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Just a suggestion since the end of the video shows Liberty Mall shouldn't it be a pile of chared rubble since they bombed the whole building to get rid of all the infected along with the starers and that Claws also great work with the starer behaviour orientation the end bit is especially good to exemplify that when they decide they want you they do not go alone since 2 more eyes show up.
Hey from what I've seen you have a video called uncensored aftermath by any chance have you private the video because everywhere I've looked is not there and you're serious I found it through marcelame "the creepiest Left 4 dead analog horror series you have never seen" encourage me to look at your series and it looks very interesting so keep up good work.
Ellis took a heck of a beating! I like how the survivors were not executed as many believe, instead taken by the military to help and assigned to places they were and even places the L4D1 survivors went.
@@thebigenchilada678 the hell you mean breaks immersion... if anything the government WILL find a way to exploit/use people who seem generally useful (including people who are able to cross a bridge under a set time who have survived for days on their own) when something like this would theoretically happen lmao
@@burnwood6168 the government isn’t nearly competent or compassionate enough to do that. 4 extraordinary individuals are absolutely nothing when you oversee the well being of 10’s of millions, the government would treat them like it would any other carriers. That’s what made left 4 dead’s story so enticing was it’s realistic depiction of how society and the government would react to a zombie outbreak.
The introduction of new special infecteds is really interesting, while left 4 dead had to make their special infecteds make sense for the gameplay you being able to introduce an infected that can pretend be human in a world where trust is a really important pillar to succeed is just incredible
I've found they take unused or scrapped speical infected and use them, claws and meatwall were scrapped, and I love how someone is using their designs.
18:40 I like the reaction of the common infected being scared once the Meatwall is awaken from its slumber, it probably seen many Meatwalls eat common or even special infected being eaten and consumed and probably didn’t want to take the chance before having backup with more common to go in
i think cause most (except the whisperer that was a cool unique idea) were inspired by cut special infected that didn't make it into the final game. pretty damn cool way of using them too.
@@AronCyriacks Mhmm. I do think Claws would be the hardest new special infected to take out considering it took a bomb in a shopping mall to take it out
@@TheRealClaylex It didn't instantly died. Another thing is the bomb that was use against the claws was actually a flash grenade. It didn't do any damage to it but temporarily blinding it for a moment.
15:22 "This is one of the only infected that will actively eat other infected for a source of energy if desperate enough" If a meatwall is in a nearby zone Putting Bear traps everywhere may be a smart move for 2 reasons It will slow him down if he is Targetting you making him waste energy to remove the traps making you a less appealing target Other infected may fall victims to the trap making them easy target so if he's desperate this will give you more breathing room Stealth d'osent seem to be a viable option since the MF can apparently smell
I really like how animalistic these newly infected have become. It is interesting because the Green Flu typically doesn't make an infected person think about survival or any self sustaining measures.
I was afraid Starers would've been too strong, I'm glad it wasn't the case and they actually have weaknesses, while having the claws as a final boss kinda guys. Sounds really interesting and I'm loving it so far
13:20 MIGHT answer what knocked down the Saferoom door back in the "Door" tape. Notice how it says they have high pain tolerance and strength. EDIT: my dumb ahh forgot to say that I posted this at the start of me watching it for the first time
yes but as it started with whisperers they have sense of humanity in them and what not, they are keeping him alive so one they could possibly study and see what happens with him
*empties an entire mag into a starer* Soldier 1 " F*ck,HES NOT DYING, COME ON COME ON COME ON, DUDE WE'RE GONNA DIEEEEEE !!!" Soldier 2." Chill i got this. " *Pulls out a tiny water gun* Soldier 1 " ...what ?...." *Squirts water at the starer, the starer runs away crying* Soldier 2 "see ?" Soldier 1 ".....i...hate...you.." But on a more serious note, whisperers are tragic as hell.
LOL On a more serious note, I am theorizing that the body that was found near the front of the saferoom in "Door" was either the body of Amy Cayden or the body of Winsten. I am also theorizing that the Whisperer from "Door" is the Whisperer that awakened the Meatwall.
