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  • @pablodelgado7919
    @pablodelgado7919 3 місяці тому +66

    It's ironic that the writters expected us to forget everything about the GS Ball, yet here we over 20 plus years later and i still think that it was a big missed oportunity to end it there with Kurt.

    • @jamesrobson8308
      @jamesrobson8308 3 місяці тому +6

      It was meant to contain celebi or be related to it but that idea was scrapped when the 4th movie came around

    • @seantaylor424
      @seantaylor424 2 місяці тому

      I wonder if any writer's hope that people wouldn't notice something ever worked. Maybe in older days, when they got controversial jokes past censors, but even those were probably noticed in their day. Seems very brazen for the writers to just admit they were hoping nobody would notice they dropped a plot point on purpose.
      Would have been cool if they came up with some new idea for the GS Ball instead of saying Celebi was the only option. Gun to my head, they could have put Mew in the ball. But a special Mew with reality-warping powers or something so that it's not too similar to the one from the first movie. If not Mew, than a Gengar or Abra or some other ethereal Pokémon that you could buy having powers like that.

  • @LMK-Gaming
    @LMK-Gaming 3 місяці тому +20

    7:16 I have a theory that the Slowpoke Tail item in G/S/C (which serves zero use in the game) was intended to be the evolution item for Shellder to evolve into Taaban but it probably got cut for the whole idea behind it being too dark. One, your mutilating a Slowpoke of it's tail, and two your also tricking Shellder into devouring the tail and evolving into Taaban. Yeah, I can see why GF decided to cut that content early on.

  • @aurahoneydew9607
    @aurahoneydew9607 3 місяці тому +18

    Ah professor ivy short screen time, yet still a fan favorite

  • @Joah1990
    @Joah1990 3 місяці тому +6

    Orange islands was my favorite arc lol.
    It's the game we never got

  • @hectorlumbagoCringe
    @hectorlumbagoCringe 21 день тому +2

    Outstanding work my friend

  • @ShizuruNakatsu
    @ShizuruNakatsu 3 місяці тому +33

    In the original lore, Pokémon actually was set in our world. Real countries existed. Pokémon were a recent discovery. And the 150 known Pokémon were the ONLY Pokémon discovered in the world as of 1996 (it was also 1996 in their world because their world was our world). Animals still existed on Earth, and some even evolved (naturally, over time, through Darwinian evolution) into Pokémon, such as Vulpix evolving from a fox.

    • @Kahadi
      @Kahadi 3 місяці тому +10

      That same original lore also said that how some Pokemon evolve was completely unknown, like nobody having any idea where Machamp came from.

    • @nousukas
      @nousukas 3 місяці тому +2

      @@Kahadi How can you explain a pokemon evolving via trading?

    • @bacd-nn2lg
      @bacd-nn2lg 3 місяці тому +1

      @@nousukas Trade evolutions wasn't in the original Pokemon Green/Red games.

    • @nousukas
      @nousukas 3 місяці тому +7

      @@bacd-nn2lg Kadabra, machoke, haunter and graveler have a word to say.

    • @dror843
      @dror843 Місяць тому +1

      @@bacd-nn2lg wrong

  • @chrismarftw
    @chrismarftw 3 місяці тому +11

    These pokemon icebergs are really good, keep it up man!!

  • @garchompelago
    @garchompelago 3 місяці тому +16

    Pokemon anime writters: Imma leave the GS ball at Kurt and never mention it again. Oir viewers are kids! They'll forget about it eventually!
    **2 decades later**
    Fans: *We never did! Where is the GS ball!?*

  • @PhilipMurphyExtra
    @PhilipMurphyExtra 3 місяці тому +5

    These Pokemon Icebergs are always worth watching, keep it up

  • @DefileOdds
    @DefileOdds 3 місяці тому +2

    Pukas eyes were blue because of how old he was, he literally had cataracts.

  • @MikeSandersonVideos
    @MikeSandersonVideos 3 місяці тому +3

    Great work with these man, glad I found your icebergs. They go into specifics inbetween topics and I love it

  • @johnnyb198
    @johnnyb198 3 місяці тому +1

    Pokémon size differences like in the let’s go series and the original giant Pokémon as dynamic is so cool. Totally forgot that happened in those OG episodes

  • @garchompelago
    @garchompelago 3 місяці тому +11

    If Mew is evil, why so cute?

