Tyler Durden started with noble intentions like i talk about in the video but he becomes increasingly radical to the point where he brutally beats members for no reason, strips them of their individuality to make them project mayhem drones. He also blows up those buildings at the end having no concern about collateral damage or the repercussions
There’s nothing wrong with the matrix, American psycho, joker etc. they’re all good movies, the problem is just like with religion, these people like to find hidden meanings behind the movies/characters that reaffirm there already warped belief systems. The movies on their own are perfectly fine, I personally like them. It’s when you look up to someone like Patrick batemen or the joker as a hero, or a beacon for your beliefs that it becomes a problem.
I love how so many people remember Tyler Durden's criticisms of consumerism but miss the fairly significant part where he indoctrinates an army of men into becoming the disposable foot soldiers of his cult. He's not meant to be the hero.
🎯! durden starts off as a positive (yet crude) figure who helps the narrator and other men break out of their shells, but eventually uses all them for his own dream
Damn..how much can you be brainwashed to stand 3 days in the same place to get involved in something you know it might get you ki.lled ? what kind of cult leader wouldn't constantly put himself in the same dangers as his followers?
Durden's criticism go beyond mere consumerism and capitalism, they go after civilization itself, and indeed there are numerous tenets of "anarcho-primitivism" to be found in Fight Club. That being said, whatever "bad behavior" Durden may engage it, that behavior does absolutely nothing to cheapen the criticisms he levies against the status quo....to discount his previous criticisms would be nothing more than an ad hominem fallacy
Nothing wrong with that thought, you should have known cause your pfp is the European Union flag, an organization of countries with all with their respective armies with disposable foot soldiers who are indoctrinated to die in case any burocract of EU starts a war.
@@Gamfluent It's not just women you stupid f*ucking c*unt, just spamming this in the comments not a good response to the critique and not winning any arguments.
I think it's important to examine where the emotions come from without endorsing the action, for example when the Joker says people would walk over his dead body on the street, he is expressing a justified anger, but it's also obvious that he's mentally unstable as a result of this negative society and that being mentally ill and shooting people up is not a good thing (duh). Like when I say US intervention in the Middle East caused 911, I'm not saying 911 was good, I'm pointing out how one bad thing caused another bad thing and we should stop doing the first bad thing if we want the bad reaction to stop, that's what these movies are doing also and they're all great pieces of cinema... people just lack critical thinking these days.
Wolf of wall Street is always one that annoys me for people to use for their sigma shit, I reckon few of those ppl have actually seen the film as it literally shows the flaws in the way he lives
maybe for them these flaws are not realy flaws? like, good movies don't do the criticizm loudly, they instead portray the reality that they criticize, but if all these portrayed flaws seem like not a big deal or even a good thing for these people, then it's not surprising that they will love this movie just because it realistically portrays who they are/want to be
The thing is, a lot of them don't see them as flaws. They genuinely think that their qualities are good, which really says a lot about how self centered and unempathetic these "sigma male" peeps really are. Either that, or it's what you said. A lot of people just watch a few clips out of context and think they understand the film and the character. I'm sure many of them saw a few clips of Patrick Bateman or Tyler Durden out of context in scenes where they look badass or cool and think, "Wow, I wanna be like that. I wanna be muscular, charismatic, confident, etc." Because they haven't seen the full character. However, those who have seen the entire movie and understand the characters and STILL see them as aspirational and likable are the ones who concern me.
Wolf of Wall Street suffers from the same problem as Scarface- ostensibly it's a cautionary morality tale, but it's also so packed full of awesomeness that it kind of becomes hard to see the message after a while. Don't get me wrong I think both films are great and wouldn't be the same if they were made as more traditional cautionary tales (a la The Godfather), but the way the lifestyles of the main characters are presented is definitely more appealing (especially to young men) than not a lot of the time. Scorsese's moral messages are normally abundantly clear, but I definitely got the impression he didn't quite know what he was trying to say with Wolf of Wall Street. With this in mind, personally people doing the "literally me" sigma thing for Wolf of Wall Street (or Scarface) annoys me a lot less than when they do it for movies/shows like Breaking Bad or American Psycho, which present characters that are so obviously and clearly contemptible in every single way that only a real moron could see them as role models. Fight Club is another one I'll kind of forgive, because while Tyler Durden is clearly ultimately the villain and the movie is in part a satire of how extremism on either side leads to mental enslavement, another part of it is meant to be inspirational and thought-provoking for disenfranchised young men (that's what makes the movie so interesting, it doesn't have a single, uncomplicated message that picks one side). Although the irony of people worshipping both Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman (who could not be more opposite in every way imaginable and would absolutely detest each other if they met) is pretty fucking hilarious lol.
this is why i stopped associating myself with sigma male, alpha male or red pilled community. i used to believe it was just about self improvement, but now its all about being a sociopath manipulator, a psychopath and a toxic person, its why i stopped listening to these red pilled influencers almost every one of them is doing to get fame or riches. i agree on your take of self improvement, self improvement is about improving your life, be healthy, eat healthy, removing bad habits, etc. but the red pilled community think its about revenge, to please someone, or to just basically a douche bag. i also agree with blade runner being one of the best and real sigma male movie, i can relate to the whole ai gf and that shabang, i used to believe that an anime character would love me even though she isnt real and even if she was i doubt she would love someone who she doesnt even know and goes crazy for her. i honestly believe that real masculinity is about being a good person who doesnt lash out over simple thing, being a good influence to younger generations, being a gantleman basically and being a man of God. its honestly sad that many men think that being toxic is kool and bad4ss and being a good person is being a pus5y. alas i hope there will be someone who will show what real masculinity is.
thank you for the in depth comment and i 100% agree with your assessment. a lot of people call me anti self improvement because of my titles or content sometimes but its the opposite. i think our young men getting into fitness, finance, and being aware of whats going on is great. However, so many of them are doing it for the wrong reasons to get bitter not better.
@@OzymandiasV2Why get Into fitness if you are not supposed to be shallow? Being healthy makes sense as far as it increases your life expectancy + saves one from a lot of trouble concerning only yourself and your body, impacting your quality of life, like obesity, back problems and head aches. But being fit? If you arent enjoying company or the feeling of doing a sport, there is no reason in doing it, as the benefits can be reduced to a short rush of dopamin once you reach a certain goal/ the satisfaction of your arrogance because you look Good. So No point in getting into fitness for the Sake of fitness. Why get into finance if you aren't supposed to be materialistic? What purpose does being rich serve once you earn above a certain limit that garantues a stable and proper life for yourself and your Family? And while that may be much to ask from the average person, it already applies to the average finance skilled man. Since it is a misbelieve a poor person can escape his misery by something Else then sheer luck regarding financial wisdom (meaning hard work/studying are the real boxes you have to check, not finances), it is only logical that merely these, who already posses a lot can make a relatively steady and secure investment and expect a return. This misbelieve Was set into the world by No other than the last mentioned group of people, powerful politican groups: "Come on poor guy, if you would just get into finances, you can become rich too!" To justify the comfortoable position they inherited/gained by luck without the hard work. Truth is, while a construction worker or inventor or peasant or teacher all benefit the world with their work and create a value through it, The value behind money cant be generated by buying stock. You are not Helping society, if you make Profit you Took it away from someone. Greedy and selfish, All in all nothing to strive for. Lastly, why get into being aware of whats going on if you dont strive to reach a position of actual power? People just love to see the talkshows, news, wars, This politican's new idea, this influencer's insta, everyone fighting for an own cause. But the in reality, this Illusion of political wisdom you Gain is nothing but a brainless time killer. All the time I spent Under political videos commenting, achieving nothing but a Bad mood. 1. Do you Want to be educated with whats going on too form yourself an opinion? But a opinion has to backed up with actions or it becomes irrelevant at best, harmful (repressed emotions) at worst. But the only action the commen people have Access to is a vote every few Years! And now your vote counts just as little as the most uneducated one's. But Mainly the options are so limited that your background prolly didnt make a difference: ever heard of a democrat who one day did Massive research and came back a republican? No. So for him voting Blue, The political education Played No role. 2. Do you Want to be educated with whats going on to convince others, giving your vote more power? That doesnt work. Its pointless and toxic trying to convince people in a subject that doesnt particulary connect you two (telling your kids why 8h TV is Bad? Valid. Convincing your uncle that indians for native americans is offensive? Pointless, senseless, useless). All this time was me being informed ever of help? Did it help me to know there was school shooting on the other side of the world? That the poles are melting? That ugandas president is a racist? No. Focus on yourself, dont cut out the people who Mean much to you because of certain ideals, stay in developement, dont try to achieve perfection. And watch fightclub again. Like the idea of your channel, best of success in the future.
Probably my absolute favorite video so far, I already understood these movies the way they were intended but, you definitely summarized them even better it's actually insane that these sigma males might not even understand this video. Love you Ozy keep up the great work man!!
One of the things I've noticed with the "sigma males" is that most of them haven't even watched said films, they make edits of the most "sigma" moments of the main characters by copying them from other people; They pretend to have watched the films so that they can "fit in" within the "sigma" community as well.
@@OzymandiasV2 EVERYTHING proves you're correct; weird how that works. "A small amount of comments" could be described as a "subset"... But sure... "the comments on a feminism post justifies feminism" and "people booing kneeling is why people kneel" ..
ive watched some of these "sigma" movies before, it was falling down (1993) the main character was no where a sigma male, he was relatable until the middle section of the movie, though i like the sigma memes and people whos parodying it
@@OzymandiasV2As a person who legitimately thought I was “sigma”, I took most of those clips as jokes, but I feel like sigma should be all of the positive traits of what should classify as such. Do I look down on others? No. Do I hate a certain demographic? No.
Man I miss the times when Sigma male shit was just a joke and satirical meme to joke about hustle dudes and tech bros , now it's full of edgy,racist, misogynstik 13 year olds . And like this shit not like other memes we have this meme at least 2 years, mostly we forget about the memes in a week , ( I do think it's because the teenagers who growing up without a father figure so they try to make their personality based on internet , that's fucked) I do think it's gonna die tho I wish it will be soon , enough of that shit
It was never just a joke. You just got introduced to it through the people joking about it. I assure you, this is a direct evolution of MGTOW and Red Pill ideology.
No it’s not. It’s some shit allegorical politically leftist dogma bilge because “corporations are evil” and “the higher ups psychopaths.” Give me a f**king break George Orwell wannabe.
I m 16 and I understand the points of these films .I have watched these films when my friends had not watched them . I recommended these films to them but they were watching fast and furious Star Wars and marvel.Come 2022 and most of them have watched these films and they got the wrong massage .I have a friend who has not watched the films only seen the best scenes and think sigma .The irony is that there are good films like rocky,braveheart the shawshank redemption or gladiator which are movies that show to never give up .But then there are movies like wolf of Wall Street,American psycho ,Scarface,Goodfellas,Casino,Fight Club,Taxi Driver ,Joker,Godfather which tells about bad people and most of these are satires or tales about greed and do not end in a good way.Scarface ends with Tony Montana dead ,godfather same Michael loses everything and dies alone,wolf of Wall Street Jordan is arrested,same for most of Scorsese work and they play it as the cool guys with money and girls but do they live happy .No .Or when shows like peaky blinders ,Sopranos ,Breaking bad the one that annoys me the most is pb because the writer is like a child in itself like he portrays the Shelbys as these god characters while shows like sopranos and breaking bad show that they are flawed even tho people got it wrong .A good show which boardwalk empire shows the truth about being a person with everything .He had given a 13 year old to the commodore so he can become sheriff and live a life of luxuries
People continue to miss the bigger picture when it comes to fight club, it may have, anti-consumerist, and feed into this “sigma” mentality. But in actuality it’s a movie about the mental torture that can be forced on somebody who is ultimately alone in society, they may be surrounded by people, but they lack community. Fight club is not necessary a satire, everything in it is to be seen at face value but that does not mean every message is good. Fight Club is about a lonely man who seeks out community in a world that seems to have forgotten him.
