Looks like a very solid set- and unlike 40k you don't need to worry about your monopose models being locked out of wargear options and such. The spearhead component makes this by far the most 'game-in-a-box' starter in a long time.
Well, technically, although the universal conclusion has been that the Skaven SH in the box is just very very bad on its own merits, and is utterly unplayable against the Stormcast one in the same box.
@@ralfsstuff Both spearheads in here don't use all of the models in the box. Stormcast only get 4 different units while skaven have 6 + one type able to respawn as reinforcements. Stormcast have always been pretty elite troops with weighty heroes worth quite a few points in the starter boxes, Dominion shipped with around 1k of orruks and 1400 of stormcast.
Honestly as a starter set for 40k I like the Ultimate starter box over Leviathan due to the inclusion of 2 playable combat patrols gameboard and some terrain. It is a better starter than Leviathan. I think it compares more to this box.
The reason Skaventide beats out Leviathan, for me (as a Tyranids main) as the better Launch box, is that Skaventide has everything you need to play a game out of the box. Adding the Spearhead book, cards, gameboard and terrain are huge upgrades (even if not in monetary value), in sheer gameplay worth. It's a clever and great ploy by GW too, as Fire & Jade is essentially a catalogue for all their other Spearhead box products that they've included in the box for free so you can peruse new Spearheads then go out and buy more 😂
Just as a note eventhough the skaven half is push fit, almost every kit (bar the heroes) has options. Most of the clan rats have 2 options (the champion has 3 different heads), all of the rat ogors have head options, the jezzails can be mix and matched with their shield rat , and the gun ogor has an optional sword arm.
As someone who loves Orks but hates the push fit Ork Boyz I expected to automatically hate push fit Skaven. But with how the figures are posed and how we get options they have won me over to the idea that push fit can be good.
@channelsofash yeah you'll still want to snip the peg and glue the join for the best fit, but these look like the best designed push fits yet. Also it has nice QoL features like the mount for the clawlord being separate from the rider. Just ignore the stormcast half that is...not as well designed.
Agreed. I really hated the bland look of Stormcast Eternals from launch through 3.0, but I'm really thinking of starting a SCE army with this boxset. I primarily play Skaven, Khorne, StD, SLBG and Cos so these will ally nicely with my CoS army.
I think part of the excitement factor is how does the new edition box set compare to the last edition box set. 40K went from cool Necrons vs space marines to cool Nids vs space marines. Age of Sigmar went from reinvent the green skins with a whole new faction to the newest edition giving fans Skaven the way they already love them. Then toss in how much the Stormcast look has advanced between editions.
@@ralfsstuff They're doing the same thing as they did with 40K, index rules will be released soon for free on the website and they have the roadmap set for the first 4 codices
So let me tell you a sad, heartbreaking, depressing story. I’ve already paid for my Skaventide box and two days ago my local B&M called me and told me that my box was there and that I could come pick it up. I thought it was kinda strange, but I wasn’t going to complain and thought that maybe they released some of them early. Got home that evening, tore open the box, looked at everything inside, and started to work on the minis. It was late so I called it a night fairly quickly. The next day I got an email from my local store. Yeah, that wasn’t my Skaventide box - it was the demo box that GW sent them; the new girl just made a mistake. Since they can’t get another one they asked if I would be willing to bring it back, and I said that I would. The good thing is that they’re giving me a free Adepta Sororitas 10e Codex for my troubles, and a free $60 Codex for one of my armies is nothing to sneeze at. But tomorrow morning I’ll be taking the Skaventide box back to them, and then I have to wait fourteen long, miserable days until I get my actual Skaventide box. My heart. It hurts.
I've started AoS around 1,5 years ago. Friends where getting into it and i was on the fence and said jomingly that i will Start if the New dwarfs get their Codex. 3 months later i was regretting that joke (at first, because it meant buying a new army and burying my student wallet) Overall it has been really great and a fresh breath of Air. Especially the lack of overpowering shooting meant that you can tactially move around the board way better instead of hugging ruin walls or get blown to bits from across the board. And castung and stuff is happening at the Start of the turn, so you are more likely to see units move in formation. Some things are not too great if you come from 40k. But overall once i got used to it, it didnt bother me anymore. (Having possible double turns and most aura type things being 'unit WHOLLY within x" ' and stuff like that.) I really like it so far and even started to pick up stormcast in time for the launch box)
3e AoS was some of the best GW wargaming I've done in like a decade. Diving into the lore was surprisingly good too, particularly after being turned off by initial impressions of 1.0. 4e looking good so far
Hey AT, I think the main reason why so many people like the Skaventide box over the Leviathan is that some of the models in Leviathan weren't general purpose, banger units. The Infernus Marines were good, but not everybody liked them, used them, or even worse, liked to use them, and the Sternguard vets are great, but it didn't sit well in every list. When it comes with a lot of horde on the Tyranid side, the Tyranids were just Termagaunts which, we get it, they're good, but every Tyranid player already has hundreds of them, and Neurogaunts, i.e. the worst horde unit in the game. Nobody is complaining, this is still great value!... But I have yet to see a Tyranid player at my store WILLINGLY used Neurogaunts unless they were trying to run a meme 200+ infantry model list. Whereas in the Skaventide box set... They're all really good models in any box! Liberators are fine, everybody has some, you can add a few, but because Stormcast Eternals aren't a spammy horde army, most people get 1 or 2 boxes of Libs, and so a 2nd or 3rd box is fine. Reclusians look like Bladeguard so people are HYPED, Prosecutors are stunning, and all the characters are fantastic! On the Skaven side, there is a very big disclaimer here: Most stores stopped stocking Skaven entirely 2 years ago. Very few people have been buying them because we HAVE been expecting a re-release, so nobody has been buying them, so not everybody already has 1,000 clan rats like how Tyranids have 1,000 Termagaunts. No Skaven army has enough Warplock Jezzails, rat rat ogres are big and very nice in any army, big shiny new warp-warp thing is beautiful and not just another Screaming Bell which compliments it's start collecting like *chefs kiss*, and the characters are solid! After comparing the miniatures, Leviathan gets you more value per $, but for many Skaven player (and many many many potential Skaven players who've been waiting for new Skaven models but have none except maybe a Doomwheel or two), even though the value is slightly lower in the models, each model will fit into almost any and every army. On top of that, Skaventide is releasing with many pre-order bonuses, terrain, AND the Spearhead book. So even though the value is slightly lower, the value we as the players get, is actually higher. In short, if we assign values to the boxes, I think Leviathan (if you use every bit of the box set) gives you a potential 1,000 value points (these are made up), and Skaventide gets you 945 value points. However, in the Leviathan box set, most people probably only used about 85% of the contents, and some will entirely ignore portions of the box set so as low as 70% (but we'll go for 85%), so you only get 850/1,000 value points of useable stuff, whereas the Skaventide box set, it'll be rare not to use at least 95% of the contents so ~900 (897.75) value points. ~900 > 850, hence Skaventide wins, and because this just happened post price increases, this is fantastic pricing.
