David Ellefson Slams 'Abusive' Relationship With Megadeth's Dave Mustaine
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2022
- Ex Megadeth bassist David Ellefson has called out frontman Dave Mustaine for what he claims is 'abusive' working behavior. He says being kicked out Megadeth was like being kicked out of hell.
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Let's be honest. Megadeth was always Megadave. It was always what Mustaine wanted. Other members of the band are just hired guns. He's basically a solo artist.
with good reason, it's his name signing the contracts with label, and putting up the money for the records, production, promotion, tour, staff, etc...
@@paulaitix77 well said
Doesn't mean you have to be an asshole.
@@paulaitix77 Megadeth was originally split between Mustaine and Ellefson until Ellefson sued him and lost everything. Back in early 2000s
This whole thing is just stereotypical rockstar bad behavior from a legacy act. It happens all the time and is pretty dumb, in my opinion. I wonder why we almost never hear this amount of bickering from underground metal bands?
If they are talking about the first 15 seconds Intro of Kingmaker, I really don’t understand the big controversy. The bass thematically sets up the helicopter sound for the king.
The controversy would likely come down to how publishing works. If you add a melodic part to a song they you are part owner and you get more money...which is fine, unless:
Either A) Mustaine said "everybody write something cool!" and then forgot, like Ellefson says.
B) Mustaine walked in to the studio and saw Ellefson recording a part that he never approved of on HIS song (which is NOT cool) and Ellefson is lying, which Mustaine implied when he said Ellefson tried to poach his song and it pissed him off.
C) Little of column A, little of column B and the misunderstanding brought back the feeling to Mustaine of "why did I try to give this guy his percent of the Org after he lost it on me and yelled at me in front of my son, then missed the deadline and THEN tried to sue for the entire value of the Corporation??? (This is covered and documented Mustaine's Autobiography Mustaine.
I believe Jr, based on accounts from other former band members, I believe Dave can be abusive
which one?
@@Vedho do you even have to ask?
Jeff Young wasn't the only one. Or have you not heard Scott Menzies (former tour manager) talk about the amount of fist fights he used to get into with Chris Poland too?
@@danielalmeida7382 no
Having met MUSTAINE on many occasions, i can tell you, he doesn’t have a sense of humor, he’s very arrogant, and he never forgets a slight, no matter how benign…
Dave’s one of those heroes that you know you shouldn’t meet. He teeters on this line of being confident because he knows he’s good and straight up being a jerk. If he hadn’t been fired from Metallica when he was.. I think they would’ve split ways eventually. Some kind of monster showed how volatile Lars and James’ relationship is… throw a time bomb like Dave in there and let that bake for a couple of years??? Dave’s definitely got demons… It’s like Het said about Newsted when they drove him to quit the band.. he said he didn’t want Jason to be happy outside of Metallica because James doesn’t know how to love something without hugging it to the point of choking It.
Said it perfect buddy ! Exactly how I feel ! My one hero I don’t ever want to meet !
I can understand where you’re coming from. I joined the army and when I got out I was working a job. Dave Mustaine showed up and I asked for an autograph. It was 1990 and I was kinda depressed because my job sucked. He gave me an autograph and a pick and shook my hand. It was a kind gestures d I never forget that. I met him ten years later at a meet and greet and he shook my hand again. I thought he was actually really cool. So I guess you just never know.
@@robert.m4676 he was working and does that with everyone on tour. He has to.
@@Emcfree2084 it was at a Hilton and he was hungover. And no he doesn’t just have to. There’s been plenty of famous people who shun people they come in contact with out of the blue.
@@robert.m4676 wishful thinking on your part I suspect
The intro actually sounds pretty good. Not a bad intro to a shitty album. Dave is being a prick (as he often is).
I actually love the bass intro to kingmaker. Huge megadeth fan but that album to me wasn’t the best, kingmaker was definitely a bright spot
@@lefthandedfork3337 Yeah, Kingmaker was pretty solid tbh. Super Collider is arguably Megadeth's worst album since their 2004 comeback, but it wasn't entirely a dumpster fire. It had it's moments.
I like it as well. Rather than the song jumping into the riff it gives it a bit of personality rather than it being just another thrash riff.
@@cristianlopez_8486 the system has failed was amazing wtf are you talking about?
@@cristianlopez_8486 A lot better than 90's Megadeth discography. Except for Rust in Peace, of course.
Megadeth is one of my all time favourite bands. Dave Mustaine is one of my guitar idols. With that said, Dave can be an asshole and he should just leave Jr alone and move on. Dave likes to hold grudges we all know that.
Love Mustaine as a musician. Really dislike him as a person. Met him and he was a total ass to many people and myself that day!
I agree, to be fair he said he didn’t want to talk about him in the interview, but proceeded to give an answer to Eddie’s question
@@lefthandedfork3337 I'm always amazed that people go on and on about him bringing up things and ignore the fact that he was asked about them.
Yea that’s Dave’s weakness. Great musician, but certainly has asshole vibes.
I was really saddened by Ellefsons dismissal from the band, and I have to agree with Ellefsons claims that Mustaine never got over the Metallica firing
Ellefson "what? No warning,no second chance"? Dave Mustaine stops,turns head and looks straight into the camera.
Typically with sexual related scandals there's no opportunity for a second chance, the stigma of what Ellefson did is more detrimental to a public image than someone being a drunk.
Mustaine was right to kick out a person who committed sexual misconduct.
Ellefson sued Dave back in the early 2000. Him rejoining the band in 2011 was his 2nd chance.
@@H.E.M. that's right. And i wonder why people forget about it
@@banahaner648 tbh they could be newer fans or maybe just don’t know at all.
