Cool content guy really appreciate ya and thanks for all the info in the comments, don't beat yourself up to much I striped and broke one of the studs I was trying to pull and i had been seriously considering sending the heads out till now. Thanks again
I like your style using good comp cams cutters, I think you should enquire to see if comp cams can supply you with a work bench you don’t have to chase all over the workshop.
These cutters are meant to be used with a slow speed HD 1/2" drill. Set the head-on a upsidedown milk crate with a couple headbolts dropped into the holes to keep it from turning. Oil the pilot so it doesn't gall not the cast. Just follow the pilot without leaning. And they do make a tool for pulling rocker studs. Use neversieze on tool threads. Cut the thickness of the nut and guide plate. Mark the boss with a scribe. Cut to the mark. Use valve spring cups. Before doing all this make sure the heads aren't cracked!
You know you took way to much material off, the spring uses that to center on. .200" is more than enough. Also don't forget to enlarge the push rod holes in the head! ½" drill bit works perfect.
how many heads will those cutters cut??? I would like to do a few sets for different builds and for friends who need them. hopefully they can complete a dozen heads or a dozen pair...
Richard I can only tell you what machine shop buddy told me .that was take your time cut small amounts at the time and they will last a long time .I will tell you this the cutters cut just as good on the last cut as they did on the first cut hope this helps you .
Couldn't you take a cutoff wheel or grinder and take alot of the material off the stud bosses and follow up with the cutter to straighten everything back up ? Seems that would increase the life of the bit
Slow speed rotation and feed pressure with lots of coolant and the tool should last for years. Trick is keeping the carbide cool, not side loading it or forcing it, let it cut, take your time.
Vortec heads are not designed to use guide plates. They use self aligning rocker arms. And the pushrod holes need to be opened up to 1/2 inch to keep the pushrods from rubbing when a high lift cam is used.
I find the easiest way to pull rocker studs is to install a cam that's just below spec of where it should be a problem. Take the car for a 10 minute drive, and suddenly most of them have pulled. 😁
Good video. I have a set of Vortec heads and the tools. I just need the vice. Which vice are you using? Is there a 3 axis that would allow a tilt as well?
What lift cam can you run with the vortec heads after milling the guides down factory vortec heads you can run a lift of .475" how much did you remove when milling them?
Should have just paid the 200 dollars for beehive springs so for one u didnt have to go through that while u still had to buy atleast .550 lift springs, I did springs and offset retainers, with 1.6 roller rockers so I could get my lift even higher by .030 thousandths
I didn't see you lubricate the threads. It would have made for more success even with a lower grade nut. If a nut starts to gall and mess up threads, use a zizz wheel and cut it off and possibly save the decent threads on the stud.
Have you not got a stable work bench and some heavy duty G clamps to hold the head down while you pull those head studs out. I know when we’re young and foolish we tended to do things the hard way, but when we get older and are still doing things the hard way we’re being fools, I’m not doubting for one second your expertise because I have done many SBC heads the same way but not on a rickety old table that you have to chase all over the workshop
yes kevin i have plenty of clamps and solid benches i really cant tell you why i used the cart instead of a bench after looking back at it really didnt make good sense doing it on the cart but it is what it is thanks for commenting
Hind site is 20/20! I am what I am and I ain't what I ain't! When focused on a the problem it's so easy to get tunnel vision, it happens to me all the time but you got it done in the end! And next time you can look good doing it and worry about the little things!
Nice job there with just a drill press !!....Just askin,.....without any oil lube, is that valve guide arbor/cutter's Dry arbor damaging or scaring the valve guide ID'S up ? Thx for the video,...tom
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 I think you misunderstood, those heads are junk... Then you put ls springs and 787-16 retainers... That spring and retainer setup is so you don't have to do any machining...
