Turbo Dyno Test HX35(60mm) vs BorgWarner K27 | Power Driven Diesel
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- Опубліковано 23 бер 2021
- In this episode, Will and Todd test the Aggressor HX60/60 on PapaSaurus, the 410k mile, high mileage 12v Cummins. Will the HX35 based 60mm turbo make more power than the 58mm Borg Warner K27? Watch and see! As an added bonus, they pull the silencer ring and mess around with the air intake system to perform a "hot air intake" test. Gale Banks would be proud! #doitforGale
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This was the content I've always wanted to see, because there is so much misinformation and seat of the pants guessing on the performance of certain turbos.
Wow. Very impressed what you guys did! Love the content
Hell yeah I love this series. I've built up an h1c frame with a 60mm 6 blade and a 70x65 10 blade turbine in an hx35 wasted gated housing. I wish I could see it in this test line up
Thanks guys for doing these videos for us! I'm getting ready to me a new turbo!
I could watch this kind of stuff all day. Love it 👌🏻
Loving the dyno tests and humor.
Well at least Todd has his seat belt on so he don't fly out of the truck on the dyno🤣
Hey breaking a straps on the dyno is a hold onto your butts experience.
I laughed too :)
Yeah no i pulled a strap once not fun damn near need to pull the seat Springs out of your ass afterwards
Awesome Awesome Awesome video
Really great content this is real world testing on trucks we can afford
Thanks for putting in the effort with these videos it's very much appreciated
As always God bless and stay safe 🙋♂️🇬🇧
these are wicked vids. 👍 can’t wait to see the next one.
Very intersting content! Thanks guys! Keep up the good work!
Keep up the great work and video’s and thanks for all the info David
Great Video Guys!!! Love the comparison!!
Enjoying all the great info keep it coming.
Another awesome video guys! It’s crazy just how close your new aggressor is with the k27! I can’t wait for the next test because that’s the turbo I was planning to do.. I didn’t want to just toss a 60mm compressor wheel into my hx35 with out milling the turbine housing as well so I could run the larger turbine with the stock 12cm turbine housing of the hx35.. I feel this is a lethal combination.. small turbine housing with a larger compressor, compressor wheel, and turbine .. I’m guessing big power Gains!! Can’t wait for the next test!! 👍🏻
PS.. I loved your test with the air box pulled.. gained 2hp! Sometimes math and science doesn’t equate to the real world.. there can be huge differences between numbers on paper and numbers in the real world and that’s why I like you guys so much.. you guys are the real world!
appreciate the honest video!
You guys totally cracked me up. Love the content! Got a kick out of the clip from Gail!! May the jackassery continue
I've been wishing that somebody would do this for a few years new. Forums can have too much opinions when it comes to comparing turbos
Really puts a smile on my face when y’all disagree with Gale. Keep it up y’all 🤙🏻🤙🏻
But how often are you driving down the road with your hood open?
@@destroked3315 could be daily
Finally my computer lets me comment again. I've been watching just something weird was going on and I couldn't comment. Love these type of videos.
I hope you plan on doing the aggressor 62
I think they already do, however I think it's based on an s300.
Hahaha...do it for Dale lol
What a coole video guys 😬🤘🏻
I would love to see a out of the box bw366 comparison as well!
Please test the PDD hx super nine 60 and 62 if you can, I would like one of those for my vp44 tow rig and would like to see what rpm they spool at. Thanks for the data, I love these kind of comparisons.
Lol the gale banks was the best part 😂😂
I would like to see some of the trick wheels in the aggressor like a batmo or wicked wheel for the he351
Not that I think they are that much better but the lower mass has me interested in if they can beat the k27 in spool
be cool to see a he351cw tested against these. how does that tight exhaust side hit such big numbers?? or maybe it looks small but flows well somehow? wastegate port size helps it?
I have similar fuel, timing and 4k springs (from PDD) and SXE 362 drop in (also from PDD) would love to see what that combo makes on your dyno..
