How Lordship Salvation Misunderstands Gospel
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- In this clip, Jon and Justin discuss their critiques of Lordship Salvation and how it misunderstands the Gospel. Lordship Salvation can lead to some confusing language surrounding passages that deal with the law, the gospel, salvation, and assurance.
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I always open my Bible to see if what is being stated is true. The first verse quoted in this video is John 3.36. The problem is that John McArthur is quoting the ESV and in the ESV it says "obey", not "believe". The problem is that the ESV wasn't present at the time of the Reformation. I have been noticing how so many biblical doctrines are affected by simply using a Bible that is based on the Critical Text and not the Textus Receptus. There's where the confusion originates from. I've seen this many times over.
Hmm, Many translations have obey in there including the NASB, NLT etc. NIV has rejects. KJV is 'believe not'. Reading the text, obey is actually saying since only believers obey Jesus, those that do not obey do not believe Jesus. That jives with the rest of the Bible and the other translations. Those who reject Jesus do not believe in Him. Those who believe not do not believe in Jesus.
@@danielkim672 believing on Jesus Christ is the initial act of salvation whereas obedience to Jesus Christ is in relation to living out that belief by sanctification. ALL modern bibles (save the MEV & NKJV) either equate or confuse these 2 different concepts of Christianity. By making obedience equal with believing they incidentally make it seem that salvation is by works. Modern bibles subtlety replace grace with works. John 3.36 teaches the necessity of believing on Jesus Christ but there are many that can one day come face to face with death and never have the opportunity to live there life in obedience to Him. Believe = salvation, believe not = condemnation. Obedience is for those who have believed, not for those who haven't..
@@Emrio3 hmmm. The way you wrote it, I am probably in agreement with you. I read through 'modern Bibles' and I dont believe the modern Bibles makes one think we are not saved by Grace and that we are not sustained by that Grace our salvation. I supposed people can get confused but if one studies the entire Bible, I don't see how they can. Unless they want to be purposefully confused or get taught something different by a teacher with a different agenda.
@@danielkim672 thank you for engaging in this conversation Daniel. I appreciate your input and this issue about Lordship Salvation was never a part of Christian Conversations until recently. 1958 was the year I know this first appeared but I've read somewhere that it started ten years earlier. Nonetheless, the "doctrine" of Lordship Salvation is fairly recent and has now really started to take traction in our pulpits. If I only read modern bibles I would have to abandon true grace Salvation and adopt Lordship Salvation in order to reconcile the sum of the scriptures associated with salvation.
@@danielkim672 here is a link of a very concise teaching concerning the subject of Lordship Salvation found in modern bibles.
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MacArthur would probably not like this, but in some ways Lordship Salvation takes a step back towards Rome, and undoes Luther and Calvin's work.
Takes about 12 steps toward Rome.
I've heard Lordship Salvation described as Catholicism-lite, and that seems about right to me.
@sorenpx it's even worse because at least catholicism is upfront about works salvation. Lordship Salvation (which I prefer to call discipleship salvation) is far more subtle and deceptive.
Martin Luther and John Calvin's work doesn't amount to a hill of beans. They were not apostles of God, so whatever they taught on scripture mean absolutely nothing. Considering that Martin Luther had a rabid hatred of Jews and God's laws, it would be more accurate to say that he was doing the devil's work.
The common belief now about Luther and the Jews is greatly misunderstood. I would suggest you look up Pastor Joshua Sullivan’s Marks on this on the UA-cam channel. Ask the pastor.. Luther was anti-Judaism, not anti-Semitic
So glad you are addressing this again. I think MacArthur, whom I respect immensely, would be horrified to read that Pelagius actually agrees with him on this issue (see Pelagius' "On the Divine Law," 2.90, 92, "On Virginity," 2.82, and "On the Christian Life," 2.111-18 in B.R. Rees' "Pelagius: Life and Letters")--and that should frighten every single one of us, including pastor MacArthur.
“But the principal acts of saving faith focus directly on Christ-accepting, receiving, and resting upon him alone for justification, sanctification, and eternal life, by virtue of the covenant of grace.” 1689 14.2
John 1:12; Acts 16:31; Galatians 2:20; Acts 15:11.
I love how 1689 succinctly puts this.
"[Saving faith is] a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn't stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever...Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!” - Martin Luther
So Ryrie was right in his book so great a salvation?
And the two by the Zane C. Hodges "The Gospel Under Seige" and "Absolutely Free"! His "Free Grace Theology", along with Charles Ryrie's version did so much harm to American evangelicalism. Between that and dispensational false doctrine, we may never recover.
I Corinthians 3, these are 'brothers', and God's Spirit dwells in" them. Yet they are still "of the flesh", infants. How does Lordship salvation view these Corinthians, what is their status in regard to salvation? The text indicates that some are in this category "If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire".
Do I see a set of 8 volumes of Systematic Theology by Lewis Sperry Shafer (sp) in the background???
I would love to hear you do an overview of that teaching.
I also thought that it might be Chafer on the shelf. He is strong on grace, but what is more necessary is careful examination of Paul's texts. I prefer to go to the spring than have someone describe how the water tastes.
It is a depressing thought to think there is something I have to do to earn salvation.
@Kyfriedfaith is a gift of God, not yours to offer. This is pelagianism. The one thing you contribute is your sin that makes saving you necessary.
It's depressing to you because human nature wants to think of itself as being good without doing good. That is ultimately why the _true_ gospel about the Kingdom of God is just as unpopular now in "Christianity" as it was when Christ first preached it in the 1st century. "Christianity" preaches false gospels about grace, Christ, or the cross because its adherents want a religion where they can act holy while living like the average atheist.
Need? Sinners need saving. God provides faith to accomplish it. Praise God!
So blessed by this discussion. God bless.
These guys are nothing more than satan casting out satan. Repent!
Hmm... I've always heard that the narrow gate is Christ (and in this case I have an issue with some translations that say the narrow road is hard).
And the gate being narrow doesn't mean many won't pass through it
I supposed 'hard' may not be the best English word for the intent of the passage. Jesus is the narrow gate as only through Jesus, we can have eternal life. Why could that be hard? It is the opposite of what is easy and wide. People will try to get around Jesus to get to this life. By ones own sin, pride, other religions, other philosophies and the list goes on and on. The self help done by people to exalt themselves is easy, but will lead to death and destruction. To turn away from that pride, the sin to get to life, for 'us' to do it, it is hard and that road is narrow for 'us'. The Gospel that Jesus will continue to teach is that only through Him will we have rest and salvation. What is hard and narrow, like a camel going through the eye of a needle, aka impossible, is made possible through Jesus Christ. From Death to Life. For Jesus to do that was not necessarily 'easy' either. Jesus is God Almighty so He is the only one to do it, but Jesus came to life as fully human, to live a life free of sin although fully tempted by the world, to suffer and die. Jesus did the impossible so that we could go from life to death.
