Thank you Brent for another great video. Here in Australia we just love our 351 Clevelands, simply awesome engines and your work and knowledge is second to none, also a interesting rod/piston combination. I use 6.2 rods and did not know you could go longer. Much love and respect from Australia.
What a coincidence. I just mentioned Australian engine builders to Brent in my post To Brent. This is what I told Brent: “I am more of a road racing kind of guy and for the street and track I like engines that are more like European engines, for example Ferraris engines. I don’t like huge overpowered massive torque engines. A great street and road racing engine should be very responsive all through the RPM range, quick revving and high revving to maybe about 8000 RPM. Most of the engine builders on UA-cam are not focused on this kind of combination. They seem to be more interested in a hot rod drag racing engines. Australian engine builders tend to build more of these kind of engines for street road racing style.” Currently I own Ford escort Cosworth’s, and I had a sapphire Cosworth four-door group A car and an escort cosworth group A by Ford Motorsports in the UK.
impressive performance. in my years as a dyno operator the cleveland engines that came to me to fuss with never had that level of performance on pump fuel one 351 4v w/4.00 stroke destined for a 72 mustang made 430ish hp and 450ish tq. i didnt build them just broke in tested and tuned customers motors. why some folks do what they do without any knowledgable or logical reasoning never ceased to amaze me. the greatest asset to all those running a msd distributer in my experience was a 10-12 degree fbo bushing. to get base timing up in the 20-24deg range if big cam large intake and carb were in play. refrain from running stone cold non resistor -7 to -9 ngk plugs on your low compression grocery getter. resist the urge to feel compelled you need 7-8 lbs of fuel pressure on the old family car. carbon core plug wires regardless of color do not belong on anything. you dont need to run a high viscosity oil strong enough to shesr a distributer drive pin on the old work car. dont over fill the oil pan and 12.5 is way to fat for any warmed up pump gas motor to idle.
Brent this is another video that you can be very proud of. You clearly had a goal in mind from the beginning and the components were selected by using your impressive experience and knowledge of Clevelands to achieve your goal with outstanding results ! Your Cleveland assembly videos are never too long in my opinion. But this shorter format covers the important details along the way and your narrative is a nice touch to explain and entertain. Using the dyno pull numbers is the perfect finish 🏁.
I love anything with cleveland style heads, I had 2 Boss 302 back in the early 80's. One of them was really built and was an 8000 rpm screamer, too much fun!
Great video Brent. Personally I prefer videos of about 15 minutes in length, simply because I can find 15 minutes to watch one in, but finding an hour isn't easy. Love the Cleveland stuff
Yeah the Cleveland is a great engine as far as Im concerned. Theres alot of myths and lore concerning this engine especially the 4v version. Witch alot of it isn't based on facts.
Back in the 70's I went to the drag strip and seen a 340 Duster that the engine was destroked to 302 CI. That car run 9 something seconds at over 140 mph in the quarter mile. I couldn't believe it.
You ever done or thought about doing a 351m build? I'd be very happy to compare yours vs my budget build 351m with forged pistons and roller valvetrain. Mine I had to bore .060 over. Runs nice and cool with a 195 tstat and better water pump. Has about 1500 miles on it so far in a 78 F250 2 wheel drive.
Great job! Love the Cleveland content! Wish I could find a motor built like this to buy. Its cool to learn new stuff from people like yourself and drag boss, specially the history of these engines.
Built my friend a cleveland, .030 over, 4 inch forged stroker crank, Mahle -5 flat tops, Lunati .700 lift solid rollers, Trick Flow Power Port Heads , .027 MLS head gaskets. Trick Flow intake. In a n old 66 Delta Airlines Ford truck. Its crazy fast.
They were and still are today screamers those lo drag rings & lightweight crank are the only newer tech parts love Cleveland's last year my pop & I picked up a couple boss cleav 4 bolt main blocks w/cranks we going to something with pop has a shop here in PHX funny story in the neighborhood I grew up in our old neighbor who was big street racer in the mid 80's had a nasty cleavland powerd 84 Camero berlinetta he was a crazy old dude Jim....he was a riot lol
I knew that I'd seen that engine before on Dragboss garage. He was quite impressed by your build Brent and he also mentioned your cam making 30 more horsepower than the other
I didn't realize the heads here were unported stock 4v clevelands. The wild thing is that torque curve near 450ft-lb 4750 to 7000 rpm and it may have started earlier than that.