Keep it up love your vids.
Dose this mean you’re going to rethink your compound set up? Before I purchase.
Luckily the HX35 and K27 share the same footprint so with a simple bracket change, they can be interchanged in the ultimate compound turbo kit, if we find gains with the larger turbine HX Aggressor turbos in that kit. The dyno will hopefully tell the full story soon!
Excellent video, thank you! Was a follow up video made with the larger compressor wheel?
There was not the motor end up having problems and is was throwing off are testing
So did yall ever do anymore turbo testing back then? I thought you said you were going to run some other turbos on this setup but I never saw anything about it happening.
Great stuff
I'd be really interested in seeing the k27 vs the S366 in comparison
I'm not a Gayle banks fan at all but in all fairness it would be nice to compare like he's saying filtered from the engine bay vs filtered from outside the engine bay ....
I would like to see the your 62 on it.
Man I hope I win that turbo kit I needed it like yesterday!
You guys should do a video on your hx super 9!
It's coming stay tuned!
Hx35 60/67/12 next please !!!!
Just order the K27 just waiting to get it and install it
Thanks for the support!
I wonder if I could fit a 12 valve Cummins into the engine bay of an old military Hummer. That would be cool.
Problem with 1300 egts is the temp overwhelm the cooling system towing especially here in Utah.
@Sean Price nah just gonna go get a hdt
The editor is hilarious
Hi I know this is an older video I just had a question about you putting a he351 wheel on and hx 35. So you machine the compressor housing and thats it no need to machine the bearing housing? And the wheel just slides on? If so thats pretty cool and I may do that
Tell us what you REALLY think about Gale Banks! (seriously, this is going to be golden) :'D
Gale Banks is The Godfather of diesel performance. He’s held world record diesel times and numbers.
When I start seeing those same accolades about PDD? I’ll worry about what they think of Gale Banks.
@@chloehennessey6813 he has done good things but I can never forgive his selling out of diesel performance to the epa. All companies that kneeled to them should be ashamed and will get none of my business. I do not go around rolling coal but I think you are well within your rights to do so. I also believe diesel emissions equipment is the ruination of what would be a long lasting and reliable vehicle.
Chloe Hennessey when gale banks makes a 2000hp 12 valve I’ll listen to what he has to say. Guy is a chump.
@@chloehennessey6813 God father of what Diesel performance? The 1970’s-1980’s GM diesels that weren’t really a genuine diesel but more like a GM gas engine converted to diesel? If your aim or goal was to troll, good job and keep up the good work.
Gale banks sells gimmicks
You guys should do a reacts to “banks reacts to hoonigans
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Sounds like blowing up a turbo is in the near future with 1800⁰ runs
Yea 1800 is bad.
Not something unheard of at PDD though
@@Rx7man that's true they aren't afraid to show the catastrophe that comes with pushing the limits during r&d for the benefit of us to not have to blow up our stuff to learn the limits.
@@73cjproject I don't take anyone's word for that, I blow my own stuff up anyhow lol... Most recent was jumping 2 teeth instead of 1 on the VE pump truck.. it didn't like 35* of timing much!
@@Rx7man I haven't ever messed with the pump timing on my first gen. I had it rebuilt and tuned for the bigger injectors I put in it. There is more power in the pump, but it runs so good and honestly the transmission won't hold anymore power. That truck has since become the toy and going to throw an antique plate on it next year when it is eligible. Meantime I have an 05 and 08 that I use. So I still have my mechanical truck but I am a wire fire convert, dynamic timing opens up a whole world of options and likewise, problems. Lol.
How much does your fuel package effect mpg?
I want to see this next video
I watch the crap out of your turbo test videos so I can make an informative decision on what is best for my application what we need is a video on the new cheetah that fits 2nd gen 12valve P pump engines and a vid on your super 9 how about a cheetah vs super 9 vid?
Isn't the main reason you can get more power from an HE351 because it has a much better wastegate than the hx35?
Aggressor 62 next please!!!