@@spaznorcrest It's for this reason, I actually encouraged scalping, and I just picked out 2x Ballistus and Biologis for about $90 USD (even if they are scalped, you still get tremendous value buying them separately) I already have a dozen lieutenants, I cared not for the Infernus or Sternguard. If you didn't already have a 2k point list for Astartes, or if you barely could hit 2k, buying the SM half was huge in terms of value and expanding your lineup, but... If you're like me and already own over 10k points of SM, it was great value in terms of new models, but I had no reason to run any of them, so just got the models I wanted, and left.
Very true, I just played an RTT yesterday with my Nidz and the only units from Leviathan in my list were the 3 Von Ryan's and the Neurotyrant. None of the other models have ever been played. I pre-ordered the AoS box yesterday while at the RTT and my son and I will likely just play using the box contents and treat it as a stand alone game (we have never played AoS).
I just counted the point amounts for the skaventide using the new download gw made and it was a little over 1,3k points for storm cast and skaven have a little under 1,3k points (only about 50 point difference so it's a really awesome box overall
I’m excited. The models look great. My passion is in the building and painting, I got a good deal on the Dominion boxset and the Stormcast are fun to paint.
I wasn't that fussed but did like the look of the Skaven. Tbh from my local shop I get like 25% off so for £120 might just flog the stormcast half for £60 or something.
Ordered mine and my usual site I order from openly lists their stock, they had 280 boxes remaining after three hours of being live, so doubt supply is an issue. Though I cant help but think the lord terminos would make a SICK conversion for a master of executions. Also the new rat ogors would work well as drukhari grotuesques.
Quick question. If one was basing this on the new novel, since both sides are trying to capture lost Stormcast brother (whoever he is), how come is there a Freeguild Marshal that can be exactly built as the one on the cover? Just an interesting thing I noticed.
Im debating if i want to split the Skaventide box with my friend or just get the Stormcast models from miniswap, just not sure what a fair price would be to pay if i go for option 2. By the looks of which faction has more interest in it, i dont think itll be hard to find people offloading the stormcast models
it is absurd how no UA-cam channels have more dedicated videos of AoS and the ones that do have almost no proper edits of unit visuals, anyways this video is most welcomed
I got the SkavenTide box, but not the Leviathan. I am a chaos player and more Space Marines and Tyranids didn't interest me. I have always wanted to collect Skaven but didn't like the old sculpts. I love the concept of the rat men and was thinking of adding some rats to my Plague Marines for some kitbashing fun. Getting both core rules and the basically Combat Patrol rules books helped. You can nearly build 2 of the Spearhead armies just from the box alone, and if you had the Dominion box as well you can get 2 more. Just missing a chariot from the second stormcast for 1 of the spearheads. The two possible armies for Skaven you would still need 1 more Grey Seer, 1 box of Stormfiends and a Warp Lightning Cannon to run both.
I've seen multiple, and in every one, the Skaven player forgets to recycle their destroyed clanrats units, which then makes the game swing heavily against them. Though it may be done intentionally for the opening campaign, as GW probably don't want the Skaven to successfully capture the key port town, which they will do in lore if they win the campaign.
A lot of those seemed to not be playing the skaven as a finesse army and forgetting to regen the clan rats. However once you get to full skaventide with gnawholes the skaven side probably attritions the sce pretty easily.
*remembers the issue with the Leviathan box on how it turned out the SM half had more points then the Nid half, leading to the bugs getting likewise ROFL stomped* Ah, so naturally despite being different game systems, things don't change, lol
@@tastiGMmaster2099for the nids the difference to make it balanced was 1 unit of termagants or the spacemarines leave one of their 4 characters at home? Something like that if my memory isnt clouded
I personally really like this box-set. Terrain in a starter Box is always a bit iffy for me because GW seems to only go all in for War Cry (probably to jack up the Price, but also IMO the right way to do terrain in a starter box) but with how Skaventide is priced, I would’ve like to see more on that front (but I just really like Terrain either DIY or bought so I’m kinda biased) My main Pain point comes with the 40 Clan Rats. I’ll preface this by saying I don’t play Skaven and am not planning to start them BUT.., I feel like, if I’m getting into AOS with a buddy and it’s our first War Gaming experience I don’t want to the same-ish model 40 times. I totally get that all Skaven players probably have use for 40 Clanrats (I know a bunch of Skaven players that have more than that) but for a beginner I would’ve liked more variety. Personally I think 20 of the Clanrats should’ve been exchanged for 10 Stormvermins + a Gnawhole (or just 20 Stormvermins) Even for older Skaven players having more variety to get a taste for more new models seems kinda neat (I mean if you already have 60 old Clanrats do you REALLY need 40 of the new ones?)
Thank you for the analysis on aos, auspex. However regarding the price of the minis. Instead of pricing them induvidualy you should have priced them as 2x spearheads + extra minis for each factions imo, less impressive discount that way. Thank anyway for all the good work ! 👍
Sorry im new to this. However, i watched some battle report and i noticed that they are not using all of the units included on the box. Can someone explain to me why?