Its about time Jr stands up for himself. The really sad part about this is Ellifson was the closest thing Mustaine could call a true friend, but was always to ignorant to see him as that. Decades the two Daves spent together one always through everything had the others back, the other one I think really saw the other as an employee. A hired hand that he used for studio work and touring. Dave Ellifson should hook up with Marty Friedman and Chris Poland find a drummer and do a tour of Megadeth songs but faster....
It's already happening with Chris Poland and Jeff Young, their doing all the stuff off KIMBABIG and SFSGSW.
Sorry but Megadeth songs without Mustaine wouldn´t work... Look at Creedence Clearwater Revisited (the rest of CCR without John Fogerty).
@@AceCourageRockManiac Megadeth band structure: one goddly boss and 3 expendables slaves.
@@AceCourageRockManiac
Right. Megadeth wouldn't exist without Mustaine's crappy vocals. 😆
@@slybee5057 FTFY: One needledick and 3 guys suffering Dave's ego.
I used to think that dave mustaine got kicked out for a bogus reason but after seeing how he acts towards people after all of these years it's no wonder how he got kicked out of metallica, big props to ellefson handling it professionally like a real gentleman, he handled it more maturely than i think i would. It just goes to show how great of a character he is even when mustaine is still attacking him to this day.
Each has their own version of what happened, and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
Nah probably not in this case. Perhaps if it wasn't well known for decades that Mustaine is a twat to everyone around him, I could believe that Ellefson maybe exaggerating.
Maybe
The truth likely likes between the two but David comes off as much more credible than Megaego, I mean Dave.
I'm with David Ellefson on this,Dave Mustaine has a history of doing this. In my opinion I think Dave Mustaine is toxic and should be avoided at any stage
So don't work for him then
Kerry King turned down Megadeth after playing 5 shows with them, Dimebag Darrell back when he was Diamond Darrell turned down Megadeth because they didn’t want Vinnie Paul
It's just a shame. Those two were Megadeth. Now there's just Dave Mustaine. You just don't see that brotherhood in bands anymore.
Love the comment but put thumbs down cause I don’t like the situation:(
The current lineup seems great to me. Ellefson contributes nearly nothing musically and he knows it.
@@phadrus well look at you knowing your s***
Megadeth has always been Dave Mustaine's solo project. Really, why does he even bother with a band name? He should just call it: Mustaine.
exactly!(
I am a HUGE Megadeth fan. And I think Mr Mustaine is one of the most brilliant guitarists of my time. I have only got to see Megadeth once in concert, in 2016, and I will admit I spent the entire concert twelve feet directly in front of David Ellefson, watching him play. No offense meant to James LoMenzo, but I feel like Megadeth does not really exist as a band without Ellefson; it just becomes The Mustaine Band. The band will miss Ellefson's contributions, not only in their live shows and their albums but just in bringing some humanity/humility to the band. Unfortunately, we all know that David Mustaine is a...troubled...human being. Always has been, and still is. He has difficulty relating to others, and treating them as equals. And thats too bad. I wish them all well.
As guitarist!!! he's the best! as human being, he's not the best!
Well said I agree with you completely. I saw them in 2005 and 2007 I think, both times without Ellefson. I really wanted to see him play in the band. Kind of sad he is not in the band anymore.
Completely agree
We're listening to a band, not one single human being. He was a liability to the band, the press hopped all over his drama and it was going bad. Dave didn't have a choice. It is the BAND. Imagine if they would have dug in as a band and tried to defend him with those weird accusations. TBH I think he's a creep and playing a strange passive aggressive game in the media. If he wanted to move on, he wouldn't be talking about it. He contributed nothing to Megadeth besides being clean at the right moments. Poland and Gar contributed far more to the music that he ever did in all the years he was playing bass. Mustaine has kids lol, how do you think he reacted to all of this? F-ck Ellefson, he's a ghoul. It wasn't trying to bang 18 year olds, it was GROOMING KIDS. The people apologizing for this are twisted weirdos. Lol now he's trying to frame it like he was abused. Gross.
It has always been "The Mustaine Band" from day one! Nothing new there!
Man it’s so messed up how ego could destroy a friendship that was built on these 2 who met at a hotel jamming out
I have to believe Junior's right. Children of abusive parents often go on to be abusive. For four decades. Mustaine has been taking his frustrations toward Metallica out on those around him...and probably himself, as well.
It's sad, because Lars and James did him a real favor by muscling him out to make something considerably better than 'tallica on his own. I hope Dave Senior can one day set himself free from the resentment he's carried since the Reagan Era.
I bet Mustaine is more than just a cartoon character.
Better?! You're a joke 😂 but I agree with rest, among all musicians ever who were kicked out of the bands, Dave is only one that 40 years later still crying about it, that's pathetic, and simply doesn't care for benefits of it, look what he did with ton of other musicians that played in Megadeth, kicked out, trash talking, Kiko is next, just wait
Better than ‘tallica? Yeah for those who are able to completely ignore atrocious vocals maybe, but even then not really unless you also ignore the first 6 Metallica albums. Cue some NPC rolling out the old “Dave’s vocals fit the music perfectly” cope
@@Emcfree2084 Dave’s vocals fit the music perfectly…
@@phadrus beep boop 🤖
Dave is a man of God yet he can't forgive Ellefson for not actually doing a thing wrong
👏
I really find it hilarious (but sad) that a guy who sang for years and years about fake-ass religious loons... became a fake-ass religious loon.
@@dogslobbergardens6606 how is mustaine a religious loon?