It's not the entering the difficult problem, it's the "FINDING" the issue. Few find it Mathew 6:14b.
@@danielkim672 how dare we divorce that narrow road from the LAW MESSAGE that Jesus was teaching? Jesus was not preaching the gospel of His death, burial, and resurrection. Jesus was not preaching grace. Look at Matthew 16:21 from that time Jesus BEGAN TO SHOW...that He must. ...and be killed and be raised. See Peter's objection to this!!! This was NEW. Paul was given this new gospel, but Jesus NEVER preached it. In Romans ch. three Paul says that this righteousness by grace is a NEW MESSAGE through the NEW GOSPEL. That narrow difficult road was not grace.
The rich young ruler did give the terms of the old covenant for meriting eternal life. Under that covenant, if he had fulfilled it perfectly, he could have attained eternal life. However, only one person ever could (Because he did not have the imputation of Adam's sin) and ever did, and that is Christ. So the issue for the Lordship Salvation type is that he collapsed the covenants. Jesus told that young man the truth at that time.
Thank God another preacher(s) notices. Thank you you two.
First of all, this is sooo needed in the body of Christ. We need the lions share of our preaching and teaching to be centered on the Glory of His Grace. So thank you for your work!!
As I listen to these podcasts, my only suggestion would be to get a 3rd party voice. The two of you are so aligned in your thinking that sometimes it’s hard to really make out the argument. It’s like you both know exactly where you’re heading with the argument so the listener kinda gets dragged over the bumps. Help us to really understand. Maybe get someone with a differing view or at least another one who can help argue thru it… but again, thank you for these!!! We need them!
Good feedback
No wonder Macarther makes statements that “no one has the gospel right these days”. He’s added qualifiers
You have such a week view of what it is to be saved !!!!! You preach easy believism
MacArthur admits to being 'leaky' Dispensationalist. Is he a 'leaky' Calvinist too ?
Lol.
Are you a dispensationalist
6:47 "Getting him to make a decision." Lordship Salvation links with decisional regeneration.
Justin, at 2:22 you quote Calvin. “If they [believers] begin to judge their salvation by good works, nothing will be more uncertain or more feeble…” from 3.14.19. But after the word feeble you insert things that I cannot find anywhere. Can you help me understand where you are getting the rest so I can follow you here?
The point of 3.14.19 (in context) is good works do support and confirm our assurance but can never be the basis. They can never be trusted in as meritorious. They only benefit In assurance as a sign of our calling.
For example at the end of 3.14.18 Calvin says “the gift of good works, which shows that that we have received the spirit of adoption.”
In fact it is in this discussion that Calvin says good works can be considered as “inferior causes. But how so? In this way: Those whim in mercy he has destined for the inheritance of eternal life, he , in his ordinary administration, introduces the possession of it by means of good works.” (3.14.21)
Help me understand how your not lifting Calvin quotes out of context? If Calvin is saying things in this context that I would assume you sharply disagree with, how can you use him in support of your position?
I am trying to follow you carefully to figure out if what you are saying is true. The interaction here would be very helpful.
Blessings
You are right on that. Jesus "loved him". All those whom God loves will be granted repentance and gifted with saving faith. There was a happy ending to the story that many miss. Talk to the R.Y.R
When we are transformed
...see you then!
I wonder, if the rich young ruler, after Pentecost, became a true follower of Jesus... I like to think he did. :)
That MacArthur thinks works of genuine faith offer assurance does not entail the view that justification is based on sanctification. That’s a non sequitur.
Hey guys. MacArthur is not at all a dispensationalist on his take on the sermon on the mount. He sounds Covenant Reformed. "It is pure gospel ,pure grace, not at all law". This is Covenentalism. This is ANTI DISPENSATIONAL!!! But John Mac must say this because he is insisting on "the gospel according to Jesus", so he must MIX BOTH and the sermon on the mount is too well known to not be central. So it needs to be retold as a grace message but with law requirements. I think that this is a crucial subtlety that you guys are missing. But I am thankful that you are opposing the works message. Thanks.
Based upon the Federal Vision stuff with Doug Wilson, and Doug being a heretic for "redefining faith." Would consistency not lead you to call John MacArthur a heretic as well?
Saving faith produces good works per James - it’s that simple
would you guys do a video on the heretical film by chris white "once saved always saved" where he denies salvation by faith alone and heretics such as david bercot who denies christs imputed rightousness, and heretics like dr michael brown?. this film teaches that we are saved "proven saved" by our faithfullness to christ.. lordship salvation and this film are simply teaching judaism and the further judaisation of christianity.
What reformed books you know refutes Lordship salvation?
When in the psalms David makes a contrast between the wicked and the righteous, is that even a proper category in your view ?
Salvifically speaking, God is the only righteous one. In many places in the Psalms, "the righteous" prophecies of Lord Jesus being victorious through His own righteousness. If one's own righteousness factors in to one's salvation, then that one is still condemned and needs to come to believe the Gospel.
Is there a specific instance of the use of "the righteous" which you think is not compatible with true separation between law and Gospel?
I don't understand the foundation for your question; it seems to not fit what was said in the video. Did you listen to the video before commenting?
@@NicholasproclaimerofMessiah
I have been taught that good works are the inevitable outcome of a person who has been born again. So my question is , if someone fails to demonstrate that faith should we who can only look upon the outside that one should consider himself saved ?
@@michealferrell1677 False converts need to be pointed to that which is persuasive unto trusting Lord Jesus that the Gospel Promise is true. If we agree that conversion guarantees the newness of life, then we should also agree that false converts need that which is persuasive to convert them.
I find Lord Jesus to be worshipfully worthy such that I believe His demonstration on the cross that God is willing to save sinners.
I find Lord Jesus to be worshipfully worthy such that I am persuaded by His demonstration of sinless life that He is sufficient to cover my sins.
I find Lord Jesus to be worshipfully worthy such that I trust that what He taught to Nicodemus in John 3 and to Martha in John 11 is true.
