Is Salvation Dependent upon Your Obedience? | How Pietism Affects Assurance
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- Опубліковано 25 жов 2023
- Do you struggle with constant introspection as a believer? Do you look to your obedience as the ground of your salvation? Do you wonder if there's enough fruit in your life to confidently say you are saved? Do you wonder if you're a fake Christian, or a false convert? Dear Christian, Jesus has given you his perfect obedience. Look to and rest in Christ, the author and finisher of your faith!
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For 18 years, I've been driven by fear, and this relentless fear has had a profound impact on my self-esteem. It led me to constantly question and doubt my salvation, making me wonder if my efforts were enough to please the Lord. When I'd unintentionally fall asleep while reading the Bible or neglect to pray upon waking up, I'd be consumed by guilt. Watching passionate sermons by Paul Washer would sometimes intensify these feelings, as I compared myself to other Christians who seemed to have it all figured out. This constant comparison left me feeling inadequate on my Christian journey and fueled my self-doubt, making me fear that I wasn't producing enough fruit and that if I was not producing enough fruit, then I must be destined for hell and one day Jesus would say to me, "I never knew you, depart from me you worker of inequity". Watching a few of your videos on this topic has helped a lot. It's amazing how identifying the problem and giving it a name (pietism)can make one feel so liberated. It's like the scales are falling off my eyes and I can now see. So thank you and may God bless you guys and your ministry.
Jesus did all the work my dude, He told us to rest. :) it is finished. What Paul washer and people like him preach is called "lordship salvation" it is a false gospel message. We look to Jesus and what He did, His life, His works, His perfection to see if we're saved or not, not our own works. God bless. Look up "Onorato Diamante" it will bless you.
That is the product of a false works/lordship gospel which is a false gospel . Every single "hell visit" video on UA-cam promotes this rubbish and satan has infiltrated the churches with it
If you live long enough, those who give the appearance that they have it all together are usually the very ones that you cannot trust! " Confess your faults one to another that you may be healed." Be real with people! Those who appear to have it all together are NOT real! God showed me this years ago. Don't trust them! The truth is not in them!
Welcome to the rest that is in Christ brother. Jesus has done it all, Thank you Jesus.
Sounds like you grew up with religion like me, bad boys go to hell and good boys heaven. I never had a great home life either. I was the poorest, dumbest and always newest kid in school as we moved around 2-3 times a year. The way people treated me sent a message to me that I was defective and God made a mistake, so many issues out of this fear shaped my life horribly. The bottom line was inferiority and it makes perfectionism among many other horrible issues. I am glad you found truth.
I needed this so much today. There are so many preachers I have come across who will say "Saved by grace not by works" but then turn around and warn we may all be false converts and end up in hell. I cannot tell you how much I have struggled with feeling assured in my salvation and where I stand with God. Thank you for this reminder.
Not alone sister
I would run away from any church that denies the free offer of the gospel, whereby God freely forgives sinners on account of Christ, not of your works, your transformation, your repentance, your faith or anything that is in you but solely for Christ’s sake God forgives sinners. And solely by believing it and looking to Christ can we get assurance, no man can get the slightest confidence by looking at his personal life that he is a Christian, the moment he does that he actually has fallen from grace.
@@henrkabeautifully said
Literally my story!
Yknow, I was thinking of the story in Numbers 21... when the people got bitten by snakes, and God told Moses to lift a brass snake, and anyone who looked to that brass snake would be healed.
Jesus ties into that in John 3. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:14-15
I imagine during that old testament story, there were some who taught lordship looking, and attacked Moses for "easy lookism"?
Imagine there were some who didn't feel healed, and had those intrusive thoughts and had to keep looking all day, go home and keep looking out the window at the snake, cuz if they stop looking, it shows they never looked at all?
People working hard to ensure they look right? Hoping they didn't blink or they were spiritually minded enough when they looked?
Just look! All that overthinking is pointless!
I also think of the thief on the cross... after Jesus gave him that promise, he was still hanging there for hours. Imagine what could have gone through his mind. Joy at first, but then looking at his circumstances... "did he really mean that"? "Can he really guarantee that for me"? "But look at all the bad things I did that got me here!"
Come on now. You know it
@@henrka You cannot fall from Grace, you're either saved, or you are not.
Yes, your obedience is necessary for salvation. You must obey Christ to be saved.
Yes, that obedience being to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
O thank you. Struggling with doubt and a lack of assurance is terrible. Oh my goodness it is terrible but I’m so thankful to God to have found a label for the reason behind my doubts and lack of assurance. We are failures! but Christ Jesus is not. I thank God for you and this video. Liberation might be the word that I feel. I look forward to the day when free from sin and in the presence of our Lord. I believe pietism has had a larger influence in my life than I first may have thought. I appreciate your ministry here and pray that God would bless your churches. All for His glory.
Mike from Vermont, 23 years old.
On the other hand, there are professing Christians who seem unfazed by any notion of repentance and obedience and whose lifestyle looks no different at all from the that of unbelievers who have no fear of God. And these folks hear a message like the one in this video and say, “see, it’s all of grace. I don’t have to worry about measuring up. It’s all covered by Jesus.” Those are the people I’m most concerned about.
Exactly! Those people are common in the _Free Grace_ camp since they twist scripture to evade any repentance.
