Honestly, there is a little more to it. If you compare how he killed the Guardian of the Goble in the comics to the series, you can see that if he had to fight against them like he did in the animated series, he would not be able to do it. He was fond of them, that's why he had to make it quick, painless and most importantly, mindless. If he had a single thoght while fighting against them, he simply wouldn't kill them. He isn't a psychopat.
@@aurarookie2293 that's not really the case I don't think, nolan doesn't give a shit about humans, he would probably kill them all if it weren't for the fact mark and Debby are from there
@@funnelingspace9268 Before he didn't give a fuck. But I was also refering the comics, so I have a little more knowledge than the animated series about the future. He actually changes and starts to care about earth and *spoilers*. But someone can't just forget their origins and the ways that raised them. This kind of conflict can cause a mental breakdown, which is what i believe started to happen to Nolan (also, it is important to remenber that earth was his first and only solo conquering mission) after he killed the guardians of the goble, and when Mark and Debby found out, well... the 'straw that broke the camel's back', you know?
I think it's more of a fighter? since he lacks any special power outside of pure brute strength (and flight, but it's still just his own physical prowess)
@@rompevuevitos222 I'm talking more about the roleplay aspects of it rather than mechanics. Which is why I'd say paladin, due to the main conflict for Nolan being between his love for his family and his loyalty to his people. Mechanically speaking though, a level 20 elf(the slow aging) totem barbarian (2 bear and the flight from eagle) with the fighting initiate feat for unarmed fighting would probably work for an ancient species of kryptonian-lite Social Darwinists.
Is the reason he wasn’t happy about mark getting his powers because he had an excuse to act like a human until mark got his powers, so he was hoping mark never did?
Remember when Nolan said that he loves Debbie like a pet? Have you ever had a pet? You know going into it that you'll outlive them, but you'll never want to think about that because you genuinely DO love them. And when they die, you're crushed, because they were your family. If Mark never got his powers, then he'd be able to live the rest of her life out on Earth, and THEN complete his mission. But the fact that Mark has full Viltrumite powers means that Earth could basically become a breeding camp for viltrumites.
Viltrumite is a joke. It sounds like philtrum which is the part of the lip under your nose... the part where a mustache grows. As you meet more Viltrumites you'll notice they all sport 'staches.
also could be a subtle dc reference in that the daxamites basically were vitrumites, that everyone thought were kryptonians at first. Edit: name correction thanks john.
the comics does this hilariously, but the animated adaptation made viltrumites a lot more ethnically varied to make them resemble humans more, so maybe we'll see it with some "important people", but not to the level of the comics
Okay, point of order. You moved him the same distance for "playing catch with his son" and "brutally murdering the guardians" which I gotta say are not equivalent actions.
@@blobjorn3248 lawful neutral. He still has a bit of honor, albeit twisted and more for his home planet than earth and he does struggle with the culture shock he received from Earth. It's not like he ignored it and just freaking brutalized Mark into a complete vegetable and then gave Earth to Viltrum. Which....honestly would've been easy for him at that point.
is say a paladin evil for suplexing bandits so their brains splat on the pavement? its not always the violence which determines how good or evil something is. From Nolans point of view this is right and what has to be done, its not done completely out of malice but for duty. Nolan is a good character at heart but the grim duty and reality of upbringing makes him at times to some crazy shit.
I'd argue that the whole planet destruction of alien invaders would be Lawful Evil, it's him following the laws of his duty, not allowing it to be conquered by anyone else.
Your right that its part of his mission to conquer earth. But clearly he enjoys exercising the full extent of his power, and possibly he would have done the same on earth if his mission were different. That cruel streak speaks more to Chaos than to Law.
@@caad5258 Plenty of lawful evil people are cruel and enjoy being so. Most lawful evil people join authoritarian organizations and governments BECAUSE it allows them to be cruel to undesirables.
not really because it's not really a "whole planet" it's more like a tiny political movement/cult that slaughtered the rest of their own population. Which is actually why they go out scouting the universe for breeding stock and the events of the series.
I’m just gonna say with the Damien dark blood thing Cecil knew, or had a pretty good feeling the Omni did it, he gave darkblood the boot because he couldn’t have darkblood Setting off Omni.
As of right now in the show? Lawful Evil most likely. Beginning of the show I think he's mellowed out enough to be Lawful Neutral, I mean he's been on Earth 20 years and seemed fine until he realized "shit now I gotta start doing my job. FUCK!"
He wasn't just sitting waiting he spent that time gathering intel and gaining trust in order to prepare the planet for an invasion by space nazis. This is not what I would describe as "mellowed out"
@@georgelilly1847 The comic explain that his main mission on earth was to eliminate the competitors also trying to conquer the world. "Stabilise" the planet for occupation. Hence his statement "This planet isn't yours to conquer". Subtle conquest is not needed when an individual vitrumite is so powerful enough to genocide an advanced alien civilization solo. In the comics he started off beating up kaijus monsters simply as his primary mission, then he met his wife, then later he started meeting actual superheroes. Technically he should have eliminated the heroes back then but marriage probably made him put it off for later. Mark getting his powers is important as it gave an excuse to stall the mission. There was a hidden reason why vitrumites want to conquer planets but that is spoilers.
as an earthling, lawful evil... but he's not human, as a viltrumite, lawful good. he honestly believes what he is doing is for the benefit of all humans on earth. viltrumites have cured cancer, ended dieses, hunger, poverty. in his mind, and in many people in the real worlds minds, he is willing to kill a few people to insure that all humans on earth have a better life down the road. this is definitively a good mindset. at the same time, while he doesn't care much for earth's societal rules, he does follow nearly to the letter the rules of viltrum society. which is obviously lawful. so in the same way that a lawful good paladin can bust in a goblins head while it prays to it's god and still be lawful good, Omni-man has no problems killing a few dozen people to add billions to his empire.
@@NoESanity Gotta disagree. Omniman was serving a plan that is literally, conquer Earth and make humanity subservient to another civilization. This violates their free will and that is wrong. Self-justification only goes so far in preserving a good alignment. A Lawful Good Paladin smashing in Goblin skulls isn't doing it while saying "this is for your benefit" and if he is Lawful Good, he's only doing that because as far as he's aware, the Goblins antagonized whatever locals sent the Paladin their way. Omniman on the other hand, is an invader seeking to destabilize a planet so that his people can come in, "save the day" and then annex them.
@@NoESanity so by that logic you would also consider literal nazis to be lawful good, because from their perspective ethnicly cleansing the world would bring about world peace. I think judging someone's alignment (or ethics for that matter) only from their perspective is fundamentally flawed. The vast majority of characters believe their actions are at least justified if not morally correct. You can't just hand wave the murder of millions because he thinks he has a good reason
I think part of what makes Omni Man stand out is that despite being a planetary level threat, he's not written as a destroyer or even as a conqueror, but as a soldier. He never takes joy in his violence and he does care for his family and the rest of humanity, but at the end of the day he's still in enemy territory and he has to complete his mission.
SPOILER FOR THE COMIC SERIES (and potentially future seasons of the show) I don't know if your word choice is just coincidental, but the comments about "planetary level threat" and "destroyer" are ironic given later events. About halfway through the comic series, Omni-man, Invincible, Allen, and a small handful of other comparably powerful characters work together to obliterate an entire planet in what looks like under a minute flat.
@@Pope_of_the_Church_of_Tea RESPONSE TO SPOILERED COMMENT ABOVE It was coincidental, but I'm glad to see that my general assessment was right on the money.
@@fightingmedialounge519 nah, LG at the end. Worked hard to correct he wrong doings - check-. Spared his most dangerous rival, altough he would have been justifed to kill him - check. Asked bit did not comanned the other viltrumites to fight Thragg (commanding would have LN).
I like that they used the laser satellite design from Akira (in homage), since their space laser scene is the exact same, for the same in-universe and narrative purpose =)
I would argue Lawful Neutral over good as a starting point purely because of his motivation for being a hero. He's arrived on a planet that has its own heroes. A lot of them. He needs to blend in and see what they can do so he knows if he can take them or not. He barely managed to beat all of the Guardians together. If he hadn't had 20 years to study them, he would have lost. And he had to take them down all at once, or somebody might figure him out before he was finished. Yes, Debbie does get him feeling positive emotions, and he's a good father for the most part, but he's still pretty much just there to do his job until Mark comes along and changes everything for him.
Right, he isn't being a hero to save people, that is just a side-effect. Kinda like how my evil characters still often do "good" things but the motivation is so that suspicion will fall of them so they can do what they actually want to do...which is evil things.
@@ShiningDarknes In a way, he is in it to save people. Just not individual people. He believes that being part of the empire is the best thing for the people of earth. This is why he's not on the Evil spectrum to start. But he's still ready, willing, and able to do horrific things to make it happen, which is why he's not good either.
But Nolan is doing this for the survival of his own species. Even if it's not pretty and glamorous and we might not like it since it's at our cost, but it is for their survival.
@@nickelakon5369 in the comics, yes. But in the anime/cartoon, they haven't explored that at all. So in the context of the show, he is doing this purely to expand the empire, for the greater good.
I like how it has its cake and eats it too on exploring the superman idea... cause tho in the eyes of the Public Omniman is the superman role... character wise, his son is the Clark Kent, the heroic optimist
Him killing the Guardians was him just "doing his job". They were a major threat to his people's conquest. Its bad but he wasn't enjoying himself or terrorizing them. It was really a less evil act than others he commits. Genociding the aliens on the other hand......
Guardians of the Globe were Earths main force against evil and disasters. Without them they werent just not there to prevent the Viltrumite invasion: he ripped away every opportunity to potentially save lives and prevent destruction from then on after killing them. Regardless if it was his duty that's evil as all fuck.
