @9595luke 4 місяці тому

      ​@FatHead1979 If you thought engines stretching there timing chains wasn't bad enough some genius comes along and thinks a rubber belt submerged in oil was a good idea 😂
      Never trust car manufacturers always do your own research and pay for the extended warranty if possible is my advice

    • @rustypetesengines6687
      @rustypetesengines6687 3 місяці тому +1

      Gear driven cams the way to go

  • @brianjohnson5789
    @brianjohnson5789 4 місяці тому +23

    I had a cambelt snap on a vauxhall, valves hit the pistons, complete mess. It was recovered to main dealer. Only had about 20,000 miles on it. But vauxhall rebuilt the engine, no quibbles, no charge, customer service was very good.

    • @michaelbritain5546
      @michaelbritain5546 4 місяці тому +7

      Timing belt snapped on my cavalier at over 70mph, absolutely no damage, new belt fitted started first time never missed a beat.

    • @JohnHughes2002
      @JohnHughes2002 4 місяці тому +12

      Brian's must be an interference design and Michael's not.

  • @GR-kn7mt
    @GR-kn7mt 4 місяці тому +13

    The same issue occured with the PSA 1,2L Puretech 3 cylinder engines. The wet belt dissolved itself within a quite short range < 80000km (50k miles). The situation was even worse with those vehicles which were used for short distances ( the gasoline diluted the oil and started to dismantle the gum material of the belt and these gum pieces clogged the oil pinholes too )..PSA on newer models replaced this dead-end wet-belt drive to chain..

    • @rubenbraekman4515
      @rubenbraekman4515 4 місяці тому

      Do their newer 1.2L engines really have a chain instead of a belt? I thought all of them still had belts... unfortunately

    • @GR-kn7mt
      @GR-kn7mt 4 місяці тому

      After several lawsuits, which won against them, the PSA started to use chain in this engine from 2022 prod year..@@rubenbraekman4515

    • @0bzen22
      @0bzen22 3 місяці тому

      Nah they changed it to a chain. Not sure what versions have what, since I avoid PSA and Ford on principle. Now, Renault is on my death list.

    • @mcfcok3773
      @mcfcok3773 3 місяці тому

      I​@rubenbraekman4515 i have the new shape 208 1.2 75hp. Still uses a wet belt. I change the oil every 7-8 thousand miles. Hopefully it will help.

    • @meab12
      @meab12 Місяць тому

      ​@0bzen22 I didnt think renaults used wet belts

  • @alenav100
    @alenav100 4 місяці тому +61

    My wife got her ecobost in 2018 for $22k. 63,000 miles later, 6 months ago, the engine went out for this exact reason. We had to sell the car for $2000 because a replacement engine is roughly $5500 not due to their marvelous design, but because they're so hard to find due to demand... For all the wrong reasons.

    • @johnmaurer2035
      @johnmaurer2035 4 місяці тому +1

      WTAF.😢

    • @fabioferreira5458
      @fabioferreira5458 4 місяці тому +3

      That's the price of a brand new engine readly available in Germany with taxes

    • @davidlasanen7690
      @davidlasanen7690 4 місяці тому

      LET ME GUESS, YOUR NOT GOING TO BUY ANOTHER ONE MMMMM, OR ARE YOU REALLY THAT STUPID

    • @Hiram33
      @Hiram33 4 місяці тому +3

      Did you remember to change the oil

    • @brucesmith9144
      @brucesmith9144 4 місяці тому +3

      That’s terrible that an engine won’t last over 100k.

  • @davidhuddleston7735
    @davidhuddleston7735 4 місяці тому +31

    What winds me up is when Rover had hgf with their new K series engine they were slagged off by everyone. Yet when the Ford badge is on the car they get away with these issues for years!

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +5

      I can feel a eco v k series video coming ( I am very clued up on both units) 👍

    • @davidhuddleston7735
      @davidhuddleston7735 4 місяці тому +5

      Thanks, at least an upgraded HG saved the K series engine, unlike Eco Boom! Sorry mate you need a new engine.

    • @SteelyDavey
      @SteelyDavey 4 місяці тому +7

      Just got rid of my Rover 45 a month ago, it was the rust around the suspension that finally got it not the engine. A lot more comfortable than the Ford KA i've mistakenly got.

    • @leeallen1407
      @leeallen1407 4 місяці тому +5

      @@carukchannel K series is a cracking engine if service correctly

    • @philipjones9458
      @philipjones9458 4 місяці тому +1

      I had a Rover 600 with a Honda engine fantastic car.

  • @kenzohkw
    @kenzohkw 4 місяці тому +10

    Had a 2019 Fiesta hire car with the 140HP Ecoboom engine, drove fantastic and engine pulled really well. Bought a 2019 Tourneo Courier MPV with the Ecoboom engine then found out about it's reputation. Was doing near 30k a year so oil changed it every 9k miles but couldn't get the Ecoboom out of my head so sold after 18 months of ownership. Bought a Dacia Logan MCV DCi and can sleep easy now knowing the DCi is solid and cheap to run and no wet belt ticking time bomb.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому

      Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

  • @BeingHappyIsNo1
    @BeingHappyIsNo1 3 місяці тому

    I unfortunately have two in the UK. Wife drives 2018 Fiesta 1.0 and I drive a 2020 1.0. The drive is fantastic in both. I never heard of the belt issue until this video, so will have to “consider my options” as we own both outright. The 2020 has already had a heap of battery issues, all related to software so updates on both cars are turned off after multiple dealership visits, thankfully under warranty.

  • @robert1616
    @robert1616 2 місяці тому

    Well!!
    I have one of these engine’s in my fiesta 2015 which I believe is just outside the recall. The engine is brilliant! However, at 55000 miles, I’ve taken the decision to perhaps replace the cam belt at 60,000 miles.
    Thank you for the ‘head’s up’!

  • @happysporran
    @happysporran 4 місяці тому +53

    Credit to you for highlighting this problem Lee. When normal punters like me become aware, Ford's hand is forced.👍

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому

      Shame the recall is only for the USA and the video didn't mention this. The video has really just stirred up a load of people (in the UK/Europe) who are going to be gutted when they find out they're not getting all help from Ford!

  • @user-rl9dz1kz2r
    @user-rl9dz1kz2r 4 місяці тому +64

    If you didn't already know that this engine was junk, you haven't been paying attention. Well before any recall, this Ecoboost has a long list of complaints. My employer had several in inventory that were totally un-sellable, tried to give me one. I declined

    • @thomasluggiero3413
      @thomasluggiero3413 4 місяці тому +5

      Exactly, yet people still willingly buy their shit!