Boy I've watched this video a bunch because I felt like I wasn't doing enough to please God, I was wondering if I had truly been born again, then I got into the who "Can you be truly saved and walk away from it?" like some of the Arminians would say.
This video really brings it back to how simple it is, and that we shouldn't look to what we do or look to our faithfulness and obedience, but we should fix our gaze on the Son.
Christ’s Death Perfects the Sanctified
11 "And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." - Hebrews 10:11-14 NKJV
Amen brothers! Thank you so much for your continual explanation. I thank God for using you to open my eyes on pietism and leading me into Christ away from my own works. Soli Deo Gloria!
From my childhood I have been taught in pietistic thinking. My prayer is that God guides me through his spirit into the truth that sets free.
God give you more grace and peace!
Gentlemen.. this is fire. Seriously, excellent breakdown and compare/contrast. Blessings from a Lutheran brother. 👍🏻
I can’t thank you guys enough for this message. I know this but for some reason I fall back into legalism so often! Jesus did it all and all to Him I owe.
Thank You 🙏 Lord Jesus ❤🩸
That's why I love you guys!
Your extremely helpful!
Thanks!
If only every believer could understand this…
Your videos have helped me so much. Christ has finished it all and what He’s done is enough. Thank you for always bringing the focus back to Jesus. God bless you both
That is the key thing, Christ has completed our salvation, we merely receive his accomplished work by faith. This is as simple as it gets, yet I hardly ever hear it in Reformed theology, whether R C Sproul or John MacArthur, none of them will ever tell you that your salvation hinges on Christ’s death and resurrection (he died for your sins and rose for your justification), and not on anything that is worthy in you or your personal transformation, good works, or even your faith, full stop.
@@henrkaLigonier are extremely strong on being explicit on salvation by grace your comment is way off. It’s so disrespectful and offensive when people comment like this.
@@robmarshall956 No they don’t. Let’s just be honest. They give that teaching lip service, but then every sermon they produce is about weeding out the false converts by their behavior/works. The entire message regarding fruit is totally misunderstood by the church today. Jesus is not referring to the fruits of the Spirit! He is referring to the tree of life and IT’S fruit of life, verse the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and IT’S fruit unto death. Jesus was telling us to know false teachers by the fruit they are handing you! What tree is it from! Is it rooted in Christ, the tree of life. Or is it rooted in the law, the tree of knowledge of good and evil that only produces dead hypocrites.
@@robmarshall956 Really ? Look at R C Sproul videos on assurance. R C’s method to find our assurance is as follows. How do you know I am saved ? Because I am regenerate. How do you know I am regenerate ? Because I love God just a little bit. So my little love for God assures me of my salvation according to R C. Well if that is how you know you are saved you will be sorely disappointment at judgement day, God expects perfect love, not a little bit of love. We know we are saved because of Christ’s objective and infinite love for us in sending his Son to die on the cross, not our infinitesimal love for God as R C argues. Ligonier Ministries does not preach the unconditional love of God for sinners, but a conditional love where I must be regenerated to know that God loves me and I must look at my regeneration for assurance. I am sorry, R C does not get it, Christ came to save sinners of whom I am chief, and my salvation hinges solely on Christ’s unconditional love for me a sinner and not on my regeneration. Of course we must be born again, but we are born again when we believe that for the sake of Christ (not my regeneration) God freely forgives me as a sinner (;not a regenerate person). I do not look at my regeneration or transformation one iota to know that I am saved as R C suggests, but solely at tson of God who was for my transgressions. Ligonier Ministry is another false Ministry that directs sinners to look inside themselves to know they are saved, they direct sinners to the wrong place for assurance instead of sending them to the cross and Christ crucified where our salvation is. Because Calvinists teach a false limited atonement most Calvinists are incapable of preaching God’s grace to all sinners freely for the sake of Christ. C F W Walther nails it beautifully in his book Law and Gospel, and states beyond any doubt that the Reformed for the most part do not preach the gospel, they preach a conditional salvation where people must look at their works or their regeneration or their faith instead of Christ for assurance. The practical syllogism after all is a reformed doctrine, that directs Christian’s to look away from Christ for their salvation, and I am not aware of any reformed theologian that has repudiated the practical syllogism.
@@medic4christ777hey doc, we see each other again.
I disagree, I think Ligonier ministries does a wonderful job at making sure people know they are saved by Grace through faith. It seems to me that the problem you have is that, unlike Free Grace teachers, Ligonier teachers don't focus all of their weekly sermons on the topic of assurance, so you might have an impression that they "don't talk about it at all".
R.C. Sproul has been one of the most influential sources in my spiritual growth since he was very intentional in separating Grace and law *without* bifurcating faith and discipleship (like FGT does).
I do agree with you on John McArthur, but he is NOT Reformed, he is a dispensationalist (ironically like FGT teachers)
So eye opening! I was part of the Hebrew Roots movement and it is all about this!
Absolutely phenomenal video. Amen. Let us look to Jesus, the Author and Finisher of our faith!
Amen! The gospel is so marvelous
Thank yoouuuuuu!!
Jesus said if we dont bear fruit by abiding in him we will be cut off from him and are like a withered branch lying on the ground to be thrown in the fire.
So the theif on the cross by Jesus is cut off for not bearing fruit???
Wait... I thought he would be with him in paradise for 'changing his mind' about Christ, which is true repentance of the heart and belief in The Son Of God dying there.