Actually Cecil frames it as "Nolan told us what you're doing. I know he's bullshitting us and you're right, but I already told you to stop so you're going back to hell before you piss him off and he kills us all."
@@rompevuevitos222 no he didnt lol. Cecil knows omniman did it, cecil excisses darkblood because darkblood was going to expose omniman and force the fight with omni man right now. Cecil needed time to find a way to fight omni man so he banished darkblood all on his own. Omni man wasnt really involved at all, cecil literally explains all of this in the show.
Was hoping to see this! As someone who couldn't help himself and spoiled the hell out of Invincible for myself, I'm interested in seeing what the show changes from the comics and how Omni-Man's journey plays out in the show.
I actually really like this "alignment point wheel" system as a concept, because it shows how you can sometimes act in a way that completely goes against your alignment while overall maintaining a consistent alignment.
Guessing it now, Lawful Evil. One of the best examples of Lawful Evil I’ve seen in recent media. MAYBE Lawful Neutral if you think he’s “just” following the Viltrum empire. Edit: ehhhhhhhhhhh it’s hard to argue a lot of the things he does as lawful good since that’s what he does BECAUSE of the limelight he’s in. When he’s alone with Mark or on his own, it’s a much better representation of the real him.
i'd argue in his mind, lawful good. by adding earth to the empire, he'd be ending so many problems that kill millions of humans every year. an end to starvation, illness, war, protection from aliens and monsters. all in all his acts would be lawful good in his own eyes. especially since this is just season 1, and we don't have some of the other things like realizing how op human viltrumite hybrids are.
These videos aren't really judging characters by their own perspectives. So him thinking he's doing the right thing doesn't really matter in this analysis.
I know that some people actually believe Omni Man's speeches to Mark at the end weren't trying to convince Mark, but himself. If Mark was convinced at the same time then all the better. But the main point of the whole fragility thing was to convince himself that he is in the right, not Mark. That the Viltrumites need to conquer earth to make humanity's life better. Tying into this is his hesitation when Mark gets his powers. He realized that now that Mark had his powers ... it was time to do his duty as a Viltrumite. This is really seen when he tells Debbie that he wonders if it would have been better if Mark never had his powers. In fact one of the reasons he probably waited until Mark had his powers is because he still wanted to protect Earth, but because he knew villains frequently attacked Earth and he couldn't be everywhere. At the end the day, I sincerely believe that Omni Man did and still does care about humans.
Sooooo, got some major spoilers for that thing with Mark's powers if you're interested..... Spoilers below In the comics, Mark getting powers was a huge deal because Viltrumites tend to be slow breeders and have a relatively low population for a number of reasons. Mark getting his powers was proof that Viltrumites could breed with humans and produce new Viltrumites (sort of) which would solve the problem. If Mark hadn't developed powers, Omniman could've kept going as he was until well after his family was dead and gone without issue. However, since Mark did develop powers, Nolan knew he was honor bound to continue his mission and report that fact to his people. Basically everything falls through from there. If you notice, Nolan played nice right up until Mark got his powers and the started with the murder.
Well he at least character about humanity as a whole and some humans, Omni Man was still very willing to slaughter 100s maybe even 1000s of humans if it serves a purpose.
no thats a stretch, he cares about only Debbie and Mark the rest of humanity can die off for all he cared. There is no way someone can claim they care about humans after what he did in episode 8. You mention him hesitating in episode but what about episode 4 where he says that Debbie changed Earth from a job to a home for him meaning as soon as she is out of the picture Earth would've turned back to a job for him
@@arturzinurov2146 That's just the thing though. Omni-Man does care about *HUMANITY*. He doesn't care about individual humans unless they are close to him. Just as you or I don't care much about the loss of some skin cells, so Nolan doesn't care about the loss of some humans. In his mind it will all be better once Viltrum takes over earth, so it doesn't much matter if a few tens of thousands die here or there. This is also seen in him telling Mark not to help Titan. What happens to "some humans" isn't something that Nolan thinks should concern them. Events that threaten humanity as a whole, or at least a large enough chunk of it to be a major problem for the species as a whole, however, those he cares about. Stop the kaiju, hurl the asteroid back into space, etc. Now, this doesn't mean that he has some tender feelings for humanity, only that he sees humans as being potentially a valuable (future) part of the Viltrumite Empire. Overall, I rate Nolan as Lawful Evil. He has a goal, and is willing to do whatever is needed to bring that goal about, but is not a complete psychopath. If he were, he wouldn't have stopped at just beating Mark nearly to death.
Not sure I quite agree with all the dings. However this was a damn good deep dive into a complicated and very well thought out character and it was nice to see someone giving Nolanman the attention he deserves.
Its definitely a strength of the writing in this series that I disagreed with many of your assessments, but agree that they're perfectly valid interpretations. There's enough nuance to it that we can fundamentally disagree and still both be possibly right!
Honestly, Omni-Man is the perfect character for this show. The level of nuance to his character really saves this from being a much more generic and mean-spirited 'What if Superman was an asshole?' trope that The Boys and other media in recent years have done. *looks at the comments* Oh, uhh... You didn't think Omni-Man was the perfect character for a D&D alignment video? Think, audience, think!
Good work and all but this video does kinda expose a big flaw in your analysis. Weighting all actions equally is not a fair representation. Him playing catch with his kid does not balance out him genociding a race and that’s basically what your system does.
The comic probably gives greater context considering it has been finished, but you could only go so far because nolan is mostly stagnant with his alignment after leaving the planet.
I also notice that Neutrals have an equivalent pull as the edge cases. A Good character doing a Neutral act is equivalent to a Good character doing an Evil act, even though the latter has a much stronger affect in actual morality.
3:53 it bothers me how no one seems to notice this, but when Mark tells his parents that he has his powers, Nolan seems reluctant, like he doesn't want this to happen. After see the whole season, I can now confidently say that he didn't want this to happen, as it would mean that he has to return to the reason he was sent to Earth in the first place. The amount of difficulty he has with telling his family the truth only supports this. Then there is also his statement that his wife means nothing. Only, he said in the grand scheme of things, which means not just things like his mission, but also the world and the universe. These are things whos age is measured not in decades or centuries, not in thousands of years, but in millions and billions of years. Viltrumites live thousand of years, but not millions, nor the billions in which the universe is measured. In the grand scheme of things, He, Nolan, is insignificant, He doesn't matter. We all know this, but him saying that Debra doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things isn't him stating his own personal truth, it's him stating objective fact.
OMG, glad to see this video especially since it covers Invincible. Definitely a well thought out video and I can agree with the points you made 👍 Now to look forward to Resident Evil Village discussions and the eventual Omniman cosplay 🤩
7:18 Hate to be the Uhm Ackchually guy, but this didn't technically cause the exorcism; Cecil knew Nolan did it, any csi team worth its salt would have been able to figure that out. As cecil says in that scene, he's stalling for time, trying to figure out why nolan did it, and, presumably, constructing theoretical countermeasures. Having Darkblood making nolan nervous would only escalate the situation too rapidly.
Damien Darkblood wasn't exercised because he was thought to have killed the Guardians. He was exercised because they didn't want him poking around--Cecil wanted to be solely in control of the situation. So, I don't think you can say Omni-man is Chaotic evil for that. In fact, I'd say it was similar to him lying to cecil earlier
Start of the show: Lawful Neutral. He does things out of a sense of personal duty, and the things he does have no particular moral bend, or the“good” things he does are in equal balance with the “bad” things. End of the season: Lawful Evil. He still does things out of a sense of personal duty, but now, the “bad” things he’s done have far outweighed or outnumbered the “good” things.
He is either Lawful Neutral or Neutral Evil. The way he achieves his goals are enacted the same way a dictator and/or sociopath would. He believes his ends justify ANY and ALL means at his disposal, like a dictator, but also doesn’t do what he does out of any real malice or hatred but out of an (almost) emotionless, unfeeling necessity; like a sociopath.
Omni Man is still in Lawful Evil territory but pretty near Lawful Neutral as while he killed a lot of victims in a brutal ways and killed like more than a million, he later saved Earth which is a very huge heroic action to prevent him from being at the bottom but he still has more villainous qualities than heroic qualities.
10/10 your character analysis of Nolan is spot on. Great work as always. The struggle between who Nolan WANTS to be and who his Viltrimite upbringing tells him he HAS to be is one of the cornerstones of his character. Its what makes his redemption arc the highlight of the series.
I believe he is lawful good through and through. Humans.are.just goblins to him, no LG character ever held his hand on crushing goblins. The fact he feels bad after all supports that.
I don’t think the logic holds up here, if you’re killing Goblins it’s typically because they in some way pose a clear and present threat or are doing something actively harmful to you or some patron. If you walked into a village where all the residents are goblins and they’re just farming and you just starting beating a goblin farmer to death in front of their crying children it doesn’t make it morally more just, that’s the logic of a freaking beholder and they aren’t Lawful Good.
That bruh moment when Omni-man playing baseball with his son has the same weight on this chart as murdering the guardians of the globe Why doesnt that episode 1 twist count a lot more than the other stuff he did in episode one?
I would say he is very much lawful neutral. He has a line that he draws with his loyalty to his values that he truly holds. However his values change because of his time on earth. Especially throughout the comics he becomes much more good to the point where he leads a rebellion against the viltrum empire. You could argue that he may have almost redeemed himself when his heart finally gave out after giving up his long life for the good of the universe.
Hey great video as always. Have you considered trying your hands at the Red Hood? I doubt it's an original comment, but it'd be cool to keep with the super hero alignment theme on the channel and I'd like to see your thoughts on his actions.
