Great test. In Europe we have no source of real time old school diesel testing. There are lots of companies in diesel tuning but hardly anyone that handles mechanical injection on a Cummins. A pleasure to follow your posts. Thank you 🙏
Love a Fummins, these turbos are nice looking, for my application big compounds or tripples is where I'm looking but those are nice chargers for a tow truck!
The rpm drop for peak torque in tow tune. Is awesome!!! Great video guys. Been ordering stuff for my 98 215 pump. Might have to look at the aggressor turbo for the girl next
@@pddofficialI have an 89 non intercooled 12 valve that the alternator was overcharging and I saw some smoke come from under the dash while driving and shortly later it died and will only turn over it’s not getting fuel I did the fuseable links and still the same thing I had a mechanic look at it and he said it’s getting fuel to the injection pump but isn’t to the injectors do you think something like the alternator overcharging would kill the pump or what do you think my problem could be I greatly appreciate any input
@@owenrigsby5608 shutdown solenoid. 12 v is completely mechanical fuel pump outside the solenoid. Possibly fried it. Or a circuit that engages it. It's on the side oglf pump. 2 wires
Can't wait to get my P Pump you guys just rebuilt for me back in my 12 valve. We set it up for 400 HP because it's in a Class A Motorcoach and with the 5 12 injectors..etc...& it should be a beast. I'm running a radiator and Intercooler out of a Ford F700 MDT truck. I think the 64 Fummins Turbo will be the next big step for my rig. If it'll pull Eisenhower Pass out of Colorado flat towing my rock crawler without having to grunt up in 1st gear, like it did with the old EFI 460 & C6 into to Moab, I'll be happy. And that reprogrammed Allison 5 speed will be the icing on the cake!
Just found this vid. Awesome info guys! I'm building a 1967 F100, body swapped on to a 2004 F350 chassis with the ZF6 manual. The test of this combo is exactly what I was looking for.
Perfect timing, was about to buy an S362 for my Fummins. Primarily used for DD and towing. This changed my mind. I even have the exact same fueling as in the video. Excited to see the Fummins compound setup!
Pretty excited about your compound set up I will be keeping my eye out. I love the guys at DCS been dealing with them for five years. My 03 has had a 97 12 valve in it and has over 400,000 miles on the conversion, but I would love to have compounds
When I see people pushing 1200 degrees I'm very thankful for my vp truck only hitting 700-800 pulling 10-12klbs. Comp box and flux injectors with the stock hy, works really good for more power, but not over working it. But my truck might make 300hp to the wheels.😂
That's crazy. Cruising on flat ground my truck runs higher than that towing my 5er. Maybe your gauge is broke? 1200 is very mild realisticly. I could hit 1350 at 75% throttle towing my 5er on my lml duramax with just a 70hp tow tune. If I pegged the throttle I could hit 1500s.
Compound are a must in life. Even though a big single can be fun. I just bought a drw 6.7 I was actually surprised how peppy that he351vgt was . The he351cw was great on my 01 5.9 I read Will made some power on comp d with that turbo under a s488? Or 80.
As the weirdo of the audience I'm impressed it has a manual shift in a Fummins. The as its awesome! I've never watched any other vids either this pickup ss I'm Ford guy with a Powerstroke but I fight get in my 6.0 so this is very interesting to me.
@@pddofficial I guess I'm always wishing auto did something different is why I say that. A well tuned and capable auto is nicer, but getting it there I haven't had luck. May take control of tuning in the future.
On the full power run we started them at the same rpm and the aggressor made peak torque 200 rpm earlier. On tuned mode griff had low end fueling limited to control smoke with the 362. It wouldn't pull through the load until higher rpm. With the aggressor it spooled easily at a lower rpm so we showed it. It is a real difference between turbos. If we tuned the truck specifically for the aggressor turbo the torque would have been even higher. That might be a fun quick follow up video!