    • @jwmustang1
      @jwmustang1 4 місяці тому +8

      Because they don’t know about the problem. And it’s many brands. Blame the bean counters wanting to make more money

    • @G-ra-ha-m
      @G-ra-ha-m 4 місяці тому +3

      If you can get one for free, take it and put a decent engine in it!

    • @otm646
      @otm646 4 місяці тому +7

      It depends on the ownership. I have three of them with over 150k miles, not one issue. I'm getting ready to pull the pan now but that's only for inspection.
      Big part of the issue is that people were not using the oil specified by the dealer, which was then incompatible with the belt rubber.

    • @davidlasanen7690
      @davidlasanen7690 4 місяці тому

      MMMM YA SMART

  • @nig87101
    @nig87101 4 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for putting out this video, these engines have been an issue and it's about time Ford took some responsibility for them! Had a 2014 Zetec S Focus 1.0 Ecoboost since 2017, 1 owner, it had done 22,000 miles when purchased. In 2022, with 57,000 miles on the clock, and having serviced it religiously with Ford parts and Ford lubricants, the engine got noisy and rattly, as in piston slap/knackered bottom end rattly. Long story short, ranted at Ford, they asked me to take it to the nearest dealer, they changed the engine for me (much to my surprise) free of charge, I'm guessing on the scheme you mentioned. Thing is though, at that point, it was obvious it was a wet belt issue, but the dealer blamed it on overheating. That engine had never overheated, and the fluid levels never dropped. Still got it now, but am very weary about keeping it. Hopefully, the new Ford engine has the new parts you mentioned, so will last a little longer! My own garage (very trusted), said the manufacturers who supply the belts to Ford, only warranty them for three years! All the best.

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +1

      At the time the goodwill scheme was for vehicles failing due to overheating, sounds like the dealer has done you a favour and told Ford UK its a head gasket issue in order to get a new engine and fitting sorted.

  • @ebolarnator1794
    @ebolarnator1794 4 місяці тому +1

    One of my work friends had this exact problem with his Ford!

  • @skodakatie7341
    @skodakatie7341 4 місяці тому +24

    Thank you for your explanation of this problem Lee.
    I had heard stories about the so called ‘eco boom’ engines, but didn’t know anything about them, until now.
    I feel for the owners who placed their faith in what they perceived to be a cutting edge design innovation, only to end up paying out of their own pocket, for a manufacturers shortcoming.
    My friend has a 2016 Ford Focus, with this flawed ‘wet belt’ design, I hope his car doesn’t become another statistic in Fords hall of shame😢.

    • @gravemind6536
      @gravemind6536 4 місяці тому +6

      I too have a freind with a 2016 Ford Focus who just spent £1300 on having the welt belt replaced at just 80k miles they claim the engine sounds and runs better now they also spent an additional £700 on a service and new starter motor too. My 2016 Toyota Auris with 75k miles and a chain driven engine has so far cost me nothing besides standard servicing and tyres and brakes.

    • @TassieLorenzo
      @TassieLorenzo 4 місяці тому +1

      @@gravemind6536 I think the design life of the wet belt is 90k miles (150k km) according to Ford and it is meant to be replaced at that mileage in any case. I agree that it is a terrible design, and IMO it is unclear if strictly using the correct Ford specification oil will prevent belt deterioration. I believe it is possible to convert these engines to a timing chain using Ford parts from the later revised Ecoboost engines which switched from the wet belt to a chain. Edit -- My bad, Ford said 150k miles or 240k km for the belt change interval. Mechanics recommend it be changed at 60k-80k miles instead.

    • @curtisducati
      @curtisducati 4 місяці тому +4

      Ford are awful cars , I saw this problem years ago ! Ford need taking to court over blown engines on a new car

    • @mmllmmll22
      @mmllmmll22 4 місяці тому +3

      My advice to 1.0EcoBoost engines (wet belt). Take oilpan down every 2/3 oil changes and clean sump.

    • @Ghauster
      @Ghauster 4 місяці тому

      I have a friend with an ecoboost F150 that's been sitting in his driveway for over two years. Needs Cats and timing belts to start with. Costing more then it's worth yet he still owes.

  • @michaelmckeary1165
    @michaelmckeary1165 4 місяці тому +51

    Thanks Lee, I thought the mechanic was winding me up saying it was a wet belt. I'm a joiner and I know rubber moving around oil is a recipe for disaster as oil makes things slippery. Ford must have watched the Post Office Documentary and realised they can't argue against truth but 12 years is pushing it.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому +2

      Honda generators run thousands of hours wit a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

    • @michaelmckeary1165
      @michaelmckeary1165 4 місяці тому +2

      @@JohnSmith-yv6eq If you keep an engine constantly running its fine. The problem today is stop start tech and the cold weather we get. Minus 8 up here so the engine is starting from minus 8. We see the same with EV's and batteries. 90% of car batteries fail in the winter. Theory and practice are two totally different things. We only get the practice bit after 3 years.
      Generators and engines, and we all wish they could be the same thing. 😉😉

    • @nodak81
      @nodak81 4 місяці тому +1

      Being slippery isn't the problem, as it's not a friction belt. The problem is that the oil (or more precisely, fuel and other contaminants in the oil) eat away at the material and degrade it.

    • @michaelmckeary1165
      @michaelmckeary1165 4 місяці тому +1

      @@retiredbore378 Aye my mate a mechanic was saying timing belts don't fail but the assembly fails and belts break or come off. So, better to do the whole thing when fitting new belt. Thanks for reply.

    • @DailyStalkerUpdate
      @DailyStalkerUpdate 4 місяці тому +2

      @@JohnSmith-yv6eq From hondacivicforum:
      "The 1 litre 10G Civic rubber timing belt, not chain, runs in oil and is a known weak spot. The bill to replace the belt alone is about £1,350 ..."
      Generators aren't cars.

  • @GosWardHen98
    @GosWardHen98 4 місяці тому +1

    Bought a 1 owner Focus ecoboost last April & and the garage did a Cambelt change at 93k. So far, I'm happy enough & not had any issues, but will get this checked out on my MOT March. 😮 One thing I always insist on purchasing 2nd hand but admit, this is my 1st Ford in 10 years, switching from Vauxhall Astras!