  • @Kahadi
    @Kahadi 3 місяці тому +7

    That clip connected to the first movie is absolutely nothing important.
    It was stated in an interview with Takeshi Shudo that when making an animated movie, its not as common for there to be fully animated scenes that get cut. They typically get cut during storyboarding or they get put into the movie because of how long it takes to actually animate them. Why go through all of the work animating a scene if you're not sure you'll keep it, and why cut a scene when you've already put so much time and work into animating it? That's not to say it doesn't happen, its just not as common for an animated movie to have deleted scenes as it is for a live action movie. But they do need trailers before they finish making the movie, so sometimes they'll just quickly animate scenes as promotional material for trailers. Stuff that can be done without the script or storyboards finished, that, compared to the rest of the movie, don't take as much time to make. This was said in response to the many scenes in that trailer that weren't in the movie, scenes like Ash and Pikachu running from some sort of explosion or a portrait shot of Mewtwo, face half covered in shadow with random lab equipment in the background. The trailer is full of such scenes, making it quite possible that the stuff that looks like Miranda and Misty with a little girl was the same sort of thing. There's no real story that happens with them, it just shows them playing with Pikachu a bit and walking hand in hand.
    But beyond that, what else is there to suggest that it was not supposed to be an older Misty with her daughter (her's and Ash's, according to most people that think they know for certain)?
    Well, for one, Miranda doesn't look any older, even if Misty does look a bit older. There's no dialog in the scene, the closest being that the third anime ending theme in Japan, Fantasy in my Pocket, plays in the background throughout the trailer. Which brings up the next point, the fact that Miranda's Japanese VA, Sachiko Kobayashi, sang that very song, among a few others. And singing Fantasy in my Pocket alongside her was Juri Ihata, who was only 10 at the time... And Misty's Japanese VA, Mayumi Iizuka, seems to have been the one that did the voiceover at the end of the trailer saying when the movie would be released. She is also a singer and sang some songs in the series, but as she didn't sing Fantasy in my Pocket, that's irrelevant to the topic. But there's one possible answer. They had Kobayashi and Ihata in via the background music and called Iizuka in to say when the movie would be available and were making promotional scenes, stuff unrelated to the story or movie itself and just made to attract interest, so why not include a scene of the three of them playing? Besides, if it's aupposed to be Misty and her daughter, why is Miranda there? A character that, prior to that scene, nobody had ever seen before, that would not be introduced until that movie, shown in the trailer hinting at a supposed ending scene with Misty and her daughter? It makes no sense for Miranda to be there for the claimed meaning of the scene.
    Then there's the more theory-specific point. The most prevalent claims that its supposed to be a grown up Misty with her's and Ash's daughter claim that the original idea was for the movie to finish off Pokemon as a whole, saying that it was done before they decided they would do the second generation of games and was scrapped when that changed. Which is complete BS since they hinted at gen 2 with the very first episode of the show and were initially intended to release in 1997, the year prior to the trailer's first airing. Even if you argue the anime series was what would end, or st least Ash's story, and not Pokemon as a whole, there are flaws with the claim, namely the timing of the trailer airing in the midst of the Electric Soldier Porygon hiatus. The trailer says "this July" and has a message stating the movie refrains from "extreme scenes" to calm worries after Electric Soldier Porygon. The incident happened in December 1997, and the show returned April 1998, with the movie releasing July 1998. And clearly the movie is in early enough development that they didn't have enough scenes from the actual movie to fill out the trailer and seemingly didn't even have the ending song for the movie done yet, since Fantasy in my Pocket isn't in the final movie and debuted as the ending theme with Electric Soldier Porygon. Even by their original schedule, the timing lines up weird. The hiatus set them back about 2-3 months, with the latest confirmed change being that episode 53 was scheduled to release May 5, 1998 but instead released July 9, 1998, ending up the final episode before the first movie premiered. If we extrapolate from there, assuming the anime had the same progression instead of rushing to the end faster than they finished the season, Ash would have only been facing Blaine when the movie aired, which lines up with an interview saying the first series was planned to last a year and a half (a year and a half from the original airing in April 1997 gives October 1998, and the original series finished January 1999, which accounts for the 2-3 month delay caused by the hiatus, with some room for other potential delays or a slight lengthening of original plans) but it is really early for them to wrap things up with a movie, and yet the timing of the trailer would suggest they were far enough into production they should have known if they were finishing up with the series as a whole or even just with Ash. The timing for everything just doesn't make sense, especially with the hiatus they ended up taking.