Your kill me. Just lost my 47re torque converter. And I was waiting for the black Friday sales for the twin sequential turbo set up to go on sale. Now having to flush and teardown the tyranny
So how would the k27 compare to the aggressor 60/67 As far as egts are concerned My truck has a k27 I have orders these injectors stage 1s (will be stock dv) Will i see a drop n egts With the aggressor over the k27 u think i am towing a fifth wheel just like the fummins
The k27 is a great turbo. But this large turbine wheel in this .9ar housing with give better egt control. Also we will be designing our towing compounds around this turbo if you ever think more turbos are in your future! Todd
If you want a real challenge I have a truck nobody can figure out. 2012 dodge Cummins dually, done everything possible multiple tuners but EGT’s still will melt the truck down when towing. I have the alarm set to 1600 degrees
In a 12cm housing you are correct. We tried the 67 turbine in the 12cm housing and we didn't love it. But I personally like this .9 housing with the 67mm the best. It works so well! Todd
I have a 2003 6.0 dually 4x4 crew cab and need to do something similar (whatever that looks like for the 6.0). I tow 2-3 times per week putting 2-3K miles up to 12K pounds and its normal for the old Ford to pull 1250+egt up hills. Everything stock on block save head studs, snp air box, 4" exhaust and six gun banks. Truck has great power, but way too hot!
@@pddofficial So, keep my factory injectors, go SCT and KC stg 1? Do you sell these or have recommended place to purchase? UPDATE: I went to your website and read through so my question is answered ty
2nd engine in 270k mile on 6.0-ohNo! I’m purchasing a 12v and going fummins. Is there a complete package like this one at PDD online? Also is there any change/adjustment with spring or plate etc?
Lower the injection advance more with the larger injectors, and ever so slightly increase pilot injection volume if it has pilot, thermal efficiency will increase and engine and egt temperature will decrease
In theory it's cooler because it makes more boost at all loads than the 362. What's really weird is how fast egt dropped when you stop. It's crazy how quick it got down to 400 degrees when idling after towing. Todd
@@pddofficial you guys added air and introduced fuel more efficiently. I can't say for certain if the injection changes is delivering less fuel so I assume it's the same but better atomization. Either way more air same fuel means more fuel combustion taking place in the cylinder instead of in the exhaust manifold. Which equals less smoke less heat and more power. Banks talks a lot about this in his videos.
Are the powerjet nozzles the same ones you have to rebuild the injectors on your sight I believe mine are the old eight hole nozzles. The 3rd gen 24 early 04. But I'm won't know till I pull them for. Sure. I am likely going to want to pull dyno before and after I do to much to this truck. I bought it with 8700 miles but I think there was some work done on it not sure if the owner did it. Orit was a dealer demo I'm uncertain Only way I'll know is a dyno run. I have done the exhaust but that's it. As far as I know it's all stock. 😀
it will work great! the turbo is set up to run in the 500 to 600 hp area and so the 100hp DDP on a vp44 truck will normally make 450 to 500 hp and so the turbo will run perfect for you
@@brettpatterson8641 it's an Aggressor 60/67. That turbo wasn't released at the time we replied to the comment, so a modified HE351 was the best way to explain it!
So I have a 97 12 valve nv4500 4x4, factory lower end and factory head, factory headgasket, running 5x14's, 55 delivery valves, 215 pump @ 18° w/4k gov and a Borg K27 4" all the way back, and I get 900° F EGT'S empty @70 mph averageing 20-25 psi boost on hills maybe 10 psi on flat ground. Planning on adding a compound charger and "O" ringed head hence the bigger fuel set up. Is there a way to cool the EGT's by changing the delivery valves till I get the new set up? Just looking for ways to make it more efficient since thats the name of the game. Thanks for any input in advance.
@@pddofficial As High Egts kills engines, torque kills auto trans. I once owned the 03 Dodge 3500 cummins 305hp/550tq and that was plenty fast for me. So about that for my swap would be great. I want to tie a 47rh auto 4x4 non-electric tranny to my 6bt to stand alone in my box Chevy without trans tuner and not spending 5-10k on a tranny to hold up to 1k torqueI'm even making the pump shut off manual and doing away with solenoid valve.
