Still waiting for Mad Monk Urouge to show in OP as we last saw him before wano and the reverie begins, we've seen all of the worst generation since then. He's slept on too much. Edit: wew over 500 likes, you all are wild, thanks a million ✌️🙏
@@Mr.VAGlNA that’s what came to mind, because the Five Elders do know about Luffy, he’s hot news but there’s more reason to bring to notice someone who’s been lurking, no ?
I have always been in the comments with the 'shiki is plotting a ridiculous comeback' speculation, for years now. Finally. I typed somewhere he is the reason that giant landmass sucked up capone and got him to infiltrate big mom. And that the 20 years plan, will commence. Finally someone is bringing this up.//// Although I never imagined Bartolomeo and Bon Clay might be in it too, I know that's speculation, but if true, the thrown wars will rev up excopentially. I mean when Doflamingo asked "Who will betray who" he was spitting
The timeline does fit with the 20 years. You had Roger's execution 20 years before Luffy sets out to sea and then 3D2Y happens, which lines it up with Shiki's escape 2 years after Roger's death. It could explain the floating ships and crews with the worst generation when they entered the New World. It's not hard to believe that Shiki would keep tabs on his former crewmates after he hears of them being named emperors. He could've planted Gang Bege and Appoo in their respective crews. It would make sense especially if Shiki retains his style shown in Strong World, having half his men dress like mafia and keeping a party-like atmosphere around him outside.
Random thought, what if Foxy was apart of Shiki's crew? It makes wonder if that Arc had anymore meaning than just the David Back fight, and Aokiji's appearance, and to top that all off, Foxy is drawn in the same wacky fashion as Shiki and his potential allies.
Roger was executed 24 years prior to the current events, 2 years after that Shiki escaped from Impel down, 20 years later the strong world occurred, after which there was a 2 year time skip, so the timing does not match. It's not 20 years, but 24 years.
It might also be the one pirate Shanks wanted to talk about to the Gorosei... Blackbeard was already an issue, Buggy was good meme, and Luffy didn't really fit. But if the lurking legend was really moving stuff in the background, that'd be something to bring up. Especially since Shiki is like a Shanks foil. According to some theories Shanks' territory is mostly underwater currents he uses to move around faster than he should, Shiki in contrast cant outright fly, so he would be always out of Shanks' reach and force him to bring the Elder Stars' attention on that pirate.
Wow what an amazing theory, shiki being the foil of shanks, both are scheemers, one for the good of the world ( Shansk) and the other one for world domination (Shiki) One shows his face while the other does not. Who knows maybe shiki has a conmection with BB . Thanks for comment. This is why I love one piece, all the possibilities and theories
Shiki could turn out to be the "Man Marked by Flames" for all we know. The one mentioned first by Kidd, and later by Blackbeard. This "pirate" Shanks wants to talk about, might be someone else; someone who isn't even a pirate. Something else like an explorer, (Noland's occupation, next to Botanist) or a sailor.
This could indeed turn out to be a Kaguya-like string-pulling situation (Naruto). The difference is that Shiki was always there, even though we don't know a lot about him, we know him. This theory is plausible and I'm sure Oda would come up with something crazy to tie everything up.
Imagine if Shiki suddenly shows up OUT OF NOWHERE and straitup interrupts law's clash with black beard , that would be very chaotic to see though I wonder what would be his motives for 3rd partying, I just think he'd get his own chapter to build up this encounter with Shiki , perhaps he could end up encountering Kid and Killer instead WHO KNOWS Shiki is a surprisingly even more mysterious than Shanks
I thought the same at first, but then I thought it would be more like the black zetsu reveal, a well planted revelation that Naruto, in my opinion, did pretty well. It wouldn't be fair to compare it with the Kaguya reveal.
Here me out what If Shiki went back to impelled down and free the frozen guy that could be rocks it a weird theory but I just don’t see oda not using that guy after someone basically confirming in a pokey way that he might be important
I love this theory tho about Shiki has been pulling the strings for his own purpose to rule the world, but i also don't like that he somehow will be the next bigger villain than BB and Im and even Akainu. I just want him to be Luffy's next villain just to welcome Luffy's interest to the ancient weapons because we all know Luffy, different from Roger, did not have interest in such thing at all, even tho he almost got it. But by the appearance of Shiki, who really obsess to having all of the ancient weapons and of course Shirahoshi is one of them and then Pluton is in Wano which is now Luffy's territory, will make Luffy to fight for them as well in order to prevent Shiki to have it and saves his friends.
@@newt2120 Not necessarily. He can basically terraform the environment and manipulate it at will, in addition to just making things float. Anything that he's used his power on is fair game to control. Up to and including literal water, going by the movie, which is something no other DF user in tbe series has ever done, iirc. Well, outside Aokiji, but that's ice, so not in liquid form. Not to mention it gives him crazy mobility compared to others, and he uses both hand to hand and sword techniques as well, so its not like he's solely reliant on his DF to begin with.
Uhm actually, he wasn't the only one who escapes alone. Morley, commander of the revolutionary army, also escaped alone, creating level 5.5 in the process. The thing is that nobody found out, not even Ivankov who took over level 5.5 AND is Morley's commrad
Oda could always change the character design since the movie wasn't canon. If that guy in the cover story IS Shiki, then he's much smaller than in the movie already. I think the reveal would pack more of a punch if the character looked and acted differently to distinguish the canon and non-canon Shiki.
If you're right Shiki is the character type that was missing. A pirate that intends not to find one piece but steal it from whomever does. Just as he attatcked roger and goes for the ancient weapons to gain power well enabling others to find the one piece. Leaving whitebeard and shanks be hoping they go grab it. Well enabling big mom and kaido with parts of the map to it. The goal of Rocks was not to find a treasure but to take a crown. Not to create or find but to steal.
@Cardoarts Why would shanks be suspected of that? He literally talks about going to "pick it up" as he passes wano. Shanks is also known to though not have gone to the final island.... may know its location. Shanks does not seem the type to want to be pirate king TBH. We do not actually know his focus but we do know he probably could have taken all the glyphs easily since he traveled with roger and knew every location. The commanders are garbage to him and the emperors leave their areas as we saw kaido do multiple times. He seems extremely unlikely to want to be pirate king as if he did he would already be.
Dude was mentioned in chapter 530(february 2009) The movie Strong World came out in December 2009 It's most likely that Shiki was born for that Movie (just like Shanks appeared in Wano for film RED) It's more likely Shiki is never seen again than appearing during this series finale.
but still Shiki's name was mentioned a few other time like for being Rock's crew. not like Uta, Zephyr or Bullet which will never being mentioned again
@@batgoku9 what ohara's theory came true? The only good one was just translated theory. It's possible for Shiki to appear, but to be madtermind or anything close to that is just a theory made for clicks
@@thermalequilibrium1370 i know, he unlike others has a chance of showing up, but to be the guy behind it all would be hard to imagine and a bad writing by Oda
This is a great theory. When you consider that Shiki planned was strategically for 20 years in the future coincide with Toki and Roger timeline. Toki by knowing to send them to the present time and Roger knowing he was to early and at this present time something would happen. This theory would also fill in how Kaido had the knowledge and info he had if Shiki told him.
I for the longest time thought that Wet-Haired Caribou has been referring to Black Beard as the guy he wants to give info 2. But after a while I started thinking that he may actually be talking about Shiki. Especially since Blackbeard seemed to already know or have little need for the "info" he was collecting.