    • @Kahadi
      @Kahadi 3 місяці тому +2

      And if that still isn't enough evidence, if the horrible scheduling it would require paired with an interview saying they wouldn't have done that giving a vague possible explanation as well as external information giving a more detailed potential explanation all while pointing out holes in the notion based solely on the clip itself doesn't all together already disprove the idea of the clip showing an adult Misty with her daughter, specifically the daughter she was supposed to have with Ash, then I only have one last piece of evidence disproving it.
      Technically this evidence is disputed, but I fond the counter evidence to be... Lacking in support.
      What evidence is this? A Q&A in 2019, where Kunihiko Yuyama, the director of the first Pokemon movie, and I believe every other Pokemon movie as well, was asked about this old mobie trailer showing what appears to be an older Misty and why it was scrapped, to which he responded saying that although it resembles Misty, it is not Misty, but understands why people would make that mistake.
      Now, why is this evidence disputed? Because people claiming to have been there in person insist Mr Yuyama was mistaken about what scene the question was referring to. Specifically, one person says the translator had to ask the person to repeat their question, which apparently didn't give a lot of context, and the reply seemed vague and like they were out of time. She then claims the original question didn't specify that the scene came from a trailer, let alone the first trailer of the first movie, just saying it was a scene of "an older Misty and a little girl", insisting the whole thing must have been misunderstood because of the lack of detail with them and others believing that he was instead thinking about two recurring background characters from Lucario and the Mystery of Mew and later movies. Why? Because Mr Yuyama gestured the idea of a ponytail when saying the character's hair resembled Misty's and Rica Matsumoto, the VA for Ash in Japan whom was also at the Q&A, chimed in to say there are a lot of beautiful ladies in the series, so it would be easy to get confused. And since the little girl in the trailer doesn't have hair that resembles Misty's, he must have been talking about someone else.
      I personally dispute all of that. I will admit that I was not there, but even without considering the possibility the person mentioning these flaws was lying about being there, there are still issues with their claims. I can only find one source for the questions and answers, and I'm not sure their source, but they list the question as being "What's with that old Movie 1 trailer featuring what seems to be adult Misty? Why was it scrapped?"... Which contradicts the claim the asker didn't even specify it was from a trailer, let alone a trailer for the first movie. Even if that isn't word for word what eas asked, it doesn't make sense for the reported question to specify a trailer for the first movie if the actual question just said "that scene with an older Misty and a little girl." Next, the reported reply was "Mr. Yuyama says the girl in the trailer isn't Kasumi but concedes that the hair is pretty similar and so he can see how people could make that mistake. Ms. Matsumoto added that there are so many girls in Pokémon that it's easy to mix them up sometimes." That would have to be pretty far off of what was said to not really answer the question. I mean, the question directly asks about what looks like an older Misty and he directly says "she looks like Misty but she isn't." I don't get the claimed interpretation of that referring to the little girl, the supposed daughter, and not the one that looks like an older version of Misty. Then there's the characters they think he was referring too, a little girl with orangish-brown pigtails and an older woman with brown hair done up. They look nothing like Misty and completely miss the whole "an older Misty" aspect.
      All in all, there is a massive difference between the reported question and answer and what this person claims was actually said. And as far as I can find, there is only one source for either side. And while there is the consideration for them asking about a trailer from over 20 years ago and the potential for confusion or mistakes on the part of the translator, the denial claim just doesn't make sense. Both versions have the person asking about a scene with an older Misty and a younger girl, whether he specified where the scene came from or not, but the denial claim insists that, despite that, the response was referring to the younger girl, whom doesn't look like Misty, instead of the older one that does look like Misty, and thus must have been thinking of two characters from a different scene, neither of which look at all like Misty? One claim is a straightforward answer saying that it isn't Misty, disproving claims of the scene proving Ash was supposed to end up with Misty. The other sounds more like someone refusing to accept the answer so badly they'd rather make massive stretches and reaches with no evidence that require Yuyama and the translator to be incredibly confused about the term "older Misty"
      So there you go, several bits of evidence suggesting that scene is... Completely meaningless. And anyone claiming it portrays an older Mister with her and Ash's daughter is stuck in their own little fantasy.