I'm getting the Skaven half for about 115 USD. I don't usually like buying this stuff as a preorder on Ebay, but I don't particularly have a use for the Stormcast
@@gammothdraws I'm buying the box for everything. I thought about trading the SCE half for another skaven half, but I'm actually debating starting a SCE army with this box set since the new models look SO much better than the old bland ones
Bought it yesterday on element games at 20+% discount and it listed as 10+ boxes left. It seems that one is either unpopular or they made more of it, because Leviathan was sold out immediately. 😮
Not a fan of chaos, so im probably gonna sit this one out lol. Hopefully the 5th edition starter box will have a death faction like the vampires or OBR. Just gotta hope the boxes don't end up being $300+ by then lol.
I'd buy it... if the price wasn't so bloody high. Where I live (Poland) GW presented us not with one but two price hikes almost in a row, so Leviathan costed ~550pln (with discount from local game store) and this box will be ~650pln - and I still remember Indomitus costing 450pln. You can't convince me nearly 45% price increase for a big starter box over less than five years is okay in any way, shape or form.
Around $920 individually... Me: OK, well I'll just toss that info into a fire as it means nothing in my eyes (a million dollar car can go 50% off, it's still way to much). However, 74 minis+4 terrain pieces at $265 comes to about $3-$4 per mini before %15 discounts come into play, then the added bonus of the 2 books, cards, board, an rulers..... Yeah, even through my model per $$ eyes this box seems to be a good deal. If it were different armies (not big into Skaven or Stormcast personally) "4 years ago me" would have been all over this.
Can’t wait to get the contents for pennies with a magazine in 3-4 years time. Also Auspex, it’s an English game, why are you listing the prices in Dollars with a fat export tax built in?
I don't want skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another army to finish, I don't want skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another army to finish, I don't wan't skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another ar....
I did an (internship?) (not sure of the word but whatever) in a miniature store and I had to build every Stormcast. They were all easy to build and it was so annoying ! I'm not really into AoS so I don't know if they already exist and you already know this but the Reclusian have a problem in their instructions : they say that you have to assemble one part of the cape before the chestplate etc.... DON'T! If you do that it'll be super hard to stick the front part and you may have a big gap on the right shoulder.
It's so funny to still see Dominion boxes everywhere. My local game store still has a couple in stock. I tell them I'll give them a hundred US for one every time I go in there and they won't budge. I have a feeling they will sell it to me the next time with the release of the new box.
Leviathan was fine but it had very limited war gear options, no real new game mode, tired model concepts, and just less stuff points wise. If you split skaven tide with a friend the two of you are almost already set for a full aos army... Vs how many primaris marines do you need for a 2k 40k army now?
I foolishly bought leviathan for my kid and I to work on; figure it would have everything needed to play (it’s been a few decades for me); and I was distracted to say the least
I've lost all confidence in AOS after they retired all the golden guys in the last 2 boxes I bought. It was the sets with the golden guys and the night haunt. Never again, GW .
Eh. Honestly the main problem with AoS at the moment is stormcast being such a shoved to the front face despite their reception continuing to be lukewarm, nobody cares about them that much. That and the majority of new minis are just monopose. This is what Warhammer fantasy got pushed to the back of the room for. It's an insult to the customers and a big divide between Fantasy and AoS players. If you're like me you've had zero interest in AoS for years but that's all that remained to be, and now that Fantasy is back tons of people don't have square-based minis anymore.
I don't love the mounted Skaven character. The Skaven have never used mounts that much. I feel like it would have made more sense to put it on a palanquin or steampunk machine. There are clan moulder mutants, but they seem to mostly be used by the clan itself
It's interesting comparing this box to, say, the Dominion box from AoS 3rd ed. Here, the army opposing the Stormcast are Skaven, a fan-favorite faction for many Warhammer Fantasy fans (via things like Mordheim, Vermintide, and the Gotrek & Felix books). Many people have been waiting for Skaven to get a refresh for decades. (Or a re-refresh, since they kind of got one in late WHFB, with the Isle of Blood box; that stuff just never got reprinted). Compare this to the Kruleboyz, who are decidedly less adorned, even among Orc fans. They're at best a nod to old Orc models (the scare-shields). At worst, an entirely new group with none of the decades of lore or adaptations in other games, and way less charm than even "normal" Warhammer Fantasy Orcs. Take this from a person who painted the entire Kruleboyz half of the Dominion box, and am always tempted to expand my collection. There's a reason Dominion stayed on the market for months, if not years in some places. I got my Kruleboyz for about $50 on the secondary market, when all was said and done. I have a feeling the Skaventide box WILL sell out.
I agree, the only time the second faction in a launch box has had the ability to draw in people with an existing army was 1st edition, (I think, Google's being very uncooperative about what the first Nighthaunt kit was) and even then it had the problem of the Stormcast being new. Selling these launch boxes to new players is all well and good, but what really moves them is people who already collect the armies. I think this is going to blow their previous launch boxes out of the water. Hell, I don't even play AoS and I'm getting the Skaven to add to my old army.
Literally zero chance. They will include *parts* of it in the starters, and three years from now there'll be a SH box containing that part by itself, but while the Stormcast characters will be released on their own later, there will be Skaven components from this that will NEVER be released individually.
Honestly I’m tempted to start AoS just for the huge discount, so GW should be doing this kind of huge discount on boxes to make customers buy new armies or games
Bit conflicted. If I got through my whole pile of shame and it was years from now I might kick myself for not getting this for the skaven, but the thing is the skaven are literally the only thing I'm truly interested in. Don't like stormcast. Don't like Sigmar lore so the rulebooks aren't even much good for a coffee table type thing. Yet it is in fact a good deal even if you count nothing but the skaven miniatures. and maybe I could come round on the stormcast purely as models, like just treat them as generic fantasy models or do something weird with them.
not to be overly negative, but I am going to point out the obvious: The stuff in this box is going to wind up the same way as all previous big boxes: The Stormcast will have the characters and one unit lumped into one big overpriced box (just like Yndrasta), and the Skaven will definitely end up with the Clawlord, the Grey Seer, and the Big gun (plus maybe the jezzails) all lumped into one big overpriced box, just like the Kruleboys mounted character and wizard, and the Nighthaunt mounted character and wizard. We will now have THREE factions with their mounted character and their wizard (the grey seer of all things) locked behind a big box and a limited release expensive box. This has become a pattern, and it's kinda sad that wizards and mounted characters for the "secondary faction" always get shafted and are never seen again after a certain point.