I got the links figured out One is ua-cam.com/video/fHq3DpnAd0c/v-deo.html The other is ua-cam.com/video/SStH4N3bfVQ/v-deo.htmlst=-xZAotdyh-Wp98Ud4N3bf Lets go more loreee
I wonder if that meat wall will eventually evolve into that bigger version of meat wall. But that part where it woke up and Stare at Ellis was creepy. And the fact that the other common infected look frighten upon realizing a meat wall was here was hilarious and also kinda frightening since this means the other commons must know that the meat wall will turn on his own kind if he’s desperate.
Imagine how terrifying it’d be if Claws *WAS* a one-off infected, as in the only one of it’s kind. But because of that, and it’s seemingly high durability, it actually SURVIVED the bombing of the mall. That’d be damn cool. Another thing that’d be cool, if “The Sacrifice” hadn’t occurred in L4D lore: how skilled and deadly Bill would be as a NW agent.
Bill: From Vietnam jungles in the sixties to the Supermarket and galleries shops at our own American soil who are now also a jungles where or boys and now also girls die... But now we will have no mercy for the enemy and we will not let them won... BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH LONG IT WILL TAKE WE WILL BE NO LONGER DEALING WITH A DISCONENT AT HOME BECAUSE OF THE WAR CRIMES BECAUSE ZOMBIES OR LIKE MY ONLY FRIEND FROM 70T'S BORN TIME PEOPLE CALLED FRANCIS HAVE CALLED THEM VAMPIRES... AND NO MATTER IF THEY ARE NEITHER THEM OR THEM THE PUBLIC WILL NOW SUPPORT US BECAUSE KILLING OF THE INFECTED IS NOT A WAR CRIME... It's just a part of the protocol 🤗.
I love the fact that the meatwall is a smarter and in turn stronger tank, I wonder if they'll be any new SI that represent the LSI, same ways of hunting like the LSI did but smarter, more deadly, and much more of a problem. "Claws" seems to be more of a mix of a witch and a hunter, only time and new investigations can tell
honestly love about this series so far is the introduction of the two new infected whisperer and starer. plus the fact they are also using cut infected like claws and the meat wall. i wonder if the rat man ,the screamer and ect are going to be added. i think the only thing i would have changed is the meat wall to look more like the concept art but that is my opinion and i can't wait to see what happens next in the story
@xkkx9728 The first one is only half the link, the second half is later in the captions. Recheck the captions around when the meatwall infographic is up.
Assuming that most of the audience was born before 2008 and 2009 (I, for example, was born in 2007), then some of us, not only from America but also from all countries of the world, would be sent to America to fight green flu. Imagine the feeling when every city on the east coast of the USA looks like Chernobyl after leaving, only with zombies... COOL. Some people would even make tiktoks out of, for example, "exploring the ruins of New York" Assuming that tiktok would still be created, which I doubt.
I think they might be using them for their experience in dealing with the infected, as with coach organizing contingency measures for the new SI. I don't think many people would pull of what they did in L4d2
@@Morgan_grail That would make sense, but they state that its a good thing the whisperers target Carriers and just kill them. It would make a lot more sense that they are attempting to recruit them for their Extermination task forces, but just outright killing them? Idk...
You really should have workshopped the name “starer”. Watcher, hider, stalker, lurker - all describe it just as well without sounding like bad conjugation or ESL-speakZ
Do you (creator of this amazing Analoghorror) intend in flashing out more about the CEDA's plans and the world?, and whats the "New World" and "The Old World", is the first one a desingnation for the regions overun by the infected and the other for the regions that survived the Outbreak, or did the Whole American continent get overun and Europe is going for "Colonization of America 2 Eletric Bogaloo"?
It has to be the meat wall that took down that safe room door, cause there is no way it could be easily taken down by a tank or even the claws infected. (I've been been theorizing it for awhile and it's possible the meatwall is what took the safe room door down, given their really and i mean really massive size in comparison to the tank and the claws infected. the meatwall is as tall as a tree.)