Religion is the issue. Everyone assumes Salvation has to do with religion. Salvation is the beginning of a relationship with God and is not about religion. Even the devil believes in God. His relationship is a bit strained to say the least. Bottom line none of us truly know what took place between Dave and Dave jr.
Well, for a start Dave Ellefson is supposed to be an ordained priest who happens to be married, and yet there was that video scandal that led to his dismissal, so, what's a married ordained priest doing being caught indulging in a video session with a girl other than the one he's supposed to be married to?, if that's not doing something wrong I'll be a monkey's uncle.
Great video, I was in a beautiful marriage before my now ex wife left me,i still love her and most times i cant stop thinking about her, i am doing my very best to get rid of the thought of her, but i just cant, i love her so much, i dont know why i am bring this here for, i cant stop thinking about her.
its always difficult to let go of someone you love, i was in a similar situation my wife for 12 years left me, i couldnt just let her go i did all i could to get her back, i had to seek the help of a spiritual adviser who helped me bring her back.
@@jackroyston3263 wow, how did you get a spiritual adviser, and how do i reach her?
@@haynesatteh4463 her name SHELLY RENEE WHITE, you can look her up online, she is the best spiritual adviser she helped out in such a difficult situation.
@@jackroyston3263 Thank you for this valuable information, i just looked her up now online. impressive.
Forget her, they’re all out for the same thing
Ellefson's cool. He seems humble and accepting, and I'm sure it does feel good to be free from Mustaine, Mustaine is warped, gotta love him tho. And ellefson. They're my dudes.
Ellefson's psychoanalysis is spot on. Dave was fired from Metallica, and has fired about 20 Megadeth band members. He never got over it, but that's the fire that's driven him to make Megadeth as awesome as it is. Sure, he's a major douche at times but douchery often comes with great art.
Can’t disagree.
As awesome as it "was" a long time ago. Dave fell off big time. I know his nut huggers don't want to admit it, but Megadeth haven't been relevant for decades. Looking back it is clear who the problem was and is. Dave could have been huge in anything he did. That's the talent he had. But he is a massive asshole. Just the way it is
He has a Metallica sized chip on his shoulder, for sure. I love megadeth, I try to separate the art from the artist but one comes directly from the other.
Honestly Dave Mustaine builds his confidence out of being an ass but fuck it we still get killer albums from Megadeth while the rest of the Big 4 is just… done.
Great art is an overstatement. The man is a needy pick-me showboating in hopes of outdoing Metallica and he has yet to accomplish that goal even after all these decades. Most people would give up but Dave's ego won't let him.
I’ve only got two thoughts.
Of course Dave Mustaine is acting this way. Wouldn’t expect anything less.
2nd, there’s something missing from this story. I understand that Dave used that opportunity to kick him out. But if it was building to that, other stuff happened.
I just hope the kids are OK in this messy divorce.
The new Megadeth album kicks ass
@@arm5080 Some of it does. I think We Will Be Back is a killer track, the rest is mostly cheezy but still listenable.
I'm a fan from literally the demos and Mustaine is Mustaine, but I'm starting to raise eyebrows with Jr here...he's using his words in very manipulative ways...to say Mustaine has "some" resentment towards him and not bring up the $22M law suit he brought against Megadeth is totally dishonest. To claim it's all about Metallica is a complete cheap shot...Megadeth has had 25+ members in and out of the band...THIS is the only time that it was about Metallica??? Not to mention this nearly 60 year old guy seems to be totally good trying to get in the pants of a girl 1/3 his age and, for some reason, can not seem to fathom that it hurt the overall Megadeth brand while they were starting a promotional cycle.
Even if you don't agree with their conclusions, nobody with any sense would think these are minor things...Ellefson had a chance to do it his way and it never seemed to go anywhere...he's still doing Megadeth tribute stuff. If he's that good a song writer then why does he have so few credits in and out of Megadeth???
I generally think Ellefson is a good guy who has made some BAD choices but this thing of "everything is Mustaine's fault" is so dishonest. If Mustaine was so controlling and wanted no ones input, its kind of odd that 9 of the 12 new songs DO have Dirk and Kiko input and writing credits...
@@ObsidianLife yup. That’s What I said lol
i agree he used this situation whatever it really is to kick him out of the band again
I love Megadeth and met Dave Mustaine in Glasgow a few years back where I found him to be a really polite and nice guy. At complete odds to his media persona some might say. I do think however he seems to be bullying Ellefson at the moment. Just let the guy be Dave. Also, I did exactly what Mustaine said and gave Kingmaker another listen. I don’t really understand what he’s talking about. Just seems like a prelude to the album with nothing offensive and out of place.
Exactly, Mustaine can be his own worst enemy. I have had several people tell me he was very cool to them as fans. Everyone has good and bad days. It just seems like Mustaine rubs a lot more people the wrong way. No filter says exactly what's on his mind but sometimes that can be a bad thing. Ellefson has always been loyal never badmouthed Mustaine.
ive met him to he is cool dude but he aint gonna say a whole lot to anyones face! but i could be wrong , he small dude but size dont matter took my best as$ whooping from very small guy , very fast guy , i had to take a nap .but to be honest i like hear Ellefson beat the breaks off dave on radio, love ya dave but ya wrong !! WRONG!!
Dave probably had the last straw with David and wanted to have an excuse to get rid of him.None of us will ever know the full story but it seems like Daves the problem most of the time.
Yep. There's always one common thread, and that's Dave Mustaine himself.
Everybody meets an asshole now and then, and everyone sometimes has trouble with coworkers, and everyone gets in an argument once in while... but when almost EVERYONE you meet has a problem with you and you fight ALL the time with almost EVERYONE you've ever worked with for DECADES... there's a damn good chance the asshole is you.
