Bought mine a couple weeks ago. Accuracy was spot on. I did however have a few failure to feeds during my first range session within the first 40 rounds or so, and then a couple more at around 100 rounds or so. About 5-6 total failure to feeds out of 170 rounds (the first hundred was range ammo and the last 70 were hollow points). I then took it home, cleaned it, and brought it back to the range the other day and put another 100 rounds through it and it ran flawlessly.
You have to clean and lube the pistol out of the box. If not you will have failures on the first range trip. Packing oil is not a sufficient lubricant. Too many new gun owners don't know this, and it's a fact that has been lost in the UA-cam-verse.
Got mine last month, and it seems they are adjusting the sights for this already, my rear sight came drifted from factory to the right and it’s spot on
This folks is why I wait at least a year before I buy a new gun that just came out on the market. I've watched several videos on this gun and most don't have an issue and only some do. But again I'll wait 6 more months until I purchase this gun, and when I do I'll call the gun store and make sure its a recently made gun from the factory and not a first batch thats been sitting on the shelf. Good luck with your new gun I hope u work out your sight issues. Thanks for the video.
The red dot is definitely a game changer with the reflex. I have a red dot on my reflex and I absolutely love it. It's now my favorite firearm when you consider how small and easily concealable it is
I have an FN Reflex and it shoots a tad low but in center of target. Once I got used to the trigger pull it shoots well as my Glock 43X and CZP10S. I have no issues or complaints at this time.
I was gonna get the reflex but the my local FFl talked me into a 509T… He said they had a lot of issues with the reflex. I liked the 509 tactical so much I went and purchased the 502T in .22 for my daughter.
Most attacks happen with 7 yards or less. If there is an attacker(s) with a knife, they can cover that distance within a few seconds. In a high tense adrenaline defensive situation, no one is going to be trying to get 1-inch or less groups. Should be more concerned about hitting the threat's center of mass & trying to stop the threat fast as possible. Rounds going through the same hole is not effective in stopping. I do not see anything wrong w/ the grouping FN had, unless you trying to win marksmanship competition. I would like to see his results against a shooting timer, how many rounds can you send in a few seconds? Goal is hit /stop the threat no hitting innocent bystanders in the process.
Great explanation Steve, I picked up my Reflex soon after shooting the range new issue Reflex. I liked the grip, and the trigger pull. I’m not a Glock fan (carried one for 15 years as a NYPD with a 13 lb trigger pull, hated it, didn’t feel good and felt cheap (I’m old school with a Colt detective special 38 as a back-up), so I stayed away from polymer firearms. But the reflex just felt right, light weight, with a light trigger pull…compared to my edc Kimber micro-9, I’m not a bullseye shooter, just concern that I’m hitting body mass at 10-15 yds, any further I’m gonna hide…let the treat find me, not the other way around…the FN Reflex is a great shooter…
Have two…one FDE, one black. Irons shoot slightly low, left with carry ammo, Speer 124gr GD, standard pressure. Not enough to be a deal breaker out to 15 yds. Mounted Vortex Defender cc RDS on both. Solid zeros on both, tight groups as long as I do my part. Kept all but one shot in the black on a B8 at 25 yds, standing after zeroing from the bench. Zero FTFs FTEs or reliability issues. I’ll carry these pistols with 100% confidence.
My Reflex shoots to point of aim with or without a red dot. I did notice that my buddy who's hands are quite a bit larger than mine does have a low left shot group. After he adjusted point of aim it was spot on
I have had two FN Reflex pistols that both shot almost exactly like the groups you obtained before installing the red dot. Both were very accurate but shot low and left. I am trying to decide between trading mine or putting a red dot on one. Are the newer Reflex pistols shooting point of aim? Thanks
Thanks for making these videos, this is what we should be doing as a community, helping each other and companies make better products, Folks out there, don’t be fanboys and get married to a brand. ALL companies can have quality issues, this is a great pistol but clearly there was a quality escape with a large batch of guns. Seems to be a combination of rear and front sight issues. I am a bit disappointed that FN did not come clean with a fix, but if it’s a sight issue just do the math of having to replace so many sights with a recall. That’s why they are staying tight lipped.
I was nervous about buying one after all of the low left reviews but I'm happy to report using combat hold mine is spot on POA vs POI. My very first shot at 7yards was dead center bullseye.
Are you also using the combat hold? I cant remember if in previous videos you said whether or not you were. The left issue is one thing but low could be using the center hold - just my two cents. My reflex is also low left but seemed to be more centered when I gripped with my support hand harder. The rear sight on mine also isn't perfectly centered. Wondering about getting them centered. Some people have no issues hitting center but would be nice to see somebody do an up close comparison between one that seems to shoot spot on vs one that is not. What the hell is different between the two. Nobody does a close up detail comparison between sights.
I've been wanting a "micro 9" for years. Was in a gun shop yesterday and bought the fn reflex. Got delayed like always so have to wait a few days to get it. Anyway, I as usual do my research after buying something. After hearing all the same complaints about this model I'm a bit anxious to get it and hoping it has no problems. If it does I'm definitely gonna take it back or exchange it if possible. Cant believe FN would put out a product that has so many people complaining. Did they rush it out or something?!
Watched a video on this issue, They replaced the rear sight with sig sauer #8 used on p365. Also stated springfield hellcat #8 will work.. Picked my reflex up 1/25/24 straight to the range. I fired 50 rounds all dropped low and left. Going to try the #8 sight, hope it works. What I understood is the front and rear sight don't match..
I’m just going to say that the majority of gun owners cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Low and left is a characteristic of poor control for a right handed shooter. Ive seen a ton of vids for this pistol and no one else has mentioned accuracy issues.
@@donrating4822I’m going to screen shot this and save it for when I get mine back from FN! Thank you. My pistol was having issues going into battery I’d have to smack the back of the slide every few rounds at times and the front sight doesn’t really glow at all you can barely see it. The very tiny rear dots on my other two firearms with night sights glow 10x brighter than the front on the reflex. But since it looks like I’ll be experimenting with new sights it won’t matter as much.