I think there are many people who recognize the flaws in these characters, but they sometimes intentionally ignore them because they are both too young and naive, and because these characters represent an attractive and romanticized side of loneliness and deppression (literally, all of them are inherently good-looking, just made to appear more grizzled, which ironically makes them a lot more relatable). Maybe it's just me projecting, but it seems like people today for one reason or another are more lonely, and these movies show how you can cope with that. They do something that makes them feel good, not realizing or even intentionally ignoring the harmful long-term effects. It's like an addiction, much like loneliness or acting out can become a cope and even an addicton in real life. Simply realizing that Joe or The Narrator have extreme character development and recognize their flaws is not enough to change your own, it's also about the experience of life and pushing through, which (hopefully) one day will lead the viewer to themselves grow and ultimately leave behind flawed idols. Breaking a habit can be extremely difficult.
agreed and thats kind of where i was treading with saying that Bateman and Durden act as mouth pieces and venting mechanisms for these types if guys. Bateman is a horrible person regardless but Durden acts as a cautionary tale for those who get too radical. “Self improvement is one thing but self destruction is better”
this is part of the problem that a lot of satire has in popular media: they can't help by romanticize the negativity. like the fact that almost all examples of fascism shows fascists as strong, powerful, hyper efficient machines, instead of what they REALLY are which is emotionally constipated, sexually frustrated, mommy issue having, lonely, weirdo losers who's own ideology defeats itself(to explain this would be to explain anti-fascism 101, but the gist is that 'fascism is a death cult'). writers can't help but portray these ideas as the negative that they are. the lonely loser protag has to be a hot guy, and the evil bad guy has to be a badass. if they took a second and thought about how the narrative is portraying these characters and events, they'd maybe be able to avoid these pitfalls.
i feel alienated by society and i am angry and have a lot of pent up aggression, however because im not 11 and have education about the world and know that just because someone is a minority doesnt mean they are worthless or lesser than me, im not brainwashed by someone into thinking ive been brainwashed by someone. I had a rough childhood so I learned things i had to at a younger age and educated myself upon matters through experiences, thats what “sigma males” lack.
The whole sigma thing is all very cringe by far. I never really got into it, I never listened to Andrew Tate, I never bought a self-improvement course or any PUA product. I just simply like the films bc a lot of these characters are relatable, as you said. Although I don't care about the Matrix and I didn't find Bladerunner that relatable and I enjoyed it the least, although it was undeniably a well-crafted film. And some people do take it to far, but the fact that the films or book authors were this that or the other or "woke" does not matter to me. Those that may not get this have never examined the relationship between "Fortunate Son" and the Vietnam war.
What’s so funny is that Bale, Gosling, And Cillian murphy are huge feminists and Bale literally said he hates Patrick Bateman and men like him. These red pill men fail to see the irony and satire in the films making fun of men like them
I think it’s funny too how these people kind of blur the line between their characters and the actual actor, saying that the actual person like them instead of saying the character is. Like all three of those men have families and as far as I’m aware long happy marriages which is the opposite of what a sigma male is
Dude i've thought these same topics several times. How the sigma boys miss the point of the shit they ride for so much. I find it kinda hilarious now tho how they're so ignorant and choose to live in their delusion. Great video. You deserve more subs my guy. o7
@@OzymandiasV2 No offense, but what does this solution even look like? Pay out the ass for therapy? Join a protests? Progressives are some of the most miserable and insecure people groups out there, which is a relevant fact if you intend to preach any kind of life advice or wisdom when that you advocate for correlates so heavily to impotence and misery.
There's an episode in the Season 1 of Gravity Falls. Dipper vs Manliness, which is more upfront about all of this. It provides a really nice insight into how Sigma males or masculine men were viewed back then.
Yeah sure bro, a cartoon for children made by Soyjack and crew who whine about the fact that the producers didn't let them make Gravity Falls more woke.
Bruh imagine thinking that Gravity Falls is a good example on how to tackle masculinity. It's like saying that Goblin Slayer has a nice insight on feminism and women's rights
@@OzymandiasV2Hey critical drinker who does woke spotting had a similar conclusion as you on fight club.Like how did this happen. Also the alt right conspiricist who made that white genocide thing also was,t straight.
I'm not sure, but isn't escaping the matrix, escaping the matrix? Andrew Tate claims he escaped the matrix, but it seems more like he found an infinite money glitch more than anything. I seriously wonder why people can't just be normal towards each other, like, even if you hate everyone equally, even that is better than hating one group of people because of, idk, anything.
I remember when the sigma community was more of a film community, most of them were filmbros that didn’t understand the movies the same way as sigma males this days, but some of them were just people that enjoyed cinema and liked making memes with the characters they liked the most, women would use mostly female characters and there was a lot of gay men that would make memes with the relationship Tyler and the narrator and their “gay like” relationship, it was like a “coping” group were people shared their good and/or bad life occurrences with memes featuring movie characters, it was a very beautiful community that made me start watching more films and read more books
The title almost made me rethink if this video was worth a watch, but I'm glad I did watch it. So many people online don't even get the actual meaning of these movies, they just hear stuff online, or maybe watched it once while barely paying attention. In reality these movies have to be watched atleast 2-3 times to actually understand the metaphores and hidden meanings. People instead just slap "literaly me" as the meaning. It's like saying I have a problem and instead of doing something about it, embracing it and saying "I'm not the only one so it's ok"
glad you did because not everyone who commented watched the whole thing. i figured the best way to draw both isdes of the aisle was to use a radical title thats not complete clickbait.
Its mens version of "mental health self care". We'd rather laugh at a character and say "hes literally me" than go to therapy or whatever. Having been in a very lonely, emotional fragile place before, i can speak to how these characters are the embodiment of the intrusive thoughts of men who feel like outcasts (rightfully so or not)
The biggest joke about this sigma community is that they're entirely blind about the fact that two women writen and directed american psycho as a satire to the ridiculously toxic masculine behaviour that they admire so much😂😂😂
Toxic masculinity is only a problem when men are neglected. When the people who build society are viewed as disposable and aren’t respected, you get people who cling to identities like Bateman because they share the same struggle. The problem isn’t manliness. Men have always been manly. In fact, the problem is that men aren’t manly enough. Feminism has destroyed the family and therefore destroyed men. The sole purpose of a man is to creat, protect, and provide for a family. When you destroy that, and take God out of the equation, you get men who feel as though they have no purpose.
It's funny how women attempting to created feminist propaganda end up making the most likable and memorable male characters. It's just like the Barbie Movie where Ken ends up being seen as the hero.
The analysis on Fight Club is decent but the part of "detaching from reality through aggression due to societal suppression of vulnerability" is partly true. While there is suppression of vulnerability, which is in part due to vulnerability becoming a means where you will be targeted and outcasted by your surrounding communities, it also in many ways removes one's care for their fellow man. The only times men should be vulnerable should be among their brothers, because that vulnerability is protected by the group, which historically has been the cause for brotherhood and will probably never change. Plus given aggression by testosterone, there is nothing wrong with expression of it in healthy ways. It's the opposition to it that is unhealthy.
I agree. Chucks analysis of it being a “mutually agreed upon therapy” is fitting and a valid explanation. I shouldve elaborated more but when I made that point its more to say that men who idolize Tyler Durden may not even take the steps in real life to try a way to bond with their male counterparts, but quickly be drawn into the macho ultraviolence bonding of the Fight Club.
The earliest example of the "sigma male" I can remember is Holden Caulfield from The Catcher in the Rye. The book acts as a way to point out the flaws of civilization from the perspective of a lonely young man. Holden fits the "sigma male" mindset perfectly. A commenter below said it perfectly, Holden represents a character whom we can recognize the flaws in, but people sometimes intentionally ignore them. I had a friend who identified extensively with Holden, basing his whole self around the character. We were young and naive, but even I knew at the time that Holden was not a character to strive to be like. Again, like a commenter below said, Holden is a character that represents an attractive and romanticized side of loneliness and depression. I believe Holden Caulfield is the original "sigma male". His behavior and thoughts match the sigma male mindset
texts have multiple dimensions, not just the authors context, but your own context. two half truths, only when understood together judged correctly. you cannot interpret anything without knowledgeably ignoring your context.
I don't mind "woke" movies as long as they are good, sadly that can't be said about current movies, these movies had a message to send and they did With great writing, current movies instead decided that a diverse cast should be enough and instead have tunnel vision when it comes to writing, disregarding everyone but the audience in their own bubble
No, the higher ups paint a narrative that they want, that's why you see so many woke propaganda media popping up, cuz appealing to 'niche communities' has nothing to do with that, it's to fund their own narrative, whether it succeeds financially or not, they don't give a solitary fuck about revenue, they only care to push their agenda
Finally I find someone who use the word "Woke" in a open minded way (personally I despise that word, I think it doesn't really mean anything) I totally agree that corporation are only using progressisme to do quick money as social mouvements get stronger But to be fair, using what's trendy is a trick as long as time It's most apparent in Disney, you can find plenty "Wokeness" in their products but take a simple look at their workplace and practice and you'll see the cracks
Good work my brother keep it up. I've sent this to all my transomies, most of them already knew about the directors being trans, but I don't think they knew about some of the more subtle stuff. Good s***
Have you ever heard of Erich Fromm's 'The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness?' - One can glean that, in the case of men like these, their impulse for destructiveness stems from their desire to transcend the human condition and feel contentment/happy. Of course, transcendence can be achieved through creation as well, but destructiveness is the easy way out, usually reserved for when one feels they are alienated, powerless, and ultimately have failed to create anything, whether that is because of an inability to do so, or having been denied the opportunity to do so. This is why Agent K actually does achieve transcendence by the end of Bladerunner 2049 :)
if you showed this video essay to myself from a year ago i would’ve exploded. i was so enriched in this “sigma” lifestyle and personality that it seems so cringey to look back on. thank you for this amazing video explaining everything in these movies that people miss.
youre welcome! seems like some people are still in that phase. personally, i think i had a good balance of explaining what radicalized the characters and also giving solutions
I think the reason why kids can't understand satire is bcoz of social media i watched these movies in when i was also around 14-16 i understood the irony in these movies even tho I'm dumb
Really makes me chuckle how these people will claim that theyre taking the red pill and escaping the matrix whilst functioning under, scoring themselves through and overall working within the system and set of social constructs which are actually 'the matrix.'
i know i mentioned the sopranos but PB is a tv show. However, i may make a video on finance bros and use Wolf of Wall Street and Peaky Blinders as examples
I believe the videos audio was remixed a little weirdly. I sometimes find it hard to hear what youre saying and I believe the music is a bit to loud in some parts. Thats my only criticisms. Very well written video, very good video, i like it, and I believe it deserves more views. If you "fix" the audio i believe you have a very successfull yt vareer in front of you. Keep up the great work! 🤙
thank you! yeah i noticed some of it in post but chalked up to my headphones. will definitely fix it for the next one and thanks for the constructive criticism 🙏
@@OzymandiasV2 nooo I NEED MAINSTREAM OPNIONS FED INTO MY VEINS VIA 3 HOURS OF STUMBLING around and going complealty off topic and going into the history of pathriarcy and atoms and molecures reeee
In the Book fight club, most of the famous tyler durden quotes are said by project mayhem-henchman (aka. the "space monkeys"), and the main character is always kind of rolling his eyes, because he knows that they are just quoting from tyler durdens manifesto, blindly accepting his doctrine without even understanding it fully.