A false convert either believes a different gospel, believes on a different "Jesus", or else is not sincerely genuinely persuaded of the truth of the true Gospel which he professes. Pointing such an one to look to works, gives him cover to hold to his works in his heart; that is a lethally bad approach. Some false converts who trust in their works, appear to be impressive in good works, but it is whitewash on a tomb; Lordship Salvation Doctrine provides them cover so they may more readily remain condemned. Such an one needs to become persuaded that the Gospel is true. Therefore, such an one needs to be pointed to the reality of the Gospel according to the persuasiveness of Christ.
The question is what does the individual believe? and in what manner does he "believe" it? and why should he believe it or else believe otherwise?
Christ is why he should believe the Gospel.
In First John 5, John outlines the requirement that we be assured unto eternal security, lest we make God a liar by not believing the Testimony which He has given about His Son. John does not rebuke those who are not yet eternally assured, but instead he warns them that to reject that assurance is to call the Gospel a lie, and he assures them that Christ is plenty assurance for believers to know we are eternally secure, thereby inviting the unassured in to join us in what is elsewhere described as "full assurance of faith... ...because He is trustworthy who promised" (Hebrews 10 22-23).
I agree with John Calvin, that if anyone looks to his works for assurance, then he ought to despair because his own works fall short of the law of God. God is too holy for us to find assurance in our imperfect works. What our works assure us of, is that we need Christ.
The Gospel has plenty of assurance for all who believe it.
If someone is exhibiting blatant sinfulness, such that we are sincerely concerned, then we ought to challenge them on what gospel they believe in, and why they believe it, and in what manner they believe it. Some people think belief is a choice, but, in reality, genuine belief is a sincere response to genuine valid persuasiveness (such as that of Christ Himself). Some people think the believer must rely on himself to remain in belief, that our salvation in some sense depends on us to be the decisive determiner of it. These are the sorts of matters that need to be addressed: pointing to the Gospel and to the Messiah. Pointing to works, just tempts the heart to rely on works, which is a temptation of eternal death.
Do you have any response to my answer about the psalms? Did I address "the righteous" sufficiently in regard to the topic at hand?
1 John 2:29
If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
1 John 3:7-8
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Matthew 6:14-15
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
@@Lij_MC great verses for sure 👍
But I think the point is that we are not righteous. We are being sanctified and therefore will in time become more like our savior, but actual righteousness is given or imputed to us through his sinless life , his death , burial and resurrection.
Has anyone ever explained these minutiae better than Calvin?
Also, regarding the rich young ruler.......the text says "Jesus loved him" . This is an indication that he was elect and that there is more to the story,....I am convinced God worked on his conscience thru rememberance of THE WORDS spoken by the Lord and the work of THE SPIRIT.
All those whom Christ loves... will come to Him..effectual calling is biblical He (GOD) is the author and the finisher of our faith.
Mac Arthur is concerned that many of his congregation are but nominal Christians. But the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest.
His over emphasis on works as evidence of sal. is not needed.
Plenty of verses to warn us to be working out our salvation . But the comfort of God's enabling Spirit/loving correction
is also mentioned thru-out. We will stand..... because He is able to make us stand.
God is sovereign, man is responsible. Mac is scaring the wheat by preaching to the tares.
Is Repentance a prerequisite to Salvation?
I hear what you are saying. And if there is real faith and there has been a real heart change then there will be obedience. In my culture i more often than not meet and talk with men who say they are believers and yet have lived decades in addiction, immorality, homelessness just every kind of debauchery. To affirm someone's salvation in this type of situation is very dangerous. There will be a dramatic life change when Jesus lives in us. If there has been no life change then how can salvation be affirmed? Lordship Salvation is a beautiful thing when the Lord is Jesus and our heart's affection is towards Him. Maybe I'm missing the point of this video.
The thing is, from the outside, salvation can not be affirmed. Jesus teaches many times how people do good deeds but are not truly saved, so how can good deeds be intertwined with that actual act of salvation? Theoretically, could someone be looked as a baby Christian and still be truly saved? Yes. Or perhaps that person indeed never truly committed their lives to Jesus. Could someone super pious and looking like 100% for Jesus not be saved? Yes. The only affirmation for the individual is have they truly placed their faith in Christ Jesus. James argues that faith without works is dead, which is true. But you have to look into what James is saying. He talks about not doing works to 'fulfill' the law ourselves as no one apart from Jesus have nor will ever fulfill the law. Good fruit will come from good trees. That does not mean someone can not deceive. Although Jesus knew from the start Judas was never saved and would betray Him. There is no indication that any of the other disciples or other followers had a hint Judas was not. Judas himself probably deceived himself thinking he was a true follower. Matthew 23:27 is one of the verses of people 'appearing' to look beautiful outside, but dead inside.
27 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people’s bones and all uncleanness.
@@danielkim672 I am not really talking about the lack of or accounting of "good works". I am more talking about the total lack of any refrain from "bad works". The Lord gave us parables to use as the standard. A good tree doesn't produce bad fruit. So I think it's ok to use that standard. Now in my culture, the idea of 'good works" is not really an issue. The idea that they said a prayer or were baptized 25 years ago yet has had no fruit. What about these ?
@@mathewcollins8370 I will start with saying that no one knows the heart aka salvation status of a person. We can definitely make guesses, but we cant know for sure either way.
So what is bad fruit? You said a good tree doesn't produce bad fruit. Unfortunately I do. You do the same. Now are we to categorize bad fruit to different levels to determine who is a Christian or not?
WE are made GOOD fruit by Jesus. Our works do not make us good. In your example, perhaps that person who said they committed themselves to Christ 25 years ago is not saved. That could be a good guess. Same could be said for someone that did all the works for 25 years yet never believed in Jesus. THey have SO MANY fruit yet they are not saved.
@@mathewcollins8370You use the parable of a tree and its fruit. I totally disagree with your interpretation, but let’s go with your interpretation. Jesus says a good tree does not produce ANY bad fruit. It’s incapable of producing bad fruit. So, in your view, because of course you believe that you are a good tree, does that parable hold up? Do you never sin? Are you perfect in every good work? Do you never produce bad fruit?
@@medic4christ777 producing bad fruit in the biblical text does not mean never sinning. Producing bad fruit is a common idea of how a person lives. i sin on a daily basis.
Amen.
Forget about 'believing'. The issue is whether you know the Lord or not. If you know the Lord, your saved. It's that simple.
Am I wrong in saying we will never surrender all as Christians because we still sin.
When I read the gospel of Romans I hear you clearly and JMac more dimly. When I read the epistle of James I hear JMac clearly and you dimly. Why is this you may ask, well Paul was addressing a certain audience with certain concerns and James was addressing a certain audience with different concerns. So, maybe the solution to the imbalance is the freegrace guys study James alittle more and the Lordship guys study Romans a little more. Let James and Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit set us all straight.
