Lost Beatles Tape Discovered (BBC 1973) the find of the Hamburg Tapes.
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
- Documentary about the find of the Hamburg Tapes.
1973: Bernard Falk spoke to Teddy 'Kingsize' Taylor and Allan Williams about the secret Beatles tape that might make them millionaires.
Thanks for putting up this very rare and historic clip. Amazing to see. Thank God they broke in to get those tapes! I LOVE the Star Club recordings!
I was a 16 year old Beatle nut when this double album was released, it became my music Bible. The songs are raw and exciting, played hard and fast. My first band played about 1/2 of these songs in our punkabilly new wave act, The Fashion Plates, Columbus Ohio, in the late 70s/early 80s. This was recorded in the Star Club in a gig that Brian Epstein had booked before the lads started getting famous, they didn't want to do it, but he felt obligated to fulfill the date. I suspect that this was a recording of the last time they graced the stage in Hamburg. If you get a chance, read Alan Williams book, "The man who gave away the Beatles", it's a great read.
@@joelross3649 You suspect? It's Christmas - New Year's '62, that's been established for years. I've done more than read his book, I've met Alan Williams. I was responding to the video clip, not the Star Club recordings themselves, I'm well aware of the history behind them, and obviously I already knew the recordings (and the album, which I also had as soon as it came out) (ditto the Hollywood Bowl LP which came out the same year). Have all the improved versions that have come out over the years, including the full version of "Red Hot", and the stuff in the correct order, with all the stage banter, and without all the echo they drenched that double album with.
My late guitar teacher, John Kay, was one of Bill Haley's Comets. He told me he saw the Beatles at the Star Klub, but when it came to live performances Kingsize Taylor was the act that was tops.
bet your teacher was awesome as is anyone who can play the solo to Rock around the clock.
Both great
@@tommaloney3938 He was only 20 years old when Bill Haley picked him to replace Franny Beecher. Franny had played with Buddy Greco and Benny Goodman before he joined the Comets.
How fantastic to see Bernard Falk again. His dry humour shone through his reports. It's a real shame he didn't live longer: he was such a good reporter.
He’s great; really enjoyed this
Great to see this Im sure Eric Idle and Neil Innis must have watched this and inspired them when creating The Rutles spoof documentary
I thought the same - it really has a similar unintentional comedic value!
eric idle did spring to mind when watching this ..quite similar.
Yes, I'm absolutely sure they did! I had the precisely the same thought. Exactly the same docucomedy vibe. Tony Snow and The Blizzards- The band that made the sixties what they are today.The living legends who will live on long after all other living legends have been forgotten.😄
This is for real ,you guys obviously don't know the back history of the Beatles ,those ARE the original people - king size Taylor and Alan Williams
Omg, this man is a legend!!!! I was gobsmacked when I heard this as a teenager - THE best live album in history! Damn, thanks for the upload.
I recall court proceedings from late 80s where someone was halted by Apple Records to officially release the tracks from the Star Club gig.
Paul asked George if he would appear as the group to represent them for their argument and behalf.
George seemed to make the argument that a drunken agreement doesn’t hold up for anything. The Judge (and court) agreed and the band , with Apple Records, proceeded to give the tapes a much needed revamp and remix and master and released it in 1989 I think.
So thank you George for your clear minded approach
I met Allan once on a Beatles Convention in Utrecht 1980 and he was very nice. No negativity at all.
I saw him in Atlanta 1996 on a Beatles convention. George's sister was there too.
His first music festival was washed away by a flood. When I heard that I had to go see if this was a parody goof or something like that. Its straight out of Spinal Tap or The Rutles. This is priceless in itself.
It’s my understanding that Peter Jackson is in discussions with Apple Corps. so as to restore, audio wise, the Star Club tapes of Beatles performances recorded in Hamburg. A truly historical recording!