@@OzymandiasV2 you should if you got the time. It's writing style, partly just consisting of the main characters messed up inner dialogues while he slowly becomes more and more radical, is pretty great.
I don't think I'll ever understand why some people genuinely identify with Patrick Bateman In my life originally I started working out to be more attractive to women, I get compliments from dudes, now I work out for myself
I think there is two major movies that was missed in this video, Joker (2019) and the Dark Knight Series, however this is still a fantastic video and I think those two movies have been talked about for a long time.
thank you! i honestly didnt expect this vid to blow up and i made it as kind of a one off. Joker was definitely a choice I kicked myself in the foot for not adding along with not mentioning that thje snowflake monologue from durden was supposed to reflect the conformity a lot of sigmas hate and crave
what makes American Psycho so poetic for me is the ending-- the whole vagueness of it reveals much more about the corporate lifestyle being inhumanely greedy and psychopathically petty as fuck that a literal serial killer would "fit" right in, yet ironically, Bateman has never felt more out of place. It basically just says *ultra-rich people are such fucking psychopaths that they'd leave a literal serial killer mentally scarred*
I'm not going to lie that I ended up getting to know many piece of mídia from the video due to this sigma trend. And now my favorite movie has become Fight Club, not only for the message, but the direction, the characters and the color palette. I'm sad Sigma has become just a term to alienate young kids. Instead of valuing yourself, as a man.
I think The Fight Club be slightly less vague if they implemented the book ending. Which is, the narrator wakes up in a mental hospital thinking that he's in heaven and that he must stop Tayler Durden from coming back. That would be a more obvious allusion to his inner self ending up being his ruin. But I guess it's harder to implement right
I think film is art and art is subjective. If you looked at a painting and had a particular interpretation of it, you are right, even if it is different from the way the artist intended for it to be interpreted. The same thing applies to cinema. If one person watches the matrix and views it as a message on escaping the system and waking up to reality, but someone else views it as a message on gender identity, they are both right. There is no “one right way” to view art, there is only your own personal perspective.
i think this is true until you basically use the art against itself. you wouldnt watch star wars and say the United States should become like Empire and have a dictator that genocides entire planets and demographics. if you like Tyler Durden and adapt some of his quirks, thats fine. Saying that Tyler durden did nothing wrong and that Fight Club says violence is always the answer would be objectively wrong
@@OzymandiasV2 Oh i absolutely loved it, and don't worry, the I didn't get spoiled by the video. I watched a bit of this video where you talk about bladerunner and then i went like "hold on i gotta watch the movie first".
glad you got saved then 🙏. the twist is what made me fall in love with the movie. the scene where he meets the others just like him along with the JOI scene was so powerful
Even "the Batman" He starts with a narrow world view but through putting himself out there and understanding different perspectives To become a better Man While the Riddler is angry at the mean world
This was a really good breakdown, I loved all these movies but I have also found it odd how these 'sigmas' always look towards obviously bad men as role models. But I especially liked the commentary on Bladerunner, very cool
thank you! yeah theyre great movies and the characters (besides Bateman) teach good lessons, but a major part of their presentation is to tell you what not to do or they frame society as the problem
this video is awesome! It really is so funny how all these movies that "sigma males" love is a critique on how they act. But I can't say I'm surprised that they don't recognize that... keep up the great work dude!
not really. all of these besides the matrix are pretty straightforward with their themes and intents. In this video alone, my interpretations veers off of what Ellis and Palahniuk say, but i still quote them to give the auddience context and some cool tidbits about the creation of the media @@stockimageguy8941
What’s hilarious is at a point when everyone was reposting literally me they didn’t even look half like the characters and were the exact opposite of those they claimed to be.One thing u woke me up on was the fight club section.Really fightclub was about how if u try to escape a system u just end up in another one.An endless loop lol great vid.
Remember when Sigma memes used to make fun of Sigma males and very satire. Well now it feels like they are condoning everything and thinking what they are saying is correct. Woke vs Anti-woke is a terrible debate. Just enjoy the movies you do, and don't watch the ones you don't.
Incredible analysis of this cultural phenomenon. The irony of “sigma males” and their media is something I’ve always wanted to see someone cover. Keep up the amazing work!
That title remind me when I joking calling American Psycho and Fight Club "woke" because some low life anti-sjw youtuber making video about how some movie that happened to be bomb at cinema "woke"
I find the story of Drive so sad, you can see that even in the fact that Gabriel had returned to the life Irene, he didnt want to disrupt that, and in fact the second toast Gabriel gives (a real and sincere one compared to the first one he gives at the party) you sorr of see in the Driver a certain acceptance that while he cant have Irene he still accepts Gabriel, Irene and Benicio as a sort of newfound family of his own.
Like, I get what the intended message was I just don't agree with said message. Wasn't art supposed to be subjective? If I think the author is full of shit I will naturally be sympathetic to the intended antagonist. You're right about the matrix tho, people just take the red pill methaphore and generally disregard the rest of the movie, which is kinda sad since the true sigma of the franchise is really agent Smith but I hardly see him being portrayed as a "literally me" character.
art is some subjective, but i think theres a level of purposeful ignorance of the messages and themes. I could watch Infinity War and full support Thanos, but if i go around using Thanos to justify real world genocide and say that Infinity War was "based" because it showed Thanos as good guy in my eyes.. i misunderstood the art.
Thanks for that! i had other stuff in mind (for example how i mention the sopranos at the beginning), but i didnt want to blot the video and didnt expect this vid to blow up. thanks for the comment
Ok, but they still use this movies as formats to spread hateful shit online and act like Patrick Batemans life is desirable. The matrix is being used an allegory to get kids to buy courses, and idk Ryan Gosling is funny.
me when i don't realize that the uploader wasn't talking to the people making jokes, and really not even "sigma males" at all(whatever those are), but instead to reactionary incels, and that the uploader even made it a point to distinguish the two in the first parts of the video.
@@malum9478 either way the title is saying that all "sigma movies are woke" as if anyone but the smallest minority takes the meme and movies at seriously and worship them as "conservative alpha male buzzword buzzword movies". And saying "all Your" gives the pressions he's referring to, or at least baiting, the wider audience rather than the super small minority that legitimately worship the characters
Late last year I viewed American Psycho for the first time. After it was over I felt it had been oversold to me. Before I saw the motion picture, I frequently saw edits, memes and high praise for the movie. I felt disturbed that this many men felt exactly like Mr. Bateman. I understand his struggles, I don’t feel bad for him. Like you stated, he murders people that have little to no impact on his daily life of greed. His brutality is what made him extremely hard to like and that is what the film likely argues against. The film is not critical enough of his actions from what I recall. I don’t take pity on him as he has ample resources to fix his life. However it’s not his character. He is not a character of change but one who drives himself deeper into conflict. That’s what I got at least. A marvelous video- the narration and editing was perfectly splendid.
thank you for the compliment and i agree. first time i watched it i was like “is that it?”. However, i think the fact that Bateman is in his own personal hell is the movies way of “criticizing” him. Patrick Bateman is constantly subtly belittled, has no identity (people mistake him for others all the time), and even in his delusions he is eventually caught and finally becomes a sobbing mess. In his confession at the end of the movie, he even says that it means nothing and he will never have release. Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if there was some hidden layer of the movie being that Willem Dafoe is the devil and the entire film is in Hell
@@OzymandiasV2 You are welcome and thank you. A wonderful reply you have sent me. I think the movie is subtle in its meanings but plenty of people pronounce this a masterpiece. The word masterpiece is overused and doesn’t describe the level of quality of this film. It’s just okay to me, there’s deep meanings but overhyped by people online. Now in the same “sigma movie universe” the film Falling Down (1993) is certainly my favorite film out there. It is more critical (although arguably not enough) of a man’s violent actions towards society. I think it could be a real god watch for you and possibly a good channel video. If it’s not for you then that’s alright, no film is meant for everyone’s enjoyment.
Bateman is driven by a desire for recognition. As much as he says he wants to fit in, he actually wants to be caught, to be found out, to be recognized in public as this homicidal psycho. His most brutal crimes are those inflicted on people who don't recognize him or confuse him for someone else, whereas those who do interact with him on a personal level are left unharmed. The end of the film is the world around him telling him that he doesn't get to have this. He is trapped in this state of anonymity with a bunch of identical drones who will ignore his every indiscretion, the exact thing he fears. He is the villain and you aren't meant to pity him, but there is something to be said to being able to relate to his fear of fading into the background of his own life., of being a non-entity who does horrible shit and just dies.
@@LicoriceLain Well said. I watched many videos analyzing the movie after and I was still unimpressed with the film and his character. His brutality was used on a homeless guy and several prostitutes. Neither of them really had an impact on his life, he was just slaughtering for the sake of using people as punching bags. The fact he goes after what many would consider as low lifes doesn’t make his killing any better. They are still innocent people and I know it’s apart to make him disturbing. I just don’t like it and didn’t find it funny as many did. I understand that he wants to fit in, has no real identity and is a symbol for what many men want to be in terms of success. The movie was just mediocre. If it wasn’t put on a ultra high pedestal I would have enjoyed it more as it would not have been oversold to me. I still recognize why people enjoy it, it’s just not a movie for me.
one comment about 3:55 i find the reason he doesn’t kill him is more about disgust than a fear of being accepted: the man makes an advance on him because he views the choking as sexual, bateman is so disgusted by it that he can’t stand to be in there anymore or continue with the choking, perhaps speaking to his homophobic pettiness.
thats a fair analysis. the main reason why i went with fear of intimacy/true interest is because nothing in the film to that point really indicated that Bateman hated gay people (in the book he is violently though). Its debatable on why he stopped but I think the scene with Jean adds to it. Cant think of a third person he spared to establish a rule though
>trans character that got scrapped >you have to take a pill to see the other side >entire movie is about breaking free from conformity >creators both identify as trans and said that they had those themes in mind making it you can disagree but theres a lot of evidence besides “the creators are trans so the movie is trans”
@@OzymandiasV2 A trans character would undo the entire allegory because how can there be an allegorical and literal transition from meatspace to cyberspace? Plus, the way residual self-image works the trans character would be forced to undo the transition every time they went to the Matrix. Sounds pretty callous. People have lived as the opposite gender prior to modern medicine. The red pill is also a clear reference to Total Recall. The Matrix is not about breaking free from comformity. In fact the movie explicitly states that the utopia Matrix just failed because human nature rejected a simulation that was too perfect. And at the end of the trilogy humans are given a choice to be free or remain in the simulation as a compromise. At it's core the Matrix is more about reality and how you can perceive reality that's totally simulated, and free choice. The entire thing is centered around computer simulation and deterministic processes creating a predictable event that the Oracle can see. However, Neo himself states that he is fulfilling the prophecy because he CHOSE to. While a Smith unchained from the restrictions placed upon him as an Agent will seek power for power's sake because he is a program obeying his code, Neo shows his human nature through free will and self-sacrifice. This culminates in the machines injecting into Neo the code that kills Smith in a way that makes his body glow into the shape of a cross, employing overt religious symbology to reference self-sacrifice to save humanity. I mean the red pill part is pretty inexcusable as it's such a blatant reference to another sci-fi movie but where is the conformity here? Hell, the trilogy even states that as long as free choice is involved, it's okay to embrace conformity inside the Matrix. Creators can retcon their opinions. Just Kidding Rowling did it. We'd need some kind of written or recorded statement before or during filming, saying it a decade plus after the fact creates a situation that's impossible to verify. "Just trust me, bro". No I don't think I will.