I am more of a road racing kind of guy and for the street and track I like engines that are more like European engines, for example Ferraris engines. I don’t like huge overpowered massive torque engines. A great street and road racing engine should be very responsive all through the RPM range, quick revving and high revving to maybe about 8000 RPM. Most of the engine builders on UA-cam are not focused on this kind of combination. They seem to be more interested in a hot rod drag racing engines. Australian engine builders tend to build more of these kind of engines for street road racing style.
If u road race big torque and a wide power band is exactly what is used. High winding Ferrari engines are exactly the opposite of what is typically used in most road race combos.
Do you have video showing how the BHA lifter bore fixture is set up and performed? Also, is this particular lifter bore replacement bushing procedure more towards a machine shop that offers this service?
Thanks for taking my advice on how to get more hits on your UA-cam channel! You owe me some kickbacks! I’m just joking. A few weeks ago I suggested you do exactly what you’re doing now it seems to be a lot more interesting showing the building process, combination and then what it does on the dyno. Then modifying it slightly with different cams, heads or head or porting, intakes, etc and seeing the outcomes.
Used to run a Cleveland but cylinder cracking issues pushed me away, what is your opinion on the currently available (?) replacement blocks? Arrow, Meyer, Titus, ????
I need to fit under a shaker scoop on a Mach I. How much would a Blue Thunder repro of the B351 intake manifold and a non-Dominator carb have cost you? I am guessing it would move everything down the RPM band significantly.
I also have to take into consideration which intakes will fit under the factory Shaker assembly on my ‘70 Mach 1. I would think that any manifold with the same height of an original B351 intake would fit without interference from the closed hood. I have the Ford replacement rubber Shaker seal on mine. It’s soft enough to compress against the hood about an inch without damage when extra height is needed. The mild 351C currently in the car has an Edelbrock 4-V dual plane that fits fine with the Shaker but I wouldn’t recommend it for performance.
The non-adjustable standard Cleveland heads hydraulic valve train can be easily modified to be adjustable by machining .300” from the top of each rocker arm pedestal. The hole left after the push-in studs removal has to be tapped for the new studs. Then the required push rod guide plates and 7/16” ARP screw-in studs with adjustable lock nuts will allow a wide variety of solid/roller lifter cam designs to be used. Most experienced Cleveland builders already know this but I included more details for those that don’t 🏁.
@@matthewmoilanen787not garbage at all … a guy here in Washington state has a 57 Chevy with a 406 with AFR 195 OR 200 CC HEADS WITH A VICTOR JR INTAKE / HYDRAULIC ROLLER CAM ON PUMP GAS . TURBO 400 ..THE CAR IS NICE BUT NOT A RACE CAR AND RUNS 11:30S IN 1/4 MILE NOT A EXPENSIVE BUILD AT ALL … If details are paid attention to you can make good power …The Cleveland is a special engine and make great power indeed but doesn’t it have canted valve heads ..?? Its not a wedge head like most small block Chevrolets and a different animal altogether? Every manufacturer has a great engine so whats to hate..? 🏁🇺🇸
Nothing sounds sweeter than a Cleveland at full song!
Thank you Brent for another great video. Here in Australia we just love our 351 Clevelands, simply awesome engines and your work and knowledge is second to none, also a interesting rod/piston combination. I use 6.2 rods and did not know you could go longer. Much love and respect from Australia.
What a coincidence. I just mentioned Australian engine builders to Brent in my post To Brent. This is what I told Brent:
“I am more of a road racing kind of guy and for the street and track I like engines that are more like European engines, for example Ferraris engines.
I don’t like huge overpowered massive torque engines. A great street and road racing engine should be very responsive all through the RPM range, quick revving and high revving to maybe about 8000 RPM. Most of the engine builders on UA-cam are not focused on this kind of combination. They seem to be more interested in a hot rod drag racing engines.
Australian engine builders tend to build more of these kind of engines for street road racing style.”
Currently I own Ford escort Cosworth’s, and I had a sapphire Cosworth four-door group A car and an escort cosworth group A by Ford Motorsports in the UK.
Bob Glidden would have been proud!
impressive performance. in my years as a dyno operator the cleveland engines that came to me to fuss with never had that level of performance on pump fuel one 351 4v w/4.00 stroke destined for a 72 mustang made 430ish hp and 450ish tq. i didnt build them just broke in tested and tuned customers motors. why some folks do what they do without any knowledgable or logical reasoning never ceased to amaze me. the greatest asset to all those running a msd distributer in my experience was a 10-12 degree fbo bushing. to get base timing up in the 20-24deg range if big cam large intake and carb were in play. refrain from running stone cold non resistor -7 to -9 ngk plugs on your low compression grocery getter. resist the urge to feel compelled you need 7-8 lbs of fuel pressure on the old family car. carbon core plug wires regardless of color do not belong on anything. you dont need to run a high viscosity oil strong enough to shesr a distributer drive pin on the old work car. dont over fill the oil pan and 12.5 is way to fat for any warmed up pump gas motor to idle.