Mad respect for Ellefson, he was there from the start, an awesome bass player, and definitely enjoying the freedom of being in a different band. At first I wasn’t sure about this but I wanna hear his new stuff.
Ellefson had way to many chances and proved he's a piece of shit everytime. He screwed himself. Now he wines about it to get attention....fuck em. Jr is a total asshole. Mustaine even gave him another chance after Jr tried to take the band name from Mustaine.....Mustaine wrote all the songs as obviously is Megadeth. I'm glad Mustaine canned that turd.
I've been in a band with an abusive member. He could suck the fun and energy out of a room.
I'm so sorry to hea r that you deserve better I think its proposed eago and or dominance you know its like a marriage or a friend ship
Or a band member making accusations that went even true
@@torimig2151 so true, a band is a family.
Same dude. I had an asshole for a guitarist who told me I couldn't do this and couldn't do that. This interview actually describes my relationship with him. When he fired me I felt like I got kicked out of hell. Only problem is I was the founding member and that asshole just joined. He had no right to fire me. But since the other two are afraid of him they went with his orders.
@@etallikesmetal9826 you let yourself get kicked out of your own band..?
megadeath is an exceptional metal band no question there, the trials throughout the bands history have been tragic also. its tough to judge how situations were dealt with in the past but ultimately they were. This situation to me has manifested into something larger than the bands life could absorb which is sad to say the least . My hope is that this bickering between the 2 daves can be ultimately be resolved. The past with metallica is exactly that , and should have no baring on what is currently feuding .
Megadeth....
@@keegansmith7614 if it wasn’t bickering then why are we even being told about it , maybe now one Dave has moved on or so he says
Maggotdeth...
it will never be resolved
@@Patrick_0n 🤣
If you read/listen to Dave's interviews in the Rust In Peace 30th anniversary book you get this really bitter sentiment from Mustaine on people's contributions or attempts to be part of the band post-reformation. Those sentiments are especially clear in his voice
9 out of the 12 new songs are co-written by Kiko and Dirk…
@@ObsidianLife in the book he's referring to the vibe around the classic lineup reunion discussions and how the dynamic had certainly shifted from what they had been in the 90s to a straight up Mustaine Monarchy. If I had to guess what brought out Dave's grump it would be not being in the room when people were experimenting and the notion that they might be committing without his sayso regardless of how justified that notion is. I'm sure Dirk and Kiko, having come in with a different dynamic were far more diplomatic about their contributions and most certainly didn't have that same baggage or history that Junior did.
@@MaxFeinsteinMusic The original line-up of Mustaine, Ellefson, Gar, and Chris Poland was the closest that Megadeth ever got to being a cohesive band. Ever since that line-up dissolved it's been a hired gun situation, I mean if you read Mustaine's auto-biography it's obvious that Marty never really fit in a "thrash metal" band (great player, but he's a little too, uh, nice, to be in a band with Mustaine) and Mustaine never really gelled with Nick Menza. By the time of Youthanasia that line-up was starting to be strained.
@@ryanjacobson2508 I could not agree more. Gar and Chris were practically unhinged as players and when Jeff and Chuck had to replace them for practical reasons the band began to sound a bit too conventional. You start seeing people get fired for more petty reasons going forward from there.
Dave E. made a big mistake got punished for it and Dave M. is still dragging him through the mud? It does feel like there's more to this than Dave M. is letting on¥
If Dave Mustaine is mad about anything it's probably the negative publicity that Ellefson brought to the band last year.
You represent more than the just the band there are a lot of moving parts such as guitar techs, drum techs, management.
He could've ruined a lot of jobs.
Yep
Sponsors could have just said no and ruin any collaboration with anybody that Megadeth could have had. Glad that didnt happen.
@@commisargamerson1666 I mean to be fair, although that video did put the band in a bad light, Ellefson didn't do anything illegal, sure the chick was on the way younger side, but she was still a legal, of age, consenting adult, so I don't see what the big deal is, although I can understand from a business point of view why he was fired...but mustain is salty and bitter and we all know why, and thats why i'll never be a fan of the band, coz mustain can't accept that metallica moved on and made a huge success, its almost as if he forgot why he was fired in the first place...
@@ronaldvanas9492 the picture of ellefson holding his pud is constantly spammed on all of megadeth's social media
Mustaine is gonna bad mouth him as much as he can
@@Jakevoss96 Yup. Megadeth is now known now for Ellefson holding his pud and is a laughing stock, in some circles...and people think image doesnt matter.
Dave wouldn't have let a riff he thought was "really dumb" stay in the album. He's being passive-aggressive and petty.
Dave and Junior both formed Megadeth in the fall of 1983. Mustaine did come up with the name, Megadeth and wrote most of the tunes, but Junior was there from day 1.
I never got a chance to see Ellefson play in Megadeth so I hope they can mend their relationship. Unfortunately, every new Mustaine interview seems to be burning that bridge.
I saw Ellefson on their reunion tour with them for the RIP 20th anniversary in 2010. It was nothing special really. Other than Dawn Patrol the focus was more on Broderick playing the Tornado of Souls solo properly along with the other Friedman guitar work.
David needs to get bitter and resentful, then start a new band for the sole purpose of upstaging his old bandmates. He can call it MegaDavid Jr and reuse all the riffs he composed while in his old band, but faster.
Only he needs to actually succeed at the goal. 🤣
@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 😆😆😆
Been a Megadeth fan since the beginning. We all know Dave can be an asshole and he likes to hold grudges. It is a shame to see him and Jr at odds though. I know deep down they love each other.
My gosh, the media is drooling over the idea of a feud between the two Daves so much that they'll twist anything Dave Mustaine says and turn it into a diss towards Dave Ellefson.