My real concern here however is that whenever you start defining yourself as against another's position you wind up not doing the thing you say you want to do, that being defining yourself by the person of Christ and the full gospel.
You guys have a ministry to people who have been burnt by legalism. JMac has a ministry to those who are deceived by false liberty. The preaching of Christ and his gospel apply to both audiences.
However I do believe that the goal of the preacher is two fold, that being to trouble the complacent and to comfort the faint-hearted. I can't comment on you gentlemens preaching because I haven't followed it most closely but if this statement is true I do think that anyone with any sincerity cant question that JMac has done this more consistently and effectively than most reformed, dispensational or otherwise.
Remember gentlemen, it is a biblical principle to respect your elders, you don't have to agree with them on every nuance, but certainly respect them. Please take the high road.
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I think anyone with any true discernment agrees with your statement. This group is taking “free grace” beyond what the reformers would have. They are getting into territory that is not biblical. And you rightly understand that crafting a message to it’s appropriate target audience can be misunderstood by guys like this who want to be “accurate” and “Technical”, they miss that they are calling a work of good spirit filled preaching/writing false teaching. It’s dishonoring to Christ to quibble over such nonsense. Fight someone who has a track record of being wrong and is outside orthodoxy. This argument is so far within orthodoxy it’s ridiculous to even talk about it like they do.
If we are being disobedient, we are supposed to feel condemned, even if we are saved, we are supposed to not have peace if we are not abiding in Christ.
Actually, no. There is no condemnation for the believer. And we are supposed to have our minds cleansed. Hebrews 10. Conviction is not the same thing as condemnation.
@@medic4christ777good catch!😊
@@medic4christ777 read verse 4
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Clearly The Qualifier is Walking (That is your way of Life) Not After the Flesh but after the Spirit
Romans 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Same as Christs righteousness being fullfilled in whome?
@@Lij_MC Walking in the flesh in the context of that passage is an identity truth. Scroll on down to verse 9. A believer by their nature is not in the flesh. Which is why most translations don’t even include that phrase. Every believer is IN CHRIST JESUS.
As an aside, the story of the rich young ruler involves something that many Christians do not notice: When Jesus asks him whether he has obeyed the commandments, he only mentions five of the six commandments that refer to our attitude towards others. Jesus doesn't mention "you shall not covet". This is present in all the gospel accounts of Jesus and the rich young ruler - Jesus does not ask him whether he has kept the commandment "you shall not covet". The reasons for this might include that Jesus forgot about it or else the gospel writer forgot about it, but that results in a low view of Christ and scripture. If we assume Christ deliberately didn't mention this commandment, then we can naturally assume that it is the commandment that the rich young ruler does NOT follow. And how? He's rich. And the implication here is that he is rich because he covets. And if he covets, it means that it is a zero-sum activity whereby people have become poorer due to his coveting actions to become rich. Hence the call by Jesus to give away his money to the poor means that if the rich young ruler wishes to repent, then he must give back his ill-gotten gain, which he is unwilling to do.
Although Textual Criticism had a noble goal in the beginning, i.e. find the original text of the bible, it has accomplished the complete opposite. Instead of receiving what God has given us in the Textus Receptus and all scripture prior to the King James Bible, Textual Criticism has submerged us into doubt, uncertainty, questioning, and ultimately undermined the AUTHORITY of Scripture. I understand its intent but it's fruit is very evident. Consider this, every creed, catechism, confession and confidence of our church forefathers was built upon the Textus Receptus. The Critical Texts simply call everything of our past ecclesiastical history into question. The Critical Text is slowly but surely stripping away the veracity and and authority of scripture. It's the ole, "Yea, hath God said..." device the enemy has been using for years. Anything that causes you to doubt God's word is an attack from Satan. People accuse the KJV ONLY position of causing division when, in reality, this was never an issue for hundreds of years until Textual Criticism came on the scene in the late 1800s. In fact it wasn't even known or identified as the King James Bible until it had to be distinguished from the modern Bibles that started appearing. For years the Bible was known and identified simply as "The Holy Bible". I'm just simply pointing out the truth. Just be honest with what Textual Criticism and the Critical Text have produced. Doubt, confusion, uncertainty, division, heresy, biblical illiteracy, undermined the authority of scripture, apostacy, etc. These are some fruits the Critical Text has produced.
It seems to me that Jesus was asking the rich young ruler to put his faith in him. The rich young ruler chose to trust his riches instead of Christ.
The road is narrow because it’s Jesus. He is the way, the truth and the life.
The resurrected Jesus said in Luke 24:47 “and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations….” NASB. Jews after hearing Peter’s sermon (Acts 2) asked “what shall we do?” Peter’s first word was “Repent.” WITHOUT REPENTANCE THERE IS NO SALVATION! Repentance is not a work, but a an attitude of such Godly sorrow that a person doesn’t want to continue to sin. 2 Corinthians 7:10
If you believe me, you will keep my commamdments.
What verse are you trying to quote? Jesus said in John 14:15,
" If ye love me, keep my commandments," which has a completely different meaning than what you wrote.
If any of you wants to be my follower, you MUST deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me.
Matthew 16:24
Lordship in a nutshell.
3 By this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
4 Whoever says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word truly has the love of God perfected in him. By this we know we are in Him.
6 Whoever says he remains in Him ought to walk as He walked.
Modern English Version. Thinline Edition. Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014. Print.
With all this, you have said nothing. Posting scripture without giving its meaning is in vain. Repent!
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw what! Repent, are those your words or Christs? David is taking the effort to seek God in His Word, I am not sure of your heart and this is exactly why you object, object to self reflection and go for the jugular. You would do well to submit to Gods Word and stop telling everyone to repent if you don’t agree.
@@davidelgeti517 ,...These are the words of God that he sent out his disciples to say to the people of the Godless 100% apostate church and world.
David is not seeking God, no man seeks God. He is just another totally blind, lost, and deceived counterfeit christian snared into the apostate church.
If anyone is in or has anything to do with anything called Christianity or a/the church, they are not a Christian. There are no Christins in the church. The few actual Christians that exist are all outside of everything known as the church. They are voices crying from the desert/wilderness saying to the lost, Repent!
If David was a Christian, his comment here in this video would have been, neither the two guys in this video, nor John M. or any other church pastor/preacher are Christians. They are ALL wolves in sheeps clothing. This video is nothing but satan casting out satan.
Repent!