I think my favorite Sigma memes are the parodies with Johan Liebert (Monster) technically following 'Sigma' protocol but realistically having opposite intentions, like giving an poor alcoholic money for booze.
It was actually hilarious for me to end up learning that the American Psycho book was written by a gay dude & the film directed by a woman while the biggest mouthpieces of it are ppl who hate both. Equally funny that The Matrix introduced "red pilled" & the directors are trans and also let's not forget The Boys. The inherent irony of these sigma ppl is just crazy to me like how do you not get it?? I will say that some of the memes are funny asf.
I'm glad the algorithm just brought me here, the kind of video that talks about what I've sense in a gut feeling but didn't know how to explain it yet. Thanks!
I’ve always been annoyed at the utter hate towards people who enjoy these movies. You guys just absolutely hate any sort of space where men can share their problems. The world saw a group of men who obviously relate not to the “evil” parts of characters but the more complex parts of being a man, and your first reaction was to call them virgins and losers, and the worst part is you label it as toxic or dangerous and eliminate yet another space for men. If you aren’t a man don’t try to understand. These movies are usually about isolation, loneliness, and purposelessness. Obviously the tik tok girlies won’t relate. There’s plenty of beloved characters that are villains. You can want bateman’s confidence without wanting to keel the homeless. It’s also such a double standard because y’all simp for Evan peters dahmer and joe from you. If you want to go another level deeper, the rise of the “sigma” figure is due to the decline in masculinity and healthy households with both parents. Young men are desperate for any sort of firm masculine guide or mentor. Sorry for ranting but this pisses me off. You’re trying to tell me tiktok npcs have more of an in-depth understanding of movies than actual tistic dudes who stay inside all day? Also it’s art, let people take away whatever tf they want. You’re gonna come in and say your opinions on this art are wrong lmfao
There's definitely a trend here. Suddenly, all of the guys who used to promoted or loved these movies decided to stand up and shit on the fanbase of these movies, looking for the big gotcha moment. And apparently self improvement is now alt-right because people who participate in self improvement start having opinions and perspectives that are different to these people. This is a herd mentality if you ask me.
didnt say any of this in the vid besides the online girlfriend joke. did you finish the American Psycho segment before you commented this? I say that patrick bateman speaks to lonely men who have a lot of anger at themselves and society so they use him as a mouthpiece, validating exactly what youre saying. you essentially wrote an entire paragraph without watching the video in its entirety
watch my video on that. my videos are aimed to have people like you guys comment without watching it in full. In my “self improvement is the new alt right pipeline” video i state that the gym isnt political but that people themselves are using it as vehicles for their beliefs to that they can feel like they fit into a hierarchy. I dont care if a communist, trump supporter or red piller wants to genuinely improve. Shit gets weird when you start lifting with shit like “the woke left society wants you to be weak and gay” or “i lift so that my gf wont want to do onlyfans”. At that point, youre just doing it for clicks and to weaponize your hobby. This is coming from a gym goer too
@@OzymandiasV2 Oh i know that, your videos titles are basically just clickbait so guys like me and him can go to the comment section and leave a hate comment without even finish the videos. I did watch your videos before and surprise surprise, we have a lot in common than you thought. Though i wouldn't consider this "Shit gets weird when you start lifting with shit like “the woke left society wants you to be weak and gay” or “i lift so that my gf wont want to do onlyfans”" self improvement, i mean you even admit it yourself "At that point, youre just doing it for clicks and to weaponize your hobby". But i guess a clickbait title to lure rage click guys like myself is far more interesting than the usual "this is bad, OMG".
This whole video (and probably channel) is a huge dumpster of unproven claims like: "if you criticize whamen (or even make fun of them), you = sexist, toxic + if you say something salty = you're 12 years old + "barbie = literally me is cool but any male charcter = literally me is toxic" etc.
I didn't see the video yet but my answer for the title is "yes, we know, that's why we're editing into a sigma version". We disagree with those movie messages
I don't really comment that often but i just felt the need to comment on this video. you make a lot of really great points and as someone who had a friend who was the more crazed "Sigma male" I can truly agree that lots of these are used completely out of context. this video, while i dont agree on every thing, is very well articulated and more people should really actually watch the films. i personally loved Blade Runner 2049 far more than the original (I still recommend watching both). The Matrix point is interesting to me however i can see what people like Andrew Tate mean. The system aka the matrix is one that is designed to trap you and keep you from ever being "free" but by using the Matrix to your own benefit, similar to how neo can manipulate the matrix to compete against the men in suits, you can then escape the matrix as you now live above or aware of it. I definitely agree with your points and fully support that people should actually watch these movies. I apologize for any poorly worded sentences i dont often write like i have said earlier.
no problem bro thank you for the comment. as for tate, hes not arong but rather his “solutions” are either to pay him to tell you how to “escape” or to tell people that they should run the matrix and not destroy it. i also think BR2049 is better than the first
Well, I'd say The Matrix is more about adapting the Cave Myth from Plato than about capitalism. On the trans topic supposedly in the movie, I just call complete and absolute bullshit on the directors nowadays.
the "they turned trans and retconned" card would work if they didnt get Switch denied by warner bros and had the concept of the pill/new identity. also the cave allegory is broad. it can apply to many things. I dont think its a coincidence that Neo's matrix life is working in a corporate hellscape with a dick boss
It is possible to admire, and integrate into oneself, specific aspects of a character while at the same time being aware of, and avoiding, the flaws. Self reliance and confidence are admirable traits, people who are unable to attain such qualities find them threatening.
I don't think Sigma's want to be like Tyler Durden or the guy from American psycho. After all, their phrase is "he's literally me", not "I want to be like him". These guys know that the people they talk about are messed up, all they want people to know is that they are also messed up. Since they have no one to talk to they do this through memes and hide their feelings behind a wall of comedy, but the big problem behind this is people just being alone and seeing themselves reflected in people that are sick, just like them. It's a cry for help more than anything else
I believe a lot of these movies are known to be Woke by ‘Sigmas’ but, because of their extreme, exaggerated and intense emotions they convey, as well as the cinematography it’s the only escape that these people can find relatable. Nobody would make movies about a sigma male with a boring uneventful life with an A list actor, so they just take small moments from these movies, that capture how they feel or what they want. When they think of American Psycho, they don’t consider his killing sprees, these clips or photos they use just demonstrates a confident, succesful man who has anger deep down, and those gosling movies also capture a male loneliness. Any media that is filmed well and aesthetically pleasing about a lonely male will be eaten up by these people. I don’t think it’s that deep, I think they just need an escape and cut the parts they want
It's hilarious how the "sigmas" fail to see how their "based and red pilled" movies are parodies/satire on how not to act
Elaborate that
@@islamic_marxism_leninismI really don't need to. It's pretty obvious
@@islamic_marxism_leninismAmerican psycho is making fun of masculinity
@@IitzAdamly I mean ok but like Tyler Durden has a solid way to live but you do you
Tyler Durden started with noble intentions like i talk about in the video but he becomes increasingly radical to the point where he brutally beats members for no reason, strips them of their individuality to make them project mayhem drones. He also blows up those buildings at the end having no concern about collateral damage or the repercussions
I love Sigma memes but only when they are so unhinged that it’s obviously a joke.
ngl the “sometimes i run behind people at night and scream so that people are reminded that im out there” ones are funny
I love sigma memes but only when they are incredibly unhinged and unironic.
There’s nothing wrong with the matrix, American psycho, joker etc. they’re all good movies, the problem is just like with religion, these people like to find hidden meanings behind the movies/characters that reaffirm there already warped belief systems. The movies on their own are perfectly fine, I personally like them. It’s when you look up to someone like Patrick batemen or the joker as a hero, or a beacon for your beliefs that it becomes a problem.
@@Osama_Bin_Ladder The joker is unironically the hero
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I love when Sigma memes use movies that aren’t apart of the “Literally me” movie list, we are not the same
I love how so many people remember Tyler Durden's criticisms of consumerism but miss the fairly significant part where he indoctrinates an army of men into becoming the disposable foot soldiers of his cult. He's not meant to be the hero.
🎯! durden starts off as a positive (yet crude) figure who helps the narrator and other men break out of their shells, but eventually uses all them for his own dream
Damn..how much can you be brainwashed to stand 3 days in the same place to get involved in something you know it might get you ki.lled ?
what kind of cult leader wouldn't constantly put himself in the same dangers as his followers?
There can exist no army without indoctrination
Durden's criticism go beyond mere consumerism and capitalism, they go after civilization itself, and indeed there are numerous tenets of "anarcho-primitivism" to be found in Fight Club.
That being said, whatever "bad behavior" Durden may engage it, that behavior does absolutely nothing to cheapen the criticisms he levies against the status quo....to discount his previous criticisms would be nothing more than an ad hominem fallacy
Nothing wrong with that thought, you should have known cause your pfp is the European Union flag, an organization of countries with all with their respective armies with disposable foot soldiers who are indoctrinated to die in case any burocract of EU starts a war.
these films are still cathartic and emotionally liberating, even if you shouldn't base your entire personality around them
agreed. Bateman and Durden are the mouthpiece/release for all the pent up emotions men have
Too late...
True and really i dont think any of these movies were made to have this cult obsession with them and people modelling their lives around them
@@Gamfluent It's not just women you stupid f*ucking c*unt, just spamming this in the comments not a good response to the critique and not winning any arguments.
I think it's important to examine where the emotions come from without endorsing the action, for example when the Joker says people would walk over his dead body on the street, he is expressing a justified anger, but it's also obvious that he's mentally unstable as a result of this negative society and that being mentally ill and shooting people up is not a good thing (duh). Like when I say US intervention in the Middle East caused 911, I'm not saying 911 was good, I'm pointing out how one bad thing caused another bad thing and we should stop doing the first bad thing if we want the bad reaction to stop, that's what these movies are doing also and they're all great pieces of cinema... people just lack critical thinking these days.
Wolf of wall Street is always one that annoys me for people to use for their sigma shit, I reckon few of those ppl have actually seen the film as it literally shows the flaws in the way he lives
thats another good one that i might save for another video but i wouldnt want to beat the dead horse of mainstream film video essays
maybe for them these flaws are not realy flaws? like, good movies don't do the criticizm loudly, they instead portray the reality that they criticize, but if all these portrayed flaws seem like not a big deal or even a good thing for these people, then it's not surprising that they will love this movie just because it realistically portrays who they are/want to be
The thing is, a lot of them don't see them as flaws. They genuinely think that their qualities are good, which really says a lot about how self centered and unempathetic these "sigma male" peeps really are. Either that, or it's what you said. A lot of people just watch a few clips out of context and think they understand the film and the character. I'm sure many of them saw a few clips of Patrick Bateman or Tyler Durden out of context in scenes where they look badass or cool and think, "Wow, I wanna be like that. I wanna be muscular, charismatic, confident, etc." Because they haven't seen the full character. However, those who have seen the entire movie and understand the characters and STILL see them as aspirational and likable are the ones who concern me.
Wolf of Wall Street suffers from the same problem as Scarface- ostensibly it's a cautionary morality tale, but it's also so packed full of awesomeness that it kind of becomes hard to see the message after a while. Don't get me wrong I think both films are great and wouldn't be the same if they were made as more traditional cautionary tales (a la The Godfather), but the way the lifestyles of the main characters are presented is definitely more appealing (especially to young men) than not a lot of the time. Scorsese's moral messages are normally abundantly clear, but I definitely got the impression he didn't quite know what he was trying to say with Wolf of Wall Street.