If Shiki masterminded all of that then my mind would be blown. Thats like 20 years of scheming when he just could have brute forced the poneglyphs easier from the people he was controlling. If this all comes around to Shiki being the pirate that Shanks wanted to talk to the Gorosei about 🤯
In the Road to Laugh Tale four "chapters" released at the end of wano, Shiki's blades are mentioned by name (and grade), but not his devil fruit. It could have been a mistake by Oda, but we all know that is very unlikely... The thing is, in Chapter 0 he says the name of his blade but in no circumstance is the Fuwa Fuwa no mi mention by that name, only it's power is shown. The Fuwa Fuwa no mi gets that name from the film
Yes, a lot of things that Oda draws have a hidden meaning, but I think the fact that he already used Shiki as the main villain for a non-canon film is pretty straight forward.
Okay. So why create chapter 0? Man, idk. It's just crazy that Oda wanted to create ANOTHER first chapter of One Piece and decided it would be about this random guy who we'll only see in a flash back (god valley). And the thing Shiki says at the end of the chapter. Dude, if you don't think Shiki is going to reapear in the story again, u aren't thinking about it enough. Like it's crazy that Oda would make CHAPTER 0 so irrelevant. Like in JJK, chapter 0 is INSANELY important because it introduces the 3rd main character. I think Oda was sneakily introducing a main villain BUT throwing us off the scent by making a filler movie with him. It is strange that Oda allowed for a filler movie though, I agree. More casual One Piece fans who watch the movies and only watch the One Piece anime would probably be very confused if Shiki re-appeared.
@@guts7099 Sure chapter 0 gives a lot to think about. However just think about it, a villain that was defeated by a Luffy without gear 4 neither Haki, will appear in the story as someone more important than Kaido or Imu. I'm sure he will be in The main story, but I hope he is not a main villain, we still have 3 very good anttagonist to explore, B.B. Imu and Rocks if he is alive. So recycling Shiki doesn't feel right to me.
@@santiagovillarreal7306 shiki is confirmed to be a yonkou level, if oda didn't decrease shikk's powers in the movie then SHs had no chance of beating him, power scalling in that movie wasn't that accurate at all
Strong world, and those 4-6 filler episodes were so good. I’m still bummed out that not every movie followed that pattern. Give Oda a break from the manga once per year, even for an entire month to write get ideas for a movie, and fit it into the series. While it takes much longer than a month to write a solid movie, just use Oda’s ideas he couldn’t fit into the manga. I’m still wishing that Hachi’s cover page story got a movie, or at least a few episodes. Like it would be really cool to have 1/2 a movie showing Hachi’s cover story then the other 1/2 was after Jinbe after FMI. I would legitimately pay more for a special series than a volume that covered the mini traveling stories of various characters, like how they ended up places, what happened. Title it: Kuzan: Tour De One Piece. ( his bike riding) or Kaido’s Drunken Adventures. Legends: Setting off. And just cover times characters were super close to Aoikiji. Rocky Port, Hachi, Jinbe, Robin growing up. Jinbe’s arrival to Wano. Kaido going from Wano. SH alliance. How Moriah escaped. Like one of the things that would’ve / could’ve made One Piece better would’ve been to either kept movies not being cannon at all, and just having super wacky/crazy characters and events. Or wrote the movies in a way to be cannon. The only reason why I wouldn’t just make every movie into one of the major background events is because for a lot of them, like Shanks v Kaido and the payback war, what could be made probably wouldn’t live up to expectations. And imagination / debates is a major aspect of the OP fandom. Like imagine if we got Shanks & Mihawk fight before the recent reveal? Especially if that fight ended with a winner. But even if it was a draw, Shanks mystery is one of the biggest reasons for his hype.
Just to add more credibility is that in chapter 907 Hina states that the rocks power is still growing, Garp responds saying if they (rocks pirates) make a comeback the marines couldn't do anything about! Then we learn recently that Ochoku was still alive after all these years and got taken out by Blackbeard! Definitive proof that the group not just Shiki is lurking in the new world!
I'm not sure if shiki's possible return will be cause of this much convulated scheming but i do love the basic thought! Especially the other supernovas angle! This is by far the most believable theory you've posted yet!
I think the lurking legend probably meant shanks. He’s been lurking in the story the whole time and is one of the most legendary characters in one piece
I always wished for shiki to appear bc he was mentioned as the only other character IN CANON. To break out from impel down.. I always think he was the one sitting with doc and laboon. In the hat “the samurai”
I'm pretty sure the 20-year plan that was mentioned at the end of Chapter 0 is meant to be a prelude to the non-canon "Strong World". Shiki and Professor Indigo are looking out at the animals that are supposed to be a part of their plan in the movie. I don't think Shiki is going to be heavily-involved in the main storyline of the manga.
@@slackbraham yes and not, it's part of the marketing campaing for the movie. But some elements of it are canon like showing who was there at Roger's execution, but the plan part idk
This is the best theory i have ever heard in one piece. This makes so much sense! I always wondered why the old bag showed orochi shikkis face. The part whith blackbeard doesnt make so much sense, but him taking out kaido and bigmom does. If he is the lurking legend i will be hyped af because there will be an actuall powerhouse again (remember it took prime garp and sengoku to defeat him). It would be INSANE!
I forgot what chapter, but in a SBS Oda said the floating building is just a kite thing that floats with no special power. I forgot about the Apoo and Bege stuff tho!
If what Shiki said about his df in the movie is true there’s no way he could be responsible for that scene where Apoo is floating. Shiki says in the movie that he can only make non-living objects and himself float, as for the Capone scene im also fairly sure Shiki has to touch said object before he can make it float
but doesn't that giant boulder which has the size of a island have some gravity(i'm not a physics expert but i think something like that can happen 2/ don't forget that he may have awakening 3/ holy shit, i got it, law in ch.1064 started a room but it was not in his hands, he started it in the sky without him being there at all(because he's awakened) i think shikki can do that with awakening too
@@Pirroli Gravity does not work like Mario Galaxy small planets and that boulder not even close to atract something. If you want to use anime logic to it, then sure, go for it.
I like the thought of Shiki coming back as a character, but wouldn't it be weird if they had him interacting with the Strawhats for the "first time" again?
@@kringhetto unless they handle the character interaction differently and also , Like they can change little of shikki personality differently and power boast him from the movie version , cause they did weaken shiki for a movie so Luffy can win ( that’s was 2009 ) , before time skip
Shiki said himself in Strong World that he can't make living beings float. He can make clothing float, but he has to lay a hand on everything he wants to float. So I doubt Shiki is the reason Apoo and his crew started running on air, as well as the boars chasing them.
I hope Shiki becomes a positive reinforcement for Luffy and his crew. Imagine Shiki bringing the crew to back Luffy up like WB came up with his entire armada
Higurashi (that women with Bon-Chan fruit) is Shikis mother. In my opinion they look very much alike. And it would make sense that Higurashis plan to overthrow Wano country was to radical for her son Shiki. So shiki desides to go his own ways and do a better plan than she did. I mean its just me probably that thinks they look alike but idk. Maybe im right xD
I think something that should be considered is there might be a Secret society out there that Trebel is part of and I think Shiki is leading. I think there is a secret society running around inspiring each new Generation to go out and do Evil and basically all doing the samething Trebel did for Doffy when he was a kid, I think Croc had someone like this at a point and Kid currently has someone who inspired him that was part of that society. just always had a feeling Trebel is more connected then we're led to believe.
@@wilkey7538 I agree he had the Same feeling as Trebel and I feel like they could of belonged to the same Secret Society. I think there could be some other Examples we're over looking as well, but think there is more characters that were more of background or side characters that were tasked with a similar mission to find someone in the next generation that is full of hate and controllable seems like Weevil might fall into this category and Doctor Hogback could of been pulling Moriahs Strings without us noticing. I also believe Someone Tried something similar on Both Mihawk and Dragon but both of them got wise and stopped the person who was trying to control them in there youth.
yes, about damn time. i have been saying for years that shiki is the lurking legend and that he is gonna be a problem here real soon . but when i bring this up to other youtubers they think i am crazy and for some reason and they think rocks is gonna be back causing problems instead of shiki.