I'm new to your channel so I was a bit taken aback by the scene-by-scene, play-by-play alignment breakdown and I think it is interesting, but it is contrary to how I see alignment working in fantasy/fiction genres. To me it alignment speaks to the ethos or purpose of the character/person. In the case of Omni-man, his purpose and reason for being is to take over Earth and what guides all of his actions are this creed/oath and he is squarely Lawful Evil; HOWEVER, people are not just one alignment all the time obviously and things that happen to you/them affect your purpose or reason for being and shifts can happen. So to break down scene by scene is interesting, but I'm not sure if it's really saying much. I think he is squarely Lawful Evil until the "Think Mark Think" scene where he flies away instead of killing his son, essentially calling in question his reason for being and his decision to leave. And at the end of the season, we are left wondering what he will do next and I find myself thinking he is more Chaotic or Neutral in that moment (as you pointed out) because he has gone against the Viltrumite way, and dare I saw no longer Lawful in the eyes of his people - or even to his own code.
Long criticism. Please read. I'd love to open the dialog on this one. (Prewatching argument) I think that if you want to break this down into something more interesting we have to declare who makes the alignment. It's easy to say that "I'm going this for a reason I think is good so it's good." But that's just egoism and when we talk about egoism most people tend to think that it isn't a very good moral philosophy. I usually say what do the gods think your character's alignment would be? This usually makes sense in Lore because we have the convince of pointing at the god of good. (Who is usually a rule utilitarian or some shit) and say the closer you get to his creed the more "Lawful good" you are. (Post watching argument) Deception at the start is a good thing? Trying to make up for beating your kid is good? How is the recovery thing Lawful good too!? Any time we talk about training mark as a good thing it's not. He's trying to have a second super soldier to enslave or eradicate the earth. How did you miss that? then at the grave he again deceives people and you call that lawful neutral? lol and this "Can't send people to hell" thing. Really funny, by this logic your lawful good character so far is allowed to kill super heroes, his fellow brothers in arms, but not fucking demons. I'd say that killing immortal again could be self defense and it kinda seemed like he wanted to talk a little? Maybe could have been a neutral action. I wish you made stronger arguments in this video. If you try to sympathize with someone of course you're going to end up calling them a nicer alignment then what they are. But the cold hard truth is he works for a fascistic empire that is colonizing the galaxy. He has no value for life that isn't of his fellow people (Racisms bad) and is willing to do anything for them. (fascism bad. Helping Fascism, also bad) Even if a well written conflicted character is battling with there desire to do good but constantly does bad they do not get redeemed by the unknowable ideas in there head. The ends don't justify the means. You are the means. Other people in the fiction can only judge him by his actions. (D&D advice) Really I think for the sake of your own table you should establish where does the alignment come from and who sets it. Personally I bad either good or evil alignments [Except for chaotic good and lawful evil because usually those characters can mix into any party alignment] I just don't like quick PVP in my games though so to each there own. But I promise knowing where the alignment comes from and by whos metric your actions are being judged is really fun when the demons don't want to get banished to hell. Going against the will of your gods and not damning them would be evil, but against utilitarianism (which as a said before I like to say lawful good gods are). Now your god is a hypocrite and your villains sympathetic and chaotic evil. Look. Go with whatever you want. Don't have lawful good characters do genocides, unless maybe god tells them to but then point that your god is a dick and maybe you need a new god or something. idc. just this is my pet peeves
I think this episode shows the worst example of why the ding ding section needs to have a massive adjustment to the magnitude of the adjustments to alignment for some acts. Taking his son out for a shoping trip and playing ball effectively countered out literally killing billions of people. Might want to change that going forward
that has been a huge problem with his analysis is that he treats every action equally which is hontestly stupid there are actions that are clearly far worse than others
@@about50pyros55 I know it has happened before, but this is the most horrifically terrible example of this so far. I enjoy this show over all, but every time something that should absolutely rocket someone across the chart is treated the same as the most casual possible action, it really makes it harder to take seriously.
welp, just found out these kind of videos exist, never imagined on deducting a character's DnD alignment based on the show could get this interesting, just a couple things I noticed. First you set as Chaotic Evil to eradicate the Lmaos, but they were also very gun-ho, just popping in and firing unnarmed creatures that couldn't even fight back, so, that would make them chaotic evil, I guess, so eliminating chaotic evil foes doesn't count towards the good alignment, or is the scale to where he took the "cleansing" what takes the alignment to chaotic evil? Also, Darkblood wasn't really a suspect, Cecil just didn't want him poking around, forcing Omniman to take some drastic measure before they were prepared to deal with him, the fact Omniman was pinning the blame on him was just convenient for both.
I think you should define what each catergory means and what actions would need to be taken for the tag of lawful good or neutral etc. Cause in most cases of lawful good, you could say he's actually just lawful neutral. Maybe he is doing good, but from omniman's pov, he is just doing what is necessary for the mission he needs t odo. Which would make him Lawful neutral. He adheres to his own personal sect of dogmas and acts upon them. Lawful Good is kind of like a paladin goody two shoes, who does what is right even if it's the harder decision. I would argue that Omni man is just Lawful neutral. He has no hatred of the humans inherently, he just needs to fulfill his mission and will do whatever it takes to fulfill it. If that's killing the Guaridans, lying to his family and everyone else, and training mark. Every single action was to fulfill his mission regardless of how he felt internally. In the beginning he was a Lawful neutral Character, then I would say he became a broken Lawful Neutral character after the fight with mark and going more towards Neutral neutral when he decides to not kill mark and abandon his post and become a deserter and then neutral good.
Great video. Just subbed! I also finished RE Village last week and want to hear your take on Ethan-the lovable hero who’s kinda..lacking, intellectually (which is my way of respectfully calling him dumb)
Dude your videos have been growing with these mainstream and modern characters. I'm happy to have found your channel and am delighted to see your older content! 100K by the end of the year!
Spoilers As someone who binge the comics after season 1. Omni-man goes through a lot of character development and we're introduced to other Viltrumites with similar inner turmoil to Omni-man and one that's embodies the viltrumite ideals and he's the absolute worst and the final issues had me on the brink of tears because of what Mark has after 500 years.
I don't think Damian Darkblood was pinned for the murder of the Guardians, Cecil exorcizes Damian because he didn't stop investigating Nolan after Cecil told him to. Cecil wants Damian gone because if he puts too much pressure on Nolan he might snap before Cecil can get anything prepared for fighting Nolan or finish his own investigation.
This is relative to Humans, so at the start of the series, he's Lawful Good. Relative to Humans. He's not human, but he's from a Lawful Evil society. (Basically totalitarian Space Nazis.) All Alignment is Relative, mostly to the Victim. You can't really let the Offender decide what's right, or wrong. However, I have to point out that Omniman's Alignment didn't change, at all. Only relative to Humans, at the beginning he was still the empathic Protector, but he never stopped being Viltrumite. He just didn't ACT Viltrumite, Toward Humans. If he went ahead and conquered Qo'noS first, that would still be Good, because the Klingons are a threat to Humans. The enemy of our enemy is our friend, until he's our enemy.
D&D is morally problematic, because it has the "Evil Races." Trolls, Ogres, Orcs, Goblins, Dark Elves, Dragons... I don't have to point out that's Racist, but you've also got the animosity between Elves, and Dwarves. Just to strip the Racism out of it, treat them as 2 different Nations. Ask the Dwarves if the Elves are evil, and you'll get a history lesson on everything the Elves did to them. Ask the Elves if Dwarves are evil, and I just bet you won't hear any of the Atrocites that the Dwarves remembered.
I feel like overall, he is a lawful good sliding into chaotic good, at least in a psychological way. Everything he does is out of his own sense of morality.
I'd argue his attack on the Flaxians is Lawful Evil, since he is saying earth is not theirs to conquer because he believes it is Viltrum's to conquer. So, from his perspective, destroying them is the Viltrumite way for two reasons. First, if the Flaxians are conquerors, obviously they are opposed to the Viltrumites by default, so he is just taking the logical conclusion of their eventual meeting to its logical end. Second, well, keeping them from trying to conquer earth is in service to the Viltrumite takeover of earth.
My one issue with this video is a bunch of his evil moments you kinda ticked off as one evil "pip". Effectively equating Nolan killing each member of the guardians with punching his son to hard during training. Those 2 things are just not equal.
The thing is, him doing all the chaotic evil things (on earth, and from what I’ve seen/read. Not that far into the comics) began only when Mark began gaining his powers. Hence why he said are you sure in response to the news. Deep down he wanted mark ti be a regular human because he loved his life on earth.
Fundamental point of contention with this, Alignment is based more on a character's motivations than their actions. Actions can indicate their alignment, but if their motivations remain consistent, their alignment doesn't change. For an action to indicate a change in alignment, it has to be something so out of the norm that it indicates a change in their motivations. Good/Evil actions on their own are not enough to change someone out of a neutral alignment, their base motivation for doing what they do has to change. For example: All of his actions up until the season finale are an illustration of his alignment, with his motivations underneath. Sure he's a good father, or tries to be, but one could be chaotic evil and still manage that. sure he killed the guardians, but you probably could have come up with a lawful good reason to do that (cecil, for instance, is chaotic good, because, while he has no real code, everything he does is for the greater good of Earth, even though he did some nasty shit). The thing becomes, Nolan's motivation doesn't change throughout the entire first season up until the finale; he does what he's been told to do, because it's his job. That, to me, is an indicator of being lawful neutral. At the finale, he finally does something (which you referred to as a nat 20 moment) so out of character for him up until this point that it indicates that his motivations have shifted, or at least that he's finally realized/acknowledged it. It's not a moment that catapults him into "Good" territory (because his new motivation is his family, which is really a neutral motivation because it comes from personal attachment) but because he abandons his duty to the viltrumite empire it's enough to push him to true neutral and possibly all the way to chaotic neutral ( I only say possibly because of the next time we see him in the comics, otherwise I would plant him solidly in "chaotic") TL,DR a person's motivations have to change for their alignment to change. Evil characters can perform good actions, if the motivations behind it are still evil, and visa versa. Actions are almost irrelevant until they're so out of character that one's motivations MUST have changed in order for them to do what they just did. MY assessment of Omni-Man would have been solidly lawful neutral until the finale, where he switches to true or chaotic neutral.
