Jaron Lanier is one of the most brilliant thinkers alive. Nobody can think about the big-picture the way this guy can. Forget any economist, philosopher, or technologist you know. He is all of those things at once and can no doubt see a bigger piece of the puzzle than they can. He is a huge inspiration of mine
Jaron is of the old guard. Perhaps, that's why he's so human, expressive and able to look at things from outside the bubble. I've been working in the software industry for 24 years and his kind is (most) unfortunately, becoming extinct in the tech industry.
People, with their gifts of original thinking and unique perspectives, should be earning MONEY from the world's Facebooks. Larnier talks about this in the lecture. Our self- value is economically reduced by those who take advantage of the means that can utilize our Hidden value for their own profit. For example, UA-cam knows what you are interested in, and there are market forces willing to buy that information. Larnier suggests a cooperative solution, rather than vampyric one. Jaron rocks
No women in the audience? and no questions? I would've had them.......Lanier; I met him when he was a MIDWIFE! In person....in 1978. He had a 'presence' that superseded all but the most important speakers there. Back then Lanier was not doing anything significant with computers; he possessed something special. I frequently recall that moment. I only have been made aware of Lanier currently within the past few months. What a genius.
I was just thinking the same. The questioners are just trying to reassure themselves that their computerize they possess, and whatever they're working on is just great......Listening I felt like I did when I went to a Buckminster Fuller lecture. The science and math students just didn't get the genius. No one has even commented on Lanier's musicality; those gorgeous instruments and what they represent of us all collectively. Tant Pis.
When I hear the phrase "dumbing down of media" I think of people misinterpreting what this man has to say in ways he would freely admit networks of supercomputers would consistently fail to predict.
It's a compelling argument but here in 2021 eight years later the pandemic he as taught us labour is not going away . Automation has not made us a society free of manual Labour shelf stackers and the supply chain workers had to keep working while professional classes of management stayed at home doing fuck all. Manual labour is still required and the economy is struggling to find it. The promise of automated driving seems extremely premature now ..
I was listening on a Playlist doing some crafting and when I heard "jaron" I was shocked there has to only be maybe 5 people ever whose name is a variation of "jaron" one of my little brothers is named "jaran" my mother says it's some desert out of a science fiction book series she likes. I think it's awesome to find someone named the same as you when one has a very unique name I fit this rare name demographic too another thing is the phenomenon that most likely when you find another person with the same unique name it will be spelled different anywho I also enjoyed jarons type of art. Prehapse the frequency of the music from odd instruments or the ability to play them opens or stims a specific more "socially aware" part of the brain 🤔
Karl Marx never suggested machines would replace workers to the absolute, he kept claiming that value only generates out of labor. Machines will displace workers, granted they can deliver more work than the cost of workers (higher wages inspires innovation). But Karl Marx said machinery cant create value, only surplus value in so far the machinery is better than your competition, in effect creating ie shoes cheaper than others, giving you a better profit margin. Ok thats it.
Lanier is rigorously ANTI-singularity. He is as rational as they come. I highly recommend You Are Not A Gadget for anyone who is spooked by this Singularity nonsense.
I thought the interviewer was wearing moon boots, in which case i thought he was taking a page from Napoleon dynamites book. Just missing the vest. You guys are doing amazing work here. I feel everybody should be exposed to these videos.
Hopefully a light bulb moment for the cyberneticist. I couldn't be sure if the look on his face was a refusal to believe, or a look of horror in the truth being actually worse than zero sum.
My comments are being posted chronologically instead of being specific replies to other peoples posts, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY! Replies, in reverse,are to Limbshifter, Bobby Thomas, Bill Wilkie, and Mr. Forrest Explorer. Why doesn't pressing "Reply" mean being posted under that which one is replying to? Does that mess with temporal market research ;) ?