@@newt2120 haha I understand that. When series ends it’s the worst especially something like one piece 20 year story man… I hope that shit doesn’t end too soon
Having Shiki as the final villain would be kinda disappointing. With the film even though it wasn't cannon, we still saw a fight between shiki and luffy. Imu on the other hand we barely know anything about. Seeing such a fight between such a mysterious character and Luffy gets me super excited even just thinking about. Not to mention the seemingly close fight with BB. I think that BB will become pirate king by doing something shady like using Luffy's friends like Law as hostage. But after he is PK Luffy will free his comrades and will challenge BB the PK.
I don't know man. Introducing yet another potential final villain, an on top of that this late in the story, it just doesn't make too much sense for me. Also, as mentioned, Oda cancelled his plans of introducing him earlier in the story to instead make a movie about him. For me this sounds more like he changed his mind about putting him into the actual story, yet still wanted to flesh his character out in some way, so a movie makes a lot of sense. I do think though that it's peculiar that Chapter 0 showed him talking about his 20 year plan but that's about it. Other points in the video like him luring in Bege to marry him to Chiffon or attacking Nami's parents in the East Blue feel like a stretch to me. All in all, I don't believe in it and also hope this doesn't happen unless Oda finds a REALLY convincing way of re-introducing him into the story and making him as big of a threat as the other top tiers in this world. But hey, some arguments in the video give some food for thought and it's very likely anyway at the very least that we'll see more of him in the past
Theory: the revolutionaries mobilize to save vegapunk and on the way they run into law and help him. Theory two: bartolomeo is close to that area due to causing havoc in shanks territories, and the grand fleet and/or shanks pulls up. Theory three: Sword jumps in to save Koby and they help Law Theory four: Law dies 😭
The big thing that was hinted at by the legends was the movie Shiki was in. You can even see him setting up those trees on that island from the movie in chapter 0. The legends mentioning him was clearly just promotion for that movie. Even if it isn’t canon, it would make no sense to use that as setup for the movie and then again for something else that happens in the actual story and contradict that movie, that would be really confusing for too many viewers. The Kuruzumi woman turning into Shiki probably just is a sign to show us that she left Wano at some point to prepare their revenge. In this case Shikis face is just there to show us that she left Wano to find devil fruits and connected to powerful pirates to get outside help that ultimately came from Kaido. And I wouldn’t say every levitating object has to be explained by Shiki. The OP verse is just too weird, things like that don’t even need explanation because it’s just filled with crazy unbelievable stuff.
The only thing we are missing in one piece is a genius like Ayanokoji Like we have everything OP characters Swords man Gun man Super powers (like every single power) Fast characters Mystery Horror Hent*1 Action Love Saddest backstory Great animation Politics Good and Bad Great character
@@annoyingasshole3324 nah i mean he got a point he just meant someone who is intelligent and is pulling string from the behind like aizen or something like. Imu is a possibility but who knows
What if shiki found the one piece and realized he had to wait for joy boy to show up to take over the world so now he's guarding the one piece waiting for luffy to get there and use him somehow lol idk
you have not even considered the insane implications of his devil fruit: 1: its a devil fruit that can defy gravity itself, fujis power would be useless against him and any gravitational abilities (*cough cough* blackbeard) would probably be rendered useless which is already pretty insane 2: if we are to take the strong worlds depiction of the power at least as somewhat canon, the dude can straight up lift entire continents with his devil fruit, he could send land masses down to destroy entire countries or just float countires into the sky all the way into space if he wanted to, he could of probably destroyed marineford by just lifting it ridiculously high into the sky 3: shiki of course possess the ability to fly already a lot of strength in that 4: as long as he touches something he can control it, meaning if Shiki is fast enough then he can just push back things 5: as I was saying if we take strong worlds depiction canon he can also move intangeable things like smoke, that means he could also probably manipulate gas and other things 6: his awakening I believe would do either two things: allows him to lift objects without even touching them anymore, or allows him to lift living creatures, either way thats insanely overpowered if he no longer has to touch things in order to move them 7: shiki may be able to move the sea possibly although im not fully sure of his ability to manipulate liquids almost. thats just his devil fruit capacity alone, considering he contended with roger who was an insane haki user no doubt he would need haki to back it up dude is probably a master in all three catagories, I know oda could rewrite them completely because its not fully canon in the movie, but just from what Shiki could do alone, dude is defineatly a yonko level, imagine a yonko who rules over a massive sky island country
also he's not someone who rely on his devil fruits alone he can fight hand to hand or sword fight. at the same time, he is a clever and cunning person. damn he's so dangerous in every way.
Shiki actually has an appearance shortly after the Whitebeard War...After the war with Whitebeard most if not all the supernovas are seen either reacting to the end, or simply making their way to the new world. In the New world we see the Fire Tank pirates boat and several Islands being sucked up into the sky. The only one in the series we've seen or heard of yet that has the power to do something of this magnitude is the Golden Lion Himself. This may be the clever way of Oda trying to squeeze Shiki in without having to wrench him into the EOS arcs or leave him as one of the post-series off screen enemies.
Consider tho that the thing that sucked up bege might be the thing that destroyed lulusia and was used by Imu and the gorosei. I feel like both what you said and the Uranus/whatever the fuck that thing is theorys could fit that thing
....on the movie I remember him saying that he can't levitate ppl... (just got in and just saw it... that's why I remember lol) love the content! keep it up
Uta has also been confirmed canon, but the events of the film are not, same as with Shiki. It seems she was part of Shanks crew in one of the manga panels. At least that‘s what I read. I don‘t know for sure if it’s true yet. And of course we have to see if she will appear again or stay in the background just being alive in the One Piece world
One of the most shocking things is that while luffy does yahahahaha teach does zehahahahaha luffy has "a" In yaha and teach has "z" In zeha also remember how it took Roger and garp to defeat rocks if the rocks child is teach than if u put Roger as luffy like pirate King and if you put coby(cobe call him whatever) as garp and rocks as teach it creates 3 people luffy, coby and blackbeard. And blackbeard has zehaha shiki has jihaha and was in rocks crew. And also laughs, laughs are very referenced to one's fruit like whitebeard who at gura gura no mi and his laugh is gurarara and perona who's laugh is horor horor and who ate horor fruit if u go deep into mythology u can see baize a chimera like creature with 3 eyes last 2 letter are ze and blackbeard's signature laugh is zehahaha(unless the man changes it).
For me oda is going to kinda "rush" the islands for one piece to end basically and just a theory the order would be egghead->hachinosu(rescue of coby and pudding)(possible alliance with smoker(since he's near egghead)and katakuri)->either elbaf or sphinx prob both but no clue in which order the raftel war between yonko's and yonko candidates(kid and law) and then fishman 2.0 and final war saga in marineford and marijeois for me shiki can appear either in hachinosu(but i believe wan ji will appear there already and he will either appear as and ally,subordinate or prisioner of BB since its teach territory and if not there in elbaf as main villain or in raftel war out of nowhere basically.
I think the Bege and Apoo incidents were just examples for the weird weather phenomenons in the new world. They were shown in close relation to the other Supernovas who had similarly odd weather conditions etc
i think when the supernovas entered the new world during luffys training arc,shiki met most or all of them for his plan, and he might be “the man marked by flames” which may be why law also seemed to know about it and not luffy, might be a lil stretch but it makes sense to me.
The best thing about One Piece is that there are so many strong enemies and we can't predict the final enemy. Will it be Shiki? Blackbears? Imu? And the move with Shiki would be a Oda mastermind move.