Considering how most currencies are valued based on the USD (this was due to the USD keeping its value based on gold long after other currencies stopped doing that)... I don't mind it, even if I don't use USD myself.
These kinda just highlight how horrendously overpriced GW models are. These boxes make a profit, and they include a rather big rulebook, which is BY FAR the most valuable thing in the box, based on material value. The sheer amount of stuff that should be 70% cheaper is wild. Like, in what universe are 5 heavy intercessors actually worth 12 fucking euros EACH?
The universe where people are willingly paying that price to get them. So this one. Value is subjective. Things are worth whatever the buyer and seller decide they’re worth. When what the seller’s willing to accept meets what the buyer is willing to pay, that is how much the item is worth.
^This. Given we're talking about hard plastic, not metal, there's no justification for this box costing more than $100. (Ideally, the books wouldn't be included, because the rules would be free to download online. Another way GW nickel and dimes customers.)
To put this boxsets pricing into perspective. Age of Sigmar 1.0. launch box with 47 minis dice and rulebook were 125$ (with inflation 168$). This boxset has 3 minis more, a map and terrain and goes for 275$. This is just bad. No matter how much you would save towards todays priving from GW.
It has 74 models, not 50. It has 50 Skaven models and 24 Stormcast models. 74 models, 4 pieces of terrain, 2 rulebooks (AOS and Spearhead), a double-sided game board, 2 decks of cards (Spearhead Battle Tactic deck and General’s Handbook deck), dice, and rulers. It’s got a lot more than the 1E box. The price is definitely steep, but it’s not as ridiculous as you make it sound.
While I too enjoy hating on prices I think you are a bit off. The 1.0 launch box was cheaper because they just nuked a game and needed people to enjoy the new big thing. Apart from that, the "rulebook" in 1.0 was not a rulebook at all and basicly worthless. Thinking about it, the new box adds a full core book (they go for around 50$ nowadays?), map, terrain, cards and rules for spearhead for lets say 65$ and the generals handbook cards for around 20$? I think you just googled the information and were never there when AoS released because in the beginning there were not rly usable rules for the game. While I agree that skaventide is not super cheap I think it has way more value than the old one
You don't need the book to play Spearhead. They're releasing PDFs for free shortly after the launch of 4th Edition, just like they did with Combat Patrol. 🤡😂
Looks like a very solid set- and unlike 40k you don't need to worry about your monopose models being locked out of wargear options and such.
The spearhead component makes this by far the most 'game-in-a-box' starter in a long time.
Well, technically, although the universal conclusion has been that the Skaven SH in the box is just very very bad on its own merits, and is utterly unplayable against the Stormcast one in the same box.
@@AnkhtoweWow... Seems like GW doesn't even try to balance their launch boxes
@@ralfsstuff GW always *heavily* biases all of their boxes in favor of the good guys.
@@ralfsstuff Both spearheads in here don't use all of the models in the box. Stormcast only get 4 different units while skaven have 6 + one type able to respawn as reinforcements. Stormcast have always been pretty elite troops with weighty heroes worth quite a few points in the starter boxes, Dominion shipped with around 1k of orruks and 1400 of stormcast.
Honestly as a starter set for 40k I like the Ultimate starter box over Leviathan due to the inclusion of 2 playable combat patrols gameboard and some terrain. It is a better starter than Leviathan. I think it compares more to this box.
The reason Skaventide beats out Leviathan, for me (as a Tyranids main) as the better Launch box, is that Skaventide has everything you need to play a game out of the box. Adding the Spearhead book, cards, gameboard and terrain are huge upgrades (even if not in monetary value), in sheer gameplay worth.
It's a clever and great ploy by GW too, as Fire & Jade is essentially a catalogue for all their other Spearhead box products that they've included in the box for free so you can peruse new Spearheads then go out and buy more 😂
So a mix of marketing and actually useful. Thats quite smart actually
One advantage Skaventide has over Leviathan is that AoS requires less other stuff out of the box.
Just as a note eventhough the skaven half is push fit, almost every kit (bar the heroes) has options. Most of the clan rats have 2 options (the champion has 3 different heads), all of the rat ogors have head options, the jezzails can be mix and matched with their shield rat , and the gun ogor has an optional sword arm.
As someone who loves Orks but hates the push fit Ork Boyz I expected to automatically hate push fit Skaven. But with how the figures are posed and how we get options they have won me over to the idea that push fit can be good.
@channelsofash yeah you'll still want to snip the peg and glue the join for the best fit, but these look like the best designed push fits yet. Also it has nice QoL features like the mount for the clawlord being separate from the rider. Just ignore the stormcast half that is...not as well designed.
Man I love the look of the ruination stormcasts, the new heroes, especially the Lord-terminos are just the pinnacle of stormcast design
I just wish they didn’t stop selling sequitors.
I'm thinking about how hard it would be to kitbash terminos into a proxy SM judicar...
Agreed. I really hated the bland look of Stormcast Eternals from launch through 3.0, but I'm really thinking of starting a SCE army with this boxset. I primarily play Skaven, Khorne, StD, SLBG and Cos so these will ally nicely with my CoS army.
the stormcast paladins are the peak imo
I think part of the excitement factor is how does the new edition box set compare to the last edition box set. 40K went from cool Necrons vs space marines to cool Nids vs space marines. Age of Sigmar went from reinvent the green skins with a whole new faction to the newest edition giving fans Skaven the way they already love them. Then toss in how much the Stormcast look has advanced between editions.
lowkey this edition of Aos I might try it out instead of just collecting rats n grots
At least try out Spearhead!