@@davidelgeti517 @davidelgeti517 ,...These are the words of God that he sent out his disciples to say to the people of the Godless 100% apostate church and world.
David is not seeking God, no man seeks God. He is just another totally blind, lost, and deceived counterfeit christian snared into the apostate church.
If anyone is in or has anything to do with anything called Christianity or a/the church, they are not a Christian. There are no Christins in the church. The few actual Christians that exist are all outside of everything known as the church. They are voices crying from the desert/wilderness saying to the lost, Repent!
If David was a Christian, his comment here in this video would have been, neither the two guys in this video, nor John M. or any other church pastor/preacher are Christians. They are ALL wolves in sheeps clothing. This video is nothing but satan casting out satan.
Repent!
I totally disagree with how u interpret the rich young ruler passage. The point of that story is "follow me". Jesus is asking the guy to choose between following him and his possessions. The one thing the guy lacks is Jesus, and Jesus is precisely trying to meet his need, and the guy rejects him and chooses his possessions. Faith itself does not contain forsaking possessions for sure, but faith views Jesus as an incomparable object of devotion. Jesus says you can't serve God and money, which indicates that faith leads to a preference of Jesus over all other created things.
18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. Whoever fears is not perfect in love.
19 We love Him because He first loved us.
20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar. For whoever does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?
21 We have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
Modern English Version. Thinline Edition. Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014. Print.
With all this, you have said nothing. Posting scripture without giving its meaning is in vain. Repent!
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw I just kind of thought the passages I posted were fairly self explanatory and need not my words to make them more clear or understandable.
When watching this video, they start hitting hard on MacArthur’s words about obedience in salvation as well as hitting on obedience that testifies or confirms the mind of faith one has. These passages in 1st John does line up with what James 2 teaches about faith and works. As they used a passage talking about how Christ denied salvation to those who tell Christ what they did-and he denied them in Matthew 7-(Lord Lord...depart from me you workers of iniquity)-they used that passage to oppose what the scriptures plainly teach. If you go to Ephesians 2:8-9, go read them and tell me where the room for works or obedience are. There isn0ne-it specifically states that we are not saved by our works. Many times what people tend to ignore is what verse ten says:
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, so that we should walk in them. 1
What I like about James and 1st John-just seams to go hand in hand on so many subjects.
22 Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man viewing his natural face in a mirror.
24 He views himself, and goes his way, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
25 But whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in his deeds. 2
What I think is ironic in this exchange-I take the Lordship Salvation as the only salvation in the scriptures and you tell me to repent which I did in 1985 when I was first saved and try to live a life of repentance. Repent from what-letting the scriptures teach what it has always taught? No thank you-no need to repent for relying on the scriptures for my doctrine.
@@davidemme2344 ,...No, absolutely not! The Bible is not self explanatory and 99.9% of those claiming to be Christians have no understanding of it.
Instead of posting a bunch of scripture neither you nor anyone who see it understands, you should have simply made your comment say,.....
Neither the two guys in this video, nor John M. are Christians. The entire church is all 100% apostate and is filled with the Biblically illiterate. These two guys are nothing more than satan casting out satan.
If you would have made a statement like that you would have edified the readers of the comment. You absolutely need to repent and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
Let me just say this. Biblically, everybody who has been justified has good works, no matter to what degree or how imperfect they are. Everybody who has been justified has also been regenerated and indwelled by the Spirit. Justification is one of many benefits of union with Christ by faith alone. You either have all of the benefits or none of them.
So, how does one get justified?
Instant sanctification is just legalism.
The Gospel is news, NOT AN INVITATION.
MacArthur's approach totally underestimates what putting Jesus first would mean - perfect obedience! And that's why Jesus didn't come to earth as an adult and go straight to the cross. The doctrine of Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to us is too precious a doctrine to be cast away so easily. Our hearts are deceitful and desperately wicked. How cold we know Jesus was first in our lives?
I think this is pretty easy to figure out, just put your name or John Macarthur's name in the text.
MATTHEW 19:
16 And, behold, JOHN MACARTHUR came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto JOHN MACARTHUR, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 JOHN MACARTHUR saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
20 JOHN MACARTHUR saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
21 Jesus said unto JOHN MACARTHUR, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when JOHN MACARTHUR heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Acts 2:38, plain and simple!
When Jesus began his ministry, he did so by preaching. Ironically-Mark 1:15 informs us that Christ preached that one must, "repent and believe the gospel."
If you understand the source of opposition MacArthur was driving at then perhaps you might take a different view. Really this is in a large part opposing Keswick Sanctification which teaches some ;eople will be entirly sanctified as a different work of grace by the Holy Spirit. A lot of people see this as the forunner to pentacostalism. This is also known as the higher life movement. What happens is this erroneously starts categorizing Christians where you have the super sanctified and then everyone else. This eventually dissolves into the ideal of carnal Christianity where I said a prayer or walked an aisle-if they never darken the doors of a church ever again-wellnthey at least got saved.
One of the big points MacArthur tries to bring out is all who have the Spirit of God and belong to Christ will begin being sanctified though it allows for the fact-people do fall into sin. Here is how I explain Lordship Salvation-when you were saved, did Jesus become your God?
Theocast is now dispensationalist like Zane hodges, mike cocoris, charles ryrie, and et al.
15 To the pure, all things are pure. But to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. Even their minds and consciences are defiled.
16 They profess that they know God, but in their deeds they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and worthless for every good work.
Modern English Version. Thinline Edition. Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014. Print.
With all this, you have said nothing. Posting scripture without giving its meaning is in vain. Repent!
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Hmm, Many translations have obey in there including the NASB, NLT etc. NIV has rejects. KJV is 'believe not'. Reading the text, obey is actually saying since only believers obey Jesus, those that do not obey do not believe Jesus. That jives with the rest of the Bible and the other translations. Those who reject Jesus do not believe in Him. Those who believe not do not believe in Jesus.
@@davidemme2344 ,...The fact is, you, like all those snared into all the 100% apostate churches do not understand what the gospel is. Calvin understood what the gospel and the Christianity of the Bible was. All actual Christians understand what the truth the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible is 100% apart from Calvin any church, or any other human.
How can anyone obey what they have no understanding of? How can anyone be a Christian when they have zero idea what the Bible actually teaches?
The whole entire 100% apostate church is filled with those who are completely Biblically illiterate. If anyone was actually a Christian they will not be found in, and will have nothing to do with anything called or known as the/s church.
All of Gods chosen ones are outside of the church. Inside the church is nothing but thieves. The church is a den of thieves and a synagogue of satan. Repent!