Is English your first language? I notice you occasionally use improper grammar, as well as informal language in circumstances I would have thought would demand formal. Perhaps you might benefit from having a few people look over your scripts to help improve them before release? Either way, I love your content. It's a very interesting branch of the L4D world you're developing; I'm always looking forward to what comes next
Bill have died like in the orginal ending of left4 for dead1 but... Everything suggests that... He didin't "fully" died...😳... He is staring... He is staring... HE IS#@***
Okay so i haven't watched this yet, but I kinda wish they would make L4D3 based off this (if IF they ever make it, I mean hey, we got alyx kinda.)but have it like how L4D2 was, add maybe a sprint and aim (ok ok diehard fans stab me) and have a dual sided campaign with the original cast, and maybe add someone from this idk who but could be interesting, make the story about trying to find evidence of CEDA covering up things.
Probably the Canada and mexico have closed their borders with the USA with a help of the international forces of the UN. Russia and China have probably now becomed a leaders of the world... But they are rather enemies in this timeline rather that a friends.
I like your series a lot! Just a question, if all the legacy special infencted died out, shouldn't the common infencted have as well? I don't think they would have a longer life span than the specials, given that they are super weak and always coughing blood and stuff
I think the logic is mutating into the special infected early on put a lot of unnecessary stress on the body that made them burn out way faster than the rather passive commons that don’t do much when not stimulated
Thank you Satanic Lofi for letting me use your amazing music! Make sure you guys check his channel out! Make sure to check out Kinetic Dreams as well! All of their music is such a vibe!
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Just a suggestion since the end of the video shows Liberty Mall shouldn't it be a pile of chared rubble since they bombed the whole building to get rid of all the infected along with the starers and that Claws also great work with the starer behaviour orientation the end bit is especially good to exemplify that when they decide they want you they do not go alone since 2 more eyes show up.
Hey from what I've seen you have a video called uncensored aftermath by any chance have you private the video because everywhere I've looked is not there and you're serious I found it through marcelame "the creepiest Left 4 dead analog horror series you have never seen" encourage me to look at your series and it looks very interesting so keep up good work.
For some reason these links aren't working
What theme is playing during 10:15?
Ellis took a heck of a beating!
I like how the survivors were not executed as many believe, instead taken by the military to help and assigned to places they were and even places the L4D1 survivors went.
A very illogical and unrealistic conclusion that breaks what little immersion there is to be had.
@@thebigenchilada6782/10 yapping
-6 for too much complaining
-2 for taking it too literally
@@thebigenchilada678 it's an ARG after all, so yeah, alternative reality.
@@thebigenchilada678 the hell you mean breaks immersion... if anything the government WILL find a way to exploit/use people who seem generally useful (including people who are able to cross a bridge under a set time who have survived for days on their own) when something like this would theoretically happen lmao
@@burnwood6168 the government isn’t nearly competent or compassionate enough to do that. 4 extraordinary individuals are absolutely nothing when you oversee the well being of 10’s of millions, the government would treat them like it would any other carriers.
That’s what made left 4 dead’s story so enticing was it’s realistic depiction of how society and the government would react to a zombie outbreak.
The introduction of new special infecteds is really interesting, while left 4 dead had to make their special infecteds make sense for the gameplay you being able to introduce an infected that can pretend be human in a world where trust is a really important pillar to succeed is just incredible
I've found they take unused or scrapped speical infected and use them, claws and meatwall were scrapped, and I love how someone is using their designs.
It's so nice to know what Nick, Rochelle, Coach, and Ellis was doing!
Take as much time as you need, CEDA!
18:40 I like the reaction of the common infected being scared once the Meatwall is awaken from its slumber, it probably seen many Meatwalls eat common or even special infected being eaten and consumed and probably didn’t want to take the chance before having backup with more common to go in
I'm worried for my boy Nick
Don't worry, he's got Ellis with him now to keep him company! I'm sure he'll like that.
@@warriordawg1362 Thats not helping. I am sure he would rather work alone then hear Ellis's stories
@@AstmadeusI think by this point he’d actually want to listen to some stories
@@warriordawg1362Yay!
WE LEAVING NEW ORLEANS WITH THIS ONE❗❗❗🗣🗣
The crazy thing is, I could see these type of infected being in a Left 4 Dead game
i think cause most (except the whisperer that was a cool unique idea) were inspired by cut special infected that didn't make it into the final game. pretty damn cool way of using them too.