@@lionman8295do you know if they'll release free rules for the new edition (similar to 40k's index solution) or spearhead rules at least?
@@ralfsstuff They're doing the same thing as they did with 40K, index rules will be released soon for free on the website and they have the roadmap set for the first 4 codices
So let me tell you a sad, heartbreaking, depressing story. I’ve already paid for my Skaventide box and two days ago my local B&M called me and told me that my box was there and that I could come pick it up. I thought it was kinda strange, but I wasn’t going to complain and thought that maybe they released some of them early.
Got home that evening, tore open the box, looked at everything inside, and started to work on the minis. It was late so I called it a night fairly quickly.
The next day I got an email from my local store. Yeah, that wasn’t my Skaventide box - it was the demo box that GW sent them; the new girl just made a mistake. Since they can’t get another one they asked if I would be willing to bring it back, and I said that I would. The good thing is that they’re giving me a free Adepta Sororitas 10e Codex for my troubles, and a free $60 Codex for one of my armies is nothing to sneeze at.
But tomorrow morning I’ll be taking the Skaventide box back to them, and then I have to wait fourteen long, miserable days until I get my actual Skaventide box. My heart. It hurts.
awww you have to take your toys back.
@@Adamantos-Elean I did, and I’m still in pain. Two weeks left.
Luckily I’m rich so I have literally thousands of them to put together while I wait.
Feel that pain
Splitting it with my Stormcast player friend. Very excited for my new rats.
Very much considering getting into AOS.
I've started AoS around 1,5 years ago. Friends where getting into it and i was on the fence and said jomingly that i will Start if the New dwarfs get their Codex. 3 months later i was regretting that joke (at first, because it meant buying a new army and burying my student wallet)
Overall it has been really great and a fresh breath of Air. Especially the lack of overpowering shooting meant that you can tactially move around the board way better instead of hugging ruin walls or get blown to bits from across the board.
And castung and stuff is happening at the Start of the turn, so you are more likely to see units move in formation.
Some things are not too great if you come from 40k. But overall once i got used to it, it didnt bother me anymore. (Having possible double turns and most aura type things being 'unit WHOLLY within x" ' and stuff like that.)
I really like it so far and even started to pick up stormcast in time for the launch box)
3e AoS was some of the best GW wargaming I've done in like a decade.
Diving into the lore was surprisingly good too, particularly after being turned off by initial impressions of 1.0.
4e looking good so far
Man, AoS sculpts are so much better looking than 40k.
Hey AT, I think the main reason why so many people like the Skaventide box over the Leviathan is that some of the models in Leviathan weren't general purpose, banger units.
The Infernus Marines were good, but not everybody liked them, used them, or even worse, liked to use them, and the Sternguard vets are great, but it didn't sit well in every list. When it comes with a lot of horde on the Tyranid side, the Tyranids were just Termagaunts which, we get it, they're good, but every Tyranid player already has hundreds of them, and Neurogaunts, i.e. the worst horde unit in the game.
Nobody is complaining, this is still great value!... But I have yet to see a Tyranid player at my store WILLINGLY used Neurogaunts unless they were trying to run a meme 200+ infantry model list.
Whereas in the Skaventide box set... They're all really good models in any box! Liberators are fine, everybody has some, you can add a few, but because Stormcast Eternals aren't a spammy horde army, most people get 1 or 2 boxes of Libs, and so a 2nd or 3rd box is fine. Reclusians look like Bladeguard so people are HYPED, Prosecutors are stunning, and all the characters are fantastic!
On the Skaven side, there is a very big disclaimer here: Most stores stopped stocking Skaven entirely 2 years ago. Very few people have been buying them because we HAVE been expecting a re-release, so nobody has been buying them, so not everybody already has 1,000 clan rats like how Tyranids have 1,000 Termagaunts.
No Skaven army has enough Warplock Jezzails, rat rat ogres are big and very nice in any army, big shiny new warp-warp thing is beautiful and not just another Screaming Bell which compliments it's start collecting like *chefs kiss*, and the characters are solid!
After comparing the miniatures, Leviathan gets you more value per $, but for many Skaven player (and many many many potential Skaven players who've been waiting for new Skaven models but have none except maybe a Doomwheel or two), even though the value is slightly lower in the models, each model will fit into almost any and every army.
On top of that, Skaventide is releasing with many pre-order bonuses, terrain, AND the Spearhead book.
So even though the value is slightly lower, the value we as the players get, is actually higher.
In short, if we assign values to the boxes, I think Leviathan (if you use every bit of the box set) gives you a potential 1,000 value points (these are made up), and Skaventide gets you 945 value points.
However, in the Leviathan box set, most people probably only used about 85% of the contents, and some will entirely ignore portions of the box set so as low as 70% (but we'll go for 85%), so you only get 850/1,000 value points of useable stuff, whereas the Skaventide box set, it'll be rare not to use at least 95% of the contents so ~900 (897.75) value points.
~900 > 850, hence Skaventide wins, and because this just happened post price increases, this is fantastic pricing.
The only SM things people seem to use out of Leviathan are the lieutenant, biologis and ballistus.
The worst thing for leviathan is that it gives you 2 terminator characters and you could only really use one at a time 😂
@@spaznorcrest It's for this reason, I actually encouraged scalping, and I just picked out 2x Ballistus and Biologis for about $90 USD (even if they are scalped, you still get tremendous value buying them separately)
I already have a dozen lieutenants, I cared not for the Infernus or Sternguard.
If you didn't already have a 2k point list for Astartes, or if you barely could hit 2k, buying the SM half was huge in terms of value and expanding your lineup, but... If you're like me and already own over 10k points of SM, it was great value in terms of new models, but I had no reason to run any of them, so just got the models I wanted, and left.
Very true, I just played an RTT yesterday with my Nidz and the only units from Leviathan in my list were the 3 Von Ryan's and the Neurotyrant. None of the other models have ever been played.
I pre-ordered the AoS box yesterday while at the RTT and my son and I will likely just play using the box contents and treat it as a stand alone game (we have never played AoS).
