Peter Jackson on the Star Club Tapes
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- At the end of our three hour conversation with Peter Jackson about the making of Get Back (see other videos), we touched on the idea of applying the machine learning and AI technology used on Get Back to other Beatles audio, including the Star Club tapes. Here's what he had to say.
The complete produced version of our talk can be heard (in one hour increments) at somethingaboutthebeatles.com/224
The Something About The Beatles podcast can be found Apple Music, Amazon Music, Google Podcasts, I Heart Radio, and loads of other podcast platforms.
It appears as SATB Raw on UA-cam and Spotify.
Here is the article in Forbes online discussing an extended cut of Get back as well as the Star Club tapes: www.forbes.com...
I'm glad Peter Jackson is a Beatles fan. Hopefully he can use this technology to make the Star Club tapes sound fantastic? That would be great!
I love the way Peter Jackson listens in this interview. He's open to creative ideas even after his great success. Very humble man, no doubt this is why his work is top notch.
Right?! A genius and a groovy cat. Rare combination.
It’s time to clear up the Lennon vocal on free as a bird
Yes!
great idea :)
ABSOLUTELY...they could go a LONG way to making that sound great. All they did at the time was throw it into an akai sampler and use EQ as best they could and a bit of noise reduction. They could 100% extract his vocal clean out of the rest of the stuff now for sure
@@DarrenGlen That would be very interesting. Jeff Lynn worked with a cassette and did very good at that time
Get rid of the Jeff Lynne production, have Sean and Dhani co-produce it.
Please give us a cleaned up star club set please!! Thanks for the great podcast!
Star Club with Ringo is the most rocking live takes I’ve ever heard by the Beatles. Close to punk!!
Me too - I don't really want it 'cleaned up', I've been blown away listening to it in its raw-ness.
Yes, if all the earliest audio could be cleaned up and we could get official releases of the Star Club, a Cavern set and, perhaps even THAT Quarry Men set, whether in their own right or in some sort of 'Early Days/Anthology' type of compilation then it would be AMAZING!
I thought there was some debate as to whether or not the Quarrymen audio was legit, or a fake? I'm talking about the "Putting On The Style".
@@BlackAndWhiteBand it sounds so much like john, its hard to deny. he's just a lot younger, remember he was 17
I hope so ! 😊
This is why super talented and also big fans should be involved in stuff like this. Jackson, like me apparently has a large collection of Bootlegs which proves his upper fandom.
Aw man, I'd be first in line to buy a restored version of the Star Club.
This one sounds as good as I've ever heard ua-cam.com/video/l6PdWt4I7Ok/v-deo.html
I'll be behind ya
You and me both! I still have mine on vinyl from when I bought it in the 70s and I would love to hear what Peter Jackson could do with it with today's technology.
Me too, would be great. Changing the subject, on the original rooftop concert (30th Jan) John had a shaving cut on his neck but on the Get Back documentary it has gone. However it does appear on footage from 29th Jan….Does anybody have any idea why?
Me too. Raw Beatles is best
The star club tapes of december, 62, should be finally officially released. Those tapes are the absolutely truth that they were amazing musicians when they still could listen to themselves
Peter did a great job remixing Some Other Guy at The Cavern Club at the beginning of Get Back although its only like 15 seconds It sounds fantastic you can hear the power of the band.If he could also get the tapes from the 1964 Washington DC Concert. The Beatles were on fire at that show.
Yep, I was thinking make it a live performance hologram right in the coloseum, as far as I know, it still exists. Could you imagine that experience?
Did you ever hear 1965 Sam Houston afternoon show recording of Dizzy Miss Lizzy? ....
Oh hell yes Peter you got to do the star club tapes. Do about five songs and play it for Paul, Ringo, Olivia and son and Sean and Yoko. If you could really do a number on those tapes man that would be a huge seller. I'm all in for that.
Peter Jackson is one of us, I like his real Beatle passion
McCartney bought the Cavern 1962 set recording for £2,310 in 1985.
Nobody knows anything about the sound quality. The setlist (as recorded anyway) is:
- Words of Love
- What’s Your Name
- Roll Over Beethoven
- Ask Me Why
- The Hippy Hippy Shake
- Til There Was You
- Hey! Baby
- If You Gotta Make a Fool of Somebody
- Please Mister Postman
- Sharing You
- Your Feet’s Too Big
- Dizzy Miss Lizzy
- I Forgot to Remember to Forget
- Matchbox
- I Wish I Could Shimmy Like my Sister Kate (aka: Shimmy Like Kate; aka: Shimmy Shimmy)
- Memphis, Tennessee
- Young Blood
- Dream Baby (How Long Must I Dream)
The Star Club recordings are required listening; it’s The Beatles with Ringo, who’s been in the band four months, performing covers in a bar with no screaming audience; I hope Peter will be given the opportunity to clean them up
There is a wonderful video with the "Executive" version (the best remaster yet that I know of) that has on screen transcription of what they were singing/saying with wonderful pictures of them performing. Makes listening a much more enjoyable experience, making me enjoy the tapes for the first time. Hopefully something like this will happen with the Jackson Star Club tapes
The original Star Club album cost thousands of dollars to make it sound presentable. PIckwick did some further work on their version. Including Hully Gully was probably a bad idea. If nothing else, it was by another group on the bill. Technology has come a long way since then. It would be interesting to hear what could be done now.