@@AronCyriacks Mhmm. I do think Claws would be the hardest new special infected to take out considering it took a bomb in a shopping mall to take it out
the meatwall is actually a cut l4d2 special infected
@@Tuddyowoso was the claws
@@TheRealClaylex It didn't instantly died. Another thing is the bomb that was use against the claws was actually a flash grenade. It didn't do any damage to it but temporarily blinding it for a moment.
6:36 They couldn't get their hands on the actual meatwall character, so they improvised
15:22 "This is one of the only infected that will actively eat other infected for a source of energy if desperate enough"
If a meatwall is in a nearby zone Putting Bear traps everywhere may be a smart move for 2 reasons
It will slow him down if he is Targetting you making him waste energy to remove the traps making you a less appealing target
Other infected may fall victims to the trap making them easy target so if he's desperate this will give you more breathing room
Stealth d'osent seem to be a viable option since the MF can apparently smell
Even if you cover your selft in infected flesh to hide your smell the meat wall eat other infected
The fact that the zombie got scared, you already know that you’re done for.
Dude, when the tank threw that common at Ellis, it was kind of funny, because it looked like a Left 4 Deas 2 SFM animation, and those were funny.
yeah, it looked a bit rough around the edges
I'm very excited, this is the best analog horror series I've watched, and it sends genuine shivers down my spine, I love it
You've really been pushing the production value of your SFM animations recently, and it's been paying off! The cinematics look great!
16:56
WHAT DID U DO TO MY BOY ELLIS????
edit: you scared the shit out of me CEDA-
I really like how animalistic these newly infected have become. It is interesting because the Green Flu typically doesn't make an infected person think about survival or any self sustaining measures.
I was afraid Starers would've been too strong, I'm glad it wasn't the case and they actually have weaknesses, while having the claws as a final boss kinda guys. Sounds really interesting and I'm loving it so far
got my first cat today and this comes out
edit: W cat indeed
W cat
W cat
W cat
13:20 MIGHT answer what knocked down the Saferoom door back in the "Door" tape. Notice how it says they have high pain tolerance and strength.
EDIT: my dumb ahh forgot to say that I posted this at the start of me watching it for the first time
We just saw a meatwall take down a saferoom door in the tape.
@@brainfreezzzze6900 my fault, check edit
15:58 - "The whisperer, Sebastin Kingsman..."
Kingsman? The CEDA doctor that kept going on about his love of hamburgers?? He's a Whisperer???
yes but as it started with whisperers they have sense of humanity in them and what not, they are keeping him alive so one they could possibly study and see what happens with him
He was confirmed to be one several episodes ago. The saferoom episode where we hear someone who got stuck. That's him.
A New World variant of The Hunter would be fucking terrifying honestly
this is some good shit to watch while playing left 4 dead and totally not make me paranoid of shit that dont exist in the game
I freaking love this
*empties an entire mag into a starer*
Soldier 1 " F*ck,HES NOT DYING, COME ON COME ON COME ON, DUDE WE'RE GONNA DIEEEEEE !!!"
Soldier 2." Chill i got this. "
*Pulls out a tiny water gun*
Soldier 1 " ...what ?...."
*Squirts water at the starer, the starer runs away crying*
Soldier 2 "see ?"
Soldier 1 ".....i...hate...you.."
But on a more serious note, whisperers are tragic as hell.
LOL
On a more serious note, I am theorizing that the body that was found near the front of the saferoom in "Door" was either the body of Amy Cayden or the body of Winsten. I am also theorizing that the Whisperer from "Door" is the Whisperer that awakened the Meatwall.
im so invested into this its such a unique concept
0:36 to 0:37 so the surviors from l4d2 work for CEDA now, also I guess bill dying is cannon.
L4d1 u mean?
I need to see Ellis and all the other survivors fight the starer hive.
I got the links figured out
One is ua-cam.com/video/fHq3DpnAd0c/v-deo.html
The other is ua-cam.com/video/SStH4N3bfVQ/v-deo.htmlst=-xZAotdyh-Wp98Ud4N3bf
Lets go more loreee
How arent you the top comment?
I want to kiss you, thank you
I wonder if that meat wall will eventually evolve into that bigger version of meat wall.
But that part where it woke up and Stare at Ellis was creepy. And the fact that the other common infected look frighten upon realizing a meat wall was here was hilarious and also kinda frightening since this means the other commons must know that the meat wall will turn on his own kind if he’s desperate.