A few things, can you guys put numbers on the screen or in the comments of the runs.
ie.
HX35 @35 psi 1300deg made 350/700
K27 @37 psi 1300 deg made 400/800
Aggressor @ 37 psi 1300 deg made 395/780
Can we get a boost plot of each turbo tested? Some Dyno's have the hook up for it.
Can we get drive pressure? Drive pressure is super important as you guys know to health of the HG, exhaust valves, turbo shaft speed and where you're at in the efficiency range of the turbo. Thanks guys. Just looking for more organized data.
I love the videos, very informative. Are you guys going to test a SX-E362 with different exhaust housings in the future?
Years ago they tested the 362 sxe with different housings. Its on their channel. .7 and .91 i think
We can definitely publish a results graphic. We are working on live boost plotting and it should be working on the next test session!
@@pddofficial awesome!! Thanks guys!!
DO THE HX-SUPER9!!!! IM LITTERALLY GONNA ORDER ONE THE DAY YOU POST THE NUMBERS! I want 550-600
I love my super 9. Mine actually has a 60x86 cast hx40 wheel. It's a really good daily / towing turbo
I too have been waiting to see them run a super 9
Which is better Jackassery or Jillassery? That's the real question.
My turbo has a tag on it and says HX35W? W?
15:33 I laughed, what is that, a school assignment for your kid?
If not, you should hook the lil one up!
What gauges are those
You guys should compare an hx40
How does the Super 9 compare to these?
Please pass on to Will:
"Yes Gloves Are a Necessity, Yes, The Toxins seep into your hands, (No Bueno) it truly is a bad deal for your well being. (We love ya Man!)
Do you think that the heat helps expand the exhaust side of the turbo it is cast iron and does expand with heat and could be helping expel the exhaust and would make less boost with more room between the wheel and housing and the hot air is less dense in the charge system which helps also but it is just a thought
I'm guessing the heat is helping close the piston to wall on the 410k mile engine lol
@@73cjproject ya probably helps make a little more compression and thinner oil in the transmission and engine
Any chance you can give exhaust manifold drive pressure readings for these tests?
We don't have a gauge hooked up yet, but maybe we could do it on future tests. I'm sure drive pressure at 3k RPM is at least 1.5x boost pressure.
@@pddofficial it would be a great way to show the efficiency of the turbine side by calculating the pressure delta. Especially with the turbos getting larger in your testing, I have personally seen over a 70hp gain from going to an S400 with a smaller compressor from an S300 due to excessive drive pressure.
We will pause the video to replace all the u joints in the driveline due to the locked converter... haha
What cc flow do you estimate you are at with this package?
Probably 375 cc's. The barrels are not racked/maxed and we did not install a rack plug... yet!
What is the black coating on the Aggressor HX35 Billet 60/64, ceramic?
Cerakote!
Gale gets a little carried away for sure but in his defense, youre intercooled, and the guys he bitches about generally arent. I can say from own experience that having a box around the filter to get cool air makes a huge difference for idle torque and under the boost. Cool vid guys, im wondering how different the he351 wheel is from the hx40?
Don't have much time personally for the money banks kicks around, but I have no doubt he could hold his own if he wanted to run old school stuff and forget epa compliance
What do I need to do to make my truck sound like this one at 25:38???
You need that old school Sonic the Hedgehog modification to achieve that level of time-space travel!
To be fair you have to close the hood to do the Gale test proper. I know for a fact that on a 2nd gen pulling thru the stock box with holes cut in it and with the thru the fender ring removed I have seen it run 50deg higher egt's versus pulling thru a stock air filter setup on a hard long pull up a hill.
Major difference with the comparison is a gas engine with higher intake air temp versus a boosted diesel engine with a higher intake air temp, the benefit to less restriction in a boosted application outweighs the loss created by 50⁰ hotter temps. Totally different behaviors between those engines.