5:35 Lying to buy time for your long term plans is not chaotic neutral, it’s lawful. Lawful is not guileless. Truth is reliably, it remains predictable, lies are just more volatile, but so is swinging a sword, Lawful character tend not to lie because they have either learned they are dangerous to the liar, follows a belief set that has warned against lying, or knows that it is also more powerful if lies are rare and unexpected. Depending on context if a character sees lies as making the liar weaker it can be a lawful or chaotic reason to tell the truth.
minor counterpoint to lawful good as Nolan's starting point; in his mind he is simply following orders and doing his job the entire time. He isn't doing it to be good or to be evil, or because he doesn't care about life or because he does care about human life, he just is doing it. As such, I'd put him as Lawful Neutral. Good deeds done in the spirit of deception doesn't make someone a good person, but he does more good things than is strictly necessary for his lie to work. Also, you wouldn't call a farmer good or evil for butchering their cattle for meat, they are just doing their job. That's how I think Nolan views what he is doing. He is feeding the earth first, to butcher it later as necessary.
He strikes me as Lawful Neutral, spanning to Chaotic Evil when he begins to feel conflicted and becomes dangerous as he needs to prove to himself he still can be ruthless and merciless like he was raised.
Omni-Man, since he had to do his job, is like a Lawful Good Paladin that ceases to be good and willfully commits an evil act, thus becoming a Fallen Paladin, violates the paladin code of conduct.
Seeing this I wanted to like make a sort of small long form comment talking about where you started him and where he ended up. So I'll do like a couple of enters to put it behind a read more spoiler mark ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** ***SPOILERS*** Omni-man's comparison of his own wife to a pet made me think about the whole 'liking' saving people and I feel like a sort of apt comparison would be seeing them as like pet fish in a bowl, we live immensely longer than them, by comparison we're these sort of immortal monsters and that's sort of the separation he had from his earth protector role it feels. He did it honorably but not out of pure selflessness in my opinion making a sort of lawful neutral a more accurate starting point for him.
I think the scene when he refers to his wife as a pet really encompasses the way he feels, and kind of gets overlooked because we see it as offensive. My cat is my pet. I will live a lot longer than my cat, I am aware that in a decade my cat will be dead and in another decade I might have another cat or I might have moved on so far from that time in my life that I barely ever think about my cat. My cat's a pet. But if I got home and my cat was dead, I would be devastated. If my cat got hurt, I would drain my savings account to try to make it feel better. I love my cat, I'm emotionally tied to my cat, my cat makes me happy, but none of those things mean that my cat is not just a pet.
I like the way Omniman is a smart villain. He isn't in it for the evulz, he mostly doesn't kill for fun. He just sees his species as superior, that might equals right, and if you are in the way, you deserve what he does to you. Which ultimately means everyone else united against his species and drove them close to extinction. He is smart, he is strategic and brave, he's never lazy about his power like Homelander. I like the animation of a Homelander versus Omniman battle which shows how Homelander relies on being able to shock him with atrocity, but Omniman curbstomps him because his kind are used to atrocity - after all, they killed most of their own kind. He's lived through near death experiences from many wars, and each time has come back stronger. He knows pain to a level most humans would be broken by. He's not just physically tough, but battle hardened psychologically - calm under pressure, accepting of the death of his family but quite willing to take the pain he feels and dish it out to an enemy, so that the one who hurt him knows not just physical torment, but despair, as he dies. While quite a few Viltrumites are the more traditional villain types, there's a few who are rational and disciplined about it, and as we see, will pursue a strategy over centuries if need be. If it is deemed necessary, they will be peaceful, and even marry humans, despite them being disgustingly weak by their standards. They just aren't the typical supervillains. I really appreciate that.
I see him as a hardcore dedicate lawful neutral character start to finish. The only real conflict he had was his duty to his people (nation) vs (family) both of which are LN allegiances, and if it sticks to the comics then he also had (national) duty towards preserving his family (or at least Mark) for reasons I will speak no more of here.
I can see the argument for lawful good. he means well, he's doing whatever messed up crap he's doing for what he believes is the best case scenario. thus, at least to himself, he is indeed lawful good.
Odd as it might be, I _think_ the majority of Nolan’s killings would count towards him being more lawful than chaotic, as they’re definitely in-line with his mission’s parameters. Even twisting the notion until it creaks, a portion of them are “self-defense” with non-lethal options turned off (while he would basically be fine, those that oppose him would definitely continue to try and stop him if he doesn’t kill them).
To be honest I see Nolan at the beginning of episode 1 as Neutral Good. Even though he is a hero, he doesn’t exactly play by the rules. And Cecil himself saying that Nolan doesn’t like following his orders (since Nolan doesn’t see him as his superior in both power and his allegiance to Viltrum)
There’s one other aspect that’s kind of important to remember with the fight between Omniman and his son. Omniman knows how resilient his species is, he knows what he, and by extension his son can live through. Does it make it better, but it explains why he is so brutal in that fight, and yet it has nothing to do with what stopped him.
BTW He was probably going to wait out Mark's and Debbie's lives to start but then Mark got his powers, which means he has to do this now or Mark grows stronger than him one day, doing it now would give him the best time to explain or get away with his mission. The day mark get's his powers is the day Nolan had to take his job seriously hence the "Maybe it would be better if he never got his powers" line.
I feel like Omni-man is Lawful Good. He is definitely the Templar trope to a T. He believes he is right and just in imposing the Empire's Laws for the Good of the people they rule. They will be uplifted by the grace of the Empire. They will have better lives. As long as they submit to what is in their best interest. The line between whether someone sees that as Good or Evil depends on a lot of factors.
The problem with that assumption is that Hitler didn't want to rule over everyone, for the good of everyone. He only wanted to rule over his ideal Aryan people, and kill everyone else. Omni-man doesn't want to kill everyone and only rule over the Viltrumite race. Sure, the Viltrumites will probably be the ruling caste, with everyone under them. But the idea is to uplift everyone into their collective empire. As such, Hitler is Lawful Evil.
So basically Omni-Man was a good person until he realized he had to do his job... That's dark
Thats Reality and that could be applied to most people, cops, teachers, etc
Honestly, there is a little more to it. If you compare how he killed the Guardian of the Goble in the comics to the series, you can see that if he had to fight against them like he did in the animated series, he would not be able to do it. He was fond of them, that's why he had to make it quick, painless and most importantly, mindless.
If he had a single thoght while fighting against them, he simply wouldn't kill them. He isn't a psychopat.
OmniMan: Oh damn, I have been procrastinating for 17 years, I better get back to work.
@@aurarookie2293 that's not really the case I don't think, nolan doesn't give a shit about humans, he would probably kill them all if it weren't for the fact mark and Debby are from there
@@funnelingspace9268 Before he didn't give a fuck. But I was also refering the comics, so I have a little more knowledge than the animated series about the future. He actually changes and starts to care about earth and *spoilers*. But someone can't just forget their origins and the ways that raised them. This kind of conflict can cause a mental breakdown, which is what i believe started to happen to Nolan (also, it is important to remenber that earth was his first and only solo conquering mission) after he killed the guardians of the goble, and when Mark and Debby found out, well... the 'straw that broke the camel's back', you know?
I feel like Nolan character gives good pointers for how to play a paladin who secretly works for the BBEG.
I think it's more of a fighter? since he lacks any special power outside of pure brute strength (and flight, but it's still just his own physical prowess)
@@rompevuevitos222
I'm talking more about the roleplay aspects of it rather than mechanics. Which is why I'd say paladin, due to the main conflict for Nolan being between his love for his family and his loyalty to his people.
Mechanically speaking though, a level 20 elf(the slow aging) totem barbarian (2 bear and the flight from eagle) with the fighting initiate feat for unarmed fighting would probably work for an ancient species of kryptonian-lite Social Darwinists.
@@cecilusbrize4679 That makes sense
What's BBEG?
@@darthsader7089
Big Bad Evil Guy/Girl
The main/major villain of the campaign.
Is the reason he wasn’t happy about mark getting his powers because he had an excuse to act like a human until mark got his powers, so he was hoping mark never did?
.... damn....
If Mark stayed human...he and Debbie would have died in a few short decades, leaving Nolan to continue his mission without them seeing it.
Remember when Nolan said that he loves Debbie like a pet? Have you ever had a pet? You know going into it that you'll outlive them, but you'll never want to think about that because you genuinely DO love them. And when they die, you're crushed, because they were your family. If Mark never got his powers, then he'd be able to live the rest of her life out on Earth, and THEN complete his mission.
But the fact that Mark has full Viltrumite powers means that Earth could basically become a breeding camp for viltrumites.
yup, once mark got his powers he knew the game was up, he secretly hoped marked would never get them.
@@GSSAGE7 unless you own a tortoise which will probably outlive you
Viltrumite is a joke. It sounds like philtrum which is the part of the lip under your nose... the part where a mustache grows. As you meet more Viltrumites you'll notice they all sport 'staches.
I did not know that!!
No...That can't be true...THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!!!
:D
also could be a subtle dc reference in that the daxamites basically were vitrumites, that everyone thought were kryptonians at first.
Edit: name correction thanks john.
@@saqwana25 Daxamites
the comics does this hilariously, but the animated adaptation made viltrumites a lot more ethnically varied to make them resemble humans more, so maybe we'll see it with some "important people", but not to the level of the comics
"...sending him to literally the worst place imaginable!"