@Jcanfixall jc thanks for the comment the heads are just something to play around with the plan was to use standard springs and retainers and valve seals the heads aren't junk they just aren't top shelf heads they have worked great on a 327 for a while now
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 no, vortec's are the best factory heads for the gen 1 sbc... They are junk because you have no clue what you're doing and ruined them... I doubt you been running them and if you are they are going to fail soon!!!
@Jcanfixall man it's kind of hard to accept your criticism when I can't find any videos of you and all your knowledge. Thanks for the comment and as I said before the heads were just something to play with they are on a 327 now and work just fine
I know I’m late to the video, just getting into this, but I have a 292/501 lift mag. comp com, Howard cams stock diameter performance double valve springs, 5/16 in. Diameter, 7.794 in. Length, Universal comp cam push rods. And have a set of vortec heads in the house I wanna put on my 350. My question would I have to do this also.
THE TOOLS I USED FOR THIS PROJECT WERE COMP CAMS 4726 CUTTER WITH A # 11-HP ARBOR THE SECOND CUTTER WAS ACOMP CAMS ALSO 4729 AND A .365-HP ARBOR
Thank you sir my machine shop wants 750 to install and machine. So I'm guna call com cams thank.
Which one is the cutter for screw in studs to cut down it for guide plates
@@cdpperformance2613 4729 is for cutting the stud bosses down
Seems like that cutter die could stand a little oil? Good video!
Cool content guy really appreciate ya and thanks for all the info in the comments, don't beat yourself up to much I striped and broke one of the studs I was trying to pull and i had been seriously considering sending the heads out till now. Thanks again
thanks man i subbed back
Old man glad this popped up love it when you can do things at home this was awesome!
Got to love backyard builds 💪🏻
Back yard builds is the only way I can build a car
I like your style using good comp cams cutters, I think you should enquire to see if comp cams can supply you with a work bench you don’t have to chase all over the workshop.
I know it's been 2 yrs, but when you put in the guid plates, do you still have to go with self aligning rocker arms?? Rockies question, I know..
no you dont but you need hardened pushrods anytime guide plates are used
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 mucho grassias
These cutters are meant to be used with a slow speed HD 1/2" drill. Set the head-on a upsidedown milk crate with a couple headbolts dropped into the holes to keep it from turning. Oil the pilot so it doesn't gall not the cast. Just follow the pilot without leaning.
And they do make a tool for pulling rocker studs. Use neversieze on tool threads. Cut the thickness of the nut and guide plate. Mark the boss with a scribe. Cut to the mark. Use valve spring cups.
Before doing all this make sure the heads aren't cracked!
I freaking LOVE this. You got a sub and I can't wait to see more.
THANKS ALOT MAN
Some tap magic would help things along. Enjoyed watching.
i was thinking the same my buddy that owns a machine shop said dont put any lube on the cutter when cutting cast
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 that's good information to know because I would have used some lubricant. Thank you for the video.
Missed this one... great video buddy, man I wish we were closer, the boys camaro needs that done on his lt1 🔥🔥🔥🔥
it really easy to do
Nice work Old Man.
Good job.
Take care, Ed.
i set the stop on my drill press so the cut depth is the same every time really simple to do
Heck ya buddy staying buisy and getting shit done. Keep up the hard work
i really enjoyed doing it
You know you took way to much material off, the spring uses that to center on. .200" is more than enough.
Also don't forget to enlarge the push rod holes in the head! ½" drill bit works perfect.
i may of taken to much off but my buddy builds these heads all the time and thats what he told me to do. thanks for watching and commenting
i forgot to mention there will be double springs on the heads
Nice.....money saver......looking good. Now what are they going on??
Not sure yet rusty I have several blocks I'm thinking about building a 315 a 060 over 305 I have most all the parts
Didn't know Ron White was a novice machinist. Get em' tiger
Great!! Efforts sir!! .
thank you sir the heads worked out good
Great job great content keep up the good work
how many heads will those cutters cut??? I would like to do a few sets for different builds and for friends who need them. hopefully they can complete a dozen heads or a dozen pair...