@@jameswilson9361we can argue the thief did produce fruit when he defended Jesus from the other thief, and also when he understood the gravity of his sin. That fruit was not the cause of his salvation, but was rather a small glimpse of a freshly regenerated heart.
I needed to hear this today. You guys are such a blessing!
False converts have not been born again. They've simply added Christianity to the other social activities and hobbies.
Unregenerates who demand no repentance from sin is required merely reveal they themselves have not been transformed by the power of Gods EFFECTUAL grace in regeneration into an utterly new creature in Christ Jesus.
If you aint been changed by Gods love in saving your wikced soul from the hell it deserves, then you don't know Gods love, because His love produces fruit in His sons and daughters, by His work in us.
Then you better start repenting of your Un-Christ-like like behavior all over the internet. Lest you be found a false convert yourself. Hypocrite.
@@medic4christ777 Yeah, he is a self righteous baffoon! The Believer still sins and we sin daily. I John 1:8 says (present tense), if we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. Paul, who called himself carnal, clearly explains the struggle between the flesh and spirit in Romans 7:14-25 . Basically this guy is into Lordship Salvation (which is works) and progressive sanctification, which is more heresy. Our flesh doesn't get better, it gets worse.
That is correct, the issue is whether you can rely on the fruit in your personal life for salvation and the answer is no. Nobody denies there is fruit, what we are saying is that it does not save you from the wrath of God, it is the consequence of having been saved but not the cause. So if we want to know whether we have been saved or not we must look at Christ and we can only know our salvation by faith in the Saviour, not by the fruit in our lives.
@henrka Only fruit you need is fruit of the Spirit.
@@ManassehJones That is correct, and every Christian has the Holy Spirit that can do nothing but produce fruit in his life. That said because we still have the old man, that albeit crucified at baptism, we are still commanded to put to death daily it is impossible to tell by looking inside ourselves that we are Christians, every time we do that we will see ourselves as the man in Romans 7 and cry with the tax collector “God have mercy on me a sinner”, we can solely have assurance of our salvation because of God’s mercy towards us poor miserable sinners.
The saints need the gospel all the time
Why the music? I can not concentrate
I love this video format, it's epic!
This was a great video!
Amen! 🙏🏻 Thanks guys.
Bless you brothers. Keep up the good work.
Nicely put, thank you gents
Love you guys.. Thank you
Love it guys. Bkessings from scotland.
Excellent, thank you.
Good word. It’s Christ always and only‼️‼️‼️
Amen
It’s very simple. You must endure to the end in order to be saved(Matt.24:13). No one is saved “eternally” before they are dead. Now sometimes the scriptures use the word “saved” in the present tense but that is with respect to justification and as we learned from Romans 4, justification is never a static thing.
In Romans 4 where Paul talks about David he says that David was a man who was justified by his faith without doing works. When we go and look at the life of David, what we find is that David was a man of God LONG BEFORE he had committed the sin of adultery(with Bathsheba) and murder(Uriah the Hittite).
So if David is saying that he repented of his sin, and thereby was justified at that point in time, that means that he had been justified PRIOR to that and lost his justification. Now, because he's repented of his sins (murder and adultery), he has regained his justification. So that’s what’s being talked about in Romans 4. Therefore your lack of obedience is NOT a referendum on whether or not you were justified previously. It just means, on account of your grace sins, you’re unjustified *now*.
Interesting topic. I've watched this video several times now. Chewing on the material.
Question:
How do we distinguish your teaching from Easy Believism or "Cheap Grace?"
You should watch their episode, “Why we’re not antinomian.” It would be clear to why they are not teaching “cheap grace.”
Thank you so much for this video ❤ I didn't know much about Pietism and that I was operating in it. I would over self-examine because I had fear that I wasn't elected.
I agree definitely. And more reformed pastors should preach this way. Sola fide.
But the sad reality is most calvinists preach a works based lordship salvation to look to yourself to finish the race by your works and devotion. Paul washer, John McArthur, steve lawson, John piper all teach works will save you till the end. I see a contradiction in calvinists teaching and faith alone in Christ alone. Maybe someone can help me understand.
Joh McArthur is NOT Reformed and he is not classical Calvinist. He is a dispensationalist that borrows *some elements* of Calvinism.
Sadly sola fide is false as we learn in James 2:24. The Bible clearly says justification is not by faith alone for a reason..the Holy Spirit inspired James to shoot that bad idea down.
@@dman7668 no, what James was saying is that if you have true faith, then it will be evident by your works. The works themselves are not the cause of your salvation nor do they maintain it per se.
@@johndavolta3124 No James never writes that. He says a man is justified by his works and not by faith alone.
When James says a man is justified by his works, that does not mean he is NOT justified by his works. Think about what you are saying please.
James: You see how a man is justified by his works
You: No James is just saying faith produces works. Not that those works justify.
Jesus said in John 14:15
If you love Me, you will keep and obey My commandments.
We do when born again, but we do not do any works to be saved.
Loving Him isn't how you get saved. If love was automatic, why are we instructed to grow in the love of God? Our love grows as we experience HIS love for us. Even if we never come to a great love for God, it doesn't diminish His love for us, nor His promise of salvation by believing in His grace towards us. Your two cents worth of love doesn't even come close to being enough to earn salvation, and it can't help you KEEP it either! Jesus said to love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength. That means perfectly every second of every minute of every day. NOBODY has ever done that except Jesus! And, He fulfilled even THAT on your behalf!