(ad starts)
"VACATION!"
Hank Hill: NnnNNNnnOOoooOOOo
HAHAHAHAH!! That's hilarious xD
Same thing happened to me but with a Raid Shadow Legends ad
I got a restaurant ad at the same point lol.
I got a cracker barrel commercial
Okay, point of order. You moved him the same distance for "playing catch with his son" and "brutally murdering the guardians" which I gotta say are not equivalent actions.
it seems like he moves the same distance for all of the actions, including killing thousands of people
Plus, he's using his interpretation of the alignment system. In D&D he would definitely be evil, or barely neutral.
@@blobjorn3248 lawful neutral. He still has a bit of honor, albeit twisted and more for his home planet than earth and he does struggle with the culture shock he received from Earth. It's not like he ignored it and just freaking brutalized Mark into a complete vegetable and then gave Earth to Viltrum. Which....honestly would've been easy for him at that point.
Similar to how genociding an entire planet barely moved his alignment.
is say a paladin evil for suplexing bandits so their brains splat on the pavement? its not always the violence which determines how good or evil something is. From Nolans point of view this is right and what has to be done, its not done completely out of malice but for duty.
Nolan is a good character at heart but the grim duty and reality of upbringing makes him at times to some crazy shit.
I'd argue that the whole planet destruction of alien invaders would be Lawful Evil, it's him following the laws of his duty, not allowing it to be conquered by anyone else.
Your right that its part of his mission to conquer earth. But clearly he enjoys exercising the full extent of his power, and possibly he would have done the same on earth if his mission were different. That cruel streak speaks more to Chaos than to Law.
agree. Possibly lawful neutral. He is just doing his duty protecting the planet already claimed by His peoples Empire.
@@caad5258 Plenty of lawful evil people are cruel and enjoy being so. Most lawful evil people join authoritarian organizations and governments BECAUSE it allows them to be cruel to undesirables.
not really because it's not really a "whole planet" it's more like a tiny political movement/cult that slaughtered the rest of their own population. Which is actually why they go out scouting the universe for breeding stock and the events of the series.
I’m just gonna say with the Damien dark blood thing
Cecil knew, or had a pretty good feeling the Omni did it, he gave darkblood the boot because he couldn’t have darkblood
Setting off Omni.
Doesn't help that the demon explicitly disobeyed Cecil's orders.
@@OneEyeShadow He wasn't working for cecil though
The intent by nolan was still the same though.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 nah, iirc, Nolan doesn’t find out about Damien until later. He had nothing to do with Damien being sent to hell
I just feel like he could have just sent him to jail or something, sending him back to hell was so overkill.
You expected comments that don't joke about being early?
Think Audience Think
Where did the second think come from?
@@rosanirodrigues557 It's the original line from the comic book issue 12. That plus the Mandela effect.
Think, The Loading Crew, Think! Of course we expected you to meme the hell out of this!
Anyway, Omni-Man’s alignment is chaotic anti Spider-Man.
Oh hey I’m one of the people who guessed it was Omni-Man in the Loki vid.
Take that information as you will.
Huh. You're right. Great power means no responsibility when no one can face you head on.
As of right now in the show? Lawful Evil most likely. Beginning of the show I think he's mellowed out enough to be Lawful Neutral, I mean he's been on Earth 20 years and seemed fine until he realized "shit now I gotta start doing my job. FUCK!"
He wasn't just sitting waiting he spent that time gathering intel and gaining trust in order to prepare the planet for an invasion by space nazis. This is not what I would describe as "mellowed out"
@@georgelilly1847 The comic explain that his main mission on earth was to eliminate the competitors also trying to conquer the world. "Stabilise" the planet for occupation. Hence his statement "This planet isn't yours to conquer".
Subtle conquest is not needed when an individual vitrumite is so powerful enough to genocide an advanced alien civilization solo.
In the comics he started off beating up kaijus monsters simply as his primary mission, then he met his wife, then later he started meeting actual superheroes. Technically he should have eliminated the heroes back then but marriage probably made him put it off for later.
Mark getting his powers is important as it gave an excuse to stall the mission. There was a hidden reason why vitrumites want to conquer planets but that is spoilers.
as an earthling, lawful evil... but he's not human, as a viltrumite, lawful good. he honestly believes what he is doing is for the benefit of all humans on earth. viltrumites have cured cancer, ended dieses, hunger, poverty. in his mind, and in many people in the real worlds minds, he is willing to kill a few people to insure that all humans on earth have a better life down the road. this is definitively a good mindset.
at the same time, while he doesn't care much for earth's societal rules, he does follow nearly to the letter the rules of viltrum society. which is obviously lawful.
so in the same way that a lawful good paladin can bust in a goblins head while it prays to it's god and still be lawful good, Omni-man has no problems killing a few dozen people to add billions to his empire.
@@NoESanity Gotta disagree. Omniman was serving a plan that is literally, conquer Earth and make humanity subservient to another civilization. This violates their free will and that is wrong. Self-justification only goes so far in preserving a good alignment. A Lawful Good Paladin smashing in Goblin skulls isn't doing it while saying "this is for your benefit" and if he is Lawful Good, he's only doing that because as far as he's aware, the Goblins antagonized whatever locals sent the Paladin their way. Omniman on the other hand, is an invader seeking to destabilize a planet so that his people can come in, "save the day" and then annex them.
@@NoESanity so by that logic you would also consider literal nazis to be lawful good, because from their perspective ethnicly cleansing the world would bring about world peace.
I think judging someone's alignment (or ethics for that matter) only from their perspective is fundamentally flawed. The vast majority of characters believe their actions are at least justified if not morally correct.
You can't just hand wave the murder of millions because he thinks he has a good reason
I think part of what makes Omni Man stand out is that despite being a planetary level threat, he's not written as a destroyer or even as a conqueror, but as a soldier. He never takes joy in his violence and he does care for his family and the rest of humanity, but at the end of the day he's still in enemy territory and he has to complete his mission.
SPOILER FOR THE COMIC SERIES (and potentially future seasons of the show)
I don't know if your word choice is just coincidental, but the comments about "planetary level threat" and "destroyer" are ironic given later events. About halfway through the comic series, Omni-man, Invincible, Allen, and a small handful of other comparably powerful characters work together to obliterate an entire planet in what looks like under a minute flat.
@@Pope_of_the_Church_of_Tea RESPONSE TO SPOILERED COMMENT ABOVE
It was coincidental, but I'm glad to see that my general assessment was right on the money.
Idk what everyone is saying, he's clearly Lawful Good!
Anyway, gonna finish the first episode if you'll excuse me :p
"They had us in the first half, not gonna lie"
And then you read the comic and realize yeah he’s lawful good
@@Astronopolis definitely. After reading the comics he couldnt be anything else
Wouldn't go that far. At best I would say he becomes lawful neutral in the comics.
@@fightingmedialounge519 nah, LG at the end. Worked hard to correct he wrong doings - check-.
Spared his most dangerous rival, altough he would have been justifed to kill him - check.
Asked bit did not comanned the other viltrumites to fight Thragg (commanding would have LN).
I like that they used the laser satellite design from Akira (in homage), since their space laser scene is the exact same, for the same in-universe and narrative purpose =)
I would argue Lawful Neutral over good as a starting point purely because of his motivation for being a hero.
He's arrived on a planet that has its own heroes. A lot of them. He needs to blend in and see what they can do so he knows if he can take them or not. He barely managed to beat all of the Guardians together. If he hadn't had 20 years to study them, he would have lost. And he had to take them down all at once, or somebody might figure him out before he was finished.
Yes, Debbie does get him feeling positive emotions, and he's a good father for the most part, but he's still pretty much just there to do his job until Mark comes along and changes everything for him.
Right, he isn't being a hero to save people, that is just a side-effect. Kinda like how my evil characters still often do "good" things but the motivation is so that suspicion will fall of them so they can do what they actually want to do...which is evil things.
@@ShiningDarknes In a way, he is in it to save people. Just not individual people. He believes that being part of the empire is the best thing for the people of earth. This is why he's not on the Evil spectrum to start. But he's still ready, willing, and able to do horrific things to make it happen, which is why he's not good either.
@@danieltilson4053 It is a "greater good" situation and that is almost always neutral thought process.
But Nolan is doing this for the survival of his own species. Even if it's not pretty and glamorous and we might not like it since it's at our cost, but it is for their survival.
@@nickelakon5369 in the comics, yes. But in the anime/cartoon, they haven't explored that at all. So in the context of the show, he is doing this purely to expand the empire, for the greater good.
I really enjoyed the take on the "superman" character and this was a fantastic analysis~
I like how it has its cake and eats it too on exploring the superman idea... cause tho in the eyes of the Public Omniman is the superman role... character wise, his son is the Clark Kent, the heroic optimist
I came for the Invincible meme, I stayed for the Whiplash edit.
As a comic reader this is a great and imo accurate interpretation of Nolan's character.
I think killing the guardians deserves more than ontick of evil.
The "genocide this entire species of aliens" too.
At least two ticks
Him killing the Guardians was him just "doing his job". They were a major threat to his people's conquest. Its bad but he wasn't enjoying himself or terrorizing them. It was really a less evil act than others he commits. Genociding the aliens on the other hand......
Guardians of the Globe were Earths main force against evil and disasters. Without them they werent just not there to prevent the Viltrumite invasion: he ripped away every opportunity to potentially save lives and prevent destruction from then on after killing them. Regardless if it was his duty that's evil as all fuck.
Jake Theberge
That is pretty much the definition of Lawful Evil.
Nolan didn't blame darkblood he was exercised to prevent him from provoking Nolan he really just threatened him nothing else
Actually Cecil frames it as "Nolan told us what you're doing. I know he's bullshitting us and you're right, but I already told you to stop so you're going back to hell before you piss him off and he kills us all."