I just counted the point amounts for the skaventide using the new download gw made and it was a little over 1,3k points for storm cast and skaven have a little under 1,3k points (only about 50 point difference so it's a really awesome box overall
I’m excited. The models look great. My passion is in the building and painting, I got a good deal on the Dominion boxset and the Stormcast are fun to paint.
It comes with a Gryph Stalker with a sensitive tummy and friend-colleague Richard, yes...maybe.
I wasn't that fussed but did like the look of the Skaven. Tbh from my local shop I get like 25% off so for £120 might just flog the stormcast half for £60 or something.
What's your local called please?
That new stormcast miniatures are awesome
Im starting my journey with AOS buying that box 😊
My friend buy's Skavens from me so WIN - WIN situation ❤
Never played AoS, but played fantasy back in the 90's ...tempted with this,my lgs has it for £128 ...
Ordered mine and my usual site I order from openly lists their stock, they had 280 boxes remaining after three hours of being live, so doubt supply is an issue.
Though I cant help but think the lord terminos would make a SICK conversion for a master of executions. Also the new rat ogors would work well as drukhari grotuesques.
Saw them built at my local GW store yesterday and I have to say, they tempt me to play AoS....
If the push fits, like the Clanrats, are going to be release like that and not full multipart kits, this are going to be cheaper I feel.
I still have an absolute shitload of clanrats NoS so if I don't like how these build/feel, I'll just my old clanrats
Quick question. If one was basing this on the new novel, since both sides are trying to capture lost Stormcast brother (whoever he is), how come is there a Freeguild Marshal that can be exactly built as the one on the cover? Just an interesting thing I noticed.
12:56 tiny editing error there
Im debating if i want to split the Skaventide box with my friend or just get the Stormcast models from miniswap, just not sure what a fair price would be to pay if i go for option 2. By the looks of which faction has more interest in it, i dont think itll be hard to find people offloading the stormcast models
Auspex discovers Warhammer's fantasy equivalent for the first time
it is absurd how no UA-cam channels have more dedicated videos of AoS and the ones that do have almost no proper edits of unit visuals, anyways this video is most welcomed
I got the SkavenTide box, but not the Leviathan. I am a chaos player and more Space Marines and Tyranids didn't interest me.
I have always wanted to collect Skaven but didn't like the old sculpts. I love the concept of the rat men and was thinking of adding some rats to my Plague Marines for some kitbashing fun.
Getting both core rules and the basically Combat Patrol rules books helped. You can nearly build 2 of the Spearhead armies just from the box alone, and if you had the Dominion box as well you can get 2 more. Just missing a chariot from the second stormcast for 1 of the spearheads. The two possible armies for Skaven you would still need 1 more Grey Seer, 1 box of Stormfiends and a Warp Lightning Cannon to run both.
Just ordered my Box, the hype is real
Ive seen 4 battlereports with this starterbox, in everyone Skaven got rofl stomped xD. The minis do look great thou.
I've seen multiple, and in every one, the Skaven player forgets to recycle their destroyed clanrats units, which then makes the game swing heavily against them. Though it may be done intentionally for the opening campaign, as GW probably don't want the Skaven to successfully capture the key port town, which they will do in lore if they win the campaign.
A lot of those seemed to not be playing the skaven as a finesse army and forgetting to regen the clan rats. However once you get to full skaventide with gnawholes the skaven side probably attritions the sce pretty easily.
*remembers the issue with the Leviathan box on how it turned out the SM half had more points then the Nid half, leading to the bugs getting likewise ROFL stomped*
Ah, so naturally despite being different game systems, things don't change, lol
@@tastiGMmaster2099for the nids the difference to make it balanced was 1 unit of termagants or the spacemarines leave one of their 4 characters at home? Something like that if my memory isnt clouded
@@uwesca6263 it was 880 points for nids, 1000 for marines. Pretty massive difference
Any ideas how many points each side this will be?
I'm gonna guess it's like 40k where the non-human faction gets stomped right out of this box?
I personally really like this box-set. Terrain in a starter Box is always a bit iffy for me because GW seems to only go all in for War Cry (probably to jack up the Price, but also IMO the right way to do terrain in a starter box) but with how Skaventide is priced, I would’ve like to see more on that front (but I just really like Terrain either DIY or bought so I’m kinda biased)
My main Pain point comes with the 40 Clan Rats. I’ll preface this by saying I don’t play Skaven and am not planning to start them BUT..,
I feel like, if I’m getting into AOS with a buddy and it’s our first War Gaming experience I don’t want to the same-ish model 40 times.
I totally get that all Skaven players probably have use for 40 Clanrats (I know a bunch of Skaven players that have more than that) but for a beginner I would’ve liked more variety.
Personally I think 20 of the Clanrats should’ve been exchanged for 10 Stormvermins + a Gnawhole (or just 20 Stormvermins)
Even for older Skaven players having more variety to get a taste for more new models seems kinda neat (I mean if you already have 60 old Clanrats do you REALLY need 40 of the new ones?)
Convinced my friend to split the box as soon as the animated teaser dropped. Left it up to a coin flip, and sad to say my friend took the rats.
I would be fookin happy, fuckk that rats xD
Thank you for the analysis on aos, auspex. However regarding the price of the minis. Instead of pricing them induvidualy you should have priced them as 2x spearheads + extra minis for each factions imo, less impressive discount that way. Thank anyway for all the good work ! 👍
Sorry im new to this. However, i watched some battle report and i noticed that they are not using all of the units included on the box. Can someone explain to me why?
Those are "spearhead" games which are basically AoS combat patrols :)
I actually only wanted the Eternals and got them from someone that only wanted the Skavens on ebay. I only paid 45€. So lucky!
I honestly want to buy this box just because the models are so freaking cool
I'll get the stormcast half if I can find it for a hundred bucks.
Should be easy
I'm getting the Skaven half for about 115 USD. I don't usually like buying this stuff as a preorder on Ebay, but I don't particularly have a use for the Stormcast
@@gammothdraws I'm buying the box for everything. I thought about trading the SCE half for another skaven half, but I'm actually debating starting a SCE army with this box set since the new models look SO much better than the old bland ones
Bought it yesterday on element games at 20+% discount and it listed as 10+ boxes left.