@@davidemme2344 @davidemme2344 ,...The fact is, you, like all those snared into all the 100% apostate churches do not understand what the gospel is. Calvin understood what the gospel and the Christianity of the Bible was. All actual Christians understand what the truth the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible is 100% apart from Calvin any church, or any other human.
How can anyone obey what they have no understanding of? How can anyone be a Christian when they have zero idea what the Bible actually teaches?
The whole entire 100% apostate church is filled with those who are completely Biblically illiterate. If anyone was actually a Christian they will not be found in, and will have nothing to do with anything called or known as the/s church.
All of Gods chosen ones are outside of the church. Inside the church is nothing but thieves. The church is a den of thieves and a synagogue of satan. Repent!
Wasn't Jesus just proving to the rich young ruler that his heart loved riches more, and that this was the sin (his love of riches and not willing to give them up) that was ultimately preventing him from submitting (Matt 19:24)? You could substitute any other sin in the place of the love of riches and see the same thing when presenting the gospel to someone. If someone is holding on to fornication, gambling, etc. and not willing to forsake those things, they cannot be saved. The bible is clear on counting the cost, forsaking yourself/life (Luke 14:26-33 and Matthew 10:37-39) when coming to the Lord. Yes, God works His grace through faith to accomplish the abandonment of self to a new life, but an unbeliever should know what the Christian life entails (abandonment to self) when coming to Christ. The willingness to abandon all should be there, which is brought about by God, and then the actual sanctification process starts after belief.
This question is at the heart of The Marrow Controversy. You should read The Whole Christ by Sinclair Ferguson. The basic question in the controversy was "must one first forsake sin in order to come to Christ?". Like MacArthur, the nomists of the time said yes. The inheritors of the reformation tradition said no as without Christ one can have no power or even a true willingness to forsake sin.
We come to Christ empty handed with nothing but sin and disgrace. Not our willingness to meet the demands of the Law or our attempts to meet the Law qualify one to come to Christ, and in fact these can be the greatest barriers to truly coming to Christ (it was the rich young rulers problem - he didn't see that all his virtue was "used menstrual garments").
It is Christ who freely justifies us, He who freely both definitively and progressively sanctifies us, and He who will freely eventually glorify us. All this He does sovereignly and unilaterally, out of pure grace and mercy, through the means of Word and Sacrament. Our only part in this is the sin which made this all necessary. If we add anything at all to the all sufficient work of Christ, salvation is no longer a gift, but wages. We are saved by the imputed satisfaction, obedience and holiness of Christ plus nothing (See Heidelberg Catechism Question 60)
You could also read Christ the Lord edited by Michael Horton or a more recent series of blog posts by R. Scott Clark here heidelblog.net/gaj/ for specifics on the errors of Lordship Salvation versus the Reformation doctrine of salvation by grace alone, through faith alone (defined as knowledge, assent and trusting/resting), in Christ and His merits alone.
@@mt-on4lt I appreciate your response and the resources to reference. I'm just looking at the scriptures and how do we reconcile with Luke 14:26-33 and Matthew 10:37-39? I'm not saying a believer has to do anything outside of believing (gift of God), but from scripture, shouldn't an unbeliever count the cost of discipleship and understand the new life that's in Christ? The consideration and willingness to abandon all is not of anyone, but God if the decision is made. Do we not tell the unbeliever that the gospel is not an easy believism but a turning from sin and turning to God (again, all God's doing)?
@@militaryminedid2011 Define "easy believism" in your own words please.
Reading the “The Whole Christ” for the second time and taking a group from my church through it. Claiming the marrow controversy has anything to do with the necessity of repentance or whether Jesus needs to be received as Lord as well as savior is like Ferguson says “misses the point”. (Video series lecture on The Whole Christ from Ligonier).
We need to stop moving the goal posts. We need to start representing our theological opponents fairly. Example in video he claims Mac is trying to include obedience in the definition of what faith is. But a simple check with the original source he is referring to Mac makes it clear “Obedience is the inevitable manifestation of true faith”.
We got to do better!
@@johnangelagoodell888I think the only one attempting to move the goal post here is you. You are attempting to redefine what Mac says quite clearly, to defend a position that isn’t defensible. John Mac is clear. He believes faith and law keeping go hand in hand.
Jesus himself says to “REPENT and believe,” brother.
23 Jesus answered him, “If a man loves Me, he will keep My word. My Father will love him, and We will come to him, and make Our home with him.
24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words. The word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me.
25 “I have spoken these things to you while I am still with you.
26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you.
27 Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
28 “You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and am returning to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
29 Now I have told you before it happens so that, when it happens, you may believe.
30 After this I will not speak much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over Me.
31 But I do as the Father has commanded Me so that the world may know that I love the Father.
“Rise, let us go from here.
Modern English Version. Thinline Edition. Lake Mary, FL: Passio, 2014. Print.
With all this, you have said nothing. Posting scripture without giving its meaning is in vain. Repent!
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw I just kind of thought the passages I posted were fairly self explanatory and need not my words to make them more clear or understandable.
When watching this video, they start hitting hard on MacArthur’s words about obedience in salvation as well as hitting on obedience that testifies or confirms the mind of faith one has. These passages in 1st John does line up with what James 2 teaches about faith and works. As they used a passage talking about how Christ denied salvation to those who tell Christ what they did-and he denied them in Matthew 7-(Lord Lord...depart from me you workers of iniquity)-they used that passage to oppose what the scriptures plainly teach. If you go to Ephesians 2:8-9, go read them and tell me where the room for works or obedience are. There isn0ne-it specifically states that we are not saved by our works. Many times what people tend to ignore is what verse ten says:
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, so that we should walk in them. 1
What I like about James and 1st John-just seams to go hand in hand on so many subjects.
22 Be doers of the word and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man viewing his natural face in a mirror.
24 He views himself, and goes his way, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
25 But whoever looks into the perfect law of liberty, and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in his deeds. 2
What I think is ironic in this exchange-I take the Lordship Salvation as the only salvation in the scriptures and you tell me to repent which I did in 1985 when I was first saved and try to live a life of repentance. Repent from what-letting the scriptures teach what it has always taught? No thank you-no need to repent for relying on the scriptures for my doctrine.
@@davidemme2344 ,...No, absolutely not! The Bible is not self explanatory and 99.9% of those claiming to be Christians have no understanding of it.
Instead of posting a bunch of scripture neither you nor anyone who see it understands, you should have simply made your comment say,.....
Neither the two guys in this video, nor John M. are Christians. The entire church is all 100% apostate and is filled with the Biblically illiterate. These two guys are nothing more than satan casting out satan.