Peter should produce Part 3 of the BBC Sessions, the Decca Tapes, Star Club, and especially Carnival of Light.
Right not much mention of the DECCA TAPES MOST FIRST GENERATION FANS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE SONGS Silver BEATLES assume the same thing
God it's been over a year I NEED an update on any of this PLEASE.
Some of the more recent fan remasters of The Star Club tapes are quite good but the best I've heard the material sound is brief excerpts of the original unaltered tape. I'd love to hear what Peter Jackson can do but I'd love for any Star Club project to also just have a flat transfer of the original tape.
They'd better get any such project done and released fast considering many Boomers are already in the last few years to a decade left of life. Even us earlier Gen X-ers will be well in the 60s by decade's end.
Jackson's movie has sucked me into the Beatles vortex for life. I was always a casual fan, but once I saw Paul creating out of nothing the melody to Get Back I was immediately fascinated by his talent. I just heard the Cavern tapes for the first time in my life and wow, the club goers in back in '62 must have been mesmerized by the Beatles. That energy and tightness of the band is even rare amongst bands today. I hope Jackson is successful in getting those mono recording separated and re-mixed as he described. That would be something else.
Original tape is still with Larry Grosberg in the USA, but is unplayable. The next best thing is the Mono 1/4 inch copy made In 1976/7 (also still held by Larry) - read more in mine and Hans Olof Gottfridsson's Record Collector magazine articles. I'd post a link but that would more than likely be blocked. Apple had the chance to buy everything to do with the star club tapes a few years back but despite being put up for sale remained unsold.
I like the rough sound of the star club vinyl '77.
I had two vinyl Beatles albums called "The Early Years" volumes 1 and 2 back in the early 80's. Those were the Star Club recordings, and I thought they sounded cool. I believe I still have one of them?
Rough there and there's rough as a badgers chuff. This was supposed to be a band that was going to conquer the world and they couldn't conquer The Star Club. It's interesting that I have listened to that 77 albums and I was listening to a new version on UA-cam yesterday cleaned up my arse, it's obviously been rerecorded(not by The Beatles) certainly in the music. Even the vocals are now not all by The Beatles.
Be Bop A Lula wasn't them singing it was Horst Fasher's brother many credit it to Horst Fasher a good friend of theirs and Head Bouncer.
Roll Over Beethoven that George cocks up and they stop and restart suddenly is musically perfect and you could tell the vocals have been edited on the break and restart so it's now one.
You can restore what's there but now apparently we can restore what wasn't there in the first place.
Remember it was a single microphone a mono microphone from above the stage and now with the new mix we've got better sound than The Beatles at The BBC.
It's easy to rerecord ( by new musicians, not The Beatles mind)the simplicity of beat music after all it's very basic.
The Star Club tapes were a disaster in the first place.
Such a great idea to clean up the Star Club recordings and give it an official release. The BBC recordings could be cleaned up really nicely too although they already sound pretty good..
Guys, great work! Are you planning an upcoming chat with Jackson re Hamburg tapes, the new/old Let it be film etc...?
Man if he could do that to the Star Club tapes then I want this man to rework many of the Beatles live recordings!
I want Peter Jackson to try that approach with lots of classic 1920s recordings of Louis Armstrong etc
wow.... at least there is hope. I didn't know that Apple had more of the Quarrymen recording. I really wish there were other Hamburg recordings.... back to the Pete Best days. I just re-listened to the BBC radio recordings with Pete. It's amazing how much faster they played those songs than the later Ringo recordings.
What could be a revelation, would be to apply the AI technology to the recordings of legendary bluesman Robert Johnson.
I know this is nothing to do with The Beatles, but wouldn't the new machine learning technology be great for making stereo versions of old 78rpm recordings?
The audio equivalent of colorizing and correcting old film footage.
Absolutely, and I'm surprised nobody is doing that. I tried doing it with my dad's 78s decades ago, but that was long before computer software. All I did back then was basically eliminate some scratches and noise before reapplying some treble and boosting bass all on various tracks.
@@magneto7930
Yes, I have done similar with some of my 78s.
It's surprising what good quality some of those old recordings actually are.
