A Matter of the Mind-Frontline (1986)
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2019
- Written and Produced by Robert Thurber, Photographed and Edited by Jonathan Carlson, Sound by Dave Richards, for WCCO Television, Public Affairs Department; Mike Sullivan, Executive Producer. Re-edited, with narration by Will Lyman, for FRONTLINE, a production of WGBH, Boston.
"If I could help it, I wouldn't be this way." BINGO. Nobody *wants* to feel angry, paranoid, enraged, depressed or delusional for no apparent reason. But here they are.
Don't forget irritated.
And your family and friends blame you and turn their back on you while you need them the most so it's a double whammy
@@leahflower9924Family and friends support is definitely very important. But yeah, sometimes it doesn't happen. I guess it's easier to pretend mental disorders don't exist.
The lady who associated slapping with love, I can't imagine the horror of what she endured as a child, but that's an big red indication of severe childhood abuse and trauma.
That one is Nancy.
That's a big red indication*
@@kelleyannethomas5372 Nancy was separated from her family since she was 12 years old when they put her in an institution. thankfully she is somewhere safe & has people around her to visit with & to help & be there for each other, but she spends most of her time alone in her room, with her dolls.
🙏💜🕯️🌱🐾👣🌿🌎🕊️
@@Armistead_MacSkye I’m sure they meant red….flags
🚩🚩🚩but idk 😂🚩😂🚩
@@kelleyannethomas5372 Yes, read her sentence again. It's incorrect because "an" before " big."
I've been diagnosed with schizoaffective, I'm 57 now but at 27 I was working at a factory 10 hrs a day 6 days a week and wasn't disabled ever. But after my relationship, job, family started falling apart, I was left alone for a while before I lost my apartment. I felt as though the people who were out to get me were one day out to finally take my soul as well. Even though it was a daylight I felt as though no matter where I would try to get away they were everywhere no matter where I ran. Finally I went to a emergency hospital and could sense the doctor's were good especially letting me hold a bible and sit in a chair even though my thoughts of fear I could not make sense when trying to explain what I assumed was just a nervous breakdown. Watching this was inspiring for me not to give up.
Hi rob I'm 19 and went through a very similar situation.
God Bless
Hope you’re still doing good.
Don’t ever give up. Praying for you.
God bless you dear.
Newer documentaries don’t have a chance compared to the older ones
Pearl Jam. I've been looking for this for years
I heard "heyfoxymophandlemomma" when I was in the 9th or 10th grade... and it has been weirding me out until now.
Me too. Just found it today.
So unique to see archives of Frontline documentaries as these are difficult to find anywhere. Many thanks for the upload.
Yeah! It caught my attention right away!
for some reason, pbs does not make these ez to find or makes you pay to see them
they should all be public
@@thewkovacs316exactly! They are government and donation funded
@@thewkovacs316 Agreed. Their reasoning is that the times change and they're more interested in "cleansing" their past so that they can recycle content and keep up the public grift.
The insight these people have about their conditions is quite good. It saddens me that so many people suffer with mental health issues. It's like they're fighting to discern where their condition ends and where their true self begins.
Heartbreaking. God bless them
Those dolls are what makes her happy,I used stuffed animals to treat my depression 😐
I love stuff animals.
Me too. My bear is an anxious looking liyltyke guy called Dixon.
It’s so good to see when a patient expresses their reality. Like they know on some level what their problems are. God Bless them all, although they’re probably not here anymore, based on the date of the documentary 🙏
Really moving documentary. I'm here because I'm a Pearl Jam fan who was curious about track 14 on "Vitalogy".
I'm wondering whatever became of these troubled folks. Their despair is heartbreaking.
That's the reason I found the video too, so sad that they know they're not right but just can't do anything about it. The woman with tourettes who loved dancing but couldn't find a partner...if I was filming I would have played some music and asked her if she'd dance with me.
What song is it I'm so curious
@@aforest1934 Hey Foxymophandlemamathatsme. The last track off Vitalogy. It was an instrumental that EdVed put snippets of these conversations with a few of the patients over.
Particularly the woman who speaks about being spanked, and the woman who suffers from Tourette's, speaking about her love of cleaning. It's a weird but brilliant track, written by drummer Jack Irons, formerly of RHCP.
They’re AntiFa now
@@mCblue79 Interesting. I wonder if they donated any money from it. They made millions from the suicide of Jeremy Delle, and never gave his parents a dime. Not even to repair his grave, which was repeatedly vandalized by PJ fans, or to protect them from fans who trespassed on their property and harass them.
Frontline’s Broken Minds is aLso available on YT and covers Schizophrenic patients, facilities and treatments in NYC circa 1990. As is this, it’s a fascinating watch especially as a companion.