If you would have made a statement like that you would have edified the readers of the comment. You absolutely need to repent and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
Good trees, bear good fruit a man good trees don’t be a bad fruit. Just keep it simple guys you’re confusing as heck.
"When saving faith is present good works will be present", that is lordship salvation, You don't believe any different from McArthur. Can you tell me how long good works must persist to have "saving faith"? How much backsliding is too much backsliding before it shows you don't have "saving faith"? Are you telling me a person can trust in Christ and it doesn't save them because they never had any good works?
Yes. James said faith without works is dead. He likens the shallow faith you talk about to the kind Satan and the demons possess. They knew God exists, and that Jesus is Lord longer than we've been alive. However, none of that means anything by itself because they won't obey the law of God. True faith is supported by how one lives in accordance with the law of God. It is NOT just a shallow acceptance of God's existence or Christ's sacrifice.
I believe that the teaching of Jesus is in the law dispensation. This is demonstrated by the sermon on the mount being so central to the teaching of Jesus, yet being all law. You cannot take the law out of that sermon. And you cannot take Jesus out of that sermon. Jesus is teaching LAW NOT GRACE NOT GOSPEL!!! matt. 16:21 Jesus BEGAN BEGAN BEGAN. And this was at the end of His ministry. And Peter objected to this death burial and resurrection. This was DIFFERENT and NEW. When the women went to the tomb it was to prepare a body that was going TO STAY DEAD! They had not expected His death. They had not expected His resurrection.
So just keep it simple - can a person be truly saved and love like unbelievers? Live for the flesh - of course not!!! Reformed guys trip over catechisms and words and miss the truth!!!!!
I don’t fully agree with MacArthur on this issue, but he simply does not teach that works are part of “earning” salvation. We are saved by grace through faith - and this is exactly what MacArthur teaches.
JM is not a Christian, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Macaurthur is one of the worst offenders of teaching works for salvation.
@@John5.24 You are wrong. I’ve listened to over 200 sermons of his. He literally teaches the opposite. He has spelled it out multiple times so there’s no confusion. You obviously haven’t heard those sermons so you remain ignorant on the subject.
@@ABC-1234- or perhaps you believe in works salvation and call it grace. That's all MacAurthur does.
@@John5.24 You should try knowing what you’re talking about before speaking. You look like an idiot to people who actually know what MacArthur teaches. You’re prideful for doubling down instead of admitting you haven’t listened to 200+ sermons and you JUST MIGHT be wrong. 🥴
Calvinism tulip double predestination take the mark of the beast then repent and be forgiven the blood of jesus not being needed for salvation and original sin everyone being guilty of Adams sin babies being doomed from the womb for damnation or elected fir salvation before birth ate all false dictrine macarthurs preaches.
Jesus Christ is the only sinless Lamb .
Yeah, so, what does that mean?
Another fantastic intellectual debate !!! No power for sure but very intellectually stimulating. Listening to it helps me forget a whole generation is being lost to hell.
You talk about misunderstanding the Gospel, the Gospel takes nothing away from God and His revelations to us in the new covenant, but removes the vail or as we see can that Moses was brought near to God. We are brought nearer to God by Grace through faith, this does not change who God is but removes the vail. We by the power of the Gospel have a greater view of God and although the light we receive by faith is too much at times we are being made able to see God more fully. Please stop telling those that have gone before you and encouraging you of the greatness of your God that you won’t believe it until you see it for yourself.
Read this portion of scripture again with eyes opened by the Gospel and tell me that God is not who He said He is!
Exodus 20:1-21
The Ten Commandments
And God spoke all these words, saying,
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.
“You shall have no other gods before me.
“You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
“You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.
“Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.
“You shall not murder.
“You shall not commit adultery.
“You shall not steal.
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
“You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”
Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off and said to Moses, “You speak to us, and we will listen; but do not let God speak to us, lest we die.” Moses said to the people, “Do not fear, for God has come to test you, that the fear of him may be before you, that you may not sin.” The people stood far off, while Moses drew near to the thick darkness where God was.
Repent, and learn what the gospel, and Christianity of the Bible really is.
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw Help me out and tell me what is the Gospel. I thought repentance was the same as turning to your Lord and Saviour and putting your trust in him alone for your Salvation. What am I missing?
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw I see you also understand that Christ is Lord and has all authority. I am assuming that is the authority you are communicating when you say repent. For if Christ is not in authority to save why repent and believe, why put my faith in someone that doesn’t have the power to save? All that Christ has fulfilled proves His authority and divinity and His mercy and Grace. There is a substance to your faith, you actually received something, we call it Grace a gift of faith but we need to unpack this gift. Not to be saved but because we are saved.
@@davidelgeti517 ,...The Bibles gospel is, all mankind are spiritually dead and have zero ability to do anything to change their dead state. No one can repent and believe, or put their faith in Jesus, accept Jesus, choose Jesus, turn to Jesus, seek Jesus, etc. etc. All mankind are totally lost and dead.
However, God chose to save a few and these few are Gods chosen ones, his elect. Jesus goes to them and makes them spiritually alive (born again) This is the first resurrection. These chosen ones did absolutely nothing. They did not repent, believe, trust Jesus, believe in Jesus, get baptized, accept Jesus, do good works, keep any commandments, go to church, etc. etc.
Nothing they did before nor after has anything to do with their salvation. They are saved simply because God chose to save them. That is the gospel. It is only good news to the few who God chose to save. To the remaining 99% of the church/world, it is bad news. But they are all too ignorant (spiritually dead and blind) to understand this.
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw thank you for taking the time to explain the Gospel. I don’t disagree with what you have said so far. What I would add is in your sanctification you are not required to do, but are invited to join the Spirit in His work of establishing the gifts of Faith and the fruits or good works. You are a new creation, no longer walking in your own good works but in the good works every Christian is offered. We are being transformed into the image of Christ and we are made able to please the father. Not by are works but by a new heart that loves God and our neighbours. Although are works please the father they don’t earn us anything but the fathers good pleasure in a life surrendered to Christ.
This is frustrating to listen to. Jesus explicitly tells us that only those who do the will of his Father will enter - the will of his Father is what he just peached. Those commands and principles and teachings. The problem with the guys who call him "Lord, Lord" is that, while they did impressive things like prophecy and miracles, they DID NOT DO WHAT JESUS ACTUALLY COMMANDED IN THAT SERMON.