@@73cjproject Totally false. I did the thermodynamic math and you would have to reduce the air filter restriction by 5psi to make the same power as just 25deg of cooler intake temp offers assuming you were running 30psi of boost on a 5.9. 5psi of air filter restriction would be one heck of a lot. Been 15 years since I tested it but best I recall a clean stock 2nd gen paper air filter was only about 3 psi of restriction. The change either way is only about 20hp on a 425hp engine. You raise your intake temps 50deg on a 75deg day you are going to kill your power almost 10% that is substantial.
@@bcbloc02 would love to see your data on the dyno with that. And of course their dyno test is done with the hood open because they aren't running down the road at 75-120 mph getting the proper air flow across the radiator and intercooler/ aftercooler.
@@73cjproject Know where all that hot air off the radiator and intercooler goes when you are going down the road? It all blows right over the airbox. If you trailer one of these trucks heavy you know the floorboard gets hot from all the heat getting air from out under the hood is a huge help.
@@bcbloc02 so you're saying it doesn't go into the charge air cooler that cools the air going into the engine then? Lol
Are yall still offering the 60/60? I really want to get a k27, but it's always out of stock and I can't find the 60/60, just the 62. Looking for a straight drop, slightly upgraded, turbo for a old tow truck.
we just got another pallet of K27 turbos, we have 30 on the shelf right now
@@pddofficial I just saw that ill be ordering one. THANK YOU!
22:05 Just wanted to let you guys know, you're talking over yourselves. =)
HE351 stock and 67mm exhaust
Like the video and like watching all your videos, I would like to know if you guys would take my stock hx35 off my truck and make me an a 6060 and what the cost would be. Thanks for your videos
I don't think this is the place for quotes.
60/67 or 68 kick ass.
Is it better than a he351cw?
No, but it is drop in for 2nd gen trucks unlike the 351
Is the super 9 a 351 2nd gen drop-in?
I’m saying an increase of 27 HP with the bigger turbine wheel.....
Get turbo Labs hx40 67mm
Great content. Tall guy needs to talk slower lol I had to put in my ear buds so I could understand what he was saying 😅.
What the Crip
👍... 454 Mack
This guy kind of looks related to Cletus.
👍
What the crippp
Doing a dyno run on a cold diesel is fucked up! Bring it upto trmp first!!
Non Gated
I made 495 rwhp in 2006 with a hx35/40 on a 01 5 speed 2wd with 150hp inj’s,Industrial Injection dragon Flow VP,and Edge Drag Comp on 3x5(basically an Edge EZ)......
Any higher setting on the Edge it would fuel so hard it would drop 100rwhp.
Turbo was built by Jason at Forced Inductions and I ran it for a couple of hundred thousand miles. Prob one of my favorite all around turbos.....
That’s why I bought a k27 and plan on the Power Driven Compounds!
In at 39 sec
You are first! Congrats!
Lol, I was watching at 17 sec, I just commented after watching the videos.
Love the way you guys did this. Just one point.
Don’t just say “huge power numbers”.
What might be a huge number to me won’t be the same huge number to you. I’m a turbine girl so huge power to me is 50,000 shaft HP (Navy DDGs for instance) Did the wheel do 1,000? 1,500? If we know what your products do and are capable of were more likely to buy them.
P.S
I hope Matt over at OffTheRanch calls you guys for a collaboration. He’s got that common rail he calls Earl for towing.
It would be cool to see turban, I mean turbine shaft speeds on these.. but dyno numbers are already a good start
Nobody: ~~
Monke: where 550 🐒
This is why y’all’s stuff blows up all the time. That’s so stupid running a cold engine especially on a diesel. If you had any idea about how engines work and what heat expansion is you would let it warm up. Then admitting it wasn’t a fair test because it wasn’t warmed up and saying “it apparently likes warm runs” like no sh!t I wonder why. I feel bad for your customers.
Why so spicy? To clarify, a "Cold Run" was that it had idled for a minimum of 10 minutes and had done a low 100hp pull first. By cold run we simply mean that it hadn't been heat-soaked first with a 300+ horsepower run just prior.