    • @BloteAapOpVoeten
      @BloteAapOpVoeten 3 місяці тому +2

      Tldr

  • @bossamgenshin6746
    @bossamgenshin6746 3 місяці тому +15

    Wait if the "normal animals" are extinct few years ago before pokemon series started, does it mean that all pokemon wiped out the entire animals population? as in, the worst invasive species ever? 🤔

    • @honestkyn718
      @honestkyn718 3 місяці тому +1

      I prefer to think Arceus and the gang causally alter reality on a whim

    • @christiancinnabars1402
      @christiancinnabars1402 3 місяці тому +3

      My headcanon is that "normal animals" in the Pokemon world are also types of Pokemon, since humans and co are also descended from Pokemon. But the "normal animals" just ended up being outcompeted in their ecological niches, ending up going the way of fossil Pokemon/Hisuian Pokemon.

    • @DominaRatio
      @DominaRatio 3 місяці тому +1

      To me Pokémon are simply the animals of their universe

    • @IAmMissingnoMaster
      @IAmMissingnoMaster 3 місяці тому +3

      That's honestly my headcanon. Pokémon are, strictly speaking, superior. I mean, who's winning a territorial struggle, a lion, or a lion that can breathe fire?

    • @marcop.525
      @marcop.525 3 місяці тому +1

      My version is a little more creepy, i think that alien invasion was more in a Anyliation movie style

  • @tomagray1811
    @tomagray1811 3 місяці тому +4

    Brock had a trench coat so he could use HM05 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @dror843
    @dror843 Місяць тому

    love indigo league season so much magic unknown things the giant dragonite etc. and masaki lighthouse is one of my favourite episodes too

  • @ShizuruNakatsu
    @ShizuruNakatsu 3 місяці тому +4

    Bringing back extinct creatures by cloning "Amber". Clever girl XD

  • @Abraham_Torres
    @Abraham_Torres 2 місяці тому

    I am convinced that the only reason Gamefreak did not add Ónix and Steelix to Scarlett and Violet was bc they knew we’d have fun role playing them as Crystal Ónix or even Mega Steelix using Terrastial, especially now with the Stellar type. 😂😂😂

  • @sdj0914
    @sdj0914 3 місяці тому +2

    Venustoise was already inspired some pokefusions we already had like black & white kyurem, dusk/dawn necrozma, ice/ghost rider calyrex

    • @nousukas
      @nousukas 3 місяці тому

      What are you talking about? Yes, we have those pokemon fusions, but venustoise predates them all for atleast 15 years. So if you are saying venustoise gave the inspiration for fused pokemon, I think it really wasn't, because everyone can come up with the idea of fusing two pokemon.

  • @23mustang32
    @23mustang32 3 місяці тому

    Damn that theory about fairy types was super cool, I had never thought about that. I haven’t seen your X and Y iceberg cause I was gonna wait to finish the XYZ series lol. Me encantan tus videos compa, ojalá que tengas un día bien chido 😎

  • @cayder7485
    @cayder7485 3 місяці тому

    Thank you for another banger bro 🔥 have a great weekend

  • @dilliondantin
    @dilliondantin 3 місяці тому

    Been watching your videos here and there, but this one got me to subscribe
    Good one

  • @dirtpeanut1820
    @dirtpeanut1820 3 місяці тому +1

    Prof Ivy did bum stuff to Brock.