With this in mind, personally people doing the "literally me" sigma thing for Wolf of Wall Street (or Scarface) annoys me a lot less than when they do it for movies/shows like Breaking Bad or American Psycho, which present characters that are so obviously and clearly contemptible in every single way that only a real moron could see them as role models. Fight Club is another one I'll kind of forgive, because while Tyler Durden is clearly ultimately the villain and the movie is in part a satire of how extremism on either side leads to mental enslavement, another part of it is meant to be inspirational and thought-provoking for disenfranchised young men (that's what makes the movie so interesting, it doesn't have a single, uncomplicated message that picks one side). Although the irony of people worshipping both Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman (who could not be more opposite in every way imaginable and would absolutely detest each other if they met) is pretty fucking hilarious lol.
I watched that movie and it's not that good.
this is why i stopped associating myself with sigma male, alpha male or red pilled community. i used to believe it was just about self improvement, but now its all about being a sociopath manipulator, a psychopath and a toxic person, its why i stopped listening to these red pilled influencers almost every one of them is doing to get fame or riches. i agree on your take of self improvement, self improvement is about improving your life, be healthy, eat healthy, removing bad habits, etc. but the red pilled community think its about revenge, to please someone, or to just basically a douche bag. i also agree with blade runner being one of the best and real sigma male movie, i can relate to the whole ai gf and that shabang, i used to believe that an anime character would love me even though she isnt real and even if she was i doubt she would love someone who she doesnt even know and goes crazy for her. i honestly believe that real masculinity is about being a good person who doesnt lash out over simple thing, being a good influence to younger generations, being a gantleman basically and being a man of God. its honestly sad that many men think that being toxic is kool and bad4ss and being a good person is being a pus5y. alas i hope there will be someone who will show what real masculinity is.
thank you for the in depth comment and i 100% agree with your assessment. a lot of people call me anti self improvement because of my titles or content sometimes but its the opposite. i think our young men getting into fitness, finance, and being aware of whats going on is great. However, so many of them are doing it for the wrong reasons to get bitter not better.
It's always been about that homie, the self improvement part is just how they get new recruits.
That’s nice, but let’s see Paul Allen’s explanation. I’m going to return some video tapes (just joking)😂
True character development on your part
@@OzymandiasV2Why get Into fitness if you are not supposed to be shallow?
Being healthy makes sense as far as it increases your life expectancy + saves one from a lot of trouble concerning only yourself and your body, impacting your quality of life, like obesity, back problems and head aches. But being fit? If you arent enjoying company or the feeling of doing a sport, there is no reason in doing it, as the benefits can be reduced to a short rush of dopamin once you reach a certain goal/ the satisfaction of your arrogance because you look Good. So No point in getting into fitness for the Sake of fitness.
Why get into finance if you aren't supposed to be materialistic?
What purpose does being rich serve once you earn above a certain limit that garantues a stable and proper life for yourself and your Family? And while that may be much to ask from the average person, it already applies to the average finance skilled man. Since it is a misbelieve a poor person can escape his misery by something Else then sheer luck regarding financial wisdom (meaning hard work/studying are the real boxes you have to check, not finances), it is only logical that merely these, who already posses a lot can make a relatively steady and secure investment and expect a return. This misbelieve Was set into the world by No other than the last mentioned group of people, powerful politican groups: "Come on poor guy, if you would just get into finances, you can become rich too!" To justify the comfortoable position they inherited/gained by luck without the hard work. Truth is, while a construction worker or inventor or peasant or teacher all benefit the world with their work and create a value through it, The value behind money cant be generated by buying stock. You are not Helping society, if you make Profit you Took it away from someone. Greedy and selfish, All in all nothing to strive for.
Lastly, why get into being aware of whats going on if you dont strive to reach a position of actual power?
People just love to see the talkshows, news, wars, This politican's new idea, this influencer's insta, everyone fighting for an own cause. But the in reality, this Illusion of political wisdom you Gain is nothing but a brainless time killer. All the time I spent Under political videos commenting, achieving nothing but a Bad mood.
1. Do you Want to be educated with whats going on too form yourself an opinion?
But a opinion has to backed up with actions or it becomes irrelevant at best, harmful (repressed emotions) at worst. But the only action the commen people have Access to is a vote every few Years! And now your vote counts just as little as the most uneducated one's. But Mainly the options are so limited that your background prolly didnt make a difference: ever heard of a democrat who one day did Massive research and came back a republican? No. So for him voting Blue, The political education Played No role.
2. Do you Want to be educated with whats going on to convince others, giving your vote more power?
That doesnt work. Its pointless and toxic trying to convince people in a subject that doesnt particulary connect you two (telling your kids why 8h TV is Bad? Valid. Convincing your uncle that indians for native americans is offensive? Pointless, senseless, useless).
All this time was me being informed ever of help? Did it help me to know there was school shooting on the other side of the world? That the poles are melting? That ugandas president is a racist? No.
Focus on yourself, dont cut out the people who Mean much to you because of certain ideals, stay in developement, dont try to achieve perfection.
And watch fightclub again.
Like the idea of your channel, best of success in the future.
Probably my absolute favorite video so far, I already understood these movies the way they were intended but, you definitely summarized them even better it's actually insane that these sigma males might not even understand this video. Love you Ozy keep up the great work man!!
means a lot thank you! im glad i was able to fit it all together and make it cohesive
One of the things I've noticed with the "sigma males" is that most of them haven't even watched said films, they make edits of the most "sigma" moments of the main characters by copying them from other people; They pretend to have watched the films so that they can "fit in" within the "sigma" community as well.
a small amount of the comments here and on my IG teaser really prove that they dont bother to watch long form content and just go off of 1 min clips
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EVERYTHING proves you're correct; weird how that works.
"A small amount of comments" could be described as a "subset"...
But sure... "the comments on a feminism post justifies feminism" and "people booing kneeling is why people kneel" ..
ive watched some of these "sigma" movies before, it was falling down (1993) the main character was no where a sigma male, he was relatable until the middle section of the movie, though i like the sigma memes and people whos parodying it
@@darrengordon-hill A small amount, because the majority of the comments aren't sad little boys trying to appear tough.
@@OzymandiasV2As a person who legitimately thought I was “sigma”, I took most of those clips as jokes, but I feel like sigma should be all of the positive traits of what should classify as such. Do I look down on others? No. Do I hate a certain demographic? No.
Man I miss the times when Sigma male shit was just a joke and satirical meme to joke about hustle dudes and tech bros , now it's full of edgy,racist, misogynstik 13 year olds . And like this shit not like other memes we have this meme at least 2 years, mostly we forget about the memes in a week , ( I do think it's because the teenagers who growing up without a father figure so they try to make their personality based on internet , that's fucked) I do think it's gonna die tho I wish it will be soon , enough of that shit
its crazy how we watched jokes turn into reality and political movements in real time
@@OzymandiasV2
What is FEMINISM????
If I say I'm a "Meninist", you point and laugh...
But if I'm a "feminist", you applaud???
Fucking simp.
Misogynstik
It was never just a joke. You just got introduced to it through the people joking about it.
I assure you, this is a direct evolution of MGTOW and Red Pill ideology.
@@Jane-oz7ppyes it was a joke, just cause you personally didn't enjoy or partake in it doesn't change that fact
patrick bateman is genuinely such a well written character and its a shame that he's commonly misinterpreted
Sigma..🍷🗿
@@kanethesevenfootmonster868I make these jokes too but only as satire, cause it’s funny
No it’s not. It’s some shit allegorical politically leftist dogma bilge because “corporations are evil” and “the higher ups psychopaths.” Give me a f**king break George Orwell wannabe.
13 year olds idolising patrick bateman have never watched the movie
or they watched “American Psycho best moments”
Or they have and are just actually that fucked up in the head to the point they actually find his actions to be admirable, which is also likely.
I have doebeit
I m 16 and I understand the points of these films .I have watched these films when my friends had not watched them . I recommended these films to them but they were watching fast and furious Star Wars and marvel.Come 2022 and most of them have watched these films and they got the wrong massage .I have a friend who has not watched the films only seen the best scenes and think sigma .The irony is that there are good films like rocky,braveheart the shawshank redemption or gladiator which are movies that show to never give up .But then there are movies like wolf of Wall Street,American psycho ,Scarface,Goodfellas,Casino,Fight Club,Taxi Driver ,Joker,Godfather which tells about bad people and most of these are satires or tales about greed and do not end in a good way.Scarface ends with Tony Montana dead ,godfather same Michael loses everything and dies alone,wolf of Wall Street Jordan is arrested,same for most of Scorsese work and they play it as the cool guys with money and girls but do they live happy .No .Or when shows like peaky blinders ,Sopranos ,Breaking bad the one that annoys me the most is pb because the writer is like a child in itself like he portrays the Shelbys as these god characters while shows like sopranos and breaking bad show that they are flawed even tho people got it wrong .A good show which boardwalk empire shows the truth about being a person with everything .He had given a 13 year old to the commodore so he can become sheriff and live a life of luxuries
People continue to miss the bigger picture when it comes to fight club, it may have, anti-consumerist, and feed into this “sigma” mentality. But in actuality it’s a movie about the mental torture that can be forced on somebody who is ultimately alone in society, they may be surrounded by people, but they lack community.
Fight club is not necessary a satire, everything in it is to be seen at face value but that does not mean every message is good. Fight Club is about a lonely man who seeks out community in a world that seems to have forgotten him.
real. they also seem to forget that it literally turns into a cult/terrorist sect with no individuality
@@OzymandiasV2consumerism doesn't provide any individuality either just the illusion of it
I think there are many people who recognize the flaws in these characters, but they sometimes intentionally ignore them because they are both too young and naive, and because these characters represent an attractive and romanticized side of loneliness and deppression (literally, all of them are inherently good-looking, just made to appear more grizzled, which ironically makes them a lot more relatable). Maybe it's just me projecting, but it seems like people today for one reason or another are more lonely, and these movies show how you can cope with that. They do something that makes them feel good, not realizing or even intentionally ignoring the harmful long-term effects. It's like an addiction, much like loneliness or acting out can become a cope and even an addicton in real life. Simply realizing that Joe or The Narrator have extreme character development and recognize their flaws is not enough to change your own, it's also about the experience of life and pushing through, which (hopefully) one day will lead the viewer to themselves grow and ultimately leave behind flawed idols. Breaking a habit can be extremely difficult.
agreed and thats kind of where i was treading with saying that Bateman and Durden act as mouth pieces and venting mechanisms for these types if guys. Bateman is a horrible person regardless but Durden acts as a cautionary tale for those who get too radical. “Self improvement is one thing but self destruction is better”
this is part of the problem that a lot of satire has in popular media: they can't help by romanticize the negativity. like the fact that almost all examples of fascism shows fascists as strong, powerful, hyper efficient machines, instead of what they REALLY are which is emotionally constipated, sexually frustrated, mommy issue having, lonely, weirdo losers who's own ideology defeats itself(to explain this would be to explain anti-fascism 101, but the gist is that 'fascism is a death cult'). writers can't help but portray these ideas as the negative that they are. the lonely loser protag has to be a hot guy, and the evil bad guy has to be a badass. if they took a second and thought about how the narrative is portraying these characters and events, they'd maybe be able to avoid these pitfalls.
i feel alienated by society and i am angry and have a lot of pent up aggression, however because im not 11 and have education about the world and know that just because someone is a minority doesnt mean they are worthless or lesser than me, im not brainwashed by someone into thinking ive been brainwashed by someone. I had a rough childhood so I learned things i had to at a younger age and educated myself upon matters through experiences, thats what “sigma males” lack.
glad you grew and stayed true to being good bro 💪
@@OzymandiasV2 thank you
boringgg stoped reading after reading the word minority
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The whole sigma thing is all very cringe by far. I never really got into it, I never listened to Andrew Tate, I never bought a self-improvement course or any PUA product. I just simply like the films bc a lot of these characters are relatable, as you said. Although I don't care about the Matrix and I didn't find Bladerunner that relatable and I enjoyed it the least, although it was undeniably a well-crafted film. And some people do take it to far, but the fact that the films or book authors were this that or the other or "woke" does not matter to me. Those that may not get this have never examined the relationship between "Fortunate Son" and the Vietnam war.