And I've stated this before but I think Ellefson being fired from Megadeth is just a consequence of Ellefson's Toobin tape (as I shall call it) getting out.
Yup. They are trying to twist words without context at all.
Super Collider is not one of their best albums, but Kingmaker is a good song, and that bass intro is awesome! No doubt by the time Dave gets to the "Super Collider Remastered" he'll pull the intro like he did to Marty Friedman's guitar intro on Insomnia.
Dave slammin Dave
I don't want more line up changes, Dave, Kiko, Dirk and James fit perfectly
The continuous lineup change is proof of bad management.
Lol I didn’t think the kingmaker part wasnt that bad
The bass intro is awesome!
I’ve listened to the song and Dave’s bass part sounded great to me and fits the song .
This is all just fluff. Dave has been trying to avoid talking about Ellefson and everyone keeps bring it back up. Ellefson made decisions that Dave didn’t want to be associated with and that’s why he was fired. You’re just starting shit.
Bingo
Absolutely! These interviewers just aren't putting 2+2 together. No one wants to be associated with a pedophile. And as for his bass parts on Kingmaker, why are they arguing over something that happened 10 years ago on what is perhaps their worst album which they don't play any of the songs from live anymore?
The stories have always been that Mustain is almost impossible to work with. Just look at the line up changes through the years. There is no original member of the band other than Mustain.
He had to replace Ger and Chris because that were so high that they couldn't show up to gigs. Was he supposed to keep them?
same thing happen to Annihilator. and why no one bashing to jeff water for oftenly replace the line up
@@yudhayusitraofficial7323 most Annihilator fans do whenever I talk to hardcore fans of them at least
which is the video clip from 2:35?
What ever happened this new album kicks ASS!!🤘 that said I wish they could get along. I've listened to megadeth since I was a teenager in the 80s!!
I seriously haven't noticed Ellefson's absence on the new album.
I thought his parts were re-recorded exactly the same not rewritten
5:27 Ellefson sounds like he's really moved on from being fired from Megadeth? Meanwhile he's prepping a tour with other ex-members of Megadeth, to play Megadeth songs... hilarious! This is probably what rubbed off Mustaine the wrong way. Ellefson was also saying he would like a second chance or whatever, he would welcome the chance to come back... He CLEARLY has not moved on at all
Fanboy much?
Junior has to make a living He knows the songs and so does Chris Poland The two will be able to draw on the club circuit. I don't think it has as much to do with poking at Mustaine as it does paying the proverbial mortgage.
nor does he need to. Megadizzle was Ellifsons' child too - I don't think he means he's simply done w the music and all he helped to create - he just means he's over dealing w Dave Mustaine and his obviously sour, bitter, angry attitude. I'm not in a band w the guy and I don't even know him - but I'M over dealing w Dave. He's such a downer - disguised from time to time w 'reborn' BS. Transparent as a window pane. Don't tell me you're reborn one minute, then the next minute go back to being the same old jerk
Literally the only thing Ellefson is known for is playing on Megadave records and tours. He doesn't have a whole lot of choice for other ways to make a living. What's he supposed to do, put out a solo record no one would give a shit about? So yeah, he's probably going to be playing in basically a Megadeth tribute band the rest of his life.
It's kind of sad, really... hitching yourself to someone else's star for your whole career seldom ends well.
He fact he's off playing Megadeth songs should prove he's moved on, if anything. If he hadn't, he'd be making a Megadeth 2.0, trying to out metal Dave or whatever. He's not. Dude's been extremely gracious about the whole thing... same can't be said about Mustaine.
I agree the part on Kingmaker doesn’t go. It seems cut short. He should have played a 16th note pedal tone note in the end to blend it better.
Mustaine is Megadeth ownership wise. Mustaine forgot that Ellefson was with Mustaine before they actually formed the group, and maybe if Mustaine actually let the other band member's contribute Megadeth might have sold more records. Mustaine has been through hell, and back but perhaps he would have sold 200,000,000 records like Mettalica instead of 50,000,000. I'm sure Mustaine smiles once in a while I think....
But Mustang has released more solid thrash metal albums in general, Metallica from 93 to 2006 was complete garbage, the real reason is simple, James has a better voice and that's why they're more successful, Dave would run loops around them musically sadly he's not a great vocalist
@@michealrosen The voice doesn't always sell more records, or Dio would have the best seller. It's all in the style you like. Mettalica's first three albums started to sell a lot more after 1988 Monster's of Rock tour. I was at the Cotton Bowl watch Kingdom Come leave the stage without much excitement then Metallica came out, and I had seen the crowd of over 107,000 people fist pumping in 100 degree weather being cooled off by firehoses, and that day I knew I had seen the power of Metallica out do every band that day. Don Dokken talks about it sucked to have to go out after Metallica. I still have my And Justice For All concert t-shirt. Then in 1991 The Black Album sold 31 million copies woldwide not counting downloads.
No, it's because Metallica goes for the commercial appeal in their music. It's safe for them. They write the best catchy hooks. And James has a good voice but so does Dave when he's not doing an overly harsh vocal effect. Megadeth has constantly released a higher percentage of thrash albums. Even though both bands each released 4 non thrash albums (mostly metal), Metallica has 11 studio albums and Megadeth has had 16 studio albums all together. That puts things into perspective. Also even though Metallica's last three have been thrash, Death Magnetic was the harder of the three and 72 Seasons is once again there to make the lowest common denominator fan happy. Will the next album not be thrash once again? That's my fear. I hope I'm wrong.
Also thrash isn't as popular as just metal. It's more palatable for the masses. So that's why they sell more albums. Thank God Mustaine doesn't see it that way.