13:00 You dead brother
Absolutely sensational!! You did a amazing job on this
Damn, this was a good episode
Imagine how terrifying it’d be if Claws *WAS* a one-off infected, as in the only one of it’s kind.
But because of that, and it’s seemingly high durability, it actually SURVIVED the bombing of the mall.
That’d be damn cool.
Another thing that’d be cool, if “The Sacrifice” hadn’t occurred in L4D lore: how skilled and deadly Bill would be as a NW agent.
Bill: From Vietnam jungles in the sixties to the Supermarket and galleries shops at our own American soil who are now also a jungles where or boys and now also girls die... But now we will have no mercy for the enemy and we will not let them won... BECAUSE THIS IS AMERICA AND NO MATTER HOW MUCH LONG IT WILL TAKE WE WILL BE NO LONGER DEALING WITH A DISCONENT AT HOME BECAUSE OF THE WAR CRIMES BECAUSE ZOMBIES OR LIKE MY ONLY FRIEND FROM 70T'S BORN TIME PEOPLE CALLED FRANCIS HAVE CALLED THEM VAMPIRES... AND NO MATTER IF THEY ARE NEITHER THEM OR THEM THE PUBLIC WILL NOW SUPPORT US BECAUSE KILLING OF THE INFECTED IS NOT A WAR CRIME... It's just a part of the protocol 🤗.
I like the fact that the carriers call a tank a "meatwall" which I'm pretty sure is a cut special infected from l4d2
Babe wake up CEDA drop another video
There was no way i was about to see ellis die first thing he joined the series 😭
Fucking amazing work as per usual, can't wait to see what to have stored in the future
Glad to see you back! Keep up the great work on this series!
ABSOLUTE CINEMA
i would quite literally do anything for these characters models they look amazing
The starer had a stroke that’s why Half of their face is distorted
anyway this is such a good video the whole segment with the starer had me so on edge
Already knew it by the end of Parish, the survivors were just too precious to get rid of might as well recruit them
YESSSSSSSSSSS! We are getting the Scrapped special infected!!!!!
I love the fact that the meatwall is a smarter and in turn stronger tank, I wonder if they'll be any new SI that represent the LSI, same ways of hunting like the LSI did but smarter, more deadly, and much more of a problem. "Claws" seems to be more of a mix of a witch and a hunter, only time and new investigations can tell
It starts as soon as I get out of work let’s go!
W timing
This has all been impressive keep it up !
honestly love about this series so far is the introduction of the two new infected whisperer and starer. plus the fact they are also using cut infected like claws and the meat wall. i wonder if the rat man ,the screamer and ect are going to be added. i think the only thing i would have changed is the meat wall to look more like the concept art but that is my opinion and i can't wait to see what happens next in the story
Can't wait!!
These infected should be in a steam mod for l4d2.
Peak just dropped
Was absolutely yelling 'That's our booooy!' during the entire Ellis part
The fact that two of the links found in the captions dont work is a little disappointing, none the less I'm still loving it
The second one works it let us see a “Nest” and the first one doesnt work
@xkkx9728 The first one is only half the link, the second half is later in the captions. Recheck the captions around when the meatwall infographic is up.
Man i love theses
INSTANTLY PEAK 👌
Nick would be like Ellis i'm surprised you lasted as long as you did.
Assuming that most of the audience was born before 2008 and 2009 (I, for example, was born in 2007), then some of us, not only from America but also from all countries of the world, would be sent to America to fight green flu. Imagine the feeling when every city on the east coast of the USA looks like Chernobyl after leaving, only with zombies... COOL. Some people would even make tiktoks out of, for example, "exploring the ruins of New York" Assuming that tiktok would still be created, which I doubt.
rest in pieces Malik the liberty mall Claws can't hurt you or anyone else ever again.
If the infected are able to have their sanity, but still become monsters, then Francis was right. These ARE vampires 😂
Im confused why they are killing Carriers...
It is heavily implied that both crews from L4D 1 and 2 are part of this team, so this is really weird.