So for us that are diesel illiterate but love watching what you diesel guys are doing and wondering how 90% of you are rolling coal and acting like it's a ok and then I watching banks power and hear gale banks say if you're rolling tons of black smoke you are doing it wrong. Any explanation or clarification you can offer for myself being diesel illiterate?
Great test. In Europe we have no source of real time old school diesel testing. There are lots of companies in diesel tuning but hardly anyone that handles mechanical injection on a Cummins. A pleasure to follow your posts. Thank you 🙏
Only hundreds of tractor pullers..
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in finland we have, many of them.
Love a Fummins, these turbos are nice looking, for my application big compounds or tripples is where I'm looking but those are nice chargers for a tow truck!
Right on
I always enjoy watching these videos. Lot of information
Gale banks. Would approve of lowering those temps…. But he is. The man. And the air density is all that matters
The rpm drop for peak torque in tow tune. Is awesome!!! Great video guys. Been ordering stuff for my 98 215 pump. Might have to look at the aggressor turbo for the girl next
That quick spoolup makes a huge difference!
@@pddofficialI have an 89 non intercooled 12 valve that the alternator was overcharging and I saw some smoke come from under the dash while driving and shortly later it died and will only turn over it’s not getting fuel I did the fuseable links and still the same thing I had a mechanic look at it and he said it’s getting fuel to the injection pump but isn’t to the injectors do you think something like the alternator overcharging would kill the pump or what do you think my problem could be I greatly appreciate any input
@@owenrigsby5608 shutdown solenoid. 12 v is completely mechanical fuel pump outside the solenoid. Possibly fried it. Or a circuit that engages it. It's on the side oglf pump. 2 wires
Epic how these things are so simple you can help the guy out like that.
Best diesel content on UA-cam!!!👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
Thank you
Can't wait to get my P Pump you guys just rebuilt for me back in my 12 valve. We set it up for 400 HP because it's in a Class A Motorcoach and with the 5 12 injectors..etc...& it should be a beast. I'm running a radiator and Intercooler out of a Ford F700 MDT truck.
I think the 64 Fummins Turbo will be the next big step for my rig. If it'll pull Eisenhower Pass out of Colorado flat towing my rock crawler without having to grunt up in 1st gear, like it did with the old EFI 460 & C6 into to Moab, I'll be happy. And that reprogrammed Allison 5 speed will be the icing on the cake!
Sounds like your building a beast! I love it!
Todd
Just found this vid. Awesome info guys! I'm building a 1967 F100, body swapped on to a 2004 F350 chassis with the ZF6 manual. The test of this combo is exactly what I was looking for.
That is awesome! Glad it helped!
No doubt, this is an impressive result. Nice 👍
It works really well now!
Perfect timing, was about to buy an S362 for my Fummins. Primarily used for DD and towing. This changed my mind. I even have the exact same fueling as in the video. Excited to see the Fummins compound setup!
Awesome glad we could help! We were greatly supersized as well.
Glad it help and we can not wait for compounds
Hell yea!! Love the Fummins and 12 valve content!!!!!!
Thank you
Cool video guys. I really like those modified he351 turbo’s 👍🏻
They work incredibly well!
Todd
Todd and all u all are so cool can't wait to meet u and some of the others. 😀👍
Can't wait!
Just got my 62 67 he 351 today can't wait to put it on. Also thanks for the beanie PDD!
Awesome glad you liked it the 62/67 is a blast to drive!!
Pretty excited about your compound set up I will be keeping my eye out. I love the guys at DCS been dealing with them for five years. My 03 has had a 97 12 valve in it and has over 400,000 miles on the conversion, but I would love to have compounds
Stay tuned we will definitely be working on it.