I saw that too. He reckons he can extract the voices and instruments and make it sound like it was recorded at Abbey Road.
it always made me smile that regional inserts for Nationwide - even filmed ones like this - continued to be made in black & white for inserting into the main colour broadcasts until the mid 70s.
Wow, I've never seen this video before but what an amazing piece of work, bought my first fender Telecaster back in the 70s from Hessy's that had to go back as it had a problem with the neck also bought a Marshall top from Hessy's that went on fire in the studio, that had to be sent back because they had fitted the wrong valves. But I have to say Alan Williams I will always be grateful to as he gave me my first work at Blackpool ideal home exhibition from that I was a musician for 35 yrs, he was just such a nice person, I didn't know about his history but I found that interesting. Many thanks.
Even the people in the Beatles periphery have a certain charisma.
Great comment!!!
You're brainwashed mate. He's just a typical Scouser that's all.
Mysterious place, Liverpool in the 1950s and 60s...so much vibe, so much music in the air, so much humour. I can't stop marvelling.
@@miropribanic5581 stiil is😉👍
@@miropribanic5581 A marvelous and mysterious place, indeed! I’m spending my life in it! ua-cam.com/video/8FfsRQxU8IU/v-deo.html
This tape was recorded in Hamburg 1962 at Christmas time. Ringo had officially joined the group, and the Beatles had released, "Love me do" almost 3 months prior to this concert.
Wow your clever
@@dontgoout1434 LOL
@Dont go out Wow, "you're" clever. LOL.
@@baberoot1998 He never claimed to be a grammarian.
I'm glad they did get the Hamburg tapes out there...One of my favorite Beatle albums
Same here, and the versions of it on UA-cam are far cleaner and better sounding than the old vinyl fake-stereo versions.
This was the famous tape They tried to sell to the Beatles at various points in time but no one wanted it because the sound quality was so terrible…however it wound up being issued in 1977😀
When Allan Williams died it was mentioned in the BBC Radio Scotland news bulletins. Thought it was last year or thereabouts but it was actually 2016. Time flies for sure.
8:54 'Wait till you see the statue I''m going to build!' RIP Allan Williams
This story seems so preposterouIly fake, its like watching the comedy mockumentary Spinal Tap. But it's all true. By the way, the Phillips reel to reel tape deck they used in the Star Club that night was quite the novelty in 1962. Someone had the presence of mind to use a high quality Seinheiser microphone with the deck and hang it over the music stage. It was about as good an amateur live recording as you were going to get at that time.
A.I. as used in the Get Back documentary, that enhanced voices and sounds could really help with remixing the Hamburg tapes.
Could be harder doing from one single track but I bet something could be done
I thinking the same and the AI tech will improve. Just needs someone to what to do it.
@@version736ha2 Much of the Get Back documentary audio was sourced from relatively low-fi mono Nagra tape reels. That's what the bulk of the bootleg recordings that have been circulating for decades originated from.
It has been reported that Peter Jackson said in a 2023 interview that his company purchased the original tapes and plans to use A.I. to improve their sound quality, but Apple currently has no plans to release the improved tapes.
I got that double album in the 1970s and while it isn’t quite as sharp as official albums, it showcased a huge range of covers and the Beatles laughing and joking. Nicely informal.
But it only included two songs written by the Beatles.
@@harvey1954 so? doing covers was how it was done back then
@@sentimentalbloke185 Wrong, they were playing original material live as well.
@@harvey1954 not much, no. Most bands relied on covers in the early 60s/late 50s.
@@sentimentalbloke185 That's true. But The Beatles were not "most bands". John and Paul were writing songs almost as soon as they met. Most bands were not writing their own material.
Those fellows were really “counting their chickens before they’d hatched”; I wonder what they made off of that tape
The Beatles' story is a true Epic story. There is THE MUSIC & and there is THE STORY and all of the photos. Its like a massive chunk history that just keeps revealing itself. I am looking forward to Tbe Beatles' road manager. MAL EVANS' diary being released one day... even Mal is a facinating charecter in the story of the imvreadble Beatles saga... really
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Nice prediction on Mal's diary.