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Andrew tate and "sigmas" are 2 very diffrent communities even "rivals"
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What’s so funny is that Bale, Gosling, And Cillian murphy are huge feminists and Bale literally said he hates Patrick Bateman and men like him. These red pill men fail to see the irony and satire in the films making fun of men like them
I think it’s funny too how these people kind of blur the line between their characters and the actual actor, saying that the actual person like them instead of saying the character is. Like all three of those men have families and as far as I’m aware long happy marriages which is the opposite of what a sigma male is
I hate Andrew Tate for making people think that The Matrix is a "sigma movie" .
worst comparison too because buying cars and working constantly to “prove the haters wrong” is literal matrix shit
Bro, I actually liked that movie because of how cool it was...
Now it's just considered a "pedpill sigma" movie.
Dear fucking God whyyyyyyh
Dude i've thought these same topics several times. How the sigma boys miss the point of the shit they ride for so much. I find it kinda hilarious now tho how they're so ignorant and choose to live in their delusion. Great video. You deserve more subs my guy. o7
theyll come in time 🙏 also its like i said: theyd rather identify with the problem and use it as a venting method than to look for solutions
@@OzymandiasV2 Word. Hopefully they do realize tho
@@OzymandiasV2 No offense, but what does this solution even look like? Pay out the ass for therapy? Join a protests? Progressives are some of the most miserable and insecure people groups out there, which is a relevant fact if you intend to preach any kind of life advice or wisdom when that you advocate for correlates so heavily to impotence and misery.
Ironically they put themselves in their own matrix
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For every piece of art where there is a message there will be a group to misunderstand it
Like the video above
@@deason2365💀 lil bro stopped watching at 0:01
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There's an episode in the Season 1 of Gravity Falls. Dipper vs Manliness, which is more upfront about all of this. It provides a really nice insight into how Sigma males or masculine men were viewed back then.
Oh, a based gravity falls enjoyer. Nice to see you.
Yeah sure bro, a cartoon for children made by Soyjack and crew who whine about the fact that the producers didn't let them make Gravity Falls more woke.
@@candide1065 Do you listen to yourself when you speak? Please start doing that
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Bruh imagine thinking that Gravity Falls is a good example on how to tackle masculinity. It's like saying that Goblin Slayer has a nice insight on feminism and women's rights
I thought the sigma male thing was a joke. I had no clue people took it seriously.
It always was. But idiots like you see in the comments here ironically don't understand satire themselves and are completely deaf to jokes.
Ironically Patrick Bateman is an extremely fragile character
dude cracks over business card fonts
Exactly. Guy literally gets upset over the smallest things and even murdered a guy out of pure jealousy.
@@OzymandiasV2Hey critical drinker who does woke spotting had a similar conclusion as you on fight club.Like how did this happen.
Also the alt right conspiricist who made that white genocide thing also was,t straight.
@@abhishekverma4029straight?
@@АндрейНеугодников-м6е yes the white genocide conspiracy guy was a gay man
I’m Just KEN ! I can’t I see Ryan Gosling any other way anymore
> both characters are created by a soulless corporation and have to find their identity
I'm not sure, but isn't escaping the matrix, escaping the matrix? Andrew Tate claims he escaped the matrix, but it seems more like he found an infinite money glitch more than anything. I seriously wonder why people can't just be normal towards each other, like, even if you hate everyone equally, even that is better than hating one group of people because of, idk, anything.
he is an agent
I remember when the sigma community was more of a film community, most of them were filmbros that didn’t understand the movies the same way as sigma males this days, but some of them were just people that enjoyed cinema and liked making memes with the characters they liked the most, women would use mostly female characters and there was a lot of gay men that would make memes with the relationship Tyler and the narrator and their “gay like” relationship, it was like a “coping” group were people shared their good and/or bad life occurrences with memes featuring movie characters, it was a very beautiful community that made me start watching more films and read more books
agreed. i miss when those type of memes were just jokes about being antisocial/purposefully weird like i mention at the beginning
When do you think this era was ? I would say like 1 year ago personally
nah
I appreciate how you never use insults and calmly explain what's wrong what the sigma belief. I don't see this online often.
you catch more flies with honey
@@OzymandiasV2 Yeah. I often see youtubers just drop insults every couple seconds. Keep doing what you're doing.
@@OzymandiasV2wouldn’t honey also attract bears?
@@gooeydude574was this an attempt at being funny?
The title almost made me rethink if this video was worth a watch, but I'm glad I did watch it. So many people online don't even get the actual meaning of these movies, they just hear stuff online, or maybe watched it once while barely paying attention. In reality these movies have to be watched atleast 2-3 times to actually understand the metaphores and hidden meanings. People instead just slap "literaly me" as the meaning. It's like saying I have a problem and instead of doing something about it, embracing it and saying "I'm not the only one so it's ok"
glad you did because not everyone who commented watched the whole thing. i figured the best way to draw both isdes of the aisle was to use a radical title thats not complete clickbait.
Its mens version of "mental health self care". We'd rather laugh at a character and say "hes literally me" than go to therapy or whatever. Having been in a very lonely, emotional fragile place before, i can speak to how these characters are the embodiment of the intrusive thoughts of men who feel like outcasts (rightfully so or not)
The biggest joke about this sigma community is that they're entirely blind about the fact that two women writen and directed american psycho as a satire to the ridiculously toxic masculine behaviour that they admire so much😂😂😂
Lmao ikr, talk about missing the point lol
Toxic masculinity is only a problem when men are neglected. When the people who build society are viewed as disposable and aren’t respected, you get people who cling to identities like Bateman because they share the same struggle. The problem isn’t manliness. Men have always been manly. In fact, the problem is that men aren’t manly enough. Feminism has destroyed the family and therefore destroyed men. The sole purpose of a man is to creat, protect, and provide for a family. When you destroy that, and take God out of the equation, you get men who feel as though they have no purpose.
@@Gamfluent "females"🤓☝
@@marianat1393women ☕️
It's funny how women attempting to created feminist propaganda end up making the most likable and memorable male characters. It's just like the Barbie Movie where Ken ends up being seen as the hero.
The analysis on Fight Club is decent but the part of "detaching from reality through aggression due to societal suppression of vulnerability" is partly true. While there is suppression of vulnerability, which is in part due to vulnerability becoming a means where you will be targeted and outcasted by your surrounding communities, it also in many ways removes one's care for their fellow man. The only times men should be vulnerable should be among their brothers, because that vulnerability is protected by the group, which historically has been the cause for brotherhood and will probably never change. Plus given aggression by testosterone, there is nothing wrong with expression of it in healthy ways. It's the opposition to it that is unhealthy.
I agree. Chucks analysis of it being a “mutually agreed upon therapy” is fitting and a valid explanation. I shouldve elaborated more but when I made that point its more to say that men who idolize Tyler Durden may not even take the steps in real life to try a way to bond with their male counterparts, but quickly be drawn into the macho ultraviolence bonding of the Fight Club.
The analysis of fight club is a massive stretch. "You don't need to be free you just need to cry"
The earliest example of the "sigma male" I can remember is Holden Caulfield from The Catcher in the Rye. The book acts as a way to point out the flaws of civilization from the perspective of a lonely young man. Holden fits the "sigma male" mindset perfectly. A commenter below said it perfectly, Holden represents a character whom we can recognize the flaws in, but people sometimes intentionally ignore them. I had a friend who identified extensively with Holden, basing his whole self around the character. We were young and naive, but even I knew at the time that Holden was not a character to strive to be like. Again, like a commenter below said, Holden is a character that represents an attractive and romanticized side of loneliness and depression. I believe Holden Caulfield is the original "sigma male". His behavior and thoughts match the sigma male mindset
That’s the most sigma thing. Ignoring the author’s message and intention and creating ur own.
texts have multiple dimensions, not just the authors context, but your own context. two half truths, only when understood together judged correctly. you cannot interpret anything without knowledgeably ignoring your context.
I don't mind "woke" movies as long as they are good, sadly that can't be said about current movies, these movies had a message to send and they did With great writing, current movies instead decided that a diverse cast should be enough and instead have tunnel vision when it comes to writing, disregarding everyone but the audience in their own bubble
really comes down to corporations wanting to pander and infiltrate niche communities
@@OzymandiasV2 true
No, the higher ups paint a narrative that they want, that's why you see so many woke propaganda media popping up, cuz appealing to 'niche communities' has nothing to do with that, it's to fund their own narrative, whether it succeeds financially or not, they don't give a solitary fuck about revenue, they only care to push their agenda
Finally I find someone who use the word "Woke" in a open minded way (personally I despise that word, I think it doesn't really mean anything)
I totally agree that corporation are only using progressisme to do quick money as social mouvements get stronger
But to be fair, using what's trendy is a trick as long as time
It's most apparent in Disney, you can find plenty "Wokeness" in their products but take a simple look at their workplace and practice and you'll see the cracks
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Good work my brother keep it up. I've sent this to all my transomies, most of them already knew about the directors being trans, but I don't think they knew about some of the more subtle stuff. Good s***
thank you for the support!!!
Have you ever heard of Erich Fromm's 'The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness?' - One can glean that, in the case of men like these, their impulse for destructiveness stems from their desire to transcend the human condition and feel contentment/happy. Of course, transcendence can be achieved through creation as well, but destructiveness is the easy way out, usually reserved for when one feels they are alienated, powerless, and ultimately have failed to create anything, whether that is because of an inability to do so, or having been denied the opportunity to do so. This is why Agent K actually does achieve transcendence by the end of Bladerunner 2049 :)
They think destruction is a creative act 😂 edgy
I just love movie analysis my mum taught me to analyse movies a couple years and it’s helped me grow a lot. Pay attention to movies!!
if you showed this video essay to myself from a year ago i would’ve exploded. i was so enriched in this “sigma” lifestyle and personality that it seems so cringey to look back on. thank you for this amazing video explaining everything in these movies that people miss.
youre welcome! seems like some people are still in that phase. personally, i think i had a good balance of explaining what radicalized the characters and also giving solutions
@@OzymandiasV2is going to gym an act of sexism?
@@rafaelbernardes5305 Why would it ever be?
@@carpet163 I dont know, but I already heard people saying that
@@rafaelbernardes5305 Then they're stupid. Exercising is not and will never be sexist.
I think the reason why kids can't understand satire is bcoz of social media i watched these movies in when i was also around 14-16 i understood the irony in these movies even tho I'm dumb
Really makes me chuckle how these people will claim that theyre taking the red pill and escaping the matrix whilst functioning under, scoring themselves through and overall working within the system and set of social constructs which are actually 'the matrix.'
Same energy as saying 'going to the gym while skinny is funny'
very nice video, i found you on tiktok a couple months prior and its great to see how you blew up
thank you! glad each platform i move to has the upside of allowing me to reach more people 🙏
No mention of the Peaky Blinders’ Tommy Shelby? He’s a perfect example of this too
i know i mentioned the sopranos but PB is a tv show. However, i may make a video on finance bros and use Wolf of Wall Street and Peaky Blinders as examples
@@OzymandiasV2Isn't Joker a kind of sigma movie too?
i would say so but i didnt expect this video to catch this much traction and didnt want to bloat it
I believe the videos audio was remixed a little weirdly. I sometimes find it hard to hear what youre saying and I believe the music is a bit to loud in some parts.