They are our fellow humans who are unwell. I noticed many get fixated on jesus. Eighter by drawing his face thousands of times relentlessly filling up copies of his face and his name. Tormented being's, some for a lifetime prison, hospitals, mostly the street's. Always beten up raped abused on the street's. Stick up for a unwell person wherever you encounter one of they need help, compassion empathy understanding and love no strings. ☘️👏
Oh my God I've been searching for this forever!!!! My mother recorded this on VHS when it aired and wanted to see it again. THANK YOU SO MUCH for uploading it
It is so true -- the futility of wanting to bring others into your "world", even for a single minute. I am bi-polar, with other "atypical" psychotic features that have complicated my life..... I am, with time, luckier then many, either way. The more pronounced or "chronic" cases should remind us, as Americans, that we are actually encouraged to turn away from that which we cannot understand. But we should never turn away from those who are alleged, by common opinion, to have failed at becoming a part of "normal" society. There is no "normal" anything in this world anymore, if ever there was. These beautiful and innocent people remind us of just how fragile, and human, we really are. Never forget: it is an artificial and sick capitalist economic order that creates, and recreates, the neglect.
Communism is worse... What Maureen said about being killed for being different..that's what socialism/communism/marxism etc. will bring. This is 30 years ago...these people are on the streets today..in CA..and cities across the nation.
Ok but like... look at the guy who is mentally Ill and pushed a woman onto the subway tracks in NYC and another guy also labeled mentally I'll in California stabbed a woman working in a store to death.. and these stories unfortunately aren't unique. Excuse me if we're not gung-ho about allowing anyone and everyone into our lives and personal spaces. It is always good, mentally ill or not, to remain cautious but especially if you don't know someone. It's just how it has to be because there are way too many ppl in this world who aren't good ppl 🤷🏻♀️ and even if it isn't their fault (technically) it doesn't make most ppl any more comfortable with having these ppl in their community and/or life
I had to move to another country to get proper health care. I'm now paying 1/10th of my original medication costs. All office visits are free. Specialist visits are something like 10 dollars. I have 3 social workers/home aides who visit me 4 times a week. One comes twice a week, and the other two come once a week. I'd be absolutely lost without them. They are the reason I can stay in my own home, with my dog and two cats. I look back at my time in the US, and know that I would never be able to have this quality of life if I had stayed there.
@@YochevedDesignsI once talked to a woman who said that getting deported back to the UK was the best thing that ever happened to her stepson with a schizophrenia diagnosis. In the US he kept ending up in jail for nonviolent crimes like sleeping on private property. In the UK he was treated and in his own apartment after three months.
@@yanifree114Why is any indictment of rampant capitalism always met with a spiel on Communism ? Do you understand that capitalism unchecked is soft slavery , at best ? No one is calling for communism . Communism is an extreme , unchecked capitalism is an extreme . There are alternatives in between . But the moment anyone brings up any of them the oligarchs of this country have successfully trained the middle class to refer to any change from soft slavery to be called communism . Its the boogeyman they use to misguide the public
Those rugs r nice♥️. They take lots of work. I crochet. Im making a scarf.
I wonder if any of these folks are still alive.
Most people who are put on heavy duty drugs like these people were on don't have a full life expectancy.
My brother was prescribed Haldol and Thorazine. He died in his early 50s. I think the average is 50 or 60.
29:12 Song 'Pearl Jam - Hey Foxymophandlemama, That's Me' starts...
38:26 "HEY FOXYMOPHANDLEMAMA, THAT'S ME!'
51:56 The end of it.
36:00 Nerve to bug me!
You finally answered a question I had for over 20 years. Thank you.
How do any of you know for certain this was who Pearl Jam was referring to? It’s obvious everyone is referring to the same thing, so why not tell me? I’m dying to know!
@@jennymisteqq5399
Eddie Vedder literally recorded this when it was showed on tv, and decided to use it for stupidmop
Pearl jam bought me here. To see the actual mop handle mamma has blown my mind. I don't know if being in a place like that was helpful... i guess it was somewhere they could be safe and not judged. Things seem very different these days
Some really lovely people. They got help and it's obviously improved their lives.
I'm surprised I just now found this! I've been watching documentaries on psychology for years!! Ty for uploading 💋❤💋
"Sometimes I cry for Mother".....so sad.