It was from this tape that the Live In Hamburg LPs were sourced from.
I had the cassette! About 1989 or 90.. Rhe Beatles at the Star Club.. I was about 16,17… I would listen to it in the dark with my Walkman cassette player and imagine I was in the club watching them perform.
Thanks for sharing, im a Beatles fan and this is great. Thanks for posting 🙂👍🎞️🎥
Famously withdrawn from the catalogue and now owned by Apple (I believe). I hope that it gets the "Peter Jackson treatment" and sees a re-release.
I wonder if Kingsize and Allan DID make any money from this in the end?
I was wondering the same! I doubt it was millions, but I hope he got well- compensated.
reading the wikipedia article on the these tapes and on Williams one must get the impression that their dream did not materialize.....Apple and the Beatles played the waiting game, did not offer much ("quality to bad"). Eventually, Paul Murphy of Buk Records bought the tapes, invested a fortune in editing and repairing the tracks. Nowadays they speculate on how much 1 Bitcoin will be worth one day....there is no currency in the world, no precious metal to decipher the value of these tapes, even more so for a Beatlles fan.
I met Alan Williams once and had a very pleasant conversation with him in Miami at a Cozzoli's restaurant in The Omni shopping center.
Can’t imagine why the Beatles left Allan Williams. He used to treat them like shite. They had to beg for gigs. He made them paint the interior of his club. Bad mouthed them after they left and as soon as they’d made it, he did nothing but charmingly moan about how he got nothing from it. Almost 60 years of free drinks, dinners and Beatles conventions, I think he did alright. But he was the first person to mismanage the Beatles.
The Beatles weren't anything special when he met them. I always found it interesting how Brian heard so much potential when even George Martin said he wasn't impressed by them. It's amazing how everything aligned for them before they'd written even one really great song like She loves you.
Allan got them the Hamburg gig offer, and thereby got them Pete Best. Without Pete, The Beatles never would've made it.
@@Cosmo-Kramer So Pete Best was the only drummer around? I think they would have been fine without Pete. He wasn’t that good.
@@bobcaygeon4533 Let me explain what I meant by that, Bob. You see, Pete was the band's *_22nd_* drummer. None of the previous 21 drummers stuck around, either because The Beatles stunk at that time, or because they hated the prick-ish Lennon. Then in August of 1960 The Beatles had an offer to go to Hamburg, but only if they had a drummer. They had such a poor reputation, they couldn't find one. They were supposed to leave for Germany in a couple days, but with no drummer, they were going to have to pass on the opportunity. And if that had happened, they said they would've been on the verge of disbandment. George said he was preparing to be a bus driver like his old man. Paul wanted to be a window dresser at a Department store. And John said he was ready to stow away on a ship to NYC. But, they knew Pete was a drummer in his own band called, The Black Jacks, and took a chance on asking him if he'd give that up, as well as college (which he was just about to start), and join the band. Pete agreed, and off they went to Germany. The band gelled like never before, powered by Pete's "Atom Beat" on drums. Within weeks, The Beatles were transformed from the worst band in Liverpool, to the hottest ticket in Hamburg. Ringo Starr said, *"My band, Rory Storm & The Hurricanes, arrived in Hamburg just two months after The Beatles had arrived. I'll never forget the first time I saw them, they were already great. They were the only band I would go see on my time off."* So yeah, Pete Best SAVED The Beatles.