You are a mastermind 🥳👏. This theory is just insane, i love it and i hope so damned much of a return of Shiki the golden lion 🙏. Yes, he is really a possibility to be a candidate for the lurking legend. When Shiki, should really come back in the future of the storyline then i can't wait to see his real goals, what he is planning for in real 🤔. I want to see his true power and i want also to see everything about his backstory 👌. Shiki is a very underrated top tier character in One Piece, i hope that he will show everybody, who he IS 👊
Kaido and fujitora could also lift island sized masses with their devil fruits. There's also all the sky islands including the weatherians. We also have the all important odas favorite panels from sabody that could give that might too. Any if these things could explain apoo and bege or the shrine. The cover with crocus is cool tho, that's prolly shiki and I like parts of this theory.
Im more curious about the man with the burn scar. Beges floating ship and apoo running in the sky has nothing to do with shiki. Those are just natural new world phenomenons.
Now this wasn't a theory I'd heard before, but it is beautiful. Lots of things that add up and would definitively fit Shiki's scheming mindset, not to mention settling old scores with his former crewmates and destabilize the new world. The Oykot and Nami angle wasn't something I've heard about before, and it'd definitively add to her character to have something Like Shiki in it. In a strange way, I think you could even fit events from the east blue saga in this theory, like Dragon's sudden appearance in Loguetown.
So i’ll bite, lets say shiki is lurking, from what i’m seeing things are playing differently than what you are suggesting, the pirate are allying, there’s amassing of weapons, it’s all coming together 20 years later, finding the ancient weapons and waking joyboy up, if you’re gonna do all this then your ultimate goal has to be to topple the WG, that’s what i think this is all about… After escaping impel down, shiki approached whitebeard with a plan but he wasn’t interested, foreshadowing? Who is to say he didn’t approach big mom or kaidou and that all these yonkou’s haven’t played a part in the plan all along? None of them seemed interested but they still tried to achieve the same goals, mass their armies, discover the ancient weapons, find joyboy, achieve these goals then unlike with xebec, this time they wont fail to topple Imu. Kaidou was preparing a DF army to wage war 20 years later, the lady (forgot her name) using the time travel fruit is beyond my scope here but i think she over heard the 20 year plan. Big mom had her army too and was quick to ally herself with kaidou, perhaps for a reunion with shiki, assuming the WG could always have obliterated them, they’ve been working quietly pretending to be rivals. When beige and apoo were captured entering the new world, if that was by shiki and bartolomew, then i assume they were unknowingly planted to help find joyboy, joyboy’s prophecy must be vaguely tied to toppling the WG. The majority of supernova’s gathered on wano, gives kaidou and big mom the signal, it is time, so they allied, surely one of these supernova’s has to be the joyboy they need to fulfil the prophecy. If crocodile and mr 2 are also agents of shiki… maybe there is more reason to why he chose to go to impel down in his cover story. Maybe he had the same goal as black beard, but luffy and black beard (AND BUGGY) got the job done. The marineford war revealed joyboy’s identity, white beard hoped it would be ace but he recognised joyboy and unbeknownst to everyone actually kept him safe, he also denounced black beard in his final words ‘you are not one of them, the men roger is looking for’, now black beard may be a rogue agent in the plan. So our objectives are set, prepare a army of pirates, we’ve located 2 of the ancient weapons, and we’ve found joy boy… Spoiler it’s Buggy D clown, buggy is joyboy btw LUL XD hash tag pirate king buggy forever xd xd xd (yes ex dee is my one piece laugh) xd xd xd xd
Pretty cool video 🙂 I just have one problem with this theory. It's explicitly said in Strong World that Shiki's DF only allows him to make float NON LIVING things, except for himself... So there's a problem here. Unless it's reckoned in the manga.
Shiki being the lurking legend just adds up too well
really does
Nah. It’s rocks
@@mmm-ww8jp I highly doubt it’s rocks i would think its one of his crew members like wheng zi or shiki or even scopper gaban
or Scopper Gaban (a Roger Pirates member)
Whoever it is I'll kick his ass ✊️
Still waiting for Mad Monk Urouge to show in OP as we last saw him before wano and the reverie begins, we've seen all of the worst generation since then. He's slept on too much.
Edit: wew over 500 likes, you all are wild, thanks a million ✌️🙏
He was killed off iirc
@@WoWisEZMode source?
Yeah good luck urouge is dead and burjesus has his fruit power now
@@forgottentoads313 nope
we saw him after dress rosa, not fighting but we saw him
If that’s the case, could it be said that Shanks went to talk to Five Elders about Shiki ?
There is a Possibility
Holy shit
@@Mr.VAGlNA that’s what came to mind, because the Five Elders do know about Luffy, he’s hot news but there’s more reason to bring to notice someone who’s been lurking, no ?
@@jomarlimajr5386 that was my reaction when I was thinking about it because it opens a whole new world of possibilities
Yup Shanks knows Shinki found the One piece already
I have always been in the comments with the 'shiki is plotting a ridiculous comeback' speculation, for years now. Finally. I typed somewhere he is the reason that giant landmass sucked up capone and got him to infiltrate big mom. And that the 20 years plan, will commence. Finally someone is bringing this up.//// Although I never imagined Bartolomeo and Bon Clay might be in it too, I know that's speculation, but if true, the thrown wars will rev up excopentially. I mean when Doflamingo asked "Who will betray who" he was spitting
yeah so far betrayal is the one part missing from doffys speech everything else is happening
Well The Narrator DID Say Crest Head and His Brothers would be Apart of Some BIG Incident
The timeline does fit with the 20 years. You had Roger's execution 20 years before Luffy sets out to sea and then 3D2Y happens, which lines it up with Shiki's escape 2 years after Roger's death. It could explain the floating ships and crews with the worst generation when they entered the New World. It's not hard to believe that Shiki would keep tabs on his former crewmates after he hears of them being named emperors. He could've planted Gang Bege and Appoo in their respective crews. It would make sense especially if Shiki retains his style shown in Strong World, having half his men dress like mafia and keeping a party-like atmosphere around him outside.
@T . O . W . A ayooo
@T . O . W . A great weed you've got there.
@T . O . W . A theory theory no mi
Random thought, what if Foxy was apart of Shiki's crew? It makes wonder if that Arc had anymore meaning than just the David Back fight, and Aokiji's appearance, and to top that all off, Foxy is drawn in the same wacky fashion as Shiki and his potential allies.
Roger was executed 24 years prior to the current events, 2 years after that Shiki escaped from Impel down, 20 years later the strong world occurred, after which there was a 2 year time skip, so the timing does not match. It's not 20 years, but 24 years.
It might also be the one pirate Shanks wanted to talk about to the Gorosei... Blackbeard was already an issue, Buggy was good meme, and Luffy didn't really fit. But if the lurking legend was really moving stuff in the background, that'd be something to bring up. Especially since Shiki is like a Shanks foil. According to some theories Shanks' territory is mostly underwater currents he uses to move around faster than he should, Shiki in contrast cant outright fly, so he would be always out of Shanks' reach and force him to bring the Elder Stars' attention on that pirate.
Wow what an amazing theory, shiki being the foil of shanks, both are scheemers, one for the good of the world ( Shansk) and the other one for world domination (Shiki) One shows his face while the other does not. Who knows maybe shiki has a conmection with BB . Thanks for comment. This is why I love one piece, all the possibilities and theories
Shiki could turn out to be the "Man Marked by Flames" for all we know.
The one mentioned first by Kidd, and later by Blackbeard.
This "pirate" Shanks wants to talk about, might be someone else; someone who isn't even a pirate.