Richard I can only tell you what machine shop buddy told me .that was take your time cut small amounts at the time and they will last a long time .I will tell you this the cutters cut just as good on the last cut as they did on the first cut hope this helps you .
Couldn't you take a cutoff wheel or grinder and take alot of the material off the stud bosses and follow up with the cutter to straighten everything back up ? Seems that would increase the life of the bit
@@albertvenable4122 I don't see why you couldn't I just never thought of that until now
Slow speed rotation and feed pressure with lots of coolant and the tool should last for years. Trick is keeping the carbide cool, not side loading it or forcing it, let it cut, take your time.
$2-300 you didn't have to pay, perfect.
thats the way i was looking at it and i learned how to do it
You gotta be from my neck of the woods feller I'm in Gastonia NC
close man im in pamlico county on the coast
Vortec heads are not designed to use guide plates. They use self aligning rocker arms. And the pushrod holes need to be opened up to 1/2 inch to keep the pushrods from rubbing when a high lift cam is used.
wayne you are correct but decided to go with roller rockers and guide plates with push rod holes opened up and they work fine thanks for the info
👍👍🍿watched it again for the hell of it
im wondering if cutting oil is not required??
Richard my buddy runs a machine shop and he said with those cutters use no oil
Cool work
I find the easiest way to pull rocker studs is to install a cam that's just below spec of where it should be a problem. Take the car for a 10 minute drive, and suddenly most of them have pulled. 😁
That's to easy
Yep,....Plenty of room for any spring combo now !
Great video, keep up the good work 👍
I learned something new. Thanks
good deal if it helps you save money
Cool! I am doing this on a pair of 906's
Better not or you'll be sorry you did
Good video. I have a set of Vortec heads and the tools. I just need the vice. Which vice are you using? Is there a 3 axis that would allow a tilt as well?
6inch 2 axis i couldnt find a 3 axis thats what i was wanting but im still looking one
Very cool love this stuff thanks
thanks for checking us out
What lift cam can you run with the vortec heads after milling the guides down factory vortec heads you can run a lift of .475" how much did you remove when milling them?
we put a 540 lift cam in and i cut the guides down so a .530 valve seal works comp 518-16 seals ls 6 yellow springs comp26906-16 with 7816 retainers
He removed too much!!!
Should have just paid the 200 dollars for beehive springs so for one u didnt have to go through that while u still had to buy atleast .550 lift springs, I did springs and offset retainers, with 1.6 roller rockers so I could get my lift even higher by .030 thousandths
I didn't see you lubricate the threads. It would have made for more success even with a lower grade nut. If a nut starts to gall and mess up threads, use a zizz wheel and cut it off and possibly save the decent threads on the stud.
just wondering why no cutting oil for lube ?
my machinist friend told me not to use lube on the cast iron heads
where do you find the info on cut depth for these heads for the rocker studs?
The simple thing to do is buy rocker studs then you measure how thick the nut section of the stud is and that's how much you take off the stud bosses
Vortec heads probably cracked anyway?
They were Crack checked and they are good thanks
Is the tool dummy proof? Will it stop when it gets to the right point or depth?
Obviously not, it didn't stop for him...
How do you know how much to take of the stud boss?
Measure stud height of existing studs and figure for new ones to be same height
LOOSE BELT?
Have you not got a stable work bench and some heavy duty G clamps to hold the head down while you pull those head studs out. I know when we’re young and foolish we tended to do things the hard way, but when we get older and are still doing things the hard way we’re being fools, I’m not doubting for one second your expertise because I have done many SBC heads the same way but not on a rickety old table that you have to chase all over the workshop
yes kevin i have plenty of clamps and solid benches i really cant tell you why i used the cart instead of a bench after looking back at it really didnt make good sense doing it on the cart but it is what it is thanks for commenting
Hind site is 20/20! I am what I am and I ain't what I ain't! When focused on a the problem it's so easy to get tunnel vision, it happens to me all the time but you got it done in the end! And next time you can look good doing it and worry about the little things!