When I see people pushing 1200 degrees I'm very thankful for my vp truck only hitting 700-800 pulling 10-12klbs. Comp box and flux injectors with the stock hy, works really good for more power, but not over working it. But my truck might make 300hp to the wheels.😂
That's crazy. Cruising on flat ground my truck runs higher than that towing my 5er. Maybe your gauge is broke? 1200 is very mild realisticly. I could hit 1350 at 75% throttle towing my 5er on my lml duramax with just a 70hp tow tune. If I pegged the throttle I could hit 1500s.
Nice Fummins, timely video
Thanks!
Love some more in-depth vid/info on the injectors
More videos to come on them
Just getting into this diesel game ,had no idea about the technology and options !!!!
Compound are a must in life. Even though a big single can be fun. I just bought a drw 6.7 I was actually surprised how peppy that he351vgt was . The he351cw was great on my 01 5.9 I read Will made some power on comp d with that turbo under a s488? Or 80.
Great job, are you going to have the powerjet nozzles for vp44 trucks?
Eventually
You should do a kit for landrover 300tdi
As the weirdo of the audience I'm impressed it has a manual shift in a Fummins. The as its awesome! I've never watched any other vids either this pickup ss I'm Ford guy with a Powerstroke but I fight get in my 6.0 so this is very interesting to me.
Thank you for the comment
I feel like I have seen one of you at Henderson Ford.
I hope you offer the compound kit for the dcs swap soon, I'd have money ready to spend as soon as it's available
Hoping soon
@@pddofficial awesome 👍
Looks like that manual was the way to go! Has Tim driven it?
Undecided on the manual Tim has not driven it yet
@@pddofficial I guess I'm always wishing auto did something different is why I say that. A well tuned and capable auto is nicer, but getting it there I haven't had luck. May take control of tuning in the future.
Would love to see what U guys can do with an ecodiesel. Especially trans options. Compound turbo vs bigger turbo set up. .. .
I love the 60/67s I have on both of my Fummins. I'm pretty curious about these new injectors.
They work great (Griffith)
Trying to finish mine now - I’m using a 2000 5.9 in an 08 f350
They work great
FSM in the house!!
Starting dyno pull at lower rpm to make turbo to spool earlier.
On the full power run we started them at the same rpm and the aggressor made peak torque 200 rpm earlier. On tuned mode griff had low end fueling limited to control smoke with the 362. It wouldn't pull through the load until higher rpm. With the aggressor it spooled easily at a lower rpm so we showed it. It is a real difference between turbos. If we tuned the truck specifically for the aggressor turbo the torque would have been even higher. That might be a fun quick follow up video!
👍
Your kill me. Just lost my 47re torque converter. And I was waiting for the black Friday sales for the twin sequential turbo set up to go on sale. Now having to flush and teardown the tyranny
Oh man! Well at least trans parts are on sale. If your gonna lose a trans this weeks a good time!
Todd
Need to cummins and manual swap my excursion
So how would the k27 compare to the aggressor 60/67 As far as egts are concerned My truck has a k27 I have orders these injectors stage 1s (will be stock dv) Will i see a drop n egts With the aggressor over the k27 u think i am towing a fifth wheel just like the fummins
The k27 is a great turbo. But this large turbine wheel in this .9ar housing with give better egt control. Also we will be designing our towing compounds around this turbo if you ever think more turbos are in your future!
Todd
I'd swear this guy is relative to Baron! But with a differnt ticker on the once 6.0 body and I want it lmao!!
They are brothers
Does Speedhut make the gauages for PDD? They look a lot like my SH gauges. If so, that's good! SH makes really good stuff.
Yes Speed Hut is the best!!
@@pddofficial they really are. I have them in my Cummins K3500. Super happy with them!
Is either of the turbos tested a split scroll? Have you guys ever played with the turbinator exhaust housing?
No neither one is. And no we have not messed with that turbo.
If you want a real challenge I have a truck nobody can figure out. 2012 dodge Cummins dually, done everything possible multiple tuners but EGT’s still will melt the truck down when towing. I have the alarm set to 1600 degrees
Oh and don’t forget also to get it to pass smog because tuning and then going back to stock to smog is a pain in the azz
Did you ever make a kit for the Cummins 12 valve powered ford???