He did cause his exorcism by incriminating him, that's evil
Even if it was for personal gain (and that gain was also evil so...)
@@rompevuevitos222 no he didnt lol. Cecil knows omniman did it, cecil excisses darkblood because darkblood was going to expose omniman and force the fight with omni man right now. Cecil needed time to find a way to fight omni man so he banished darkblood all on his own. Omni man wasnt really involved at all, cecil literally explains all of this in the show.
Was hoping to see this! As someone who couldn't help himself and spoiled the hell out of Invincible for myself, I'm interested in seeing what the show changes from the comics and how Omni-Man's journey plays out in the show.
I actually really like this "alignment point wheel" system as a concept, because it shows how you can sometimes act in a way that completely goes against your alignment while overall maintaining a consistent alignment.
Guessing it now, Lawful Evil. One of the best examples of Lawful Evil I’ve seen in recent media. MAYBE Lawful Neutral if you think he’s “just” following the Viltrum empire.
Edit: ehhhhhhhhhhh it’s hard to argue a lot of the things he does as lawful good since that’s what he does BECAUSE of the limelight he’s in. When he’s alone with Mark or on his own, it’s a much better representation of the real him.
i'd argue in his mind, lawful good. by adding earth to the empire, he'd be ending so many problems that kill millions of humans every year. an end to starvation, illness, war, protection from aliens and monsters. all in all his acts would be lawful good in his own eyes.
especially since this is just season 1, and we don't have some of the other things like realizing how op human viltrumite hybrids are.
These videos aren't really judging characters by their own perspectives. So him thinking he's doing the right thing doesn't really matter in this analysis.
I know that some people actually believe Omni Man's speeches to Mark at the end weren't trying to convince Mark, but himself. If Mark was convinced at the same time then all the better. But the main point of the whole fragility thing was to convince himself that he is in the right, not Mark. That the Viltrumites need to conquer earth to make humanity's life better. Tying into this is his hesitation when Mark gets his powers. He realized that now that Mark had his powers ... it was time to do his duty as a Viltrumite. This is really seen when he tells Debbie that he wonders if it would have been better if Mark never had his powers. In fact one of the reasons he probably waited until Mark had his powers is because he still wanted to protect Earth, but because he knew villains frequently attacked Earth and he couldn't be everywhere. At the end the day, I sincerely believe that Omni Man did and still does care about humans.
Sooooo, got some major spoilers for that thing with Mark's powers if you're interested.....
Spoilers below
In the comics, Mark getting powers was a huge deal because Viltrumites tend to be slow breeders and have a relatively low population for a number of reasons. Mark getting his powers was proof that Viltrumites could breed with humans and produce new Viltrumites (sort of) which would solve the problem. If Mark hadn't developed powers, Omniman could've kept going as he was until well after his family was dead and gone without issue. However, since Mark did develop powers, Nolan knew he was honor bound to continue his mission and report that fact to his people. Basically everything falls through from there. If you notice, Nolan played nice right up until Mark got his powers and the started with the murder.
Well he at least character about humanity as a whole and some humans, Omni Man was still very willing to slaughter 100s maybe even 1000s of humans if it serves a purpose.
no thats a stretch, he cares about only Debbie and Mark the rest of humanity can die off for all he cared. There is no way someone can claim they care about humans after what he did in episode 8. You mention him hesitating in episode but what about episode 4 where he says that Debbie changed Earth from a job to a home for him meaning as soon as she is out of the picture Earth would've turned back to a job for him
Omni-man is on a redemption arc. Will sacrifice himself to save mark...
@@arturzinurov2146 That's just the thing though. Omni-Man does care about *HUMANITY*. He doesn't care about individual humans unless they are close to him. Just as you or I don't care much about the loss of some skin cells, so Nolan doesn't care about the loss of some humans. In his mind it will all be better once Viltrum takes over earth, so it doesn't much matter if a few tens of thousands die here or there.
This is also seen in him telling Mark not to help Titan. What happens to "some humans" isn't something that Nolan thinks should concern them. Events that threaten humanity as a whole, or at least a large enough chunk of it to be a major problem for the species as a whole, however, those he cares about. Stop the kaiju, hurl the asteroid back into space, etc.
Now, this doesn't mean that he has some tender feelings for humanity, only that he sees humans as being potentially a valuable (future) part of the Viltrumite Empire.
Overall, I rate Nolan as Lawful Evil. He has a goal, and is willing to do whatever is needed to bring that goal about, but is not a complete psychopath. If he were, he wouldn't have stopped at just beating Mark nearly to death.
Not sure I quite agree with all the dings. However this was a damn good deep dive into a complicated and very well thought out character and it was nice to see someone giving Nolanman the attention he deserves.
Its definitely a strength of the writing in this series that I disagreed with many of your assessments, but agree that they're perfectly valid interpretations. There's enough nuance to it that we can fundamentally disagree and still both be possibly right!
Honestly, Omni-Man is the perfect character for this show. The level of nuance to his character really saves this from being a much more generic and mean-spirited 'What if Superman was an asshole?' trope that The Boys and other media in recent years have done.
*looks at the comments* Oh, uhh...
You didn't think Omni-Man was the perfect character for a D&D alignment video?
Think, audience, think!
The difference between Omni-Man and Honelander is quite staggering and makes me appreciate Omni-Man as a character a lot more.
Imma bet lawful evil, with a small ding towards good near the end
Good work and all but this video does kinda expose a big flaw in your analysis. Weighting all actions equally is not a fair representation. Him playing catch with his kid does not balance out him genociding a race and that’s basically what your system does.
The comic probably gives greater context considering it has been finished, but you could only go so far because nolan is mostly stagnant with his alignment after leaving the planet.
Its total bullcrap. Killing 30 people but saying 32 nice things to mark = GOOD GUY?!?!
Fuck off
@@jamesverner9132 He kinda helped save earth, and Mark, multiple times. But he's still done shitty stuff.
@@jamesverner9132 perspective is king. Theres no such thing as objective morality.
I also notice that Neutrals have an equivalent pull as the edge cases. A Good character doing a Neutral act is equivalent to a Good character doing an Evil act, even though the latter has a much stronger affect in actual morality.
Dang that was a good opening.
3:53 it bothers me how no one seems to notice this, but when Mark tells his parents that he has his powers, Nolan seems reluctant, like he doesn't want this to happen. After see the whole season, I can now confidently say that he didn't want this to happen, as it would mean that he has to return to the reason he was sent to Earth in the first place. The amount of difficulty he has with telling his family the truth only supports this. Then there is also his statement that his wife means nothing. Only, he said in the grand scheme of things, which means not just things like his mission, but also the world and the universe. These are things whos age is measured not in decades or centuries, not in thousands of years, but in millions and billions of years. Viltrumites live thousand of years, but not millions, nor the billions in which the universe is measured. In the grand scheme of things, He, Nolan, is insignificant, He doesn't matter. We all know this, but him saying that Debra doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things isn't him stating his own personal truth, it's him stating objective fact.
Plenty of people have noticed it.
OMG, glad to see this video especially since it covers Invincible. Definitely a well thought out video and I can agree with the points you made 👍
Now to look forward to Resident Evil Village discussions and the eventual Omniman cosplay 🤩
7:18 Hate to be the Uhm Ackchually guy, but this didn't technically cause the exorcism; Cecil knew Nolan did it, any csi team worth its salt would have been able to figure that out. As cecil says in that scene, he's stalling for time, trying to figure out why nolan did it, and, presumably, constructing theoretical countermeasures. Having Darkblood making nolan nervous would only escalate the situation too rapidly.
yeah. I screwed up on that one
Nolan is Lawful Good...Trying to convince himself he's Lawful Evil.
Damien Darkblood wasn't exercised because he was thought to have killed the Guardians. He was exercised because they didn't want him poking around--Cecil wanted to be solely in control of the situation. So, I don't think you can say Omni-man is Chaotic evil for that. In fact, I'd say it was similar to him lying to cecil earlier
Came for the memes.
Stayed for the analysis.
I just had the funniest idea ever. The Pepsi man theme song but instead of Pepsi man, it says omniman
I like this xD
@@TheLoadingCrew it fits so well.
I do recommend reading more of the invincible comics when ya get the chance. They are really good and bring in more context
Omni-Man murders a room full of heroes.
+1 Evil Point
Omni-Man pets a puppy.
+1 Good Point
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
you got it man :)
Not gonna lie id love to see one of these on Cecil
Start of the show: Lawful Neutral. He does things out of a sense of personal duty, and the things he does have no particular moral bend, or the“good” things he does are in equal balance with the “bad” things.
End of the season: Lawful Evil. He still does things out of a sense of personal duty, but now, the “bad” things he’s done have far outweighed or outnumbered the “good” things.
He is either Lawful Neutral or Neutral Evil. The way he achieves his goals are enacted the same way a dictator and/or sociopath would. He believes his ends justify ANY and ALL means at his disposal, like a dictator, but also doesn’t do what he does out of any real malice or hatred but out of an (almost) emotionless, unfeeling necessity; like a sociopath.
Jokes on you omniman. That's EXACTLY why I clicked on this video!
Omni Man is still in Lawful Evil territory but pretty near Lawful Neutral as while he killed a lot of victims in a brutal ways and killed like more than a million, he later saved Earth which is a very huge heroic action to prevent him from being at the bottom but he still has more villainous qualities than heroic qualities.
10/10 your character analysis of Nolan is spot on. Great work as always. The struggle between who Nolan WANTS to be and who his Viltrimite upbringing tells him he HAS to be is one of the cornerstones of his character. Its what makes his redemption arc the highlight of the series.
I believe he is lawful good through and through. Humans.are.just goblins to him, no LG character ever held his hand on crushing goblins. The fact he feels bad after all supports that.