  • @Maverickf22flyer
    @Maverickf22flyer День тому +1

    Hi! I truly welcome your video and this is what I have to say about my 1.0 125HP Focus 3 from 2015.
    I knew about the oil pickup clogging issue and when I've reached 100k kms (I live in Eastern Europe), I've personally took a 2 hours work (about 2 hours it took me) to drain the oil, get the catalytic converter out (it had 2 nasty bolts towards the pipe under the car which I simply had to break because they were rusty stuck and bought a set of bolts and nuts to mount it back later), get the oil pan down and look at the oil pickup. And sure enough, there were hairy like pieces of one of the belts. It wasn't much but indeed it was there and was slightly clogging the pickup screen. I've cleaned it all out, inspected the belts. Both belts still looked wonderful. Seriously! They still looked like new with no signs of teeth wear. The only thing to notice was that both belts had like small longitudinal cracks in them. But longitudinal random small cracks shouldn't be an issue though. Transversal cracks which I didn't see would've been a problem. And hey..., forgot to mention. I drive this car like a speed maniac and racer. I mean..., I literally wanted to make the engine die somehow and see where it's weakness is and eventually buy a new one from a used car, but nothing..., the engine is just remarkably resistant unlike what people want or like to think. The Ecoboosts are very reliable as engines unless the headgaskets let a lot of coolant in them or the oil pickup gets so badly clogged that the engine dies slowly day after day, but except for those dangers, the Ecoboost really is a resilient and very performant engine in terms of carbon emissions and fuel consumption like I haven't seen on any other car. It's truly a marble of engineering, but it has these sensitivities to care of. I rev this engine sometimes even above 7000rpm during very sharp engine braking in 2nd gear from more than 100km/h, just like I'd be racing it on a track and I've been torturing the timing with crazy revs accelerations and decelerations like for 4 years before getting the oil pan down for the inspections I've mentioned.
    One thing which I indeed did right, so maybe this is the reason why even though I torture this engine on my liking and still the belts looked good with little debris clogging the oil pickup is the fact that I've always been using only original (more expensive though) high quality full synthetic Ford-Castrol 5w20 oil. NOT playing with stupid things. When Ford said that for this particular engine you should use only high quality original FORD-CASTROL 5w20 oil and it can last 150k miles, they know what they were talking but didn't know how dummies would not listen to that and put whatever oil and the belt gets worn rapidly, the engine dies in warranty and the same dummies blamed Ford for it. That ain't fair tbh!
    Oh, and the intake valves clogging with oil. Hmm...! Very simple. I use AMSOIL POWERFOAM and pour it into the intake manifold as prescribed in short bursts with engine above 1500rpm and over the weeks after spraying that thing, the clogging of valves and piston goes away at a given rate, but surely it does get clean. I must be careful not to pour too much of that spray at once, cause once I've must destroyed my original catalytic converter and turned it red hot. Now I've learned how to spray that into the intake in steps, not all at once and buy a new cat.
    Best wishes! Ford..., it's built tough!

  • @raye402
    @raye402 4 місяці тому +5

    All your misgivings vindicated as Ford finally puts their hands up ! Quality Lee as always 💪👏

  • @jimcraig6523
    @jimcraig6523 4 місяці тому +87

    The main cause of failure in Belt In Oil Systems is belt swelling caused by the material being attacked by
    1) soot and other oil oxidation breakdown debris can get between the belt teeth and pulleys, weakening the belt.
    2) wear on the outer belt coating exposes the underlying materials directly to the oil, which may contain unburnt or partially combusted fuel from the likes of DPF regeneration that attacks exposed belt materials.
    3) teeth can become detached, creating a smooth section on the belt causing the pulley to slip and change the engine timing.
    4) side wall of the belt being exposed to oil and oil debris can cause delamination of the belt layers first seen as swelling and cracking that leads to binding and possible displacement of tensioners and debris blocking various engine components
    5) overheating exacerbating the problems. Belts have a designed operating temp and generally should not exceed 85 degree C for prolonged periods.
    6) the use of the wrong oil spec.
    The design of the teeth on the belt has changed from straight cut to curved to lessen the tendency to collect debris
    Newer timing belts are made from rubber or an elastomer such as nitrile, neoprene, or polyurethane, and they include reinforcing cords to control the belt tension. They also tend to have an oil resistant coating to improve durability, resulting in a longer lifespan than belts found in older vehicles.
    To reduce the impact of oil on the elastomers used in BIO systems and throughout the engine, elastomer testing is now a requirement in many vehicle manufacturers’ oil specifications.
    PSA have a 1,000 hour test,
    VW have a 500 hour test
    Ford have a 168 hour test, using the material used to manufacture wet belts.
    Automotive engine oils are also designed to meet these strict requirements in real world driving conditions.
    The updated servicing of Belt In Oil systems from DAYCO the original pioneer of the system using PSA 1.2 Pure tech engine as an example
    1) the timing belt must be checked at intervals of between 12,500 and 16,000 miles or every 12 months, whichever comes soonest.
    2) measure the width of the belt with special tool PSA part number 1643190080, as excessive belt swell can cause binding in the drive system.
    3) If any evidence of damage can be seen, or if its width exceeds that of the measuring tool, the belt must be replaced.
    4) any contamination of any description is evident in the engine oil, further exploration is necessary with the oil sump dropped and
    5) the oil pump and vacuum pump strainers checked for any debris, and if found replacement should be considered.
    6) the turbo oil feed banjo, oil pump solenoid valve and the variable valve timing solenoids also need to be checked and cleaned before refitting.
    7) a visual check for debris in the oil ways should be carried out by removing the camshaft solenoids.
    8) If contamination is found in any of these areas or components, irrespective of the visual condition of the timing belt, it must be replaced.
    It is highly unlikely that Ford's explanation for belt failure is correct given the above. The servicing costs can potentially be relatively high on these engines if done as per Dayco's recommendations. Would I buy one? Not on your NELLIE!!!

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому +4

      Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

    • @MattExzy
      @MattExzy 4 місяці тому +9

      I can almost guarantee very few people are going to have the mind to check their timing belt at such short intervals. Especially on 10+ year old engines. Scrap metal in the waiting.

    • @peterbiesbroek
      @peterbiesbroek 4 місяці тому +5

      Absolutely great & professional comment, thank you sir..! Living in Fr, (frenchies are nogood in ANY maintenance whatsoever), I drive this 2021 oil-bathed wet belt crap design from Citroen...with the daily fear to hear the thing snap...