@@donburshaw6505 thats exactly me get tunnel vision and wont let it beat me
u need some meat for the springs to align so they dont flop around
the springs i used are a double spring with a cup and they dont move around thanks
Time to gather a short block
yep time to do something
You got a lead on the tools you used for this?
Comp cams 4726 cutter #11 HP arbor 4729 cutter .365 HP arbor
outstanding!!
Hey what valve seals you use a part number would be great thanks
COMP 518-16 .530 THOU WITH A 11/32 VALVE
Hey Nice Video man!
nice
thanks buddy
Cool
it was fun and pretty easy to do
Nice job there with just a drill press !!....Just askin,.....without any oil lube, is that valve guide arbor/cutter's Dry arbor damaging or scaring the valve guide ID'S up ? Thx for the video,...tom
no it actually doesnt leave any traces of the arbor even being there
also please ask your buddy why he said not to use any cutting oil?? or oil??
Cast iron has a lubricating type property already, so cutting oil actually makes the cutter too gummy, causing less accurate cut.
Good jobb 👍👏👏👍
Please tell me I'm not the only one that thinks you sound like Ron White
yeh i sure have been told that many times
You don't need cutting oil
machine shop friend said not on cast iron
your tooling will love you if you squirt some oil on it occasionally. even motor oil is better than no oil.
my buddy is a machinist and he told me not to put any lube on cast iron so i didnt my thinking was it couldnt hurt to use some cutting oil
Heck yeah, good info!!
now you can put a v8 in the red truck
Did u use the same cutter tool on both parts the valve stem and guide boss for the screw in stud
no sir i used 2 different cutters they were both from comp cams 1was a4726 cutter with a #11 arbor the 2cd cutter 4729 with a .365 arbor
Almost to 500.
we're famous cylinder head block factory in China 🙂
What heads do you make
send me a set of sbc 23 degree aluminum heads and i will see how good they are
do you use whatsApp or email please ?@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726
@@HBJY-Cylinder-Head-Factory I use email I need your email address so we can talk about heads
@@HBJY-Cylinder-Head-Factory i use email marktyndall642@gmail.com
Cant watch, you made me dizzy jerking the camera all around !
Harbor freight ftw
🚒👍👍
How did u cut the guide seals down to 100 or 150 did u use the same tool u used to cut the guide boss down just now in this video
The spring pockets and guides are cut at the same time with the one cutter
Just ruined a set of heads. Can't shorten the valve guides that much!!!
Funny you say that pro engine builders told me what tool to get and how to use it thanks for the comment
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 I think you misunderstood, those heads are junk...
Then you put ls springs and 787-16 retainers...
That spring and retainer setup is so you don't have to do any machining...
@Jcanfixall jc thanks for the comment the heads are just something to play around with the plan was to use standard springs and retainers and valve seals the heads aren't junk they just aren't top shelf heads they have worked great on a 327 for a while now
@@oldmanintheshopbuiltnotbou8726 no, vortec's are the best factory heads for the gen 1 sbc...
They are junk because you have no clue what you're doing and ruined them...
I doubt you been running them and if you are they are going to fail soon!!!
@Jcanfixall man it's kind of hard to accept your criticism when I can't find any videos of you and all your knowledge. Thanks for the comment and as I said before the heads were just something to play with they are on a 327 now and work just fine
I know I’m late to the video, just getting into this, but I have a 292/501 lift mag. comp com, Howard cams stock diameter performance double valve springs, 5/16 in. Diameter, 7.794 in. Length, Universal comp cam push rods. And have a set of vortec heads in the house I wanna put on my 350. My question would I have to do this also.
Crooked Man this is the way Pizz Cutter says to do it.
ua-cam.com/video/FMQVxcQYHgw/v-deo.html
Look at PISS-CUTTER PERFORMANCE on UA-cam...
This guy ruined these heads...
Pretty cool but jesus man at least use some WD-40 or a spray bottle with some antifreeze to keep that thing cool....