Guys it is as clear as day. There is nothing in the text to suggest that the issue is that these guys trust in their good works and that this is why Jesus turns them away. The problem is that they DO NOT DO THE GOOD WORKS JESUS WANTS TO SEE.
God help us all.
One question, have you done perfectly the good works? If not, how much does Jesus require in his teaching? He’s says unless it’s perfect it’s not acceptable. Those who believe are the ones who have obeyed.
@@THEOCAST thank you for responding. I didn't expect to hear from anyone.
I have not done everything in the Sermon on the Mount perfectly, which is why I need God's mercy like everyone else. I am obedient to all Jesus commanded there as far as I am aware, and do not have any sin in my life currently that I am aware of.
But Jesus does not require perfection. He requires obedience. This is why we are taught to continue to ask God to forgive us as we forgive others IN the sermon on the mount. The implication is that there will be times when we need forgiveness, or that there might be some issue in our lives we're not even aware of. Of course we need God's grace or none of us are going to enter. But God only gives his grace to those who turn to Jesus and become obedient to him from the heart, like Abraham was obedient to God. And God only continues to give us grace if we continue to walk in obedience. This is why we are warned all over the epistles about the consequences FOR CHRISTIANS of disobeying and continuing in that direction.
None of us are perfect. Everyone is imperfect. But some people are imperfect and disobedient. Others are imperfect and obedient. God is merciful to that second group. Think of two athletes on a sports team of some kind. One of them is nonchalant, casual, presumptuous. Sometimes they do what the coach says. Other times they blow it off.
The other athlete is humble and coachable. They do whatever the coach says. Sometimes they fall in their face as they try to do it. But because of their humility and obedience, they have progressed much faster and have become auch better player than the first athlete.
Neither of them are perfect. But one of them is going to be cut from the team while the other will remain in the team.
We can be obedient to all Jesus commanded. We can be free of all intentional, habitual, "I know it's wrong but I just can't help myself" kind of sin. Doesn't mean we're perfect and incapable of sin. But rather that we have been set free from enslavement to sin and are now walking that narrow path, learning to obey all Jesus commanded us.
Jesus said that we will remain in his love IF we keep his commandments. And John said that we know we know Jesus IF we keep his commandments. And Paul said that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but what matters is keeping God's commandments.
They all seem to think there is some tangible, meaningful way in which we can actually keep Jesus' commandments.
My question back to you is... Would you challenge Jesus, John, and Paul if they were here? If John said to you that you know you know Jesus if you keep his commandments, would you challenge him and ask him, "Have YOU kept the commandments perfectly, John?"
I assume you would not say something like to him...
@@THEOCAST I'd like to add that both Jesus and Paul preached the kingdom of God. That was at the heart of their gospel, along with the death and resurrection and other important elements of the gospel.
But the arrival of God's kingdom and the authority of Jesus are CENTRAL to the biblical gospel (see last paragraph of Acts 28 and Romans 1:3-4). And so the Sermon on the Mount IS the gospel because it has both of those elements. The judgment is also part of the gospel, as Paul tells us in Romans 2, and the sermon on the mount tells us of the coming judgment. The gospel is all over the sermon on the mount.
Those who obey Jesus are the ones who believe in the kind of way John is talking about. I am not a calvinist and would not encourage anyone to listen to MacArthur. But he has a good point about John 3:36 that I don't think you guys really answered.
What do you think...
@@thomasalbinholmes2538 Just to be clear here, where does Christ specifically tell us he requires less than perfection? Doesn’t he in fact command us to “be ye perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect” in the sermon on the mount?
What does the gospel require?? What is your answer
You are so confusing in this diatribe!!!!
Glad to see you guys rejecting Lordship Salvation. Now the next step in your growth: Reject Calvinism.
Repent, and learn what the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible actually is.
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw Is it Calvinism?
@@sorenpx ,...What the unsaved and the spiritually dead and blind refer to as "Calvinism" (that is simply the truth of the Bible that all Christians understand) is the truth, the gospel, and the Christianity of the Bible.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with Calvin. The lost just attached a mans mane to the Gospel/Christianity of the Bible so they can reject it as the teachings of a man. Anyone who does not understand what Calvin (all actual Christian's) understood doesn't because they remain spiritually dead and blind.
The apostate churches freewill gospel is a 100% false manmade fraud as you will all find out on judgement day.
@@AVoiceCryingintheDesert-tq4vw Mmm hmm. So you not only believe in Calvinism but you also believe that anyone else who doesn't believe in Calvinism and interprets the Bible differently is going to hell. This just keeps getting better. Not only even most Calvinists would make that claim.
You should go sit in a corner and think for a while about how you think that God would craft a human being, and then decide before that person is ever born that they are going to be tormented in hell for all eternity, and then give them no opportunity at all to change their fate. Maybe once you've done that you'll not only realize that this notion is umbilical but that it also blasphemes God and dishonors him.
@@sorenpx ,...No, I do not believe in Calvinism. I believe in and understand the truth of the Bible as did Calvin as well as do all Christians.
Yes, anyone who does not understand what Calvin (all actual Christians) understood(stand) will be cast into the lake of fire as the Bible clearly tells us.
There is no such thing as a Calvinist. This is exactly the same as if a man named Johnson correctly understood that Jesus was God and then everyone who also understood this Biblical truth were called Johnsonists because they simply understood the same Biblical truth that Johnson understood.
Understanding that Jesus was God has nothing whatsoever to do with this man johnson just as understanding the Bibles truth and gospel has nothing whatsoever to do with Calvin.
Understanding what Calvin understood is nothing more than simply understanding the Bible. All actual; Christians understand the Bibles gospel 100% apart from Calvin as I already explained. The unsaved just label the actual Christians as "Calvinists" to make them appear to just be the followers of a man.
The more one argues that being a sheep is separate from acting like a sheep, the more they sound like a goat.
Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourselves. Faith and obedience are inseprable. Yes they are distinguishable. We believe in order to be justified. We obey in order to be sanctified. Mccarthy understands this. No serious minded person should take you seriously. He affirms justification by faith alone.
Instant sanctification is just legalism.
What saith thou concerning " eternal justification ? "
@@BradleyZook-nt7tb OSAS
@@johndodson8464 excuse my ignorance,
What does that mean?
The P.R.C. talks of this certain reality (e.j.) H.
Hoeksma explains that from the Father's perspective, the elect have always been loved, even prior to creation.
@BradleyZook-nt7tb Once saved always saved. Yeah, Luther and Calvin taught predestination. It's what the Bible expressly teaches. Hoeksema was a Calvinist.
@BradleyZook-nt7tb Ephesians 1:4 for example.