Thats my only criticisms.
Very well written video, very good video, i like it, and I believe it deserves more views.
If you "fix" the audio i believe you have a very successfull yt vareer in front of you.
Keep up the great work! 🤙
thank you! yeah i noticed some of it in post but chalked up to my headphones. will definitely fix it for the next one and thanks for the constructive criticism 🙏
THIS IS WITHOUT A DOUBT MY FAVORITE UA-cam VIDEO IN A LONG TIME
THANK YOU!!!!
Please do an entire three hour-long video essay on deconstructing the Barbie movie as well as Oppenheimer thank you
nukes bad. one gender having power bad. like and subscribe
@@OzymandiasV2 nooo I NEED MAINSTREAM OPNIONS FED INTO MY VEINS VIA 3 HOURS OF STUMBLING around and going complealty off topic and going into the history of pathriarcy and atoms and molecures reeee
In the Book fight club, most of the famous tyler durden quotes are said by project mayhem-henchman (aka. the "space monkeys"), and the main character is always kind of rolling his eyes, because he knows that they are just quoting from tyler durdens manifesto, blindly accepting his doctrine without even understanding it fully.
havent read the book but a lot of people ignore the fact that durden becomes a full blown cult leader/terrorist by the end of it
@@OzymandiasV2 you should if you got the time. It's writing style, partly just consisting of the main characters messed up inner dialogues while he slowly becomes more and more radical, is pretty great.
In a time when people are making Jeffrew Damer sigma eddits, I think this video is really neccessary 💀
I don't think I'll ever understand why some people genuinely identify with Patrick Bateman
In my life originally I started working out to be more attractive to women, I get compliments from dudes, now I work out for myself
I think there is two major movies that was missed in this video, Joker (2019) and the Dark Knight Series, however this is still a fantastic video and I think those two movies have been talked about for a long time.
This is a good video on the two contrasting movies here: ua-cam.com/video/-ffkn3MPXGs/v-deo.html
thank you! i honestly didnt expect this vid to blow up and i made it as kind of a one off. Joker was definitely a choice I kicked myself in the foot for not adding along with not mentioning that thje snowflake monologue from durden was supposed to reflect the conformity a lot of sigmas hate and crave
I just like these movies because they're entertaining and not pretentious and I think that goes for a lot of other people aswell
theyre good movies
same as me
@@OzymandiasV2they also have a good themes
Hard 🙌🙌 like a modern ‘the perverts guide to ideology’
getting compared to zizek is a new for me
what makes American Psycho so poetic for me is the ending-- the whole vagueness of it reveals much more about the corporate lifestyle being inhumanely greedy and psychopathically petty as fuck that a literal serial killer would "fit" right in, yet ironically, Bateman has never felt more out of place. It basically just says *ultra-rich people are such fucking psychopaths that they'd leave a literal serial killer mentally scarred*
Bro your articulation is on another level 🌌🤝🏽💯
🙏 thank you!
I'm not going to lie that I ended up getting to know many piece of mídia from the video due to this sigma trend.
And now my favorite movie has become Fight Club, not only for the message, but the direction, the characters and the color palette.
I'm sad Sigma has become just a term to alienate young kids. Instead of valuing yourself, as a man.
exactly. and fight club is my favorite out of the three
sigma never meant that in the first place. it was always toxic macho bullshit by dudes who spend too much time on 4chan and reddit.
I think The Fight Club be slightly less vague if they implemented the book ending. Which is, the narrator wakes up in a mental hospital thinking that he's in heaven and that he must stop Tayler Durden from coming back. That would be a more obvious allusion to his inner self ending up being his ruin. But I guess it's harder to implement right
I think film is art and art is subjective. If you looked at a painting and had a particular interpretation of it, you are right, even if it is different from the way the artist intended for it to be interpreted. The same thing applies to cinema. If one person watches the matrix and views it as a message on escaping the system and waking up to reality, but someone else views it as a message on gender identity, they are both right. There is no “one right way” to view art, there is only your own personal perspective.
i think this is true until you basically use the art against itself. you wouldnt watch star wars and say the United States should become like Empire and have a dictator that genocides entire planets and demographics. if you like Tyler Durden and adapt some of his quirks, thats fine. Saying that Tyler durden did nothing wrong and that Fight Club says violence is always the answer would be objectively wrong
i watched this video halfway through until the bladerunner 2049 part came, paused it. Watched bladerunner 2049 and then resumed watching this video.
whatd you think of it? it probably wouldve hit better without the twist being spoiled but i think its still enjoyable even knowing
@@OzymandiasV2 Oh i absolutely loved it, and don't worry, the I didn't get spoiled by the video. I watched a bit of this video where you talk about bladerunner and then i went like "hold on i gotta watch the movie first".
glad you got saved then 🙏. the twist is what made me fall in love with the movie. the scene where he meets the others just like him along with the JOI scene was so powerful
the true sigma movie is batman begins
Even "the Batman"
He starts with a narrow world view but through putting himself out there and understanding different perspectives
To become a better Man
While the Riddler is angry at the mean world
This was a really good breakdown, I loved all these movies but I have also found it odd how these 'sigmas' always look towards obviously bad men as role models. But I especially liked the commentary on Bladerunner, very cool
thank you! yeah theyre great movies and the characters (besides Bateman) teach good lessons, but a major part of their presentation is to tell you what not to do or they frame society as the problem
this video is awesome! It really is so funny how all these movies that "sigma males" love is a critique on how they act. But I can't say I'm surprised that they don't recognize that... keep up the great work dude!
thank you!
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IDK but this is the first time I realized that Jared Leto plays a supporting character in 3 of those movies.
Man just found out that different viewers interpret media differently
its so funny how many variations of this comment there are on a video of me interpreting media in my own way
@@OzymandiasV2 Except you just copy whatever the director told you to think.
not really. all of these besides the matrix are pretty straightforward with their themes and intents. In this video alone, my interpretations veers off of what Ellis and Palahniuk say, but i still quote them to give the auddience context and some cool tidbits about the creation of the media @@stockimageguy8941
The real problem is them being hype over Wolf of Wall Street. Hes clearly a terrible dude and I see edits of him all the time 💀
I fcking WoWS & Ik very much that he was a terrible dude. But I will say some of the edits I've seen for the film are amazing.
What’s hilarious is at a point when everyone was reposting literally me they didn’t even look half like the characters and were the exact opposite of those they claimed to be.One thing u woke me up on was the fight club section.Really fightclub was about how if u try to escape a system u just end up in another one.An endless loop lol great vid.
Remember when Sigma memes used to make fun of Sigma males and very satire. Well now it feels like they are condoning everything and thinking what they are saying is correct. Woke vs Anti-woke is a terrible debate. Just enjoy the movies you do, and don't watch the ones you don't.
Incredible analysis of this cultural phenomenon. The irony of “sigma males” and their media is something I’ve always wanted to see someone cover. Keep up the amazing work!
Just watched this video and it's honestly probably my favorite video that you've posted! Genuinely such a banger
thank you!!! hoping to get better and better!
That title remind me when I joking calling American Psycho and Fight Club "woke" because some low life anti-sjw youtuber making video about how some movie that happened to be bomb at cinema "woke"
As someone who stopped watching Sigma memes I see this as an absolute win.
I find the story of Drive so sad, you can see that even in the fact that Gabriel had returned to the life Irene, he didnt want to disrupt that, and in fact the second toast Gabriel gives (a real and sincere one compared to the first one he gives at the party) you sorr of see in the Driver a certain acceptance that while he cant have Irene he still accepts Gabriel, Irene and Benicio as a sort of newfound family of his own.
Like, I get what the intended message was I just don't agree with said message. Wasn't art supposed to be subjective? If I think the author is full of shit I will naturally be sympathetic to the intended antagonist.
You're right about the matrix tho, people just take the red pill methaphore and generally disregard the rest of the movie, which is kinda sad since the true sigma of the franchise is really agent Smith but I hardly see him being portrayed as a "literally me" character.
art is some subjective, but i think theres a level of purposeful ignorance of the messages and themes. I could watch Infinity War and full support Thanos, but if i go around using Thanos to justify real world genocide and say that Infinity War was "based" because it showed Thanos as good guy in my eyes.. i misunderstood the art.
The real problem is that these movies are bad satire, they can be validly interpreted to mean what was intended and the complete opposite.
In pairing with this video. I highly, HIGHLY recommend F.D signifiers video on “edge lord” movies.
love FD
fantastic video. only major film you missed is Taxi Driver but you covered the others so well it shouldn't matter, great job
Thanks for that! i had other stuff in mind (for example how i mention the sopranos at the beginning), but i didnt want to blot the video and didnt expect this vid to blow up. thanks for the comment
Me when I don't realize that average person making sigma memes doesn't actually think of themselves as a "sigma male" and I just can't take a joke
Ok, but they still use this movies as formats to spread hateful shit online and act like Patrick Batemans life is desirable. The matrix is being used an allegory to get kids to buy courses, and idk Ryan Gosling is funny.
me when i don't realize that the uploader wasn't talking to the people making jokes, and really not even "sigma males" at all(whatever those are), but instead to reactionary incels, and that the uploader even made it a point to distinguish the two in the first parts of the video.
@@malum9478 either way the title is saying that all "sigma movies are woke" as if anyone but the smallest minority takes the meme and movies at seriously and worship them as "conservative alpha male buzzword buzzword movies". And saying "all Your" gives the pressions he's referring to, or at least baiting, the wider audience rather than the super small minority that legitimately worship the characters
Only watched Matrix and to be honest always thought about as just dumb fun action film and never tried to look deeper.
it draws a lot from philosophy too especially with the spoon scene
Late last year I viewed American Psycho for the first time. After it was over I felt it had been oversold to me. Before I saw the motion picture, I frequently saw edits, memes and high praise for the movie.
I felt disturbed that this many men felt exactly like Mr. Bateman. I understand his struggles, I don’t feel bad for him. Like you stated, he murders people that have little to no impact on his daily life of greed. His brutality is what made him extremely hard to like and that is what the film likely argues against.
The film is not critical enough of his actions from what I recall. I don’t take pity on him as he has ample resources to fix his life. However it’s not his character. He is not a character of change but one who drives himself deeper into conflict. That’s what I got at least.
A marvelous video- the narration and editing was perfectly splendid.
thank you for the compliment and i agree. first time i watched it i was like “is that it?”. However, i think the fact that Bateman is in his own personal hell is the movies way of “criticizing” him. Patrick Bateman is constantly subtly belittled, has no identity (people mistake him for others all the time), and even in his delusions he is eventually caught and finally becomes a sobbing mess. In his confession at the end of the movie, he even says that it means nothing and he will never have release. Honestly i wouldnt be surprised if there was some hidden layer of the movie being that Willem Dafoe is the devil and the entire film is in Hell
@@OzymandiasV2 You are welcome and thank you. A wonderful reply you have sent me. I think the movie is subtle in its meanings but plenty of people pronounce this a masterpiece. The word masterpiece is overused and doesn’t describe the level of quality of this film. It’s just okay to me, there’s deep meanings but overhyped by people online.
Now in the same “sigma movie universe” the film Falling Down (1993) is certainly my favorite film out there. It is more critical (although arguably not enough) of a man’s violent actions towards society. I think it could be a real god watch for you and possibly a good channel video. If it’s not for you then that’s alright, no film is meant for everyone’s enjoyment.