I mean Jr. Tried sueing him, and now got leaked choking the chicken to a 19 year old whilst married to his wife of 28 years. Now comes out claiming Mustaine was abusive??? David give it up, Mustaine does run his mouth but you got no room to be talking about abusive relationship.
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He was choking her ?
He was owed money, he's been with mustaine from the very beginning, immediately after Metallica got tired of his violent drunk outburst... When a bunch of alcoholics can't stand an alcoholic that's pretty fkn bad
@@Kikester It's a saying dummy
I think he probably knows Mustaine better than anybody so we have no right to discredit his claims
Mustaine doesn’t let anything go. I’m sure he’s still pissed at the doctor that slapped his ass, after he was born. David has been far too gracious, and keeping things “respectful”. Glad he stood up for himself, hopefully MegaDave can move on.
Dave probably taught that doctor everthing he knows about medicine. I don't think the doctor even passed any of his exams because Dave passed 'em all!
@@Omar24Music I mean, that's how Dave tells the story.
whats the name of the intro song name?
Dam, I wasn't aware that so many people know so many in-depth and intricate details about the private lives and deepest thoughts and feelings of this band and its members, especially Dave Mustaine.
Thats actually not hard to believe as Mustaine spews out whatever shit he wants to say as he thinks he's right all the time
Didnt junior say that he was willing to get back in megadeth, and that he is sad for how things turned up? What does he mean with abusive behaviour and hell?
I believe theyre both dumbasses, junior is kind of mad that he got kicked out, and mad about the things mustaine said recently, and mustaine is just mustaine... I love him but his personality doesnt really scream manners...
I do see your point, and I feel like in the beginning, when Ellefson was kicked out, he just wanted to not talk shit on Dave and not start drama, but now since Dave just keeps talking trash, Ellefson definitely got bothered by it, and now might be more willing to throw shit Dave’s way too.
I’m such a huge fan of Megadeath…… I muted this to write this……….🤘🏻
I don't believe we have enough insight or inner circle knowledge to have a valid opinion on this subject. I know this though, the new Megadeth album kicks ass and I know I would love to hear the Ellefson version which will never happen and I look forward to hearing Ellefson and Poland in their new project together.anything else sounds like quips from "The days of our Thrashing" soap opera I don't want to hear about it yet when it comes up I can't help myself but to listen
Agree
I’ve seen fanboys before claim Dave Mustaine to be a “national treasure” who should be “protected”.
Well he certainly doesn’t seem to be acting like any sort of “treasure” unless you count precious. Plenty of people saying it’s Dave’s band etc and he can do as he likes. For starters, both Dave’s have been there since the beginning so they should hold equal stakes in the band. Secondly, if it’s just one person running the show then it’s not a band. Little wonder there’s been a constant revolving door of musicians throughout the entire band’s history.
I don’t profess to know anybody personally (plus don’t like the way Newsted was treated) but ain’t it funny how Metallica, for the most part, have remained a consistent unit for decades. The soul exception being the bassist and they’re only on the third in that case. Ellefson is the one person who stuck with Dave throughout. Otherwise it’s always been the Dave Mustaine show. Everybody is expendable to Dave. Know what that means? If you’re in Megadeth, you’re not in a band. You’re a god damn session musician playing backup to Mustaine.
I love Mustaine’s talent. He doesn’t really endear himself to me as a person right now, however.
But the guy who cheated on his wife does?
@@phadrus I’m not protecting anybody. Neither guy is a model citizen. They’ve both made some retarded life choices. Only one seems to be getting on their high-horse over it.
Ellefson is such a sweet guy, the whole thing is just sad.
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The biggest thing is my life that has kept me from being a Megadeth fan is Dave Mustaine. Never cared for him. He's a great musician but clearly a very flawed human being. I'm not pro-Ellefson but I'm definitely leaning towards anti-Mustaine. Mustaine makes it pretty easy to root against him.
Idk I’m still a Megadeth even with knowing how inflated Dave Mustaine’s ego is and how much of an asshole he is.
@@JJ-mu9ev You mean you get bored of Dave's showboating to pwn Metallica? Me too.
@@JJ-mu9ev Personally I like SFSGSW and Peace Sells the most of out their catalogue.
I agree that both bands have lost their relevance, it's mostly a handful of albums that were released before I was double-digits years old that get my attention.
I gotta agree on the manchild aspects and not wanting to stoke that particular ego.
Soap opera is a good way to summarize the drama that follows (and leaks from) Dave Mustaine.
@@JJ-mu9ev It's interesting how metal fandom overlaps with people who can't grow up (I'm guilty) and people who are susceptible to weaponized nostalgia.
Maybe it's not surprising that terribly immature mindsets and ideologies are more common than in the general public.
It doesn't justify any of those issues, it just suggests to anticipate them.
I think Dave never forgave Junior for suing him. All the Megadeth fans i know think it was hard to fire him. ‘Box office over brotherhood’ also was a factor no doubt. Reminds me of Eddie Van Halen’s resentment towards Michael Anthony.
I can see this is going to be a back and forth war of words between the two of them for God knows how long.
High school drama at its finest.
Yep. Buncha miserable old rich men in their 60s arguing like schoolgirls. It's pathetic, but it happens a lot with successful musicians, actors etc. When people get famous young, often they just never really grow up; they're living in a fake world full of fake people who tell them they're gods all the time, many of whom are constantly trying to rip them off, and they're under bizarre pressures that normal folks can't really understand. It warps people's minds.