So cool !!!!
LoL yall walked a 4th gen with a friggin 12v 😆
I think a 60/64 turbo would’ve been a better choice for towing…..
In a 12cm housing you are correct. We tried the 67 turbine in the 12cm housing and we didn't love it. But I personally like this .9 housing with the 67mm the best. It works so well!
Todd
Love the content really knowledgeable bunch
Thank you
I have a 2003 6.0 dually 4x4 crew cab and need to do something similar (whatever that looks like for the 6.0). I tow 2-3 times per week putting 2-3K miles up to 12K pounds and its normal for the old Ford to pull 1250+egt up hills. Everything stock on block save head studs, snp air box, 4" exhaust and six gun banks. Truck has great power, but way too hot!
We would recommend 155/stock injectors a sct tuner and a Kc stage 1 turbo
@@pddofficial So, keep my factory injectors, go SCT and KC stg 1? Do you sell these or have recommended place to purchase?
UPDATE: I went to your website and read through so my question is answered ty
2nd engine in 270k mile on 6.0-ohNo! I’m purchasing a 12v and going fummins. Is there a complete package like this one at PDD online?
Also is there any change/adjustment with spring or plate etc?
What transmission are you running behind that 12 valve?
Zf6
Lower the injection advance more with the larger injectors, and ever so slightly increase pilot injection volume if it has pilot, thermal efficiency will increase and engine and egt temperature will decrease
On these older p7100 pump trucks/injector combination, there is one shot of fuel and timing is static.
Dont want to spoil it, but do yall plan on running a 369, 471, an aggressor for the compounds???
More then likely a 472
472 is going to go awesome with this turbo!
Todd
@@pddofficial what one would pair with a 369 best?
Is the turbo letting out more heat or is burning more of the fuel during combustion? It's a more efficient combustion.
In theory it's cooler because it makes more boost at all loads than the 362. What's really weird is how fast egt dropped when you stop. It's crazy how quick it got down to 400 degrees when idling after towing.
Todd
@@pddofficial you guys added air and introduced fuel more efficiently. I can't say for certain if the injection changes is delivering less fuel so I assume it's the same but better atomization. Either way more air same fuel means more fuel combustion taking place in the cylinder instead of in the exhaust manifold. Which equals less smoke less heat and more power. Banks talks a lot about this in his videos.
What level power jet injectors are y’all running in that truck?
These are the stage 2
So have you dynoed the powerjets versus a 5x.016" ? wondering roughly where they lie in fuel delivery.
We have not yet but we still have a lot of testing to do
Baron
Are the powerjet nozzles the same ones you have to rebuild the injectors on your sight I believe mine are the old eight hole nozzles. The 3rd gen 24 early 04. But I'm won't know till I pull them for. Sure. I am likely going to want to pull dyno before and after I do to much to this truck. I bought it with 8700 miles but I think there was some work done on it not sure if the owner did it. Orit was a dealer demo I'm uncertain
Only way I'll know is a dyno run. I have done the exhaust but that's it. As far as I know it's all stock. 😀
First twentieth 👊🏻💪🏻
My 12V got a 369 sxe with your 650 fueling kit, What do you think the difference is if i change it out for an Aggressor HE351?
A little more power output and depending on what turbo you have on the manifold possibly quicker spool.
What would the power look like with this set up and stock pump timing? 12v nv5600 f350
Probably lose 30 to 35 HP. Gain 50 to 75 EGT
What stage power jet injectors?
stage 2
can i get All the specs on ricks truck
What's your projections on how much a compound setup would help here?
Most likely a 100-200* egt less as well as and towing hp 150 as well as a overall 200+hp gain
5 degrees cooler and you need to run your wipers, should have run the outdoor tow test a different day. The rain pulls heat out of the intercooler.