Just bought a Shield RMSc. That doesn't fix failure to feeds though. (Edit 8 months later: I have at least 1000 rds through mine now. It shoots very well. If the feed ramp is dirty, some defensive ammo may have trouble feeding, but a limp wrist negates a good cleaning. It's a shame this micro 9 doesn't get more love.)
I bought this gun in November 2023. The sights were great out of the box however the gun would consistently misfire and not go into battery (500 round test). I sent it back to FN and when I received the gun back (they replaced the upper) the sights are completely off. Iron sights now shoot 4” low 3” left bench rested 150 round test with another 3 failure to go into battery. I have messaged FN about the sights. My intention with purchase of the rmr was to get a holosun so I am not as concerned with sights but the failure to feed is concerning.
The misfire was due to 115 grain ammo being used. FN suggests 124 grain. The firearm would consistently not go into battery after firing a round which was one of the reasons for being sent back. The other reason was due to damage of the rmr sight threads on the upper slide. The stock sights on the firearm are now way off as described. A mute point as I have a holosun 407 red dot on the firearm. I like the carry size and capacity of the firearm. @@gearbarrel6237
Had a similar issue with my Hellcat. Sent it to Springfield, and they couldn’t duplicate. Ended up taking apart the magazines and resetting the springs. Haven’t had an issue since.
Have you tried to shot a different reflex? Is it just that pistol? If so are your shot groups in the same area on the target...just trying to understand..could be many things
Low left is shooter not gun. If you are sneezing grip with dominemt hand you will drag your sights down. Left is due to center pad of finger not centered on trigger shoe
My gun came with the sights correct but it’s one of the ones that had the FTF issue. And, not just a little, it jammed just under 10 percent of the time after 400 shots. FN has been sending these guns back saying they shoot fine. People will get them back and have them jam in the first mag. I decided to file the ramp as many have done with it and it runs well now on anything over 124gr. Needless to say, this is my last FN. I am not a fan of the Ostrich reply’s. I had always heard their CS was solid, but, how they’ve managed this gun’s issues… especially when most of us would be understanding in the sense that it’s pretty much a first and only of its kind. But no, they’ve ignored us. So, that’s pretty much made me ignore them going forward. Thanks for the in depth video and follow ups to the follow ups. 👍
I"ve seen lots of videos like this but I've not really heard anyone mention what sight picture they're using. Unless I missed it. Are you using "combat hold" here? front sight covering target?
Combat Sight Picture (which is also sometimes called a 3 Dot Hold or Combat Hold), It is when the center dot on your front sight completely covers the bullseye of your target. This is the only way that I can personally shoot
I hate when a gun manufacturer stamps a big logo on the slide. “REFLEX” Kinda like when some puts a giant CHEVY or FORD decal covering the whole rear window. They want everyone to know the obvious. Tacky as hell.
I think sig p365 trigger is better than the Reflex trigger.. The 365 is the AR15 of the handgun world, so versatile and customizable... Sig customer service has been excellent 👍
They have my pistol right now. Shoots low left as well but also has a ton of issues with failure to go into battery. I’d have to smack the back of the slide to get her going again. Also my front sight is the most dim night sight i own out of all of my firearms I sent them photos you can barely see the dot. The mini rear dots on my other firearms are 10x brighter than the front on the FN. did you notice your dot was really dim? Also shoulda got the optics cut… I didn’t want a sight on a tiny conceal but it might be necessary with these shooting low left. Hell if it’s a real issue I’ll sell it but I really like the firearm and want it to work out.
This is really a mystery. On another channel, the shooter was making shots on a small steel plate out to 70 yards, with the stock sights. All distances were hit on the first or second shot. Doesn't FN or someone make different height iron sites for the Reflex?
I’m pissed, I bought one the other day the bow was open and I never got my FN stickers, I like my stickers some folks don’t but I do, it kinda sucked the box was opened but they said they do that when someone buys a gun they check it before it leaves
I picked mine up last Saturday so a week. Cleaned and oiled out of the box Sunday and shot 100rds Winchester 115grain target ammo and maybe 4-5 federal HST 124 grain Monday of last week. First few times I tried feeding rounds just to try racking, they failed, after the 7-9th FTF, it magically started working fine. I had stopped trying to control the slide and being gentle with it. 100ish rounds didn’t fail to feed once. I can’t speak to the aim because I’m a very green shooter and my technique is horrible. I was shooting low left but that’s probably more my trigger control than anything else. Had it send it in Tuesday though, the fire control pin holding the bottom of the hammer assembly to the frame started working its way out after 90ish rounds. They received and signed for it Thursday morning. Website still says awaiting delivery. Overall, I love the ergonomics and trigger, but as a first time pistol buyer, I gotta say I’m pretty disappointed in QC of this gun and the time it’s taking them to address the issue.
My buddy got his last friday 5/17/24 from PSA and shipped to a local FFL and we put ab 200 rnds thru it and it failed to feed just once which is understandable its a nee gun needs to break in and what not but it shoots way to low left its insane how bad it is.
Mine i can't even get more than 3 or 4 shots before it stovepipes a round. It's going back to FN. I tried 3 different types of ammo and about 400 rounds, not one full mag has made it through cleanly yet. If they send it back saying there's no issues with a couple targets im going to have to film my own video and call BS on them. I hope they fix it.
Low left here too. Put in a bore laser and its exactly where my sights aim, not sure whats up. Maybe its grip, but i shot side by side with my hk, which was dead accurate.
I had to move my left sight to the right and forget about the dots. Front sight level with rear sight and works for me. Thinking about blacking out the dots. Terrible thing to do to this pistol!
Every review I’ve seen on this pistol has had low left irons. Seems there is an issue that the company is not recognizing. Or, as they said, they consider it “in-spec” which I find extremely disappointing. Maybe they have an issue with their testing process but they need to figure it out. I train out to 25 yards consistently with my carry pistols and if I have to shoot back-up irons I don’t want to miss the target by a foot or more.