    • @notpoliticallycorrect1303
      @notpoliticallycorrect1303 4 місяці тому +4

      ​​@@peterbiesbroekYou have ust as much chance of the belt particles blocking the oil pump pick up first,I've done three since the beginning of December.

    • @bertbox69
      @bertbox69 4 місяці тому +5

      ​@@JohnSmith-yv6eqa generators load isn't changing all the time and doesn't operate to the same kind of tolerances as an engine requires

  • @nickkostakis9600
    @nickkostakis9600 4 місяці тому

    Great show and very informative thank you very much for the update 😮from Sydney Australia

  • @ianshort9334
    @ianshort9334 4 місяці тому +1

    Great information, I have a 18 plate fiesta not had issues as yet but my heating system is totally random ie when in cold weather heater not warm in hot weather can't turn heater off and air con stops

  • @mr.v465
    @mr.v465 4 місяці тому +14

    With the new EcoBoost engine (starting for the Focus Mk4 2018) they already began to use the chain for the cams, the oil pump is still driven by a stretch belt.

    • @7Miralas
      @7Miralas 4 місяці тому +1

      Only the new mhev engines are using chain instead of wet belt

  • @marcusmaximus451
    @marcusmaximus451 4 місяці тому +6

    Excellent and interesting vlog Lee, I purchased a cat n 68 plate ecoboost from copart back in August with 15k miles now done nearly 18k miles, I did send an email to Ford warranty check or recall check and said no so I’m going to get back to them again and push them for a positive result, time will tell so let’s see how we go kind regards to you and pleased you are doing well, Mark from Billericay
    Btw I use Westway oil, good reviews and costs much less than branded oil as no fancy advertising 👍

    • @GB-dp5bs
      @GB-dp5bs 4 місяці тому

      I bought a 2018 transit custom. Booked it in to ford dealership for a service @72k they said as part of the service they would check the wet belt for delamination. I got a phone call saying there was signs of delamination and they would have to keep it in until they could find out if they could replace it free of charge. Couple of days past and got a call saying they couldn't do it under recall as it wasnt one of the problematic vehicles with faulty wet belts that were built in Ukraine. I said the belt should last 150k miles before it should need to be changed so why at 72k miles does it show signs of delamination. His reply was thered multiple factors involved and I would need to prove and provide invoices for regular oil changes services at the correct intervals to have any kind clout to have it carried out for free. I ended up having to pay for most of the value of parts and labour apart from a goodwill of 12% or so. I asked what parts were going to be replaced and the sump wasnt on the list. I said surely the sump needs replacing as they are siliconed on and need replacing after removal. To obviously clean the oil pickup strainer etc. I think if I hadn't of mentioned it they wouldnt have bothered a.d would have just changed the belts and pulleys.... Good luck

  • @NVRAMboi
    @NVRAMboi 3 місяці тому +1

    My dad had a 2018 Focus (from new). As you said, when operating properly it's a decent engine. But I began to read the specifics on the design of the engine and tried to imagine what it would look like after 50k+ miles. We unloaded it w/under 10k miles. I was confident it would eventually be a very large problem.

  • @thundertiger76
    @thundertiger76 4 місяці тому +4

    My partner has a Ford Fiesta and I recently learnt the potential problems we might face with this stupid wet belt idea, Ford should be held accountable and rectify these issues!

  • @stephenward8707
    @stephenward8707 4 місяці тому +6

    I can remember buying a 1994 ford fiesta si , and having a recall by ford as the zetec engine had sticking valves ! I think like anything nowadays they don't test "new" engines , just bang them out as quickly as they can ...it's a real shame 😢😢

  • @stevenredmond7455
    @stevenredmond7455 4 місяці тому +8

    Last year cost me £4000 for reconditioned engine. Packed up at 61,000 miles 2014 focus. Can’t sell it now & I’m praying this one stays together. As you said to drive & fuel consumption great. I wished I’d done a little more investigation but had to get a ULEZ car for work as my 2011 diesel wasn’t allowed in for free.

    • @davidlasanen7690
      @davidlasanen7690 4 місяці тому

      REMEMBER GOING CHEAP WILL BITE YA IN THE ASS EVERY TIME, HOPE YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON

    • @claudiushempstead9893
      @claudiushempstead9893 3 місяці тому

      Come on you irons!!😊

    • @richardpearson5439
      @richardpearson5439 2 місяці тому

      Feel for you mate. Sounds awful..I would cut your losses and get a 1.33 Toyota Auris..not as smooth but absolutely bulletproof and reliable

  • @Orcinus1967
    @Orcinus1967 4 місяці тому

    Liked and subscribed, from the US. Nice work.

  • @duranbailiff5337
    @duranbailiff5337 4 місяці тому +16

    Ford used to be a really great company, but they have fallen hard over the years. Both my older brother and my father were automotive engineers. I grew up around people who were passionate about their craft and wanted to produce quality products. While I miss them both, I am glad that they did not have to see how bad things are today. Admitting that there is a problem is the first step. Make America Great Again is more than just a slogan, and we want to see US companies- both large and small return to the greatness they once had. Ultra-Mega-MAGA

    • @Steve-gc5nt
      @Steve-gc5nt 4 місяці тому +8

      Donald Trump couldn't fix a dripping faucet.

    • @johnlopez3001
      @johnlopez3001 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Steve-gc5ntTDS😂

    • @petestanton1945
      @petestanton1945 2 місяці тому +1

      These are perceptions of the natural progression of Capitalism. Can't shift to reverse

  • @damianleah6744
    @damianleah6744 4 місяці тому +17

    Not had a ford in years ( no particular reason). But I found your explanation extremely interesting and easy to understand regarding these engines. It’s very peculiar they hadn’t foreseen this happening before it went into production. Oil and rubber just don’t get on together. Brilliant video btw 😎

    • @JohnHughes2002
      @JohnHughes2002 4 місяці тому +6

      Except in the bedroom, for some people, I understand. 😁

    • @statementleaver8095
      @statementleaver8095 4 місяці тому +6

      Am I too Latex to comment?
      I'd say from 2011 the Bond-age should be to just Whip it out and push another Squirter in 😂😂

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому +2

      Honda generators run thousands of hours with a wet belt engine...with no problems for 17k hours.

    • @gravemind6536
      @gravemind6536 4 місяці тому +4

      @@JohnSmith-yv6eq Comparing Honda with Ford is just an insult though, it would be like comparing Manchester City FC with the sunday league pub team. Honda make brilliant engine along with Toyota too. The most reliable Ford engine isn't even designed by Ford but Yamaha with that famous 1.25 unit you see in the Fiestas.