Bateman is driven by a desire for recognition. As much as he says he wants to fit in, he actually wants to be caught, to be found out, to be recognized in public as this homicidal psycho. His most brutal crimes are those inflicted on people who don't recognize him or confuse him for someone else, whereas those who do interact with him on a personal level are left unharmed. The end of the film is the world around him telling him that he doesn't get to have this. He is trapped in this state of anonymity with a bunch of identical drones who will ignore his every indiscretion, the exact thing he fears. He is the villain and you aren't meant to pity him, but there is something to be said to being able to relate to his fear of fading into the background of his own life., of being a non-entity who does horrible shit and just dies.
@@LicoriceLain Well said. I watched many videos analyzing the movie after and I was still unimpressed with the film and his character. His brutality was used on a homeless guy and several prostitutes. Neither of them really had an impact on his life, he was just slaughtering for the sake of using people as punching bags. The fact he goes after what many would consider as low lifes doesn’t make his killing any better. They are still innocent people and I know it’s apart to make him disturbing. I just don’t like it and didn’t find it funny as many did.
I understand that he wants to fit in, has no real identity and is a symbol for what many men want to be in terms of success. The movie was just mediocre. If it wasn’t put on a ultra high pedestal I would have enjoyed it more as it would not have been oversold to me. I still recognize why people enjoy it, it’s just not a movie for me.
i enjoy both movies for what they are: a perfectly edited best of anime scifi movie and a grotesque and very funny serial killer drama
theyre not bad movies at all
one comment about 3:55
i find the reason he doesn’t kill him is more about disgust than a fear of being accepted: the man makes an advance on him because he views the choking as sexual, bateman is so disgusted by it that he can’t stand to be in there anymore or continue with the choking, perhaps speaking to his homophobic pettiness.
thats a fair analysis. the main reason why i went with fear of intimacy/true interest is because nothing in the film to that point really indicated that Bateman hated gay people (in the book he is violently though). Its debatable on why he stopped but I think the scene with Jean adds to it. Cant think of a third person he spared to establish a rule though
Its kinda weird to enjoy choking when its not intended in a sexual way this has nothing to do with homophobia lol
I love sigma memes but when people unironically start to call themselves sigma it becomes unfunny
The mental gymnastics you pulled on to justify the matrix being about transgenderism is impressive
The Directors are literally Trans Women lmao
>trans character that got scrapped
>you have to take a pill to see the other side
>entire movie is about breaking free from conformity
>creators both identify as trans and said that they had those themes in mind making it
you can disagree but theres a lot of evidence besides “the creators are trans so the movie is trans”
@@OzymandiasV2 A trans character would undo the entire allegory because how can there be an allegorical and literal transition from meatspace to cyberspace? Plus, the way residual self-image works the trans character would be forced to undo the transition every time they went to the Matrix. Sounds pretty callous.
People have lived as the opposite gender prior to modern medicine. The red pill is also a clear reference to Total Recall.
The Matrix is not about breaking free from comformity. In fact the movie explicitly states that the utopia Matrix just failed because human nature rejected a simulation that was too perfect. And at the end of the trilogy humans are given a choice to be free or remain in the simulation as a compromise. At it's core the Matrix is more about reality and how you can perceive reality that's totally simulated, and free choice. The entire thing is centered around computer simulation and deterministic processes creating a predictable event that the Oracle can see. However, Neo himself states that he is fulfilling the prophecy because he CHOSE to. While a Smith unchained from the restrictions placed upon him as an Agent will seek power for power's sake because he is a program obeying his code, Neo shows his human nature through free will and self-sacrifice. This culminates in the machines injecting into Neo the code that kills Smith in a way that makes his body glow into the shape of a cross, employing overt religious symbology to reference self-sacrifice to save humanity. I mean the red pill part is pretty inexcusable as it's such a blatant reference to another sci-fi movie but where is the conformity here? Hell, the trilogy even states that as long as free choice is involved, it's okay to embrace conformity inside the Matrix.
Creators can retcon their opinions. Just Kidding Rowling did it. We'd need some kind of written or recorded statement before or during filming, saying it a decade plus after the fact creates a situation that's impossible to verify. "Just trust me, bro". No I don't think I will.
I think my favorite Sigma memes are the parodies with Johan Liebert (Monster) technically following 'Sigma' protocol but realistically having opposite intentions, like giving an poor alcoholic money for booze.
i still need to get around to finishing it
We're indeed suffering in the modern society.
real
Doesnt matter what you belivie, go to gym and be happy
im not anti gym
It was actually hilarious for me to end up learning that the American Psycho book was written by a gay dude & the film directed by a woman while the biggest mouthpieces of it are ppl who hate both. Equally funny that The Matrix introduced "red pilled" & the directors are trans and also let's not forget The Boys. The inherent irony of these sigma ppl is just crazy to me like how do you not get it?? I will say that some of the memes are funny asf.
glad i could let you know some good trivia/extra info about each one! 🤝
I'm glad the algorithm just brought me here, the kind of video that talks about what I've sense in a gut feeling but didn't know how to explain it yet. Thanks!
Like Otto von Bismarck said “ Only a fool learns from his own mistakes. The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”, a real life sigma frl
I kinda hate that guy because studying his political shenanigans was a pain
But yeah he really was badass
@@Ale-dd3ek yeah but that was the reason the goat kaiser wilhem spell him off a 🚤
No one talks about how cute Tyler Durden outfits are :(
I’ve always been annoyed at the utter hate towards people who enjoy these movies. You guys just absolutely hate any sort of space where men can share their problems. The world saw a group of men who obviously relate not to the “evil” parts of characters but the more complex parts of being a man, and your first reaction was to call them virgins and losers, and the worst part is you label it as toxic or dangerous and eliminate yet another space for men. If you aren’t a man don’t try to understand. These movies are usually about isolation, loneliness, and purposelessness. Obviously the tik tok girlies won’t relate. There’s plenty of beloved characters that are villains. You can want bateman’s confidence without wanting to keel the homeless. It’s also such a double standard because y’all simp for Evan peters dahmer and joe from you. If you want to go another level deeper, the rise of the “sigma” figure is due to the decline in masculinity and healthy households with both parents. Young men are desperate for any sort of firm masculine guide or mentor. Sorry for ranting but this pisses me off. You’re trying to tell me tiktok npcs have more of an in-depth understanding of movies than actual tistic dudes who stay inside all day? Also it’s art, let people take away whatever tf they want. You’re gonna come in and say your opinions on this art are wrong lmfao
There's definitely a trend here. Suddenly, all of the guys who used to promoted or loved these movies decided to stand up and shit on the fanbase of these movies, looking for the big gotcha moment. And apparently self improvement is now alt-right because people who participate in self improvement start having opinions and perspectives that are different to these people. This is a herd mentality if you ask me.
didnt say any of this in the vid besides the online girlfriend joke. did you finish the American Psycho segment before you commented this? I say that patrick bateman speaks to lonely men who have a lot of anger at themselves and society so they use him as a mouthpiece, validating exactly what youre saying. you essentially wrote an entire paragraph without watching the video in its entirety
watch my video on that. my videos are aimed to have people like you guys comment without watching it in full. In my “self improvement is the new alt right pipeline” video i state that the gym isnt political but that people themselves are using it as vehicles for their beliefs to that they can feel like they fit into a hierarchy. I dont care if a communist, trump supporter or red piller wants to genuinely improve. Shit gets weird when you start lifting with shit like “the woke left society wants you to be weak and gay” or “i lift so that my gf wont want to do onlyfans”. At that point, youre just doing it for clicks and to weaponize your hobby. This is coming from a gym goer too
@@OzymandiasV2 Oh i know that, your videos titles are basically just clickbait so guys like me and him can go to the comment section and leave a hate comment without even finish the videos. I did watch your videos before and surprise surprise, we have a lot in common than you thought. Though i wouldn't consider this "Shit gets weird when you start lifting with shit like “the woke left society wants you to be weak and gay” or “i lift so that my gf wont want to do onlyfans”" self improvement, i mean you even admit it yourself "At that point, youre just doing it for clicks and to weaponize your hobby". But i guess a clickbait title to lure rage click guys like myself is far more interesting than the usual "this is bad, OMG".
not reading allat buddy
Media should not only have one meaning something good should have the viewer to get their own view on the film
This whole video (and probably channel) is a huge dumpster of unproven claims like: "if you criticize whamen (or even make fun of them), you = sexist, toxic + if you say something salty = you're 12 years old + "barbie = literally me is cool but any male charcter = literally me is toxic" etc.
I mean this in the nicest way possible
What the fuck are you talking about???
you legit just made up an imaginary version of me to get mad at
I didn't see the video yet but my answer for the title is "yes, we know, that's why we're editing into a sigma version". We disagree with those movie messages
Ozy, I literally love you, I hope this video spreads big time
its already my highest vid! so hopefully! thank you 🫶
I don't really comment that often but i just felt the need to comment on this video. you make a lot of really great points and as someone who had a friend who was the more crazed "Sigma male" I can truly agree that lots of these are used completely out of context. this video, while i dont agree on every thing, is very well articulated and more people should really actually watch the films. i personally loved Blade Runner 2049 far more than the original (I still recommend watching both). The Matrix point is interesting to me however i can see what people like Andrew Tate mean. The system aka the matrix is one that is designed to trap you and keep you from ever being "free" but by using the Matrix to your own benefit, similar to how neo can manipulate the matrix to compete against the men in suits, you can then escape the matrix as you now live above or aware of it. I definitely agree with your points and fully support that people should actually watch these movies. I apologize for any poorly worded sentences i dont often write like i have said earlier.
no problem bro thank you for the comment. as for tate, hes not arong but rather his “solutions” are either to pay him to tell you how to “escape” or to tell people that they should run the matrix and not destroy it. i also think BR2049 is better than the first
Well, I'd say The Matrix is more about adapting the Cave Myth from Plato than about capitalism. On the trans topic supposedly in the movie, I just call complete and absolute bullshit on the directors nowadays.
the "they turned trans and retconned" card would work if they didnt get Switch denied by warner bros and had the concept of the pill/new identity. also the cave allegory is broad. it can apply to many things. I dont think its a coincidence that Neo's matrix life is working in a corporate hellscape with a dick boss
It is possible to admire, and integrate into oneself, specific aspects of a character while at the same time being aware of, and avoiding, the flaws. Self reliance and confidence are admirable traits, people who are unable to attain such qualities find them threatening.
I'd love to hear you talk about Donnie Darko sometime
i had to look up a video explaining the time loop/alternate timelines so im the last person to do a vid on it lmao
I don't think Sigma's want to be like Tyler Durden or the guy from American psycho. After all, their phrase is "he's literally me", not "I want to be like him". These guys know that the people they talk about are messed up, all they want people to know is that they are also messed up. Since they have no one to talk to they do this through memes and hide their feelings behind a wall of comedy, but the big problem behind this is people just being alone and seeing themselves reflected in people that are sick, just like them. It's a cry for help more than anything else
nice analysis love too see real independant creative and caring creators like you . Keep it up !
thank you 🙏
I believe a lot of these movies are known to be Woke by ‘Sigmas’ but, because of their extreme, exaggerated and intense emotions they convey, as well as the cinematography it’s the only escape that these people can find relatable. Nobody would make movies about a sigma male with a boring uneventful life with an A list actor, so they just take small moments from these movies, that capture how they feel or what they want. When they think of American Psycho, they don’t consider his killing sprees, these clips or photos they use just demonstrates a confident, succesful man who has anger deep down, and those gosling movies also capture a male loneliness. Any media that is filmed well and aesthetically pleasing about a lonely male will be eaten up by these people. I don’t think it’s that deep, I think they just need an escape and cut the parts they want
Something to note is that most of these “sigmas” havent even watched the movie that has their beloved character. They just look at the memes.
Well then they just do it for parody no?
@@Sako1996 I guess the majority yes, but some dont
That too