Woah!! This is really trippy for me!! "A Matter of The Mind for Frontline Airs 5/27/86." - I was born May 27th, 1986 @ 10:10am. At the time of airing my mother was likely holding newborn me in the hospital. 😃
Although many of these places were flawed, all of them were not. We have now hung so many out there with no support whatsoever, and as a result, are homeless,off their meds, and at risk. There must be some kind of middle ground. It’s nice that we still have private Psych hospitals, but insurance limits them severely, and they are extremely expensive. So, effectively, good Psychiatric care is now only for the very rich. It’s quite sad. I don’t think people truly understand that many of these patient’ families abandon them, because they fear what they do not understand. At the very least, these people need more support. Many will go off their meds wo any support. Something has to be done for the Mentally ill, so that they can receive humane treatment and support, even if they lack insurance or very wealthy benefactor.
Getting rid of all asylums was too much . There are some folk who cannot cope with community based psychiatric care .
Central manor seems like a pretty stable place, some provision like this place should always be available. I dread to imagine what would happen to these people if their care was cut in any significant way .
I worked in a residential mh unit. It was supposed to take people out of the old victorian mental hospitals that circled London and the local psych wards and support them into more independent placements. No one moved in or out when i worked there . The clients we had would be lost in a less supportive environment.
It’s sad to know that this is a senior housing complex now
Seeing how good people can become fractured, stuck somewhere aspace that lies between having a sound mind and being mentally ill. It's so unfortunate when our bodies betray us for no good reason. I feel like I know these people. It makes me cry for them. I want to have the magical power to make them well and whole. But for the grace of God go I.
I can't imagine the potential problems a person may encounter if they are compelled to yell ' n****r and stick out their tongue and have no control over it. I have to think the manager at the Dairy Queen was like ' with all sympathy , you can't hang out here and do that , ma'am
I just listened to the pearl jam song & decided to look up this video again. Apparently it's hard to find, I've been searching for years, but a different Google search and boom! Here it is. Very interesting, disturbing, strange, peculiar way the brain works in people. Chemical imbalance can make you go on a downward spiral you'll never come back from.
It was just added last month. Last year I was curious about the source of the audio and started looking around online. For years there have been fan message boards floating theories about where it came from. They were always wrong! Incorrect title and year. I finally read a description by a fan who remembered seeing the PBS program back when it came out. She included a description of a woman and her dolls. I started googling the details she typed and found a review of the episode from 1986 archived on the NY Times site that revealed the date and that it was a Frontline episode called "A matter of the Mind." So I added a post to the thread. Shortly after, someone read my post and requested the transcript from PBS that verified it was the correct show. Then a few months later, someone uploaded the video to UA-cam. Then this link was added to the Pearl Jam site where I posted in the comments section. It was some combined detective work! Here is the thread where you can read the posts (I am DangerBird): pearl-jam.fandom.com/wiki/Hey_Foxymophandlemama,_That%27s_Me_(Stupid_Mop)
@@gotoads3618 awesome, that was a lot of work.
The chemical imbalance theory was thoroughly debunked. They are lying to these poor people, pretending to cure some made up "chemical imbalance" with toxic drugs.
What an amazing room!
I like Rick, Mike & Nancy alot!! They are the most insightful regarding their illnesses.
Thank you so much for uploading this Jon . Please upload more old documentaries if you possibly can .
Bless.
I’m fascinated by this repackaging of the FRONTLINE documentary called “Matters of the Mind”…or vice versa🤔
These people know themselves and understand themselves better than most
Would these folks all be homeless today? 😢
I'm still harping on this guy speaking to the subjects .there no way you could convince me he cares about anything .
SOME MENTAL ILLNESS IS VISABLE, OBSERVABLE, APPARENT, SOME IS HIDDEN
UNDERNEATH, AND APPEARS ONLY WHEN IT'S BROUGHT OUT IN A RAGE.
THEN ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE.
The kid is pretty good at the pool table lolol
OMG That countdown in the beginning!! The most 1980's thing ever.
Hey Foxymophandlemama, that's me.
Janet breaks my heart. Wish I could talk to her
Sadly, it's not much better today. Even with the newer medications,
I wonder why people with Teret's blurt out profanity rather than any other word
A lot of these individuals are in their 60 70s any updates would love to see how messed up life has been to these people especially a lot of these places were closed that housed some of the people.
Lithium is awful. Destruction of my mother's kidneys.
FYI - a wonderful TV Doc on the infamous Central Manor and the state of mental health services circa late 1980’s - mid 1990’s.
I wonder where they are now
Good question. The programme makers haven't, to m knowledge, made a follow up to this and the building its set in was sold a couple of years after this programme came out, so one would wonder what became of the residents here.