That's why Bob Glidden won all them championships lol
I for one enjoy the assembly videos. Awesome job on the 351C, by far my favorite engine.
Brent this is another video that you can be very proud of. You clearly had a goal in mind from the beginning and the components were selected by using your impressive experience and knowledge of Clevelands to achieve your goal with outstanding results !
Your Cleveland assembly videos are never too long in my opinion. But this shorter format covers the important details along the way and your narrative is a nice touch to explain and entertain.
Using the dyno pull numbers is the perfect finish 🏁.
I love anything with cleveland style heads, I had 2 Boss 302 back in the early 80's. One of them was really built and was an 8000 rpm screamer, too much fun!
I have a 65 Rambler American with a 70 4 barrel Cleveland, solid roller, 430 gears AOD TRANS. Scary fast!
Good running Cleveland!
Hellofajob Brent....
Great video Brent. Personally I prefer videos of about 15 minutes in length, simply because I can find 15 minutes to watch one in, but finding an hour isn't easy. Love the Cleveland stuff
Yeah the Cleveland is a great engine as far as Im concerned. Theres alot of myths and lore concerning this engine especially the 4v version. Witch alot of it isn't based on facts.
Luv Cleavlands great engines
Tim is the DUDE!!❤
Back in the 70's I went to the drag strip and seen a 340 Duster that the engine was destroked to 302 CI. That car run 9 something seconds at over 140 mph in the quarter mile. I couldn't believe it.
Great video. Would love to see some 385 series content from a ford guy!
You ever done or thought about doing a 351m build? I'd be very happy to compare yours vs my budget build 351m with forged pistons and roller valvetrain. Mine I had to bore .060 over. Runs nice and cool with a 195 tstat and better water pump. Has about 1500 miles on it so far in a 78 F250 2 wheel drive.
Wish I could afford you for my fe, always watching and learning
I didn’t know that was the engine going in that car, small world! Super cool. I check his stuff out time to time.
I had the same response haha!
Assembly videos are a valuable resource Brent.
I'd like to see you do a 289 someday
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Max streetable output that would still fit under the hood of an early Mustang, Cougar etc. would be nice.
Check out his playlist. He has done some with Tunnel Port heads too.
Great job! Love the Cleveland content! Wish I could find a motor built like this to buy. Its cool to learn new stuff from people like yourself and drag boss, specially the history of these engines.
Fantastic Engine - thanks for this recap and reminder 👍
Super impressive numbers, Brent! Your favs have also become some of mine.
Cool video 😎. Must have been a really good cam .
Thanks for the good video Brent!!! Happy New Year to you also!!
Brent nice set up I just wish someone would have ended up with such a nice engine except for( I pop wheelies Garage) LOL
Great video I find it very interesting, Thanks ✌🏻💯
Gotta love them Clevelands!!😎-Great video man!-Love seeing these,as well as build-up videos!
Built my friend a cleveland, .030 over, 4 inch forged stroker crank, Mahle -5 flat tops, Lunati
.700 lift solid rollers, Trick Flow Power Port Heads , .027 MLS head gaskets. Trick Flow intake. In a n old 66 Delta Airlines Ford truck. Its crazy fast.
Very nice! I was thinking the same thing about how it would be hard to make that kind of power from a SBC.
Always check clearances after break in and HAPPY NEW Year🎉!
They were and still are today screamers those lo drag rings & lightweight crank are the only newer tech parts love Cleveland's last year my pop & I picked up a couple boss cleav 4 bolt main blocks w/cranks we going to something with pop has a shop here in PHX funny story in the neighborhood I grew up in our old neighbor who was big street racer in the mid 80's had a nasty cleavland powerd 84 Camero berlinetta he was a crazy old dude Jim....he was a riot lol
Happy New Year Brant.
Great video.
I like Clevelands so you got me. Happy new year
Another great video! Can I surmise by the pics of your main bearings - that 3/4 or full groove mains are not needy? Thanks!
Thank you very much
It's amazing. rev to 8000.
I knew that I'd seen that engine before on Dragboss garage. He was quite impressed by your build Brent and he also mentioned your cam making 30 more horsepower than the other
How about a big cubic inch 385 series with Sr71 heads hydraulic roller engine on pump gas?
Long live the C!
Would love for you to build my 351C. Someday.
Can we Pullezze see a C boss block 427 13.25:1 ish aluminum head build? This video has wet my appetite
Love it!