  • @weflipcarsUK
    @weflipcarsUK 4 місяці тому +62

    Eco boom! Very common unfortunately due to the wet belts. Great content 👍

    • @mattyb7736
      @mattyb7736 4 місяці тому +5

      Ecosploder is the correct term

    • @JD-29
      @JD-29 4 місяці тому

      prefer ecoboom matty boy@@mattyb7736

    • @stefan2796
      @stefan2796 4 місяці тому

      Eco bust...

  • @tonygriffiths2485
    @tonygriffiths2485 4 місяці тому

    What an excellent report. I have no doubt this will save lives.

  • @dazwoods7398
    @dazwoods7398 4 місяці тому +5

    I bought a new focus 1.0 Ecoboost in 2019. Engine failed on 13,000 miles. Repaired under warranty and can safely say it came back with the main timing component being changed back to a chain, albeit it the lower oil pump drive is still a wet belt. Been going strong since with dealer servicing at correct times. No issues or performance lost and its currently at 48k miles. Fingers crossed for many more miles. I quite like the car.

    • @AT-wl9yq
      @AT-wl9yq 4 місяці тому +3

      Someone gave you a line of crap. You can't just convert a timing belt to a chain. I'm a senior master Ford tech. Its the highest certification they have. I'm not saying its an impossible thing to do, its just that you can't get it done at a Ford dealer. You would have to get a bunch of custom parts made up and special service tools would have to be fabricated to set timing.
      If you don't believe me, check the internet or call a Ford parts department and try to buy a timing chain, all the new parts needed for the conversion and timing tools that will work with the new parts. You won't be able to find anything.

    • @mabsbry1318
      @mabsbry1318 4 місяці тому +1

      Ouch…

    • @Driver-UK
      @Driver-UK 4 місяці тому +1

      Think you need to go back and get it in writing exactly what you said here that the belt was changed to a chain …can’t be done !

  • @coyote7411
    @coyote7411 4 місяці тому +9

    Also, newer ones are coming out with a chain drive, but still a belt for the oil pump ( i believe the same applies to the transit 2 litre lumps). so you still have to strip the chain to change the oil pump belt

    • @itswais77
      @itswais77 18 днів тому

      😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Billythebubble
    @Billythebubble 4 місяці тому +8

    About time too! UK will react slower than US

  • @AdamLockett-uq7ns
    @AdamLockett-uq7ns 3 місяці тому +1

    Got one, 2012, Been absolutely superb!
    I personally think a lot of the failures are attributed to wrong oil grade or lack of correct servicing. I've done 'Regular' self oil changes with the correct grade oil and genuine Ford Oil filters and its hung on in there, but it is now due for belt replacement at 60k. Im hoping the regular oil changes has bought me some time as I cant decide whether to tackle it myself or to get it done somewhere reputable, but its a big pricey job. Great engine imo, but I do agree it could've been so much better with a chain drive or external belt..

  • @v88krb
    @v88krb 4 місяці тому +22

    I've had the same issue with the Peugeot PureTec 1.2 engine in a 2008, low oil pressure warning and I was covered on the manufacturer recall. But there were so many and I had to wait my turn in the queue. So my car was off the road for 10 weeks. Fortunately I am retired and we have a second car but it was hassle. Anyway, all sorted and the car is ok.

    • @philipscott1128
      @philipscott1128 4 місяці тому

      How many miles were on your car at the time?

    • @v88krb
      @v88krb 4 місяці тому

      @@philipscott1128 it was just about 50k.

    • @stevenbilclough2563
      @stevenbilclough2563 4 місяці тому

      Puretech belt has been revised around 4 times since 2008.
      However the service interval is not Fords pie in the sky one it's 56k or 6 years...and it's 1/3rd of the price of changing the belt on a Ford so no real excuse to leave it and let it happen.

  • @catxls1835
    @catxls1835 4 місяці тому +19

    Yeah, a well know problem with that little engine. It wouldn't cripple Ford to recall all the 1.0 Eco engines, but that's never going to happen. Great video!

    • @jameswilson6717
      @jameswilson6717 4 місяці тому +1

      I wouldn’t mind just paying for the parts if Ford would honour doing the job since it was there mistake in the first place

    • @catxls1835
      @catxls1835 4 місяці тому

      Agreed@@jameswilson6717

  • @michaelhope8016
    @michaelhope8016 4 місяці тому +4

    Ford have been lying about this for years. Blaming poor servicing. What about people who had these cars on hp or a bank loan? No car, but still paying for it ! I have my son's 14 plate focus on my drive with a gubbed engine. Scandalous they can just forget about the earlier cars with the same engines that they ignored! Poor show Ford, get the finger out ! Do the right thing.
    By the way, great video .

  • @markiebud247
    @markiebud247 4 місяці тому +3

    Got two focus hybrid eco boost 1.0 Ltrs and both now on 30 and 40 k, and both regularly serviced and never been a bother. Great economy and punch from a little unit and good regen breaking too for a small unit.

    • @philipscott1128
      @philipscott1128 4 місяці тому

      The later 1.0 ecoboost use a timing chain instead

    • @markiebud247
      @markiebud247 4 місяці тому

      @@philipscott1128 Ford told us they both have a wet belt 🤷‍♂️

    • @someone7507
      @someone7507 4 місяці тому

      The 1.0 125 and 155 hp mhev use timing chains. The oil pump is driven by a belt. Now some engines have a tensioner on this belt and some don't. Based on the US recall, the engines coupled with the automatic gearbox do have this tensioner. Here in Europe, my 1.0 125 hp mhev with manual gearbox does not use that tensioner. Also the oil pump belt code is different from the US belts. I don't kbow if this means there is no issue on the european engines, or Ford did not investigate these engines.

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому

      @@markiebud247 The easiest way to tell visually is if:
      1. The turbo and heatshield are at the FRONT of the engine, it's the original engine design that uses a wet timing belt
      2. The turbo and heatshield are at the REAR of the engine, it's the newer engine design that uses a timing chain

    • @markiebud247
      @markiebud247 4 місяці тому

      @@FatHead1979 good to know, thank you 👍🏻

  • @joshwilliams0391
    @joshwilliams0391 4 місяці тому +12

    Both my mother and parter have had them. They’ve never had any problems with them but I personally don’t like them. I find them hard to drive smoothly in traffic compared to the old 1.25 I’ve got. You also have to drive them incredibly carefully to see anything like the economy they’re supposed to give.