1 John 5:13
That’s the big debate now. Either sin all you want and then wave the ‘I believe’ card around. Or ‘I believe but I struggle with sin and I’m trying to obey the Lord and not sin’. Which one of these two sound like a true believer?
Why call ye me Lord, Lord, and do not those things which I say? Lk 6v46ff.
Yep Love God perfectly and love your neighbor perfectly. Are you doing these perfectly?
@@adamguy33 Are you? Are you also making excuses for people who refuse to repent from known sins? Your quarrel isn't with me, brother.
@@dusttalking6871
The dictionary definition of self-righteousness is “confidence in one’s own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.” Biblically speaking, self-righteousness, which is related to legalism, is the idea that we can somehow generate within ourselves a righteousness that will be acceptable to God (Romans 3:10). Although any serious Christian would recognize the error of this thought, because of our sin nature, it is a constant temptation to all of us to believe we are, or can be, righteous in and of ourselves. In the New Testament, Jesus and the apostle Paul came down particularly hard on those who attempted to live in self-righteousness.
Jesus’ condemnation of self-righteousness was especially harsh in His treatment of the Jewish leadership of the time. Six times in Matthew 23, Jesus condemns the scribes and Pharisees for rigidly adhering to their legalistic traditions in order to make themselves look better to others. The parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector was specifically told by Jesus to “some who trusted in themselves, that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt” (Luke 18:9-14). The Pharisee assumed his acceptance with God based on his own actions, whereas the tax collector recognized that there was nothing in himself that would cause God to approve of him. Over and over again in the Gospels, Jesus clashes with the Pharisees and scribes about true righteousness. At the same time, He spends a great deal of time and energy warning His disciples about the dangers of self-righteousness, making it clear that, without Him, they could do nothing (John 15:5).
Paul’s treatment of self-righteousness is no less scathing than Jesus’ was. He began his great argument in Romans for the grace of God by condemning the Jews’ self-righteous trust in circumcision (Romans 2:17-24). He follows that up in chapter 10, saying that the Jews tried to gain acceptance with God based on their own righteousness, demonstrating ignorance of the true righteousness of God (Romans 10:3). His conclusion is that Christ is the end of the law for righteousness, not man (verse 4).
Paul’s letter to the Galatian church also addressed this issue. These believers were being told that they had to do certain things to be acceptable to God, specifically, to be circumcised. Paul goes so far as to say that this is another gospel and calls those who advocate it “accursed” (Galatians 1:8-9). More tellingly, he tells his readers that, if righteousness could come from their own actions, then Jesus died “for no purpose” (Galatians 2:21), and that righteousness could come “by the law” (Galatians 3:21). Paul’s conclusion about the Galatian believers was that they had been foolish in their attempt to be perfected by the flesh (Galatians 3:1-3).
It would be an understatement to say that every believer is plagued by this attitude. It is in our sin nature to try to do something to merit our salvation. The costly freedom of grace, bought for us by the blood of Jesus with no contribution from us, is difficult for our prideful hearts to understand or appreciate. It is far easier to compare ourselves with one another than it is to recognize that we cannot measure up to the standards of a holy God. However, in Christ we can know true righteousness. In Christ, we can know the forgiveness of sin that comes to us through grace. Because He stood in our place, we benefit from both His sinless life and His sin-bearing death (2 Corinthians 5:21). Because of His sacrifice, we can face our sin and bring it to the cross, rather than try somehow to be good enough for God. Only in the cross can we see the grace that covers all our sin and defeat the constant tendency toward self-righteousness in our hearts
@@dusttalking6871 When we accept Jesus as our Savior, God forgives all our sins: past, present, and future. Forgiveness comes as a total package; God does not forgive us partially but wholly.
The believer in Christ can say, “My future sins are forgiven” for these reasons:
• When Jesus died, all of today’s sins were yet future. Jesus did not die only for the sins of people who lived before Him. He died for the sins of the whole world (1 John 2:2), including the sins of those who lived after Him.
• If our future sins are not forgiven, then two things must happen: 1) when we sin in the future, we revert to an unforgiven state, meaning we lose our salvation and must be saved again, and 2) Christ must die again to cover the sins we’ve committed since His last death. Neither of these scenarios is biblical. We are kept by God, and thus our salvation is secure (John 10:28-30); and Christ died “once for all” (Hebrews 10:10; cf. Hebrews 7:25).
• From the cross, Jesus said, “It is finished!” (John 19:30). No other sacrifice would ever be needed. Sin-all sin-had been atoned.
• God’s purpose, which cannot be thwarted, is that His children be made perfect: “Those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified” (Romans 8:29-30). Note that all of God’s actions are in the past tense, as if they had already happened.
• “We have been justified through faith” (Romans 5:1). When God justifies us, He declares us to be righteous. We still sin, but God’s declaration stands. The fact of our justification argues for the fact that our future sins are forgiven.
• “There is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). Nothing, not even our future sins, will condemn us. The verdict of “forgiven in Christ” has already been handed down from the divine bench.
• “Neither the present nor the future, . . . nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Romans 8:38-39). The future cannot separate us from God’s love, even if there is sin in our future.
Of course, the fact that our future sins are forgiven in Christ should not make us flippant toward sin. No one can say, “My future sins are forgiven,” and then proceed to live a life of sin. Such an attitude is decidedly un-Christian: “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (Romans 6:1-2; see also 1 John 3:9).
