Lateral raises with the pinky up, like Sal did, actually causes shoulder impingement in most people. Thumbs up causes external rotation and is much safer for shoulder joints then the traditional pinky up method. Have a nice day.
There are two things i know about you already, one you dont have experience in body building, and two you watch athleanx like a rookie or listen to people who watch him. IF you only do lateral raises with external rotation thumbs up, you WILL be getting bicep tendinitis or bursitis by overworking your front delts, its about a 75% front/ 25% side delt movement, and activates the traps more. THIS movement is actually utilizing gravity to tuck that rotator cuff deeper into its socket and bicep tendon to slide towards the scapula/ back into its slot, isolating the mid delt. Should feel like your armpits are flexing.
@@slinky828 You are correct that I am not a body builder. I am an older guy that lifts to stay fit and maintain a good physique. However I don’t watch Athleenx, I think he’s sorta douchey to be honest. Not sure if your trying to slam me with that comment but I don’t give two fucks either way bro. The reason I commented on the pinky up method is because my shoulders are wrecked from years of abuse in the oilfield. I don’t do a lot of shoulder exercises because of this, and I’m still working on rehabbing my shoulders. When I have done lateral raises however I cannot do them the way Sal does - it is very painful but I can do them with thumbs up. That was the main basis for my comment. Have a good one
This is true. HOWEVER, loading potential for this movement (due to mechanical inefficiency) is extremely low. Also, lateral delts are slow twitch dominant (or at least mine are) and require a lot of TUT, so loading will be even more compromised. You can also reduce the impingement by stopping shy of 90°, or doing partial variations lying on your side on an incline bench to target second half of ROM, and standing partials with heavier DBs to target the first half of ROM. I've been training for nearly 30 years, have pretty decent lateral delt development, and I've never gone heavier than 20 lb DBs. I've also never had shoulder impingement issues (though flat bench press has given me more than my share of wear and tear). At one point I saw the scap plane raise that you describe so I tried them out, and I got such minimal lateral delt recruitment that it just felt like a waste of time. If you're not a bodybuilder, then doing lateral raises at all is completely unnecessary. It's the ultimate vanity exercise, right up there with calf raises IMO. It has zero carryover to any athletic or human performance endeavor, unless you're concerned with how well you fill out a t shirt.
With the side/lateral dumbell exercise, I prefer to not come down all the way so I maintain tension on the muscle before the next rep. Something I've learned to do that helps me. Lighter weight does help with proper form. Swinging a weight is wasted motion. I try to hold for a second at the top and bottom before the next part of the rep. Fortunately for me, this form has prevented any shoulder injuries since I started using it. Good video and info.
I find better isolation and connection with lateral raises being seated. Enjoy your podcast, just found mind pump tv & subbed. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sal.
Unfortunately I'm not able anymore to do lateral raises with dumbells due to a tennis elbow. Also cables are to heavy for the elbows. Elastic bands can do less harm but I'm a fan of the shoulder raise machine
I wish all shoulder exercise were as easy as overhead press. Lateral raises are a bitch to do and it drives me crazy how small of a weight I need to use
As always, it is one thing to think you are on the right path, but another to get confirmation from an expert. Especially with all of your details as to why you recommend what you do. Thank you.
You guys should do a video review on how other people tell kids to delt raises for mid delt work. Seriously, i had some pretty bad muscle imbalances from listening to the thumbs up external rotation lateral raises, never thought it was the issue that caused my tendonitis, bursitis, and complete failure of my right chest to activate properly……… Until someone told me it was ok to pour the pitchers a little, exactly like this form you showed. 10x better for my shoulder health, and bicep health.
Hi Sal ! Thank youl & Mind Pump for this Video...Good God! its so Helpful... The part where you describe the order in which these exercises should be done is the coolest.... Nobody does that... Let me tell you guys .Your Content is not fitness information... It's Fitness Education.... Say Hey Adam , Justin and Dough !
how can you "end up" with impingement. impingement is the point of restricted motion depending on the individuals shoulder mechanics that are always there in which you need to work around.
Jeff would NEVER advocate this guy's side lateral raises. As a matter of fact, this guy "sal" is going to get himself, and his clients to an ortho surgeon down the road
@@therealwewin awwww, we have a fanboy of Sal. How long have you two been dating? Who's the qb and who's the receiver between you two? Asking for a friend because they're concerned he might have also given bad advice on your form when in bed with him LOL.
Side laterals really is the only exercise you need to do . Any shoulder press will in time damage your rotator cuffs . Also your shoulder muscles work as one or not at all . You cant really isolate them ????
Lateral raises with the pinky up, like Sal did, actually causes shoulder impingement in most people. Thumbs up causes external rotation and is much safer for shoulder joints then the traditional pinky up method. Have a nice day.
Correct 👍🏼
There are two things i know about you already, one you dont have experience in body building, and two you watch athleanx like a rookie or listen to people who watch him. IF you only do lateral raises with external rotation thumbs up, you WILL be getting bicep tendinitis or bursitis by overworking your front delts, its about a 75% front/ 25% side delt movement, and activates the traps more. THIS movement is actually utilizing gravity to tuck that rotator cuff deeper into its socket and bicep tendon to slide towards the scapula/ back into its slot, isolating the mid delt. Should feel like your armpits are flexing.