I have struggled my entire life . Now I watch my children fighting the same battle . I have mental illness but that all arose from previously undiagnosed Autism . I am high functioning within the spectrum which to the untrained eye looks just like an underachiever . So my self esteem has always been in the toilet. My struggles with self worth have been expressed in three nervous breakdowns that shreedded my nervous and immune systems . The good news is that I have been able to see my kids avoid my struggles as people are much more aware of Autism .
Thanks for uploaden!!
Just tell them thats my food in the fridge.. buy your own.
Pearl Jam, Vitalogy.
Hey Foxymophandlemama that’s me😲
Artane is given to combat side effects of some of these medications.
On a lighter note, look through out this how socially acceptable it was back in the 80s or even into the 90s it was indoors. Not anymore, not at all.
@5:45 “This method does not work.”
Soon we’ll see alot of traumatic brain injuries from abuse and others causes are misdiagnosed
So, where are they now? Surely some family members are out there watching this video. I think a lot of us genuinely feel for these people and want to know how the next 40 (?) years of their lives went.
It seems that offering skills building classes or a group situation in addition to medication might be more optimistic for them. There are some techniques for keeping the distraction and intrusive thoughts under control for periods.
13:52 the nicotine stain’s on that lady’s fingers. So sad
My Grandfather smoked unfiltered cigarettes one after another and his fingers were this yellowish brown . Its one of those definitive memories I had of him . He lived to 88 years old in a sorry state for the last 20 years . He was a tough old guy .
To abandon a child because of mental health is pathetic. There should be no stigma whatsoever.
Not everyone can help them .
*mental illness, the opposite of mental health
@15:08 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
So did you post this because they mention St Paul?! Lol - Love me some Mpls/St Paul stuff!!!
@8:05 id never get well for her... bring back Jordache jeans!
@39:26 lmao!
Trying to find this institute now but cant. What happened to it
Reagan closed it when he decided mental health care was an "entitlement."
I had to move to another country to get proper health care. I'm now paying 1/10th of my original medication costs. All office visits are free. Specialist visits are something like 10 dollars. I have 3 social workers/home aides who visit me 4 times a week. One comes twice a week, and the other two come once a week. I'd be absolutely lost without them. They are the reason I can stay in my own home, with my dog and two cats. I look back at my time in the US, and know that I would never be able to have this quality of life if I had stayed there.
ETA: Because I'm classified as disabled, I get a really significant rent subsidy, too.
I'm looking for more Frontline and Nova from the 80's and 90's. Can anyone help?
@22:39 it's oK to be mad. just not here .what does that mean . She called it right . She may be mentally il.l but she's not stupid .
Where was this filmed?
St. Paul, Minnesota, apparently. . . 198-. . . .
That ending was bleak af.
Pearl jam bought me here.
They are the best😁
This is gonna bring me to Pearl Jam
So sad...
aktion T4....2.0
2:50 all of those dolls are worth tens of thousands of dollars today lol
Those dolls are her world and are more important than $$$$$👍🙏❤️
@@michaelbaldwin5495 She has a keen eye for investment. :-)
The first female with a small mouth has the male version of autism. I too have a small mouth but have the female type. It's the opposite depending on sex to know which type for Aspies. The female type goes undiagnosed. Few understand this despite its simplicity.
What is NORMAL society has a lot to answer
Pearl Jam's Stupid Mop
No matter what you are GOD 🙏 make you as unique and masterpiece
Pearl Jam
That's me
Foxymophandlemama! So now I know that the voices on the Pearl Jam Vitalogy track were a composite of three different women. The 'mop lady' is Janet, the 'spanking lady' is Nancy and the "stupid people over there" who "bug me" lady is Maureen. I also learned that in the 1980s, mental illness was rare and steps were taken to treat it. Today it is common because it is encouraged and cultivated. I am not making a joke. People aren't put in a halfway house now. They watch FOX News in their living rooms, they are fitted for MAGA hats and they form communities online where their mental illnesses become normalized. Hate crimes are exploding all over the land and gun laws are looser than ever. Sweet Lord, we are doomed.
This is literally the most stupid thing I have read. Honestly, you belong in a mental institution of you believe people with red hats are all mentally disturbed. You have been brainwashed by the RE-gressive left. Continue putting Americans in nice little buckets. Fit the mold, follow the status quo.
@@fig5611 Pearl Jam feels the same way as I do. Why not go watch some Ted Nugent videos or TV shows starring Chachi if you hate us so much?
@@gotoads3618 Continue being a SHEEP. This is the true personality trait of a person who is WEAK minded and has no opinion of their OWN. BRAINWASHED till the end. I guess it's true what they say...ignorance is truly bliss.
@@fig5611 are you insane? You are a Pearl Jam fan and you talk this way? Hahaha. You are too much!
fig5611 Please go back to your hole