At least yours goes bang. Mine has had several light primer strikes and failures to go into battery. I wouldn’t trust my life to this gun. Reached out to FN about it and they said to use only 124gr ammo. Not sure how the bullet grain weight is causing light primer strikes. 🤔 Sticking with p365 for now.
I saw from you video it shoots excellent groups in the center. You want to get it up fix your arms and push the gun out toward the target more when you squeeze the trigger.
Just to clarify, during the tabletop review portion you said FN used a “combat hold” twice, but then repeatedly said it was in a vice after that. Which did the factory use?
"Combat Hold" refers to the sight picture. Regardless of you're shooting off hand or have the firearm in a vice or sled, the "hold" refers to the placement of the aligned sights in relation to the intended POI. A"combat hold" simply means that the dot on the front sight, once aligned with the dots on the rear sight, is placed directly over the intended POI. This is different than a "center hold" where the front and rear sight are aligned, and then top of the front sight, basically is covering half of the intended POI. The there's a "six o'clock hold" or "lollipop" where the aligned sights are placed directly under the intended POI. This has been an issue with Sig shooters who prefer a center hold while Sig uses a *combat hold." Because dots are usually about halfway on the front sight, if you aim using a "center hold" (which a lot of shooters prefer) then yes, you would expect to group low. It's like using a Glock from three or less.yards. if you use a standard sight picture, you'll hit low. If you place the back plate over your intended POI you'll hit it. Or shooting an AR inside 20yards. If you place your front sight on top of your rear aperture, it compensates for your bore offset, at the reduced distance. Simply pitz aiming with the top of the front sight, when they intend for you to aim with the dot in the middle of the sight, will result in low groups, regardless of shooting off hand or in a vise or sled. The folks dealing with this issue, seem to know enough about firearms, they should know the difference between sight picture holds, when FN says to use a "combat hold," but seeing this comment, makes we wonder, if there's a misunderstanding. In one video, however, someone having this issue, does accurately define, combat hold, so I assume others knew, or at least googled it.
@@AikiRonin21 I was wondering if he was aligning sights low on the target since i couldn't notice any muzzle drop as he squeezed off rounds. Once he installed a red dot, he was right on. A laser mounted on the light rail would answer any operator induced error questions.
Have a Sig 365x with Holosun 507k and a Walther PDP Compact with Holosun SCS and FN Reflex with 507k. I would say the PDP is the best gun for me. It's a nail driver. The others are very good. The trigger in the PDP is so smooth and predictable.
hey, noticed your narrative audio is only in my left ear. if you mono your mic audio, your voice will be displayed perfectly in the center of the stereo field! thanks for sharing your content, much love!
I commented on your original video that I was very happy with mine, but I never shot it w/o a dot. I have co witnessesing sights and after I commented I looked at the relationship between the dot and the irons, and my dot sits just off the top of the left side of the front sight, meaning my sight alignment is also off from my point of impact. However, with the dot, it is phenomenal for a micro compact.
Just bought one didn't pick it up yet.Was told I can exchange it. But I saw lots of videos saying it's great and lots like you say. But got two fixes one get #8 rear sight, two get red dot. Love the package, Already bought the 15 magazine and $115 IWB holster. In for a penny in for a pound
The guns accurate by your groupings, but you can see in this video that your pistol is pointed low. Combat hold is covering the target with front sight not aligning the dots.
I would like to know this as well! I was wondering, if the low left, issue was specific to the MRD model. Like, is it possible, the MRD which is intended to run with a red dot, is hitting low left, when there's no red dot on it? Like the absence of the added weight of a red dot, changes the slide speed or amount of muzzle rise (being the red dot is near the back of the slide)? Is the plate that covers the space for the red dot metal, or plastic? If it's plastic, maybe it's lighter than the non milled slide of the non MRD models? I'll have to go back to watch all the videos I've seen where people are dealing with the low left issue, but I think at least two or three, maybe have all been MRDs without a red dot installed. Of course, once a red dot is installed, the zeroing of the red dot itself, would seem to solve the issue, regardless of weight. Does the red dot co-witness with the irons? I guess, this wouldn't explain FN getting the results they did, with the same pistol, presumably without installing a red dot, unless they installed a red dot or weight to test it, presuming a red dot would mounted, but why would they do that?
I just picked one up the other day haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but absolutely will not chamber a round or extract until I modified the extractor the sharp piece on the bottom was rounded and polished and the feed ramp was polished and now it seems to chamber much better I like the gun but also like modifying and fixing weapons obviously this isn't something everyone's willing to do The gun does obviously have teething issues like the sig 365 did The problem is will FN stand by the reflex and stop blaming everything on user error
I have used a laser cartridge with a new semiauto to sort out the point of impact with the variables of: grip, sights, hold point and trigger stroke. The laser cartridge in the chamber has been an inexpensive and forgiving way to reconcile the point of aim and point of impact at ten yards. European manufacturers tend to sight in at twenty five yards with 124 grain NATO Ammuntion. At seven yards and 115 grain we may have to use a 12 o’clock hold to avoid “shooting low”.
I get your point here, however if I can have a gun that points straight vs one thats over to the side, I’ll take the one that goes where I point it. This is an inch off at 21ft! In a bad situation thats a bullet that doesn’t do what you need it to. Theres not enough drift in that dovetail to fix this. This isn’t a High Point. It’s expensive and should work as advertised.
At least yours fired. Mine didn’t fire brand new out of the show case. Dealer sent it to FN for repair who say they fixed it and sent it back. Very disappointing and clearly not a safe defense firearm.
I’m not sure what the jazz is about putting a red dot on a micro 9 that’s supposed to be CC? Regardless it’s disappointing that the irons weren’t better out of the box.
I agree - adding a light/laser/red dot seems completely pointless on a small CC pistol. I cannot fathom why this is a trend other than some guys just ‘have to pimp it out’?
I was supposed to pick up an fn reflex this saturday.i told the gun deaLer i will be picking something different something that does not have issues thanks for the video.