But imagine if you could isolate and separate the individual instruments and vocals as well as eliminating the surface noise and scratches.
I too am surprised no one is doing it yet.
@@jackdshellback3819 I remember doing it with Sleepy Lagoon by Harry James, but that was before CDs were available and now you can find decent uploads on youtube.
That would be awesome to have them remaster those tapes. I recently bought a copy where the amps were cleaned up and brought forward, vocals made better then the original cassette tape I bought in the 80’s.
I have a vain hope that recordings may exist of The Beatles at the Indra, the Kaiserkeller, and the Top Ten Club.
Fantastic concept! Please operate with some speed gents. Nobody's getting any younger here, he said gently with a great deal of pleading.
I understand that the Bob Molyneux tape of the Quarrymen gig only has Putting On The Style and Baby Let’s Play House on it because he taped over the rest of the reel with a recording of a thunderstorm
Some people may take this as hyperbole but I think Peter Jackson is the defacto George Martin for Beatles video now. If Apple wants something done well with the back log of Beatles video recordings it has be done with Peter Jackson
You're right, especially if you're talking about gatekeeping and creating/altering pieces of history that never happened and protecting Beatles Lore
I'd be interested to hear what this machine learning AI could do with recordings from the 1800's - 1930's. Al Jolson recordings, Early George Gershwin etc etc.
Apple specifically bought every recording of the Beatles live to prevent them from getting bootlegged, is my take. While the general public would be mildly interested in these recording, its mostly the hard core collectors who want to hear & own everything (at least as a digital file) this move ends up targeting. Sadly, I doubt they will change their minds about giving this to Peter Jackson & releasing it within our lifetime.
It’s really frustrating when Apple refuses to release a lot of bootlegs on supplementary Anthology-type releases for outtakes that didn’t appear on any of the Super Deluxe Editions
This was a very interesting interview, hearing how keen Peter Jackson is to attempt other MAL-assisted Beatles projects. It would be great if we could get an official, cleaner release of the Star Club recordings.
Please do this. I put together a 12 song version of the best tape that's out there
featuring the rocking stuff almost exclusively and it cooks. Lennon's guitar and
Ringo's drums are smoking. Aside from Sweden '63 it torches all other early
Beatles live recordings.
i believed Apple never actually took possession of "the actual " reel of tape but all of the other terms of the judgment were met. has anyone else heard of that ?
I'd like to hear what they're going to do with the Klue interview tape from early 1964. They visited the radio station in Longview Texas
I heard somewhere where Lonny Donegan said he actually saw a Quaryman video back in the day. That would be epic
It's almost 2023 and we still wait for reference quality digital masters of their studio albums.
It would be good if Jackson's AI guys got in touch with us at Plangent Processes - we could help tremendously as we have on the Springsteen catalog and most recently an AI version of an Aerosmith basement tape. Don't know how to reach them.
It's wild that Allan Williams and Kingsize Taylor knew they had a million bucks back in the 70s and couldn't release it, and now they're gone, but if Peter Jackson had a go at these tracks and Apple released them commercially, there would be vast amounts of money made, all around. Mr. Williams and Mr. Taylor could have ended up where Pete Best eventually ended up - making a vast amount of money off their time with the Beatles, and dying rich men. Alas....!
Exactly,,, everyone could've profited including my dear old dad Kingsize,the Beatles are liars and their whole enterage greedy people..
This is very possible. Most of the BBC tapes is what was on the Star Club sets. They should use AI to compare the two and modify the BBC tapes to sound like the Star Club and keep the stage banter and room ambiance gear etc. But since the BBC tapes are out its not going to be a top priority project.
Making it sound like it was recorded at Abbey Road defeats the whole purpose of a live album.
The no ai lord reith mix is rather good but ai could just be a miracle for the wonderful star tapes. In the year 2025 ? ? !🎉❤
Instead of working with poor audio that has no video attached, I’d rather he make immaculate the decent or good video + audio of the properly filmed shows, in Germany, Australia, whatever, the stuff I see on UA-cam.
I would love to hear long tall sally from star club remastered
I hope this happens!! That would be a great interactive experience hearing what Peter Jackson could do with the tracks and experiencing a recreation of the actual club with sounds scents and sites with hyper realistic Beatles and fans in augmented reality. Deep underground would be the best place for this exhibit I think for the preservation and enjoyment of future earth people.
Why is nobody talking about the Shea stadium audio? What about not just recreating audio, but video footage like Get Back???!
This wood be fantastic LP
And to do it free what more can you ask for please Peter do it for all us Beatles fans dave.
Please please let this happen
Why not some of the best about 70-80 recordings At BBC. I mean the best performance.