Something else like an explorer, (Noland's occupation, next to Botanist) or a sailor.
This could indeed turn out to be a Kaguya-like string-pulling situation (Naruto). The difference is that Shiki was always there, even though we don't know a lot about him, we know him. This theory is plausible and I'm sure Oda would come up with something crazy to tie everything up.
Imagine if Shiki suddenly shows up OUT OF NOWHERE and straitup interrupts law's clash with black beard , that would be very chaotic to see though I wonder what would be his motives for 3rd partying, I just think he'd get his own chapter to build up this encounter with Shiki , perhaps he could end up encountering Kid and Killer instead WHO KNOWS Shiki is a surprisingly even more mysterious than Shanks
first it was imu now its shiki you guys cant stop comparing naruto to one piece
I thought the same at first, but then I thought it would be more like the black zetsu reveal, a well planted revelation that Naruto, in my opinion, did pretty well.
It wouldn't be fair to compare it with the Kaguya reveal.
Here me out what If Shiki went back to impelled down and free the frozen guy that could be rocks it a weird theory but I just don’t see oda not using that guy after someone basically confirming in a pokey way that he might be important
I love this theory tho about Shiki has been pulling the strings for his own purpose to rule the world, but i also don't like that he somehow will be the next bigger villain than BB and Im and even Akainu. I just want him to be Luffy's next villain just to welcome Luffy's interest to the ancient weapons because we all know Luffy, different from Roger, did not have interest in such thing at all, even tho he almost got it. But by the appearance of Shiki, who really obsess to having all of the ancient weapons and of course Shirahoshi is one of them and then Pluton is in Wano which is now Luffy's territory, will make Luffy to fight for them as well in order to prevent Shiki to have it and saves his friends.
the shrine is actually a kite. Oda said it in one of the Q&A in the manga
I loved his DF ability I’d be happy to see him during the final saga
isn't it kinda bad though? in like a 1v1 scenario against another strong opponent?
@@newt2120
Not necessarily. He can basically terraform the environment and manipulate it at will, in addition to just making things float. Anything that he's used his power on is fair game to control. Up to and including literal water, going by the movie, which is something no other DF user in tbe series has ever done, iirc.
Well, outside Aokiji, but that's ice, so not in liquid form.
Not to mention it gives him crazy mobility compared to others, and he uses both hand to hand and sword techniques as well, so its not like he's solely reliant on his DF to begin with.
And enel
@@newt2120 its an all out war in the final the more the better
It's stated he can't make living objects float, he's the exception because of his Sword Legs and Wheel Mohawk.
Uhm actually, he wasn't the only one who escapes alone. Morley, commander of the revolutionary army, also escaped alone, creating level 5.5 in the process. The thing is that nobody found out, not even Ivankov who took over level 5.5 AND is Morley's commrad
I thought inazuma was the one who carved out 5.5, but it's been a while. Morley might make more sense but it hasn't been addressed explicitly right?
@@RDKirbyN pretty sure it was confirmed in sbs 91 that Morley did create it
Also pretty sure he was at God valley
@@MugiwaraLion ah, of course it was an SBS, cheers
@@RDKirbyN Just look at his ability lol. He can create space underground therefore creating level 5.5 will be easy for him.
Oda could always change the character design since the movie wasn't canon. If that guy in the cover story IS Shiki, then he's much smaller than in the movie already. I think the reveal would pack more of a punch if the character looked and acted differently to distinguish the canon and non-canon Shiki.
Golden lion shiki is confirmed canon character. But the story in movies isn't.
@@ajianugera9527 yes that is what he said....
@Boy Kulot Lol you’re definitely one of the people that thinks the entire story was planned from the start 😂
@@blur8163 The Wano arc made me realize that wasn't the case.
@@muffinn1337 no, you didn't get it. He said golden lion as his appearance
If you're right Shiki is the character type that was missing. A pirate that intends not to find one piece but steal it from whomever does. Just as he attatcked roger and goes for the ancient weapons to gain power well enabling others to find the one piece. Leaving whitebeard and shanks be hoping they go grab it. Well enabling big mom and kaido with parts of the map to it. The goal of Rocks was not to find a treasure but to take a crown. Not to create or find but to steal.
Just like Blackbeard
@@ABHI-fg4ky blackbeard it literally trying to steal the red glyph copys so he can find one piece. He is not waiting for someone else to go get it.
@Cardoarts Why would shanks be suspected of that? He literally talks about going to "pick it up" as he passes wano. Shanks is also known to though not have gone to the final island.... may know its location. Shanks does not seem the type to want to be pirate king TBH. We do not actually know his focus but we do know he probably could have taken all the glyphs easily since he traveled with roger and knew every location. The commanders are garbage to him and the emperors leave their areas as we saw kaido do multiple times. He seems extremely unlikely to want to be pirate king as if he did he would already be.
Dude was mentioned in chapter 530(february 2009)
The movie Strong World came out in December 2009
It's most likely that Shiki was born for that Movie (just like Shanks appeared in Wano for film RED)
It's more likely Shiki is never seen again than appearing during this series finale.
they mentioned him way more times tho and legit ohara stated that oda said he made shiki way before alabasta
belimere, was seen saying that she would put a bullet in shikis head in chapter 0
but still Shiki's name was mentioned a few other time like for being Rock's crew. not like Uta, Zephyr or Bullet which will never being mentioned again
@@batgoku9 what ohara's theory came true? The only good one was just translated theory.
It's possible for Shiki to appear, but to be madtermind or anything close to that is just a theory made for clicks
@@thermalequilibrium1370 i know, he unlike others has a chance of showing up, but to be the guy behind it all would be hard to imagine and a bad writing by Oda
This is a great theory. When you consider that Shiki planned was strategically for 20 years in the future coincide with Toki and Roger timeline. Toki by knowing to send them to the present time and Roger knowing he was to early and at this present time something would happen. This theory would also fill in how Kaido had the knowledge and info he had if Shiki told him.
I for the longest time thought that Wet-Haired Caribou has been referring to Black Beard as the guy he wants to give info 2. But after a while I started thinking that he may actually be talking about Shiki. Especially since Blackbeard seemed to already know or have little need for the "info" he was collecting.
this aged terribly he was talking about blackbeard 😭
If Shiki masterminded all of that then my mind would be blown. Thats like 20 years of scheming when he just could have brute forced the poneglyphs easier from the people he was controlling.
If this all comes around to Shiki being the pirate that Shanks wanted to talk to the Gorosei about 🤯
he is the last strong pirate alive after whitebeard died and his only competition are mihawk and shanks and maybe kaido and big mom
Shiki was hilarious! The dancing and bad puns are more than welcome back!
In the Road to Laugh Tale four "chapters" released at the end of wano, Shiki's blades are mentioned by name (and grade), but not his devil fruit. It could have been a mistake by Oda, but we all know that is very unlikely... The thing is, in Chapter 0 he says the name of his blade but in no circumstance is the Fuwa Fuwa no mi mention by that name, only it's power is shown. The Fuwa Fuwa no mi gets that name from the film
"Gabone Bitch" -Ohara 2022
Yes, a lot of things that Oda draws have a hidden meaning, but I think the fact that he already used Shiki as the main villain for a non-canon film is pretty straight forward.
Okay. So why create chapter 0? Man, idk. It's just crazy that Oda wanted to create ANOTHER first chapter of One Piece and decided it would be about this random guy who we'll only see in a flash back (god valley). And the thing Shiki says at the end of the chapter. Dude, if you don't think Shiki is going to reapear in the story again, u aren't thinking about it enough. Like it's crazy that Oda would make CHAPTER 0 so irrelevant. Like in JJK, chapter 0 is INSANELY important because it introduces the 3rd main character. I think Oda was sneakily introducing a main villain BUT throwing us off the scent by making a filler movie with him. It is strange that Oda allowed for a filler movie though, I agree. More casual One Piece fans who watch the movies and only watch the One Piece anime would probably be very confused if Shiki re-appeared.