    • @mikldude9376
      @mikldude9376 4 місяці тому +2

      It might be time to trade them in while they are still running .

    • @CheapBastard1988
      @CheapBastard1988 4 місяці тому +2

      ​@@mikldude9376Or just cut the sevice interval for oil and the belt in half.

    • @otm646
      @otm646 4 місяці тому

      Here in the States I have three of them, in the Fiesta I am able to get 43 or 45 mpg pretty much everywhere. Going 55 mph you're getting well over 50 mpg

  • @johnchincotta1qwdb15
    @johnchincotta1qwdb15 4 місяці тому +3

    Hi Lee it's john from Gibraltar,I have never owned one of this engines before but i have heard and read horror stories about these echo boost engines with major issues as the ones you mention in your video.The new pure tech 3 cylinder engines,manufactured by PSA and used on various Peugeot citroen and opel models,also suffer from wet belt issues.I totally agree with you that they should revert to the use of conventional timing belts or chains,inorder to avoid these catastrophic failures.

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +1

      Hi john, i think they will revert back slowly to conventional timing belts and chains, in fact ford have changed 22 onwards ecoboost engine from a belt back to a timing chain.

    • @johnchincotta1qwdb15
      @johnchincotta1qwdb15 4 місяці тому +2

      Timing chains been more durable.

    • @JohnSmith-yv6eq
      @JohnSmith-yv6eq 4 місяці тому

      Duplex timing chains are even more durabler...
      @@johnchincotta1qwdb15

  • @maxflight777
    @maxflight777 4 місяці тому +1

    You described it well. best wishes sir.

  • @user-rm7om9rm9z
    @user-rm7om9rm9z 4 місяці тому

    i like these kind of content you do about reliabilty issues on cars my 1st car was a x reg 82 ford capri 2.0s which was the car i passed in it was reliable i love ford brand cars it puzzles me lee about this topic of yours in the video content why did ford damage there great reputaion by these poor wet belt 1.0 litre ecoboost engines there crap and i bet you dont touch them lee has they are very problematic.i still like ford cars the newer ones 70 plate foucus st line 1.0t ecoboost without the wet belts but still prefer my 8p old audi a3 sportback there not unreliable like them poor ford cars with 1.0 eco boost wet belts pal.your very knoledgable in all cars all this video is really great info about these wet belt issues pal

  • @priteshchampaneri5101
    @priteshchampaneri5101 4 місяці тому +15

    Hope Vauxhall/Peugeot/Citroen follow suit with the 1.2 Wetbelt engines!

    • @vukiam
      @vukiam 4 місяці тому

      At least psa 1.2 is very easy to change the belt

  • @danielsteyn7464
    @danielsteyn7464 4 місяці тому +3

    The same idea has been applied / used on other Ford engines.
    The 1.5 lt N/A engine has this belt design.😢
    I'm sure it can be changed to a timing chain setup. Add some sprockets on either end, change the tensioner design, add a chain.

  • @CJColvin
    @CJColvin 4 місяці тому

    All the reasons you've said is the reason why I chose the 5.0L Coyote V8 over the EcoBoost V6 in the F150 anyday.

  • @pipnmaz
    @pipnmaz 4 місяці тому

    I bought a new (used) car 2 weeks ago and was dangerously close to buying a 2020 / 2021 Ford Focus 1.0 ecoboost, coming from a 2015 Mondeo. Luckily for me I decided at the last minute that the rumoured nightmare wet belt system would not be a sound investment I went elsewhere and bought another manufacturer entirely. So glad I did now I hear that Ford have officially acknowledged there is a problem with the system!

  • @NB_NB_NB
    @NB_NB_NB 4 місяці тому +4

    I have a Picanto with a 1 litre 3 cylinder turbo, and comes with a timing chain. A few pals have come from Fords to Kia because of the ecoboom thing.

  • @karter5351
    @karter5351 4 місяці тому +17

    It's not only Ford, I've just had a Vauxhall Grandadland with the 1.2 3 Cyl Poogot Engine in it, wet belt shat itself and blocked the oil,strainer, throwing up oil pressure failure warnings at 60k. It was afellt car so the AA carted it off into the winter night darkness. Fleet company wanted to change the oil and filter and were happy for me to pile on about 800 miles in a week before they could get it serviced. I told them to do one as I wasn't prepared to be standing on the hard shoulder when it started rattling like a selection in a bucuit tin

    • @alundavies5171
      @alundavies5171 4 місяці тому +2

      ive that engine in my corsa didnt realise was a wet belt!!

    • @chubbychubs4636
      @chubbychubs4636 4 місяці тому +1

      Grandad land, what is that?

    • @waynemiller4602
      @waynemiller4602 4 місяці тому +4

      most peugeots and small engine vauxhall have wet belts..and they faill too

    • @richlee509
      @richlee509 4 місяці тому +2

      It's a joke on the name as most of these cars are driven by old people

    • @CheapBastard1988
      @CheapBastard1988 4 місяці тому

      ​@richlee509 On the Grandland I presume.

  • @paulclark5531
    @paulclark5531 3 місяці тому

    Ive recently bought a focus 1.0 Ecoboost 67,000 miles on the clock full service history i was going to book it in at my garage for a belt change djould i hang fite if there going to recall them....very informative video....

  • @barryherron5351
    @barryherron5351 4 місяці тому

    Honda Civic 1.0 3 cylinder 2017 - 2021.
    Just had mine recalled / product update, wet belt changed and counter measures to illiminate future failure.
    Plus software update to stop a pre ignition misfire.
    I have to admit the car runs much smoother so happy with Honda for that recall.

  • @danielharr01clips
    @danielharr01clips 4 місяці тому +4

    My dad has the 1 litre Eco boost C-Max from 2012 and he's not had any problems with it barely apart from a hole in the exhaust and an engine management light that reads as cataylic converter deficiency but that's nothing to do with the wet belt and the fact is its at nearly 100,000 miles. The cambelt is due soon as was recommended to be replaced last year but thats normal.

  • @simonlawrence5313
    @simonlawrence5313 4 місяці тому +4

    Great video. I shall stick with my MK 4 Mondeo PSA engine

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому

      The 2.0/2.2 TDCi PSA units in the MK4/MK4.5 Mondeos really are superb, good performance, decent efficiency and very well engineered i.e. durable.