The Bible teaches that, after salvation, we continue to sin (1 John 1:8; 2:1). We won’t reach sinless perfection this side of glory. The power of sin is broken, but, because we are still flawed humans living in a fallen world, we still at times give in to temptation. Our future sins, although ultimately forgiven in Christ, should still be confessed to God (1 John 1:9). Unconfessed sin, a sign of a disobedient, stubborn heart, will bring the Father’s discipline on His children (Hebrews 12:4-11).
When we sin, we don’t fear losing our salvation. At the same time, we understand that our sin does damage to our fellowship with the Heavenly Father and to our relationships with other people. We confess to God our future sins as we commit them for these reasons:
• We seek to walk in the light, as He is in the light (1 John 1:7).
• We strive for peace in the Body of Christ (James 4:1).
• We do not want to grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30).
• We want the joy of our salvation restored (Psalm 51:12).
• We desire to “live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way” (Colossians 1:10).
• Our testimony matters. We are called to good works that glorify the Father. Our light should shine, not be hidden under a bowl (Matthew 5:14-16).
• We must “put to death . . . whatever belongs to [our] earthly nature” (Colossians 3:5). Confessing our sin to God is part of putting the old nature to death.
We are saved by grace through faith, and the moment we trust in Christ, we are made right with God. Our sins, including our future sins, were ultimately forgiven (Colossians 2:13), and our salvation is permanent
The thing about you tube religious shows don't do is define their religious words that they love to use. Why? Cause it makes them appear that they are so much better than the rest of us. You go to church on Sunday get preached to and the rest of the week left on your own. What if you went to school one day a week and were told about trigonometry and then nothing the rest of the week. Would you ever learn it? No.
Ok, but how are you saved. Are we Calvinistically chosen to be irresistibly coerced into turning to Christ? Or can any, all, everyone call upon the Lord for salvation?
You only need to keep hearing the gospel after you're saved if you want to remain a spiritual babe. If you want to grow in Christ you need the meat of the Word. We need to share and declare the gospel, but we don't need to keep hearing it for our own benefit.
You are misunderstanding Paul’s words in Hebrews. Paul was addressing a group of Jewish converts who kept wanting to go back to Judaism. And he was frustrated that he had to keep bringing them back to the simple truths of the gospel, rather than being able to teach them more about God’s mysteries. This doesn’t mean that Christians don’t need to hear the gospel daily. Because the enemy is constantly at work trying to dismantle it from our hearts and minds. Be careful being so confident in your own maturity. You might just have a big fall. Flat on your face.
@@medic4christ777thanks for saving me the time to write this response. Jesus is the meat of the word.
Could not disagree more. Out of curiosity.. where are you getting this theology?? I’m curious. My takeaway is how cold and hopeless of a view of the gospel.. I may be misunderstanding?
@@medic4christ777That’s a great point!
Salvation is dependant on God only but you can see if it is truly there by the actions of the person who claims to have it.
People who claim to be saved by grace and do no works are wrong headed.
A tree bears fruit. Not to prove it is a true, not to make it a true but because that's what real trees do.
Even trees have seasons where no fruit is produced.
@@graftme3168 Such a tree is not fit.
@@Phill0old if you say so.
@@graftme3168 What did Jesus do to the tree that had no fruit? What did Jesus say to do with vines that did not bear much fruit? So it isn't just me saying so is it?
@@Phill0old Narcissistic much?
I don't know if I fully understand what was said and may need another listen, but I have thoughts:
Why do all these things that people think will secure them when it has already been said (mostly in the apostle John's writings) that what was written was done so that we may believe, that by believe we would have everlasting life, and that we may have surety that we shall be saved; in other words, why not say, "Faith is enough."?
Is it really taking the focus off Yeshua if you know you should be doing better because of how critical you are of yourself? If you have seen "the Chosen", best way I can describe it is how Mary of Magdola views herself in season 2 and 3.
The Chosen is a Mormon funded project that has a lot of heretical things in it. I wouldn't try to glean from anything in it . I was duped 1st season, 2nd season stopped watching. Also Dallas believes the LDS Jesus is same as biblical Jesus.
How about if someone I'm taking with me to a solid confessional church is seeking "insights" from a divinator. Is that something they should be warned about?😳
I don’t know what a divinator is. But if they’re seeking special insight available only to a few, that could be an issue. Your question is a little bit vague.
@@larrytruelove8659
A fortune teller/"energy" reader.
@@davmatheophilus159
I see. I’m more familiar with the term diviner, a slightly similar term.
I would say follow the Matthew 18 teaching on confronting a sinning brother.
Christ, his God, and his kingdom are all within
After the rapture of the FEW and the lukewarm left behind, they will show true nature as The Restrainer is taken out and the pestilence comes down. They will give up many!! It's not hard to have a relationship with Father and Brother and all have had many chances. All that are lukewarm know it!
@@medic4christ777 It's so many! Many don't know THEM and it breaks my heart. THEY are so kind. Want to share this. I went to see my brother. My red car was covered in yellow pollen. That night it rained. I went outside in the morning and my car was spotless shiny clean. I went back inside and was laying on the carpet and erupted in laughter because Father washed my car again. HE does it all of the time. THEY are so kind and I wish more knew them. A beautiful offer was made, paid in pain to cover our sins and so many are missing it over temporary pleasures and pride!