Pete was a great drummer. And everyone on the scene knew it. But don't take my word for it. Here's what a contemporary drummer of Pete's said when he was asked in an interview what he thought of Pete's drumming: *"He was a genius. You could sit Pete Best on a drum kit and ask him to play for 19 hours and he'd put his head down and do it. He'd drum like a dream with real style and stamina all night long, and that really was The Beatles' sound, forget the guitars. I was amazed when they replaced him. I even thought about learning guitar so he could be the drummer in my band. The Beatles didn't hate Pete Best, but they didn't want to be outshone by their drummer. Ringo was a good drummer but he was more ordinary."* -- Chris Curtis, drummer for The Searchers, a great Liverpool band who scored a 1964 Top 3 Hit in the US charts with their classic, "Love Potion # 9". Chris saw Pete Best play many times in both Hamburg and Liverpool during Pete's two years as The Beatles' drummer.
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@@Cosmo-Kramer Don’t get me wrong. I just haven’t heard many recordings of his drumming. Ringo was ok. Maybe he was a better fit for them. And timing is everything (in life as well as drumming😉) Thx. for the info. It must have been quite exciting to have been part of the early British rock and roll. It’s amazing how far those early groups progressed from 1962 to 1967. All good, cheers.
In my opinion, the Vox AC-30s really cut through the mix compared to the previous amps they were using.
What an unexpected surprise, especially for someone who's not British. Where was this originally from?
Crazy. I have an original pressing of the double album. Had no idea where it came from
I hope the rumours are true the Peter Jackson has been approached to finally give this recording the attention it deserves. It's an important historical artifact and worth presenting in the best possible light to the public.
I have the 1977 double LP and enjoy it, but it's been fussed with so much using dated technology. There's more potential there to be revealed.
People have remixed the tape with Jackson type computer programs it sounds fantastic now
I hope they've made the money they've dreamed of. They're very nice fellas.
Not the former manager. He was a shyster.
Cock.. and his roaches. It's quite a miracle that the Star Club Tapes were recovered. I do know that George Harrison has a dub of the raw tape, given by Alan Williams. Ringo's copy was lost due to his placed being burned down. No idea if the other two ever had a copy. I doubt it or Yoko would've used Johns copy on the Lost Lennon Tapes radio series.
Fascinating history.
He made that Gibson sg sound like a strung plywood brick.
Wasn't that strumming just horrible
This kind of story could have made it way into the Ruttles movie. You can’t make this stuff up.
Bernard Falk was a great reporter...died far too young.
EXCLUSIVE... Rare LP discovered in record collection
Wasn't there a legal action over this album? George Harrison brought it did't he?
Yesss... and he won to stop the records sales in the year 1997
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Is this a clip from The Ruffles?
No, it's actually from The Kerfluffles.
Happy to meet Allan after I read his book over 40 years ago before the Beatles tourist industry got going. He really helped them and they didnt even pay him back for what he did for them.
I had a German issued double album of the Star Club recordings. I bought it as a teenager, mid 70s in Kenmore Square, Boston.
Hi
Do you know anyone who may have photos from 1968 with Alan Williams in NYC during the management event for Apple announcement? I was in and out of NYC and the Beatles lives at many times. Any behind the scene or odd pictures from 1963-1970? I didn't collect pictures. I didn't go to their jam moments. These photos would be odd to find as the pharmacy picture on Paul McCartney and No Other Baby video. The guys were just friends during my spring breaks from school. I was around when Linda was with her daughter. John was a real sweetheart, George superb friend, Ringo greatest and Paul. I believe I last was in touch right before the breakup and Yoko came into the picture.
Peter Jackson bought the tapes recently
Allan was a great guy.
"Cock and his Roaches"... I'm soooo stealing that band name!! lol
I am genuinely unsure if this is a spoof or not.
..worth alot.
I can see where a lot of ideas of the Rutles movie came from...
Very interesting.
Tv gold!
Lingasong distributed by Atlantic issued the tapes on a two Lp set it has been issued on different labels all sounding horrible.
Nevertheless it is Rock History.
The tape was recorded with mono reel to reel open air microphone.
Such a great shame that a really pivotal component of The Beatles success ,Allan Williams never gets the credit he deserves. They really or rarely gave a thought to those who had helped them .Lennon did later say that The Beatles were the biggest bastard's,who had to be to get to the top.