It seems that one is either unpopular or they made more of it, because Leviathan was sold out immediately. 😮
war4less is 25% in Australia, use that
Not a fan of chaos, so im probably gonna sit this one out lol. Hopefully the 5th edition starter box will have a death faction like the vampires or OBR. Just gotta hope the boxes don't end up being $300+ by then lol.
First edition 100
Second edition 125
Third edition 150
Fourth edition 220
Fifth edition 280 at least
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I'd buy it... if the price wasn't so bloody high. Where I live (Poland) GW presented us not with one but two price hikes almost in a row, so Leviathan costed ~550pln (with discount from local game store) and this box will be ~650pln - and I still remember Indomitus costing 450pln. You can't convince me nearly 45% price increase for a big starter box over less than five years is okay in any way, shape or form.
It is time for a second AOS channel WarHorn Tactics.
The index are dropping next week
Lets Goooooo
Around $920 individually...
Me: OK, well I'll just toss that info into a fire as it means nothing in my eyes (a million dollar car can go 50% off, it's still way to much).
However, 74 minis+4 terrain pieces at $265 comes to about $3-$4 per mini before %15 discounts come into play, then the added bonus of the 2 books, cards, board, an rulers.....
Yeah, even through my model per $$ eyes this box seems to be a good deal. If it were different armies (not big into Skaven or Stormcast personally) "4 years ago me" would have been all over this.
How about the poll option: buying this for warhammer old world !!
New island of blood.
Absolutely amazing value, I may have bought more than 1 box 👀
Id like to see more AOS content
Can’t wait to get the contents for pennies with a magazine in 3-4 years time. Also Auspex, it’s an English game, why are you listing the prices in Dollars with a fat export tax built in?
I don't want skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another army to finish, I don't want skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another army to finish, I don't wan't skaven I don't play AoS I don't need another ar....
Solid box but I just want an Ironjawz spearhead
I did an (internship?) (not sure of the word but whatever) in a miniature store and I had to build every Stormcast. They were all easy to build and it was so annoying ! I'm not really into AoS so I don't know if they already exist and you already know this but the Reclusian have a problem in their instructions : they say that you have to assemble one part of the cape before the chestplate etc.... DON'T! If you do that it'll be super hard to stick the front part and you may have a big gap on the right shoulder.
Hopefully they over print it like dominion so it get to the 80€ range
It's so funny to still see Dominion boxes everywhere. My local game store still has a couple in stock. I tell them I'll give them a hundred US for one every time I go in there and they won't budge. I have a feeling they will sell it to me the next time with the release of the new box.
This should be $165 US. Dont make us buy 2 “spearheads” and a book. Just give us a starter Like AoS1 or Calth.
Leviathan was fine but it had very limited war gear options, no real new game mode, tired model concepts, and just less stuff points wise. If you split skaven tide with a friend the two of you are almost already set for a full aos army... Vs how many primaris marines do you need for a 2k 40k army now?
You think these armies have almost 2k each in them? 😂 At best you're looking at 1200 points and even that is ambitious
I don't think it'll sell out super quickly. But they won't have made as many as Leviathan.
Please more AoS content.
I foolishly bought leviathan for my kid and I to work on; figure it would have everything needed to play (it’s been a few decades for me); and I was distracted to say the least
i do play skaven and necrons
It’s a fantastic deal because GW will sell the units individually for obscene amounts
I bought mine. Never played aos.
I just got mine tonight. I never played either.
Yes-yes.
Nothing from GW in 2024 is a good deal lets be honest. The prices are out of control for plastic we can print at home.
450 Australia is beyond my means
Damn. And I got it for only $145
I've lost all confidence in AOS after they retired all the golden guys in the last 2 boxes I bought. It was the sets with the golden guys and the night haunt. Never again, GW .
The stormcast would look so much better if they didn't have those face helmets.
Same goes for the cities of sigmar models and their dumb bell helmets.
You also have helmetsless options
Maybe 4 u 😂
Skaven army and a load of SCE bits for space marine conversions
True overlord of GW has arrived.
bruh.
But models are good as always, Gw brought their best people for them
Nice thin models that are just itching to yeet themselves off my table -_-
Come over to AoS you 40k players, we have pancakes!
Dollars?
Eh. Honestly the main problem with AoS at the moment is stormcast being such a shoved to the front face despite their reception continuing to be lukewarm, nobody cares about them that much. That and the majority of new minis are just monopose.
This is what Warhammer fantasy got pushed to the back of the room for. It's an insult to the customers and a big divide between Fantasy and AoS players. If you're like me you've had zero interest in AoS for years but that's all that remained to be, and now that Fantasy is back tons of people don't have square-based minis anymore.
cmon, do more aos videos
I don't love the mounted Skaven character. The Skaven have never used mounts that much. I feel like it would have made more sense to put it on a palanquin or steampunk machine. There are clan moulder mutants, but they seem to mostly be used by the clan itself
The giant Rat could have been like an hound on a leash
It's interesting comparing this box to, say, the Dominion box from AoS 3rd ed. Here, the army opposing the Stormcast are Skaven, a fan-favorite faction for many Warhammer Fantasy fans (via things like Mordheim, Vermintide, and the Gotrek & Felix books). Many people have been waiting for Skaven to get a refresh for decades. (Or a re-refresh, since they kind of got one in late WHFB, with the Isle of Blood box; that stuff just never got reprinted).
Compare this to the Kruleboyz, who are decidedly less adorned, even among Orc fans. They're at best a nod to old Orc models (the scare-shields). At worst, an entirely new group with none of the decades of lore or adaptations in other games, and way less charm than even "normal" Warhammer Fantasy Orcs.
Take this from a person who painted the entire Kruleboyz half of the Dominion box, and am always tempted to expand my collection. There's a reason Dominion stayed on the market for months, if not years in some places. I got my Kruleboyz for about $50 on the secondary market, when all was said and done.