  • @Venemofthe888
    @Venemofthe888 3 місяці тому +1

    Pokemon being different colours but not being shiny actually does make some sense. The pink pokemon were explained to turn pink because they ate nothing but the pink fruit which was on the island. This has been observed in our world with Flamingo's getting their pink colour from eating a certain type of shrimp which turned their feathers over time pink.
    The orange island pokemon having a different appearance too is also explained due to the climate they are in maybe producing slightly different affects and looks onto them plus we have animals in our world that are very similar too each other but are in different climates to change their appearance to adapt and survive. Thats what i think they were going for there. One lapras being a slightly lighter colour is nothing too noteworthy either since it could just be a slight colouration in terms of genetics

  • @garchompelago
    @garchompelago 3 місяці тому

    I hope you continue this iceberg for all anime series. I watched everything from episode 1 to last. All Specials. All movies. Even the banned episodes. All of Ash's adventures.
    Yet I dont remember most events since the show has been so long.

  • @kxngklizhy9185
    @kxngklizhy9185 3 місяці тому +3

    Another Eisenberg Video?! Im on it!

  • @bubblewrapwallpaper
    @bubblewrapwallpaper 3 місяці тому

    That green weedle kinda crazy tho

  • @ΑθανάσιοςΣκαρμούτσος

    Never stop making videos!!

  • @nickynegron3515
    @nickynegron3515 3 місяці тому

    I have to say this because everyone says it without remembering the true facts but the 'uncut' version of Mewtwos origin is available in America on the newer DVD release, if I'm not thinking that two part special about a Virtual Oak. I had both on DVD and the Mewtwo origin was there in english

  • @garchompelago
    @garchompelago 3 місяці тому +3

    Venustoise and the Fusion of the 3 Kanto legendary birds in the manga are most probably the inspiration for Pokemon Fusions. A fangame.

  • @yashy2x
    @yashy2x 3 місяці тому +2

    Instant sub

  • @lowkeycolors
    @lowkeycolors 3 місяці тому +1

    Yay another iceberg!

  • @seikou1762
    @seikou1762 3 місяці тому

    Imagine if one day primape showed up at ash's house as an annihilape

  • @MinusThePrevail
    @MinusThePrevail 3 місяці тому +2

    Love this damn series!

  • @guillermoguardado
    @guillermoguardado 3 місяці тому

    There already are fusion mechanics with Kyurem and Necrozma 18:08

  • @marcop.525
    @marcop.525 3 місяці тому +1

    So next game it will be the Fusion gimmick 😅 17:43

  • @WindowsXPFrog
    @WindowsXPFrog 3 місяці тому

    Weird. I turned the bell icon for your channel on like five seconds before you uploaded this.

  • @slayparty
    @slayparty 3 місяці тому +5

    my brain is so rotten when you said "a mongoose" i thought it was an amongus

  • @bacd-nn2lg
    @bacd-nn2lg 3 місяці тому +2

    You should better ask the questions what was abandoned, and then make a iceberg.

  • @aurahoneydew9607
    @aurahoneydew9607 3 місяці тому

    Her man, we don't like the word partner. it's too cold and distant.

  • @firemiracle
    @firemiracle 3 місяці тому

    About professor ivy, some people have a theory that the reason why Brock became so depressed and left her is because it could be possible that she is lesbian.

  • @TheCravenom
    @TheCravenom Місяць тому

    22:06 what if he had made just a fairy type detector ?

  • @thenderson260
    @thenderson260 3 місяці тому +1

    HM 05 👍😂

  • @ShokoArc
    @ShokoArc 3 місяці тому

    Dios mio
    It has been Eons since I've heard of Ares

  • @rrickydanby
    @rrickydanby 3 місяці тому +4

    Algorithm comment

  • @idiocityproductions
    @idiocityproductions 2 місяці тому +1

    I refuse to believe that crystal onix has anything to do with that piece of trash gimmick or trash game. Debunked.

  • @Neil_Mason1
    @Neil_Mason1 3 місяці тому +1

    1st

  • @RazHolly
    @RazHolly 3 місяці тому +1

    This is the worst “iceberg” I’ve ever seen. I had to stop because everything you say is a theory and YOUR thoughts. Also your tip stuff isn’t all that “widely known” starting with Professor Ivy and theories was a horrible start. Judging by the name of your channel, you should be an expert iceberg builder. Facts facts facts is the name of the game. Stop putting your own narrative into every section. Just state the facts. “I think” makes it so that it’s your thought and not the fact.