@@slinky828 You are correct that I am not a body builder. I am an older guy that lifts to stay fit and maintain a good physique. However I don’t watch Athleenx, I think he’s sorta douchey to be honest. Not sure if your trying to slam me with that comment but I don’t give two fucks either way bro. The reason I commented on the pinky up method is because my shoulders are wrecked from years of abuse in the oilfield. I don’t do a lot of shoulder exercises because of this, and I’m still working on rehabbing my shoulders. When I have done lateral raises however I cannot do them the way Sal does - it is very painful but I can do them with thumbs up. That was the main basis for my comment. Have a good one
Lol. I willing to bet Arnold can’t even pour his own beer now a days from all those old school ways of lifting. 😂
This is true. HOWEVER, loading potential for this movement (due to mechanical inefficiency) is extremely low. Also, lateral delts are slow twitch dominant (or at least mine are) and require a lot of TUT, so loading will be even more compromised. You can also reduce the impingement by stopping shy of 90°, or doing partial variations lying on your side on an incline bench to target second half of ROM, and standing partials with heavier DBs to target the first half of ROM.
I've been training for nearly 30 years, have pretty decent lateral delt development, and I've never gone heavier than 20 lb DBs. I've also never had shoulder impingement issues (though flat bench press has given me more than my share of wear and tear). At one point I saw the scap plane raise that you describe so I tried them out, and I got such minimal lateral delt recruitment that it just felt like a waste of time.
If you're not a bodybuilder, then doing lateral raises at all is completely unnecessary. It's the ultimate vanity exercise, right up there with calf raises IMO. It has zero carryover to any athletic or human performance endeavor, unless you're concerned with how well you fill out a t shirt.
Thank you for this video!
Thank you sir!
Woww i was doing the rear lateral like a row. Thanks for this tip.
I click on like button before I even watch this guys videos..that’s how much credibility he has and how much I trust his stuff
With the side/lateral dumbell exercise, I prefer to not come down all the way so I maintain tension on the muscle before the next rep. Something I've learned to do that helps me. Lighter weight does help with proper form. Swinging a weight is wasted motion. I try to hold for a second at the top and bottom before the next part of the rep. Fortunately for me, this form has prevented any shoulder injuries since I started using it. Good video and info.
1 lateral raises
2 Arnold dumbell press
3 reverse dumbell fly
Great video Sal, thank you. always appreciate the knowledge.
Nice Sal 👍 All good movements!
Thanks
Wich is best? Reverse dumbbell flyes or facepulls, for rear delts?
Fantastic lesson!! Just what I needed. Thank you so much!!
I loved doing the Arnold press
I find better isolation and connection with lateral raises being seated. Enjoy your podcast, just found mind pump tv & subbed. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sal.
Same, I can brace better and maintain correct posture, which is incredibly important for maintaining tension in this movement.
Awesome info and insights!!! Thanks.
Thank you for the details of the three shoulder moves! Clear and concise, as always I appreciate the refresher. -Kellie
Great video
Thank you brother for the tips, and taking the time to explain it.
Love these guys, excellent stuff brother, thank you, God bless.
This channel and podcast has such amazing information ❤
Happy to help!
I like those Arnold presses with kettlebells & in the kneeling position. My strength coach had me do them and I love them.
Unfortunately I'm not able anymore to do lateral raises with dumbells due to a tennis elbow. Also cables are to heavy for the elbows. Elastic bands can do less harm but I'm a fan of the shoulder raise machine
I wish all shoulder exercise were as easy as overhead press. Lateral raises are a bitch to do and it drives me crazy how small of a weight I need to use
As always, it is one thing to think you are on the right path, but another to get confirmation from an expert. Especially with all of your details as to why you recommend what you do. Thank you.
Hey great video, with this work perfect for people with osteoarthritis?
Thank you some think I'm going to start doing👊🏼
If u were gonna do all of these together, how many sets would u do of each?
You guys should do a video review on how other people tell kids to delt raises for mid delt work. Seriously, i had some pretty bad muscle imbalances from listening to the thumbs up external rotation lateral raises, never thought it was the issue that caused my tendonitis, bursitis, and complete failure of my right chest to activate properly……… Until someone told me it was ok to pour the pitchers a little, exactly like this form you showed. 10x better for my shoulder health, and bicep health.
Thanks much.
Thanks a lot
Thank you for the videos. How about a video on your body when you have arthritis? Personally, arthritis in both shoulders.
I can't do lateral Raise due to shoulder impingement, will pressing be enough?
Hi Sal ! Thank youl & Mind Pump for this Video...Good God! its so Helpful... The part where you describe the order in which these exercises should be done is the coolest.... Nobody does that... Let me tell you guys .Your Content is not fitness information... It's Fitness Education.... Say Hey Adam , Justin and Dough !
Can u plsase write down a workout routine for me plz
🔥🔥🔥 lovely
Great way to end up with shoulder impingement...
how can you "end up" with impingement. impingement is the point of restricted motion depending on the individuals shoulder mechanics that are always there in which you need to work around.
Sir how much pound is your weight?
Thanks Dad
That version of lateral raise causes more impingement
"Round square"......classic, I'm constantly contradicting myself, accidently of course, in front of clients. Verbal hurdles
It happens!
funny how he looks big while sitting on a podcast 😁
“”Good round,square look””??? Lol
Does sal wear shorts?
Good round square look, huh....😂😂😂
Sal is my favorite fake natty.
Can't stand Arnold
athlean x exercies.
Jeff would NEVER advocate this guy's side lateral raises. As a matter of fact, this guy "sal" is going to get himself, and his clients to an ortho surgeon down the road
@@phil463 how athlean x viewers are killing your gains!
@@therealwewin awwww, we have a fanboy of Sal. How long have you two been dating? Who's the qb and who's the receiver between you two? Asking for a friend because they're concerned he might have also given bad advice on your form when in bed with him LOL.
Side laterals really is the only exercise you need to do . Any shoulder press will in time damage your rotator cuffs . Also your shoulder muscles work as one or not at all . You cant really isolate them ????
Nope. If someone says turn your pinky up for lateral raises they need to...not thumb up. Save your shoulders.
Im a cool persoon