Could be fantastic
The Hollywood bowl tapes…. Take those. Isolate the vocals and instruments as best you can. Clean up. Take each track and improve it was best you can. Mix. Then make the album master.
All previous recordings will be useless. This new one will be fantastic and go platinum!
I would love it!
Peter, while you're at it; how about improve the Free As A Bird and Real Love tracks? I'm sure you could do a better extraction of John's voice and piano than when they mixed those tracks in the 90's.
Have you heard the Stowe school concert? That's the tape you should work on
Would be awesome if the gueys process/remix the Star Club performance to a degree like the Hollywood Bowl stuff.
There's so much live Beatle material that needs to be cleaned up and released.
Peter Jackson, a music redeemer!
Have PJ update the anthology
How about Shea Stadium and The Hollywood Bowl?
It's possible to do. It would never be 100% true, but it could be pretty damn close. So funny, the quarrymen tapes were done in a ramshackle old house 2 minutes down the road from me.
Please make it happen Peter. : )
I have the Beatles at the Star Club on CD
Go Peter, just do the whole damn lot please.
DO IT! DO IT! DO IT!
Why won’t the Beatles let him do this…
Here's what may be a unpopular opinion : The Star Club tapes shouldn't be too modified in the way Peter Jackson states here. He talked about making them sound as if they were recorded at the studio, at abbey road...Well, the beauty of the Star Club tapes is precisely that we have the Beatles performing live, and it sounds loud, and raw, echoey and even dirty, the instruments, the sounds from the audience, that's the soul of it. It sounds honnest. Making it sound as a studio recording would be stripping those tapes from their true nature, it would kind of feel artificial... Now, the sound of the instruments could be improved in terms of balance, a bit of ambient noise reduction here and there, those little things, that would work, and all this should be made by someone with musical knowledge, Jackson is no musician. Forcing the live performance to make it sound like a studio record is not a good idea. " Improving" the sound quality of the old live performance tape, would work better.
Star club star club star club!!!!!!
Remix theBBC Sessions as well. That would be incredible too.
The entire management at Apple needs to be replaced by people who actually care about the music and the history of it instead of just hoarding everything like a bunch of crazy cat people and not releasing it! Peter Jackson could do wonders with all of it!
Enough talk, get it done, and do it NOW!
I thought every Beatle fan had that church fait tape-the day John met Paul. I've had the whole tape for years
Then post it!
Please post it any way you can
Why dont you post it? or sold
it's in my basement but i got it via a google search it's probably not hard to find! it's not that great except as a historical item.
Does anyone know if this is really happening now? Is he working on the tapes?
Can't see how you could bring the Star Club performances up to state of the art audio with just the single source. Rather see 'Revolver' remixed right now.
Would you want to take recordings from a concert and make it sound like a studio recording? Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose?
ua-cam.com/video/M8tGqStl6cg/v-deo.html Here's the best of the remastering tech we've got
Let's hope they get it done all cleaned up and richer thicker sound more heavy bass and drums! With 21st century technology if we went to the Moon then we can get this done too!!! Put AI to good use! Put in a nice box set package nice thick hardback book cd and vinyl if there is video that too Blu ray dvd with a nice biography on the event with contributions from Paul Ringo John George! And Brian Epstein and George Martin And Giles Martin and Peter Jackson and his team! If you can get it to sound modern and top notch quality we're talking Beatles quality Apple Capital Abbey Road quality do it before we're all dead!!!
Well, getty up, up!
after the star club tapes and the Quarry men/cavern club rehearsals i would say do a box set A.I. job on Beatles live show 62 to 66 and Paul mccartney and wings 1972-3 best of live BEFORE th;ey became the biggest rock band in the world in the 70's. Bssically, what paul wanted to do with the Beatles as to go back onto the road as a little unknown act.... Man, one could make a fortune but more importantly, a lasting testament to the greatness that has been lost due to shitty recording techniques of the past.
No one will ever hear the cavern performance with Pete Best on drums. I'm pretty damn sure that.
Why the hell would you want to make a live recording sound like a studio session? That's idiotic.
I think he means "studio quality" as the current taps are almost unlistenable.
ATTENTION PETER JACKSON: PLEASE READ TRUE BEATLE PEOPLE POST BELOW
anyone know the brief intro music
It's obviously a track recorded especially for the intro of the "Something About The Beatles" podcast.
It's taken from a song by The Korgis (they had a big hit with Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime) - memorably called Something About The Beatles lol. Nice tune too! 😃ua-cam.com/video/uQOvKjwowUw/v-deo.html
Could the AI process help Peter Jackson have a clearer and more understandable accent?😂
Pull a "Deadpool" stunt and go ahead and clean up one of those bootlegs you have and just clean it up and THEN give them to the public and see what Apple does?
Damn i know about beatles recordings than peter jackson😊
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