I don’t think the logic holds up here, if you’re killing Goblins it’s typically because they in some way pose a clear and present threat or are doing something actively harmful to you or some patron. If you walked into a village where all the residents are goblins and they’re just farming and you just starting beating a goblin farmer to death in front of their crying children it doesn’t make it morally more just, that’s the logic of a freaking beholder and they aren’t Lawful Good.
That bruh moment when Omni-man playing baseball with his son has the same weight on this chart as murdering the guardians of the globe
Why doesnt that episode 1 twist count a lot more than the other stuff he did in episode one?
I would say he is very much lawful neutral. He has a line that he draws with his loyalty to his values that he truly holds. However his values change because of his time on earth. Especially throughout the comics he becomes much more good to the point where he leads a rebellion against the viltrum empire. You could argue that he may have almost redeemed himself when his heart finally gave out after giving up his long life for the good of the universe.
Hey great video as always. Have you considered trying your hands at the Red Hood? I doubt it's an original comment, but it'd be cool to keep with the super hero alignment theme on the channel and I'd like to see your thoughts on his actions.
I'm new to your channel so I was a bit taken aback by the scene-by-scene, play-by-play alignment breakdown and I think it is interesting, but it is contrary to how I see alignment working in fantasy/fiction genres. To me it alignment speaks to the ethos or purpose of the character/person. In the case of Omni-man, his purpose and reason for being is to take over Earth and what guides all of his actions are this creed/oath and he is squarely Lawful Evil; HOWEVER, people are not just one alignment all the time obviously and things that happen to you/them affect your purpose or reason for being and shifts can happen. So to break down scene by scene is interesting, but I'm not sure if it's really saying much. I think he is squarely Lawful Evil until the "Think Mark Think" scene where he flies away instead of killing his son, essentially calling in question his reason for being and his decision to leave. And at the end of the season, we are left wondering what he will do next and I find myself thinking he is more Chaotic or Neutral in that moment (as you pointed out) because he has gone against the Viltrumite way, and dare I saw no longer Lawful in the eyes of his people - or even to his own code.
First time on your channel, I like how kenpachi is chaotic neutral.
hell yeah :D hope you like the video! if you do feel free to drop another comment and I can tell ya my favorite ones
Long criticism. Please read. I'd love to open the dialog on this one.
(Prewatching argument) I think that if you want to break this down into something more interesting we have to declare who makes the alignment. It's easy to say that "I'm going this for a reason I think is good so it's good." But that's just egoism and when we talk about egoism most people tend to think that it isn't a very good moral philosophy. I usually say what do the gods think your character's alignment would be? This usually makes sense in Lore because we have the convince of pointing at the god of good. (Who is usually a rule utilitarian or some shit) and say the closer you get to his creed the more "Lawful good" you are.
(Post watching argument) Deception at the start is a good thing? Trying to make up for beating your kid is good? How is the recovery thing Lawful good too!? Any time we talk about training mark as a good thing it's not. He's trying to have a second super soldier to enslave or eradicate the earth. How did you miss that? then at the grave he again deceives people and you call that lawful neutral? lol and this "Can't send people to hell" thing. Really funny, by this logic your lawful good character so far is allowed to kill super heroes, his fellow brothers in arms, but not fucking demons. I'd say that killing immortal again could be self defense and it kinda seemed like he wanted to talk a little? Maybe could have been a neutral action. I wish you made stronger arguments in this video. If you try to sympathize with someone of course you're going to end up calling them a nicer alignment then what they are. But the cold hard truth is he works for a fascistic empire that is colonizing the galaxy. He has no value for life that isn't of his fellow people (Racisms bad) and is willing to do anything for them. (fascism bad. Helping Fascism, also bad) Even if a well written conflicted character is battling with there desire to do good but constantly does bad they do not get redeemed by the unknowable ideas in there head. The ends don't justify the means. You are the means. Other people in the fiction can only judge him by his actions.
(D&D advice) Really I think for the sake of your own table you should establish where does the alignment come from and who sets it. Personally I bad either good or evil alignments [Except for chaotic good and lawful evil because usually those characters can mix into any party alignment] I just don't like quick PVP in my games though so to each there own. But I promise knowing where the alignment comes from and by whos metric your actions are being judged is really fun when the demons don't want to get banished to hell. Going against the will of your gods and not damning them would be evil, but against utilitarianism (which as a said before I like to say lawful good gods are). Now your god is a hypocrite and your villains sympathetic and chaotic evil. Look. Go with whatever you want. Don't have lawful good characters do genocides, unless maybe god tells them to but then point that your god is a dick and maybe you need a new god or something. idc. just this is my pet peeves
I think this episode shows the worst example of why the ding ding section needs to have a massive adjustment to the magnitude of the adjustments to alignment for some acts. Taking his son out for a shoping trip and playing ball effectively countered out literally killing billions of people. Might want to change that going forward
that has been a huge problem with his analysis is that he treats every action equally which is hontestly stupid there are actions that are clearly far worse than others
@@about50pyros55 I know it has happened before, but this is the most horrifically terrible example of this so far. I enjoy this show over all, but every time something that should absolutely rocket someone across the chart is treated the same as the most casual possible action, it really makes it harder to take seriously.
@@allyourbase2010 i honestly never take his videos seriously given his equate all actions equally approach
welp, just found out these kind of videos exist, never imagined on deducting a character's DnD alignment based on the show could get this interesting, just a couple things I noticed.
First you set as Chaotic Evil to eradicate the Lmaos, but they were also very gun-ho, just popping in and firing unnarmed creatures that couldn't even fight back, so, that would make them chaotic evil, I guess, so eliminating chaotic evil foes doesn't count towards the good alignment, or is the scale to where he took the "cleansing" what takes the alignment to chaotic evil?
Also, Darkblood wasn't really a suspect, Cecil just didn't want him poking around, forcing Omniman to take some drastic measure before they were prepared to deal with him, the fact Omniman was pinning the blame on him was just convenient for both.
I think you should define what each catergory means and what actions would need to be taken for the tag of lawful good or neutral etc.
Cause in most cases of lawful good, you could say he's actually just lawful neutral.
Maybe he is doing good, but from omniman's pov, he is just doing what is necessary for the mission he needs t odo.
Which would make him Lawful neutral.
He adheres to his own personal sect of dogmas and acts upon them.
Lawful Good is kind of like a paladin goody two shoes, who does what is right even if it's the harder decision.
I would argue that Omni man is just Lawful neutral.
He has no hatred of the humans inherently, he just needs to fulfill his mission and will do whatever it takes to fulfill it.
If that's killing the Guaridans, lying to his family and everyone else, and training mark.
Every single action was to fulfill his mission regardless of how he felt internally.
In the beginning he was a Lawful neutral Character, then I would say he became a broken Lawful Neutral character after the fight with mark and going more towards Neutral neutral when he decides to not kill mark and abandon his post and become a deserter and then neutral good.
I love how you said "The big episode 1 twist" right as he, *ahem* /twists/ War Woman's head.
:D
Great video. Just subbed! I also finished RE Village last week and want to hear your take on Ethan-the lovable hero who’s kinda..lacking, intellectually (which is my way of respectfully calling him dumb)
Why do people say “think” twice in this meme when Omni Man only says “think” once? “THINK MARK!”
Dude your videos have been growing with these mainstream and modern characters. I'm happy to have found your channel and am delighted to see your older content! 100K by the end of the year!
thank you ^^
Spoilers As someone who binge the comics after season 1.
Omni-man goes through a lot of character development and we're introduced to other Viltrumites with similar inner turmoil to Omni-man and one that's embodies the viltrumite ideals and he's the absolute worst and the final issues had me on the brink of tears because of what Mark has after 500 years.
I don't think Damian Darkblood was pinned for the murder of the Guardians, Cecil exorcizes Damian because he didn't stop investigating Nolan after Cecil told him to. Cecil wants Damian gone because if he puts too much pressure on Nolan he might snap before Cecil can get anything prepared for fighting Nolan or finish his own investigation.
This is relative to Humans, so at the start of the series, he's Lawful Good. Relative to Humans. He's not human, but he's from a Lawful Evil society. (Basically totalitarian Space Nazis.) All Alignment is Relative, mostly to the Victim. You can't really let the Offender decide what's right, or wrong. However, I have to point out that Omniman's Alignment didn't change, at all. Only relative to Humans, at the beginning he was still the empathic Protector, but he never stopped being Viltrumite. He just didn't ACT Viltrumite, Toward Humans. If he went ahead and conquered Qo'noS first, that would still be Good, because the Klingons are a threat to Humans. The enemy of our enemy is our friend, until he's our enemy.
D&D is morally problematic, because it has the "Evil Races." Trolls, Ogres, Orcs, Goblins, Dark Elves, Dragons... I don't have to point out that's Racist, but you've also got the animosity between Elves, and Dwarves. Just to strip the Racism out of it, treat them as 2 different Nations. Ask the Dwarves if the Elves are evil, and you'll get a history lesson on everything the Elves did to them. Ask the Elves if Dwarves are evil, and I just bet you won't hear any of the Atrocites that the Dwarves remembered.
Humans are evil. So anything we say about morality is questionable.
I feel like overall, he is a lawful good sliding into chaotic good, at least in a psychological way. Everything he does is out of his own sense of morality.
The voice casting in this entire series was phenomenal
I'd argue his attack on the Flaxians is Lawful Evil, since he is saying earth is not theirs to conquer because he believes it is Viltrum's to conquer. So, from his perspective, destroying them is the Viltrumite way for two reasons. First, if the Flaxians are conquerors, obviously they are opposed to the Viltrumites by default, so he is just taking the logical conclusion of their eventual meeting to its logical end. Second, well, keeping them from trying to conquer earth is in service to the Viltrumite takeover of earth.