Maybe those were whisperers pretending to be agents
Or infected agents that became whisperers
I think they might be using them for their experience in dealing with the infected, as with coach organizing contingency measures for the new SI. I don't think many people would pull of what they did in L4d2
@@Morgan_grail That would make sense, but they state that its a good thing the whisperers target Carriers and just kill them. It would make a lot more sense that they are attempting to recruit them for their Extermination task forces, but just outright killing them? Idk...
got hit with some severe whiplash when i heard the dead island 1 ost when ellis was gettin his ass beat by the meatwall
Man I wish we could have left 4 dead 2 like this
Of all infected,I only fear The Starer
No shot you ain't scared of the mfckin smart predator, Claws.
We gunna see rat man, hell hogs, the screamer and probably something to do with parasites next
You really should have workshopped the name “starer”. Watcher, hider, stalker, lurker - all describe it just as well without sounding like bad conjugation or ESL-speakZ
Do you (creator of this amazing Analoghorror) intend in flashing out more about the CEDA's plans and the world?, and whats the "New World" and "The Old World", is the first one a desingnation for the regions overun by the infected and the other for the regions that survived the Outbreak, or did the Whole American continent get overun and Europe is going for "Colonization of America 2 Eletric Bogaloo"?
Another part LETS GOOOOO
It has to be the meat wall that took down that safe room door, cause there is no way it could be easily taken down by a tank or even the claws infected. (I've been been theorizing it for awhile and it's possible the meatwall is what took the safe room door down, given their really and i mean really massive size in comparison to the tank and the claws infected. the meatwall is as tall as a tree.)
It was confirmed in the episode it was a meatwall
Is English your first language? I notice you occasionally use improper grammar, as well as informal language in circumstances I would have thought would demand formal. Perhaps you might benefit from having a few people look over your scripts to help improve them before release?
Either way, I love your content. It's a very interesting branch of the L4D world you're developing; I'm always looking forward to what comes next
I’m wondering if we will see a variant of the hunter that has the cut ability to turn invisible in the new world
so basically l4d just turns into codename cure after the outbreak has been normalized?
FINNNALY
YESSSSS
OH MY GOD
Valve should take notes of this if they plan on giving something new to the game, just an idea though
this is so cool
Lets fucking goooo
Yoooo this is lit!
i been wating for this😀
What if someone made a mod for this with a whole new campaign? Would be cool asf
I wonder what happened to the l4d1 crew
Bill have died like in the orginal ending of left4 for dead1 but... Everything suggests that... He didin't "fully" died...😳... He is staring... He is staring... HE IS#@***
"poi's of interest"
lol just realized he spelled it "intrest"
work on your english bro the writing is so bad.
Peak Cinema!!! So good!
Finally a good l4d2 ARG
nice touch
YESSSSSS he's back
Necesito un canal que traduzca todos los videos que salen de este canal :(
No hablo inglés 💔
Okay so i haven't watched this yet, but I kinda wish they would make L4D3 based off this (if IF they ever make it, I mean hey, we got alyx kinda.)but have it like how L4D2 was, add maybe a sprint and aim (ok ok diehard fans stab me) and have a dual sided campaign with the original cast, and maybe add someone from this idk who but could be interesting, make the story about trying to find evidence of CEDA covering up things.
so what happened to the outside world ? i mean coach did go aboard .
Probably the Canada and mexico have closed their borders with the USA with a help of the international forces of the UN. Russia and China have probably now becomed a leaders of the world... But they are rather enemies in this timeline rather that a friends.
amazing!
What happened to the barbaque bacon burger though. And the burger tank?
none of the links in the captions work if anyone was wondering
MEATWALL!!!!!! I LOVE MEATWALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESS!!!!!!!!
Can you crown a starer?
Tétrico ☠️
Yall so at 15:28 it shows 4N3bfVQ what the hell does this mean?
Tank Vs Claws???
LETS GOOOO
Is there any date for when season 2 of your L4D series will come out?
This is currently season 2. After this season, one more is planned before the series finale.
What's the name of that Ellis model ? Because I would like to have that as a mod
I like your series a lot! Just a question, if all the legacy special infencted died out, shouldn't the common infencted have as well? I don't think they would have a longer life span than the specials, given that they are super weak and always coughing blood and stuff
I think the logic is mutating into the special infected early on put a lot of unnecessary stress on the body that made them burn out way faster than the rather passive commons that don’t do much when not stimulated
fair feild az ?