Socialism: workers owning the fruits of their labor. Sovjet: state capitalistic system where they owned their population. Ok, I can see why socialism failed in Sovjet :p
so many thinks to argue with: - a resource on internet that keeps track of links to it? this is an anti-pattern. it just doesn’t work … for larger than really small network - musicians do not earn enough to make a living: did no one tell them it will be so at least thousand times? actually discouraging kids from choosing artistic career has thousand years long tradition, i suppose ... - collecting data from user is demonetised? users get ('free') service in exchange for their data. this is standard trade. by the way: collective efforts and achievements in teaching machines (here i mean mainly language translation and various image recognition tasks) will pay off even on an individual level magnitudes more than what individual people loose by loosing a job. - new technologies can damage economy and environment? yes! it happens all the time. and it's terrible. invention of blacksmith together with construction lead to destroying forests in all inhabited land. somebody calls 2008 a financial crisis? compared to both world wars which were also to great measure caused by artificial financial crisis, 2008 was a small hiccup. instead of blaming technologies for crisis I would praise resilience of globalised economy that runs on advanced technologies. - not making copy … this is just nonsense. making copies and mutating them is inherent feature of how life works and off course how software works. storing copies of data locally makes many services possible, otherwise simple click on a button would take ages to process. does he not now this? when was the last time he wrote a piece of software? - and about normal distribution vs. long tail distribution: long tail graph signals a transition to new resources. yes, there is a small minority that discovered these new resources and they gain wealth and power ahead of others. but when eventually things will stabilise, distribution of wealth will 'normalise' and will get the shape of 'normal' distribution. that's why it is called normal. we are living in times of shifting paradigms, changing life styles and we face great challenges, for example 'how not to eat whole planet while not to beat each other with bicycle chain at the same time'.
yeah I could argue with a few, like the whole graph reference thing, then what will happen with history? or selective privacy? I could in fact argue that if as a race we manage to create an abundance of energy for us by drawing from a huge energy source, all of his ideas would be flipped on their head because they are based on no-free-meals principal, which won't hold true if the meals come from outside the system...
Jaron Lanier is one of the most brilliant thinkers alive. Nobody can think about the big-picture the way this guy can. Forget any economist, philosopher, or technologist you know. He is all of those things at once and can no doubt see a bigger piece of the puzzle than they can. He is a huge inspiration of mine
There is one guy : jaggi vasudev sadguru
I feel this man is going to be greater than Heidegger.
Agreed...also see Noam Chomsky.
Just found him!
Wonderful, eye opening presentation. What a brilliant guy
this guy lives in the DMT world that exists post-singularity...he visits our world once in a while to give talks and play his music.
Also eating junk food.
Word, I felt that.
Jaron is very bright and articulate.
Jaron is of the old guard. Perhaps, that's why he's so human, expressive and able to look at things from outside the bubble. I've been working in the software industry for 24 years and his kind is (most) unfortunately, becoming extinct in the tech industry.
People, with their gifts of original thinking and unique perspectives, should be earning MONEY from the world's Facebooks. Larnier talks about this in the lecture. Our self- value is economically reduced by those who take advantage of the means that can utilize our Hidden value for their own profit. For example, UA-cam knows what you are interested in, and there are market forces willing to buy that information. Larnier suggests a cooperative solution, rather than vampyric one. Jaron rocks
Thank you for uploading such speeches ! Cultivating worldview
No women in the audience? and no questions? I would've had them.......Lanier; I met him when he was a MIDWIFE! In person....in 1978. He had a 'presence' that superseded all but the most important speakers there. Back then Lanier was not doing anything significant with computers; he possessed something special. I frequently recall that moment. I only have been made aware of Lanier currently within the past few months. What a genius.
This need more views
I was just thinking the same. The questioners are just trying to reassure themselves that their computerize they possess, and whatever they're working on is just great......Listening I felt like I did when I went to a Buckminster Fuller lecture. The science and math students just didn't get the genius. No one has even commented on Lanier's musicality; those gorgeous instruments and what they represent of us all collectively. Tant Pis.
this guy's awsome
At present we don't know what can't be automated.
Having people scream "OUD!" at a stage brought me right back to Bill Bailey's Dandelion Mind.
It's as if Jared goes into a trance when he's playing instruments.
And seven years later, the thumbnail remained, uncorrected.
(Originally uncircumcised, thank you swipe text)
When I hear the phrase "dumbing down of media" I think of people misinterpreting what this man has to say in ways he would freely admit networks of supercomputers would consistently fail to predict.
That'd be great.. A law about not tracking without an agreement.
JL doesn't strike me as the button up type.
I agree with him on some elements - I would say open source software would be outside of his theory
Respect cannot be automated.
It's a compelling argument but here in 2021 eight years later the pandemic he as taught us labour is not going away . Automation has not made us a society free of manual Labour shelf stackers and the supply chain workers had to keep working while professional classes of management stayed at home doing fuck all. Manual labour is still required and the economy is struggling to find it. The promise of automated driving seems extremely premature now ..