All you videos are good not to many ford guys out there.
I didn't realize the heads here were unported stock 4v clevelands. The wild thing is that torque curve near 450ft-lb 4750 to 7000 rpm and it may have started earlier than that.
I am more of a road racing kind of guy and for the street and track I like engines that are more like European engines, for example Ferraris engines.
I don’t like huge overpowered massive torque engines. A great street and road racing engine should be very responsive all through the RPM range, quick revving and high revving to maybe about 8000 RPM. Most of the engine builders on UA-cam are not focused on this kind of combination. They seem to be more interested in a hot rod drag racing engines.
Australian engine builders tend to build more of these kind of engines for street road racing style.
If u road race big torque and a wide power band is exactly what is used. High winding Ferrari engines are exactly the opposite of what is typically used in most road race combos.
Nice!😮
Do you have video showing how the BHA lifter bore fixture is set up and performed? Also, is this particular lifter bore replacement bushing procedure more towards a machine shop that offers this service?
I love Clevelands! That’s impressive. That must have an awful lot of cam.
Not at all. Most guys use way too much cam.
@@lykinsmotorsports I understand if you would like to keep the cam specs to yourself, but if you’re willing to share, I’d love to see them.
Brent, if built today, how much would this mill cost?
Thanks for taking my advice on how to get more hits on your UA-cam channel! You owe me some kickbacks! I’m just joking.
A few weeks ago I suggested you do exactly what you’re doing now it seems to be a lot more interesting showing the building process, combination and then what it does on the dyno. Then modifying it slightly with different cams, heads or head or porting, intakes, etc and seeing the outcomes.
Hi mate, have you tried a 302 Cleveland? Made in aus from 1971
Used to run a Cleveland but cylinder cracking issues pushed me away, what is your opinion on the currently available (?) replacement blocks? Arrow, Meyer, Titus, ????
Did you do any sort of port matching between the heads and intake on this build?
Out of curiosity I would love to now the approx. lift, and duration at .050 of your custom cam.
I need to fit under a shaker scoop on a Mach I. How much would a Blue Thunder repro of the B351 intake manifold and a non-Dominator carb have cost you? I am guessing it would move everything down the RPM band significantly.
I also have to take into consideration which intakes will fit under the factory Shaker assembly on my ‘70 Mach 1. I would think that any manifold with the same height of an original B351 intake would fit without interference from the closed hood. I have the Ford replacement rubber Shaker seal on mine. It’s soft enough to compress against the hood about an inch without damage when extra height is needed. The mild 351C currently in the car has an Edelbrock 4-V dual plane that fits fine with the Shaker but I wouldn’t recommend it for performance.
What kind of flow / horsepower have you seen from ported cleveland heads?
Did you use longer valves if so how much longer and why?
what fuel u running on the pulls?
Brent, will this engine run well on the street with 93 octane/10% ethanol?
How much for a similar build?
Wasn't there a 1`958 FE 332ci police interceptor , that had sever wrist pin problems ????????? Anybody have history of it ??
Where are you located
How much do you cut down for the rocker arm studs.
The non-adjustable standard Cleveland heads hydraulic valve train can be easily modified to be adjustable by machining .300” from the top of each rocker arm pedestal. The hole left after the push-in studs removal has to be tapped for the new studs. Then the required push rod guide plates and 7/16” ARP screw-in studs with adjustable lock nuts will allow a wide variety of solid/roller lifter cam designs to be used.
Most experienced Cleveland builders already know this but I included more details for those that don’t 🏁.
How much duration at 50 thousands?
Can't give it away, but less than you would think. Under 260.
I believe you. The port shape, valve angle and location were 20 years ahead of their time.
If it was a Chevy, it would make serious hp! Good on the long rod...
Apparently u didn't listen to the Dyno numbers. Always a Chev boy toy to say something rediculous in a lame attempt to stir up garbage.
@@matthewmoilanen787not garbage at all … a guy here in Washington state has a 57 Chevy with a 406 with AFR 195 OR 200 CC HEADS WITH A VICTOR JR INTAKE / HYDRAULIC ROLLER CAM ON PUMP GAS . TURBO 400 ..THE CAR IS NICE BUT NOT A RACE CAR AND RUNS 11:30S IN 1/4 MILE NOT A EXPENSIVE BUILD AT ALL … If details are paid attention to you can make good power …The Cleveland is a special engine and make great power indeed but doesn’t it have canted valve heads ..?? Its not a wedge head like most small block Chevrolets and a different animal altogether? Every manufacturer has a great engine so whats to hate..? 🏁🇺🇸
Happy new year to you also, TRUMP 2024