@@guts7099 Sure chapter 0 gives a lot to think about. However just think about it, a villain that was defeated by a Luffy without gear 4 neither Haki, will appear in the story as someone more important than Kaido or Imu. I'm sure he will be in The main story, but I hope he is not a main villain, we still have 3 very good anttagonist to explore, B.B. Imu and Rocks if he is alive. So recycling Shiki doesn't feel right to me.
@@santiagovillarreal7306 shiki is confirmed to be a yonkou level, if oda didn't decrease shikk's powers in the movie then SHs had no chance of beating him, power scalling in that movie wasn't that accurate at all
@@santiagovillarreal7306 that movie wasn't cannon.
@@santiagovillarreal7306 the movie is not canon.
It might as well be fanfic
I think this does kinda answers how Kaido ended up in Wano and maybe even how he knew about Joyboy's return.
His parents loved acting so much that they couldn’t give it up even though they both were wanted
Strong world, and those 4-6 filler episodes were so good.
I’m still bummed out that not every movie followed that pattern.
Give Oda a break from the manga once per year, even for an entire month to write get ideas for a movie, and fit it into the series.
While it takes much longer than a month to write a solid movie, just use Oda’s ideas he couldn’t fit into the manga.
I’m still wishing that Hachi’s cover page story got a movie, or at least a few episodes. Like it would be really cool to have 1/2 a movie showing Hachi’s cover story then the other 1/2 was after Jinbe after FMI.
I would legitimately pay more for a special series than a volume that covered the mini traveling stories of various characters, like how they ended up places, what happened.
Title it:
Kuzan: Tour De One Piece. ( his bike riding) or Kaido’s Drunken Adventures. Legends: Setting off.
And just cover times characters were super close to Aoikiji.
Rocky Port, Hachi, Jinbe, Robin growing up. Jinbe’s arrival to Wano. Kaido going from Wano. SH alliance. How Moriah escaped.
Like one of the things that would’ve / could’ve made One Piece better would’ve been to either kept movies not being cannon at all, and just having super wacky/crazy characters and events.
Or wrote the movies in a way to be cannon.
The only reason why I wouldn’t just make every movie into one of the major background events is because for a lot of them, like Shanks v Kaido and the payback war, what could be made probably wouldn’t live up to expectations.
And imagination / debates is a major aspect of the OP fandom.
Like imagine if we got Shanks & Mihawk fight before the recent reveal?
Especially if that fight ended with a winner.
But even if it was a draw, Shanks mystery is one of the biggest reasons for his hype.
Just to add more credibility is that in chapter 907 Hina states that the rocks power is still growing, Garp responds saying if they (rocks pirates) make a comeback the marines couldn't do anything about!
Then we learn recently that Ochoku was still alive after all these years and got taken out by Blackbeard!
Definitive proof that the group not just Shiki is lurking in the new world!
I'm not sure if shiki's possible return will be cause of this much convulated scheming but i do love the basic thought! Especially the other supernovas angle! This is by far the most believable theory you've posted yet!
I think the lurking legend probably meant shanks. He’s been lurking in the story the whole time and is one of the most legendary characters in one piece
I personally think he meant Oden
I think its Joyboy
@@jutime-576 it could be anyone😂
@@omeryilmaz9218 😂yeah
@@jutime-576 100% this, he's a literal legend (Nika) who has been lurking within luffy the whole story
What I haven’t heard people talking about is how Stussy is with the rest of CP0 meaning she “finished her mission” with Big news Morgan’s.
His observation and explanation makes our one piece better 👍🏻
Shiki cutting his legs off is tough. Replacing them with swords is just purely badass
I always wished for shiki to appear bc he was mentioned as the only other character IN CANON. To break out from impel down.. I always think he was the one sitting with doc and laboon. In the hat “the samurai”
I'm pretty sure the 20-year plan that was mentioned at the end of Chapter 0 is meant to be a prelude to the non-canon "Strong World". Shiki and Professor Indigo are looking out at the animals that are supposed to be a part of their plan in the movie. I don't think Shiki is going to be heavily-involved in the main storyline of the manga.
It's a cool concept but I definitely agree with you
chapter 0 is canon though
@@slackbraham yes and not, it's part of the marketing campaing for the movie. But some elements of it are canon like showing who was there at Roger's execution, but the plan part idk
This is the best theory i have ever heard in one piece. This makes so much sense! I always wondered why the old bag showed orochi shikkis face. The part whith blackbeard doesnt make so much sense, but him taking out kaido and bigmom does. If he is the lurking legend i will be hyped af because there will be an actuall powerhouse again (remember it took prime garp and sengoku to defeat him). It would be INSANE!
Shanks was the lurking legend and his plan was set in motion after fluffy vs kaido concluded
Your brain surely is fluffy
Oda: *sigh* time to change the story line... AGAIN...
I forgot what chapter, but in a SBS Oda said the floating building is just a kite thing that floats with no special power. I forgot about the Apoo and Bege stuff tho!
If what Shiki said about his df in the movie is true there’s no way he could be responsible for that scene where Apoo is floating. Shiki says in the movie that he can only make non-living objects and himself float, as for the Capone scene im also fairly sure Shiki has to touch said object before he can make it float
but doesn't that giant boulder which has the size of a island have some gravity(i'm not a physics expert but i think something like that can happen
2/ don't forget that he may have awakening
3/ holy shit, i got it, law in ch.1064 started a room but it was not in his hands, he started it in the sky without him being there at all(because he's awakened) i think shikki can do that with awakening too
@@Pirroli Gravity does not work like Mario Galaxy small planets and that boulder not even close to atract something. If you want to use anime logic to it, then sure, go for it.
who knows it could very well be his df awakening
Still wish buggy will be the final villain that was planning all this from the beginning
Mans is a menace at this point ohara a true pirate at this point, stealin theory's on the daily
I like the thought of Shiki coming back as a character, but wouldn't it be weird if they had him interacting with the Strawhats for the "first time" again?
the movie is non canon it doesnt count
@@esshyy Yep, that's my point. So there would be a canon meeting and a non-canon meeting. Unlike any other film antagonist. Wouldn't that be weird?
@@kringhetto unless they handle the character interaction differently and also , Like they can change little of shikki personality differently and power boast him from the movie version , cause they did weaken shiki for a movie so Luffy can win ( that’s was 2009 ) , before time skip
What if Shiki is the person Shanks went to tell the Gorosei about😲
Shiki said himself in Strong World that he can't make living beings float. He can make clothing float, but he has to lay a hand on everything he wants to float. So I doubt Shiki is the reason Apoo and his crew started running on air, as well as the boars chasing them.
Maybe awakening
How funny would it be if both Kid and Shiki come back and Kid snatches Shikis legs with his DF
I hope Shiki becomes a positive reinforcement for Luffy and his crew. Imagine Shiki bringing the crew to back Luffy up like WB came up with his entire armada
Higurashi (that women with Bon-Chan fruit) is Shikis mother. In my opinion they look very much alike. And it would make sense that Higurashis plan to overthrow Wano country was to radical for her son Shiki. So shiki desides to go his own ways and do a better plan than she did. I mean its just me probably that thinks they look alike but idk. Maybe im right xD
I think something that should be considered is there might be a Secret society out there that Trebel is part of and I think Shiki is leading. I think there is a secret society running around inspiring each new Generation to go out and do Evil and basically all doing the samething Trebel did for Doffy when he was a kid, I think Croc had someone like this at a point and Kid currently has someone who inspired him that was part of that society. just always had a feeling Trebel is more connected then we're led to believe.
same could said about the cook for big mom
@@wilkey7538 I agree he had the Same feeling as Trebel and I feel like they could of belonged to the same Secret Society. I think there could be some other Examples we're over looking as well, but think there is more characters that were more of background or side characters that were tasked with a similar mission to find someone in the next generation that is full of hate and controllable seems like Weevil might fall into this category and Doctor Hogback could of been pulling Moriahs Strings without us noticing. I also believe Someone Tried something similar on Both Mihawk and Dragon but both of them got wise and stopped the person who was trying to control them in there youth.