My one issue with this video is a bunch of his evil moments you kinda ticked off as one evil "pip". Effectively equating Nolan killing each member of the guardians with punching his son to hard during training.
Those 2 things are just not equal.
>Kills a bunch of people
>He's still in lawful good zone
Okay
The thing is, him doing all the chaotic evil things (on earth, and from what I’ve seen/read. Not that far into the comics) began only when Mark began gaining his powers. Hence why he said are you sure in response to the news. Deep down he wanted mark ti be a regular human because he loved his life on earth.
Lol the spiderman music at the discussion session. Great touch xD
Fundamental point of contention with this, Alignment is based more on a character's motivations than their actions. Actions can indicate their alignment, but if their motivations remain consistent, their alignment doesn't change. For an action to indicate a change in alignment, it has to be something so out of the norm that it indicates a change in their motivations. Good/Evil actions on their own are not enough to change someone out of a neutral alignment, their base motivation for doing what they do has to change.
For example: All of his actions up until the season finale are an illustration of his alignment, with his motivations underneath. Sure he's a good father, or tries to be, but one could be chaotic evil and still manage that. sure he killed the guardians, but you probably could have come up with a lawful good reason to do that (cecil, for instance, is chaotic good, because, while he has no real code, everything he does is for the greater good of Earth, even though he did some nasty shit).
The thing becomes, Nolan's motivation doesn't change throughout the entire first season up until the finale; he does what he's been told to do, because it's his job. That, to me, is an indicator of being lawful neutral.
At the finale, he finally does something (which you referred to as a nat 20 moment) so out of character for him up until this point that it indicates that his motivations have shifted, or at least that he's finally realized/acknowledged it. It's not a moment that catapults him into "Good" territory (because his new motivation is his family, which is really a neutral motivation because it comes from personal attachment) but because he abandons his duty to the viltrumite empire it's enough to push him to true neutral and possibly all the way to chaotic neutral ( I only say possibly because of the next time we see him in the comics, otherwise I would plant him solidly in "chaotic")
TL,DR a person's motivations have to change for their alignment to change. Evil characters can perform good actions, if the motivations behind it are still evil, and visa versa. Actions are almost irrelevant until they're so out of character that one's motivations MUST have changed in order for them to do what they just did. MY assessment of Omni-Man would have been solidly lawful neutral until the finale, where he switches to true or chaotic neutral.
5:35 Lying to buy time for your long term plans is not chaotic neutral, it’s lawful. Lawful is not guileless. Truth is reliably, it remains predictable, lies are just more volatile, but so is swinging a sword, Lawful character tend not to lie because they have either learned they are dangerous to the liar, follows a belief set that has warned against lying, or knows that it is also more powerful if lies are rare and unexpected. Depending on context if a character sees lies as making the liar weaker it can be a lawful or chaotic reason to tell the truth.
Wasn't expecting to be in the video, but I'm not complaining. 'Twas a nice surprise.
I really would love to see a version of this one using the complete comic story
minor counterpoint to lawful good as Nolan's starting point; in his mind he is simply following orders and doing his job the entire time. He isn't doing it to be good or to be evil, or because he doesn't care about life or because he does care about human life, he just is doing it.
As such, I'd put him as Lawful Neutral. Good deeds done in the spirit of deception doesn't make someone a good person, but he does more good things than is strictly necessary for his lie to work.
Also, you wouldn't call a farmer good or evil for butchering their cattle for meat, they are just doing their job. That's how I think Nolan views what he is doing. He is feeding the earth first, to butcher it later as necessary.
"Sending him to litteraly the worst place imaginable"[ad]--- MISTER CLEAN MAGIC ERASERS!
He strikes me as Lawful Neutral, spanning to Chaotic Evil when he begins to feel conflicted and becomes dangerous as he needs to prove to himself he still can be ruthless and merciless like he was raised.
Think Mark! I don't want your damn lemons, I want photos of Spiderman!
(I don't actually watch the show, ultraviolence is something I am sensitive to, so instead of something productive to say I just made a stupid joke)
that got me to laugh xD
also we do sensor the violence in this
@@TheLoadingCrew I'm glad I got you to laugh!
He is Lawful Evil. It's pretty cut and dry, at least through all of season 1.
Omni-Man, since he had to do his job, is like a Lawful Good Paladin that ceases to be good and willfully commits an evil act, thus becoming a Fallen Paladin, violates the paladin code of conduct.
I think the most amazing part are the tears you see as he leaves earth.
Good impression man
Seeing this I wanted to like make a sort of small long form comment talking about where you started him and where he ended up. So I'll do like a couple of enters to put it behind a read more spoiler mark
***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***
***SPOILERS***
Omni-man's comparison of his own wife to a pet made me think about the whole 'liking' saving people and I feel like a sort of apt comparison would be seeing them as like pet fish in a bowl, we live immensely longer than them, by comparison we're these sort of immortal monsters and that's sort of the separation he had from his earth protector role it feels. He did it honorably but not out of pure selflessness in my opinion making a sort of lawful neutral a more accurate starting point for him.
I want this Alignment template, it fits and explains everything so well.
youtube really wants me to watch this, theres literally THREE OF IT ON MY FUCKIN FRONT PAGE
damn dude. that's awesome that youtube is finally promoting my stuff
I think the scene when he refers to his wife as a pet really encompasses the way he feels, and kind of gets overlooked because we see it as offensive. My cat is my pet. I will live a lot longer than my cat, I am aware that in a decade my cat will be dead and in another decade I might have another cat or I might have moved on so far from that time in my life that I barely ever think about my cat. My cat's a pet. But if I got home and my cat was dead, I would be devastated. If my cat got hurt, I would drain my savings account to try to make it feel better. I love my cat, I'm emotionally tied to my cat, my cat makes me happy, but none of those things mean that my cat is not just a pet.
I like the way Omniman is a smart villain. He isn't in it for the evulz, he mostly doesn't kill for fun. He just sees his species as superior, that might equals right, and if you are in the way, you deserve what he does to you.
Which ultimately means everyone else united against his species and drove them close to extinction.
He is smart, he is strategic and brave, he's never lazy about his power like Homelander.
I like the animation of a Homelander versus Omniman battle which shows how Homelander relies on being able to shock him with atrocity, but Omniman curbstomps him because his kind are used to atrocity - after all, they killed most of their own kind. He's lived through near death experiences from many wars, and each time has come back stronger.
He knows pain to a level most humans would be broken by. He's not just physically tough, but battle hardened psychologically - calm under pressure, accepting of the death of his family but quite willing to take the pain he feels and dish it out to an enemy, so that the one who hurt him knows not just physical torment, but despair, as he dies.
While quite a few Viltrumites are the more traditional villain types, there's a few who are rational and disciplined about it, and as we see, will pursue a strategy over centuries if need be. If it is deemed necessary, they will be peaceful, and even marry humans, despite them being disgustingly weak by their standards.
They just aren't the typical supervillains. I really appreciate that.
I’ve been waiting for this!!!
I see him as a hardcore dedicate lawful neutral character start to finish. The only real conflict he had was his duty to his people (nation) vs (family) both of which are LN allegiances, and if it sticks to the comics then he also had (national) duty towards preserving his family (or at least Mark) for reasons I will speak no more of here.
I can see the argument for lawful good. he means well, he's doing whatever messed up crap he's doing for what he believes is the best case scenario. thus, at least to himself, he is indeed lawful good.
Odd as it might be, I _think_ the majority of Nolan’s killings would count towards him being more lawful than chaotic, as they’re definitely in-line with his mission’s parameters. Even twisting the notion until it creaks, a portion of them are “self-defense” with non-lethal options turned off (while he would basically be fine, those that oppose him would definitely continue to try and stop him if he doesn’t kill them).
Ok that intro's lip sync was actually really good
SO HE IS JUST DIPPING IN NEUTRAL EVIL AND CAN BE TURNED AROUND? (yeah ... that checks out.)
Probably chaotic good.
To be honest I see Nolan at the beginning of episode 1 as Neutral Good. Even though he is a hero, he doesn’t exactly play by the rules. And Cecil himself saying that Nolan doesn’t like following his orders (since Nolan doesn’t see him as his superior in both power and his allegiance to Viltrum)
There’s one other aspect that’s kind of important to remember with the fight between Omniman and his son.
Omniman knows how resilient his species is, he knows what he, and by extension his son can live through.
Does it make it better, but it explains why he is so brutal in that fight, and yet it has nothing to do with what stopped him.
BTW He was probably going to wait out Mark's and Debbie's lives to start but then Mark got his powers, which means he has to do this now or Mark grows stronger than him one day, doing it now would give him the best time to explain or get away with his mission. The day mark get's his powers is the day Nolan had to take his job seriously hence the "Maybe it would be better if he never got his powers" line.
"The big episode 1 twist" *he says as omni-man twists war woman's neck in the background*
that was a amazing voice impression
I feel like Omni-man is Lawful Good. He is definitely the Templar trope to a T. He believes he is right and just in imposing the Empire's Laws for the Good of the people they rule.
They will be uplifted by the grace of the Empire. They will have better lives. As long as they submit to what is in their best interest.
The line between whether someone sees that as Good or Evil depends on a lot of factors.
If you think omni man is Lawful Good then you also think Hitler is Lawful good
The problem with that assumption is that Hitler didn't want to rule over everyone, for the good of everyone. He only wanted to rule over his ideal Aryan people, and kill everyone else. Omni-man doesn't want to kill everyone and only rule over the Viltrumite race.
Sure, the Viltrumites will probably be the ruling caste, with everyone under them. But the idea is to uplift everyone into their collective empire.
As such, Hitler is Lawful Evil.
lawfull good and lawfull evil conflicting makes him chaotic