History of fashion 101 :D, that was a good one :)
I was listening on a Playlist doing some crafting and when I heard "jaron" I was shocked there has to only be maybe 5 people ever whose name is a variation of "jaron" one of my little brothers is named "jaran" my mother says it's some desert out of a science fiction book series she likes. I think it's awesome to find someone named the same as you when one has a very unique name I fit this rare name demographic too another thing is the phenomenon that most likely when you find another person with the same unique name it will be spelled different anywho I also enjoyed jarons type of art. Prehapse the frequency of the music from odd instruments or the ability to play them opens or stims a specific more "socially aware" part of the brain 🤔
"...there's no free lunch..."~●~
@52:01 Looks like he is playing a pair of chop sticks LOL Please don't get me wrong: I respect this man's genius and talent immensely.
This channel is at 5.72 mil. How does this only have 12000 views?
That's pretty odd, actually.
Karl Marx never suggested machines would replace workers to the absolute, he kept claiming that value only generates out of labor. Machines will displace workers, granted they can deliver more work than the cost of workers (higher wages inspires innovation). But Karl Marx said machinery cant create value, only surplus value in so far the machinery is better than your competition, in effect creating ie shoes cheaper than others, giving you a better profit margin. Ok thats it.
automation becomes very good in about 20 yrs.
Lanier is rigorously ANTI-singularity. He is as rational as they come. I highly recommend You Are Not A Gadget for anyone who is spooked by this Singularity nonsense.
I thought the interviewer was wearing moon boots, in which case i thought he was taking a page from Napoleon dynamites book. Just missing the vest.
You guys are doing amazing work here. I feel everybody should be exposed to these videos.
Hopefully a light bulb moment for the cyberneticist.
I couldn't be sure if the look on his face was a refusal to believe, or a look of horror in the truth being actually worse than zero sum.
My comments are being posted chronologically instead of being specific replies to other peoples posts, AND I DON'T KNOW WHY! Replies, in reverse,are to Limbshifter, Bobby Thomas, Bill Wilkie, and Mr. Forrest Explorer. Why doesn't pressing "Reply" mean being posted under that which one is replying to? Does that mess with temporal market research ;) ?
I want money for this comment!
Digitally brought to you.....
You mean straight-jackets and nooses? History of fashion 101. {;)}
Is that guy a young David Walliams ?
what if it is the mama matrix just coming back to cleanse the slate
"oldest free thinking places in the world" lol ok england sit down.
Socialism: workers owning the fruits of their labor.
Sovjet: state capitalistic system where they owned their population.
Ok, I can see why socialism failed in Sovjet :p
Tom Bombadil is fucking real!!! :D and smart XD
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and smoking
16:30
Market forces as a panacea. Sounds good, too good. Too easy. Where's the catch? Implementation.
A bunch of blurb not really meaningful.
Don't tuck your jeans into your boots...
so many thinks to argue with:
- a resource on internet that keeps track of links to it? this is an anti-pattern. it just doesn’t work … for larger than really small network
- musicians do not earn enough to make a living: did no one tell them it will be so at least thousand times? actually discouraging kids from choosing artistic career has thousand years long tradition, i suppose ...
- collecting data from user is demonetised? users get ('free') service in exchange for their data. this is standard trade. by the way: collective efforts and achievements in teaching machines (here i mean mainly language translation and various image recognition tasks) will pay off even on an individual level magnitudes more than what individual people loose by loosing a job.
- new technologies can damage economy and environment? yes! it happens all the time. and it's terrible. invention of blacksmith together with construction lead to destroying forests in all inhabited land. somebody calls 2008 a financial crisis? compared to both world wars which were also to great measure caused by artificial financial crisis, 2008 was a small hiccup. instead of blaming technologies for crisis I would praise resilience of globalised economy that runs on advanced technologies.
- not making copy … this is just nonsense. making copies and mutating them is inherent feature of how life works and off course how software works. storing copies of data locally makes many services possible, otherwise simple click on a button would take ages to process. does he not now this? when was the last time he wrote a piece of software?
- and about normal distribution vs. long tail distribution: long tail graph signals a transition to new resources. yes, there is a small minority that discovered these new resources and they gain wealth and power ahead of others. but when eventually things will stabilise, distribution of wealth will 'normalise' and will get the shape of 'normal' distribution. that's why it is called normal. we are living in times of shifting paradigms, changing life styles and we face great challenges, for example 'how not to eat whole planet while not to beat each other with bicycle chain at the same time'.
yeah I could argue with a few, like the whole graph reference thing, then what will happen with history? or selective privacy? I could in fact argue that if as a race we manage to create an abundance of energy for us by drawing from a huge energy source, all of his ideas would be flipped on their head because they are based on no-free-meals principal, which won't hold true if the meals come from outside the system...
Jaron Lainer? haha