I have a feeling the Skaventide box WILL sell out.
I agree, the only time the second faction in a launch box has had the ability to draw in people with an existing army was 1st edition, (I think, Google's being very uncooperative about what the first Nighthaunt kit was) and even then it had the problem of the Stormcast being new. Selling these launch boxes to new players is all well and good, but what really moves them is people who already collect the armies. I think this is going to blow their previous launch boxes out of the water. Hell, I don't even play AoS and I'm getting the Skaven to add to my old army.
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Produced by GW or FW? The deal sux... oh, compared to other company products? Nope still sux.
if they sold the skaven box without the sigmarines that would be great
Yeah, that's all I want
Unfortunately, every faction must be subjected to the space marine tax
Literally zero chance. They will include *parts* of it in the starters, and three years from now there'll be a SH box containing that part by itself, but while the Stormcast characters will be released on their own later, there will be Skaven components from this that will NEVER be released individually.
…I’m actually here for the sig. Giving the skaven to my less fortunate buddy
@@AnkhtoweWhat models do you think will never be released individually?
Honestly I’m tempted to start AoS just for the huge discount, so GW should be doing this kind of huge discount on boxes to make customers buy new armies or games
I might have given it a chance if it had been those awesome cities of sigmar miniatures instead of more stormcast.
Bit conflicted. If I got through my whole pile of shame and it was years from now I might kick myself for not getting this for the skaven, but the thing is the skaven are literally the only thing I'm truly interested in. Don't like stormcast. Don't like Sigmar lore so the rulebooks aren't even much good for a coffee table type thing. Yet it is in fact a good deal even if you count nothing but the skaven miniatures. and maybe I could come round on the stormcast purely as models, like just treat them as generic fantasy models or do something weird with them.
not to be overly negative, but I am going to point out the obvious:
The stuff in this box is going to wind up the same way as all previous big boxes: The Stormcast will have the characters and one unit lumped into one big overpriced box (just like Yndrasta), and the Skaven will definitely end up with the Clawlord, the Grey Seer, and the Big gun (plus maybe the jezzails) all lumped into one big overpriced box, just like the Kruleboys mounted character and wizard, and the Nighthaunt mounted character and wizard. We will now have THREE factions with their mounted character and their wizard (the grey seer of all things) locked behind a big box and a limited release expensive box.
This has become a pattern, and it's kinda sad that wizards and mounted characters for the "secondary faction" always get shafted and are never seen again after a certain point.
Ratz!!!
13:13 lmao
Auspex get some sleep man my god your uploaad schedule is wild
Why you doing it in dollars?!
Annoying isn’t it
Considering how most currencies are valued based on the USD (this was due to the USD keeping its value based on gold long after other currencies stopped doing that)... I don't mind it, even if I don't use USD myself.
ill wait until it goes down to dirt cheap and get
it then, like dominion. If it doesnt, ill pass lol
These kinda just highlight how horrendously overpriced GW models are. These boxes make a profit, and they include a rather big rulebook, which is BY FAR the most valuable thing in the box, based on material value.
The sheer amount of stuff that should be 70% cheaper is wild. Like, in what universe are 5 heavy intercessors actually worth 12 fucking euros EACH?
The universe where people are willingly paying that price to get them. So this one.
Value is subjective. Things are worth whatever the buyer and seller decide they’re worth. When what the seller’s willing to accept meets what the buyer is willing to pay, that is how much the item is worth.
^This. Given we're talking about hard plastic, not metal, there's no justification for this box costing more than $100. (Ideally, the books wouldn't be included, because the rules would be free to download online. Another way GW nickel and dimes customers.)
AoS continues to be superior to 40K
What’s that price doing tho, yikes
WTH is with the 7% that play neither AoS or 40k that are invested enough to answer a poll on a 40k channel about AoS
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Id say no. For 265 usd, I'd expect 1/3 more in models.
For 265 I expect at least 100 models
To put this boxsets pricing into perspective. Age of Sigmar 1.0. launch box with 47 minis dice and rulebook were 125$ (with inflation 168$). This boxset has 3 minis more, a map and terrain and goes for 275$. This is just bad. No matter how much you would save towards todays priving from GW.
It has 74 models, not 50. It has 50 Skaven models and 24 Stormcast models.
74 models, 4 pieces of terrain, 2 rulebooks (AOS and Spearhead), a double-sided game board, 2 decks of cards (Spearhead Battle Tactic deck and General’s Handbook deck), dice, and rulers.
It’s got a lot more than the 1E box. The price is definitely steep, but it’s not as ridiculous as you make it sound.
While I too enjoy hating on prices I think you are a bit off. The 1.0 launch box was cheaper because they just nuked a game and needed people to enjoy the new big thing. Apart from that, the "rulebook" in 1.0 was not a rulebook at all and basicly worthless. Thinking about it, the new box adds a full core book (they go for around 50$ nowadays?), map, terrain, cards and rules for spearhead for lets say 65$ and the generals handbook cards for around 20$?
I think you just googled the information and were never there when AoS released because in the beginning there were not rly usable rules for the game. While I agree that skaventide is not super cheap I think it has way more value than the old one
The rulebook it's going to be useless in 6 months
Comparing prices from years back with today's prices, you always wonder how cheap things used to be. That's the nature of inflation.
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1st edition starter box 100€
2nd ed 125€
3rd ed 150€
4rth ed 210€
inflation doesn't double prices every 9 years
Your poll should have had an option "I play WARHAMMER FANTASY/OLD WORLD and will buy the box/skaven for that"
With those current rules, no one is gonna be playing skaven for a good while in the old world.
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Darn you!
Cringe
Open a vein.
I dislike both skaven and stormcast.
Its all monopose shit that will probably be made obsolete in 2 editions.
Needing an extra book to play Spearhead, such a greedy move from GW. Wahapedia to the rescue!
You don't need the book to play Spearhead. They're releasing PDFs for free shortly after the launch of 4th Edition, just like they did with Combat Patrol. 🤡😂
age of sigmarxism, no thanks!
AoS products are price gouged