I don't think he got the swift kick in the balls he deserved either.
Why does this look and sound so much like a Rutles documentary?
There is certainly NOT 2.5 HOURS of "Beatles" on that TINY tape... 20 minutes maybe.
The tape had 296 minutes of music on it. It was a 4 track machine. They recorded all the way through on track one, then recorded all the way through on track two, and did the same for tracks three and four.
@@michaelharrington75 Yeah, but Taylor even says in the video that The Beatles were just one of many bands that were recorded that night.
The Star Club tapes is a double album that was released legitimately to the public in the 1970s. I have a copy. Much more than 20 minutes of Beatles on there.
60 minutes total length on the album I own.
Is this the Ruttles?
16 uncut rubies. Bizarre.
He used to give ukuleles by the trunk-load to friends as well. Not to mention guitars..
Wait'll the boy'os see this documentary, they won't say YES! Ahh- guffah guffah. 😂😂😂😂
Lol that upside-down guitar
Carry on Beettles !
When Alan Williams talks about the "Ringo has just joined the group" it is not accurate, Ringo joined the group in August 1962 while this tape has been recorded in December 1962, otherwise, this is an historical tape and I tried to create a stereo mix of the song we can hear :"Kansas City/Hey,Hey,Hey,Hey", but the audio sound is so poor that the result can not be satisfying,even the best audio avalaible is not suitable to create a decent stereo mix.
Allan Williams was ace
Sounds like the Rutles ...
hubo juicio de parte delos beatles en los 90s pues sacaron una edicion mejor mezclada y solo george fue al juzgado paul estuba de luto y ringo pidio dispensa...eso fue en el 1999
Lots of Beatles tapes were lost
Ancient story again
Scouse humour. Got to love it😂
But he's Welsh!
8:04 - he was always a nice enough fella but I'm not entirely sure about this tale...George would've been less enthusiastic...?🤭
This is hilarious...from the Cock and Roaches...on.
did they become rich men?
Studio tricks......in 1962????
He was obviously referring to their later work when they were exclusively working in the studio and pioneering a lot of recording techniques.
I actually bought the album back in 1974 with the picture of the Star Klub on the front cover of the album. Don't even know what happened to it when I left home.
The Star Club tape is absolute shite.
Knowing the sort of AI tech Peter Jackson's crew used on The Beatles "Get Back" documentary, with the mono Nagra recordings...I'm sure, if given a chance, Jackson's crew could do miracles with those Hamburg tapes.
@@meanderer06513 oh yes. from mono shite to 8.1 surround sound shite
@@anyoutubeaccountGood one
@@anyoutubeaccount 🤣🤣What matters about those tapes is the energy with which they played and the performance in general, it's something that die-hard fans like to have, of course it's not for audiophile equipment, far from it. It is a historical document nothing more. The Roman Colosseum is also a piece of shit hanging by a thread but it has historical value just the same.
@@avanti6058 in all seriousness id love a surround sound star club tapes. the energy in those recordings is unbeatable, although it does sound like your ears have been sealed shut since birth
Spoof ?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live!_at_the_Star-Club_in_Hamburg,_Germany;_1962
Im wrong!
THE SOUND IS CRAP.
The Beatles slightly drunkenly thrashing away on a dire quality 'home taping'; Allan Williams..this is worth 8 million pounds..10, million, 20 million.....(1973 rates), he had the gab, and tried to blackmail Apple for a grab. It didn't work.
These guy are just greedy, pure greed
У меня такое чувство, что всё, что не происходило с Битлз с 6 Июня 1957 года- всё играло в их пользу. Абсолютно всё👍👍👍
Is this a spoof?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live!_at_the_Star-Club_in_Hamburg,_Germany;_1962
i thought this was a spoof!
Did it come out and did they make any money
Maybe I didn't understand everything well but I have the "Live in Hamburg" LP. Are these the recordings they talking about?
Yes.