David Ellefson quit during the Capitol Records fall out. Then sued his way back into the band only after Dave got another record label. Which led to an uncomfortable relationship for everyone involved with the band. For him to act like he doesn’t know where the hostility came from and just blame Dave is BS, he knows exactly what the problem was.
Agree....but then he was GONE, why reach out and invite him back in?
@@Grodd70 He wasn't invited back in. Re-read what I wrote. I can't get into to many details about it.
@@JM-mv7sv Well everything I have read was the band broke up in 2002, David sues in 2004 and did not rejoin Megadeth till 2010. I also recall reading in Dave's book that the two had not spoken in several years and he had flown out to Phoenix to where Ellefson lived. To quote " We went out to dinner, talked about old times and new opportunities, about wives and friends and kids".
That does not sound like it was an immediate sue and back in the band.
Yes .... I bought me and my brother a copy of the album at Walmart...... it's a metal album that has their format on it I found that some of the tracks remind me of newsted... hevey metal album 2013
I actually really enjoyed the weird intro in king maker. I thought it really added something special to that song. It just saddens me that Dave was the only one who didn’t like it
I love the music of Megadeth but only that. I have no interest in meeting or being friends with Dave Mustaine, the same applies to Gene Simmons & Paul Stanley, Hetfield & Ulrich, Kerry King, Varg Vikernes and Euronymous if he were still alive. Difficult people are everywhere.
Well said brother. The music will secure itself to me the less I know about the ego & narcissism of artist mention I learn about. I wouldn’t put myself in a position to meet any of those artist mentioned so as to insure my love & joy for their music & avoid ever taunting it.
Mustaine has always been a smart A. Anyone joining that band has to know that going in. I think it has to do with the way he was raised. His childhood was rough and had an affect on him. Every interview I’ve ever read or heard by Mustaine he’s always condescending of someone or something. It’s just the way he is.
you're spot on actually
It was Ellefson’s video of him stroking his manhood and staring directly into the camera lens. That’s hard to come back from.
It's almost like Mustaine is trying do to Ellefson a favor by bringing up every other reason he wanted to fire Ellefson and not mention the one that ruins Ellefson's character.
Even better, Ellefson doesn't have to hang around Dave Mustaine anymore.
It sucks .. and is sad . I grew up with Megadeth being one my favorite bands ( still is ) Even though Mustaine is clearly the driving force , but Jr. is who made Megadeth a band in my eyes . Those two together were amazing ! And people don’t realize how Jr. helped that band keep moving . There’s clearly something else going on here that we will probably never know the full story . Regardless it’s sad . I had the honor of having Jr. as my A&R guy when I was with peavy for a short time ,and we did a leg of a soulfly tour he was on playing bass . Great standup dude I hope they can get past this .
It's so obvious that after all these years, Mustaine isn't over being kicked out of Metallica. It's quite absurd, given the fact that he has achieved more success as a leader of his own band. If he stayed in Metallica, I'm sure the band would implode anyway.
He has not achieved as much he’s jealous he thinks he’s better than them but they don’t sell as well but obviously more than most bands
Megadeth used to play arenas by themselves, now they’re opening for 5 flavor fruit punch? I’d be mad to.
I met Dave at the deadcon in fort Wayne Indiana that being said I’m local drummer meaning I love Dave’s bass playing so this is the reason I went to meet and greet I met Drew also of the lucid these were 2 totally awesome humin beings I mean Dave probably spent an hour talking on and off with me as people were moving around in the place and Dave he never said one bad word about megadeath and I was so Dam impressed with that he said to me I don’t not wish any Illwill on them I hope the have a great tour again total gentleman and I love the new stuff from megadeath but I will say this I’m total freaking fan of the lucid if any one listen to the latest cd witch I have lol it’s freaking awesome and that is totally Dave’s bass playing with out being told that’s stupid I say the lucid will gain momentum in time and probably give a few band a run for there money 🤩👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻👊🏻💯🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻sorry for long post much love to all
They sound like a married couple maybe they need couples therapy this is all just that he said she said b*******..
2:30 Why would someone, who just signed off on the whole album, then say "if you want to change anything, go right ahead"? Wouldn't that mean he would have to re-listen to sign off again? No wonder Mustaine was bewildered... Ellefson seems like kind of a blockhead sometimes
Yes, it didn’t make sense to me either. Clearly Ellefson is hurt but it’s his fault.
as a Megadeth fan I just wish we wouldn’t hear the shit that happens behind the curtains, band mates talking shit about each other… it’d be best to not air all that drama…
It seems like Mustaine is pissed that he caught so much flack from the fans over letting Ellefson go. He probably didn’t think the fans would make that big of a deal of it and now he’s really annoyed by the whole thing.
Mustaine is the sort of person who could find a way to be annoyed by it if you just handed him a briefcase full of cash and walked away.
He's obviously a miserable person. It's honestly really sad, not just for the people he screws over, but also for him. Happy, well-adjusted people don't act like that.
I agree with Mustaine, Ellefson screwed up
Dave on Dave crime is a growing problem in this country. Smfh
Someone said.dave grohl.david lee roth.dave murray.dave elleson and dave mustain need to form a band.MEGADAVE
It's Dave on Dave crime, people.
Everyone can add something good to the world. Not everyone can be charismatic in public all the time. These people work better alone, and they think better alone. Dave Mustaine is that type of dude. He can be an ass, and he can be nice. But one thing is for sure with lone wolf's is they all tell you what they're thinking. Thoughts change over time. These people just live and don't try and hide behind some fake persona built up over time. It's tough sometimes because of personal growth but I respect that type way more than the type who can mingle with everyone.
It's literally the same riff as the guitar
Mustaine just has salt left on his tongue from a deep pixilated zoom cack
It's not though. Do you play an instrument?