  • @glensmall2393
    @glensmall2393 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for a fantastic video but I am now scared of driving my 2018/2019 Ford Fiesta which had done only 40,000 miles. I looked under the bonnet and noticed it only used 3 plugs and was researching this and came across your video which I found exceptionally helpful. How do I know if my ford fiesta is fitted with the correct belt or the upgraded belt because I bought my car when it had done 18,000 miles. Thanks for your kind reply and I live in Manchester, UK

  • @adrianoakes152
    @adrianoakes152 Місяць тому +1

    Ive had three Toyota Yaris models. One 1.0vvti, then 1.3vvti then current 1.5vvti. All cracking little engines particularly the 1.5. Chain cam, reliable and bullet proof.

  • @Paul-67
    @Paul-67 4 місяці тому +8

    That’s a great update Lee. Well done.

  • @crwcarssalesvideos2039
    @crwcarssalesvideos2039 4 місяці тому +91

    Be far better if they just built a few million new 1.2, 1.4 and 1.6 Zetec units and swapped them over.

    • @matthewgodwin3050
      @matthewgodwin3050 4 місяці тому +8

      Absolutely agree with you on that. The old Zetec, and the even older Valencia engines were great little motors. Had a few of each in my time, and neither gave me any trouble. Wouldn't touch an Ecoboom with the proverbial barge pole.

    • @Timmy_Westside
      @Timmy_Westside 4 місяці тому +6

      Even the old CVH would have been massivly better option than this cluster f##k of a idea

    • @mrjim1973
      @mrjim1973 4 місяці тому +1

      Amen, The Zetec free wheeling, MPI motor is one of the BEST ever!

    • @JTV84
      @JTV84 4 місяці тому +2

      ford have never made really good engines but i agree those were better than this catastrophe.

    • @crwcarssalesvideos2039
      @crwcarssalesvideos2039 4 місяці тому +2

      @@JTV84 Zetec were better than most engines of the time. The only ones better during the late 90’s and early 2000’s were the Japanese, in my opinion.

  • @loopysassistant8442
    @loopysassistant8442 4 місяці тому +2

    Would love to know the benefits of the wet belt system, there must have been a reason they went down that route in the first place, ironically the eco boost engine won best engine award for 3 years running.

  • @ironmike650
    @ironmike650 4 місяці тому

    exactly the same problem the citron engines have used in the Peugeot and Vauxhall but they admitted the problem a couple of years ago

  • @broken12367
    @broken12367 4 місяці тому +10

    I drove one when they first come out. On the test drive it was awful, it was gutless so I went for a diesel instead.

  • @paulegner7653
    @paulegner7653 4 місяці тому +64

    What about the eco blue Transit engines that have the same
    crappy wet belt and all the tradesmen who have had massive repair bills refused by ford ?

    • @richardburns5925
      @richardburns5925 4 місяці тому +22

      A far cry from the 2.5 DI banana manifold engine, I had a smiley front transit for 8 years, it never missed a beat.
      Seems like another lifetime now with the rubbish available now 👍

    • @nillysbonsai9636
      @nillysbonsai9636 4 місяці тому +3

      Agreed! I still have a mk5 2.5di bullet proof. Iv had 4 rot kills them not engine failure for sure! Tanks

    • @Dawscar
      @Dawscar 4 місяці тому +5

      Spot on the whole wet belt idea is a mine field especially in the ecoboom motor

    • @Dawscar
      @Dawscar 4 місяці тому +7

      @@richardburns5925 even a snapped cam belt only bent the pushrods you could straighten them in the vice to get you home

    • @paulnolan1352
      @paulnolan1352 4 місяці тому +6

      It’s no different for the Transit, these belts are a ticking time bomb, especially if you stretch your oil service out. Belt particles are getting into the oil ways and sump strainer taking thousands of miles off the Engine until it seizes up. No thanks.

  • @steverees1936
    @steverees1936 4 місяці тому

    I'm just glad I have a 15 year old Focus with the 1.8 tdci engine. It's got 178000 miles on the clock and still pulls well. My previous Focus had the same engine with 300000 miles on the clock when I traded it in for this one. I'm afraid of buying any new car now as so many from all manufacturers have big issues. 😕

  • @jimmyclark9595
    @jimmyclark9595 3 місяці тому

    My bother bought a 2018 F150 ,it has the 5.0 engine and it has used oil from day 1 and he also now has problems with the transmission.I have a 2014 chevy half ton with the 327 engine.My truck has never used any oil and I pull a 30 ft. Camper since I bought it.I have 147,000 miles on it and it has never been in the shop except for a tune up at 100,000 miles.

  • @tonymc2803
    @tonymc2803 4 місяці тому +31

    Lost about 4 grand on one of these ecobooms! 2015 37k what a joke!! Good job in getting this info out there for the people that dont already know! Keep up the good work mate, love the auction vids too

    • @JohnWilliams-tg8de
      @JohnWilliams-tg8de 4 місяці тому

      My daughter had the same on a Fiesta. 33k and the engine was destroyed. Ford said it’ll be 6 weeks to even look at it, and it is probably something she’d done. Went to an independent garage and they refused to put the same engine year back, and put a later version in. They said they’d had these engines in, having been destroyed, so many times.

  • @608dave1
    @608dave1 4 місяці тому +6

    Read details of this online a few days ago. Interestingly my lad works Ford Main dealer, service, UK, so I let him read it. He's checked & had calls from customers who have also read this......& confirms they've had no update from Ford UK at this moment

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  4 місяці тому +2

      yes its disappointing and I would hate to see them try and avoid this Ford UK, the issue is with all 1.0 eco boost engines world wide on them years.

  • @rasmAn2
    @rasmAn2 4 місяці тому +2

    I've heard similar horror stories about the wet belt PSA engines as well, recently saw one just in time which only had 40Mm on the clock. Meanwhile I changed the dry belt on my 1.6 HDI at 185Mm which looked like new. I am an automotive engineer, and I can't work out what the supposed benefit of these wet belt systems is. Even the hilariously cheap 1KR-FE Toyota/Daihatsu engines have timing chains, which last absolutely forever. To be fair that engine was stroked so far it suffered of pistons that slapped so hard they sound worse than a diesel when cold, but they keep going.

  • @grahamjones3906
    @grahamjones3906 4 місяці тому

    same as the transit ,i'm on my second engine replaced by ford foc luckily.

  • @motsigman
    @motsigman 4 місяці тому +3

    I would suggest checking the header tanks as well they just disintegrate.