Also this, I was sitting on my friends covered porch smoking cigars on a hot Texas day. Right by me a storm blew in. Thunder crashed as rain fell. I cheered it on then it all stopped and I said aloud "Thank you FATHER" and HE responded "I thought you'd like that". HE knew I'd like it but said "I thought". So humble. So many are missing out!
You're deceived by Dispensational Futurist nonsense.
No one is "left behind" on the earth after the Rapture (same event as the 2nd Advent; not a temporally separate one from it).
I hear a lot about preaching and teaching but in reality I see a lot of preaching not much teaching.
Yes, it is. But when you stop thinking of "salvation" as a state you are in, but rather as an ongoing process as the grace of God literally practically helps you transform into a reflection of His light, you no longer need to worry about this.
The notion of a "moment of salvation" is the stressful part here, not the notion of obedience. I'm so glad I am not a Protestant anymore, because I no longer have to worry about whether I "have salvation" or not. I can simply trust and strive to obey the Lord with His grace and the sacraments helping me do so. It is so much more satisfying. Not fearful, like my time in pietism was, nor bland and unsatisfying, as my time in Confessional Reformed theology was. Instead it is reassuring and comforting, but also challenging, like a good workout.
So salvation is dependent upon obedience? But what if I dont obey perfectly? Am i still saved? Can you clarify? I need help with this because I fear that I dont trust God enough for my obedience, to obey perfect
@@matilda95. Fear not brother, we have a God who is eager to forgive us if we ask for forgiveness and confess our sins.
Salvation is not something that happens to you in a single moment, so stop worrying about whether you "have salvation." Salvation is something that happens to you throughout your whole life as God sanctifies you.
God gave us sacraments that help us with our sanctification and make it easy. We are not meant to just put in a lot of really hard effort and make ourselves perfect that way.
The problem is that the Protestant church has lost all these sacraments or no longer understands their use. The Orthodox church, which is the original church of the Apostles, still has these sacraments. One such sacrament is confession, wherein we confess our sins to another person as James said to do. I can tell you from my personal experience that confession makes me feel so much better and helps me to resist temptation. It is a simple and practical help.
While confessional reformed people are well intentioned, they are ultimately approaching Christianity from a less-informed position and largely do not have full perspective on the things they teach about.
Stop worrying about whether you have this status known as "salvation." This concept was invented by the Protestant Reformers. Instead, just live obediently to God, and when you fail, ask forgiveness, and try to be better next time. It is quite simple.
I also cannot overstate how useful it is to have a spiritual father to guide you. As an Orthodox Christian, my spiritual father is like my doctor, who during confession can give me practical and ancient advice on how to fight the sins we all struggle with. No Protestant pastor can give you advice like this, that has been passed down for 2000 years.
The Protestant churches want you to just know on an intellectual level that you are saved, but the problem, as you are experiencing, is that our own thoughts are not always enough to allay our fears and anxieties. God knows and knew this, so He in His great wisdom did leave us with practical and visible means to SHOW us that what He said is true.
For example, look at John 20:23. God gave the Apostles the authority to forgive sins and to retain sins. Why? Because this is a great gift to us. God knew we needed to be told by someone else that our sins were forgiven. Our own imagination and intellect is not enough. (For more on this, I heavily recommend the video by Patristic Nectar Films "Ascension and the New Power of Priests to Forgive Sins.")
I was in your shoes not long ago brother, fearing that I might not be saved or that I might not be elect. The theocast response was to tell me "Dont worry! You are saved!" But that did not help, it is an empty guarantee. Only through Holy Orthodoxy was I able to achieve true peace.
Thank you!
You’re describing a Protestant lol. Your comment is so confusing.
Can this terminology of pietism be interchangeable with Calvinism? This issue described here is what I’m struggling with at this point in time-maybe because I’m seeing the negative side of the so much in memes. Calvinist radio preachers, blogs posts UA-cam videos, etc.
Oh, my Salvation is DEFINITELY depended upon obedience...just not MY obedience.
_Solus Christus_
Agree 💯 and it is funny that people think reformed theology embodies the doctrines of grace when most puritans looked at their own works to conclude if they had genuine faith, and their rules were so harsh that hardly anybody had assurance of salvation under puritan teaching. Geneva saw some of the most repressive measures by any government under John Calvin, the puritans pretty much criminalized the breaking of the Sabbath and chastised anybody that did not attend church, anybody that opposed religion or denied the divine origin of he Bible was jailed. Then you have Oliver Cromwell, who was described by Winston Churchill as a despot and dictator. Calvinism has a track record of legalism since its inception, yet the exponents of Calvinism claim ownership to the doctrines of grace, go figure.
Too many texts warn against this type of thinking and teaching. Tit 1v16; I Tim 6v3; Jude 4; I Jn 3v7, 10; 2 Pet 1v5-7 and many more, too many to list. Do the saved still stumble and fall sometimes? Yes, but Prov 24v16 that man gets up, and repents. I Jn 1v8-9.
Hyper grace is not biblical grace or biblical sanctification.