Traded a Taurus GX4 XL in because it was unreliable. FTFs even after 2 trips back to Taurus. Now, I spend lots of doe for an FN and it shoots low left at 7 yards and after the first shooting session of 237 rds I experienced at least a 100 FTFs! WTF!
Staccato got my order to me a month late and they sent me 3 extra mags on top of the 3 mags the gun comes with for my troubles. Some companies just take better care of their customers than others.
I have the first gen 365 iron sights only. Shoots lights out at 7 yards. My six xmacro shoots low left tight group. Not not happy with irons on the xmacro I had to put a dot on it to hit true. I run 124 nato ammo in all of my 9mm for training. I’m considering getting the fn reflex. My fn 509c shoots true with irons. When buying a gun now I always make sure I can put a red dot on I’m not a fan of having a gun that doesn’t shoot accurate.
Its not gun. Its the shooter. Shooting low is caused by applying too much trigger pull. If trigger breaks at 5.5lbs only apply 5.6lbs of pressure. If you are applying 8lbs which many novices do, your sights will get pulled down. Left is caused by finger pad not centered and its off to the righ pushing gun left I suggest you invest in getting professional pistol instruction. Small pistols are harder to shoot accuratly.
@@kwinzman it is the shooter trust me. 99% of reflex owners are newbies. A heavy trigger that has creep and stacks will pull sights down. Every reflex sent to FN shipped back to owner with target.
@@kwinzman I have not but nit needed. Every pistol sent to FN wad sent back. Put the pistol in a ramsen rest it won't be shooting low left. It doesn't matter micro pistols are very prone to being difficult to shoot. You cant.have it both ways. Experienced shooters only carry compact guns.
Mine jammed almost every round, looked on Reddit seems to be pretty common, fn said I need to shoot 250 rounds before it's "broken in". 250 rounds later it's still doing it waiting on them to come back from the holidays to see how they handle it…
I have the hellcat sig P365 smith shield plus and the reflex . The hellcat is hard to be accurate with.2 most accurate the sig and the reflex I’m not using a optic
I’m so disappointed. I really felt that the reflex has every feature that I would want from the rest of the micro 9’s and it’s disappointing not only that this does not appear to be an isolated issue, but even more disappointing that FN is not making good with their loyal customers. Sorry that you’re having to resort only to a red dot platform. I hope at least that setup would make you feel better about your gun. Best.
You gotta know what your talking about fella. Your holding the top of front sight on bulls eye. They sight it in for combat hold sight picture. Cover the bulls eye with the front dot. "Combat hold" the gun is accurate tou just aint using it right
Man that freakin SUCKS!!! A_S…SORRY you wasted your money.. Glad I didn’t make the purchase,kinda reminds me of the hellcat..you shouldn’t have to add an optic to make up for accuracy. I’m looking forward to the new HK SFP9CC coming soon 🔜.. The Canik MC9 shoots great without an optic 👍🏾
Appreciate all the work you did to share with us viewers ,enthusiasts 👍
Thanks brother! Forever Onwards
Some owners suspect the pinky extension is causing the low left issue... it'll get worked out.
Bought mine a couple weeks ago. Accuracy was spot on. I did however have a few failure to feeds during my first range session within the first 40 rounds or so, and then a couple more at around 100 rounds or so. About 5-6 total failure to feeds out of 170 rounds (the first hundred was range ammo and the last 70 were hollow points). I then took it home, cleaned it, and brought it back to the range the other day and put another 100 rounds through it and it ran flawlessly.
I’m glad brother
You have to clean and lube the pistol out of the box. If not you will have failures on the first range trip. Packing oil is not a sufficient lubricant. Too many new gun owners don't know this, and it's a fact that has been lost in the UA-cam-verse.
Got mine last month, and it seems they are adjusting the sights for this already, my rear sight came drifted from factory to the right and it’s spot on
This folks is why I wait at least a year before I buy a new gun that just came out on the market. I've watched several videos on this gun and most don't have an issue and only some do. But again I'll wait 6 more months until I purchase this gun, and when I do I'll call the gun store and make sure its a recently made gun from the factory and not a first batch thats been sitting on the shelf. Good luck with your new gun I hope u work out your sight issues. Thanks for the video.
I got mine last April and it wasn't hard to figure out, don't over think it like these people
I appreciate your feedback but I never purchase a new production gun for atleast after a year in production. Thank you though.@@nicklandrum1820
Doing the same. I want this gun.
The red dot is definitely a game changer with the reflex. I have a red dot on my reflex and I absolutely love it. It's now my favorite firearm when you consider how small and easily concealable it is
I have an FN Reflex and it shoots a tad low but in center of target. Once I got used to the trigger pull it shoots well as my Glock 43X and CZP10S. I have no issues or complaints at this time.
I was gonna get the reflex but the my local FFl talked me into a 509T… He said they had a lot of issues with the reflex. I liked the 509 tactical so much I went and purchased the 502T in .22 for my daughter.
Most attacks happen with 7 yards or less. If there is an attacker(s) with a knife, they can cover that distance within a few seconds. In a high tense adrenaline defensive situation, no one is going to be trying to get 1-inch or less groups. Should be more concerned about hitting the threat's center of mass & trying to stop the threat fast as possible. Rounds going through the same hole is not effective in stopping. I do not see anything wrong w/ the grouping FN had, unless you trying to win marksmanship competition. I would like to see his results against a shooting timer, how many rounds can you send in a few seconds? Goal is hit /stop the threat no hitting innocent bystanders in the process.