Who tf is Trebel?
@@Sam-fq5qu trebol, snot guy in dressrosa?
The floating thing in wano was confirmed to be a kite held in an sbs
Shiki is the character i most hyped to know about. Yes more then Rocks or Imu.
Gay?
I think rocks is luffys grandpa
yes, about damn time. i have been saying for years that shiki is the lurking legend and that he is gonna be a problem here real soon . but when i bring this up to other youtubers they think i am crazy and for some reason and they think rocks is gonna be back causing problems instead of shiki.
Don't think there's enough time to have shikki come be a big player.
Oda never sticks to his timelines.
@@bless8861 i know. Sheeps actually think ODA is going to finish in 3 years
i hope he doesn't because one piece is the only thing i look forward to at this point...once it ends, i'm off to find the tallest building in town
@@newt2120 haha I understand that. When series ends it’s the worst especially something like one piece 20 year story man… I hope that shit doesn’t end too soon
He was already a big player from the start
My favorite df over a decade and one of my fav characters 😍 thx fr making this video!
Having Shiki as the final villain would be kinda disappointing. With the film even though it wasn't cannon, we still saw a fight between shiki and luffy. Imu on the other hand we barely know anything about. Seeing such a fight between such a mysterious character and Luffy gets me super excited even just thinking about. Not to mention the seemingly close fight with BB. I think that BB will become pirate king by doing something shady like using Luffy's friends like Law as hostage. But after he is PK Luffy will free his comrades and will challenge BB the PK.
The film is bs and not cannon. The fight never happened.
Well, it's a good thing you're not writing one piece.
i think these videos are poisonous for the op fandom
I don't know man. Introducing yet another potential final villain, an on top of that this late in the story, it just doesn't make too much sense for me.
Also, as mentioned, Oda cancelled his plans of introducing him earlier in the story to instead make a movie about him. For me this sounds more like he changed his mind about putting him into the actual story, yet still wanted to flesh his character out in some way, so a movie makes a lot of sense.
I do think though that it's peculiar that Chapter 0 showed him talking about his 20 year plan but that's about it. Other points in the video like him luring in Bege to marry him to Chiffon or attacking Nami's parents in the East Blue feel like a stretch to me.
All in all, I don't believe in it and also hope this doesn't happen unless Oda finds a REALLY convincing way of re-introducing him into the story and making him as big of a threat as the other top tiers in this world. But hey, some arguments in the video give some food for thought and it's very likely anyway at the very least that we'll see more of him in the past
0:10 now whitebeard is sad
THEORY: UROUGE SAVES LAW. (I just don't want him to die 🥲)
Urouge die its better lmao
Theory: the revolutionaries mobilize to save vegapunk and on the way they run into law and help him.
Theory two: bartolomeo is close to that area due to causing havoc in shanks territories, and the grand fleet and/or shanks pulls up.
Theory three: Sword jumps in to save Koby and they help Law
Theory four: Law dies 😭
@@Barbaresantana That's a good trade offer, kill Urouge and let Law live 👌🏼
The big thing that was hinted at by the legends was the movie Shiki was in. You can even see him setting up those trees on that island from the movie in chapter 0. The legends mentioning him was clearly just promotion for that movie. Even if it isn’t canon, it would make no sense to use that as setup for the movie and then again for something else that happens in the actual story and contradict that movie, that would be really confusing for too many viewers.
The Kuruzumi woman turning into Shiki probably just is a sign to show us that she left Wano at some point to prepare their revenge. In this case Shikis face is just there to show us that she left Wano to find devil fruits and connected to powerful pirates to get outside help that ultimately came from Kaido.
And I wouldn’t say every levitating object has to be explained by Shiki. The OP verse is just too weird, things like that don’t even need explanation because it’s just filled with crazy unbelievable stuff.
The only thing we are missing in one piece is a genius like Ayanokoji
Like we have everything
OP characters
Swords man
Gun man
Super powers (like every single power)
Fast characters
Mystery
Horror
Hent*1
Action
Love
Saddest backstory
Great animation
Politics
Good and Bad
Great character
Calm down ayanokoji fanboy
What about Dr. Vegapunk?
@@ricklost9155 imu* u mean
@@annoyingasshole3324 nah i mean he got a point he just meant someone who is intelligent and is pulling string from the behind like aizen or something like. Imu is a possibility but who knows
@@mhu.anurag hmm
Yes but a character who is just a pirate will be more fun because we haven't seen imu and she is too powerful
I love that theory! Especially the part with the slug guy who needs to report back!
so much mystery. who thought aokiji would be on blackbeards crew. but now he is .
Nothing Related To Shiki But Your First
You are first
first
Don’t forget that caribou says he needs to let a “certain someone” know that Pluton is in Wano
What if shiki found the one piece and realized he had to wait for joy boy to show up to take over the world so now he's guarding the one piece waiting for luffy to get there and use him somehow lol idk
you have not even considered the insane implications of his devil fruit:
1: its a devil fruit that can defy gravity itself, fujis power would be useless against him and any gravitational abilities (*cough cough* blackbeard) would probably be rendered useless which is already pretty insane
2: if we are to take the strong worlds depiction of the power at least as somewhat canon, the dude can straight up lift entire continents with his devil fruit, he could send land masses down to destroy entire countries or just float countires into the sky all the way into space if he wanted to, he could of probably destroyed marineford by just lifting it ridiculously high into the sky
3: shiki of course possess the ability to fly already a lot of strength in that
4: as long as he touches something he can control it, meaning if Shiki is fast enough then he can just push back things
5: as I was saying if we take strong worlds depiction canon he can also move intangeable things like smoke, that means he could also probably manipulate gas and other things
6: his awakening I believe would do either two things: allows him to lift objects without even touching them anymore, or allows him to lift living creatures, either way thats insanely overpowered if he no longer has to touch things in order to move them
7: shiki may be able to move the sea possibly although im not fully sure of his ability to manipulate liquids almost.
thats just his devil fruit capacity alone, considering he contended with roger who was an insane haki user no doubt he would need haki to back it up dude is probably a master in all three catagories, I know oda could rewrite them completely because its not fully canon in the movie, but just from what Shiki could do alone, dude is defineatly a yonko level, imagine a yonko who rules over a massive sky island country
also he's not someone who rely on his devil fruits alone he can fight hand to hand or sword fight. at the same time, he is a clever and cunning person. damn he's so dangerous in every way.
Shiki actually has an appearance shortly after the Whitebeard War...After the war with Whitebeard most if not all the supernovas are seen either reacting to the end, or simply making their way to the new world.
In the New world we see the Fire Tank pirates boat and several Islands being sucked up into the sky.
The only one in the series we've seen or heard of yet that has the power to do something of this magnitude is the Golden Lion Himself.
This may be the clever way of Oda trying to squeeze Shiki in without having to wrench him into the EOS arcs or leave him as one of the post-series off screen enemies.