@@dusttalking6871 You are confusing sanctification with justification. The Reformers chief argument with the Roman Catholic Church was that our salvation was instantaneous, we are saved (justified) the moment we believe that for the sake of Christ God freely forgives our sins. Rome argued that salvation demanded good works, I.e. our sanctification contributed to our salvation. Although good works follow and sanctification is necessary, it is not necessary for salvation nor can it gives us assurance of salvation because our sanctification adds zero to our salvation and as such cannot be relied upon to conclude we are saved,. You obviously have taken the Roman Catholic side against the reformers. As Luther put it the righteousness that saves us is a passive righteousness that does not work but trusts in God who justifies the ungodly (Romans 4:5), the active righteousness (good works) follows but does not save. For Luther faith alone apart from works saves, for Rome faith working through love saves but not faith alone, that was the whole dispute during the Reformation and you have clearly taken the side of the pope by arguing that good works alongside faith are necessary for salvation, and faith alone does not save. Romans 3:28 (we are justified by faith apart from works). The NLT puts it beautifully in Romans 3:21 “But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.” It is faith alone without works that justifies, because it rests on the perfect work of Christ which is the only work that can save a man, Christ’s perfect obedience, all the works of the Saints are like filthy rugs and cannot justify before God (Isaiah 64:6).
it does embody the doctrines of Grace since Doctrines of Grace is just another name for the 5 points of Calvinism though apart from Scripture, Augustine was one of the earlier people who wrote about them.
@@mercinc2926 You can call it all you want doctrines of grace but if grace(the remission of sin and justification) are not freely conferred on sinners solely on account of Christ not requiring anything in return from them but solely receiving the free gift by faith, they are not doctrines of grace. As I said I have seen calvinism plagued by legalism, and looking at good works as evidence of salvation, to the point that grace is not grace any more. Grace is outside of us, it is God’s attitude towards us in which he looks on us with favour on account of Christ fulfilling all righteousness. Grace is not found within us, in our hearts or good works, but outside of us at Calvary and now in the risen Christ that gave himself for us and intercedes for us. Christ lives in us through faith, we are hid in Christ, that is grace.
I hate to break it to you, this emphasis on personal growth and looking at our works for assurance that our faith is real arose from reformed theology (the puritans) or at the very least took root in the United States primarily from the writings of the puritans. The classic book “Mortification of Sin” by John Owen is one of the most pietistic books I have ever read, we are directed to pile guilt on any sinful habit we have instead of being directed towards the absolution (the gospel). Our sanctification depends on the remission of sins every bit as much as our justification, we are under grace and not under the law (Romans 6), We must die to the law before we can be married to .Christ (Romans 7), we are under no condemnation (Romans 8). Owen does not get it, and yet he is the hero of most people in the reformed camp today.
All of the hero’s today seem to teach the same thing. Name your person. Paul Washer. Ray Comfort. John Piper. John MacArthur. They all teach works salvation under the covers. Very few people truly teach the free gift of salvation. And what’s ironic is, here Justin is saying our salvation isn’t dependent on our obedience, but I have heard him multiple times say that unrepentant sin is a danger to our soul. That sure sounds like he believes salvation can be lost for disobedience. It’s very hard to find people who don’t contradict themselves, and double speak. It’s very hard to find a good church.
How can the gospel have an impact when preachers preach you must turn from sin to be saved? And then those preachers say, oh by the way, put your faith in Jesus. People know they cannot be perfect; Jesus is the ONLY one who fulfilled the law. In fact, scripture tells us we still sin (1 John). Should we turn from sin? YES, but this is not what saves us. We turn from sin to serve, to obey, to love our Saviour.
The gospel is GOOD NEWS, but works for salvation is being preached across the globe.
@@goodshorts Amen
@@medic4christ777you should listen to him more because that is not at all what he preaches or teaches.
@@justinkanawyer I am just telling you I have heard him say it TWICE now. He said it in the video at the conference he just went to, and he said it in one of his earlier videos. I asked him to clarify and I got no response. He has said it twice now.
Once saved always saved is false though because if I believe in the cross but sin as much as I want with no obedience i won't get to heaven.
So your saying salvation is based on your performance? Have you turned from all your sins? Are all your 30,000 to 60,000 thoughts per day perfect all the time. If not then you have sinned before God
@@adamguy33OSAS (Free Grace flavor of eternal security) misses the mark when they fail to understand that genuine faith will produce works. Free Grace reduces fruit and obedience to being optional.
Look. It is not a matter of being perfect or having the right "60,000" thoughts, but rather where your heart is. If your heart is centered in God, you will then bear good fruit. If your heart is not center in God but rather on the world, you will not bear fruit. Simple as that.
@@johndavolta3124 salvation - being freely justified by His Grace- Romans 3:24 and sanctification are two different things. John 3:16-18 makes it clear that believing in JESUS is what saves, not your fruit, not your performance , otherwise you would have something to boast about. It's a free gift and when you receive it you have passed from death to life present tense. John 5:24, 6:40 acts 2:21,16:31, Romans1:16, 5:4, 6:23, 10:9 , 11:6, 1st corinthians 1:16,15:1-4. And more. Your not given ETERNAL EVERLASTING life with an "read the small print" next to it saying but only if you produce good fruit and good works. Either JESUS did it all or He did nothing at all . this good fruit , good works unto salvation is so subjective talked about by people who look to their own rightousness to see if they merit heaven or not and despise others who dont have as much fruit as them luke 18 speaks of these people. Ephesians 2:10 for we are his workmanship created unto good works that we "should" walk in them. Not must walk in them so to earn salvation verse 2:8-9 makes this clear. ETERNAL security is true otherwise JESUS is a liar, and he's not so the liar is you
You cannot earn salvation by moral perfection, therefore you cannot lose it by moral imperfection. Look to Christ, rest in Him alone and live to His glory. Don’t trust in your own performance, that’s a sure way to hell.