Great explanation Steve, I picked up my Reflex soon after shooting the range new issue Reflex. I liked the grip, and the trigger pull. I’m not a Glock fan (carried one for 15 years as a NYPD with a 13 lb trigger pull, hated it, didn’t feel good and felt cheap (I’m old school with a Colt detective special 38 as a back-up), so I stayed away from polymer firearms. But the reflex just felt right, light weight, with a light trigger pull…compared to my edc Kimber micro-9, I’m not a bullseye shooter, just concern that I’m hitting body mass at 10-15 yds, any further I’m gonna hide…let the treat find me, not the other way around…the FN Reflex is a great shooter…
Have two…one FDE, one black. Irons shoot slightly low, left with carry ammo, Speer 124gr GD, standard pressure. Not enough to be a deal breaker out to 15 yds. Mounted Vortex Defender cc RDS on both. Solid zeros on both, tight groups as long as I do my part. Kept all but one shot in the black on a B8 at 25 yds, standing after zeroing from the bench. Zero FTFs FTEs or reliability issues. I’ll carry these pistols with 100% confidence.
My Reflex shoots to point of aim with or without a red dot. I did notice that my buddy who's hands are quite a bit larger than mine does have a low left shot group. After he adjusted point of aim it was spot on
Can someone please answer me
Is this a compact or no
I have had two FN Reflex pistols that both shot almost exactly like the groups you obtained before installing the red dot. Both were very accurate but shot low and left. I am trying to decide between trading mine or putting a red dot on one. Are the newer Reflex pistols shooting point of aim? Thanks
Thanks for making these videos, this is what we should be doing as a community, helping each other and companies make better products, Folks out there, don’t be fanboys and get married to a brand. ALL companies can have quality issues, this is a great pistol but clearly there was a quality escape with a large batch of guns. Seems to be a combination of rear and front sight issues. I am a bit disappointed that FN did not come clean with a fix, but if it’s a sight issue just do the math of having to replace so many sights with a recall. That’s why they are staying tight lipped.
Wondering why you didn't try replicate FN's test firing (ammo and bench aimpoint)?
Thought the same thing. It basically made this entire video moot point! I mean it didn’t have much merit to begin with!!
Sight aims weren't really discussed, in a vice or not. Combat Hold and Center Hold are different. Any links to show what aim 'Holds' are being used?
I was nervous about buying one after all of the low left reviews but I'm happy to report using combat hold mine is spot on POA vs POI. My very first shot at 7yards was dead center bullseye.
I’m glad Mike. Somehow someway you got the good one brother!
Probably cuz that's where they sight in at
Are you also using the combat hold? I cant remember if in previous videos you said whether or not you were. The left issue is one thing but low could be using the center hold - just my two cents.
My reflex is also low left but seemed to be more centered when I gripped with my support hand harder. The rear sight on mine also isn't perfectly centered. Wondering about getting them centered. Some people have no issues hitting center but would be nice to see somebody do an up close comparison between one that seems to shoot spot on vs one that is not. What the hell is different between the two. Nobody does a close up detail comparison between sights.
I've been wanting a "micro 9" for years. Was in a gun shop yesterday and bought the fn reflex. Got delayed like always so have to wait a few days to get it. Anyway, I as usual do my research after buying something. After hearing all the same complaints about this model I'm a bit anxious to get it and hoping it has no problems. If it does I'm definitely gonna take it back or exchange it if possible. Cant believe FN would put out a product that has so many people complaining.
Did they rush it out or something?!
Watched a video on this issue, They replaced the rear sight with sig sauer #8 used on p365. Also stated springfield hellcat #8 will work..
Picked my reflex up 1/25/24 straight to the range. I fired 50 rounds all dropped low and left.
Going to try the #8 sight, hope it works.
What I understood is the front and rear sight don't match..
have you tried it yet?
I’m just going to say that the majority of gun owners cannot shoot a pistol accurately. Low and left is a characteristic of poor control for a right handed shooter. Ive seen a ton of vids for this pistol and no one else has mentioned accuracy issues.
Did it work for you if you tried it yet?
@nickshowsstuff435 yes I changed the rear sight, At 7 yards, I can place shots on or near a 2 inch circle.
@@donrating4822I’m going to screen shot this and save it for when I get mine back from FN! Thank you. My pistol was having issues going into battery I’d have to smack the back of the slide every few rounds at times and the front sight doesn’t really glow at all you can barely see it. The very tiny rear dots on my other two firearms with night sights glow 10x brighter than the front on the reflex. But since it looks like I’ll be experimenting with new sights it won’t matter as much.
Just bought a Shield RMSc. That doesn't fix failure to feeds though. (Edit 8 months later: I have at least 1000 rds through mine now. It shoots very well. If the feed ramp is dirty, some defensive ammo may have trouble feeding, but a limp wrist negates a good cleaning. It's a shame this micro 9 doesn't get more love.)
Great reviews! Thank you!
I bought this gun in November 2023. The sights were great out of the box however the gun would consistently misfire and not go into battery (500 round test). I sent it back to FN and when I received the gun back (they replaced the upper) the sights are completely off. Iron sights now shoot 4” low 3” left bench rested 150 round test with another 3 failure to go into battery. I have messaged FN about the sights. My intention with purchase of the rmr was to get a holosun so I am not as concerned with sights but the failure to feed is concerning.
Misfired?? Can you elaborate? Thanks
The misfire was due to 115 grain ammo being used. FN suggests 124 grain. The firearm would
consistently not go into battery after firing a round which was one of the reasons for being sent back. The other reason was due to damage of the rmr sight threads on the upper slide. The stock sights on the firearm are now way off as described. A mute point as I have a holosun 407 red dot on the firearm. I like the carry size and capacity of the firearm. @@gearbarrel6237
Same situation I’m in
Had a similar issue with my Hellcat. Sent it to Springfield, and they couldn’t duplicate. Ended up taking apart the magazines and resetting the springs. Haven’t had an issue since.
Have you tried to shot a different reflex? Is it just that pistol? If so are your shot groups in the same area on the target...just trying to understand..could be many things
Mine is low left also. Are there a set of adjustable sites that will fit this gun?
Low left is shooter not gun. If you are sneezing grip with dominemt hand you will drag your sights down. Left is due to center pad of finger not centered on trigger shoe
@jackomalley3687 Well it was in a vice @10 yards and shot low left with 124 grain .
Seen a post where they replaced the rear sight with sig sauer p365 sig sauer #8 sight, also stated springfield hellcat sight #8 would work..