Marginally
Great video! How would this turbo tow with my 100hp ddp injectors and 24V? My current s363 is sluggish from a stop with my 5 speed.
it will work great! the turbo is set up to run in the 500 to 600 hp area and so the 100hp DDP on a vp44 truck will normally make 450 to 500 hp and so the turbo will run perfect for you
Have a mechanical 466 I turned up a little bit. Is 1200* -1300* a bad thing?
1250* is the sustained number from Cummins
@@pddofficial cool. Headed from Wyoming back to Oregon. She's getting hot up here.
Is there a similar set up for a 24v?
Injectors are in testing should be ready soon. Turbos are ready to go of course.
@@pddofficial I’ll be on the look out
I have 2007 6-0 not working my house
Can your company do this for a Ve first gen pump and injectors and turbo?
What part?
@@pddofficial the whole thing..
Improve efficiency, not just add "wasted" power.
Ive not seen an afc live for Ve pump.
what exhaust manifold are you running?
It's a factory industrial manifold from Diesel Conversion Specialists.
I heard it’s a BW 62mm charger. But I didn’t hear which one exactly. SXE? What size housing?
It was an sx with a super core now it's the modified he351.
@@pddofficial Didn't exactly answer his question not to be rude. Can you clarify exactly what turbo it was?
@@brettpatterson8641 it's an Aggressor 60/67. That turbo wasn't released at the time we replied to the comment, so a modified HE351 was the best way to explain it!
what power level injectors?
Stage 2 Powerjets!
So I have a 97 12 valve nv4500 4x4, factory lower end and factory head, factory headgasket, running 5x14's, 55 delivery valves, 215 pump @ 18° w/4k gov and a Borg K27 4" all the way back, and I get 900° F EGT'S empty @70 mph averageing 20-25 psi boost on hills maybe 10 psi on flat ground. Planning on adding a compound charger and "O" ringed head hence the bigger fuel set up. Is there a way to cool the EGT's by changing the delivery valves till I get the new set up? Just looking for ways to make it more efficient since thats the name of the game. Thanks for any input in advance.
Putting stock DV back in and see if that help until the compounds
In that set up the 5x.014 are the thing causing heat, but get the compounds on there and it will cool right down.
Baron
You guys here in Utah?
Yes Cedar City
what clutch?
Kenny's pulling
What’s the rear end gears?
3.73
possible to add hp without higher torque (300whp/600tq)?
street daily in flat Florida, Light occasional towing less than 5k
hp is just a ratio or torque so yes, but why would you want to?
@@pddofficial As High Egts kills engines, torque kills auto trans. I once owned the 03 Dodge 3500 cummins 305hp/550tq and that was plenty fast for me. So about that for my swap would be great. I want to tie a 47rh auto 4x4 non-electric tranny to my 6bt to stand alone in my box Chevy without trans tuner and not spending 5-10k on a tranny to hold up to 1k torqueI'm even making the pump shut off manual and doing away with solenoid valve.
I can only imagine that cam selection would achieve this? Any other way?
You would be making peak power at 2626rpm. That's about 500rpm higher than what you're typical 12-valve likes.
A you two look like brothers
Hmmmm.
Meyer is closer in height
I know when I meet him he's tall and flaco he's very cool too everyone is up their at power driven I didn't get to meet Todd and wheelito yea come on
@@billferris5292 I need to send Mayers a super size big Mac meal he needs to eat
Damn, y'all Body shaming me and I'm not even in the video 😂. I've got a wife that keeps me fat and happy now!
Will the Aggressor 60/62 with wastegate clear the 12 valve block with an industrial manifold (downward outlet between 4&5)? Thanks.
We would recommend the he351 to get the proper clearance.
Yes it will that is what is on this truck
@@pddofficial Thanks!
So for us that are diesel illiterate but love watching what you diesel guys are doing and wondering how 90% of you are rolling coal and acting like it's a ok and then I watching banks power and hear gale banks say if you're rolling tons of black smoke you are doing it wrong. Any explanation or clarification you can offer for myself being diesel illiterate?
Is sitting at 1200 like that ok?
Yes that is perfectly ok!