@@KB-di9uu do you? I play your Mums bean professionally. Same riff
Dave Mustaine seems like a miserable, temperamental baby. Dave's life is so full of people that he resents and has shitty things to say about, the problem most likely is not everyone else. The problem is Dave.
Yep. Everybody meets an asshole now and then, and everyone sometimes has trouble with coworkers, and everyone gets in an argument once in while... but when almost EVERYONE you meet has a problem with you and you fight ALL the time with almost EVERYONE you've ever worked with for DECADES... there's a damn good chance the asshole is you.
Interesting theory, but that’s it
@@phadrus Interesting well-documented personality trait that can be attested to ever since he was in Metallica. The man's a bitter, resentful needledick.
Love Mustaine and Megadeth, long, long time fan, but I think it's pretty clear that Jr is more in the right over this particular situation.
Yes I could understand firing him, even though he didn't do anything illegal, but I can't understand re-recording his bass parts. That seems incredibly petty to me and it's obvious that Mustaine does have resentment & bitterness he can't let go of.
Why isn't Rock Feed talking about the amazing Taylor Hawkins Tribute? Just curious
The bass riff to king maker is pretty dopes
Mustaine has always been a difficult human being that harbors resentment. ME-gadeth has always been just about him. Don't get me wrong, I love their music, but he has always overshadowed the band with his personal issues and statements. He is not a humble guy, but is an incredible musician. He has caused a lot of critcism when he opens his mouth because of his unfiltered nature
I honestly feel bad for Dave mustaine cuz he's been through a lot and it's still striving and thriving. As we all have our flaws and I love Dave Ellison's bass playing and it sucks that they aren't getting along but it does sound like something else that isn't being said is the real issue between both of them.a
That kingmaker bass line is awesome
As a music fan I don’t give two shits about either one of their riff raffs with each other. The way I look at it is I get a kick ass Megadeth album and from the first song that I’ve heard off of Elleson/Soto that isn’t bad either. Win win.
You notice how the "only Megadeth" fans have the same personality as Mustaine? 🤣😂
I'm realy like Megadeth but Mustane is terrible person. When everyone who was around him said that, it must be true then. ;)
Helll no dude. I remember the megadeth forums having the coolest and kindest people of any fan group. Dave actually shut the forums down because they kept making light of his behavioral issues towards band mates and crew.
They all voted for Trump too. Mustaine claims he hates Trump as a person but loves his policies. As far back as 2012 Mustaine was calling for a revolution because Obama won the election (Chuck Norris did a television add telling Republicans that voting for Obama would result in an apocalypse of biblical proportions). Dave also claimed that he had the same idea for a border wall as Trump, which is why he claims to have voted for him.
Basically Mustaine said the same about Trump as people say about Mustaine when they say "I love his band and guitar playing but hate him as a person". If you hate him as a person, don't support his band. Dave only turned on Trump because it was hurting his image and sales, he's still a Far Right Conservative like Kid Rock and Ted Nugent.
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Basically fuck Ted, Kid, Chuck and Dave Mustaine. I don't watch WWE either because fuck Vince & Linda McMahon too.
Megadeth is one of my favorite bands but let’s be honest, Dave is a jerk. No wonder metallica kicked him out.
well. that was 40 years ago. but Dave is still known for being a jerk lol
Elefson's claim does have some merit. In the last 20 years how many players has Mustaine gone through? Some players have come back but never stay around very long.
I think Dave’s got more issues than sports illustrated
I'm trying to imagine Mustaine saying, "Yeah, that's a dumbass part, but it's OK to leave it in." Really? Can you seriously imagine Mustaine saying that? Mustaine has always struck me as a mercurial person. Given what he has shared about his childhood I suspect there's a part of him that is emotionally stuck. Anger, resentment and revenge has fueled him for most of his life. As for being a Christian...bwa ha ha ha ha. If he wants to think so.
If you think Dave isn't a christian just because he has character flaws, you've completely missed the point of Christianity.
Prove he’s not a Christian, you can’t. Bwa ha ha.
I think your right, if Dave Mustaine didn't like that intro, it would never have made it to the record
WHY is Megadeth OPENING for that garbage band?!?! Blasphemy.
Because it's not the 90s anymore. Megadeth just isn't the draw they used to be. Personally I think it sucks that that garbage band even exists at all, I don't really get why anyone likes them at all, but oh well... time marches on and trends change.
Lot's of ego being thrown out here. I think Dave Mustaine forgets how he was affected by being fired by Metallica and I think that will always be a sore spot for Dave.
"He wanted to do to somebody else what he felt they did to him" - that is what I thought about recently.
I think it's pretty safe to say there's some emptiness and resentment that I don't think Mustaine will ever overcome. A lot of us have been saying it, to this day, and even with all the success he's had himself with Megadeth, he hasn't been able to let go of how Metallica got rid of him and that they will always be "THE" band no matter how much Mustaine tries to musically surpass them, Ellefson finally confirms it. And the Ellefson controversy is a joke, he did nothing wrong and Ellefson was always there for Mustaine, even in his darkest days. For Mustaine to keep bringing up Ellefson out of nowhere (again) just shows what a bitter man he is. Good to see Ellefson speaking up for once and good luck with his project.
Ellefson cheated on his wife. Dude's not innocent at all.
@@thrgg Mustaine, is that you?
@@tonybp No 😏
Didn't he just get kicked out for grooming a 18yr old.
I can't believe that after 40 years, Dave Mustaine is still pissed about being kicked out of Metallica. He forms Megadeth which became one of the greatest metal bands on the planet, and he's still pissed off about being kicked out of Metallica?
This is really sad...they were great playing together.