@@donrating4822 Thanks will try that.
I'm Glad it finally worked out.."FN REFLEX"🤙💥🤙
My gun came with the sights correct but it’s one of the ones that had the FTF issue. And, not just a little, it jammed just under 10 percent of the time after 400 shots. FN has been sending these guns back saying they shoot fine. People will get them back and have them jam in the first mag.
I decided to file the ramp as many have done with it and it runs well now on anything over 124gr.
Needless to say, this is my last FN. I am not a fan of the Ostrich reply’s. I had always heard their CS was solid, but, how they’ve managed this gun’s issues… especially when most of us would be understanding in the sense that it’s pretty much a first and only of its kind. But no, they’ve ignored us. So, that’s pretty much made me ignore them going forward.
Thanks for the in depth video and follow ups to the follow ups. 👍
I"ve seen lots of videos like this but I've not really heard anyone mention what sight picture they're using. Unless I missed it. Are you using "combat hold" here? front sight covering target?
Combat Sight Picture (which is also sometimes called a 3 Dot Hold or Combat Hold), It is when the center dot on your front sight completely covers the bullseye of your target.
This is the only way that I can personally shoot
I hate when a gun manufacturer stamps a big logo on the slide. “REFLEX” Kinda like when some puts a giant CHEVY or FORD decal covering the whole rear window. They want everyone to know the obvious. Tacky as hell.
Here’s my question… if it’s low left - what’s a dot matter? How is it different?
I think sig p365 trigger is better than the Reflex trigger.. The 365 is the AR15 of the handgun world, so versatile and customizable...
Sig customer service has been excellent 👍
They have my pistol right now. Shoots low left as well but also has a ton of issues with failure to go into battery. I’d have to smack the back of the slide to get her going again. Also my front sight is the most dim night sight i own out of all of my firearms I sent them photos you can barely see the dot. The mini rear dots on my other firearms are 10x brighter than the front on the FN. did you notice your dot was really dim? Also shoulda got the optics cut… I didn’t want a sight on a tiny conceal but it might be necessary with these shooting low left. Hell if it’s a real issue I’ll sell it but I really like the firearm and want it to work out.
All you've proven is that the irons are sighted in at 7 yards and that the dot is sighted
Probly just the way you lining up the irons
Why did you not shoot with out the light off with the iron sights maybe the light made you shoot low
This is really a mystery. On another channel, the shooter was making shots on a small steel plate out to 70 yards, with the stock sights. All distances were hit on the first or second shot. Doesn't FN or someone make different height iron sites for the Reflex?
I’m pissed, I bought one the other day the bow was open and I never got my FN stickers, I like my stickers some folks don’t but I do, it kinda sucked the box was opened but they said they do that when someone buys a gun they check it before it leaves
I have a reflex no issue at all
Same. No issue whatsoever.
Wonder when they’ll fix this. Was gunna pick one up but I might go with the hellcat
Hellcat is one of the most snappy shooting mc 9mm pistols going. Keep that in mind.
You know what man…. Try to put a set of different sights on it.
Which concealed carry gun meets your approval?
I picked mine up last Saturday so a week. Cleaned and oiled out of the box Sunday and shot 100rds Winchester 115grain target ammo and maybe 4-5 federal HST 124 grain Monday of last week. First few times I tried feeding rounds just to try racking, they failed, after the 7-9th FTF, it magically started working fine. I had stopped trying to control the slide and being gentle with it. 100ish rounds didn’t fail to feed once. I can’t speak to the aim because I’m a very green shooter and my technique is horrible. I was shooting low left but that’s probably more my trigger control than anything else. Had it send it in Tuesday though, the fire control pin holding the bottom of the hammer assembly to the frame started working its way out after 90ish rounds. They received and signed for it Thursday morning. Website still says awaiting delivery. Overall, I love the ergonomics and trigger, but as a first time pistol buyer, I gotta say I’m pretty disappointed in QC of this gun and the time it’s taking them to address the issue.
the red dot shows the pistol is within 2" at 7yards, not great but usable, probably tighten up more with more time on trigger. No issue with the gun.
That’s what FN calls accuracy? At 21 ft on a vice the groups are still an inch off center.
Yeah. Great point, Matt! I wish we knew… on this one
It’s hilarious how many people are whining over an inch 😂 Yall don’t know how to drift sights?
My buddy got his last friday 5/17/24 from PSA and shipped to a local FFL and we put ab 200 rnds thru it and it failed to feed just once which is understandable its a nee gun needs to break in and what not but it shoots way to low left its insane how bad it is.
Mine i can't even get more than 3 or 4 shots before it stovepipes a round. It's going back to FN. I tried 3 different types of ammo and about 400 rounds, not one full mag has made it through cleanly yet. If they send it back saying there's no issues with a couple targets im going to have to film my own video and call BS on them. I hope they fix it.
It’s the extractor it’s too tight. Did they fix it?
I just sent mine back yesterday for the same reason. What were your results from FN?
@Ghostsiouxtech they fixed it. Chambers flawlessly. No failures since. They said the extractor was out of spec so they replaced it.
Low left here too. Put in a bore laser and its exactly where my sights aim, not sure whats up. Maybe its grip, but i shot side by side with my hk, which was dead accurate.
Skill issue
I had to move my left sight to the right and forget about the dots. Front sight level with rear sight and works for me. Thinking about blacking out the dots. Terrible thing to do to this pistol!
Every review I’ve seen on this pistol has had low left irons. Seems there is an issue that the company is not recognizing. Or, as they said, they consider it “in-spec” which I find extremely disappointing. Maybe they have an issue with their testing process but they need to figure it out. I train out to 25 yards consistently with my carry pistols and if I have to shoot back-up irons I don’t want to miss the target by a foot or more.
At least yours goes bang. Mine has had several light primer strikes and failures to go into battery. I wouldn’t trust my life to this gun. Reached out to FN about it and they said to use only 124gr ammo. Not sure how the bullet grain weight is causing light primer strikes. 🤔
Sticking with p365 for now.