  • @RideBikes_Walkplaces
    @RideBikes_Walkplaces 4 місяці тому +3

    We've done 4 or 5 of these at work and we're just a small garage in a little town up north.

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  4 місяці тому

      We got them in the workshop in our last business all the time with oil blockage issues. Ford are trying to pinpoint issues rather than accept the fact the wetbelt is a poor design

  • @ebodjarvo
    @ebodjarvo 4 місяці тому +1

    have a 2016 Citroen C1 with the 1.2 puretech engine. I believe the same issues are occurring on that engine too. 2yrs ago at approx 28k miles I had its wet belts changed as a precaution. Its got ~33k miles now and running fine, but for sure I will be very cautious buying a used car with a wet-belt engine. The wife wants a Ford Puma and I'm very hesitant to agree

    • @Rjsworlduk
      @Rjsworlduk 4 місяці тому

      how pug has the same touch wood be fine been in for the recall on the belt

  • @peterfrost696
    @peterfrost696 4 місяці тому

    Thank you -good analysis-sadly they probably asked the same question as other manufacturers.Will it last the warranty!

  • @Tony-tourette
    @Tony-tourette 4 місяці тому +4

    My mate used to be on the cells at dunton
    They knew about the problems then but still went ahead
    Also the transit engine on the dynos were cracking casings around the big ends they also knew about that
    Il stick with my 2010 lynx engined c max 😊

    • @FatHead1979
      @FatHead1979 4 місяці тому +1

      Indeed. My 2005 early MK2 Focus 1.8 TDCi is still on it's original turbo, injectors and high pressure fuel pump at 192K miles.

  • @FlyingFun.
    @FlyingFun. 4 місяці тому +14

    Here in the UK I had terrible experience with my eco boost and ford, they refused to even sort out the coolant pipe problem and I had to fix it myself, after a quick look at the forums I realized I had the problem potentially of the overheating and gasket etc etc so I traded it in before any other issues arise ..
    Biggest issue was fords total denial of any response ability on their part

    • @user-vj9hy8dw9e
      @user-vj9hy8dw9e 4 місяці тому +1

      I only buy Honda for this reason. I live in Canada and we get hosed on prices...But I will still overpay if necessary to buy a quality Honda. Just bought a 24 HRV to go with my 16 Civic Touring ( had a 2017 Civic totaled in a T bone ) Paid way too much, But I have a vehicle that will last ten years minimum if I take care of it.

    • @Shaggy-8392
      @Shaggy-8392 4 місяці тому

      I had this issue as well in my 2010 ford galaxy petrol. Sold it once I spent a grand fixing it

    • @nuttycommuter3718
      @nuttycommuter3718 4 місяці тому

      @@user-vj9hy8dw9e10yrs? My Saab was 15 yrs old when I bought it and I expect it to last me at least the same amount of time again.

  • @danielduke5059
    @danielduke5059 4 місяці тому

    Like the old Vectras, i had a 2.2 with cam chain from what i read before i bought it they where prone to chain rattle and tensioner failure due to the oil lubricator getting clogged and apparently my one was a newer version with bigger jets or ports, i took this info when looking at 4 cars in ine day and i told the people i want to hear it start cold and 2 of them rattled like mad, the one i bought sounded sweet, i had it 18 months and did an oil and filter change using decent parts not cheap ( apparently the jets or ports get blocked from using cheap filters wich break down and clog the oil ways to the cam chain ) around 18 months in it started to sound like a tank and something had 100 percent gone on the cam chain car had done less than 100k miles so was gutted, back then it would have cost over £500 for all the belts and cam chain and tensioners if i done it myself and it looked a lot of work or well over a grand to get it done so ended up scrapping the car wasn't worth the hassle or miney to fix and ive avoided cam chains since

  • @napalmarsch
    @napalmarsch 4 місяці тому +2

    I did buy my ford fiesta ja8 with the 1.25 I never regret it

  • @worldhello1234
    @worldhello1234 4 місяці тому +8

    @0:29 That is an expensive system, mate. If you do timing belt swap by the book, it sets you back 2000 quid. In case the previous owner was stingy or the one before, the engine has the potential to "grenade" on you.

    • @barryshitpeas5837
      @barryshitpeas5837 4 місяці тому

      Bullshit!! It’s £900-£1k at an independent.

  • @safdarrizvi9885
    @safdarrizvi9885 4 місяці тому +18

    Going back a few years i hired a Focus estate from Thrifty to drive down to Goodwood FOS.When i was told it was a 1 litre engine i immediately thought this is a bad idea.Theres absolutely no engine braking from these tiny 3 cylinder engines compared to a 2 litre lump.Good informative video Lee.❤

  • @gerryannesley4753
    @gerryannesley4753 3 місяці тому

    Thanks for this article, if only Ford were as useful as yourself. You've covered Ford Focus 2016 - 2018 and Ecosport 2017 - 2022 .....what about the Fiesta? Ours is a UK car first reg April 2016. Thanks in anticipation. Gerry.

    • @carukchannel
      @carukchannel  3 місяці тому

      Sadly Ford UK are not recalling currently, but keep an eye out in the press as the pressure is building on them

  • @bryanwalker5678
    @bryanwalker5678 4 місяці тому

    Quoted £1740 last for the timing belt Inc wet belt and water pump changing last year on my sons 2012 1.0 Fiesta. Really hope we get this recall in the Uk.

  • @markr3140
    @markr3140 4 місяці тому +52

    Wonder if Ford will accept liability for Transits too??🤔

    • @Mal_Outdoors
      @Mal_Outdoors 4 місяці тому +3

      I've watched videos from the USA and their larger engines (2.5l) also have a wetbelt with regular failures.

    • @noelcahill6707
      @noelcahill6707 4 місяці тому +3

      The ranger diesels have been failing to yet the price of this rubbish keeps going up pure joke

    • @nickhill9445
      @nickhill9445 4 місяці тому +2

      Ford have a recall for the wet belt 2L transit engines. They will replace the belt and other parts. My brother has two 2017 Transit custom and they will be going in for a recall shortly.
      Give the main dealer a call and tell them your reg number. They'll let you know if there is a free fix.

    • @Rayfaedundee
      @Rayfaedundee 4 місяці тому

      Ford sent out a service announcement that they are replacing and renewing all Ford Transit Diesel chain driven engines under warranty as long as the engine unit has less than 130,000 miles on the engine.

    • @nickhill9445
      @nickhill9445 4 місяці тому

      ​@@Rayfaedundee AFAIK it is the wet belt type and they are replacing the belts, not the engines