A person that is caught up in looking at their own performance for salvation has probably not had a born again experience where the Holy Spirit changed their life. I think too often people are told if you have believed in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins or if you will simply place your trust in Jesus Christ then you were saved and their is nothing else that you need to do and if they weren’t reborn by the power of the Holy Spirit they are often dissolution about why they are not feeling God in their life or still struggling with sin or they find themselves sinning and not really caring that much about it. This is because many professing christians have not really been converted and the difference between the true Christian and the non converted Christian is they both believe they are saved but the non converted christian has not received the Holy Spirit and the converted christian has. That’s because salvation is completely a work of God and many people are teaching that you can save yourself if you will just believe right now and this is not the case. Yes we are saved by grace through faith apart from works but believing in Jesus cannot be just that you won’t go to hell for your sins. Believing in Jesus is to know Him. Jesus said you will know the truth and the truth will set you free and many so called teachers of today are not teaching the gospel correctly. They are leaving out the fear of the Lord and sin and only talking about how much God loves them. Sin is the thing that has separated us from God and sin is the thing that unless we are set free by Jesus will send us to hell.
We are saved from the POWER of sin. We are saved from the WAGES of sin.
If Christ didn't pay for ALL of them, He didn't pay for any of them. It's an "all or nothing" covenant. But, YOU choose! If you insist that you must put in your two cents worth toward the payment that Christ made for you, you are insulting the grace of God. Christ's sacrifice is of no effect to you whatsoever. All or nothing!
I think I good passage and example of performance is in Matthew 7:21-22. These people performed well, but Jesus said He never knew them. Apparently if Jesus never knew them and He called workers of iniquity, they were not born again. The true gospel has been perverted by satan and we need to teach and defend it and get it out there for the lost and those who are false teachers to hopefully repent.
Always condemning never teaching
You guys tell me how can you have a relationship with God and a relationship with sin
Disappointed. I watched this video thinking it would be talking about what the bible has to say about the role of obedience in salvation.
I can talk about it with you. One must obey God to be saved. Nice talk.😅
The obedience required is to repent and believe the gospel.
@@KnightFelwell said!
Define faith, and what the Bible means... to have faith. Even the demons believe and tremble. Faith implies, trust, love AND obedience. Just look to someone having faith in their marriage as an example. After all, that is what we are doing when we come to Christ. We are married to Him as the bridegroom. When we have FAITH in our marriage... we have trust, love AND obedience. If you are ignoring your wife, do you have faith in your marriage? If you are cheating on your wife, do you have faith in your marriage. There are LGBTQ people who proclaim a faith in Christ. Are they saved? There are supposed Christians who do OnlyFans. Are they saved, because they profess a nominal belief in Christ yet their actions show nothing of the sort?
A saving Faith, is one that works through love and obedience. It's not just professing Christ with your lips to be your savior, but being BORN AGAIN, as Jesus said to Nicodemus when asked what must we do to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
My thoughts exactly! The only thing that I would change is that faith itself is knowledge and trust, which will in turn result in obedience.
I also agree that professing Christians who do OF, are most likely false converts.
Yes but that obedience by the spirit comes after already being saved. Obedience and good works do not maintain your salvation nor save you. That’s what you need to distinguish. If you believe obedience contributes to your salvation, that is definitely not a good thing. The standard you must hit is perfection and that will never happen. The only obedience that saves us the obedience of Christ.
@@KnightFel agreed. But the thing is that _Free Grace_ condemns any work as self-righteousness.
This guy is teaching that works and obedience are the same thing. They aren’t even close. Jesus absolutely ssys he’s coming back for the OBEDIENT. Show he a verse otherwise
So, I’m curious. How do you know YOU’RE one of the really obedient ones that are worthy? And before you get all mad and indignant.. it’s an honest question. If you say you know you’re perfectly obedient, wow.. you’ve kept all 10 commandments your whole life? Good on you!! But if you didn’t obey even just once.. Whoah. You sinned… i.e…. You are toast, buddy. That said, how do you keep the law perfectly and be obedient. Asking for a friend.
@@lasagna3084 do you really think an occasional sun like a lie is the same thing as a sinful lifestyle? Really?
I’ve got s question for you. Do you thinkGod was just kidding when he said “Be not deceived no one living in adultery, no fornicator, no homosexual, no idol worshippers, or drunkards will enter his kingdom? Do you notice how those are all lifestyles.
But ya I do none of those things. Why would I want too? Tens of millions of people who do not even believe in God, don’t do those things!!! Do you?
Do you think a drunkard or a homosexual is going to heaven? Simple question? I answered yours. How do I know you asked? I know because I do none of those things God listed. Why on earth would I want too?
So simple question fir you. A homosexual and his partner walk in one day and ask you, “ We are homosexuals, can we continue are relationship, and still be saved? What would you say to them?
Yes obedience to God is a good work. They are the same thing.
@@dman7668 oh they are not. Completely different words in both Hebrew and Greek. And they have completely different meanings.
@@Nomad58 This is not a matter of words. Is obeying God a good thing?
Yes. Is it a good work? Yes. So no, they are the same thing in quite a literal sense.