Is rear sight to high to compensate for rmr ? Is rmr co witnessing with rmr ?
Oops co witnessing with rear sight !
I got one non optic seems to be accurate and feeds fine
I saw from you video it shoots excellent groups in the center. You want to get it up fix your arms and push the gun out toward the target more when you squeeze the trigger.
I about purchased one of these until i saw all the problems unfold in my investigation...picked up a FDE hellcat
Just to clarify, during the tabletop review portion you said FN used a “combat hold” twice, but then repeatedly said it was in a vice after that. Which did the factory use?
Exactly! Thanks for asking Tony. They said they used a vice.
@@Guns_and_Outdoors_Channel using a vice, those are weird groups. If it really was a combat hold, those groups would have been acceptable.
@@PapistCrusader- Totally agree with you. Yep. Those groupings should be almost identical but they aren’t.
"Combat Hold" refers to the sight picture. Regardless of you're shooting off hand or have the firearm in a vice or sled, the "hold" refers to the placement of the aligned sights in relation to the intended POI. A"combat hold" simply means that the dot on the front sight, once aligned with the dots on the rear sight, is placed directly over the intended POI.
This is different than a "center hold" where the front and rear sight are aligned, and then top of the front sight, basically is covering half of the intended POI.
The there's a "six o'clock hold" or "lollipop" where the aligned sights are placed directly under the intended POI.
This has been an issue with Sig shooters who prefer a center hold while Sig uses a *combat hold." Because dots are usually about halfway on the front sight, if you aim using a "center hold" (which a lot of shooters prefer) then yes, you would expect to group low.
It's like using a Glock from three or less.yards. if you use a standard sight picture, you'll hit low. If you place the back plate over your intended POI you'll hit it. Or shooting an AR inside 20yards. If you place your front sight on top of your rear aperture, it compensates for your bore offset, at the reduced distance.
Simply pitz aiming with the top of the front sight, when they intend for you to aim with the dot in the middle of the sight, will result in low groups, regardless of shooting off hand or in a vise or sled.
The folks dealing with this issue, seem to know enough about firearms, they should know the difference between sight picture holds, when FN says to use a "combat hold," but seeing this comment, makes we wonder, if there's a misunderstanding. In one video, however, someone having this issue, does accurately define, combat hold, so I assume others knew, or at least googled it.
@@AikiRonin21 I was wondering if he was aligning sights low on the target since i couldn't notice any muzzle drop as he squeezed off rounds. Once he installed a red dot, he was right on. A laser mounted on the light rail would answer any operator induced error questions.
Have a Sig 365x with Holosun 507k and a Walther PDP Compact with Holosun SCS and FN Reflex with 507k. I would say the PDP is the best gun for me. It's a nail driver. The others are very good. The trigger in the PDP is so smooth and predictable.
hey, noticed your narrative audio is only in my left ear. if you mono your mic audio, your voice will be displayed perfectly in the center of the stereo field! thanks for sharing your content, much love!
I commented on your original video that I was very happy with mine, but I never shot it w/o a dot. I have co witnessesing sights and after I commented I looked at the relationship between the dot and the irons, and my dot sits just off the top of the left side of the front sight, meaning my sight alignment is also off from my point of impact. However, with the dot, it is phenomenal for a micro compact.
Just bought one didn't pick it up yet.Was told I can exchange it. But I saw lots of videos saying it's great and lots like you say. But got two fixes one get #8 rear sight, two get red dot. Love the package, Already bought the 15 magazine and $115 IWB holster. In for a penny in for a pound
The low left problem right. Hr funk said that gun would not be a good carry gun because it was shooting low left.
I saw his video he did a good job on it. I think he sold his
The guns accurate by your groupings, but you can see in this video that your pistol is pointed low. Combat hold is covering the target with front sight not aligning the dots.
Wish I waited for the MRD version for the option to put a dot on it 😢
That’s ok MYH! Any issues with yours that you can tell? How’s your pistol doing?
I would like to know this as well! I was wondering, if the low left, issue was specific to the MRD model. Like, is it possible, the MRD which is intended to run with a red dot, is hitting low left, when there's no red dot on it? Like the absence of the added weight of a red dot, changes the slide speed or amount of muzzle rise (being the red dot is near the back of the slide)? Is the plate that covers the space for the red dot metal, or plastic? If it's plastic, maybe it's lighter than the non milled slide of the non MRD models?
I'll have to go back to watch all the videos I've seen where people are dealing with the low left issue, but I think at least two or three, maybe have all been MRDs without a red dot installed. Of course, once a red dot is installed, the zeroing of the red dot itself, would seem to solve the issue, regardless of weight.
Does the red dot co-witness with the irons?
I guess, this wouldn't explain FN getting the results they did, with the same pistol, presumably without installing a red dot, unless they installed a red dot or weight to test it, presuming a red dot would mounted, but why would they do that?
Tilt the pistol about 1/8 inch to right looking through the sites & see if it improves.
I just picked one up the other day haven't had a chance to shoot it yet but absolutely will not chamber a round or extract until I modified the extractor the sharp piece on the bottom was rounded and polished and the feed ramp was polished and now it seems to chamber much better I like the gun but also like modifying and fixing weapons obviously this isn't something everyone's willing to do The gun does obviously have teething issues like the sig 365 did The problem is will FN stand by the reflex and stop blaming everything on user error
Definitely looks like what you would get if you’re not doing a combat hold
I have used a laser cartridge with a new semiauto to sort out the point of impact with the variables of: grip, sights, hold point and trigger stroke. The laser cartridge in the chamber has been an inexpensive and forgiving way to reconcile the point of aim and point of impact at ten yards. European manufacturers tend to sight in at twenty five yards with 124 grain NATO Ammuntion. At seven yards and 115 grain we may have to use a 12 o’clock hold to avoid “shooting low”.