Consider tho that the thing that sucked up bege might be the thing that destroyed lulusia and was used by Imu and the gorosei. I feel like both what you said and the Uranus/whatever the fuck that thing is theorys could fit that thing
....on the movie I remember him saying that he can't levitate ppl... (just got in and just saw it... that's why I remember lol)
love the content! keep it up
海賊に俺はなる
Uta has also been confirmed canon, but the events of the film are not, same as with Shiki. It seems she was part of Shanks crew in one of the manga panels. At least that‘s what I read. I don‘t know for sure if it’s true yet.
And of course we have to see if she will appear again or stay in the background just being alive in the One Piece world
Shiki haki has to be incredibly strong! not only he use his float float fruit to escape empel down he had to also use his haki
Uta is also canon, she had that brief appearance in a manga panel.
One of the most shocking things is that while luffy does yahahahaha teach does zehahahahaha luffy has "a" In yaha and teach has "z" In zeha also remember how it took Roger and garp to defeat rocks if the rocks child is teach than if u put Roger as luffy like pirate King and if you put coby(cobe call him whatever) as garp and rocks as teach it creates 3 people luffy, coby and blackbeard. And blackbeard has zehaha shiki has jihaha and was in rocks crew. And also laughs, laughs are very referenced to one's fruit like whitebeard who at gura gura no mi and his laugh is gurarara and perona who's laugh is horor horor and who ate horor fruit if u go deep into mythology u can see baize a chimera like creature with 3 eyes last 2 letter are ze and blackbeard's signature laugh is zehahaha(unless the man changes it).
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the pictures of rocks keep on getting more and more goofy
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When Oda said that thing about a lurking legend, I thought it was gonna be Scopper Gaban
Shiki manipulating the manipulating Blackbeard sounds epic. It's funny how we have so many contenders for end-villain in One Piece.
i need a meme with Shiki and the phrase "What was he cooking?"
For me oda is going to kinda "rush" the islands for one piece to end basically and just a theory the order would be egghead->hachinosu(rescue of coby and pudding)(possible alliance with smoker(since he's near egghead)and katakuri)->either elbaf or sphinx prob both but no clue in which order the raftel war between yonko's and yonko candidates(kid and law) and then fishman 2.0 and final war saga in marineford and marijeois for me shiki can appear either in hachinosu(but i believe wan ji will appear there already and he will either appear as and ally,subordinate or prisioner of BB since its teach territory and if not there in elbaf as main villain or in raftel war out of nowhere basically.
I think the Bege and Apoo incidents were just examples for the weird weather phenomenons in the new world. They were shown in close relation to the other Supernovas who had similarly odd weather conditions etc
i think when the supernovas entered the new world during luffys training arc,shiki met most or all of them for his plan, and he might be “the man marked by flames” which may be why law also seemed to know about it and not luffy, might be a lil stretch but it makes sense to me.
i would be a very happy man if shiki is back as he is mad underrated .
Very great observation! Shiki is a great pirate for a reason!
Shiki attacking marineford to save his rival,is the most badass thing to ever happen in one piece
Maybe he is the certein pirate that shanks wanted to talk about
This man saw god valley and said "new whip, who dis"
The best thing about One Piece is that there are so many strong enemies and we can't predict the final enemy. Will it be Shiki? Blackbears? Imu?
And the move with Shiki would be a Oda mastermind move.
Dont forget Rocks.
at this point, i figured the lurking legend was Oden's dad
Admiral Fujitora's devil fruit could achieve some of the described occurrences in this video.
Can he apply gravity to things? I forget
You are a mastermind 🥳👏. This theory is just insane, i love it and i hope so damned much of a return of Shiki the golden lion 🙏.
Yes, he is really a possibility to be a candidate for the lurking legend.
When Shiki, should really come back in the future of the storyline then i can't wait to see his real goals, what he is planning for in real 🤔. I want to see his true power and i want also to see everything about his backstory 👌.
Shiki is a very underrated top tier character in One Piece, i hope that he will show everybody, who he IS 👊
You're tickling our taint with this one
Kaido and fujitora could also lift island sized masses with their devil fruits. There's also all the sky islands including the weatherians. We also have the all important odas favorite panels from sabody that could give that might too. Any if these things could explain apoo and bege or the shrine.
The cover with crocus is cool tho, that's prolly shiki and I like parts of this theory.
Im more curious about the man with the burn scar. Beges floating ship and apoo running in the sky has nothing to do with shiki. Those are just natural new world phenomenons.
Shiki gained my respect the moment he cut his feet to escape impeldown
Awesome theory. Shiki is a menace, I wonder if he still wants Nami as navigator
Now this wasn't a theory I'd heard before, but it is beautiful. Lots of things that add up and would definitively fit Shiki's scheming mindset, not to mention settling old scores with his former crewmates and destabilize the new world.
The Oykot and Nami angle wasn't something I've heard about before, and it'd definitively add to her character to have something Like Shiki in it. In a strange way, I think you could even fit events from the east blue saga in this theory, like Dragon's sudden appearance in Loguetown.
So i’ll bite, lets say shiki is lurking, from what i’m seeing things are playing differently than what you are suggesting, the pirate are allying, there’s amassing of weapons, it’s all coming together 20 years later, finding the ancient weapons and waking joyboy up, if you’re gonna do all this then your ultimate goal has to be to topple the WG, that’s what i think this is all about…
After escaping impel down, shiki approached whitebeard with a plan but he wasn’t interested, foreshadowing? Who is to say he didn’t approach big mom or kaidou and that all these yonkou’s haven’t played a part in the plan all along? None of them seemed interested but they still tried to achieve the same goals, mass their armies, discover the ancient weapons, find joyboy, achieve these goals then unlike with xebec, this time they wont fail to topple Imu.
Kaidou was preparing a DF army to wage war 20 years later, the lady (forgot her name) using the time travel fruit is beyond my scope here but i think she over heard the 20 year plan.
Big mom had her army too and was quick to ally herself with kaidou, perhaps for a reunion with shiki, assuming the WG could always have obliterated them, they’ve been working quietly pretending to be rivals.
When beige and apoo were captured entering the new world, if that was by shiki and bartolomew, then i assume they were unknowingly planted to help find joyboy, joyboy’s prophecy must be vaguely tied to toppling the WG. The majority of supernova’s gathered on wano, gives kaidou and big mom the signal, it is time, so they allied, surely one of these supernova’s has to be the joyboy they need to fulfil the prophecy.
If crocodile and mr 2 are also agents of shiki… maybe there is more reason to why he chose to go to impel down in his cover story. Maybe he had the same goal as black beard, but luffy and black beard (AND BUGGY) got the job done.
The marineford war revealed joyboy’s identity, white beard hoped it would be ace but he recognised joyboy and unbeknownst to everyone actually kept him safe, he also denounced black beard in his final words ‘you are not one of them, the men roger is looking for’, now black beard may be a rogue agent in the plan.
So our objectives are set, prepare a army of pirates, we’ve located 2 of the ancient weapons, and we’ve found joy boy…
Spoiler it’s Buggy D clown, buggy is joyboy btw LUL XD hash tag pirate king buggy forever xd xd xd (yes ex dee is my one piece laugh) xd xd xd xd
SHIKI HAS THE 4TH ROAD PONEGLYPH 😱😱😱😱
This take is more interesting than what we are actually going to get.
Being caught up is such a weird feeling
Pretty sure Uta is canon actually, she appears as a shadow in chapter 1055 when Shanks is thinking about his loved ones.
God Valley was probably the Island of the God Devil Fruits or something
Got me thinking of the roles of all the rocks members. I feel like shiki is the first mate of the rocks pirates. And white beard was 3rd in command.
Pretty cool video 🙂
I just have one problem with this theory. It's explicitly said in Strong World that Shiki's DF only allows him to make float NON LIVING things, except for himself... So there's a problem here.
Unless it's reckoned in the manga.