Nice results after red dot 🎉
It’s on now for sure. 👍 Now the iron sights 🤔
Its not the gun is your support hand
They never told me what happened when I sent my 510 back. Not a word
What happened with your 510? Thanks
I get your point here, however if I can have a gun that points straight vs one thats over to the side, I’ll take the one that goes where I point it. This is an inch off at 21ft! In a bad situation thats a bullet that doesn’t do what you need it to. Theres not enough drift in that dovetail to fix this. This isn’t a High Point. It’s expensive and should work as advertised.
At least yours fired. Mine didn’t fire brand new out of the show case. Dealer sent it to FN for repair who say they fixed it and sent it back. Very disappointing and clearly not a safe defense firearm.
I’m not sure what the jazz is about putting a red dot on a micro 9 that’s supposed to be CC?
Regardless it’s disappointing that the irons weren’t better out of the box.
I agree - adding a light/laser/red dot seems completely pointless on a small CC pistol. I cannot fathom why this is a trend other than some guys just ‘have to pimp it out’?
I had a Raven 25 auto that shot better groups from the bench than that factory target (which was also probably shot from the bench) at 7 yards.
seems a lot of reviews i watch of reflex guys are shooting low left. getting mine in a few days hopefully its accurate lol.
Good luck mate
Mines shoots low left but with a red dot its dead on
I was supposed to pick up an fn reflex this saturday.i told the gun deaLer i will be picking something different something that does not have issues thanks for the video.
Good call. Stay away from the canik mc9 also.
Traded a Taurus GX4 XL in because it was unreliable. FTFs even after 2 trips back to Taurus. Now, I spend lots of doe for an FN and it shoots low left at 7 yards and after the first shooting session of 237 rds I experienced at least a 100 FTFs! WTF!
I have seen multiple bad reviews concerning accuracy. Otherwise the pistol is great but past 7 yards it's apparently useless.
Staccato got my order to me a month late and they sent me 3 extra mags on top of the 3 mags the gun comes with for my troubles. Some companies just take better care of their customers than others.
I have the first gen 365 iron sights only. Shoots lights out at 7 yards.
My six xmacro shoots low left tight group. Not not happy with irons on the xmacro I had to put a dot on it to hit true. I run 124 nato ammo in all of my 9mm for training.
I’m considering getting the fn reflex.
My fn 509c shoots true with irons. When buying a gun now I always make sure I can put a red dot on I’m not a fan of having a gun that doesn’t shoot accurate.
Ever considered user error
Its not gun. Its the shooter. Shooting low is caused by applying too much trigger pull. If trigger breaks at 5.5lbs only apply 5.6lbs of pressure. If you are applying 8lbs which many novices do, your sights will get pulled down. Left is caused by finger pad not centered and its off to the righ pushing gun left
I suggest you invest in getting professional pistol instruction. Small pistols are harder to shoot accuratly.
Watch the previous video - this is part 2 - where they explain why it's not the shooter.
@@kwinzman it is the shooter trust me. 99% of reflex owners are newbies. A heavy trigger that has creep and stacks will pull sights down. Every reflex sent to FN shipped back to owner with target.
@@jackomalley3687 I hear you. Did you watch the previous video or not?
@@kwinzman I have not but nit needed. Every pistol sent to FN wad sent back. Put the pistol in a ramsen rest it won't be shooting low left. It doesn't matter micro pistols are very prone to being difficult to shoot. You cant.have it both ways. Experienced shooters only carry compact guns.
Facts.
So, in order for my $600.00 pistol to shoot good at a 21 feet I have to put a $300.00 red dot on it?
Mine jammed almost every round, looked on Reddit seems to be pretty common, fn said I need to shoot 250 rounds before it's "broken in".
250 rounds later it's still doing it waiting on them to come back from the holidays to see how they handle it…
You need to work on your grip technique
Idk man my pinky was out…
@@mich5167the reflex chassis is very tight. YOU need about 250 rounds of 124fmj to break in. FN sucks however would never buy a pistol from them.
@@mich5167glocks are so much more reliable and the walther PDP is by far the best striker fired and just as reliable as glocks
There was something wrong with it fn claimed it was fine but now it runs flawlessly
I have the hellcat sig P365 smith shield plus and the reflex . The hellcat is hard to be accurate with.2 most accurate the sig and the reflex I’m not using a optic
I have 4 fn reflex 2 black 2 fde never one issue . Best micro 9mm available
I’m glad brother. I ended up selling mine.
Mine was 1ft off low left at 25yds, which is why its a "was"
I have a 407k on my reflex. Still no difference. Pretty dissatisfied
Moral of the story: just put a red dot on it
Inch pounds, not foot pounds.
Yep. That slipped through my edit. “Inch pounds 100%. Thanks Mike 🤙
I’m so disappointed. I really felt that the reflex has every feature that I would want from the rest of the micro 9’s and it’s disappointing not only that this does not appear to be an isolated issue, but even more disappointing that FN is not making good with their loyal customers. Sorry that you’re having to resort only to a red dot platform. I hope at least that setup would make you feel better about your gun. Best.
Everyone who shoots knows that low left is a skill issue and that it’s common with microcompacts
Common with short barrel pistols at close range
If those are my groups from rest at 7 yards and the manufacturer swears the sights are right on, I get rid of it.
You gotta know what your talking about fella. Your holding the top of front sight on bulls eye. They sight it in for combat hold sight picture. Cover the bulls eye with the front dot. "Combat hold" the gun is accurate tou just aint using it right
You blame the gun, after watching you shoot, now I know it's not the gun. Just sayin'
Explain that please
The light is making it inaccurate
Man that freakin SUCKS!!! A_S…SORRY you wasted your money..
Glad I didn’t make the purchase,kinda reminds me of the hellcat..you shouldn’t have to add an optic to make up for accuracy.
I’m looking forward to the new HK SFP9CC coming soon 🔜.. The Canik MC9 shoots great without an optic 👍🏾
Back site is the wrong one
Not 14.5 foot pounds🔥 inch pounds is what you need
I have a same issue and same situation. FN avoiding the issue… is my first gun and it is so annoing! I don’t know what to do